Speaker 1: The around the NFL podcast. Now that's a Moe Joe
Speaker 1: moment from the Chris Westlake podcast studio. It's around the NFL.
Speaker 1: Um Dan jnsas got heroes, Greg Rose withtal Mark Sessler. WHOA, WHOA,
Speaker 1: this was we've been doing this now. This is our
Speaker 1: temp season. Boys. I think this was an all time
Speaker 1: witching hour Sunday, both in the early and late games.
Speaker 1: A lock apocalypse for in our locks competition. Al Apocalypse. And,
Speaker 1: oh not for nothing, probably the most unlikely jets win
Speaker 1: in the history of this show against the Browns, which
Speaker 1: of course does nothing for you, mark. Emotionally, I'm nothing. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I mean I like the experience of watching your emotions
Speaker 1: and the roller coaster during that early window was fascinating,
Speaker 1: but then I completely forgot all about the ear window
Speaker 1: by the time the later games came around. It was
Speaker 1: one of the more insane week two's of our lifetime.
Speaker 1: I would say this might be Greggy you. You're really
Speaker 1: taking on the mantle of the A T N historian
Speaker 1: lately and we're all we pinch ourselves. Um, this has
Speaker 1: to be stacking up. There is one of the craziest
Speaker 1: Sundays in terms of improbable comebacks from positions that you
Speaker 1: just could not expect, between the cardinals, uh, and the jets.
Speaker 1: And what's the third one I'm thinking of? That was
Speaker 1: absolutely saying, the Falcons close, and then the dolphins being
Speaker 1: the most crazy. So the most crazy comebacks in one week.
Speaker 1: How could we top this? Although we kind of saw
Speaker 1: last season more than any season, and we're seeing this
Speaker 1: now in this NFL, like three score leads are not
Speaker 1: what they used to. I'm just expecting at this point.
Speaker 1: And today I fell into the trap where, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about the lineup of what order we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about these Games, and we were deep into the
Speaker 1: second window and saying these Games aren't very good. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to look at any game that way ever again,
Speaker 1: because every one of these things going down to the
Speaker 1: last nine seconds. If we're gonna yes, the witching hour
Speaker 1: was strong, uh, in both windows. So let's get to it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start today's show by hammering you with five
Speaker 1: straight epic bangers with unbelievable endings. Before we get too
Speaker 1: by the way, some killer quarterback injury news a little
Speaker 1: later in the show. Uh Nick shook coming up. So
Speaker 1: much fun to get to. Let's get going, starting with
Speaker 1: went went down, the horror in the desert, at least
Speaker 1: for the raiders car waiting for the shotgun snap. He's
Speaker 1: got the ball, quick throw, upside right in front of
Speaker 1: the catch and he breaks one tackle pull the ball
Speaker 1: comes out. It's loose and it picked up on the
Speaker 1: cardinals in the field. It's picked up, BUP by red
Speaker 1: nervy at the fourning, at the thirty, twenty, pret the ten.
Speaker 1: Full game. Byron nrvy picks up football at midfield, returns
Speaker 1: it for a touchdown and the cardinals win. The flags
Speaker 1: want and unbelievable Finnish parathagas. No, I was hoping to
Speaker 1: hear run wilfully, but he's probably passed out, I think,
Speaker 1: at that point in the press box. After unbelievable Byron
Speaker 1: Murphy Jr. That was km vp, by the way. Byron
Speaker 1: Murphy Jr recovers the Hunter Renfro fumble takes it to
Speaker 1: the house as the cardinals score the game's final twenty
Speaker 1: two points and a stunning over the shell shocked raiders
Speaker 1: and their fans at the new black hole. That's end
Speaker 1: you with an Oom. Lot Um Mark Greg can start
Speaker 1: with either of you here because this was your guys.
Speaker 1: This is your lock of the week and it came
Speaker 1: down to Kyler Murray and his Magic Act getting the
Speaker 1: touchdown to two point conversion with triple Zeros in regulation,
Speaker 1: and then the defense took it home this game. To
Speaker 1: me surprise, Greg and I are taking the L and
Speaker 1: I mean this is a rough day for all lockers involved,
Speaker 1: except for one. If you go back in time, an
Speaker 1: hour before the final result, the Byron Murphy Touchdown, I
Speaker 1: was sitting there covering this Um, shouting insults at the cardinals.
Speaker 1: I think you heard some of them, because it was
Speaker 1: six plus quarters in a row where the cardinals, to me,
Speaker 1: looked like they had no plan on defense. And that
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray I was starting to question. I don't question
Speaker 1: his incredible gifts, but could he alone save an offense
Speaker 1: that seemed like it was ready to sink into the sand?
Speaker 1: And then you fast forward an hour, you get Isaiah Simmons,
Speaker 1: who really had disappeared into the into the ether on
Speaker 1: this defense, making the huge hit that helped cause that fumble. Right,
Speaker 1: you get the Byron Murphy touchdown at the end, but
Speaker 1: for me it is what Kyler Murray did over the
Speaker 1: last half of this game completely took it over and
Speaker 1: really rescued the team. I mean the first of all,
Speaker 1: like the two two point conversions. His first to run
Speaker 1: into scamper, was one of the better players we've seen
Speaker 1: Um in many seasons. It ran eighty four yards on
Speaker 1: that two point in version. That's not an exaggeration that
Speaker 1: it is the longest obviously, anyone's ever run on a
Speaker 1: two point conversion. Eighty four yards. It looks like it.
Speaker 1: I mean it looked DEO Games. But then also to
Speaker 1: take the game into overtime. You know a j green
Speaker 1: had some issues in this game, but the throw in
Speaker 1: connection with a j green on that two point conversion
Speaker 1: to pull it into the fifth frame was one of
Speaker 1: the best throws of the entire season too. So kyler
Speaker 1: Murray comes out of this. Cliff Kingsbury is not perfect,
Speaker 1: but he comes out of this. The cardinals lost defense
Speaker 1: comes out of this with new life. And the raiders,
Speaker 1: that's a whole different topic, but I think for Arizona
Speaker 1: it changes their season, which was sinking quick right I
Speaker 1: think they were staring at the darkest Oh and to
Speaker 1: start of any team. If this game kept up as
Speaker 1: it was going, because the first half total domination by
Speaker 1: the raiders. But they turned it around working hard like
Speaker 1: an eleven play, nine four yards. It still wasn't coming easy.
Speaker 1: They actually turned it over on downs before that. Two
Speaker 1: touchdowns that they had and they had so many plays
Speaker 1: at the goal line that that game tying drive to
Speaker 1: go to overtime was eighteen plays sixty five yards. Green
Speaker 1: dropped the ball where it looked like he was tackled.
Speaker 1: That the one that could have been intercepted. Uh Kyler
Speaker 1: Murray through another pass where the raiders dropped an interception.
Speaker 1: He threw another pass right off of a raiders receivers
Speaker 1: hip that popped up in the air and could have
Speaker 1: been intercepted, and there were just so many different plays
Speaker 1: like that. Mark Keys Brown had a ball jostled out
Speaker 1: during overtime. It's like so much of like this sport
Speaker 1: and what the cardinal season could look like comes down
Speaker 1: to like Marco Wilson Jumps on the fumble in overtime,
Speaker 1: but it squirts out and murphy goes and gets it.
Speaker 1: But they deserved it by the end, like they were
Speaker 1: the team that dominated really from the second half on.
Speaker 1: Their pass rush got after Derek Carr and then Renfro
Speaker 1: ends up fumbling it twice in overtime. I thought, wow,
Speaker 1: that must be crazy. He must never fumble. He actually
Speaker 1: fumbled last week and he fumbled five times last season,
Speaker 1: so it is a little bit of an issue for
Speaker 1: Hunter Renfrew. Yeah, I think this was also an all
Speaker 1: time Sunday for cold takes on twitter, and I'll raise
Speaker 1: my hand with this game. I'm kind of keeping an
Speaker 1: eye on it because you know, and uh, that's what
Speaker 1: we do on Sundays, and I had quote. We retweeted
Speaker 1: the March News that Steve Kim the G M and
Speaker 1: cliff Kingsbury had received contract extensions and wrote reminder that
Speaker 1: this was odd at the time. Now it feels like
Speaker 1: a developing boondoggle and and maybe it still is. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying like everything is wiped away, but winning cures
Speaker 1: a lot of things and it completely changes the vibes
Speaker 1: in Arizona. Now and on the other side of it,
Speaker 1: for the raiders, this is the Josh mcdaniels Um earrow.
Speaker 1: This is this is supposed to be the start of
Speaker 1: something special for the raiders who, obviously, in addition Um
Speaker 1: to Um, having this better roster, you have Davante Adams.
Speaker 1: There he goes to for twelve on seven targets in
Speaker 1: this game. Mark and their offense, when when they needed
Speaker 1: to stop the bleeding down the stretch, it just was
Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. Absolutely lost. And I mean again,
Speaker 1: if you go back in time, earlier into the game,
Speaker 1: I was thinking this was a very clean performance by
Speaker 1: Derek Carr after last week's three reception meltdown. He had
Speaker 1: spread the ball all over the place. They're not like
Speaker 1: a downfield striking offense under Josh mcdaniels. They their passing
Speaker 1: game looks different, but it looked really productive. They were
Speaker 1: in total control and I thought Patrick Graham has this
Speaker 1: raiders defense plane at a different place than they were
Speaker 1: a season ago before that they were getting to Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: Matt Crosby, Max Crosby was all over the place. I
Speaker 1: think they got totally worn out in this game. They
Speaker 1: looked so gas down the stretch and they just did
Speaker 1: not show up and make a play at all. I
Speaker 1: mean because the offense didn't do anything in the second half.
Speaker 1: And Look, if the offense deason drive, then then they
Speaker 1: get it going. Like that. Crosby brings up another play
Speaker 1: in all of this that made it happen. I mean
Speaker 1: Max Crosby, and this is why it's like, let's not
Speaker 1: give cliffs Kingsbury too much credit here. This is kyler
Speaker 1: Murray being one of the most sensational athletes I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in doing things that only he can do. The
Speaker 1: game was over. If Max Crosby, one of the Great
Speaker 1: Pass rushers, whose forced Kyler Murray to about the twenty
Speaker 1: five or the thirty yard line on a play on
Speaker 1: the goal line and has him in his hands, has has,
Speaker 1: you know, little kyler Murray. I say that as a
Speaker 1: truly deminutive. In real life, Kyler Murray's, you know, well
Speaker 1: built here in your small statue, the spirit crosby has
Speaker 1: his arms around Kyler Murray. The game is over at
Speaker 1: that point. It is fourth down. He gets out of
Speaker 1: it and you know what, they don't win the game
Speaker 1: on that point, but he gets out of it and
Speaker 1: there's a pass or a holding call on the raiders
Speaker 1: defense that keeps the game going because Murray can escape,
Speaker 1: and that's what it was all about. The Best Player,
Speaker 1: I think, yes, and Byron Murphy Jr, you're the hero,
Speaker 1: but I think what Greg is saying, what mark saying.
Speaker 1: I'll echo it. You could. When the Kyler Murray extension happens,
Speaker 1: you go, h okay, it makes sense because he's he's
Speaker 1: put a lot of great things on tape, but let's
Speaker 1: see how this contract works out. And then you see
Speaker 1: a game like this and you realize that he really
Speaker 1: is one of one and the cardinals are very lucky
Speaker 1: to have them. We were today. We're just getting started.
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be a good show. When there's
Speaker 1: spittle on my computer, you're the winners. Let's head to Baltimore,
Speaker 1: where another road dog blew up to a shotgun, back
Speaker 1: to throw, looking, looking, looking, steps up, fires, touchdop, it's Waddle, touchdown,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, to look around. It came back to waddle,
Speaker 1: water throwing catch with fourteen seconds left. Oh the lock
Speaker 1: of the localypse, lock apocalypse. What are we? Where do
Speaker 1: we settle? You said lockpocalypse. I just kind of like localypse,
Speaker 1: but that doesn't really work. Lockpocalypse, Apocalypse Zeus are locked
Speaker 1: up the Ravens. He's feeling good, but then to do
Speaker 1: a Jimmy Cephalo with the called W Q a m
Speaker 1: to a non step out of the dark web and
Speaker 1: rejoice tongue of by low through for four hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty nine yards and six touchdowns, six four of which
Speaker 1: came in the final quarter. The Dolphins Rallyback from twenty
Speaker 1: one down in Baltimore to beat Lamar Jackson, who was
Speaker 1: out of his mind himself in this game. UH, forty two,
Speaker 1: thirty eight win over the Ravens, and you heard it,
Speaker 1: there to a seven yard touchdown pass to Jalen waddle
Speaker 1: of fourteen seconds left completed what was just an amazing
Speaker 1: comeback by Miami. And I opening comeback to people like me, people,
Speaker 1: and there I'm not alone, that doubt to uh, that
Speaker 1: doubt this offense's ability to kind of live up to
Speaker 1: the hype, and then you see a game like this
Speaker 1: and you say, okay, okay, now I see it, now
Speaker 1: I can see how it works. They were down thirty five,
Speaker 1: fourteen with less than thirteen minutes to play and they
Speaker 1: just never got stopped and they made some big plays
Speaker 1: along the way, uh, in other phases of the game.
Speaker 1: But when you look back at this game, and we'll
Speaker 1: see if ta can now build on this mark and
Speaker 1: become a star, which is what the dolvins thought he
Speaker 1: would be, but this was a potential star making performance
Speaker 1: from a quarterback that's been very hot and cold in
Speaker 1: his career at this point. Yeah, I think with two
Speaker 1: he's at the place in his career where you're on
Speaker 1: your you know, a second coach at this point and
Speaker 1: you didn't draft Justin Herbert, which we know the owner
Speaker 1: was peeved about, and with two of you can look
Speaker 1: at right, you can look at two and through certain
Speaker 1: metrics and say he's incredibly accurate, he does X, Y
Speaker 1: and Z really well, but you don't see it on
Speaker 1: the field, and I've always been like, I just want
Speaker 1: to see that to a moment that game that alters
Speaker 1: the way that he's looked at by the general public
Speaker 1: to something did happen today, because it wasn't just it
Speaker 1: was the way they did it. He made a couple
Speaker 1: of massive keith throws in this and I would say
Speaker 1: it was right, because it's not unlike the Kyler game
Speaker 1: where you and I are sitting next to each other
Speaker 1: kind of grumbling about the fact like this to a
Speaker 1: thing is probably not working to some degree. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're jumping to conclusions, I get that, but it's at halftime, right,
Speaker 1: he looked like the two of the men to uh
Speaker 1: that you've kind of got a two picks in the
Speaker 1: first half. Made some throws as well and kept them
Speaker 1: in the game, but at the same time it was
Speaker 1: kind of like, okay, this is what we're expecting and
Speaker 1: instead of it, instead of it getting away when it
Speaker 1: looked like it was a blowout, it doesn't. And Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: Greg was incredible in this game and that was, to me,
Speaker 1: going to be the story. That was how I was
Speaker 1: gonna lead it on the show that this guy is
Speaker 1: flying on his way to another M v P, potentially
Speaker 1: because his passing has never been better. He has a
Speaker 1: seventy five yard touchdown game, that run that you think
Speaker 1: salts this game away late in the third quarter, and
Speaker 1: yet the ravens can't find a way to close it out,
Speaker 1: and that's concerning as well. Greg. The defense really did.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's one of those days, Greg every team can
Speaker 1: have it, even a good defense, where just the walls
Speaker 1: fall in, but still not a great look. Well, they're
Speaker 1: a little thin at certain positions. I think their edge rusher,
Speaker 1: I think parts of their secondary. I know Marcus Peters
Speaker 1: and Humphrey played in this game, but they were hurt
Speaker 1: coming into it. But this is also just unprecedent. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think conditioning, you don't play in the preseason. Some
Speaker 1: crazy stuff happened at the end of these games, but
Speaker 1: I would that doesn't take any credit away. I mean
Speaker 1: this game was so epic, this comeback was so epic.
Speaker 1: The only games you can compare it to our games,
Speaker 1: like I remember where I was when I saw him
Speaker 1: here are the only twenty one point comebacks since, since,
Speaker 1: since two thousands, there's only ben five. That your jets
Speaker 1: against the Dolphinsah, okay, another miracle in the meadow lands,
Speaker 1: rather uh in that the Sean Jackson Uh led come back.
Speaker 1: I remember the Vince Young Comeback from twenty one nothing
Speaker 1: down against the giants in the fourth quarter of that game.
Speaker 1: That's one of my all time favorites. and O six,
Speaker 1: there was the Peyton manning game on Monday night football
Speaker 1: like those are it like like against the bucks where
Speaker 1: where he did it, the Games that people talk about
Speaker 1: for the rest of Peyton Manning's career like this, is
Speaker 1: that game. Was it more special that you were sitting
Speaker 1: next to Dan and mark this time around for this version?
Speaker 1: That's true. I wasn't there for any of those, like you,
Speaker 1: weren't there. This game was a fog and in fact
Speaker 1: I was kind of annoyed because I wanted to draft
Speaker 1: this game first overall, and then I just thought value wise.
Speaker 1: Take Buck Saints, and I made him take with your
Speaker 1: heart there, waving the five year waiting period and putting
Speaker 1: me right into the draft hall of fame for the
Speaker 1: Games that I took this Sunday. Everyone was gonna it's
Speaker 1: gonna be on the list of the top ten games.
Speaker 1: Jalen waddle and tyreek Hill combined for twenty two catches,
Speaker 1: for two hundred and they're making me do math on
Speaker 1: the fly. Sixty one yards. They were targeted to combine
Speaker 1: thirty two times and had twenty two catches. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this sound's gonna be every week and
Speaker 1: it won't, uh, but this is the proof of concept
Speaker 1: game for Mike mcdaniel and, uh, it was pretty amazing
Speaker 1: to watch. So, dolphins fans, yes, I saw you in
Speaker 1: my mentions, actually, humble pie, if they are coubling it up,
Speaker 1: it is a concerning level level of calorie intake. I
Speaker 1: must because the dolphins showed out in a huge spot
Speaker 1: here and there two. And Oh, how about that too,
Speaker 1: because I was I was strongly considering the Ravens as
Speaker 1: my luck and I said as much. Let's give mcdaniel
Speaker 1: the last word onto I think it was a moment
Speaker 1: that he'll never forget that hopefully he can use moving
Speaker 1: forward because, um, we didn't have the the strongest we
Speaker 1: basically had to play perfect, complimentary football to come back
Speaker 1: from deficit like that against a really good team. Um,
Speaker 1: so it couldn't be happier for him and his teammates. Know. Uh,
Speaker 1: his teammates learned a lot about him and I think
Speaker 1: he learned. His teammates learned a lot about him and
Speaker 1: I think he learned something about himself. Don't we all
Speaker 1: have like a friend in our past that is exactly
Speaker 1: like Mike mcdaniel? I can't after Rachel Bonetta did her
Speaker 1: latest genius impersonation on on twitter, I can only see
Speaker 1: Napoleon dynamite. Now I can't see it. But anyway, he
Speaker 1: adds to the argument the cadence of how he speaks.
Speaker 1: But I mean, look at you, beaten, Bill Belichick, and
Speaker 1: you just did what you did today. So he seemed
Speaker 1: like happy, exhausted, where he just couldn't even think straight anymore.
Speaker 1: Congratulations to Mike mcdaniel and the dolphins. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Fun Dolphins team. It's been a while. This is guys.
Speaker 1: As we move along here, historic Sunday, just wild things
Speaker 1: going on. I have yet more history. For the first
Speaker 1: time and I don't know how long since I became
Speaker 1: a father, I will make a point this week to
Speaker 1: sit my children down to watch a jet game together.
Speaker 1: Third Down and ten seconds to go, the jets down
Speaker 1: by six. FLACO takes the shotgown stop and drops. What's up?
Speaker 1: The sea fires. Todd touchdown, Gedlus. It's yours. But yet
Speaker 1: to the point after away crops taking the league. With
Speaker 1: twenty two seconds to go, do Bongo's baby. More history.
Speaker 1: Bongos for the jets. Bob was choosing for the with
Speaker 1: the call. We never hear Bob on the show W
Speaker 1: E P N. Joe flacco fired a fifteen yard touchdown
Speaker 1: past the rookie Garrett Wilson, who's a player, by the way.
Speaker 1: With twenty two seconds left, the jets almost impossibly rally
Speaker 1: down from thirteen down in the final two minutes. Fort
Speaker 1: Win over the browns and that place is a masoleum.
Speaker 1: In Cleveland. Uh, just stunning what happened here. On third
Speaker 1: and ten, FLACCO, who had three four touchdown passes in
Speaker 1: this game, found Wilson over the middle. Earlier in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, Wilson had dropped a crucial third down pass
Speaker 1: that led to a jets punt that seemed to put
Speaker 1: the game away. Uh for the Browns, who got another
Speaker 1: big time game from Nick Chubb. And yet after Chub
Speaker 1: goes into the end zone to put the browns up
Speaker 1: thirteen when he could have went down on one knee.
Speaker 1: It's that thing that happens sometimes it's like, Oh, don't
Speaker 1: let him go on the end zone. They're gonna win anyway. No,
Speaker 1: go down, kill the clock and end the game. He
Speaker 1: goes in the end zone. KDE York, who went from
Speaker 1: the nursery to the kicker club, then misses an extra point.
Speaker 1: FLACCO and the jets come on the field and right
Speaker 1: away Corey Davis gets hit wide open down the right
Speaker 1: sideline for a seventy plus yard touchdown. After the extra point. Okay,
Speaker 1: one minute left and a little bit of change. Jets
Speaker 1: don't really have any way to stop the clock. Brown
Speaker 1: just gotta recover an onside kick. They can't do that.
Speaker 1: And now you know that's getting tight. Things are puckering
Speaker 1: in Cleveland and the crowd, because now the jets have
Speaker 1: the ball down six because the miss miss p a
Speaker 1: t and then uh flacco takes them right down the field.
Speaker 1: They get an interception to close up by Ashton Davis
Speaker 1: and it is one of the more unlikely jets wins
Speaker 1: in a very long time. And for the Browns, who
Speaker 1: were set up for a two and Oh start, just
Speaker 1: a crushing loss. But the jets, Greg, I know you
Speaker 1: picked them, I think, to win by one point. They
Speaker 1: won by one point, but I don't think it's how
Speaker 1: you predicted it. No, I thought would be like thirteen.
Speaker 1: Twelve would be ugly. You're telling me how Jacoby Brissette
Speaker 1: actually played pretty well in this, like you know your
Speaker 1: old thing. Oh Joe, Joe flacco is a Fluco, fluco
Speaker 1: no more. You know as as great a position that
Speaker 1: the raiders were in up up sixteen points with the
Speaker 1: ball twelve minutes ago, as we want to win probability percentage.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's great a position that the
Speaker 1: ravens were in up one four quarter. Nothing like this
Speaker 1: situation where the browns have a first down before that
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb touchdown. I mean nothing, do you what do
Speaker 1: you want the number with one to play? And you know, listeners, no,
Speaker 1: I do not like win. Probability. Eight percent chance that
Speaker 1: the browns win at that moment. And yet they found
Speaker 1: a way to lose. And usually the jets don't find
Speaker 1: a way to go into that window that gets open marked.
Speaker 1: But in this case and this weird Sunday, the jets
Speaker 1: even found a way to be magical and I'm still
Speaker 1: processing it, as are all the jets fans I know
Speaker 1: back home right and I think it started much earlier
Speaker 1: in the game for me, because it could have been
Speaker 1: nailing the coffin had the jets not gone with a
Speaker 1: really gutsy fake punt as well that led to a
Speaker 1: scoring drive. So I think you get that. You combine
Speaker 1: the cave, your mix sus point and you get and
Speaker 1: you do the on side kick. It was a special team,
Speaker 1: a glorious special team's Day for the jets. That really
Speaker 1: to me. Their their defense has issues. They got run
Speaker 1: over by the Browns, but Garrett Wilson is one of
Speaker 1: the big discoveries on this day. And I mean if
Speaker 1: you can get two. I mean I think like we
Speaker 1: don't play, but I mean there's been it's been so
Speaker 1: hard for the jets, despite their pieces that seemed to
Speaker 1: look better and better every season, for any of them
Speaker 1: to show up in these games, and this was the
Speaker 1: day that kind of finally that happened. And if you're Cleveland, uh,
Speaker 1: it is a total team collapse, because you can't. I
Speaker 1: I typically thought when Cleveland Loses these Games, YOU'RE gonna
Speaker 1: first look at Jecobi Prisett and say, well, that's the liability.
Speaker 1: That just was not the case. That he has one.
Speaker 1: He is a tough individual. First of all, he's not perfect,
Speaker 1: but he did all he could. They ran the ball
Speaker 1: the way that you would want to formula wise to
Speaker 1: say you're gonna win some games before Deshaun Watson comes back.
Speaker 1: All of that happened, except the jets pulled so many
Speaker 1: tricks and so many maneuvers out of their butt that
Speaker 1: things went differently. This is a game that ended up
Speaker 1: with eight under total yards between the two teams. The
Speaker 1: browns did anything they wanted, basically on offense in this game.
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb ran the jets over, especially in the second half.
Speaker 1: Brissette really played well. And now the interception that ended
Speaker 1: the game came with less than ten seconds to go.
Speaker 1: But they had a shot to get into field goal
Speaker 1: range and that was a legitimately bad throw. But the
Speaker 1: thing that that jumps out. Yes, the jets have that
Speaker 1: early fake punt to set up their first score, but
Speaker 1: the rest of the game went exactly kind of how
Speaker 1: you thought it would go, to where what we've seen
Speaker 1: from the jets in recent years, to where the browns
Speaker 1: felt like they were until there's one play and then
Speaker 1: something just happened and it's one of those games that
Speaker 1: you'll remember on both sides. That jets fans will remember
Speaker 1: it and for like the unlikely nature of it for
Speaker 1: a franchise that's been down forever, browns fans will not
Speaker 1: forget this one. That that will stick to the ribs.
Speaker 1: Just so like I know we've the browns were a
Speaker 1: complex subject on this show and in general, but it's
Speaker 1: not just the jets that have had tough times. The
Speaker 1: browns have not been too and Oh, since when Vinny
Speaker 1: Testaverdi and Bernie Kozar, we're dueling Banjo's at quarterbacks. So
Speaker 1: this is a crushing loss that I one thing is
Speaker 1: the browns know how to author those. I say that
Speaker 1: the newsroom in our little area did not feel any
Speaker 1: different than previous Brown's years when the Brown had this
Speaker 1: game ripped away from him. I felt for you, mark,
Speaker 1: and I felt like Greg. I think you're you're I'm
Speaker 1: sitting next to day. I hadn't. I wasn't really even
Speaker 1: I was doing other stuff during it. It's it's I
Speaker 1: know that you want. I do honestly kind of happy
Speaker 1: for Dan, because it's like I'm not emotionally tied to
Speaker 1: the result. The jets snap. there. You want to talk
Speaker 1: about bad stats, the jets. Jets snap their thirteen game
Speaker 1: losing streak in September. And if you don't think that
Speaker 1: this calls for the return of Keith Hans is on
Speaker 1: this show, you do not pay attention to this podcast.
Speaker 1: Let's hear from my dad who, like the rest of
Speaker 1: us in gang green nation, we're feeling no pain. His
Speaker 1: name was key. Doubt about it, jets fan. What is
Speaker 1: he go this game today? What is he gome today?
Speaker 1: I've watched the jets for over fifty years and I
Speaker 1: have never seen them win a game like they did today.
Speaker 1: I've seen many losses, many wins in close games, but
Speaker 1: nothing that was this close. When I saw that field
Speaker 1: goal kicker missed, that the missed the extra point for
Speaker 1: Cleveland and saw the look on his face, I got
Speaker 1: some excitement that this might be something special. I could
Speaker 1: not believe flackl throwing a long touchdown and then getting
Speaker 1: the onside kick and then driving down the field. It
Speaker 1: was amazing. Jets, J E T S, jets, jets, jets.
Speaker 1: Do you hear that? Do you hear Keith? How happen?
Speaker 1: The Look at the eyes? Down Thirteen, with no timeouts.
Speaker 1: It was over and he uh again. I said it
Speaker 1: last week that I said I want results, not receipts.
Speaker 1: And Dad and and and some other family members went
Speaker 1: to giants stadium or metlife stadium and got rained on
Speaker 1: and a blowout, and that's all we're asking for. Jes
Speaker 1: Give us. We don't need to win a super bowl,
Speaker 1: we don't even need to make the playoffs, but throw
Speaker 1: pepper in some of these games so it feels like
Speaker 1: you're part of a real you're following a real team.
Speaker 1: That was a really, really much needed win for not
Speaker 1: just the fan base but for Robert Sale, with the
Speaker 1: criticism that had been building up around him, for JOE
Speaker 1: FLACCO and really everybody connected with the jets. So big
Speaker 1: win for the jets, big rent. I love it all right.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful to hear Keith. He was happy the last
Speaker 1: time my dad was happy on this over a decade
Speaker 1: at this point and, like the jets, pain is well chronicled.
Speaker 1: He's passed it onto you. You've in theory passed it
Speaker 1: onto your children, maybe, and uh I am very happy
Speaker 1: for your dead he's a true fan. Thank mark. Let's
Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be right back. All right, let's
Speaker 1: move on to the next game as we continue. Great
Speaker 1: Win for the jets. Let's continue on with another crazy ending.
Speaker 1: Maher is set. He has two fifty yard field goals
Speaker 1: this year. Here comes his kick. It has the distance.
Speaker 1: It good. Cowboys win on a fifty yard field goal
Speaker 1: at the gun. Cooper rush beats the bengals. Cooper rush
Speaker 1: beats the bengals. What is going on in Cincinnati? The
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys get a desperately needed win in week two,
Speaker 1: but it did feel that way. Win for the cowboys
Speaker 1: over the Bengals, who go from a F C champions
Speaker 1: the doorstep of the Super Bowl to an o and
Speaker 1: to start here. So, mark, what was your vibe on
Speaker 1: this team this game, because it seemed like Cincinnati was
Speaker 1: taken control and was going to get a much needed
Speaker 1: win and they just couldn't close. It came too late.
Speaker 1: It was a real mess for Cincinnati out of the gate.
Speaker 1: I don't I think. I'm not saying the bengals did this,
Speaker 1: but it would have been easy to look at a
Speaker 1: cooper rush led cowboys offense and overlook what you saw.
Speaker 1: And two takeaways for me, and I mean we can
Speaker 1: all discuss this one, but the offensive line that was
Speaker 1: much bally hood and we basically assumed would just be
Speaker 1: so much better. It was. This bengals front office has
Speaker 1: fixed their final issue to protect their prize asset and
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. Six sex today. He has taken twenty six
Speaker 1: of them over the last five games, stretching into last
Speaker 1: playoff run. Thirteen this year, right third team this year,
Speaker 1: and it looks no different to me. He is on
Speaker 1: the run. I think it creates a few of them himself,
Speaker 1: but that's because he's just trying to make a play,
Speaker 1: but they to me it affects the run game. It
Speaker 1: certainly affects what's happening with their past game. They still
Speaker 1: gile up some big plays, but the Dallas Front, Micah
Speaker 1: Parsons especially, was so dominant in this game that it
Speaker 1: took a long time for Sincinnat, he liked last week
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, to get untracked and climb back in flip side.
Speaker 1: Cooper rush, who looked like a mess against the bucks
Speaker 1: but had, you know, in his past, has had a
Speaker 1: couple of moments for the cowboys. I thought he played
Speaker 1: great for how little he's seen, what little practice time
Speaker 1: he's been with with starters because they're so shallow. At
Speaker 1: Wide Receiver, he's actually had better chemistry than Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: with guys like Noah Brown and others. I mean there
Speaker 1: are just a lot of big plays and he dialed
Speaker 1: up that game winning drive at the end. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what Dallas I don't know where they'll be
Speaker 1: a month from now. Who knows? But you've just beaten
Speaker 1: the defending a F C title team and if you're
Speaker 1: the Bengals, you never would have imagined we'd be here
Speaker 1: at Oh and two with the same issues you had
Speaker 1: a year and you say we talked to that. I
Speaker 1: know you said it a lot mark on this podcast,
Speaker 1: like why does it feel like, entering the season, Cincinnati
Speaker 1: wasn't getting a lot of respect, and then they've gone
Speaker 1: out the first two weeks and been like yeah, you
Speaker 1: don't need to respect this because it was a magical
Speaker 1: January into February. And then we show up and we
Speaker 1: positively gag away the Pittsburgh game in week one, and
Speaker 1: then you let a Dallas team playing without deak deak
Speaker 1: Prescott beat you in week two and it's just like
Speaker 1: that is one of the worst, uh two weeks starts
Speaker 1: of any team in the League right now. You can
Speaker 1: make the argument's the worst. Well, also because it could
Speaker 1: so easily be too I know that. Like they they
Speaker 1: think they're a player too away. Uh. The offensive line struggled,
Speaker 1: and yet that wasn't the issue. On the final drive,
Speaker 1: when the bengals defense forced another punt by the cowboys,
Speaker 1: it felt like this was gonna be another great comeback.
Speaker 1: It was seventeen three in this game in the first half.
Speaker 1: It was seventeen nine at one point in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: And then they get the two point conversion, they get
Speaker 1: the touch on, they get the ball back and then
Speaker 1: they don't do anything Trayvon Diggs made a great tackle
Speaker 1: in space on Tyler Boyd. That was like a game
Speaker 1: winning football play by Trayvon Diggs, who takes a lot
Speaker 1: of grief by kind of being a Gambler, but he's
Speaker 1: played things a little safer. I think defenses are playing
Speaker 1: way back on the bengals the last two weeks, definitely
Speaker 1: trying to take away the big play and you look
Speaker 1: at the box score, they did not have a play
Speaker 1: over twenty yards. So not only are they taking all
Speaker 1: those sacks and Michael Parsons right now is like on
Speaker 1: some Lawrence Taylor stuff. Five quarterback hits in this game.
Speaker 1: That the first two games of this season. He's built
Speaker 1: on the best rookie season we've seen and I don't
Speaker 1: know how long. But there the bengals aren't getting big
Speaker 1: plays and and they're getting sacks. I mean that's a
Speaker 1: that's a tough combination and you can make the case,
Speaker 1: if a defense is playing back or making sure you're
Speaker 1: not getting beat over the top, that there should be
Speaker 1: more underneath, which would then lead to be able to
Speaker 1: get the ball out quick the guys that are, you know,
Speaker 1: closer to the line of scrimmage and and it should
Speaker 1: still work for Cincinnati. So I'm just I'm curious why
Speaker 1: they struggled so much today. They made they did, he
Speaker 1: did make plays. I think it's two weeks in a
Speaker 1: row where you get you get into a deep hole
Speaker 1: when you have to try to climb out and the
Speaker 1: run game right, like last year when they went and
Speaker 1: hammered the rest of the A F C north. A
Speaker 1: lot of it had to do with the with Joe Mixon,
Speaker 1: with the ground game, that you build a lead and
Speaker 1: then the big plays would come more easily. That the
Speaker 1: best coach in this game was Dan Quinn. I think
Speaker 1: on Sleep Dallas can win games against anyone. With the
Speaker 1: way that Michael Parsons and the defense is playing. That's
Speaker 1: such a around. The NFL trope went in doubt. Don't
Speaker 1: Credit Mike McCarthy under any circumstances. Well, I mean Credit Quinn.
Speaker 1: Parthy and and Kellen Moore do deserve credit for how
Speaker 1: they prepared cooper rush in this game. If you look
Speaker 1: at what Dan if you go watch what Dan Quinn's
Speaker 1: defense and, to your point, how they went against Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: the scheme they came up with and their stars played
Speaker 1: like stars. It's like there their problem three seasons ago
Speaker 1: or two seasons ago was the defense was a huge mess.
Speaker 1: Now it's their biggest strength under Dan Quinn. Every everyone
Speaker 1: it feels like a two wins with with rush, if
Speaker 1: they can just survive. And you get the giants next week,
Speaker 1: and we'll get to that as the week rolls on.
Speaker 1: But to peel yourself off the turf after a brutal
Speaker 1: week one and get the w the cowboys have to
Speaker 1: be feeling good. You want another Banger, another great ending.
Speaker 1: Sure there's no end of the best reality show on
Speaker 1: to l let's at the topic. Let's head across the
Speaker 1: sidewalk to Sofi Stadium. Mariota. How's any high snap rams tick?
Speaker 1: Five hey hit, Mariota, pro goes up, is intercepted the lines,
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey out to the twenty and out of owns
Speaker 1: to the rams bench palls. Game in week two for
Speaker 1: the rams. Deep as Hell for the rams. The Great
Speaker 1: Jb long with the call. Jalen Ramsey picked up Marcus
Speaker 1: Mariota in the final minute of regulation to stop the
Speaker 1: possibility of an epic collapse of the Rams, who hold
Speaker 1: on for a thirt win in their building, their first
Speaker 1: win of the year after their week one loss on
Speaker 1: Thursday night against the bills. And this was a game, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: where the Rams we're beating the Falcons three m look
Speaker 1: at that. And then a series of big plays, a
Speaker 1: major rally by the Falcons, got this thing tight, got
Speaker 1: it down, got it down from the Rams, kick a
Speaker 1: field goal, get it up to thirty, win ten and
Speaker 1: then you just gotta give Mariotta in the offense and
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith credit um for staying in the game. Then
Speaker 1: they get a huge block punt Um for a touchdown
Speaker 1: and that's when it got really interesting. But in the end, Um,
Speaker 1: the rams got to stop from their big guy, Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 1: which was especially nice because Ramsey, greg did not have
Speaker 1: the best week one against Stefon diggs and the bills. No,
Speaker 1: and I know he wasn't on pits this whole game,
Speaker 1: but when you look at the targets and the yards
Speaker 1: that Ramsey gave up, I think it was like seven
Speaker 1: targets the only game about thirteen yards. It matches up
Speaker 1: pretty well with Kyle Pitts, who basically got shut down
Speaker 1: in this game. If you can turn the falcons into
Speaker 1: a one dimensional passing him where it's just drake London.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a better chance and I just think
Speaker 1: of like I have. I'd have to go through it.
Speaker 1: But how many times does it feel like Ramsey ended
Speaker 1: games like? It feels like last last year for the
Speaker 1: rams and since he's been on this team, that he
Speaker 1: is the guy. Very often it's not the offense that
Speaker 1: makes the game winning past breakup or interception to do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, this is this is the
Speaker 1: rams come out of here with a win, but I
Speaker 1: leave concerned in general because they basically no showed against
Speaker 1: the bills in a very concerning manner and our preview show,
Speaker 1: I think there was debate over over whether the Falcons
Speaker 1: were a real entity or not, and and so, if
Speaker 1: they aren't, if they are, they are, but if they aren't,
Speaker 1: the rams completely in their streaky nature. Look at their
Speaker 1: first five drives. Touchdown, touchdown, interception, Matthew Stafford, touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 1: They were answering every question about their opener. It was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: these are this is the rams are back and we're
Speaker 1: gonna forgive them week one. Here's how they ended. Interception,
Speaker 1: field goal, blocked, punt, fumble and safety. I mean they
Speaker 1: really melted. The safety is they purposely ran the ball out,
Speaker 1: run out of an epic meltdown. I don't care about
Speaker 1: the safety, but I just would say, you know, I
Speaker 1: watched this game close and yes, it was not great.
Speaker 1: It was not great the way the game closed out,
Speaker 1: but I think there were maybe they got a little
Speaker 1: lethargic after building that huge lead and thought that they
Speaker 1: thought they could coast home. But that's an ill quality. Sure,
Speaker 1: but you know what, I'm just not gonna go crazy
Speaker 1: and feel like I'm worried about the rams, because the
Speaker 1: Falcons made this game close, I think more they were
Speaker 1: up three, like I said, in this game midway through
Speaker 1: the third quarter. The Falcons, to their credit, and this
Speaker 1: is and I they're an entity, but I don't think
Speaker 1: they're a very good team. They I think they're well,
Speaker 1: you guys keep saying that. That's fine, but I'm just
Speaker 1: saying this was a game that was a blowout that
Speaker 1: the Falcons deserve credit for making interesting. But I'm not
Speaker 1: coming out of this like the Falcons are actually sneaky
Speaker 1: good or the rams are sneaky bad. I think the
Speaker 1: rams took care of business, but it could have it
Speaker 1: could have been easier than it was. So that's that's
Speaker 1: more things for Sean are bad or sneaky bad. I
Speaker 1: think they're streaky well, and it wouldn't surprise me that
Speaker 1: they're coming out of the gates a little slow. They
Speaker 1: have a game against the cardinals last weekend, rewatching that
Speaker 1: last play. They blitz, which is a little different for them.
Speaker 1: They bring Bobby Wagner on a looping stunt and it
Speaker 1: ends up being Aaron Donald who really pushed his offensive
Speaker 1: lineman into Mariota's lap, and I was wondering that wasn't
Speaker 1: a bad decision by Mariota to go for that jump
Speaker 1: ball to Brian Edwards, who's a big guy. He just
Speaker 1: threw it a little high, and the reason he threw
Speaker 1: it a little high because Aaron Donald pushed, pushed an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman right into him as he's throwing it. Are
Speaker 1: you concerned all about the fact that the rams are imbalanced?
Speaker 1: It's it's weeks in a row these this season, but
Speaker 1: dating back to last year, where their run game is
Speaker 1: not a difference making unit. Yeah, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I don't know what to say. You see
Speaker 1: him hands off. I think Sean McVeigh has has not doubts,
Speaker 1: but he wants to run the ball well. That needs
Speaker 1: to be the foundation of a good rams offense. They're
Speaker 1: not a great rams offense yet and he's that's something
Speaker 1: they gotta Want Twenty six times. So that tells you
Speaker 1: there's an intention to do it for two point five
Speaker 1: yards per carry, and I like I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: come out of this segment. There's also a Brandon Powell
Speaker 1: carry for negative. That's going to mess factors in, but
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to come out as some sort of
Speaker 1: alarmists compared to you being completely calm about it. I
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care if there I'll see what
Speaker 1: happens to the rams, but see pretty because it's just
Speaker 1: like I just check out the know how you feel
Speaker 1: about I think rams fans like cannot be loving what
Speaker 1: the first two weeks of the season is urrive in
Speaker 1: advance that this whole September. I still kind of in
Speaker 1: the vibe that it's kind of the preseason. I mean
Speaker 1: there's a lot of entertainment, there's excitement, you gotta stack
Speaker 1: some wins, but it's like these teams are going to
Speaker 1: be so different December. Here's the good takeaways. Mark Real quick.
Speaker 1: Matt Stafford was way better in this game. Had Two interceptions.
Speaker 1: Was Way better. Cooper Cup still uncoverable. Alan Robinson, after
Speaker 1: a terrible week. One got opened made some places had
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Had another touchdown. I got waved off because
Speaker 1: of some fougazzy official whistle blow that blew the play had.
Speaker 1: This is a win they got. You know what else?
Speaker 1: We got? Got a nice little performance by the Fox
Speaker 1: color man, a young one once upon a time, young
Speaker 1: upstart quarterback named Mark Sanchez, now doing for the jets. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the big, big jets. Sunday. Here's Mark Sanchez. I got
Speaker 1: two clips of Sanchez, who just brought a lot of
Speaker 1: material into the booth with Kevin Coogler. Let's listen in
Speaker 1: to the first one. Matthew Stafford off the play fake
Speaker 1: in the SCONIC. you called it Mark Sanchez. Expect to
Speaker 1: see scarronic. What do we say about his last name?
Speaker 1: Like Xertech, like PRILO SAC ask your doctor about scaronic.
Speaker 1: Side effects may include catches in the flat gains of
Speaker 1: eight yards. How about that? No, no, no. And then
Speaker 1: then Sanchez reaches deeper into the bag and he says
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna Bring in some little risk ay comedy
Speaker 1: into your living room out of Sun blowing open this
Speaker 1: whole getting the start at center, I mean Shelton's he's
Speaker 1: clearing out defenders faster than a teenager clears his search
Speaker 1: history on his way. Bros, are holy smokes all over
Speaker 1: the place. At least is the teenager clearing his search history.
Speaker 1: I don't really get it. I just thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: I think we could figure out why. What does that mean?
Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't really get it. I just
Speaker 1: thought somebody writing him this material. That that what if
Speaker 1: someone's writing him, so I think he's writing this himself.
Speaker 1: A teenager. Why does it you know what I think, adults,
Speaker 1: I think searching, clearing your search history. That that that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the teenager was an unfair victim there, but yours who's
Speaker 1: like corny and makes bad jokes but you kind of
Speaker 1: love him for it. I feel like that's I'm kind
Speaker 1: of into the Sanchez Broadcasting Experience. Like I didn't think
Speaker 1: it was gonna go well, to be perfectly honest. But Anyway, Gregg,
Speaker 1: that you cleared your search history, maybe just because you
Speaker 1: want to keep your computer, you know, optimally running. I
Speaker 1: couldn't get something to to work well. So it's very recent,
Speaker 1: I would say this week. All right, it's all gone.
Speaker 1: It was all gone. Yeah, just fury, scously clearing that
Speaker 1: cash at all times. That's that's when I think about
Speaker 1: Gregg in his laptop. All right, let's take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. All right, welcome back. So that
Speaker 1: was the five crazy games that we've seen so far
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Now let's move to the game that we
Speaker 1: thought was gonna be the big game in Sunday. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't quite but still notable. Let's get into it.
Speaker 1: To the Super Dome. Good staff to Brady. Brady looking, looking,
Speaker 1: looking goose of all toward the right corner. Toward the
Speaker 1: right corner. It's called touch top Tampa Bay. Futman, what
Speaker 1: a throw by Brady. Hell, the bucks lead for the
Speaker 1: first time of the game. It's dreams off W F
Speaker 1: us of the call. Yes, Tom Brady started a fight today.
Speaker 1: It led to the ejections of Marcus Lattimore and Mike Evans,
Speaker 1: but then he threw that go ahead touchdown past the
Speaker 1: Brashott Perriman, and that's all that ultimately mattered, because the
Speaker 1: buccaneers get a twenty to ten win over the saints.
Speaker 1: That vision rival Greggy, who's had their number in recent years,
Speaker 1: had brady's number since he came to Tampa Bay. And
Speaker 1: while it wasn't a dominating performance, by time and in actuality,
Speaker 1: another tablet got tossed. He tablet. He got it done
Speaker 1: in a big way. was very showy, I thought. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. I mean, I understand he was upset,
Speaker 1: but it's like we get at this point. How many
Speaker 1: quarterbacks have taken the tablet and waste it across the
Speaker 1: room and you gotta go replace for I found it
Speaker 1: notable because he would remember the first tablet throw with
Speaker 1: the saints, so for it to be now bookended is
Speaker 1: you know, he's big on the tablet throw. He was
Speaker 1: furious and the body language doctors were out like Oh,
Speaker 1: it's like Tom Brady is unhappy. It's like giving off
Speaker 1: negative vibes. I think it's worked for him over the years.
Speaker 1: It's got a lot going on. Somebody said that he
Speaker 1: might be quiet quitting, which is the thing. Just was
Speaker 1: like he's so miserable, he's this, and I'm like this
Speaker 1: is how he's looked on a football field when things
Speaker 1: haven't gone well also came on the same day Greg
Speaker 1: that Ian Rapid wort reported. Now it's it's now a
Speaker 1: permanent thing that he's just not going to be with
Speaker 1: the team on Wednesdays at all. Okay, there's a lot
Speaker 1: going there's a lot going on in his life. Can
Speaker 1: you accept that? That is absolutely true, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it has anything to do with what happened on
Speaker 1: the field. What happened on the field today. He's on
Speaker 1: the opposite Hash when he throws that game winner, what
Speaker 1: I would call the game winner, to Preshad Perriman, because
Speaker 1: at that point we're just waiting someone make a play.
Speaker 1: In this game receivers had a lot of chances. I
Speaker 1: think Tom Brady threw the ball quite well in this game.
Speaker 1: He's on the opposite Hash backing up it. Throws it
Speaker 1: about forty, forty five yards on the line. That throws
Speaker 1: Perraman open at the last second. That is an elite
Speaker 1: arms strength throw from Tom Brady and it reminded me
Speaker 1: a little bit, the throw was different, but of the
Speaker 1: over of the game winner to Kenbrell Tompkins to go
Speaker 1: steal a game against the saints about fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: Like these are the types of plays Tom Brady makes
Speaker 1: in an absolute big spot. He makes players like Brisade
Speaker 1: Pyramian better. So, like on a day where I was
Speaker 1: just kind of like waiting, let's someone make a play here,
Speaker 1: make a play, it was Brady, it was pyramid and
Speaker 1: then it was Jamal Dean, who made two of the
Speaker 1: better interceptions you'll ever see a cornerback make. Yes, it
Speaker 1: was a bad day for Jamis Winston, but it took
Speaker 1: two terrific plays by Dean it to start the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: This was a game, by the way, that was three,
Speaker 1: three in the fourth quarter before before they broken. and
Speaker 1: You bring up a great point, because it's very easy,
Speaker 1: whenever it's the bucks just caught up, get caught up
Speaker 1: in Brady land and you just focus on how did
Speaker 1: Brady play, how did he look, what was going on
Speaker 1: in the sideline, what's going on with his wife, and
Speaker 1: you forget about the reason why the bucks won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl two years ago, the reason why they very,
Speaker 1: very nearly got back last year, is because Brady went
Speaker 1: to a team that just got a great defense and
Speaker 1: todd bowls and, by the way, sneaky weird sideline game.
Speaker 1: Bruce Arians bizarre arguing with officials, Jason Light hugging people
Speaker 1: on the sideline at the end of the game. Its
Speaker 1: areas a Don Zimmer moment. When they had that fight,
Speaker 1: I was like get Arians out of them. He decided
Speaker 1: like he just wants to inject himself back into the
Speaker 1: head coach, he wants to come back. Do you think
Speaker 1: Tom Brady wants Bruce Arians on the side? I think
Speaker 1: that six sacks for the bucks, three interceptions, two fumble recoveries,
Speaker 1: they had a touchdown on a pick six and mark,
Speaker 1: we just talked about it on the Thursday, show that
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why the saints were a compelling
Speaker 1: team and they're still a compelling team, is because this
Speaker 1: idea that Jamis Winston has come here and in the
Speaker 1: last two seasons and limited time, has not been the
Speaker 1: turnover machine. And yet he threw two very bucksy UH
Speaker 1: interceptions referring to his time with that team, including a
Speaker 1: Grizzly pick six, which obviously has been his pointe in
Speaker 1: his career. It's a classic week to flip the switch
Speaker 1: to the other reality, because I thought he played two
Speaker 1: of his best best quarter ever against last week against
Speaker 1: the Falcons, and so I did have a thought that
Speaker 1: maybe Jamis Winston had turn a corner because of what
Speaker 1: we saw last year in this offense and the often
Speaker 1: was more improved. But he's he's a streaky quarterback, I think. Again,
Speaker 1: you're playing a bucks defense that is going to cause
Speaker 1: a lot of problems and he was playing with four
Speaker 1: fractures in his back and I know it's like he
Speaker 1: looked fine, but it's like we don't know what he's
Speaker 1: dealing with. He came out, it came out of last
Speaker 1: week saying that he was hurting all over the place.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's the Kuy thing you learned about
Speaker 1: after the season. What what Winston was dealing with and
Speaker 1: why this? This is this? This were terrible. I mean
Speaker 1: he was so off. Olave had was wide open a
Speaker 1: couple of times deep. He just missed it. Anything down
Speaker 1: the field he missed it just quickly on that that
Speaker 1: bowls of signs we've been seeing. The touch, I think,
Speaker 1: the experience of their coverage unit, the depth and the
Speaker 1: continuity and the youth, by the way of guys like
Speaker 1: Carlton Davis, who had a great game in Windfield and
Speaker 1: dean allows todd bowls to mix up so much upfront.
Speaker 1: They blitzed the hell out of Jamis Winston and the
Speaker 1: Saints Offensive Line Today. They threw everything out him because
Speaker 1: they trusted the guys in the back end to hold up,
Speaker 1: and they really did and they made plays. It really
Speaker 1: was a buck secondary type of win. And let me
Speaker 1: just say again it was so weird at one point
Speaker 1: to look at the screen and see Bruce Arians basically
Speaker 1: on the field jawing at an official. This is the
Speaker 1: former head coach of the team and now an advisory
Speaker 1: Roll of some kind with the club. Todd Bowles is
Speaker 1: the head coach. What the Hell is the former head
Speaker 1: coach who, by the way, you don't need to read
Speaker 1: between the line, got pushed out of that job, and
Speaker 1: you could argue right by Tom Brady, who came out
Speaker 1: of retirement after Bruce Arians went upstairs. Now he's on
Speaker 1: the field. Maybe that's why it's one thing like I mean,
Speaker 1: he is essentially Todd Bowles his mentor for his entire career.
Speaker 1: Somebody do get along. But I would love to see
Speaker 1: in general, if every team that had a new coach
Speaker 1: had to have one season where the fired coach got
Speaker 1: to just walk up and down the sideline creating his
Speaker 1: type of this is not that far from Zinski back
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Oh, by the way, two of the best
Speaker 1: players in this game, Mike Evans and Marshall Latimer, got
Speaker 1: into a and they both got kicked out. It was
Speaker 1: at that point when, for some reason, the bucks took over.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a one to one thing that happened,
Speaker 1: but I do like that all of that fight happened
Speaker 1: because Tom Brady, as always, was kind of moaning to
Speaker 1: the officials and one of the Saints Uh Defensive Backs
Speaker 1: walked by him and kind of, you know, made some noise,
Speaker 1: and then the bucks got upset, Evans got upset and
Speaker 1: that's where it all started. So maybe maybe Brady did
Speaker 1: that out of that game. No, I agree. And Julio
Speaker 1: Jones didn't play in this game either. So or or
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara and Mark Ingram, I thought, really didn't take
Speaker 1: advantage of the big holes that the saints were opening up.
Speaker 1: I know he went tent for sixty, but all I
Speaker 1: was thinking was, man, if if Camara was in this game,
Speaker 1: he might have broken up. Are we seeing an uptake
Speaker 1: and an up taking, a wave of like major injury
Speaker 1: announcements on Sunday morning. Yeah, I think, I think there's
Speaker 1: something contributing to that. Like we're on the Thursday show.
Speaker 1: We're talking about how great Julio Jones looked and how
Speaker 1: great he could be in that offense if he just
Speaker 1: stays eldye that he's not playing three days later. These
Speaker 1: teams are they're tricky. Let's move on. Let's head to
Speaker 1: the meadow lands. Another narrow win for a team three
Speaker 1: tied at sixteen. S NAP is good. Kick on its
Speaker 1: way and over Ren. It's about that. This this's it
Speaker 1: is good. Can I from fifty six yards out that
Speaker 1: with three thirty four to Goo, the giants lead at
Speaker 1: Nineteen Sixteen. So what a day for New York Sports
Speaker 1: Judge Hits Fifty eight and fifty nine. The jets come
Speaker 1: back on the brownies. Hullo Jimon get the fifty six
Speaker 1: yard field goal from Graham Gono, then hold on to
Speaker 1: beat the Panthers Nineteen Sixteen at the meadow lands. Now
Speaker 1: welcome in a great friend. He's taken ladies hands off
Speaker 1: the merchandise. Nick shook jookie. The New York giants are
Speaker 1: two and Oh. For the first time since sixteen. You're
Speaker 1: buying I'm not buying necessarily over the course of the season,
Speaker 1: but I'm buying the hype in terms of the excitement.
Speaker 1: Everybody's excited about giants football again, big blue. It's something
Speaker 1: to look forward to on a Sunday. Brian Dables down
Speaker 1: there getting fired up and getting all demonstrative on the sideline.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm no, it's not entirely snarky. I think
Speaker 1: they're fun to watch. They're fun to watch like the
Speaker 1: Lions are fun to watch, a team that maybe turns
Speaker 1: the corner in the next couple of years with some
Speaker 1: more talent. But you like what they have in their
Speaker 1: head coach and you like how they've inspired their teams
Speaker 1: to turn around, because the giants have been a disaster
Speaker 1: for the last few years with their head coaching changes
Speaker 1: and just it's just been depressing watching them. They've had
Speaker 1: an air of just sadness around them and they are
Speaker 1: not that this year. They're fun and they forced turnovers.
Speaker 1: They forced to today they played Toe to toe with
Speaker 1: the panthers and there was a lot of field goals
Speaker 1: and they happen to have the kicker who made it
Speaker 1: from fifty plus to beat his old team and that
Speaker 1: was essentially the difference, and great, exactly. Yeah, Greg, you
Speaker 1: you were saying is we went into the season that
Speaker 1: the giants, when you make the case out there there's
Speaker 1: some frisky pieces on this offense, the defense could be
Speaker 1: a disaster, and so far that hasn't been the case. No,
Speaker 1: it hasn't. I'd love to hear from you. Took what
Speaker 1: you thought of their game plan, because it seems to
Speaker 1: me that, Don Wink Martindale, it's just kind of throwing
Speaker 1: the kitchen sink, like it's like the underman college team
Speaker 1: that just tries to win with scheme. And I know
Speaker 1: they were short Leonard Williams at some point today and
Speaker 1: that like maybe that's working. At least it's working when
Speaker 1: you're playing Baker Mayfield. Yeah, Lost Leonard Williams during this game.
Speaker 1: They didn't have calon thibodeau already. So like they get
Speaker 1: savvy with their scheme. You know, at one point they
Speaker 1: send Julian love off of blitz and he kind of
Speaker 1: hides behind the line, sneaks in there and gets a
Speaker 1: key sack. It was that type of game for them defensively.
Speaker 1: But really what they did is they took a page
Speaker 1: out of what the browns did against the panthers last
Speaker 1: week and what teams have been doing against Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: from the majority of his career, which is that passes
Speaker 1: down to the line of scrimmage take away his windows
Speaker 1: and his viewing angles to see guys downfield, force him
Speaker 1: out of the pocket, force him to get frantic, as
Speaker 1: he does when he can't see out of the pocket,
Speaker 1: when it's starting to collapse around him, and make him
Speaker 1: speed him up, make him make mistakes. I thought the
Speaker 1: entire game was captured in one play. It was third
Speaker 1: on in the second half, might have even been the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, where all Baker's gonna do is complete the
Speaker 1: ball in the flat. He's got his guy at the stakes.
Speaker 1: They can move, the chains continue to drive and because
Speaker 1: he's under pressure and has been dealing with it for
Speaker 1: the majority of the day, he rips a bullet to
Speaker 1: the absolute peak of his receiver's catch radius, but too
Speaker 1: high to catch it with a defender right there, and
Speaker 1: they're forced to to punt it away. It was actually
Speaker 1: pretty late there, so in the game, I recall now.
Speaker 1: So you attack him, you force him to make mistakes
Speaker 1: and pressure him and get him uncomfortable and hope that
Speaker 1: that pans out for them, and it did for, you know,
Speaker 1: the giants. Today. I want to flip it over to
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones because imperfect quarterback. We all get that. But
Speaker 1: I feel like two weeks in a row I see moments, elements.
Speaker 1: I love the bootleg to end the game, essentially, where
Speaker 1: I think there's an element that Brian Day bald is
Speaker 1: a quarterback whisper to some degree. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to degree with with Daniel Jones, but it's a better
Speaker 1: product and there's more healthy players around him, my guests,
Speaker 1: than in years past. But do you think that that
Speaker 1: there's a chance that Daniel Jones can go put together
Speaker 1: his best season because of the coaching around him? I
Speaker 1: would say that is a chance, but they the ceiling
Speaker 1: for that is not as high as you might expect
Speaker 1: because some of the play calling with Daniel Jones is
Speaker 1: still you know, this is not Josh Allen and maybe
Speaker 1: he's trying to work in a little bit of Josh
Speaker 1: Allen Scheme offensively where they run a readoption and it
Speaker 1: just gets blown up in the backfield because he's not
Speaker 1: the same type of athlete and he gets you know,
Speaker 1: dable and his staff get a little. You know, Mike
Speaker 1: CAFF can get a little over ambitious with what they
Speaker 1: have at quarterback, but I do see a better version
Speaker 1: of Daniel Jones, one that's not so contained within a
Speaker 1: traditional offense or the schemes of past quarterbacks, I mean
Speaker 1: of Bass coaches, and instead allowing him to flourish a
Speaker 1: little bit. That touchdown drive that they had, he throws
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass to the tight end Belinger, his first
Speaker 1: touchdown of his career. Uh, you know, just it was
Speaker 1: good design, good execution. There are moments where it's like that.
Speaker 1: There are all some moments where you're reminded that it
Speaker 1: is Daniel Jones and maybe he's not the most accurate
Speaker 1: at the end. And that was a scramble. That was
Speaker 1: that was playmaking the wheels was not a play call.
Speaker 1: That's twice in a row he's had some game winning plays. And,
Speaker 1: by the way, they speaking of icing their icing Kenny Golladay.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're going to release him or not,
Speaker 1: but they decided not to play him. Essentially that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money, a lot of invested in
Speaker 1: the Dave Gentleman era is a messy woman. The giants
Speaker 1: are moving forward. And yes, the panthers and now lost
Speaker 1: two games to start the season by a total of
Speaker 1: five points, which you could point to as a positive
Speaker 1: on some level, but then you remember this is year
Speaker 1: three from Matt Rule. Eleven losses year one, twelve year
Speaker 1: losses year two, and now off to an O and
Speaker 1: two start year three. That seat is going to keep
Speaker 1: getting warmer. Let's move now, Shoogie, to the other game
Speaker 1: you got an eye on. And by the way, check
Speaker 1: out nick shuts right up. Who locked that? I did so,
Speaker 1: and Greg called it a terrible lock and it really
Speaker 1: even the standings because last week I was the only
Speaker 1: one to miss my lock and coetition works a great
Speaker 1: story for you, Greg. You. Yeah, you kind of were
Speaker 1: dunking on graver. So He's right. He deserves a little
Speaker 1: pop there. Absolutely lost that game. He would not have
Speaker 1: let us know the result, but that's fine all right.
Speaker 1: So now, Choo check out all shooks write ups. He
Speaker 1: does great work in NFL DOT COM, uh, covering games.
Speaker 1: He's helping us out. As you know, every Sunday another
Speaker 1: game he was tracking. Mile high stated very weird vibes
Speaker 1: and mile high. Let's get to it. Play fake for
Speaker 1: us he looks, he flows one, he wants sober. Sober
Speaker 1: is there. He wats to catch, to defer Eric Soberg
Speaker 1: his first catch of the season. Dave logo with a
Speaker 1: Call K oh. Yeah, we've been trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how did the broncos get their offense clicking in the
Speaker 1: red zone, and then we remember Doy Eric Sobern. Throw
Speaker 1: it to Eric Sobern, who had the touchdown catch, and
Speaker 1: it was it was what the broncos needed desperately and
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson desperately needed and desperately needed for Nathaniel hacket,
Speaker 1: perhaps most of ball, the head coach of the Broncos,
Speaker 1: a sixteen nine win. Um shookie, before I bring you
Speaker 1: in on this, I do have in my hand and
Speaker 1: please feel free to add to it, because I know
Speaker 1: you were tracking this well. I saw your tweets. I
Speaker 1: called the Hackett file, and the Hackett file has all
Speaker 1: the bad stuff that's going on with the broncos. So
Speaker 1: before we get to the good stuff, we can't not
Speaker 1: talk about what was going on in that building, uh,
Speaker 1: the hacket file, for a week two and of course
Speaker 1: we know what happened in week one on the end
Speaker 1: of end of the game against Seattle and Hackett took
Speaker 1: the blame their kind of in this game. He had
Speaker 1: a fourth and two in the third quarter. Sends the
Speaker 1: field cold team out late. Brandon McManus makes the field
Speaker 1: goal but the play clock expired. Flag delay of game.
Speaker 1: They have to punt it away. Fourth quarter. Nine to play.
Speaker 1: This the Hackett file, if you're just tuning in play.
Speaker 1: They force a punt the broncos defense, but no returners
Speaker 1: on the field for Tenver so they have to burn
Speaker 1: a second time a time out in a close game
Speaker 1: to get a punt returner back. Then they burn their
Speaker 1: final time out, uh to avoid a delay of game
Speaker 1: penalty on what, let's say, to the same time, shook
Speaker 1: second and sixteen, and that finally ut penalties for over
Speaker 1: a hundred yards in this game, after twelve penalties in
Speaker 1: week one. That is twenty five penalties in two weeks.
Speaker 1: And now I throw it to you, choke, because despite
Speaker 1: all that they gotta win. But my goodness, Danny, you
Speaker 1: have a card. You're gonna need many cards with the
Speaker 1: way this is trending this season. It's something that it's
Speaker 1: gonna be kind of fun and intriguing to track, because
Speaker 1: it's both hilarious and also fascinating, because how low can
Speaker 1: a coach stoop in his first year in terms of performance? Because,
Speaker 1: I mean, we can you know market a market attest
Speaker 1: to this. Freddie Kitchens, love the Guy Personally, but did
Speaker 1: not have a great single season as a head coach.
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett is blowing him out of the water in
Speaker 1: terms of how bad you could be as a rookie
Speaker 1: head coach. When he comes to decision making during a game,
Speaker 1: it's not as if you know they're just committing penalties
Speaker 1: or they're just struggling to get the play in, but
Speaker 1: there he's struggling to make basic decisions. When he comes
Speaker 1: to clock management, situational personnel being out there, it basically
Speaker 1: spans the entire spectrum of this. It's it's incredible, to
Speaker 1: the point that Broncos fans felt it was necessary to
Speaker 1: start counting down the play clock for the broncos defense
Speaker 1: every play loudly shook. It doesn't get worse than that.
Speaker 1: It doesn't get worse than that. We're a week two
Speaker 1: and we already have booze directed at Russell Wilson, which
Speaker 1: is about is amazing a development is one would have
Speaker 1: imagined two months ago. I mean, I think it's at
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. There were some I mean it's the play call.
Speaker 1: It's more I think there was a lot of I
Speaker 1: think and shook. Correct me if I'm wrong on this one.
Speaker 1: In your opinion, there was a lot of frustration built
Speaker 1: up from everything that transpired on Monday night last week
Speaker 1: and then for the team to come out and again
Speaker 1: look sloppy and not quite prepared. I think Wilson is
Speaker 1: tied in with that, and their struggles in the red
Speaker 1: zone continued. That's part of it, but I think it's
Speaker 1: more this idea that broncos fans are suspicious about this
Speaker 1: regime early on. Yeah, it actually really does remind me
Speaker 1: of the twenty nineteen season in Cleveland, because it's kind
Speaker 1: of the same thing. Offseason moves, build all this optimism
Speaker 1: and then they failed to produce and they look like
Speaker 1: a disorganized mess on the field for the majority of
Speaker 1: the season. That's what these broncos look like. You traded
Speaker 1: for Russell Wilson, you expect to be competitive in a
Speaker 1: very competitive division and you can't get the basics of
Speaker 1: football down. So, while they won this game, I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: guys right now, this is no huge knock on Houston.
Speaker 1: We know who they are as a football team. If
Speaker 1: they were playing I don't know, twenty eight of the
Speaker 1: other teams the NFL, they probably lose this game. They
Speaker 1: shot themselves in the foot that many times and you
Speaker 1: can't do that over the course of the season, especially
Speaker 1: not in this division. I hear you, but it has
Speaker 1: to be noted that you outgained your opponents significantly for
Speaker 1: the second straight week now. Yeah, you might have played
Speaker 1: two of the least explosive offenses in the NFL when
Speaker 1: it comes down to it, but they've controlled these two games.
Speaker 1: So this is sort of where I'm getting back to
Speaker 1: September's preseason. Like they just need to get through this patch,
Speaker 1: even if it's at two and two, and, like I
Speaker 1: I would expect these sort of issues will be cleaned
Speaker 1: up by November December. This is different than the rams
Speaker 1: working their way through September, because the problem here is
Speaker 1: like to your point with Freddie kitchens another first year coaches,
Speaker 1: where they seem underwaters. The coaching decisions are getting in
Speaker 1: the way and becoming massive narratives that we have to
Speaker 1: talk about. That that's not what you were hoping from
Speaker 1: with Nathaniel hacking and his exciting press conferences during the summer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can win and lose games in those situations, guys,
Speaker 1: and you can especially win and lose games when you're
Speaker 1: in goal to goost situation and you don't know to
Speaker 1: hand the ball to one year two good running backs.
Speaker 1: I mean it's first and ten, they throw the ball
Speaker 1: or first and goal, they throw the ball, don't get there.
Speaker 1: Second and goal from the five, four yard game by
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams. What do they do on third and goal
Speaker 1: from the One? They attempt to throw it again. I
Speaker 1: mean this is this is part of the frustration, their
Speaker 1: issues in goal to go situations. So that's got to
Speaker 1: be cleaned up too, and that situational decisions. That quickly.
Speaker 1: The worst thing that happened, I think, for them was
Speaker 1: Jerry Judy and pats or ten both left and did
Speaker 1: not return, told injuries, so you gotta check in on
Speaker 1: their status is this week goes on. And yes, the
Speaker 1: fact that they got Houston to work through their stuff
Speaker 1: right now and get the w this would have been
Speaker 1: a very different scene. If another loss, there'd be the
Speaker 1: talk of the NFL in a bad way after this game.
Speaker 1: So fortunate for Denver. They get it done. Shook, you
Speaker 1: always get it done. Thank you, my friend. Let us
Speaker 1: take a break and we'll be right back. All right,
Speaker 1: we're back. Let's move on. Here's a play action by Garoppolo,
Speaker 1: looks laughing to throw wide open rost welly. He'll take
Speaker 1: it five Rost Welli will die for the zern touch down.
Speaker 1: San Friend SAYSCO welcome back, Jimmy Garoppolo. Jimmy Garoppolo. What's
Speaker 1: going on here? Greg Papa with the call. Can B R? Yes,
Speaker 1: it was Jimmy G to Ross de Welly for thirty
Speaker 1: eight yards and the score in a seven laugher over
Speaker 1: the sea hawks. Because Tray Lance is no more unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He suffers a lower leg injury. It's a broken right ankle.
Speaker 1: On the second drive of the game. Uh, the twenty
Speaker 1: two year olds second season is already over. Let's hear
Speaker 1: from Kyle Shanahan, who obviously was extremely disappointed with how
Speaker 1: things went down. So it's tough. It was you feel
Speaker 1: for someone so bad. It's very it's a sad moment um,
Speaker 1: but you don't have time to sit there and UM
Speaker 1: think about it. You gotta get right back to the
Speaker 1: game and I thought the guys did a really good
Speaker 1: job of that. But Um, and we're real happy about
Speaker 1: the win, but it was a little sombring once you
Speaker 1: get in the locker room and you see him and stuff.
Speaker 1: So so Shanahan. The the whole idea of the niners
Speaker 1: set up here, Um, Greg, was for Trey Lance to
Speaker 1: take this offense and take it to a higher place
Speaker 1: than Jimmy Garoppolo was already able to take it. And
Speaker 1: now here we are. It's almost surreal. It's Jimmy g
Speaker 1: asked now to get them back to the puper bowl.
Speaker 1: It's like five, yeah, five quarters in, we're right back
Speaker 1: toe and you hurt for Trey Lance and you hear
Speaker 1: the frustration in Kyle Shanahan's voice, because it is football,
Speaker 1: you know, it's qb power. Now, do you run like
Speaker 1: a power running scheme with many quarterbacks? No, and I
Speaker 1: think last week there were. There were. Sometimes trailiance has
Speaker 1: been worried because he's running plays like Josh Allen and
Speaker 1: Cam Newton. I think running the play that he got
Speaker 1: hurt on. It, as Shanahan just said, he could have
Speaker 1: handed it off Um to the running back. That who
Speaker 1: was going wide on the game. He decided not to.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the right read really,
Speaker 1: because he didn't have much uh in front of him,
Speaker 1: but it's just bad luck. He takes a bad hit
Speaker 1: and their team is gonna change so much. And yet
Speaker 1: you don't get the feeling that their expectations should change,
Speaker 1: like they dramatically changed even within this game, who they were.
Speaker 1: But they didn't dramatically change dominating every facet of this game.
Speaker 1: Before Lance left, they had run fifteen plays, they had
Speaker 1: called three passes and then those three passes were effective,
Speaker 1: by the way, and he's going for ten yards. But
Speaker 1: they're running up and down the field, with Lance being
Speaker 1: a huge part of that running game and the threat
Speaker 1: of him running being a huge part of it. In
Speaker 1: deebo Samuel having some early runs and they're going up
Speaker 1: and down the field. Then Jimmy Garoppolo comes in and
Speaker 1: it's just steady as she goes. It's, you know, calling
Speaker 1: about equal runs and passes, moving the ball like they
Speaker 1: wanted to, and I seen this game easily. So they're
Speaker 1: they're a totally different team, and yet there's still a
Speaker 1: super bowl contender and I'm not sure like I can
Speaker 1: think of an exact, uh, analog to that in recent
Speaker 1: NFL history where your quarterback changes but it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I think they're they're gonna be about the same. Well, right,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's very it's its own unique situation. How
Speaker 1: about Nick Foles? Yeah, but you would never have thought
Speaker 1: that at the time. In fact, we got into a
Speaker 1: huge argument on this very podcast with west trying to say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, does this team even have a hope of
Speaker 1: being competitive when you get to the playoffs? Yeah, you're right,
Speaker 1: it ended up that way. I just mean they're they're
Speaker 1: gonna be different. It's gonna look so different. But the
Speaker 1: fact that Jimmy G can go in there and, as
Speaker 1: Shanahan told the sideline reporter, Christina Pink, like we didn't
Speaker 1: need to uh, they changed their play book entirely. They
Speaker 1: just ripped it up. But they have four years with
Speaker 1: this guy and they can just call in all those
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Like, I mean I can see how
Speaker 1: emotional Shanahan is because they've gone they've been on this
Speaker 1: journey with Trey Lance and there was a lot of
Speaker 1: work put into it and a lot of comment on
Speaker 1: it invested, but I would imagine that the vast majority
Speaker 1: of the offensive roster simply feels more comfort with Jimmy
Speaker 1: G in there. I mean there's at least a lot
Speaker 1: of you know what you're getting, and it almost was
Speaker 1: like the offense returned to what it needed to be.
Speaker 1: This is a dominant team. I for the forty niners,
Speaker 1: beyond the traumatic nature of losing, what it needed to be,
Speaker 1: because to me they're they're off. I mean he had
Speaker 1: two drives today. I don't think he played poorly last
Speaker 1: week either. It just will never know. It'll be another
Speaker 1: year of not knowing. We won't know, and so I
Speaker 1: guess that's you're right, it's it's it's an unfilled space.
Speaker 1: But I mean I just find it strange that we
Speaker 1: spent I think I said on this show like thirty
Speaker 1: five times that perhaps the way that Jimmy g winds
Speaker 1: up starting somewhere else is that a quarterback injury of
Speaker 1: high nature occurs on another team. In the end, you know,
Speaker 1: quarters into the season, it happened to the niners self. Irony. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's wasn't. It wasn't what I was predicting.
Speaker 1: That irony that it ended up I think a little
Speaker 1: Bit San Francisco, and it's that definitely great fortune for
Speaker 1: the niners, as bad as miss as unfortunate today's events are,
Speaker 1: that their season is not over right now. Because if
Speaker 1: they trade Jimmy G to Charlotte or Seattle or whatever
Speaker 1: and they have some Sudfeld or whatever, the season felt.
Speaker 1: They gave him two million dollars guaranteed. If he had
Speaker 1: a better camp, they might have gotten rid of they didn't.
Speaker 1: The Sea in his over. And yet it is not over.
Speaker 1: They have a chance, but still a big bummer all right.
Speaker 1: And on the game side of things, Greg what did
Speaker 1: you see? I know it seems like the Geno sons
Speaker 1: took on a little bit of water um situation, situation
Speaker 1: for Gino, the only the only seven points they scored
Speaker 1: were on a return of a black field goal. GENO's
Speaker 1: numbers are not bad. They were overmatched in zero, zero points.
Speaker 1: If you're a seahawks fan, this was like your worst
Speaker 1: fears coming true. In all they seem so overmatched in
Speaker 1: every matchup. Run defense past defense. Anytime they threw a
Speaker 1: ball up in a one on one situation it was
Speaker 1: a penalty. It could have been like forty to zero.
Speaker 1: It was that one sided. When forty niners put Bosa Armstead,
Speaker 1: Omena who and Drake Jackson on the field together, who
Speaker 1: are all pass rushers, it's like their NASCAR pass it
Speaker 1: was like lights out. There was not literally one area
Speaker 1: of the game where the seas looked competitive. All right,
Speaker 1: so you had your Monday night frolic with Gino last
Speaker 1: week and there was one week. And just hold on
Speaker 1: a second. Do you see on any level, because I
Speaker 1: think Gino played well in that game and I think
Speaker 1: he's a fair enough quarterback where you can win some
Speaker 1: games with him. But I mean it's a patch. Do
Speaker 1: you not feel to some degree that there's a real
Speaker 1: ceiling with the whole offense, with the way they're constructed
Speaker 1: right now? They're gonna need to improve. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: never said anything other than he's sort of that mid
Speaker 1: level quarterback that's gonna rise and fall case scenario, right,
Speaker 1: because that's not we're not getting mid level play after
Speaker 1: the first half week one. That's all I actually think.
Speaker 1: If if you want like PFF AL grade, I'm fine
Speaker 1: in this game now that that means every offensive least.
Speaker 1: This was not uh this. I'm worried because the defense
Speaker 1: also looks so overmatched the last couple. Maybe even Dj
Speaker 1: Dallas looking totally frazzled. fullback option pass into the end zone.
Speaker 1: That gets picked off. All right, let us now move
Speaker 1: on to Ford field. Goff's back. Washington brings the pressure.
Speaker 1: Goff rows its complete. The swift falls. Now gets back
Speaker 1: up and runs, gets south to tap hold the house. Touchdown.
Speaker 1: The lions the seat of his path to the end zone.
Speaker 1: Love a Dan Miller with a called W X Y t.
Speaker 1: It took till week thirteen for the Lions to win
Speaker 1: their first game in one this year. They got out
Speaker 1: of the way early. deandre swift found the end zone.
Speaker 1: Jard Goff two through. Two of his four touchdown passes
Speaker 1: to a mom Ross St Brown. Aiden Hutchinson, the number
Speaker 1: two overall pick. had three sacks added up. Thirty six
Speaker 1: seven lions over the commander's Greggy. I think I could
Speaker 1: feel it a little juice coming from Greg world watching
Speaker 1: the lions lay to day. Yeah, it's fun to have
Speaker 1: a fun lines this way to explain that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know juics in Greg's world, but this was very
Speaker 1: your history. This was like a coaching game on both sides.
Speaker 1: Like this was coaching dominance, I think on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball that the lions defense got after and
Speaker 1: totally confused Wentz and the commanders early. They didn't have
Speaker 1: a first down for the first five drives. Meanwhile, like
Speaker 1: their aggressiveness detroits on offense. I was really taken by there.
Speaker 1: There was a drive at twenty two to nothing late
Speaker 1: in the first half where they threw it three straight times.
Speaker 1: Didn't work at all. It was under a minute left,
Speaker 1: but most coaches would have played it conservatively. They're they're
Speaker 1: having gof throw bombs and I'm like this is a
Speaker 1: different Dan Campbell. Then in the second half it's twenty
Speaker 1: two to fifteen, the commanders are making a comeback and
Speaker 1: you get the ball to Aman Ross St Brown on
Speaker 1: an end around. You get the ball to deandre swift,
Speaker 1: who had a touchdown where he fell down and then
Speaker 1: gets back up like Aman raised Ras St Brown had
Speaker 1: what a hundred and seventy four yards in this game?
Speaker 1: Swift had eight, seven on only seven touches. They have
Speaker 1: legit playmakers and every time went uh tried to make
Speaker 1: a comeback, the lions immediately went down the field with
Speaker 1: the balls to the wall. Offense and did not let
Speaker 1: Washington totally get back into it. Scoring in the two
Speaker 1: weeks so far. Yeah, well, they so. They've put up
Speaker 1: thirty five plus points in three straight games for the
Speaker 1: first time since nineteen fifty two, nineteen fifty three. I
Speaker 1: mean that's how long it's been for the lions. I
Speaker 1: think I'll let they're creative. They are the packers backups
Speaker 1: or some nonsense right in week eighteen. Alright, but this
Speaker 1: season I think they show great power and it happens
Speaker 1: in spurts and that's the kind of thing where it's
Speaker 1: like they're gonna be hanging around deep into this season.
Speaker 1: I just feel that way about them. I think they're
Speaker 1: well coached, I feel power, they have a great coaching
Speaker 1: staff and I just I don't know this, they're fun
Speaker 1: to watch. That I was saying to Dan. I think.
Speaker 1: You know, early on in this game, when they had
Speaker 1: two hundred forty one yards to twenty seven for bumbling
Speaker 1: and stumbling Washington, who obviously came back into it with
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. They're they're were one of the more enjoyable
Speaker 1: teams to watch in the League. After two after two weeks,
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, because like that's what we've talked about.
Speaker 1: That's why people enjoyed watching them last year. That's why
Speaker 1: people enjoyed watching them on a hard knocks that's why
Speaker 1: we've enjoyed them from two weeks through two weeks this season. But,
Speaker 1: Greg it's they gotta Win Games. It can't just be
Speaker 1: the field. Good guys that are always close, and Campbell
Speaker 1: said that as much last week after the narrow loss
Speaker 1: um to Philadelphia. So this was this was nice. This
Speaker 1: is important. Winning early is super important for this organization
Speaker 1: and if your a Lin spend you're filled with excitement
Speaker 1: when you get ready for week three because you're in
Speaker 1: the mix. Now, you're a real team, also because these
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be around. And I don't just be
Speaker 1: in on Monroe, St Brown or swift, who was hurt.
Speaker 1: He had an ankle injury. He still ends up going
Speaker 1: for more than ten yards per touch. I mean the
Speaker 1: coaching staff. I thought there coaches gave them real schematic
Speaker 1: advantages on both sides of the ball. I still have
Speaker 1: major questions about their defense. I mean they were missing
Speaker 1: three starting offensive in Detroit. They were missing their best cornerback,
Speaker 1: but they got it done in the end. Aidan Hutchinson
Speaker 1: gets three sacks, and on the day, by the way,
Speaker 1: in the first half, by the way, and they kind
Speaker 1: of were weird sacks, to be fair, kind of where
Speaker 1: Wentz goes too far back and a clean up playing
Speaker 1: another on the stunt. But the hustle was there and, uh,
Speaker 1: the effort from this defense. They're gonna give up points,
Speaker 1: but as long as they keep scoring like this they'll
Speaker 1: be fine. All right, you attempted to disown the Patriots
Speaker 1: on a live program in front of Morris Jones drew,
Speaker 1: but they are your favorite team, Greg you'll always love them,
Speaker 1: and they played a football game today. Do you want
Speaker 1: to talk about it? I don't have much to say
Speaker 1: on this, but I'm looking forward to hearing it from mark.
Speaker 1: All right, let's hit it to hines field, or whatever
Speaker 1: it is now. I can't, I can't keep tracking in
Speaker 1: the pocket. Throws a long ball, but some contact. Fine
Speaker 1: for the store alre touchdown. Patriots, you go. Somebody make
Speaker 1: a play and it's Nelson Agilor on the Chuck Ball.
Speaker 1: Here jokes fills it. It's one on one, but agail
Speaker 1: or elevates and climbs the back up at the fender.
Speaker 1: That's a terrific catch, soundstationally done by Nelson Agilor. That's
Speaker 1: Bob Sochi and a sentsion blue raspberry power aid on
Speaker 1: the call for W B Z. The New England patriots
Speaker 1: off the Mat thanks to Mac Jones connecting with Nelson
Speaker 1: Agilar and that touchdown the only touchdown, or the touchdown
Speaker 1: the Patriots needed to finish off the steelers. Seventeen to fourteen. Mark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and a Sunday filled with great games, this one
Speaker 1: from afar didn't seem like to have a lot of sizzle.
Speaker 1: How did it feel? Watching it? Right, I think if
Speaker 1: you know, Ravens Dolphins gave us something we weren't expecting.
Speaker 1: Cardinals raiders gave us something we weren't expecting. There were
Speaker 1: five other games like that. I thought this played out
Speaker 1: the way that most people would think that it did,
Speaker 1: to struggling offenses attempting to find their footing. I think
Speaker 1: it helped the Patriots a lot that t j watt
Speaker 1: was not in there. UH, their offensive line. If you
Speaker 1: want to take a positive away, towards the end of
Speaker 1: the game, Damian Harrius, Damien Harris, Romandre Stevenson, they put
Speaker 1: the game on their back and just basically closed it
Speaker 1: out behind an offensive line that blocked pretty well in
Speaker 1: the run. Um gave Mac Jones time to throw. Mac
Speaker 1: Jones was sort of all over the map but showed
Speaker 1: good chemistry with Jacobe Myers. You saw the play with
Speaker 1: Nelson agalor. You see it a little bit. I just
Speaker 1: think it's the very streaky and the same applies to
Speaker 1: the steelers, which we expected. Ms Rabinsky to me, I
Speaker 1: mean there were moments where Um, whatever the name of
Speaker 1: the stadium is, Acquisher, I believe u booze, were raining
Speaker 1: down Kenny's, Kenny Pickett. They were calling for Kenny Pickett
Speaker 1: and their offense is very, very limited. They just I
Speaker 1: don't think that they believe that they can be aggressive
Speaker 1: with with Mitch Robiski back there. So you're gonna get
Speaker 1: games like this all year long. Without T J watt,
Speaker 1: you're gonna probably be on the lower side of it. Uh,
Speaker 1: that was my question to you. How many CBS cutaways
Speaker 1: to Kenny Pickett on the sideline did we see? Did
Speaker 1: he ever? was He throwing footballs at any point? Where
Speaker 1: are we at? What was does it feel like this
Speaker 1: is something that could become a conversation, because let me
Speaker 1: look at the team. It's a Thursday night game this week.
Speaker 1: That would today. They had a sub three yards last week,
Speaker 1: uh in their win over Cincinnati. This time two three
Speaker 1: total yards. So they're just not moving the ball. And
Speaker 1: Trobiski was five point one yards for attempt. He gives you.
Speaker 1: He gives you stuff with his legs. We get that. Um,
Speaker 1: you know he he isn't a complete disaster, but it's
Speaker 1: just extremely limited. You just you can't run a full
Speaker 1: offense with him and I don't think they trust him to.
Speaker 1: But I you know, if his first reads taken away,
Speaker 1: he checks it down. There's tons of track. It was
Speaker 1: like it's Pat Friar, Muth or bust. Although deontae Johnson,
Speaker 1: they do have a good connection. Donte Johnson was awesome
Speaker 1: in this game and he was good last week too,
Speaker 1: but good in a way where like he's making mid
Speaker 1: range catches versus deep down the field doing other stuff
Speaker 1: he could do. So I I think with both of
Speaker 1: them there's a long way to go when it comes
Speaker 1: to your attack and what you can expect each week.
Speaker 1: All right, are we good to move on? Did you
Speaker 1: have anything add there? No, I'm ready to move on
Speaker 1: to the next let's head to Duvall, where the colts
Speaker 1: certainly we're gonna get off the Schneid and shake that
Speaker 1: ugly narrative about their inability to beat the Jaguars up.
Speaker 1: Obviously let's let's listen it, of course, coining thru, stacking
Speaker 1: the playing a third trevor under play, fake Crevord, gonna
Speaker 1: run to the right, he's gonna cluer Christ took Kirk.
Speaker 1: That cuts down touchdown path from Trevor Lawrence. Chuck Preuss
Speaker 1: shut her Frank Frangie W O K V. Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: through two touchdown passes. That Kristen Kirk. You heard one
Speaker 1: of them. There Matt Ryan Nowhere to go, nothing to do,
Speaker 1: and the colts, missing some key players, are shut out.
Speaker 1: Four ZIP. That's eight straight home winds Um for the
Speaker 1: Jag wars against the colts, which seems impossible. Grave digger,
Speaker 1: you had your eyes on this game for us. Um
Speaker 1: I was. You know, it was a very busy day,
Speaker 1: a lot going on and when we're putting the show together,
Speaker 1: I just assumed I knew the Jaguars one and it
Speaker 1: wasn't particularly close, but I figured it was like twenty
Speaker 1: four to ten. Four seven to see that the colts
Speaker 1: didn't score a point on Sunday. That is a major
Speaker 1: red flag in Indianapolis right it certainly is. The colts
Speaker 1: do not look like a good football team right now.
Speaker 1: This was not a case of Jacksonville forcing I mean
Speaker 1: they did force a bunch of turnovers, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: like the colts are moving the ball all game long
Speaker 1: and then some fluke play happens in Jacksonville takes over.
Speaker 1: It was the colts had, I think they had three
Speaker 1: straight three an oounts after their first drive, which was
Speaker 1: a productive drive, and then Matt Ryan makes a terrible
Speaker 1: decision to throw a deep cross or didn't see the
Speaker 1: safety lurking who came up and picked him off, and
Speaker 1: then they had three straight three and out followed by
Speaker 1: a five and out to end the first half. Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan sacked three times in the first half. This game
Speaker 1: was pretty much over at halftime and Jacksonville came out
Speaker 1: to start the second half and scored another touchdown to
Speaker 1: make it from there they kind of like went into
Speaker 1: a bit of a shell just to try to bleed
Speaker 1: the clock out and on defense they let the colts
Speaker 1: kind of start driving backing up, not allowing anything over
Speaker 1: the top. Colts go down and have in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter two chances from fourth and goal, two separate drives.
Speaker 1: Failed to convert on both of them. At that point
Speaker 1: the game is pretty much over. Matt Ryan, in desperation mode,
Speaker 1: throws two more horrible interceptions. One of them he was
Speaker 1: hit on and was tipped. But that Jacksonville Defensive Line
Speaker 1: was harassing Matt Ryan All Day. A lot of it
Speaker 1: was Matt Ryan Standing there waiting for his receivers to
Speaker 1: get open, and you do have to wonder how different
Speaker 1: it would be if Michael Pittman had played. But I
Speaker 1: don't think Michael Pittman is a twenty four point difference here.
Speaker 1: So now they were there so limited at wide receiver
Speaker 1: with Michael Pittman. They also were missing Alec Pierce. So
Speaker 1: they're two starting wide receivers are out of this game.
Speaker 1: But it's it's not a good sign when that means
Speaker 1: Ashton Duel and is your number one and that you
Speaker 1: can't like possibly recover from missing a couple of receivers.
Speaker 1: It's been a tough couple of weeks for Ryan. Ryan
Speaker 1: was worse upon reflection and and rewatching in that Texans
Speaker 1: game too. Can Ask your questions because we've been waiting
Speaker 1: for the Trevor Lawrence game and I'm I haven't I
Speaker 1: didn't watch this one closely, but twenty thirty for two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: two five yards. It doesn't include the mistakes we've seen
Speaker 1: in the misfires and most of his starts. Did. Did
Speaker 1: it look like a different situation? It did. Lawrence was
Speaker 1: really decisive. He was getting the ball out quick. The
Speaker 1: colts were running a lot of zone and Lawrence was
Speaker 1: just taking what they were giving him underneath. The Jaguars
Speaker 1: only had three plays over twenty yards in this game.
Speaker 1: One of them was on a first and twenty. Lawrence
Speaker 1: rolled out and hit Christian Kirk on a really nice pass.
Speaker 1: He had a couple of players rolling to his left,
Speaker 1: delivering a really nice across the body throw. But mostly
Speaker 1: it was just kind of this dink and dunk take
Speaker 1: with the defense give you pick up yards after catch
Speaker 1: and Um. It's crazy because the jaguars average four point
Speaker 1: nine yards per play. The colts average four point five
Speaker 1: yards per play. I mean it wasn't like they were
Speaker 1: just hitting explosives all over the colts defense, but the
Speaker 1: jacks ran sixty seven plays to forty eight for the colts.
Speaker 1: and where Lawrence was really impressive was on third down.
Speaker 1: In the first half he uh, he was um fourteen
Speaker 1: for seventeen in the first half. On third down he
Speaker 1: was six of seven for forty seven yards Um and
Speaker 1: converted five of eight third downs. The Jaguars did in
Speaker 1: the first half for eight and throw on third down
Speaker 1: in the second. In the second half they did a
Speaker 1: lot of run, run, pass, bleed out the clock kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, or or like short pass, Short pass, punt.
Speaker 1: But this will be it was impressive. This will game
Speaker 1: will be a major test for the people inside our
Speaker 1: company that handled a condensed game. Uh. It's called, I think,
Speaker 1: game in forty. This needs to come in at thirty one,
Speaker 1: two tops. I could. I could not agree more with you.
Speaker 1: It can not come in at forty. It's an acid test.
Speaker 1: It's crazy too, because this was so one sided in
Speaker 1: week eight. Ten cannot come anything higher. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I know it's uh, there were some erratic editing on
Speaker 1: those game in forties last week. They were making a
Speaker 1: meal out of bears forty niners a lot of weeks.
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is like mostly the length
Speaker 1: of that is not up to the editors. It's just
Speaker 1: kind of how many players there are in that game.
Speaker 1: It's not like you can't get rid of the play,
Speaker 1: especially in this game. The way grammar is explaining it,
Speaker 1: there less than others that Jaguars aren't trying to score.
Speaker 1: Basically in the second half and the and the colts
Speaker 1: can't score, we should be able to knock out that
Speaker 1: second half in seven, eight minutes, I would imagine. Let's
Speaker 1: try for the sake of our imagination, in our our
Speaker 1: interest in this for like any play that is, you know,
Speaker 1: not notable for a loss or is less than a
Speaker 1: two yard game, just wipe it. No one's gonna miss it,
Speaker 1: no one's gonna be like where that one yard Jonathan
Speaker 1: Taylor rose, a lot of those finished the first half
Speaker 1: with five carries for four yards. They really bobbled in great,
Speaker 1: great sink. They're that talented, you know, when you take
Speaker 1: away Shack Leonard and Michael Pittman, of course talented, but
Speaker 1: I just I think you're I don't think there has
Speaker 1: talented and that in that signing that we all kind
Speaker 1: of made fun of or you know, everyone had that
Speaker 1: fun with that Christian Kirk side and you know, you
Speaker 1: know he's not laughing. Anyone that drafted Christen Kirk in
Speaker 1: the middle of your fantasy drafts, he's lighting up the
Speaker 1: scoreboard back to back week or they are laughing because
Speaker 1: it's enjoyable. Right. Well, that's it's a fun laugh. All right,
Speaker 1: let's finish it up with some Sunday night football. What's sorry,
Speaker 1: I forgot to play that while we were doing cults Jags.
Speaker 1: The westling grows locked up the cults. Uh, that did
Speaker 1: not go well. You get two losses for that. Is
Speaker 1: it worse to lock a team that is non competitive
Speaker 1: gets shut out by the Jaguars, or to lock up
Speaker 1: a team that blows a huge lead? They both are
Speaker 1: not great feelings, but I'm sure the Cincinnati Zoo they've
Speaker 1: closed the gates and they're like huddled up trying to
Speaker 1: figure this thing out. You'd have to say that what
Speaker 1: they did suggests that they came in with a lot
Speaker 1: of analysis, a lot of viewpoints about how the game
Speaker 1: would go, and it went horribly wrong. In our cases,
Speaker 1: all three of us, we lost on heartbreakers. You know,
Speaker 1: a few things went differently, we'd be shining bright. No,
Speaker 1: I think if your lock gets shut out against the
Speaker 1: team that's had the number one overall draft picking back
Speaker 1: to back years, you're actually you get to two losses.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say you're out for the year. I
Speaker 1: can see you were going there. We love these guys.
Speaker 1: Are Very, very part of the show, so I don't
Speaker 1: want to lose it in the system. Is that the
Speaker 1: first shut out of the season? H certainly maybe the first.
Speaker 1: It might be the first shutout of a team that
Speaker 1: was locked for a victory. I can't recall three made
Speaker 1: uh in Ohio. Let's hit Sunday night football. We're just here.
Speaker 1: Is Short, no touchsdown penther. He's your stagger, but packers
Speaker 1: defense has stood at the one yard. Lord, Great Call, Wayne, Larvy,
Speaker 1: W R N W. just when it looked like the
Speaker 1: Chicago bears might go and make a game of their
Speaker 1: matchup with the packers at lambeau field, Green Bay got
Speaker 1: to stop added a field goal salted it away. Final
Speaker 1: score ten packers over bears. Green Bay gets their first
Speaker 1: win of the season. The bears fall to one and
Speaker 1: one mark. It's a little it's a little annoying that
Speaker 1: after such an amazing Sunday at Sunday games, you get
Speaker 1: the now standard packers bears game and it's just like
Speaker 1: it's another one of them. That's sad horning in market
Speaker 1: asking for you know who got banged here? Well, the viewer, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, this was a titanic week two. And
Speaker 1: this feels to me, Um, just from general memory, like
Speaker 1: a rite of passage early in the season that most
Speaker 1: of us as fans must be essentially ended dragged through
Speaker 1: right a portal to nowhere. Because, yes, it's not on
Speaker 1: any level surprising that the packers got right here Um,
Speaker 1: or that the bears struggled once again having to play
Speaker 1: a primetime game early in the year in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: This setup seems like it occurs annually. Right, there was
Speaker 1: that the hundred season of football. Remember, they had to
Speaker 1: start the season with packers bears, and that was now
Speaker 1: and we don't have to watch this. These teams play
Speaker 1: every year in Primetime. Why? The logic is like, get
Speaker 1: the get the national big bears audience early while they're
Speaker 1: supposedly frisky. But this is just a talent poor team
Speaker 1: and they threw the ball eleven times. I know there's
Speaker 1: some situational explanation of this, and they have run the
Speaker 1: ball well through two weeks. If you're looking for some
Speaker 1: positive their defense has been competitive. Sure, they threw the
Speaker 1: ball eleven times today. You just it's not gonna it's
Speaker 1: not gonna work in come on. Aaron Jones went off
Speaker 1: in this game for a hundred and thirty two yards, average,
Speaker 1: nearly nine yards to carry, with a touchdown a J dillon.
Speaker 1: You know I've said that I think that Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: and cream hunter the best one to punch in football
Speaker 1: in the backfield. You certainly can make a case for
Speaker 1: Green Bay, and this is a reminder, after last week's
Speaker 1: disappointment against the Vikings, that the packers are very balanced team.
Speaker 1: The defense, obviously, you know this wasn't that big a
Speaker 1: challenge against the bears, but they got the job done,
Speaker 1: including in money time, and it was very close. Justin
Speaker 1: fields came within inches of crossing the goal line. It
Speaker 1: was ruled a stop on on the fourth down midway
Speaker 1: through the fourth quarter and there just wasn't enough to overturn.
Speaker 1: It was that close. But I never felt, even if
Speaker 1: that happened, like this game was gonna end with the
Speaker 1: bears finally way to win, just because you got the
Speaker 1: feeling Green Bay was doing the old Milton Barrow show
Speaker 1: what they need to show just to get through the game.
Speaker 1: But then again, this is a wild Sunday. It just
Speaker 1: didn't get wild here. Well, that was the that was
Speaker 1: the turning point. I mean I I give the bears
Speaker 1: credit for after a first half where they had a
Speaker 1: seventy one yard touchdown drive, obviously to open the game,
Speaker 1: then their next five drives compiled ten yards. That's the
Speaker 1: taste that I that I mentioned that they seemed out
Speaker 1: of sorts, but they're doing flee flickers just to get
Speaker 1: like a fifteen yard out right. They're trying to back
Speaker 1: themselves get out of a corner. But but they do
Speaker 1: have a good run game. David Montgomery, you know, he
Speaker 1: looks good. Khalil Herbert's good. Uh. Maybe they've got to
Speaker 1: find a way to wins games like this, but they're
Speaker 1: certainly playing around Justin fields like he had. He barely
Speaker 1: threw the ball against the niners and I understand that
Speaker 1: was a weather element, but there was no weather element here.
Speaker 1: They did the same thing. Darnell Mooney has uh, four
Speaker 1: yards on the season after having negative four yards today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the first game we should give some at it, though,
Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers, who I think moved really well. That
Speaker 1: was my takeaway watching their offense. Elpton Jenkins was back,
Speaker 1: which which was helped for them. You mentioned Aaron Jones
Speaker 1: who to me just as a pure runner, I was
Speaker 1: thinking about West because he was so early on Aaron Jones,
Speaker 1: just like how how this kid is a special runner
Speaker 1: and I think just pure running he's a top five
Speaker 1: guy right now just bouncing off dudes and the speed
Speaker 1: and the vision, it's all great. But I thought Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers moved pretty well in this game, that he was
Speaker 1: making a couple of plays with his legs, not just
Speaker 1: the called run, but moving up in the pocket on
Speaker 1: that throat a cob in the first half. He just
Speaker 1: it just felt like he's he's moving well and that
Speaker 1: that's encouraging because I think you kind of need that
Speaker 1: as you get through the season, moving in the pocket.
Speaker 1: It's interesting too because Um a J dillon outouched Darren
Speaker 1: Jones in this game in the running game and the
Speaker 1: same thing happened in week one. Week one was a
Speaker 1: little different, if you can, and Aaron Jones has had
Speaker 1: issues of time staying healthy. So this is perfect. This
Speaker 1: is the way they should handle this even a full
Speaker 1: frustrate some fantasy owners because dylan is special too. So
Speaker 1: you know, on the bear side of it, I know
Speaker 1: bears fans are puffing out their chests after the niners
Speaker 1: win last week and then we try to diffuse it
Speaker 1: and talked about the weather and how that really could
Speaker 1: not be overlooked. This is gonna be the challenge for
Speaker 1: the bears. It's, I think, scoring points Um, but fields
Speaker 1: does show. He nearly had a touchdown before Um that
Speaker 1: fourth down stop where he reached out. He's such a
Speaker 1: dynamic athlete. He's fun to watch. I think we're going
Speaker 1: to continue to see fun, exciting plays from fields. It's
Speaker 1: just so much on his shoulders. Even what David Montgomery
Speaker 1: is a really good number one. But also I mean
Speaker 1: the bears. They've made it clear as much as any
Speaker 1: team in the league that this year is a do
Speaker 1: what you can. They have massive cap space. A year
Speaker 1: from now I think the Front Office and a new
Speaker 1: coaching staff can put their plan into place. We've all
Speaker 1: heard that before, that that's the thing. It's got to work.
Speaker 1: But I think fields does give you something each game
Speaker 1: that's attractive. But they don't put together full games off.
Speaker 1: I get it. You just need to start showing some progress.
Speaker 1: He's taken a step back in terms of the passing game.
Speaker 1: You had the weather last week, certainly, but he was
Speaker 1: doing some things throwing at the end of the last
Speaker 1: year and we need to see that again. They get
Speaker 1: the Texans next week. There you go. That's very winnable.
Speaker 1: The Old Jews is putting together the power rankings as
Speaker 1: I'm watching the end of this game, and I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I have Texas, Texans, very near the bottom of that list.
Speaker 1: Go get to W Chicago, get get two out of
Speaker 1: three to start the year. All right, that's it. There's
Speaker 1: your Sunday night recap, a very fun Sunday of week two.
Speaker 1: Next time you hear from around the NFL will be
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. Greg Rosenthal on the double header of to
Speaker 1: two games. You'RE gonna be recapping with none other than
Speaker 1: we got REFA San Longtime Vikings writers, moved into a
Speaker 1: national role and he's gonna be released on plug of
Speaker 1: his new GIG. I don't know why not of things
Speaker 1: in your life from Greg in the last couple of shows. No, well,
Speaker 1: now there's one. That was the first. That's the first
Speaker 1: that you're getting of a EF in his new GIG care.
Speaker 1: I don't know just it just happened to happen this week.
Speaker 1: We've all we've also got titans expert Justin Graver, on
Speaker 1: this show. Very well always. And remember, a week from
Speaker 1: Sunday the heroes get on an airplane and we head
Speaker 1: to we head to London and the around the NFL
Speaker 1: live show uh is. And, by the way, a little help, guys,
Speaker 1: if the old Zuser is trying to plug the live
Speaker 1: show and I'm saying the date wrong. Anybody? Anybody say
Speaker 1: you know Dan? Actually it's not. You know whatever you're saying,
Speaker 1: like have we been getting you've been getting it wrong.
Speaker 1: If you're looking at me to keep a calendar, you
Speaker 1: just a little. I mean just I'm looking for a
Speaker 1: little help. When when is the live show? Thursday, thank you.
Speaker 1: Thursday September und tickets in the balcony. We got those
Speaker 1: for you. It's uh, it's gonna be like it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a crazy night. It's gonna be one of the
Speaker 1: biggest nights and around the NFL history. So make sure
Speaker 1: you're there and we'll try our best to put on
Speaker 1: a good show. Um, yes, Monday night recaps. Then you'll
Speaker 1: see her here from the group and colleen on Tuesday
Speaker 1: and the whole wheel begins again. Beautiful. Until that Dan
Speaker 1: hands a signing off for quiet, starring the old boss,
Speaker 1: the grave digger, Sean Kelly, behind the glass. Until then
Speaker 1: he defe