Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast as hard eyes for the tiny box,
Speaker 1: all right back to the workshop from the Chris Westling
Speaker 1: podcast studio. It's around the NFL. I am Dan Hansis
Speaker 1: got heroes here, Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, Ms Hard Eyes herself.
Speaker 1: That's our new voice of God. Jason Zumwalt. Jason Zumwalt,
Speaker 1: did I say your name? And that is that's a
Speaker 1: Jason special and that he's kind of going into the
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez bag there a little bit. I actually I
Speaker 1: texted with with umwalt a bit a couple of days
Speaker 1: ago and we were work shopping some ideas that would
Speaker 1: maybe surprise the rest of you down the road, not immediately.
Speaker 1: What did not include? That sounds like a sneak attack.
Speaker 1: I like it, though. Now it's not a sneak attack.
Speaker 1: It's just more what Jason and I would talk about
Speaker 1: in our own free time. I think we's it encouraged.
Speaker 1: Like if mark is putting some time in, putting some
Speaker 1: time into the show away from where, we should encourage
Speaker 1: do you everyone? Mark, I don't like what you're suggesting there,
Speaker 1: but that's mark. You know I love you and I
Speaker 1: love Jason, who's a long time friend but have you
Speaker 1: ever noticed when you make those you drop those kind
Speaker 1: of hints or Asides, like, Oh, when me and Jason
Speaker 1: Have our private conversations, I never asked what they are
Speaker 1: because it's better I don't know, because I kind of
Speaker 1: know what they're probably about. It is better that you
Speaker 1: don't know. I have no idea, I don't you don't
Speaker 1: want to know. I'm with the listeners. Let them have
Speaker 1: their thing. Did this happen? Often we text? I mean
Speaker 1: we were texting about the cardinals game, for instance, during
Speaker 1: the cardinals game on Sudday. But then it we'll branch
Speaker 1: out a variety of topics. Stay wholesome. Star Wars mostly
Speaker 1: right now, actually, that I know that, I don't think
Speaker 1: that's what Dan's referring to. That never comes up. Oh No,
Speaker 1: almost never. This is the Tuesday show Connie's yere Um.
Speaker 1: In case you missed it, go check out Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 1: a reef Hassan, who, by the way, Greg needs you
Speaker 1: to know, has a new job and Justin Graver himself
Speaker 1: chopping up the double header Monday night football. And I
Speaker 1: don't know about Connie, I don't know about you. As
Speaker 1: your theme song plays, did it kind of feel like
Speaker 1: maybe we the two super bowl teams you're playing on
Speaker 1: Monday night. Okay, you need to stop and Um the
Speaker 1: world is not ready for that. I mean you were
Speaker 1: kind of getting on me a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: You didn't like that I picked the eagles to the
Speaker 1: superb bathing in the hype. Okay, good, yeah, it was
Speaker 1: very strange to watch the eagles last night be so
Speaker 1: good and the feelings that I felt while watching them.
Speaker 1: You know what we haven't felt in a little while.
Speaker 1: We had you on the night after Carson Wentz, before
Speaker 1: we knew what would happen with Carson Wentz, when he
Speaker 1: was on an M v P t. You came on after,
Speaker 1: I think it was against Washington that they just destroyed
Speaker 1: them on a Monday night football game, and you had
Speaker 1: the same level of anxiety where you were a little
Speaker 1: bit unwilling to embrace what was going to happen. But
Speaker 1: what did happen? Why not just jump in and enjoy it?
Speaker 1: The career changing injury? But they did. Talking a wider
Speaker 1: thing like team, because in general, I like to set
Speaker 1: the bar very low, like I have the bar on
Speaker 1: the ground, because I don't like to be disappointed. So
Speaker 1: anything that happens. It's a nice surprise. Um. So I
Speaker 1: like to expect that the eagles are going to be
Speaker 1: trash every year, so then I can find happiness later on,
Speaker 1: maybe like enjoy it while you can't, because, because that
Speaker 1: that's a great point, um. That's a great point. That's
Speaker 1: a you know, counterpoint. Um, I found covering this league
Speaker 1: for for many years for me about your time covering
Speaker 1: the first the first two weeks of the year almost
Speaker 1: always entirely points out what's going to happen. The rest
Speaker 1: of the snarkiness from Greg, by the way. Um, how
Speaker 1: are you doing, Greg? You were ethered by UH, colleen's
Speaker 1: husband in a very public forum. You tweeted out booing
Speaker 1: Jalen Reagor feels unnecessary, which I agree with, by the way.
Speaker 1: To the Eagles fans, John Responds, your extra g is
Speaker 1: unnecessary and this is notable. And I actually think, Greg,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay you accomplished. Is that ethered? I think
Speaker 1: that's like a very reply. Guy. Joking, just let me
Speaker 1: pay you a compliment. Okay, just chilled. It got ninety
Speaker 1: four replies, nearly five retweets and over seven thousand likes,
Speaker 1: and I think because triple GS got some swing. It
Speaker 1: gave Johnny the pop he needed to get over on
Speaker 1: social there so a lot of things, but he you
Speaker 1: were ethered and I don't know if you'll ever be
Speaker 1: the same. I'm just your thoughts now that you get
Speaker 1: a public forum, maybe swipe a job. I wasn't aware
Speaker 1: of that. It Um would not stop talking about it
Speaker 1: during our ranking. Not The cool guy that never looks
Speaker 1: at your mentions. I do, but we had the Monday
Speaker 1: night football recap. We were doing the channel five show
Speaker 1: and I guess, yeah, I haven't tuned in too. I
Speaker 1: wasn't like checking John's twitter feed. Do you feel like
Speaker 1: one of your G's is exposed too much now? No,
Speaker 1: I mean hanging out the G is totally necessary. If
Speaker 1: there wasn't the extra G, it would be fifty g.
Speaker 1: That like ruins it. Sixty is the number. I love that.
Speaker 1: Gy wouldn't reply, though. You can't just let him take
Speaker 1: you out like that, take you behind the woodshed. You
Speaker 1: represent the entire show, Greg. I'm not just saying that.
Speaker 1: That I was unaware of. Like, I hadn't thought about
Speaker 1: it since I saw it. I think it's nice. I
Speaker 1: think it's nice for for friends and this is what
Speaker 1: Philadelphia people do to Zing each other. This is the
Speaker 1: sort of relationship I want. That that's my love language.
Speaker 1: Compliments are gonna make me feel uncomfortable since the summer.
Speaker 1: So this is the pick eagles to go further than
Speaker 1: they go every single year, including to the playoffs last year.
Speaker 1: So maybe John Owes you an apology. Sure. I stand
Speaker 1: by the Reagor thing, though, and like eagles fans are
Speaker 1: funny because all they do is complain about like, oh well,
Speaker 1: you guys always bring up the batteries, you bring up
Speaker 1: the sand, like this is why this is in the
Speaker 1: same ballpark, like it was unnecessary one time. A little
Speaker 1: bit like it's talk about punching down. You're punching down
Speaker 1: at Jalen Reagor. He has failed in his career. He
Speaker 1: knows that he's he's a bust. He they should be
Speaker 1: happy that they got a draft pick for him. They're
Speaker 1: doing great right now. So so all it is is
Speaker 1: like maybe one time you give him a little bit,
Speaker 1: but it just seems strange, because how unimportant is Jalen
Speaker 1: Reagor to the eagles? Much less the last was. You
Speaker 1: know what it was? It was kind of mean girls
Speaker 1: behavior and the and they, you know, the mean girls
Speaker 1: at the table to cafeteria. They're the poor nerd at
Speaker 1: the other side of the cafeteria. It's like great, you
Speaker 1: guys are really enjoying yourselves, but the rest of US
Speaker 1: think you're kind of right. It's like what I think
Speaker 1: if it's Russell Wilson or if it's kyrie irving coming
Speaker 1: back to Boston, or it's something like huge starts, Jalen
Speaker 1: reagor absolutely. But then don't be like, Oh, stop bringing
Speaker 1: up the Santas like this was so long ago. Don't
Speaker 1: bring up the same it's the same thing that will
Speaker 1: bring up the right we just see greg on a
Speaker 1: large screen at the Eagles Stadium moralizing the whole thing
Speaker 1: to them, and then see how that plays over. It's
Speaker 1: great to do it here, but I think the eagles
Speaker 1: fans kind of know they're but embrace it, don't. Don't
Speaker 1: whine that everyone you're a celtics fan, right, and that's
Speaker 1: just no new material. Right. Okay, so now we go
Speaker 1: just to put a bow on things, because Greg, you know,
Speaker 1: this is his front facing version. He did say into
Speaker 1: text to me and mark. This is uh, Justin on
Speaker 1: the our private uh text channel. Did you see this Gonzo,
Speaker 1: that cloud chasing mother for? So that's what you were
Speaker 1: looking for. So that is pretty hard words for colleen's husband.
Speaker 1: And I thought that you guys were pretty close. Correg,
Speaker 1: I know that. You know wouldn't happen, because Dan wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to like step on anything before the show himself.
Speaker 1: Right now for the show. Who is that, connor? Or
Speaker 1: there is Love Connor? Alright, today's show, yes, but again,
Speaker 1: check out the Monday night football recap. Had a grave
Speaker 1: digger comport himself, by the way, very professionally. The Titans.
Speaker 1: That did not go well on it was more anger
Speaker 1: than sadness, which plays well on this show. We've all
Speaker 1: been there. Um. So, speaking of the Titans, today's show
Speaker 1: shortened to the point we'll not shut probably. Uh. The
Speaker 1: titans are one of seven teams that will enter week
Speaker 1: three without a victory. So this feels like a good time. Two, colleen,
Speaker 1: you and I do the power rankings PODCAST, which you
Speaker 1: can get right now. Uh, listeners, a good time for
Speaker 1: the cornered animal power rankings. What is a cornered animal? Mark?
Speaker 1: What is a cornered animal in sports terms? Now you're
Speaker 1: backed into a rough place and you're gonna do everything
Speaker 1: you can and you're being to claw your way out
Speaker 1: of it. Yes, exactly, a perfect answer by Mark Sessler.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go using, uh, to call back to
Speaker 1: another podcast that you and I have, colleen, the hard
Speaker 1: ncks podcast. We use the vector, the vector voting system,
Speaker 1: to figure out who is the most dangerous of the
Speaker 1: cornered animal and on the other side of the spectrum,
Speaker 1: who is a little kitty cat? Is that a dying cow? Dinosaur?
Speaker 1: Maybe just a little. So what we start there? Do
Speaker 1: you want to get into it please? That is the
Speaker 1: sound of a Carolina Panther. Oh, according to our vector
Speaker 1: voting system, they have six points total, which is very low,
Speaker 1: which means they are the least dangerous corner animal. Or
Speaker 1: maybe not. Well, I'll give you a little update in
Speaker 1: a few minutes, but let's start with the panthers. It's
Speaker 1: like an update that. It's a tie. There's a tie
Speaker 1: at the bottom. Okay, but we'll start that. We're gonna, like,
Speaker 1: update the voting system, which is what we do in
Speaker 1: this country now, and we don't like the results. So
Speaker 1: it's it's good now. That was good. That was on point.
Speaker 1: Johnny here that you want to know what's unnecessary time
Speaker 1: that chain you're wearing around. Okay, you know you couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. You Knew Greg was gonna come back, and
Speaker 1: maybe I played a role in this, but I was
Speaker 1: I didn't think he was going to but now he's
Speaker 1: come back. Why? Why are you know? Actually, I like
Speaker 1: it that you've talked about how you could. We talked
Speaker 1: about it. Those of us who haven't seen John with
Speaker 1: he has a chain, a Chane. He only were just water. Really,
Speaker 1: where is it when he goes pull it off? I
Speaker 1: like Canzo can pull it off. I like it. I
Speaker 1: mean this is everyone can. By the way, I sometimes
Speaker 1: worried that I don't have feelings, because the listeners should
Speaker 1: know that. Mark looked directly Greg Greg has come up
Speaker 1: with the snare that he wants to have a chain.
Speaker 1: It's like Gonzo, is one of the rare people I
Speaker 1: know that could wear it and you wouldn't even think
Speaker 1: the hell. And I wasn't saying I wanted I was
Speaker 1: saying Gonzo and Connie, we're trying to tell me that
Speaker 1: I could pull a chain, that I could wear a chain.
Speaker 1: At the end of the show. Can we get John
Speaker 1: on to sort some things out. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: to it. Let's Talk Panthers. So collectively, we all are
Speaker 1: not high on the panthers digging out of this hole. Um.
Speaker 1: In fact, let's see, Greggy UH and Connie both had
Speaker 1: them at the bottom of the list. Connie, I'll start
Speaker 1: with you. So the panthers I'd owned to unimpressive in
Speaker 1: the two losses. You think they're totally cooked already. This
Speaker 1: just is a team that is floating in mediocrity right now.
Speaker 1: It's a team that there's nothing exciting about them. I
Speaker 1: I just don't like what they're doing on offense. It
Speaker 1: feels like they're completely stuck. They're worse than I expected
Speaker 1: them to be this year. Everything is just like very
Speaker 1: choppy so far. I know it's only two weeks, but
Speaker 1: the offense is just constantly up and down. Um, Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 1: I guess they thought that he would bring a little
Speaker 1: bit more explosion to this team, but not through these
Speaker 1: two games. Christian McCaffrey, that usage is kind of weird.
Speaker 1: It's just the whole thing doesn't give me any optimism
Speaker 1: that they're going to turn things around. At least like
Speaker 1: play a game that I'm excited to watch right like
Speaker 1: when I thought about cornered animal power rankings and this exercise,
Speaker 1: I thought, like which one is going to be the
Speaker 1: angriest to like get out at that corner? Which one
Speaker 1: is gonna like take some clause out? It wasn't really
Speaker 1: about talent. It was more about, like our season is
Speaker 1: now on the line, we're in trouble. WHO's gonna fight
Speaker 1: to like save where we are? And, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: the scrappiest team like the vibes. You hate to save
Speaker 1: vibes because they lost these two games by three points.
Speaker 1: It's not like the players aren't trying, but you don't
Speaker 1: get a center that there's like a center of this
Speaker 1: team that is going to hold them together. What is
Speaker 1: it that they do? Well, maybe Christian McCaffrey is that center,
Speaker 1: but the offensive line is still a bit of a mess.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, I would say. If I had to rank
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks this week, I haven't seen your QB index,
Speaker 1: I would say thirty one or thirty two would be
Speaker 1: my choice. Okay, so they're just, in terms of these
Speaker 1: two weeks alone, not looking and their defense isn't special.
Speaker 1: It's solid, but it's not special. I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: I think players are really keyed in on the coaching staff,
Speaker 1: what's being said about the coaching stuff, what the coaching
Speaker 1: staff says to them, what the proven results are of
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. Matt rule is essentially sort of a
Speaker 1: dead man walking. I don't mean that in a personal sense,
Speaker 1: but like these guys understand, they're looking at the results.
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield has come in and I thought played the
Speaker 1: worst football of his career and first of all, when
Speaker 1: he's not protected well, you're gonna get the worst version
Speaker 1: of Baker Mayfield, and that's what we've gotten. I mean
Speaker 1: the first game against Cleveland, four fumbled snaps, their line
Speaker 1: is a huge mess. Their defense, which last year at
Speaker 1: this time when they got out to the three and
Speaker 1: no start, was a difference maker, and I just I
Speaker 1: don't see what you can cling on too and say
Speaker 1: this is what's pulling them out of that corner. Baker
Speaker 1: is not what they wanted in the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: They were looking to find a difference maker and staid.
Speaker 1: They found a guy that I think plays he needs
Speaker 1: to have a lot around him to thrive and we're
Speaker 1: seeing he doesn't have a lot around it. But he
Speaker 1: also does have he has Christian McCaffrey, he has D
Speaker 1: J Moore. There there are some pieces, but obviously this
Speaker 1: isn't a very deep team. They're in a lot of trouble.
Speaker 1: Makes Sense. Are We gonna see Sam Donald in a
Speaker 1: few weeks? What does that do for me? He's not
Speaker 1: healthy either. How much of it is Ben Macadoo too?
Speaker 1: Like that Rock Star Offensive Coordinator? He doesn't fit to me.
Speaker 1: Like Matt Rule has a very boring, but maybe it
Speaker 1: could be effective offense. But it's like getting the ball
Speaker 1: out of your hands and making quick decisions, which is
Speaker 1: the last thing that Baker Mayfield is good at. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's a tie. As I said, I think you
Speaker 1: guys can guess who they are tied with. Oh, one
Speaker 1: and one. Let's move to the A F C south. Um,
Speaker 1: I have them at the very bottom of the power rankings,
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans. So yes, very much. So. Maybe this
Speaker 1: would be what's say the text in it's like a bull.
Speaker 1: Is that the logo? What's a kiss? I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not into I don't know all farm animals the way
Speaker 1: that some do. Yeah, some do. Um, this is my concern.
Speaker 1: Don't worry concerns and I know there was some positive
Speaker 1: vibes around Houston entering the season, and I'll let you
Speaker 1: the kissing Cuz is here. Uh new kissing cousins with
Speaker 1: the UMLOT get their saying. I'm curious where you guys
Speaker 1: come down now. But this offense stanks right so far anyway,
Speaker 1: they have managed. They managed two and thirty four yards
Speaker 1: and three field goals and that loss to the broncos.
Speaker 1: Mills fumbled. Davis Mills has not played well. He's fumbled
Speaker 1: twice on Sunday, average less than five yards per attempt
Speaker 1: and they go four and out in the final minute
Speaker 1: and it's just like there isn't a lot of juice
Speaker 1: going on with this offense and the defense is and
Speaker 1: a difference maker. I think we talked about it on
Speaker 1: the podcast on Sunday and I'll say it again after
Speaker 1: watching a lot of the Games yesterday, like how many
Speaker 1: teams beat the Broncos on Sunday? How many teams should
Speaker 1: have beaten the Bron broncos had no business winning Sunday
Speaker 1: the product they put on the field. But Houston's that
Speaker 1: bad right now. That's why I have him at the
Speaker 1: bottom and that's why they tie for last in our
Speaker 1: cornered animal power and my optimism to some degree, was
Speaker 1: what we saw from David's mills at the end of
Speaker 1: last season. I feel like right now he's regressing, or
Speaker 1: he has regressed, and you're attached to a coaching staff that,
Speaker 1: I think again, what are you telling your team when
Speaker 1: you go for that tie in week one, and that
Speaker 1: was a tie against the colts, who are looking to
Speaker 1: me like maybe Um, a lot less of a pristine
Speaker 1: operation than we thought in August. I thought Damian Pierce
Speaker 1: would be making a big difference. I thought someone like
Speaker 1: Nico Collins when it was more like I thought this team,
Speaker 1: this offense, would these young guys would come together and
Speaker 1: maybe it would work. But that's not been the case.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think they're an abject disaster, though. No,
Speaker 1: that's I think that's the defining storyline to these two weeks.
Speaker 1: is like the bottom doesn't seem that different than the
Speaker 1: middle in the NFL and there's not many teams really
Speaker 1: at the top. It's just a big morass, and I
Speaker 1: would say that like the Texans hasn't been like it.
Speaker 1: Like it. The Texans haven't been disappointing. This is basically
Speaker 1: what we thought. I think they're frisky. I think actually, uh,
Speaker 1: you put them in a corner. They have been so far.
Speaker 1: They've played two games. Okay, everyone right. They have an
Speaker 1: average defense. They played two games. In both of those
Speaker 1: two games came down to the last minute. They're in
Speaker 1: the NFL. They're they're like they're the slogan in the NFL.
Speaker 1: The point is, like we're they're very talent poor, whereas
Speaker 1: the rest of the other seven teams on these on
Speaker 1: these cornered animal power rankings, have some more talent to it.
Speaker 1: And the Texans have been in both of these games.
Speaker 1: There they're not technically uh, I guess they are winless.
Speaker 1: Are Oh, one and one, but they got some pressure
Speaker 1: on Russell Wilson. They sacked them three times. They picked
Speaker 1: them off to like the defense, I thought was kind
Speaker 1: of the bright spot, if there was to take away
Speaker 1: from that game. By the way, it's a bull torokas
Speaker 1: this week. That's what a baby bull is. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: ask US Open ended animal questions. It makes and then
Speaker 1: and post on the podcast. Just slide in a little
Speaker 1: whatever the baby bull is. Um One reason that I
Speaker 1: put them like ahead. It's called a calf or these
Speaker 1: are things we should know. My wife grew up on
Speaker 1: a farm, so that's where, as I said, calf, and
Speaker 1: I was correct. Why did they make up their farm?
Speaker 1: They had cows, they had goats. They made cows or
Speaker 1: they it wasn't a slaughterhouse. Well, why did they produce milk?
Speaker 1: So it's a milk farm. Was Milk. It was goats
Speaker 1: and chickens and chickens. Sounds disorganized. It's like the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1: That was my wife's childhood home growing up. This is
Speaker 1: a bull roar, but that's too fierce for the Texans
Speaker 1: right now. I need to see something on often, especially
Speaker 1: these last the ends of these games. Wolf like the
Speaker 1: their inability to the point where lovey Smith got scared
Speaker 1: and played for a tie. That's how helpless they were
Speaker 1: down the stretch in week one, and then we didn't
Speaker 1: see much better again. This is a very soft start
Speaker 1: to their schedule. The culture disaster and Denver is completely
Speaker 1: out of sorts to not come out of that with
Speaker 1: a wind. It's I heard. My thing is like. So
Speaker 1: they are the kiddy cat for me, because I think
Speaker 1: the Panthers, at least the coaching staff understand they're gonna
Speaker 1: all need to be moving to another town very soon
Speaker 1: if they don't win games. Where the Texans have said
Speaker 1: we're rebuilding. To Greg's point, we're low talent and we've
Speaker 1: already told you that we're giving a quarterback that probably
Speaker 1: won't be an NFL starter next year a year long tryout.
Speaker 1: We didn't trade for anyone. So it's like, are they
Speaker 1: a wounded animal? There? Kind of said we are the word.
Speaker 1: We are probably the worst team. Or expected them to
Speaker 1: be better than this. Why they fire the last coach?
Speaker 1: That was weird. He was bad at the job. You're rebuilding.
Speaker 1: They were building last year too, and well, I think
Speaker 1: you know what last year they were. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of rest going on. They had a plan to
Speaker 1: hire someone else than the man that they ended up
Speaker 1: hiring for a variety of reasons. All right, we'll get
Speaker 1: to the next team right after this break. Okay, let's now.
Speaker 1: So all of us, by the way, had the Texans
Speaker 1: and panthers in some order at the bottom. So now
Speaker 1: the vector voting system heats up a little bit here.
Speaker 1: The number five, five team uh in the cornered animal
Speaker 1: power rankings. Co Co Cole the Falcons Fourteen points. Connie,
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Atlanta? Okay, I had Atlanta a little
Speaker 1: bit higher because I think that they're a team of
Speaker 1: chaos and that they can completely kind of, if we've
Speaker 1: seen it the last two weeks, Co Co, Co Co,
Speaker 1: they can dismantle a team's plans just when a team
Speaker 1: is getting comfortable in their lead. The fact that what
Speaker 1: they did to the rams, I mean they were dead
Speaker 1: in that game and then came back and then they
Speaker 1: blew it against the saints. So I think that it's
Speaker 1: a team that I going coming into the season. I
Speaker 1: had no expectations for them to be a good team
Speaker 1: and they've actually surprised me the past two weeks by
Speaker 1: putting on the performances that they have. Want to hear
Speaker 1: something interesting. Connie had the falcons third in her personal
Speaker 1: animal power. I love it. I also think do they
Speaker 1: they're not a sit down and wait to see what
Speaker 1: happens to us. Arthur Smith has some bite to him.
Speaker 1: He's annoyed about the Kyle Pitt's questions, saying he's this
Speaker 1: is not fantasy football. He's telling them. Back in May,
Speaker 1: I remember all of you that said we wouldn't do
Speaker 1: anything and they are a couple of plays away to yeah,
Speaker 1: there are a couple of plays away from being I mean,
Speaker 1: they're incorrect. Win Games because he said right, whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Some guys had US ranked. Well, there's that's impossible. There's
Speaker 1: only thirty two teams. He's like, you buried us and
Speaker 1: may bury us again. We don't care, we'll get back
Speaker 1: to work. You ranked us. I mean, that's that's not
Speaker 1: how the power rankings worked. Is that what you're you're
Speaker 1: asking where? I had him in the power rankings this week.
Speaker 1: That's what you're doing. Up One spot, though you are.
Speaker 1: You're a little stubborn on that. Well, that's nice to
Speaker 1: hear they went up a spot, but I feel like
Speaker 1: you're not a falcons person, not yet. That first game
Speaker 1: was flukey and terrible, but they did play, uh, pretty
Speaker 1: great football for for three and a half quarter. They
Speaker 1: are frisking. See, to me they feel like a cornered animal.
Speaker 1: They are kind of China fight their way out of
Speaker 1: this paper bag and they have to take out your
Speaker 1: eyeballs with a beak to get out of there. They
Speaker 1: will do that. I mean, you know what the fastest
Speaker 1: animal on earth is? The Cheetah, the Peregrine Falcon. Very Good, Huh,
Speaker 1: got my ass. Did Not know that. Thought it was
Speaker 1: the cheating. Like Falcons. It should advertise itself more if
Speaker 1: that's true, because no one is terrible for this Animal
Speaker 1: Falcon Marketing. They showed pluck there. They nearly dug out
Speaker 1: of that crazy hole um against the rams, which deserves
Speaker 1: some love, but I do listen Arthur like a art
Speaker 1: it is a problem that you haven't been able to
Speaker 1: get kyle pitts involved in the offense in two weeks.
Speaker 1: That's a bad look. That guy is special, so let's
Speaker 1: see it, and I'm not saying that as a fantasy
Speaker 1: owner of Kyle Pitts, which I am, but imagine if
Speaker 1: this offense has drake London, who's absolutely showing he's a
Speaker 1: big time player, and you're finding a way to scheme
Speaker 1: you're potentially generational talent tight end open. That's some juice.
Speaker 1: With a quarterback who can move with his legs and
Speaker 1: can get hot anyway. This team's got hard. The team's
Speaker 1: got hard. Then these the heart rankings, increasingly confusing. What
Speaker 1: we're rankings that just do a team slogan for every team. Team, Hey,
Speaker 1: this and they're almost all. This team's got hard, they
Speaker 1: got hot. UH, here we go up next with sixteen points.
Speaker 1: Interesting the Indianapolis Colts. I was on Good Morning Football
Speaker 1: this morning and hell the boys and and Jamie, they
Speaker 1: really gave it to old tug boat said, how could
Speaker 1: the colts not be thirty two in this league right now?
Speaker 1: And I have and yeah, and, but you absolutely, mark,
Speaker 1: can make a case that the colts have been worse
Speaker 1: than anyone in football. Coming off the obviously shut out
Speaker 1: loss now to the Jaguars, it could not be lower.
Speaker 1: Now I have them higher. Personally. In my corner and
Speaker 1: animal rankings, I had him third, actually, because it's always
Speaker 1: darkest before the Dawn, dark night, and I think that
Speaker 1: this is going to be a team that climbs up
Speaker 1: off the mat when they get healthier and and Ryan,
Speaker 1: the offensive line starts playing a little better, which it will,
Speaker 1: I think, and Ryan gets more comfortable. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, if you're just looking at from from a
Speaker 1: two week perspective, absolutely can make the case that this
Speaker 1: is a quartered animal without a pulse. It is a
Speaker 1: corner animal. I think there's a pulse because this is
Speaker 1: sort of the Frank Reich way. They started three and
Speaker 1: five a year ago and I was counting them out
Speaker 1: and then they rolled back to eight, at six at
Speaker 1: one point. But I also look at with the two
Speaker 1: games they played and after all the summary Conversation About
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan and what he brings and how much better
Speaker 1: he is than Carson Wentz. If you had to take
Speaker 1: the two games you got from Matt Ryan and the
Speaker 1: two Games we've seen from Carson Wentz, I know which
Speaker 1: quarterback I'd like better. But the problem is Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: back into this colts offense with a bad line. You're
Speaker 1: missing Michael Pittman, Jonathan Taylor did nothing last game. Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan is running around throwing or awful picks, not seeing
Speaker 1: the field, looking like he wants a long vacation. I
Speaker 1: don't like the situation for Matt Ryan at all. Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz right now, by the way, leads the NFC in
Speaker 1: passing yards and touchdowns. The NFL in touchdowns, he's tied
Speaker 1: for the League a little bit of well so Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan has one touchdown, which is also Fugazi in the
Speaker 1: other directions bad. Yeah, I read Um the tweet from
Speaker 1: another sixty percent g Greg Doyle, who to me is
Speaker 1: uh one of the great local columnists in the Greg
Speaker 1: twitter a long time. He writes for the Indie Star
Speaker 1: and can't even get a follow on twitter. He said
Speaker 1: he's tired of writing how much he likes the colts
Speaker 1: coach in general manager, and it's time to grow up. Gentlemen,
Speaker 1: look in the Mirror. What are you doing? Moment it's
Speaker 1: not dot, dot dot, and then I click and you've
Speaker 1: got to be a subscriber, so I don't know what
Speaker 1: it's not um and he also said like they can't
Speaker 1: pretend that everyone's like how I actually feel. Psych and
Speaker 1: article that there greg should help with Greg. They're they're
Speaker 1: facing like serious heat, so they should feel like cornered animals.
Speaker 1: But this team, I think, more than any team, should
Speaker 1: have felt like that coming into the season. They certainly
Speaker 1: should have felt like like it going back to the
Speaker 1: scene of the crime in Jacksonville to come out that
Speaker 1: flat not making any farm noises. But what did we
Speaker 1: think that? That's just a cow. That's the cow. A
Speaker 1: cult is a horse coming back did Jacksonville and get
Speaker 1: shut out. They're playing like cow. That's Gus Bradley's defense,
Speaker 1: by the way, plays the opposite of a corner like
Speaker 1: a corner animal. It's just like hey, you want to
Speaker 1: have an eight yard game, sure, just go for it.
Speaker 1: All days. Just suggested that would be the case with
Speaker 1: Gus Bradley's defense. But the cults living their own universe.
Speaker 1: A week sixteen, because you're gonna know my answer by
Speaker 1: the way I set it up. Are the colts within
Speaker 1: a game of first place in the AFC south? They
Speaker 1: always do this, but I mean they're only half a
Speaker 1: game out right now. They play in the worst division.
Speaker 1: Yes or no? I think there'll be three games behind
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. Then they are a dead quartered animal. I
Speaker 1: think highly of the Jaguars. Well, either way, if they're three,
Speaker 1: if they're three games Jaguars, they're they're in trouble, no
Speaker 1: matter why. Even if the Jaguars are ten and five,
Speaker 1: that means they're don you have no integrity. If the
Speaker 1: owner said what he said about the team losing to
Speaker 1: Jacksonville the end last season and ship Carson Wentz out
Speaker 1: of town and what we just saw now, the owners
Speaker 1: cool with that? I mean I think the thing could
Speaker 1: be set on fire for a month or now, like
Speaker 1: nineteen one George Steinburn or stuff going on in that
Speaker 1: building right now with Jim er say he must be
Speaker 1: completely house fires. Probably. Probably that all. It all rolls downhill.
Speaker 1: The anxiety, a don stress that's probably sitting with that
Speaker 1: coaching staff, with the general manager, goes down to the roster.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they do. A Lot. They had
Speaker 1: four pressures in that game. They have the chiefs this week.
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of confusion. Like next Gen stats
Speaker 1: measures separation from the receivers and I guess if you're
Speaker 1: looking at Ashton Dolan as your number one receiver, it
Speaker 1: shouldn't surprise you that they had by far the least
Speaker 1: separation of any receivers in the league last week. Matt
Speaker 1: Ryan has gone to a much worse situation right now,
Speaker 1: which was not supposed to be what was this was
Speaker 1: supposed to be my team. The colts, were supposed to
Speaker 1: deliver on all of their promises. Certainly didn't, and when
Speaker 1: I was looking at these rankings I kept flipping the
Speaker 1: colts and the titans. I couldn't quite well, those are
Speaker 1: your bottom two teams in D v O a through
Speaker 1: two weeks, the to Wurst teams in football, and it's important.
Speaker 1: I feel like maybe we should have been doing it earlier,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna Start doing it now. If you're talking
Speaker 1: about a corner and animal game, like, what is their
Speaker 1: path out of the corner? The Path out of the
Speaker 1: corner is not good for the cults they had. They
Speaker 1: host the chiefs right now, uh, coming up on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Then they host the titans, which we'll get to in
Speaker 1: a second. Somebody's gotta Win and somebody's gotta lose that.
Speaker 1: Then they go to Denver, which who knows. Then you
Speaker 1: have Jacksonville, then you go to Tennessee. So it's like
Speaker 1: they gotta figure it out now. A F C south
Speaker 1: is the path, the idea that eight or nine wins
Speaker 1: will keep you within that one game going in two weeks.
Speaker 1: Let's work under the idea. And who knows, football is
Speaker 1: funny that way, that the chiefs take care of business.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden you're own three with an almost
Speaker 1: equally desperate titans team, potentially that the only way they're
Speaker 1: dead is if they yeah, oh, that's right. Also, can
Speaker 1: I like if you if you're oh in two and
Speaker 1: the way that you got to own two was, um,
Speaker 1: in a drab fashion, tie the Texans. That get blanked.
Speaker 1: How many shutouts even exist anymore? Twenty to nothing by
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. You are in two sees. Once they scored
Speaker 1: zero points, they should have made a mow into number
Speaker 1: three on the cornered animal power rankings, which is not
Speaker 1: to be confused with the NFL power rankings out right now.
Speaker 1: On the podcast with colleen and I, the Tennessee Titans. Yes,
Speaker 1: nineteen points, so three points ahead of the cult. So
Speaker 1: as a group we believe the titans are in slightly
Speaker 1: better what is a titan anyway? Slightly better shape. And
Speaker 1: again you can check out justin in full morning mode
Speaker 1: on the Monday night football recap with Greg. But Justin
Speaker 1: does this feel to you? Um, I know you weren't
Speaker 1: involved with the vector voting here, but does this feel
Speaker 1: like a fair spot or overly generous? Where do you
Speaker 1: come in on the titans where they are right now?
Speaker 1: I think it's fair. UH, titans twitter is in full
Speaker 1: meltdown mode, which happens when you lose. I'm not getting
Speaker 1: any tweets from titans fans. Yeah, I feel like you
Speaker 1: could spike on them, honestly, but you're you're above that.
Speaker 1: So and you know traylon barks has not been the problem.
Speaker 1: There no traylon. You know what? Ted Hill hasn't been
Speaker 1: the problem. He too. He threw a pretty bad interception
Speaker 1: last night, but that was sort of desperation. The game's over.
Speaker 1: The offensive line, which was the biggest concern about the
Speaker 1: team coming into the season, has been bad. Run blocking, bad,
Speaker 1: past protection poor. The titans gave up a ton of
Speaker 1: pressure last night, even though they only took two sacks,
Speaker 1: which is a credit to Tannehill. The defense does not
Speaker 1: look good. They're very injured already. Harold Landry's loss felt,
Speaker 1: was very felt last night. Christian Fulton didn't play, but
Speaker 1: dupre left in the first quarter. It was a bad game.
Speaker 1: Taylor Lawan likely done for the year. So offensive line
Speaker 1: gets worse. Five of the most important players on their team.
Speaker 1: It's very tough. The outlook for the titans right now
Speaker 1: is not good. Um, so it is what it is.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's I'm fine. You know, I am emotionally detached
Speaker 1: from this. Everyone's emotionally detached. Literally a website. Everybod break
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, I am I am ready for
Speaker 1: you know what, this is my my real overreaction is that,
Speaker 1: like Derrick Henry was fun, but it's time who evolved
Speaker 1: into a modern NFL offense, because when Derrick Henry is
Speaker 1: shut down, thirteen carries for twenty five yards or whatever
Speaker 1: he had last night, the whole offense is is completely
Speaker 1: it doesn't move at all. So I thought it was
Speaker 1: notable in that game and I'm guessing you guys might
Speaker 1: have talked about it, so we don't need to dwell
Speaker 1: on it. But like when the game started to get
Speaker 1: away from them because they don't have a j Brown,
Speaker 1: because they don't really have a passing game that they
Speaker 1: have figured out yet, they're still giving it to Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry and it's like, I understand why you're doing it,
Speaker 1: because he's your dude, but it just shows that they
Speaker 1: were just kind of in a different weight class than
Speaker 1: the bills, which was not when it's also not worth game,
Speaker 1: like Henry is not running um effectively. I think he's
Speaker 1: actually looked like he has plenty of juice, I think,
Speaker 1: any better than he did at the end of last season.
Speaker 1: I had them number two, though, because of institutional history
Speaker 1: here that tightens remind me a lot of the Patriots,
Speaker 1: probably more than any other organization. That's sort of been
Speaker 1: a patriots offshoot and that they are figuring things out
Speaker 1: and I think they can probably them solved and that
Speaker 1: the whole is usually better than the some of their parts,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot of animalistic, Nice, you know,
Speaker 1: institute inside of them. You know what I mean. They're
Speaker 1: gonna fight. Their team is not gonna go down easy
Speaker 1: and it might take a little while. It's a long
Speaker 1: NFL season, but I think they're going to get out
Speaker 1: of that corner somehow. You're in the perfect division. And
Speaker 1: also I wouldn't really want to be anyone using the
Speaker 1: bills as a measuring stick. And that game got away
Speaker 1: from them in a rowdy environment. Like the look on
Speaker 1: Rabel's face about eight minutes into that thing was like
Speaker 1: they're out of here. They're such a small, you know,
Speaker 1: margin between being in this segment or not and being
Speaker 1: in O and two and not. And like almost all
Speaker 1: of these teams had like one flukey play go against
Speaker 1: them in one of their losses. Not like the titans
Speaker 1: look great against the giants, but you know, you had
Speaker 1: a bad had some bad luck in that game. You
Speaker 1: end up losing it and it feels a lot worse
Speaker 1: than into who are the Ad Wizards in the NFL
Speaker 1: Home Office that had the titans and colts play both
Speaker 1: their matchup by week seven. I was gonna say I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward to the December matchup where it's really packed tight,
Speaker 1: as much as you you're like, Oh, it's the AFC south,
Speaker 1: you know whatever. That would be fun because I want
Speaker 1: to see I think both those teams potentially are going
Speaker 1: to be in the mix still in that division, unless
Speaker 1: the Jaguars do get hot and become something. I think
Speaker 1: they've foreseen that the Jaguars will be the story, not
Speaker 1: the same old cults titans matchup, and that's why they
Speaker 1: put titans jags week eighteen, battle for the division. And Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just okay, maybe they, maybe they, maybe they're playing
Speaker 1: chess here, maybe they've galaxy brain this thing, and it
Speaker 1: was like, I know the Jaguars have been the worst
Speaker 1: team in football two years in a row, but now
Speaker 1: let's get them into a big spot. We'll see, but
Speaker 1: it's just weird that you have both these games knocked
Speaker 1: out by week seven. Realistically it was a bad move.
Speaker 1: I just love how much titans and colts fans hate
Speaker 1: each other. So that's why I wanted a late season
Speaker 1: game like that. Rivalry is so stick do a Thursday
Speaker 1: night game in the middle of December like it's you know,
Speaker 1: you check some boxes and it's gonna have big division ramifications.
Speaker 1: Seems like a gimme, I mean or flip side. Both
Speaker 1: teams actually do stink and let's get this over with
Speaker 1: sooner than later, because it will matter in late December.
Speaker 1: Number two. It was pretty close, but not you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't come down to one voter. The raiders, the
Speaker 1: silver and Black Raiders, very disappointing star and going to uh,
Speaker 1: coming off a narrow loss to the chargers in week one,
Speaker 1: uh here in L A, and then they go and
Speaker 1: bring the cardinals into their building and go up, I
Speaker 1: think it was twenty nothing at the half and then
Speaker 1: melt down and blow that game. Um, I think. Did
Speaker 1: anybody have the raiders as their most no, everyone had
Speaker 1: them two or three. Um, Greg, why did you? What
Speaker 1: do you what are your feelings about the raiders? To
Speaker 1: me that this feels like something even though the division
Speaker 1: is tough, they can they can handle this, but they
Speaker 1: just got to get a dub. They gotta get the
Speaker 1: club DUB quickly. Yeah, I believe in in Derek Carr
Speaker 1: playing better overall than he has through two weeks, I believe,
Speaker 1: in the defense looking more compton overall. That said that,
Speaker 1: that sort of collapse, it was jarring. We tend to
Speaker 1: like put more weight in some way on like Oh,
Speaker 1: they look so dominant in the first half, like that
Speaker 1: was the real raiders. Well, no, you got dominated just
Speaker 1: as much in the second half and made a lot
Speaker 1: of mental errors and it wasn't a flukey comeback. It
Speaker 1: was right. The offense totally struggled in the defense totally struggled.
Speaker 1: That's how you blow a twenty point lead. So there
Speaker 1: there are like it like inside the building, concerns, but
Speaker 1: I think the players are pretty good right. That's why
Speaker 1: I had him third. I only had them third. Adam
Speaker 1: behind the titans. I trusted the titans as an organization
Speaker 1: where but I just think talent wise, raids play on
Speaker 1: PM Eastern in Nashville. Is that a loser goes home.
Speaker 1: That's a cornered animal. There is a cornered animal showdown.
Speaker 1: Only one animal comes out alive. This has been Dan's
Speaker 1: UH thing for years. There animal, the cornered animal, has
Speaker 1: been my corner right west. Would get very excited for
Speaker 1: the corner animals, the TV, within the TV, within the TV,
Speaker 1: with this game early on Thursday. Yeah, I have the
Speaker 1: second overall pick in our draft. Yes, so go ahead,
Speaker 1: take graids, take, but mark sessler holds all the cards.
Speaker 1: I will tell you now. You'RE gonna be watching that
Speaker 1: game if you want to. Okay, I feel power. It
Speaker 1: doesn't attract me the way it attracts you. It's like
Speaker 1: I call yes, let me take a look at this schedule. Yeah,
Speaker 1: at Tennessee home, Denver, at Kansas City and then the
Speaker 1: by they gotta figure out a way to win two
Speaker 1: of those three. You're gonna be okay. I want to
Speaker 1: believe that they are the team that played in the
Speaker 1: first half of that game and not the team that
Speaker 1: completely fell apart in the second half, but I think
Speaker 1: they're both. It's the overtime position. was a hunter, renfro fumble,
Speaker 1: Derek Carr up for grabs ball where he badly missed
Speaker 1: his target, Duvante Adams, who did nothing in that game. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then another hunter, Renfro UH fumble, scooped and scored. Well,
Speaker 1: I think it was this too. That's pretty rough. Like
Speaker 1: the cardinals shifted into like cornered animal sooner than these teams.
Speaker 1: Their season was going away and they were looking at
Speaker 1: the end to put baby in a corner. They broke
Speaker 1: out and became what they are, like, I think, like
Speaker 1: you saw, like Kyler Murray's nucleus explode in the second
Speaker 1: half of that thing and like they they caught the
Speaker 1: raiders by surprise. Now the raiders who spent all ofb
Speaker 1: scene saying you're overlooking at US like we're the team
Speaker 1: that no one believes and well, you're own to go
Speaker 1: win a game, win a ball game. I mean that's
Speaker 1: the rare cornered animal at halftime of week two. We
Speaker 1: don't want to be sometimes we come out at the corner.
Speaker 1: Like I was looking for some sound effects before the
Speaker 1: show and I got sucked into a youtube video of
Speaker 1: an animal control officer putting the old the long stick
Speaker 1: thing with the hook to grab a coyote who was
Speaker 1: literally cornered in the backyard. and Um, this is what
Speaker 1: you were doing before the show? Yeah, no, that's why.
Speaker 1: That's why I was like getting to the studio and uh,
Speaker 1: he pulled it in and threw it into the truck.
Speaker 1: was really impressive. Maybe I'll tweet it out. Um, but
Speaker 1: this guy. This is the version of the cardinals. Like
Speaker 1: being led. Here comes the guy with the hook, with
Speaker 1: the hoop thing. They said no, they want to know
Speaker 1: part of that. You're not putting me in the cage.
Speaker 1: Look at that. That's a good mentality. It worked for them.
Speaker 1: Number One, the bengals. Um, listen, we have a soft
Speaker 1: spot in our heart for this team. Obviously Chris westling
Speaker 1: his boyhood team before he emotionally detached. I guess we
Speaker 1: all do, because there's a lot of emotional detachment of well,
Speaker 1: maybe you need to look in the mirror. Maybe. I mean,
Speaker 1: he never claims it. If anything, he embraces the attachment rights.
Speaker 1: That's who I am. I can't I can't go away,
Speaker 1: but you want other people to change. That's my concern.
Speaker 1: I want you to do what you want to know.
Speaker 1: That is I am simply pointing out that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of emotional detachment around this. There's some edge to point.
Speaker 1: Paul Rudd understands it, even Greg even Greggy. He goes
Speaker 1: on national television and D says I used to be
Speaker 1: a fan until you know, I became professional, which is
Speaker 1: a lie. But it's an emotional detachment as well. Why
Speaker 1: did you say? You said emotionally about not emotionally detachment
Speaker 1: the jets, even though I should probably be wise. I
Speaker 1: mean I think everyone's situation is different, and now you're
Speaker 1: just sticking everyone in the same bucket as these people
Speaker 1: are attachment. It's hard to love in the same way
Speaker 1: that you did uh as a child, um, because I
Speaker 1: after incredible you know, and historical success. Again, just like
Speaker 1: mark's expressing like like how you feel is how you feel.
Speaker 1: I was merely pointing out there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: emotional detachment that Syah. I see that too, though I
Speaker 1: think everyone it makes sense. When you're in the sports media,
Speaker 1: it's tough. Everything's connected and you want to at least
Speaker 1: try to create that, that barrier. So for me it's
Speaker 1: more protection, to protect myself. So I try just keep
Speaker 1: like an arms distance. Sometimes I'm with you. I could
Speaker 1: care less in sports media. I know what you're saying
Speaker 1: about other people, but I thought what made our show
Speaker 1: special actually was that we actually openly rooted for certain teams,
Speaker 1: and I'm pointing out that Chris wessing also detached emotionally
Speaker 1: from his team and put a lot of thought into it.
Speaker 1: WHO ARE NUMBER ONE? They are number one in the
Speaker 1: cornered animal power rankings. Brings it right back to the ranking.
Speaker 1: How could they not be? Because they're the defending a
Speaker 1: F C champions, like we're not going to quit on
Speaker 1: them after two weeks. Right, no way. There are Bengal Tigers.
Speaker 1: I mean, which animal out of all these actual animals?
Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose the panthers, like maybe it's like
Speaker 1: a panther mythological, you know, being led by Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: and Matt rule, or a panther being led by Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: I mean a tiger. I'm going with the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very concerning. But the blocking front that could be sending
Speaker 1: right the Bengal on track eleven times this season is
Speaker 1: not good for led by Zach Taylor, who's like should
Speaker 1: I go for the Green Polo or the Black Polo today?
Speaker 1: What does that mean? I know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: think I know what I mean. Well, I would like
Speaker 1: an elaboration on that. I mean I think he's going
Speaker 1: for a certain tone. You're going for a vibe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just that's how I see Zach Taylor. He's always
Speaker 1: just kind of looking like he's going out for like
Speaker 1: eighteen holes at the local municipal. He doesn't have a
Speaker 1: cool black bomber jacket. That's not so. We talked about
Speaker 1: that when he was hired, that he just he's not
Speaker 1: bringing a lot to the table. That's fine. Coaches win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl sometimes the average, average coaches when the
Speaker 1: super bowl. There's lots of things that go into winning
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Chance being probably up there and they
Speaker 1: and they had some. You're saying he's a simpleton. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm saying he's not bringing a lot of Verve,
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot of he doesn't just come after you,
Speaker 1: he comes after Greg too. It's equal opportunities. So I'm
Speaker 1: well aware at this point. But I compared to Mike,
Speaker 1: compared to Mike Rabow or or some of these other
Speaker 1: coaches here, is he? Is he feeling like a cornered coach,
Speaker 1: or is he making excuses about while those thirteen sex
Speaker 1: aren't as bad as you think, just just fix it.
Speaker 1: It's been four years before, with the line issues down
Speaker 1: the stretching in the playoffs, there was no ability to
Speaker 1: other teams can do that and they went and got
Speaker 1: these guys in. The line is worse. So there's some
Speaker 1: void there in the teaching, instructional part of our team.
Speaker 1: That's a good point you made, Mark. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: great point. Mark. That's a good point. Mark. How long,
Speaker 1: that much longer are we doing this? That's it. There
Speaker 1: it is, the cornered animal power rankings. We believe their
Speaker 1: defense is good. We should get I'm not worried about
Speaker 1: I'm not that worried about the bengals at all. Close
Speaker 1: the show them the actual subconscious. We didn't give them
Speaker 1: any real football adalysis. We talked about his shirts. I
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to make it gonna get plenty of analysis
Speaker 1: on Cincinnati, who go to the meadowlands to face the
Speaker 1: jets in week three. Then their home against the dolphins,
Speaker 1: which all of a sudden it seems like a Frisky
Speaker 1: game in prime time, by the way, Thursday night football.
Speaker 1: Then they go to Baltimore, then they go to New Orleans.
Speaker 1: So yeah, when you didn't get grab a W in
Speaker 1: those first two weeks, I talked about it all the
Speaker 1: time on the show. The schedule makers set things up
Speaker 1: for a reason. They figured that you were going to
Speaker 1: beat the steelers at home in week one. They said, oh,
Speaker 1: they could a good chance, they could take care of
Speaker 1: business against Dallas. So they're either one in one or two.
Speaker 1: And Oh, when we send them on the Gauntlet section
Speaker 1: of their schedule, will you take two else? Oh, that's
Speaker 1: how you end up a cornered animal. And don't overlook
Speaker 1: the jets. Thank you. It's another great point, building a
Speaker 1: bridge with the host smart. I uh. I think we
Speaker 1: should take a break, hit the Thursday night football preview
Speaker 1: and then tie up a loose end. All right, welcome back.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the first game on the week three
Speaker 1: docket now, and it is, oh it's a spicy one,
Speaker 1: an a F C north showdown in Cleveland, Pittsburgh steelers
Speaker 1: against the browns. And a reminder, this TNF preview is
Speaker 1: presented by Prime Video, the new exclusive home for Thursday
Speaker 1: night football. MMM, mm hmmm. Now, as I promised on
Speaker 1: Sunday show or hinted, I was going to, for the
Speaker 1: first time, sit down with my boys and watch a
Speaker 1: jets game, and I did it this morning. We watched
Speaker 1: the end of the jets browns game and it was outrageous.
Speaker 1: Um actually kind of just soaking it in. The browns
Speaker 1: had six different points in that game, from one to
Speaker 1: the end of the game, where they could have won
Speaker 1: the game just by executing on a very simple scale,
Speaker 1: and yet against the jets of all teams, they found
Speaker 1: a way to lose this game. So now here they
Speaker 1: are with a chance to get back on track. There
Speaker 1: in their building, Mark Sessler. But the steelers are a
Speaker 1: familiar nemesis. I like the matchup for Cleveland, I think.
Speaker 1: Number One, you've got a steeler's offensive line that is
Speaker 1: a mess and you've got miles Garrett, who is playing
Speaker 1: at defensive player of the year levels right now. Dev
Speaker 1: and Clowney made a big play in the jets game
Speaker 1: before that thing went totally south. That right there says
Speaker 1: problems from Chard Robinsky. The steeler's offense is one of
Speaker 1: the most limited offenses I've watched in a long time.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the throw chart of
Speaker 1: where Drabinsky has been throwing the ball, it looks like
Speaker 1: a pop warner game to me, with someone who's just
Speaker 1: learning to put the ball in the air. They're not
Speaker 1: using their weapons. And I think you've got Cleveland Secondary
Speaker 1: is going to be annoyed after what happened last game.
Speaker 1: Cleveland is the best rush team in the League right now.
Speaker 1: They don't have t j Watton Pittsburgh. I don't think Cleveland,
Speaker 1: despite Jacoby Perscid, who played pretty well last week, there's
Speaker 1: not really an excuse to lose this game at home. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the excuse might be they're just banged up.
Speaker 1: CLOWNEY is out for this game. Miles Garrett missed practice
Speaker 1: and they said we'll see whether he plays. I believe
Speaker 1: you finished Garrett's gonna play. I think he finished the game.
Speaker 1: But they also lost chase winovitch, who's, in theory, their
Speaker 1: third rusher. There there thin there. I do think the
Speaker 1: St suffered a lower leg injury that so he might
Speaker 1: not be himself right now and he already is not
Speaker 1: a big mobile guy. The browns is not on the
Speaker 1: injury report. Offensive Line has been the best unit that's
Speaker 1: in this game, despite some concerns going into the season.
Speaker 1: I mean they are getting it done. I do think
Speaker 1: we've reached kind of the tipping point with the steelers
Speaker 1: not throwing a deep ever, that the fact everyone's talking
Speaker 1: about it as the only point this week and then
Speaker 1: and there's some grumbling that they're gonna at least try
Speaker 1: to do it. Deonte Johnson said we can only do
Speaker 1: what they tell us to do and execute it. UH,
Speaker 1: Claypole said, we have claypole said we have to call
Speaker 1: the right plays to get down the field in the
Speaker 1: right ways. Even even Mitchell Robinsky sounded like he was like, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: I just work here, I'm calling the plays that are
Speaker 1: that are asked. And so we said. They're arguing in
Speaker 1: the huddle with each other. Right, it's a mess. It's
Speaker 1: some ugliness concert in there. One and one, which you
Speaker 1: would have taken if you're the steelers going into the season,
Speaker 1: and I think this could be a case where all
Speaker 1: that chatter forces them to throw it deep, and ultimately
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. The best chance they have is
Speaker 1: just throw up some passes to their playmakers. It happen
Speaker 1: for the steelers, is Miss Robinski throwing the ball deep,
Speaker 1: compared to what it can be, worse than what they're
Speaker 1: doing with you on that, but I don't think that's
Speaker 1: the quarter. I'll tell you one thing. CLEVELAND, for as
Speaker 1: long as I've watched them, have one special power, and
Speaker 1: it's not the power that helps them. They are the
Speaker 1: team that consistently fields massive debuts by players that become
Speaker 1: legendary players, and I think this is a perfect time
Speaker 1: at the midpoint for Kenny Pickett to come in and
Speaker 1: change every and do what you're talking about. You're with
Speaker 1: all the steelers fans. There were so many penny pick
Speaker 1: a chance and Mike Tomlin said that, oh, he didn't
Speaker 1: hear it, of course, like Rabinsky was like yeah, it
Speaker 1: is what it is kind of deal. But if JOE
Speaker 1: FLACCO was able to do that on the Brown Secondary, Hey,
Speaker 1: I mean, why not let Mitch Try and throw it?
Speaker 1: Has So many things to clean up, so many miscommunications,
Speaker 1: so many misques like that is what led to their demise.
Speaker 1: The next closest team in terms of like yardage allowed
Speaker 1: on bow blown plays has like a third as many.
Speaker 1: There's two and fifty yards. Their offense is actually ranked
Speaker 1: much higher than it was a year ago, dv. It's
Speaker 1: just dv O eight's two weeks it's the running game.
Speaker 1: They've had like a top seven or eight offense and
Speaker 1: their defense has not shown up considering the talent they have,
Speaker 1: with the exception that his last throw, the interception, played
Speaker 1: very well last week. In general, the meltdown was almost unprecedented.
Speaker 1: What happened the last two minutes, but for fifty eight
Speaker 1: minutes it kind of went the way you would inc
Speaker 1: and it was like a Cleveland team. That again to
Speaker 1: the point where they're putting up the graphics. That was
Speaker 1: the other thing mark when he was watching the game today,
Speaker 1: putting up the graphics of the last two and Oh
Speaker 1: start Jurassic Park was number one of the box office
Speaker 1: Milli Vanilli had to hit. It was just like they
Speaker 1: played well last week until everything felt of the browns
Speaker 1: week one game, exact same thing happened and they because
Speaker 1: they had a good kicker who finished it off. They
Speaker 1: won it, but the defense kind of gave it up.
Speaker 1: More thing, I could see them having similar success with
Speaker 1: the blueprint if Brissette can avoid turnovers and had that
Speaker 1: great running game. Um, I think they they're my pick
Speaker 1: in this game. I'M NOT gonna lock it up, but
Speaker 1: I also wonder. It's gonna be interesting to see Connie.
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is his own dude, but he's never really
Speaker 1: had to deal with this quarterback conundrum like this in
Speaker 1: his life because as a head coach with the in
Speaker 1: the NFL, with Ben Roethlisberger the way he was for
Speaker 1: years and years. Will he pull the trigger if the offense,
Speaker 1: which has not or three yards. Yet if they're at
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty five yards at halftime and Cleveland's
Speaker 1: up thirteen three, maybe it is the day, maybe it
Speaker 1: is time, maybe it is but I don't think that
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin is a reactionary guy. I think that he's
Speaker 1: someone that has patience and is calculated and we'll see
Speaker 1: things through. But you're right, he doesn't have a ton
Speaker 1: of experience with this either. I think the whole key
Speaker 1: to the game here in Cleveland is whether or not
Speaker 1: Brownie the Elf will be part of it on the
Speaker 1: field the whole season. Yeah, I mean bean, okay, and play.
Speaker 1: That's a new take. Yet there was he like he's
Speaker 1: going to be, and the timing of the game, as
Speaker 1: bad as the ending of the game was for the Browns,
Speaker 1: and Sunday it's nice that they get to get out
Speaker 1: there and if they put together a good performance there
Speaker 1: two in one and you kind of move past the ugliness.
Speaker 1: Let's see if they can do it. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a slobber knocker. If you like a little fun in
Speaker 1: this game football dork stuff. Jeremiah Cormo is becoming like
Speaker 1: one of my favorite players in the league. Just watch
Speaker 1: every single play. Watch where he is. He's always in
Speaker 1: a different spot and he's like the future of linebackers
Speaker 1: the way he can move in coverage and move all
Speaker 1: over the field. He has been the man. All right,
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Speaker 1: your anchor, colleen, uh is your husband of many, many years,
Speaker 1: the Great John Gonzalez of the sports illustrated fame. He
Speaker 1: has the SI podcast, a man of many talents and
Speaker 1: now he joins us. This is I said I want
Speaker 1: here because John, by the way, welcome back to the show, Yang.
Speaker 1: Always good to see you. CONGRATS on the eagles. Um,
Speaker 1: you should know at the top of today's show I
Speaker 1: did check in with Greg because you ethered him on twitter.
Speaker 1: You went viral, uh, and Greg pretended like he didn't
Speaker 1: even know that he had been ether. I look at
Speaker 1: it differently. I look at it like a friend that's
Speaker 1: how that's your my love language with John. You give
Speaker 1: each other grief. You know that's what he's doing with friends.
Speaker 1: So I didn't consider it an ether the way you positioned.
Speaker 1: Then he took a shot at you for your chains.
Speaker 1: At that point I felt uncomfortable because I was like,
Speaker 1: John needs to be here if Greg's gonna be firing
Speaker 1: off shots like that. Just because Gregg chose not to
Speaker 1: answer to the tweet, you should still have the option
Speaker 1: to answer to the chain heat. Uh. So here's your chance.
Speaker 1: John gonzals versus Greg Rosenthal, cornered animal match. You know,
Speaker 1: I agree with Greg that you're setting us up to
Speaker 1: each other when we love each other. I think your
Speaker 1: your listeners and uh, that how I feel about you guys.
Speaker 1: Certainly people on twitter who see US interact. No, but
Speaker 1: just in case, because we did get a lot more
Speaker 1: people involved with that tweet than I anticipated. Like I
Speaker 1: showed up to colleen before I tweeted it and she
Speaker 1: said that's funny and I had said and then it
Speaker 1: was just a million people in and Rosie's mentioned. So
Speaker 1: apologies for that, Rosie, but just to make it clear,
Speaker 1: I love Rosie. He's my brother, as all of you
Speaker 1: guys are. But sometimes, when you come for Philadelphia and
Speaker 1: you want to behave your shame, you get what you
Speaker 1: ask for. It don't want none. Don't start none. I
Speaker 1: wanted it. That's why I got enough problems. Like I
Speaker 1: feel so good about that extra G in my name. Like,
Speaker 1: like you, you could never rock my foundation of how
Speaker 1: vital and necessary and important that extra G is. It's
Speaker 1: really a huge part of who I am, John Always.
Speaker 1: But that's that's the irony here. As I know that
Speaker 1: Greg loves his Jeez. I love Jeez too. I honestly
Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it. I figured Rosie would see it,
Speaker 1: laugh and roll his eyes at me being stupid, and
Speaker 1: that would be and from my vantage point. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Philadelphia had other ideas well. It's fine, I love I
Speaker 1: love Philly. I like I picked the eagles to win
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl here. But philly does sometimes try to
Speaker 1: have it both ways. It's like, Hey, we're fun, we
Speaker 1: like to make jokes, and then when you just throw
Speaker 1: in a silly joke, it's not like I was like
Speaker 1: coming after the core of WHO Philadelphia is as a human.
Speaker 1: It was just a silly joke. This feels this is
Speaker 1: unnecessary and they take it, they take it inside their
Speaker 1: heart and, like some people got very upset, but you know,
Speaker 1: twitter is gonna be a bit sure about it and
Speaker 1: think about it on that level of NUANCECP. And and
Speaker 1: to Greg's comment that you perhaps are too old to
Speaker 1: have chains, John, uh, yeah, I mean, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with WHO I am at my age and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I rocked that chain with pride. You know,
Speaker 1: my dad gave me that chains. So that Greg, that
Speaker 1: you picked it up in Greece. You know that I admires. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he came as a compliment when I was talking
Speaker 1: about how how John like came to get together really,
Speaker 1: you know, casual but well dressed, when it was like
Speaker 1: next level and everyone I was saying what I was
Speaker 1: impressed by it, Um and I was saying like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a little too underdressed here, right, and it was
Speaker 1: really the chain that dresses it up. What your take
Speaker 1: is on this, then you're actually old to wear a chain, though. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's if you can pull it off, John Ken,
Speaker 1: he can definitely. I don't think I could, and it's
Speaker 1: also late to add it like if I, if you,
Speaker 1: if I was always a chain guy. That's one thing
Speaker 1: if you're ADA and you're nobody knows that here. A
Speaker 1: chain guy, though, because you could have just like happened
Speaker 1: under your look. I don't see Gonzo is putting himself
Speaker 1: into these age categories where he hits he hits forties,
Speaker 1: so suddenly he has to remove eighty elements from his
Speaker 1: life and become like every other four year Olgo a
Speaker 1: Gonzo does. He places his own trip like that always,
Speaker 1: colleen knows, we've discussed this many times. Got To be
Speaker 1: your own person in this world. So train, no chain,
Speaker 1: as long as you're comfortable being you. That's good. An
Speaker 1: unbelievable appearance here, taking the high road. Beautiful. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it for today's show. Next time you hear from
Speaker 1: us it will be what John didn't have to be
Speaker 1: thrown off the show like. Yeah, that was all fun done.
Speaker 1: I'm never speaking to you again. That was it. We'll
Speaker 1: be back Thursday with a full preview of every week
Speaker 1: three game to come, so make sure you check that out.
Speaker 1: Check out the power rank this podcast, check out the
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Speaker 1: what day mark? I know it's Thursday, September. It's nine
Speaker 1: days from now. So I know math is not your thing,
Speaker 1: but this is for me. It's in nine days. It's
Speaker 1: next Thursday. You could come see us in London in
Speaker 1: nine days. Where we go with the cut out of myself?
Speaker 1: We are working on it. That can I not even
Speaker 1: get a cut out there in production. That is the word,
Speaker 1: the corporate jargon, efforting cut out it colleen Wolf for England. Alright,
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