Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to fifty four,
Speaker 1: episode three of production of I Heart Radio. It's a
Speaker 1: podcast where we take a deep dive into America's share consciousness.
Speaker 1: And it is Wednesday, September four, two, Yes, Miles, Birthday
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Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, look it's sometimes because I'm getting older,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know what that is. Adam Sandler,
Speaker 1: the guy from Huby Halloween. That's the only thing I'm
Speaker 1: familiar with him. I don't Oh he did other things
Speaker 1: before that. Huh. Yeah, I'm I'm nineteen, so I think
Speaker 1: I follow one of his kids on Twitter. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay. Anyways,
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Speaker 1: of her body around with bated breath. I'm just following
Speaker 1: everyone on Twitter being like my mom's surgery got canceled. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is that soft power. We might get
Speaker 1: into that today. No, it's just it's just they're just
Speaker 1: they're just like they're a concept, massive, amazing truly. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I'm throwed to be joined as always by my co host,
Speaker 1: Mr Miles grad. Oh it's Miles Gray a K eight wa.
Speaker 1: Actually we find the key. When my whole life spending wait, oh, like,
Speaker 1: let me just actually let me let me find the
Speaker 1: key right here, let me need my pitch pipe. Okay,
Speaker 1: when my whole life spending money stolen from the pool
Speaker 1: decades of ascension, I'm without a job no more. Now
Speaker 1: I get to sit on the prone. Now, look, get
Speaker 1: all this ship out. Mommy always said that I get
Speaker 1: to big king someday. Now all of my subjects have
Speaker 1: to do whatever I say. Now I get to sit
Speaker 1: on the throne. Bring me stoling ancient bones, all right,
Speaker 1: Shout out to King Charles Cavalier or whatever you call yourself. Bro, Bro,
Speaker 1: you're there. That's all I think of whenever I hear him,
Speaker 1: Whenever they say King Charles, and my mind to go
Speaker 1: King Charles Kavlier. Oh yeah, I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 1: Charles the third, he's ruining a great dog breed exactly Anyways,
Speaker 1: Miles Weird thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: by most of the new podcast. When the people decide
Speaker 1: it is Jenna Spinelli, Oh, thank you both. I am
Speaker 1: so excited to be here. I hope I don't have
Speaker 1: to sing. Oh, I could not follow either of those
Speaker 1: love in the love in the early odds vibes on
Speaker 1: the show already. Login's voice is a little hard to do. Oh,
Speaker 1: shout out, wopple House. That was That was Christie. I
Speaker 1: was people. People don't know. The street continues when it's
Speaker 1: that on point, and it's a it's that on point,
Speaker 1: both timely and the lyrical. The words are all right
Speaker 1: on beat. I gotta guess it's a yamagoch special. Shut up,
Speaker 1: big Willie. H Jenna, where are you coming to us
Speaker 1: from State College, Pennsylvania? Happy, Happy miney Lions? Huh indeed?
Speaker 1: Oh man? Do you go to the sporting events, the
Speaker 1: football or do you just kind of is that like
Speaker 1: a monsoon season that passes by your window mostly? I
Speaker 1: mean literally, I could see the stadium from my house,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it mostly does pass by my window. But
Speaker 1: I was in the marching band for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: and I was an undergrad, but I would come home
Speaker 1: and like barely even know if we want or not
Speaker 1: or what the score was. So yeah, not not the
Speaker 1: world's biggest football fan. Saxophone Okay, yes, okay, just got
Speaker 1: to make sure I think I might. I think the
Speaker 1: hand line from like the next strap like just went away,
Speaker 1: like yeah, from those summer like grind sessions before that was.
Speaker 1: I played in Bantu and I hated when like that
Speaker 1: right before the school year starts. It's the football team
Speaker 1: and the band who are like, damn, we're at school
Speaker 1: before the ship he starts. Anyway, but laser saxophone tan
Speaker 1: line removal? Did you have to get that? Or where
Speaker 1: were you know? I mean no, I I wish I
Speaker 1: would have thought about that, which previously would have would
Speaker 1: have thought about that. Or you like mask your skin
Speaker 1: off very specifically with sunscreen so you can you're just
Speaker 1: accurately filled back in where yeah, make it looks like
Speaker 1: a bathing suit tan line. Yeah, yeah, I get some
Speaker 1: like convoluted like harness thing. Right. Amazing. Well, we're thrilled
Speaker 1: to have you here. We're excited to talk to you
Speaker 1: about ballot referendums and your your new show We're gonna
Speaker 1: get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're
Speaker 1: talking about. We're going to talk about about referendum Michigan's
Speaker 1: about referendum and the importance of text earning yes, among
Speaker 1: among many other things. But it apparently could mean the
Speaker 1: difference between having rights or not depending on how someone
Speaker 1: chooses to litigate that. Yeah, bad faith arguments from the Republicans, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I know nobody saw coming. We're gonna talk about Hannity,
Speaker 1: how he's dealing with the many legal challenges to his
Speaker 1: god Emperor. We're going to talk about the soft power
Speaker 1: of the mainstream media expecting us to give a shit
Speaker 1: about the Queen's death. We're going to talk about the
Speaker 1: mt A kind of going back on all COVID precautions
Speaker 1: and just being liked whatever if you do. You this
Speaker 1: is fun. This is really disconcerting. Yeah, So all of
Speaker 1: that plenty more. But first, Jenna, we like to ask
Speaker 1: our guests, what is something from your search history? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So my search history reveals that, although I love to write,
Speaker 1: I can't spell to save my life. I often words
Speaker 1: like initiative, and bureaucracy and entrepreneurship that I often have
Speaker 1: to write for my job. You know, autocorrect doesn't even
Speaker 1: get them. Sometimes I'm so far off, so I'm like
Speaker 1: googling words to make sure I spell them correctly. So
Speaker 1: why I love podcasting. Can write all you want, and uh,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's spelled correctly. You're not. It's
Speaker 1: all you have to it's only you that's used your script. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say I've gotten better at spelling in my
Speaker 1: old age. For somehow, I think just like the sheer
Speaker 1: repetition of getting corrected by by spell like I had given,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I'm never gonna like be able
Speaker 1: to spell I've never been able to spell bureaucracy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then like just via being told that I was
Speaker 1: spelling it wrong over and over again, I am the
Speaker 1: proud owner of a knowledge of how to spell bureaucracy.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think a word also might have helped.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm killer at spelling very short words. I've
Speaker 1: I just I think I'm kind of the same, but
Speaker 1: I just more devices of how I pronounced the spelling.
Speaker 1: Like like I'm like, like when you said initiative, I
Speaker 1: go yeah, and then when you said bureaucracy, I say
Speaker 1: bury Chrissy. Well that is like the edits on this
Speaker 1: show are super intended. Shoutout to super producer Justin because yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: my Miles pronounced like, can you say restaurant again? I
Speaker 1: mean rest Tower Ran. Yeah, that's like, honestly how I
Speaker 1: would get like because something if I go, I would
Speaker 1: always go phonetically by my ear and I would always
Speaker 1: just like end up missing a letter. And then I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, you gotta let's really drill down with
Speaker 1: these words and just saying how you like, be a
Speaker 1: beautiful you are be a beuty. But that's how That's
Speaker 1: what I say in my as I type, I'm like,
Speaker 1: and you are be a beautiful, Like that's how I
Speaker 1: spelling misspelling ship doesn't Like, that's not a thing that
Speaker 1: really ever reaches an audience. But the thing I feel
Speaker 1: like the new embarrassment is that we like mispronounced words
Speaker 1: that we've just been reading in our head incorrectly for decades.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's always rough. You know, I have
Speaker 1: hope now after Jack, after hearing that spelling, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: a very young person, and uh and Miles I'm never
Speaker 1: going to think of those words the same way again.
Speaker 1: I'm always going to go with the don't don't trick
Speaker 1: yourself saying it right, just go with what it looks
Speaker 1: in ititi in indiative. You know, I wish I would
Speaker 1: have known that before I made eight episodes all about ballet.
Speaker 1: Would have made my life so much easier. Where were
Speaker 1: you six months? Are okay with referendum? Though? Yeah? Actually okay? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a little bit. That's that you can wrap
Speaker 1: your around that one. You don't just like words are weird,
Speaker 1: you just stop using it, like ballot referendums. That's so
Speaker 1: much easier. What is something you think is an over rage?
Speaker 1: I would have to say getting on an airplane earlier,
Speaker 1: like being the first to board an airplane. I know
Speaker 1: some people might disagree for like overhead bin space, but
Speaker 1: I do not want to spend any more time on
Speaker 1: the plane than I have to, especially because I feel
Speaker 1: like you, especially recently, like there's been so many horror
Speaker 1: stories of like, oh we're sitting there for six hours
Speaker 1: at the gate before we take off and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So why had any more misery to that than you
Speaker 1: have to? So what's your what's your how does your
Speaker 1: timing work? Like do you You're like, fuck it, I'll
Speaker 1: be in group funk out of here at the end.
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like I don't like what's your what's
Speaker 1: your methodology to ensure that? Like if you are if
Speaker 1: you're an early group, you're like, you know, I'll go
Speaker 1: with everybody else at the end. Yeah, sometimes I'll do that.
Speaker 1: And it's also like, so we have a really small
Speaker 1: air ports in my town, and so it's like there
Speaker 1: are like the planes are so small that your bag
Speaker 1: doesn't fit in the overhead anyway, so everybody always has
Speaker 1: to like check it plane side, and so I'm just
Speaker 1: kind of used to that. But yeah, I just kind
Speaker 1: of hang out the gate. It's it's fun to like
Speaker 1: watch everybody like jockeying to get you know, their premiere
Speaker 1: status points whatever, you know, just like watch all that
Speaker 1: unfold at the game's like it's like the equivalent of
Speaker 1: people like dudes in the key, like when a free
Speaker 1: throws about to beat and they're like, hold on, let me,
Speaker 1: I'm about to get my box out, Like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the little arm thing they do where they put their
Speaker 1: arm on top of each other. I like to do
Speaker 1: that with a stranger if I'm makes them on a plane,
Speaker 1: just like put my arm above theirs, just to make
Speaker 1: sure they know who's who's boss. And you're like, well
Speaker 1: group are you and they're like hey, You're like oh
Speaker 1: my okay, my bad. Yeah, I like to I like
Speaker 1: to get in there early, you know, fill up all
Speaker 1: the overhead space with just every everything I have with me,
Speaker 1: and then just to stab likesh a very wide stance
Speaker 1: in my in the taking your jacket out of your bag.
Speaker 1: I definitely like I I now, especially with like mask
Speaker 1: off plane like riding, I'm like, yeah, I'll go. I'll
Speaker 1: take as a few breaths in there as I need
Speaker 1: to now. But in the before times, when bin space
Speaker 1: was at a premium, I was fucking shameless, like Jenna
Speaker 1: I would. I will command my way onto like and
Speaker 1: if we have any armed forces, people in the military,
Speaker 1: active duty, I'm like, yeah, right here, okay, Like i
Speaker 1: gotta get in here, bro. I see everybody got a
Speaker 1: bag and I'm not checking that ship. I will steal
Speaker 1: some valor. You're like counting the rollie bags like people
Speaker 1: card County done that. We're in trouble. We're in trouble here.
Speaker 1: I've never done that. Oh I have. I well, not
Speaker 1: like that, you know, sort of precise, but I am like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't like these ratios. Do you have you ever
Speaker 1: met people who are such professional travelers, like they're like
Speaker 1: George Clooney in up in the air, Like they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like this flight because it flies in seven from
Speaker 1: like this year, and like those are actually really good
Speaker 1: and like you just want to sit in business class
Speaker 1: and it is usually like like business people who travel
Speaker 1: for business a lot, and yeah, you gotta know what
Speaker 1: the configuration is up there. Yeah, yeah to too. It's
Speaker 1: a surprise. Every time I got on a plane, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: it's a big one. Wow it goes up in the air,
Speaker 1: and yeah, that's that's the surprise. I look at the
Speaker 1: people around me, I'm like, what, oh my god, are
Speaker 1: you going? Yeah, I've never been on one of these
Speaker 1: buses before. What is something you think is underrated? Local news?
Speaker 1: This is like the soap fuck the other soapbox I
Speaker 1: have besides ballot measures is people knowing and following and
Speaker 1: subscribing to their local news, Like whatever is happening in
Speaker 1: your city, your town, whatever I can guarantee you is
Speaker 1: probably far more consequential to your daily life than like
Speaker 1: some congress person from a state you don't live in,
Speaker 1: and like what they're tweeting about. Yeah, that's fine to
Speaker 1: look at that stuff. That's that's great. I do it too,
Speaker 1: But try to try to balance your reality. How are
Speaker 1: you following the local news, because so Los Angeles local news. Like,
Speaker 1: when I hear local news, I'm picturing, you know, a
Speaker 1: person with a lot of hairspray in their hair reading, Yeah,
Speaker 1: talking to me about violent crimes that have happened in
Speaker 1: my town. And then according to my friend the cop,
Speaker 1: he said, it's really bad and we shouldn't really delve
Speaker 1: into that statement much more. Yeah, it's really bad out there, folks.
Speaker 1: And then and then you know, a puppy or something
Speaker 1: at the end to keep keeping feel good story, maybe
Speaker 1: who like turns a hundred or something like that. So
Speaker 1: you're saying that is the best thing for us to be. No, well,
Speaker 1: that has its place, but no, I like, I'll recommend
Speaker 1: to organizations. UM One is called the Institute for Nonprofit News.
Speaker 1: It's a listing of like new like mostly online nonprofit
Speaker 1: news sites. And the other one is called lying publishers.
Speaker 1: That's also like a directory of local news startups across
Speaker 1: the country, So they're in big cities, rural community suburbs.
Speaker 1: Like people are starting these things up like crazy. So
Speaker 1: that's exciting to see. And which one of these does
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos? Yes, I mean yeah, and how can I
Speaker 1: trust it? I want him? So these like nonprofits are
Speaker 1: like coming in and filling the void of all the
Speaker 1: you know, local papers and just outlets that were shut
Speaker 1: down by corporations or TV stations that are all like
Speaker 1: all three of the TV stations in my market are
Speaker 1: all owned by Sinclair Broadcasting. Yeah, and every every anchor
Speaker 1: is giving some same version of like a op ed
Speaker 1: that was forced down their neck hours before a yeah
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, that's that's good that people are actually
Speaker 1: like filling that gap, because it does feel like Facebook
Speaker 1: is the way that a lot of people have filled
Speaker 1: that gap. And and then you know those neighborhood apps
Speaker 1: that are just like the store and like, yeah, they
Speaker 1: weren't white. I'm scared this This person's car was loud.
Speaker 1: I think it rattled my window. Should I call police? Yeah? Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about some of the stories and we're back and
Speaker 1: let's talk about this Michigan. Michigan ballot referendum. Three words
Speaker 1: that I can spell and the importance of text Kerning. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: ballot initiatives, referendums, they've got a lot of attention, especially
Speaker 1: since the Dab's decision, because you know, it's the process
Speaker 1: that allows the voters to propose new laws if you
Speaker 1: get enough signatures saying like hey, I got this idea,
Speaker 1: there's enough support from the voting from the voting populace,
Speaker 1: but now let's create initiative to vote this in and
Speaker 1: say have the people have their say. We've seen this
Speaker 1: work in a couple of ways. Sometimes it's for the
Speaker 1: good of like working people. Other times it's like uber
Speaker 1: being like hey man, we're chill and like look at
Speaker 1: these people we put up to saying that like we're
Speaker 1: a good company, and we'll pretend it's them putting this
Speaker 1: together rather than us. The corporations that are exploiting drivers
Speaker 1: put this ballot initiative together. They spent million dollars like yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit here and there away. Yeah, and currently
Speaker 1: in the US or in California that is pitting local
Speaker 1: indigenous tribes against draft Kings, and like it's like the yeah,
Speaker 1: every NFL game has ads that are like, hey, come on, bro,
Speaker 1: you want to bet like your friends and other states
Speaker 1: sucks that you can't. Well now you can thanks to
Speaker 1: Draft Kings. And then like a very you know, straightforward
Speaker 1: ad being like, hey, this really fucks us, and like
Speaker 1: you've already been sucking us for so long, so could
Speaker 1: you not Yeah, well you can use the fucking apt
Speaker 1: to vote on Aaron Rodgers. Okay, no things, but yeah,
Speaker 1: this has been like it's been part of the political
Speaker 1: discussion for a minute. And in Kansas we saw, you
Speaker 1: know this, the like ballot referendum deployed a new, very
Speaker 1: cynical way because Republicans in the state proposed this constitution,
Speaker 1: the amendment that said the right to an right to
Speaker 1: an abortion is not enshrined in our fancy state papers constitution,
Speaker 1: and if we vote this in, we can say that
Speaker 1: it doesn't have no one has this right. And they
Speaker 1: thought that they would have a voter turnout advantage. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: they didn't factor in the idea that this is just
Speaker 1: really like not palatable for people who care about their
Speaker 1: fucking rights. So, uh, they tried to sneak it through,
Speaker 1: but oh they lose one, and it was a huge
Speaker 1: win for securing healthcare for people in Kansas and the
Speaker 1: surrounding states where people do not have safe access. So
Speaker 1: it's like it's also these results that have the GOP
Speaker 1: realizing how unpopular their policies of forced birth are. So
Speaker 1: it makes sense that giving people a reason to vote
Speaker 1: to secure health care for people would be a terrifying
Speaker 1: prospect for them. That's one of the reasons why Lindsay
Speaker 1: Graham is trying to get ahead of it and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm proposing a federal ban at fifteen. We'll get to
Speaker 1: that later because talk about not being able to read
Speaker 1: the room. So this is where Michigan comes in the state.
Speaker 1: Is he balanced in terms of like their political representation
Speaker 1: right Democrat governor GOP state legislature, The congressional reps are
Speaker 1: split split pretty evenly between both parties. They voted Obama
Speaker 1: twice Trump in like they're just it's it's a good
Speaker 1: sort of bell Weather. I guess to see like where
Speaker 1: the middle of that like curve is in terms of
Speaker 1: support for safe access for abortion care and voters are
Speaker 1: able to get a referendum on the ballot that would
Speaker 1: enshrine abortion rights up until fetal viability. So they were
Speaker 1: able to get seven hundred fifty thousand fucking signatures for
Speaker 1: this thing. You only need four thousand in Michigan to
Speaker 1: get something on the ballot, so a good indicator of
Speaker 1: the kind of support for this. And this has made
Speaker 1: the anti abortion crowd very nervous, and they did their
Speaker 1: best to try and get it taken off the ballot because, drumroll, please,
Speaker 1: the text was too close together, so no one knows
Speaker 1: what this referendum even means. Guy, And they described this
Speaker 1: very legible text or this bill as being quote groupings
Speaker 1: of letters that are found in no dictionary and are
Speaker 1: incapable of having any meaning. So please take this off
Speaker 1: the ballot. And they kind of got the request, but
Speaker 1: then it went to the Supreme Court and Supreme Court's like,
Speaker 1: no funk out of here, put that ship back on,
Speaker 1: Like that was such a such as wack as reason
Speaker 1: to have this taken off. So if you look, there's
Speaker 1: a sort of excerpt from the bill, and look, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. We're looking at like the text is
Speaker 1: the letters are funking so close together it is wild,
Speaker 1: but not to the point where I go, yeah, like
Speaker 1: there's a whole very legible paragraph explaining like what what
Speaker 1: the initiative is, and then like three lines down there's
Speaker 1: one that has like sort of a weird thing happening
Speaker 1: where they've tried to cramp too many words onto the
Speaker 1: same line and end. It's a mess, but you know,
Speaker 1: bad curning, but probably does not invalidate anybody voting for this.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone was like thrown off, like I'm
Speaker 1: just voting for Google. That's yeah, that's kind of my
Speaker 1: thing that I'm passionate about. Giving me off with this
Speaker 1: ninth line here, so waiting. There's also like a voter
Speaker 1: guide that goes out to people, And I have a
Speaker 1: friend who was just in Michigan on vacation and he
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I mean this is everywhere. You can't
Speaker 1: like drive down the road in Michigan or turn on
Speaker 1: the TV or anything without seeing this. So yeah, if
Speaker 1: you are relying on this one particular block of text
Speaker 1: is your sole source of information, I find that a
Speaker 1: little hard to believe. Right, where does your passion for
Speaker 1: kind of talking about bout initiatives and referendums, Like what
Speaker 1: what what is your interest in them? Because I think
Speaker 1: I'm mostly familiar with them for from things like uber
Speaker 1: like forcing something through or something like that. Yeah, yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I mean I I really like that it gives like
Speaker 1: everyday people a voice in politics. Now, as you said,
Speaker 1: like that doesn't all aways happen and there you know,
Speaker 1: the tool itself is doesn't discriminate that way as to
Speaker 1: like who can use it. But I think that in
Speaker 1: situations where the legislature is disinclined to act, but there
Speaker 1: is something that has broad public support, like we've seen
Speaker 1: with you know, marijuana legalization, minimum wage, expanding voting rights
Speaker 1: and now you know, reproductive rights, it it seems like, um,
Speaker 1: I just love that. Like it's not about like Team
Speaker 1: Read and Team Blue, or like this candidate and that
Speaker 1: candidate or just a lot of the tropes that tend
Speaker 1: to dominate our politics. It's like people out there like
Speaker 1: doing stuff and actually like fighting for the Chaine that
Speaker 1: they want to see and building new coalitions in the process. Right,
Speaker 1: Because it's never stuff like we think we should actually
Speaker 1: have some red redistricting going on that will help Democrats.
Speaker 1: That's my ballot, And like my proposal. No, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: it really is just like you know, like with like
Speaker 1: a lot of people are looking at this referendum in
Speaker 1: Michigan right because both parties are very anxious to see
Speaker 1: the results of this and kind of understand where the
Speaker 1: country is on this, even though the polling is very
Speaker 1: clear on where most people are. But it's just also
Speaker 1: you know, it also allows for our leaders to just
Speaker 1: kind of sit back and not do the right thing
Speaker 1: that is obvious and be like, well, let's wait for
Speaker 1: this so then we can try and triangulate, which is
Speaker 1: why I think sometimes like these ballot initiatives do help.
Speaker 1: Like people say, we're way ahead of you, so you
Speaker 1: know what, maybe we just need to maybe we need
Speaker 1: to do something to sort of have a catalyst for
Speaker 1: the kind of reforms we're looking for. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think we we're definitely seeing that now because the other
Speaker 1: big thing on the ballot this fall are you know,
Speaker 1: several states, particularly like states with Republican legislatures, are trying
Speaker 1: to make it harder for people to use the initiative,
Speaker 1: like they're upping the signature requirements, they're changing the number
Speaker 1: of votes it needs to pass, and so they're trying
Speaker 1: to like crack down on this because it has been
Speaker 1: used to pass you know what what can might be
Speaker 1: seen as as progressive. I'm pointing out an air quotes
Speaker 1: policies of minimum wage, medicaid expansion. So they're trying to
Speaker 1: take back some of that power that they feel. They
Speaker 1: fust has it been used to like institute higher minimum
Speaker 1: wage and think, oh it has. Yeah, Medicaid expansion passed
Speaker 1: in Idaho, minimum wage passed in Florida, and I believe
Speaker 1: one or two other states. Yeah, these things kind of
Speaker 1: catch on and it has teeth like that changes too,
Speaker 1: like that causes That's that's great, well, and that's why
Speaker 1: it's so dangerous, right because you can enshrine these things
Speaker 1: into law, and then on the other side you can
Speaker 1: have cynical, wealthy groups of people or industries be like
Speaker 1: what if we don't use clean energy, you know, and
Speaker 1: like and what if we wear this in a very
Speaker 1: confusing way. That's also kind of the insidious thing about
Speaker 1: them attacking the Kurning and how confusing the like writing
Speaker 1: on three of the lines is that the way that
Speaker 1: the Ubers and you know, the Republicans and Kansas try
Speaker 1: to convince people to vote their ways by making it
Speaker 1: extra confusing, Like some of the California ballot initiatives that
Speaker 1: I've voted on since living here are you know, just
Speaker 1: triple negative, like just a mess, and you really, you know,
Speaker 1: you do need that voter guide to tell you what
Speaker 1: what's what? Yeah, it's like like verbal jerrymandering or something
Speaker 1: like kind that in written form. Yeah, And it's always
Speaker 1: like when I when I was doing a lot of
Speaker 1: ballot initiative stuff in California and my political days, I
Speaker 1: remember very like when I first started, like and I
Speaker 1: was very naive and optimistic and I was like, what
Speaker 1: about this? But they say it's bad and like one
Speaker 1: of these like surly like grizzled, like you know campaign veterans,
Speaker 1: like look at the fucking print at the end of
Speaker 1: the ad define print that says paid for by. It's
Speaker 1: probably gonna have some weird name him, but it's going
Speaker 1: to be pretty clear who they sighed with there, and
Speaker 1: then you can get an idea of who this helps.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, thank you, thank you. And
Speaker 1: also even then I need to scratch paper to keep track,
Speaker 1: and they're saying no on this, so they mean yes,
Speaker 1: on marijuana cage. But what also reveals how underhanded you
Speaker 1: can be when you have a ton of money, you
Speaker 1: can just create these like sham advocacy groups. Like in Michigan,
Speaker 1: they the group that was going or trying to repeal
Speaker 1: this ballot referendum was called Citizens to Support Michigan Women
Speaker 1: and Children. And you're like, that's what that does. But then, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess that's what my question. Is there a bias
Speaker 1: towards lay masses, Like has there been a bias towards
Speaker 1: like the bad guys to this point or is it
Speaker 1: just like the big famous cases from the last few
Speaker 1: years have been used for bad purposes. That's you know,
Speaker 1: I think like any political tool, there's there's there's both
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, yeah, And it is hard to get
Speaker 1: these things repealed in in some cases, especially if it's
Speaker 1: something that the legislature and the courts want to keep,
Speaker 1: like we in the in the series. One of the
Speaker 1: episodes is about three Strikes in California, Like that was
Speaker 1: an ball measure pass in the nineties and they've been
Speaker 1: trying to get rid of it ever since. There's something
Speaker 1: on the ballot this year. There's something else planned for
Speaker 1: twenty four, like they're still trying to reform it or
Speaker 1: hopefully get rid of it all together. Yeah, and you know, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Lindsey Graham is out here talking about now he's not
Speaker 1: talking about he is saying he's going to introduce a
Speaker 1: federal abortion band bill when Republicans take the Senate, and
Speaker 1: most people are like, have you not heard how fucking
Speaker 1: unpopular that staying, I don't what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: But since most decisions at the highest levels are made
Speaker 1: by dudes, so that think they are not intergalactic levels
Speaker 1: of out of touch, they believe that this bill helps
Speaker 1: the GOP. And what they're doing, what they insist on,
Speaker 1: is that they're operating from this framework that they believe it.
Speaker 1: It's like by us saying we want a fifteen week band,
Speaker 1: we're gonna sort of we're going to show how we
Speaker 1: counter the Democrats rat quote unquote radical policies of the
Speaker 1: always used words like late term abortions or abortion on
Speaker 1: demand to try and be like they'll do anything. They
Speaker 1: don't care about anybody, and they fail to recognize that
Speaker 1: their stance is basically, you don't have say over your
Speaker 1: own body. And there's really no way to lighten that up,
Speaker 1: but and I think it was Axios. They were saying, quote,
Speaker 1: Graham's bill is designed to present Republicans as being more
Speaker 1: mainstream on abortion by pushing a partial band over either
Speaker 1: a full band or what they characterize as democrats quote
Speaker 1: abortion on demand position. So they're like, hey, we're fine,
Speaker 1: this a little bit of a band, Like we're not monsters,
Speaker 1: wink wink wink. We are Okay, We're um and that's
Speaker 1: this is all just it's all tactical, just piecemeal ship
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, what they want
Speaker 1: is a total band. Yeah, so hopefully I mean that.
Speaker 1: It seems like that's a bad strategy, like a bad
Speaker 1: by him. So well he he looks so nervous at
Speaker 1: this press conference. He was like yeah. They're like, have
Speaker 1: you talked to Mitch McConnell about this fam And he's like,
Speaker 1: I talked to these ladies, these ladies behind me about it,
Speaker 1: and they were like, yeah, yeah, we talked to him.
Speaker 1: It was like very odd. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: But it's again not a good look. But like we see,
Speaker 1: like time and again, like the decisions that are made
Speaker 1: by politicians, like on either side, like people failed to
Speaker 1: realize how fucking out of touch they really are, and
Speaker 1: they're like up and this is great, and people like
Speaker 1: you just said the Dobbs decision was good because it
Speaker 1: allowed states to make this decision. Now you're pushing for
Speaker 1: a federal band. He's like, well, the Democrats wanted to.
Speaker 1: I think, he said, the Democrats are defining who they
Speaker 1: are with their bill, So we're defining who we are
Speaker 1: with this one. Yeah. I mean, while other Republican candidates
Speaker 1: are like furiously trying to remove abortion references from their
Speaker 1: websites and deleting old social media posts and all this
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Yeah, what are some ballot initiatives like
Speaker 1: victories in the recent past or upcoming that you that
Speaker 1: you're kind of inspired by and covering on your podcast.
Speaker 1: So there was there were a couple in eighteen. One
Speaker 1: was the Amendment for Campaign in Florida, which restored voting
Speaker 1: rights to formerly incarcerated people that passed with like sixties
Speaker 1: something percent of the vote. Like we're saying, some of
Speaker 1: the minimum wage campaigns, and there's been some really interesting
Speaker 1: ones to curb predatory lending as well, like paid a
Speaker 1: loans and all that kind of stuff. So I mean
Speaker 1: not like the sexiest issues, right, but stuff that like
Speaker 1: really matters to people. And and of course I'm I'm
Speaker 1: following all of the reproductive rights measures closely, and I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, depending on what happens in in Michigan,
Speaker 1: if the right to abortion is upheld in the in
Speaker 1: the state constitution, I think we could see that it
Speaker 1: tried in other states. Kind of like marijuana like started
Speaker 1: in Colorado and California. Now it's like it's on the
Speaker 1: ballot in like Nebraska and Oklahoma and all these places.
Speaker 1: And so I think that, you know, we could definitely
Speaker 1: see that become part of the reproductive right strategy moving forward.
Speaker 1: M hm nice. Alright, let's let's talk Hannity real quick. Man.
Speaker 1: He was on one on his show the other night,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he's basically trying to list all of the
Speaker 1: crimes that Donald Trump is accused of as proof that
Speaker 1: everybody else is crazy and that Donald Trump is like
Speaker 1: being persecuted. He's being persecuted. Man, Like conscious pilot right now, Barabbas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you got ponscious pilot over here. Merrick Garland just
Speaker 1: doing whatever he wants to. But you know, this has
Speaker 1: been a wild week, like just in the last couple
Speaker 1: of days, right that just beyond the Mara Lago classified
Speaker 1: documents thing, there are new subpoenas for Trump's like that
Speaker 1: in regards to like Trump's spund raising like practices with
Speaker 1: his superpack, potentially opening up some like wire fraud charges
Speaker 1: for the dumb Dumb's got subpoena by the d o
Speaker 1: j for their part in the fake collector's plot. Hey
Speaker 1: dumb dumb here. Hey, hey you Bore s Epstein. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here you go. You're dumb dumb. You've been serving out
Speaker 1: of here. Uh. And also the Senate Judiciary Committee announced
Speaker 1: that they would be investigating Trump's like misuse of the
Speaker 1: d o J. A is like his like attack dog.
Speaker 1: That's just in the last two days. Okay, so handed,
Speaker 1: He's like, what's going on. They're doing everything they can,
Speaker 1: And in this he goes down this list of all
Speaker 1: of these fucking crimes he's being investigated for, as if
Speaker 1: to say they they're just so obsessed with this guy,
Speaker 1: aren't they. But it's it's like the worst cell phone
Speaker 1: I guess that you could see because it's wild to
Speaker 1: see this list of charges copin you can't fucking believe
Speaker 1: it or is witch hunt. The emoluments clause investigation from
Speaker 1: the House Oversight Committee, a House Ways and Means investigation
Speaker 1: into the Trump's taxes, Another House investigation into Trump's hotel ease,
Speaker 1: Another House investigation into far gift disclosures, a dcro the
Speaker 1: Trump's inauguration fundraising, another similar investigation from the Southern District
Speaker 1: of New York and the Eastern District of New York,
Speaker 1: and from New Jersey's Attorney general. One impeachment investigation into
Speaker 1: a regular phone call with Ukraine. A second impeachment investigation
Speaker 1: into January six yet a regular phone call, just no
Speaker 1: bias there. He was having a perfectly fine it was
Speaker 1: an excellent phone Weird, you are supporting a con artist?
Speaker 1: Does that? Maybe? Maybe, maybe that's the answer to the
Speaker 1: number of crimes that people are No, he's not a
Speaker 1: path someone who has used every amount of power he's
Speaker 1: gotten to bully and commit more crimes. And he we
Speaker 1: made him the president of the United States. It's but
Speaker 1: it's bonkers. Yeah, like he he commits crimes like other
Speaker 1: people breathe. Yeah, this is this doesn't surprise anyone except
Speaker 1: you get over it. The emoluments clause like whatever, that
Speaker 1: just did the wrong place at the wrong time, like
Speaker 1: different times. I mean, you know, I don't even really
Speaker 1: the John McClain of you know, the Bruce Willis and
Speaker 1: die Hard kept showing up at these places that would
Speaker 1: get terrorist attacked. That's like terrorists attackeded, I think is
Speaker 1: the correct. Yeah, he got dactyl. He he just kept
Speaker 1: showing up with places where people were doing fraud and
Speaker 1: crime and then joined in on it because pressure. He's
Speaker 1: just uh, he's just got to get new friends, you know.
Speaker 1: I think he's a deal there. But yeah, this is
Speaker 1: all I mean, I'm really curious to see how when
Speaker 1: Sean hannerd Hannity begins to intersect with a lot of
Speaker 1: these investigations. That's always interesting with like him and even
Speaker 1: like Lindsey Graham earlier were like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: smoke around, especially with Lindsay Graham where he's like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to testify about how I may have meddled
Speaker 1: and shipped in Georgia. Yeah, just a I don't know.
Speaker 1: Everyone is waiting with bated breath to see, uh anything happens,
Speaker 1: to be honest, I think that's really what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, when's it happening. It's like, is it
Speaker 1: gonna anything or like Lindsay Graham, like, look at this
Speaker 1: abortion ban over here, so you're not looking at all
Speaker 1: this other stuff. Don't talk about me being you know, indicted.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. Look, maybe this will be a
Speaker 1: smoke bomb that will distract everyone, but I think at
Speaker 1: this point it's just getting him a lot of people
Speaker 1: just confused. And like this guy fucking stinks. This guy stinks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's even gesturing at a thing that is like
Speaker 1: politically a loser for him, but just anything to anything
Speaker 1: to make noise and you know, rile people up. But
Speaker 1: this does the abortion band really really does seem to
Speaker 1: be a loser for them, and they don't seem to
Speaker 1: be able to come to grips with that. Yeah, Oh, Linda,
Speaker 1: there's a just all this click went up. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it says, but Mitch McConnell has just been
Speaker 1: asked about Lindsey Graham's abortion bands. So maybe this will
Speaker 1: be good, maybe it won't, But I just want to
Speaker 1: play it to hear what Ms McConnel has to say abortion.
Speaker 1: If you take off asked if you take the cent,
Speaker 1: we put it entirely to the States. Well, with regard
Speaker 1: to his bill, you'll have to ask him about it.
Speaker 1: In terms of scheduling, I think most of the members
Speaker 1: of my conference, I prefer that this we don't with
Speaker 1: at the straight level. That's someone who listens to the
Speaker 1: pools and also sheep in the middle of that sense
Speaker 1: he's looking. I mean, look, if Mitch is sweating too, man,
Speaker 1: he's losing control. Also, you'd love to see it. But
Speaker 1: also it's at everyone else's expense. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what to make of it, right, all right, do we
Speaker 1: have anything that like leads point points to Hannity being
Speaker 1: involved other than just the fact that he was likely
Speaker 1: Trump's like number one advisor that oh they were mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: there apparently him and many Fox people, right wing news
Speaker 1: people come up in text messages that have been you know,
Speaker 1: obtained by the d o J or the committee. So
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it could just be stuff where
Speaker 1: like we've seen he's like, hey, man, tell Trump to
Speaker 1: knock it off. Man, it's a bad look. Or if
Speaker 1: he's really also you know, if it gets a little
Speaker 1: bit more insidious than that, not sure. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break. We'll come back and talk about
Speaker 1: the queen. Mm hm, and we're back and yeah, the
Speaker 1: mainstream media just seems is like continues to be paralyzed
Speaker 1: by the death of the queen, just like the number
Speaker 1: one trending thing on Twitter, like that's all that's on CNN.
Speaker 1: Just everything is just about where her body is right now,
Speaker 1: Like this is where we're recording this on the day
Speaker 1: that her body was being transported, and like the Queen's
Speaker 1: body or the Queen says goodbye to Scotland for the
Speaker 1: last time, and just this like false solemnity or maybe
Speaker 1: they are solemn, maybe they are really like broken up
Speaker 1: about this ship. But it's I don't know. It seems
Speaker 1: like everybody I know is looking at this and being
Speaker 1: like still they're still talking about this ship, like just
Speaker 1: anything to talk to, not talk about what's going on
Speaker 1: in this country. I'm sure be ready to. Like it
Speaker 1: looked like MSNBC just took a black suit vacation to London. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the channel round the clocks, like Katie Turr or any
Speaker 1: of the people just all block. Oh and then we're oh,
Speaker 1: this is all moral, Oh, this is this is King
Speaker 1: Charles acting like an absolute child, losing it over a
Speaker 1: pen every bloody time, be stinking things shut. I don't
Speaker 1: give a fuck. Is that? What do you say? Have
Speaker 1: you seen that clip where he had the clip where
Speaker 1: he like dusts it away, like no, he's signing, and
Speaker 1: he's like getting so mad. He's like, I've said the
Speaker 1: wrong date? Is it the twelfth of thirteen? I can't
Speaker 1: it's hold on, I'm gonna pull it up because he's
Speaker 1: he is very whiny about a pen, and then like
Speaker 1: I guess he may have gotten like ink on his
Speaker 1: hand and Camilla is like, oh no, hold on, I'll
Speaker 1: play it to you, and like this is on CBS,
Speaker 1: is like a Twitter account. They're like, check out him
Speaker 1: signing this piece of paper. Oh god, it put the
Speaker 1: wrong date down. She said, you signed the twelfth prilier.
Speaker 1: It's the pen. It's going everywhere. And then people are
Speaker 1: rushing in to take the pen from her and help
Speaker 1: him wipe his hands, like somebody just walked into the
Speaker 1: room with a revolver, Like there, did you hear that? What?
Speaker 1: I can't bear this bloody thing? What they do everythink
Speaker 1: he's talking about a fucking fountain pen. Shut the funk up, dude,
Speaker 1: that's the bane of your fucking existence. This bloody thing.
Speaker 1: I'm now the fun king everything time. Every can't bear
Speaker 1: the bloody thing. It's hiring. Yeah, it's truly exhausting to witness,
Speaker 1: and it's it. It is interesting to see the mainstream
Speaker 1: media continue to just press and press and press and
Speaker 1: like make, you know, pretend like we give a ship
Speaker 1: and that. Look, I'm I'm going to continue to use
Speaker 1: the fact that the queen died as an excuse to
Speaker 1: cancel social engagements and like play dates for my kids
Speaker 1: or like meetings that I miss at work. That's because
Speaker 1: I'm a lazy and bad person and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to sit here and pretend like this is not a
Speaker 1: great excuse because the mainstream media has given us license
Speaker 1: to do that. But I it just feels so I
Speaker 1: feel like we this story is a new level of
Speaker 1: like out of step with how people actually feel. Because
Speaker 1: we have social media, we're able to at least have
Speaker 1: other people we we can blooe and like see other
Speaker 1: people booing, like hear other people doing like like the
Speaker 1: young man that was arrested for calling Prince Andrew a
Speaker 1: sick old man. Yeah, it's not just the accidents. When
Speaker 1: the CNN reporters like and how devastated are you, and
Speaker 1: the woman's like not at all. Sorry, I'm not into
Speaker 1: fucking and that. Yeah, okay, fair point, moving them along.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know, I feel like maybe the news
Speaker 1: anchors just they've been in Ukraine with their north face
Speaker 1: fleeces on for like six months. Maybe they just wanted
Speaker 1: to break put on their nice clothes for a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, they go back there. And the story about
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos quote tweeting CMU professor Carnegie melon which you know,
Speaker 1: Carnegie Mellon is the name of the university, so professor
Speaker 1: dr Ujuna who said she was glad the queen was
Speaker 1: I hope she experienced pain, and Jeff Bezos quote tweeted
Speaker 1: that and said, this is someone supposedly working to make
Speaker 1: the world better. I don't think so. Wow, but it's
Speaker 1: just because we don't have God. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I think this is the thing, right us not giving
Speaker 1: a funk. I mean, look, it's one thing for us
Speaker 1: to be in the United States not give a funk
Speaker 1: about the queen. That's its own thing, but like for
Speaker 1: most people to not give a funk, especially people from
Speaker 1: like the Commonwealth and former colonies. It's like just an
Speaker 1: acknowledgement that's like we don't have God's like we don't
Speaker 1: think this is a God, this is well right or
Speaker 1: whatever it is God's and kings these concepts that we
Speaker 1: have people in positions that make them fucking untouchable or
Speaker 1: that we would never dare to speak ill of them.
Speaker 1: A lot of these other people think they are you know,
Speaker 1: like Jeff Bezos does probably consider himself on some level
Speaker 1: like this exalted person and it's probably holy rationalizes why
Speaker 1: has so much money because I'm doing something great And
Speaker 1: this is how they would talk, that's how you make
Speaker 1: the world better. No, I make the world better because
Speaker 1: I'm making a spaceship for three people, right that I
Speaker 1: get to ride around on and go right, and it
Speaker 1: would be it would be really like we talked about this.
Speaker 1: I think maybe in the trending episode that the the
Speaker 1: idea that they might not be able to control their
Speaker 1: legacy in after death is probably one of the most
Speaker 1: horrifying things, where they're like, are people gonna see walk
Speaker 1: on my grave? Well, it's just like yeah, even in life,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like he's feeling panicked because this is
Speaker 1: the destabilization of the same unspoken rules that keep him
Speaker 1: cause it it away from criticism, you know, like he
Speaker 1: is someone who has accumulated immoral wealth and spends all
Speaker 1: his time thinking of ways to protect that wealth by
Speaker 1: maiming people without consequence for the purposes of like purely
Speaker 1: greed and maintaining a power. So like anything that is
Speaker 1: like chipping away at the armor of people just being
Speaker 1: like it's to have some decency, folks. And even Carnegie
Speaker 1: Mellon University came out like disavowed her tweet, which is
Speaker 1: very fucking frustrating, Like this is supposed to be a
Speaker 1: a institution of higher learning and instead they're like, we
Speaker 1: we're all for personal expression, but for some reason not
Speaker 1: in this case because Jeff Bezos called it out. Could
Speaker 1: you imagine he's like, I might have to withhold that
Speaker 1: endowment if you don't tweet something that makes me feel
Speaker 1: good about my little spat I had with the person
Speaker 1: who was correct. Yeah, but I think it's like many
Speaker 1: other things, man, like we hold these we can't like
Speaker 1: America can't reckon with its like fucking foundation of violent
Speaker 1: colonization and slavery, Like we cannot fucking talk about that,
Speaker 1: like plainly oh, you're extreme, and it's the same ship,
Speaker 1: like they feel that some institutions are unassailable and to
Speaker 1: begin to deconstruct that, I think is the first steps
Speaker 1: to people unshackling themselves from these fucking fake gass histories
Speaker 1: that we tell ourselves to be like fine with everything
Speaker 1: that's happening. The number of enslaved people is growing currently,
Speaker 1: like that, the United Nations head set a goal to
Speaker 1: eradicate all modern slavery by between the number of people
Speaker 1: enforced labor of forced marriage grew by ten million because
Speaker 1: we were seeing increased inequality and because of climate change,
Speaker 1: which is again caused mainly by massive corporations being not
Speaker 1: held accountable, like the exact same ship that Jeff Bezos
Speaker 1: is benefiting from and worried about when he decides he's
Speaker 1: going to come down and you know, police the speech
Speaker 1: of somebody around the death of the queen. Like that,
Speaker 1: it makes a lot more sense, like once you kind
Speaker 1: of think about it in the context, like capitalist power
Speaker 1: isn't just enforced through human caging, although that is like
Speaker 1: the main way it's enforced, but it's also through instilling
Speaker 1: in us like values that make the monarchy or you know,
Speaker 1: jeff Bezos or presidents seem decent and pleasant and you know,
Speaker 1: speak to us when you when you internalize that ship,
Speaker 1: it ends up speaking to you in your own thoughts,
Speaker 1: like when you're when you're alone, you're like outnumbered because
Speaker 1: these ideas have our things we've like grown grown up around.
Speaker 1: They're they're like showing us beautiful images of this, like
Speaker 1: polished jet taking off from Scotland, and like that's what
Speaker 1: we associate with this old racist woman who was like,
Speaker 1: you know, forcing enforcing a bunch of regressive values her
Speaker 1: whole life. Right, I think that's the and I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of part of it, right, is like we
Speaker 1: for for like sort of capitalism and inequality to keep
Speaker 1: moving at the speed that it does. More like regular
Speaker 1: people can't look at someone with extreme wealth and see
Speaker 1: that that's on the that that that's that's borne out
Speaker 1: of a ton of suffering. That it's not just like
Speaker 1: I'm so rich, Wow, it's I fucked over a lot
Speaker 1: of people to get this ship. It's fucking ugly. And
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that's happening right now is
Speaker 1: like so many people like you want to talk about
Speaker 1: the fucking monarchy, right now and people like we just
Speaker 1: like the Disney version where there's a king and a
Speaker 1: queen and prince and princesses, and we don't we know
Speaker 1: nothing of subjugated people or stolen land, and I think
Speaker 1: to connect them so vividly is really fucking it's sucking
Speaker 1: up people who want to hold on to this idea
Speaker 1: that like it's just like, no, it's like this fine,
Speaker 1: it's like it's a ceremonial or whatever. No it's not.
Speaker 1: It's it's an institution that's responsible for untold suffering. That's
Speaker 1: what it is. And I think that's we're trying to
Speaker 1: avoid that conversation, just talking about how she loved Balmoral
Speaker 1: where she could get away from the press, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it is regressive. I mean the values that she
Speaker 1: represented are regressive. They're not progressive. They are like a
Speaker 1: part of a really brutal, dark past. And for a
Speaker 1: American university to come through and be like, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: we think you should be a nicer, darker, it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty wild. Yeah. Also, like it's not like Bujuanya was
Speaker 1: like I'm just firing off a hot take. She's Nigerian,
Speaker 1: you know anything about history? Like that's the other thing,
Speaker 1: people that aren't connecting to all these people, like especially
Speaker 1: on the day of the death, people like I can't
Speaker 1: believe people from these like from the Commonwealth would say
Speaker 1: something like this, like you really have no idea? Really?
Speaker 1: All right, finally, let's talk about this new m T.
Speaker 1: A poster that is literally going up in New York
Speaker 1: subways is up already, so for context, there was a
Speaker 1: poster that went up during the pandemic that was yellow
Speaker 1: with like black kind of smiley face stick figures that
Speaker 1: said how to wear a mask, cover your nose and mouth.
Speaker 1: And the first one with somebody wearing it around their chin. Nope,
Speaker 1: then somebody wearing it around there on their nose, not
Speaker 1: covering their mouth, not quite mouth, not nose, try again,
Speaker 1: and then showing somebody wearing it. Right, that's the one, fine,
Speaker 1: like well designed poster. Now New York has put out
Speaker 1: a poster that is the same thing, except now it
Speaker 1: says masks are encouraged, but optional, And then it shows
Speaker 1: the person wearing it correctly and it says yes. Then
Speaker 1: it shows the person wearing it with their nose exposed,
Speaker 1: and it says yes over the nose but not the mouth.
Speaker 1: You do you, And then person without a mask on
Speaker 1: it says yes, and then it says, let's respect each
Speaker 1: other's choices. So it's the it's this is just diversity
Speaker 1: of opinion. We have to have a nice wide diversity
Speaker 1: of opinion. And if my opinion is that I should
Speaker 1: be able to sneeze on your elderly immunocompromised relative with
Speaker 1: my COVID germs, because I I feel like it, because
Speaker 1: then like, hey, you do you? That's my choice, okay,
Speaker 1: and my and and that's why it's you can't fucking
Speaker 1: talk to me about it because it's my choice and
Speaker 1: it doesn't affect anybody else because it's my choice. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: it does affect other people. Oh yeah. M just it's
Speaker 1: really it's weird to make a meme like out that's
Speaker 1: announcing we don't give a funk anymore. Yeah, it really
Speaker 1: seems it's a parody of their own like how they
Speaker 1: felt during the pandemic, and it just it feels dangerous
Speaker 1: like on for a number of reasons, just on a
Speaker 1: very specific like health policy level, but it also feels
Speaker 1: like it's in a category that we've talked about of
Speaker 1: these stories where like the right wing kind of fascist
Speaker 1: version of the story eventually wins out quietly in the
Speaker 1: mainstream media. In terms of like how the mainstream media
Speaker 1: and mainstream culture view it, I'd put it in the
Speaker 1: category with like cops claiming that the protests of caused
Speaker 1: the murder rate to go up, and the idea that
Speaker 1: giving people money during the pandemic is causing inflation. It
Speaker 1: seems like the mainstream media is to react to public
Speaker 1: outrage and public opinion in the moment with like a
Speaker 1: lot of energy, but then after the fact to like
Speaker 1: sort of correct the record, after our attention has kind
Speaker 1: of moved on and there's no longer the ground swell
Speaker 1: of energy and emotion, right, Yeah, So, like they're they're
Speaker 1: on board with criticizing the police while there's energy for it,
Speaker 1: but then they come back and falsely reports statistics that
Speaker 1: suggest criticizing the police this is causing people to murder.
Speaker 1: People were that they're, Hey, that's what my buddy the
Speaker 1: cop told me. Who's my white source for my crime reporting? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the mask sign reminded me of I don't know
Speaker 1: if either of you have ever been in a sheets
Speaker 1: convenience store gas station. It's popular in the mid Atlantic
Speaker 1: region Pennsylvania, Maryland, West Virginia, and North Carolina. So they're
Speaker 1: like a pretty right wing kind of company. But in
Speaker 1: the like first year of COVID, they had signs up
Speaker 1: there like yeah, masks suck, but like, we're legally obligated
Speaker 1: to tell you you have to put this on. It
Speaker 1: was literally like we are if we don't do this,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get sued. That was like the subtext that
Speaker 1: they're messaging to ask people to wear masks in their stores.
Speaker 1: Are they named after what they like to wear when
Speaker 1: they go out riding on horses at night? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know it's and and so the story with these
Speaker 1: with the subway in particular is that like the police
Speaker 1: have never enforced mask mandates on the subway, and now
Speaker 1: especially like the police have never worned their masks on
Speaker 1: the subway. Like those signs that were being like, hey,
Speaker 1: could you please wear your mask correctly were the closest
Speaker 1: we had to like actual like policy being enforced because
Speaker 1: the police did not when when there was a fine
Speaker 1: associated with not wearing a mask, the police admitted they
Speaker 1: issued very few, quote of of these fines, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that more than one in ten riders were unmasked
Speaker 1: at the height of the pandemic, and the cops were
Speaker 1: usually the ones not wearing the mask. Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: like the meme I felt like on New York Twitter
Speaker 1: was like just people taking pictures of cops like maskless
Speaker 1: even though they're like, hm, I thought the policy was different, fellas,
Speaker 1: but they're, well, the mask mandates were not enforced. They
Speaker 1: continue to aggressively target fair evasion. Good good, because you
Speaker 1: know what, Jack, the m t A is losing so
Speaker 1: much money from people's secually, it would be cheaper. It
Speaker 1: would be cheaper if they didn't do that. Okay. It
Speaker 1: was reported that the city wanted to spend two million
Speaker 1: on cops to say two d million in fair evasion. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you're spending fifty millions. How about this, pay me
Speaker 1: fifty millions, Like yeah, it's like the the idea that
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people believe that, like this
Speaker 1: is all to try and like make things run more smoothly.
Speaker 1: Like the the m t A is literally slowing down
Speaker 1: service in order to fight fair invaders by not opening
Speaker 1: rear bus doors. So it's they're they're making everything less
Speaker 1: efficient in order to fight poor people and you know,
Speaker 1: basically make it easier to cage poor people. And I'm sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean obviously, like you're talking about how they're wing
Speaker 1: version or like perspective on the story wins out. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's always whatever is best for capital, right, you know,
Speaker 1: because if if we are going to still talk about masks,
Speaker 1: then we still have to have, you know, good faith
Speaker 1: discussions on people who need support if they're not able
Speaker 1: to work or if they are immuno compromised and shouldn't
Speaker 1: expose themselves to something that could like terribly wreck their health.
Speaker 1: And we would have to have that because if we
Speaker 1: give a funk about mass, then we need to continue
Speaker 1: that momentum. If we're like, not's all good, then you're
Speaker 1: already operating from a position if someone says, well what
Speaker 1: about this, like well, it's all good, you don't gotta worry,
Speaker 1: it's all good, Like it's up to you. It's really
Speaker 1: up to you. It's really up to you. It's up
Speaker 1: to you. And it's every single time it's just sort
Speaker 1: of like, well, what about diversity, equity and inclusion. They're like,
Speaker 1: we said that up until like September, and then y'all
Speaker 1: moved on the World Series or some sh it happened,
Speaker 1: and then we got to fucking slither back into our
Speaker 1: cave holes and act like nothing was happening, because it is,
Speaker 1: like you're saying, the energy is like you're driving a
Speaker 1: car and everyone's like we want to go to mcdonne
Speaker 1: annals or like we want minimum wage. You're like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll put the car in that direction. Everyone's like yeah
Speaker 1: they asleep, all right, We're going back to fucking home depot.
Speaker 1: Like that's sort of the ebb and flow of these, uh,
Speaker 1: these moments in our culture. But yeah, it's makes you
Speaker 1: making distance disheartening England. It's it's just like like we're
Speaker 1: reducing the risks of the pandemic and already talking about
Speaker 1: how many people are having like suffering from long COVID
Speaker 1: and how that's actually a dimension of the labor force
Speaker 1: diminishing because of people suffering long COVID. But we're still
Speaker 1: in you do you yeah, like phase yeah, you do
Speaker 1: you well? And also like the like people are still
Speaker 1: confounded by like why there's no one to fill open
Speaker 1: jobs like hello, you know, it's like oh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like sort of like amnesia between like not connecting these
Speaker 1: stories together. It's I don't know why there's nobody to
Speaker 1: work because of the great resignation. Everybody they could do better,
Speaker 1: But as this street Journal story proves, they're all sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, there's so many yeah, the quiet quitting war
Speaker 1: that there's more articles keep coming back that are like
Speaker 1: employer clap backs. You think it's like, wow, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: this will be an ongoing story. I'm sure. I feel
Speaker 1: like company towns are coming, like they're gonna, they're gonna.
Speaker 1: They've got so much power at this point in the
Speaker 1: United States that's already kind of getting near that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah there, But I think they'll probably become more and
Speaker 1: more popular because they just get the benefit of the
Speaker 1: doubt way too easily in the mainstream media. Jenna on
Speaker 1: that late note, it's been such a pleasure having you.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm on Twitter at Jenna Spanelli. My podcast is
Speaker 1: When the People Decide at The People Decide Pod, and
Speaker 1: I work for the McCartney Institute for Democracy at Penn
Speaker 1: State Democracy dot PSU dot e d U nice And
Speaker 1: is there a tweet or some of the work of
Speaker 1: social media you've been enjoying. Yeah, so to take us
Speaker 1: all the way back to where we started talking about planes.
Speaker 1: Have you all seen the thread about the bulldog with
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Speaker 1: Um Now, some tweets are like, I like a couple good,
Speaker 1: A couple of videos on TikTok are hitting good. First
Speaker 1: one is from like a lot of people are showing
Speaker 1: reactions of like little girls watching the Little Mermaid trailer.
Speaker 1: This one is like amazing, is this that's white girl?
Speaker 1: The white girls watching? But what she says at the
Speaker 1: end is just fantastic. I'll play the end. So she's
Speaker 1: watching the whole teaser and she's just saying that fantastic
Speaker 1: line and then she's about to look at the camera
Speaker 1: to react at her mom. Jesus, was it gives me?
Speaker 1: Or was that with Whitney Houston? Is it just me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean the way she was hitting those lines, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be mad at you. And then this other one
Speaker 1: is from at only zans. But he it's this guy,
Speaker 1: this guy who's like watching domino videos on TikTok, and
Speaker 1: he's responding to them by like just saying what his
Speaker 1: emotional state is as he watches the dominoes and it's
Speaker 1: somehow as only Zans describes it, he described every feeling
Speaker 1: I have like I was having at the exact same points.
Speaker 1: So this is him watching a little dominoes that go around.
Speaker 1: Please hurry, Oh, I've seen this, swow. I want to
Speaker 1: see someone else. It's so interesting. Doesn't happen in the
Speaker 1: next two seconds? What's this? I swears to go. The
Speaker 1: video has two minutes and the whole thing is just like,
Speaker 1: come on, single lanes and he doesn't even know anything
Speaker 1: about don't like everything, just like, what are these? But
Speaker 1: it's just it's on point and uh yeah, fantastic video.
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