Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season to fifty five,
Speaker 1: episode five of Jd Guy Day production of I heart radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. And it's Thursday. NOPE, and it's
Speaker 1: Friday September. I'll read whatever's on the PROMPTER, man. You know,
Speaker 1: whatever you want, whatever you want. Shout out to my
Speaker 1: boy Chris's birthday today. Also it's celebrate Bisexuality Day, Energize Day,
Speaker 1: national gay men's HIV a's awareness day, national checkers day,
Speaker 1: national great American pop Pie Day, National Snacks, Dick Day,
Speaker 1: teals pocks day, yeah, and rest his legs awareness day.
Speaker 1: Gotta be okay. Oh Wow, the fucking promotional picture for
Speaker 1: this is like jerky sausages, but like ones that have
Speaker 1: been like baked in a puff, like a puff pastry spiral,
Speaker 1: like a pigs and blanket, fancy Turkey sausage slices on
Speaker 1: rich crackers. So I feel like that's not the snack
Speaker 1: stick that need, that we need to be honoring. You know,
Speaker 1: I think it's just good old fashions. Holding your hand,
Speaker 1: find pieces of it in your ash tray, like two
Speaker 1: weeks after after a road trip type snack stick is
Speaker 1: is what I had. Definitely. Yeah, I think this is
Speaker 1: also just from the like horribly processed meats lobby being
Speaker 1: like we need to do, to celebrate things you shouldn't
Speaker 1: unless you want like seven years orth the sodium and
Speaker 1: two bites the pig ins lobby unload. The text for
Speaker 1: this is so like you can tell it's written by
Speaker 1: the people who make the poison, because it's made primarily
Speaker 1: made with beef. For Pork's next stick parking back to
Speaker 1: the days when families preserved quantities of beef, pork and
Speaker 1: game full of family tradition. They made sausage. The made
Speaker 1: American tradition. Yeah, developed generation after generation. The recipes use
Speaker 1: premium ingredients and an abundance of love, or sold during
Speaker 1: night whatever, when frontier families would inject their beef leavings
Speaker 1: with nitrates to make them extra delicious. Yes, as they
Speaker 1: chased away the indigenous people. Yes, hearken back to simpler
Speaker 1: all right, my name's Jack O'Brien, a k. all the
Speaker 1: other kids know how to smile for picks, but my
Speaker 1: sons make me frown. What disappointment. You heard it, Ramsey
Speaker 1: and Bo you heard me sons that that is uh
Speaker 1: an AK, courtesy of Radio Georgio, in reference to the
Speaker 1: fact that my, my kids are bad at school pictures there,
Speaker 1: their smiles are their their way towards the bottom of
Speaker 1: the power rankings for best school pictures in the yearbook
Speaker 1: that I do every year. And, you know, make them
Speaker 1: watch me and my explanation and, you know, diagram everything out. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined, as always, by my co host,
Speaker 1: Mr Miles. Miles Gray, straight out the fucking shadows of
Speaker 1: North Hollywood, the Lord of Lankershim has appeared to continue
Speaker 1: his crusade against smiling in school photos. Identify with your
Speaker 1: kids as somebody who was told to smile. So fucking
Speaker 1: for the full disclosure. My Dad as a photographer, so
Speaker 1: he would want to take pictures of me. Other fucking
Speaker 1: photographer friends like hey, man, smile. I'm like fuck all this.
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm not the best smiler. So I
Speaker 1: feel that. I feel that, and they didn't ruin it.
Speaker 1: If anything, they're gonna have interesting pictures because they're gonna
Speaker 1: look back and they'll be like, I remember this. I
Speaker 1: hated fucking smiling and this is what came out. No,
Speaker 1: they are pretty funny. We actually ordered one in particular
Speaker 1: because it was so much. Yeah, it was embarrassing and
Speaker 1: it looked like my son was taking a ship like
Speaker 1: kind of for some reason, and he liked it too.
Speaker 1: He was like yeah, yeah, the way. So we went
Speaker 1: with we did two for that year. anyways, miles, we
Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
Speaker 1: the bassist and organist and multi instrumentalists from one of
Speaker 1: my favorite bands of all time, the Walkman. He's a
Speaker 1: singer songwriter whose third solo album, flowers, which I absolutely love,
Speaker 1: drops today, September. It's Peter Matthew bow what's like? Hey,
Speaker 1: how's it going? Welcome man. Thank you for having me. Pete,
Speaker 1: we've known each other. This is I think this is
Speaker 1: the longest I've ever known somebody who has been on
Speaker 1: the show. I used to house house sit for you
Speaker 1: when I was in my early twenties. Your wife drove
Speaker 1: me to I forgot. Your wife drove me to get
Speaker 1: my driver's test when I was sixteen years old. Wait O, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I knew his wife before I knew Pete.
Speaker 1: Oh God, be like yeah, I know, I know Pete
Speaker 1: from the Walkman. That's how you always used to talk
Speaker 1: about Pete. And then now knowing. Oh wait, so you
Speaker 1: know his wife from what? Go back and yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: way I'm guessing, is the same age cohort giving you
Speaker 1: rides to school? Yeah, I mean she was. She was
Speaker 1: in college and drove me to she was my sister,
Speaker 1: my cool sister, Shannon's roommate or like. They were like
Speaker 1: next four neighbors Freshman Year of college, and I don't
Speaker 1: know how she got roped into driving me to my
Speaker 1: driver's test, but she did. She probably wanted to. She's
Speaker 1: like really driving their whole family. So and I fucked
Speaker 1: it up badly and and only passed my driver's test
Speaker 1: because the person, the WHO gave me the test was
Speaker 1: the aunt of like one of my teammates on the
Speaker 1: basketball wow, whole conspiracies. And here you go. Are you from?
Speaker 1: Are you from DC? Also, isn't that? It's our Walkman
Speaker 1: is like from R C band. Right, was the origins.
Speaker 1: We all grew up in D C. Got it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're all we're all DC kids. And then over the
Speaker 1: time people moved to New York at different times, like
Speaker 1: any in the band pass to right. Yeah, at that point. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like a lot of the guys
Speaker 1: were a little older than me and the singer and
Speaker 1: so we thought it was like they went to New
Speaker 1: York and started a different band like did well, and
Speaker 1: we're like that's amazing. You can, you know, play to
Speaker 1: people so that we've moved to Any York after that. Nice,
Speaker 1: like their little brothers. Yeah, the album is really fucking
Speaker 1: cool and I really like both your solo albums, but
Speaker 1: this really I don't know, I think I think Walkman
Speaker 1: fans particularly are going to absolutely love this album. It's
Speaker 1: it's absolute. Yeah, yeah, it's it's so good. It's really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll give you a taste of one of my favorite banks.
Speaker 1: Really for you of a Remix of one of your tracks,
Speaker 1: try this one on Peter. You Ever Heard Twenty First
Speaker 1: Century station? Yeah, pretty good. You might like it. Love.
Speaker 1: I would love a remix and we're actually gonna sing
Speaker 1: over it, if that's cool. Yeah, we've. Yeah, we've reworked
Speaker 1: the vocals to be about my kids ineptness when it
Speaker 1: comes to school photos. Talking a bit with that. That's
Speaker 1: totally fine. Yeah, that that song is actually includes my
Speaker 1: daughter and my wife singing and then the dog like
Speaker 1: walking around to that, around the whole yeah, I love yeah,
Speaker 1: some wild light from I forget. Is that your second
Speaker 1: off your second album? Yeah, that's off the second one.
Speaker 1: It's called Mount coff. Yeah, that's one of my kid's
Speaker 1: favorite songs. Just across we we have a a mix
Speaker 1: made up of like every song they've liked since they
Speaker 1: started liking music, and that is always in heavy rotation. Um,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's that has your your family
Speaker 1: singing on it too, right, probably. I think it's definitely
Speaker 1: my wife. Yeah, she's usually the you know, she's upstairs,
Speaker 1: so it's like I need someone to sing on this one.
Speaker 1: You know, it's quick. I don't like those records when
Speaker 1: everyone's got like features, you know. So I like, I
Speaker 1: like just like everyone, you know, your family or whoever's around,
Speaker 1: being on a record. It's weird to like have to
Speaker 1: go hit up, you know, and it sounds really good.
Speaker 1: It makes it easier for the credits. That's right. All right, Pete,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of the things we're talking about. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about miles. You put this. Well, we're at the you
Speaker 1: wouldn't punch a man with glasses stage of trump's defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's just he's going for it. He's going with props.
Speaker 1: At this point he's just like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: we're talking about bending like space, time and reality with
Speaker 1: we'll get to it, but yeah, it's truly a swing
Speaker 1: that I've I've not quite seen. We'll talk about TV
Speaker 1: versus Tiktok, all of that plenty more, but first, Pete,
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guests what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history that is revealing about who you are? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I tried to come up with something. So most
Speaker 1: of my search history, which I never really looked at,
Speaker 1: was about like things you can do with Tahiny. So
Speaker 1: that's not that interesting. Like that's the that's like the
Speaker 1: most interesting thing I had. or it's like who's that
Speaker 1: guy on the TV show? That's basically all I use
Speaker 1: it for. Is like when I'm watching TV, a google
Speaker 1: like you know who this character actor is, but my friend.
Speaker 1: So I was asking my friend last night and he's
Speaker 1: he was like, well, you could tell him. How Much
Speaker 1: Do you pee in your lifetime. That's something he could
Speaker 1: Google yesterday. This is a younger guy. He's like twenty four,
Speaker 1: so he's into that sort of thing. And IT Turns
Speaker 1: Out You pee about eighteen thousand gallons over the course
Speaker 1: of your life, your average person, and that's about half
Speaker 1: a swimming pool. I thought that was sort of so
Speaker 1: no matter how hard you try your whole life, you
Speaker 1: could only fill half a swimming pool with you. I
Speaker 1: mean you could probably, like I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: you could try harder and get up a little bit,
Speaker 1: but your average user, you know, I don't know, I'm
Speaker 1: like kind of Crestfallen hearing that. I don't know, that's
Speaker 1: not enough peak for me. I feel like I can
Speaker 1: do better than that. Is that not feel like swimming pool? Well,
Speaker 1: there's like an average swimming pool. I don't know what
Speaker 1: that means exactly. An average swiming pool is thirty five
Speaker 1: thousand gallons. So I feel like I could fill the
Speaker 1: swimming pool by the if I make it, if I'm
Speaker 1: making it like a long time. Yeah, if you work hard,
Speaker 1: stay hydrated and continue there. There is a power washer
Speaker 1: going in the background just for added effect. But your
Speaker 1: neighbor is trying to fill a pool right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I almost there, man, I'm almost there. I mean what?
Speaker 1: Because they say you do. Maybe you peep between four
Speaker 1: and ten times a day if everything's going right. Is
Speaker 1: that right? That's what they say. That feels like a lot.
Speaker 1: Four in ten. I guess ten feels like a lot.
Speaker 1: Four feels but maybe not. But we have different size bladders,
Speaker 1: we have different you know, our you know our our peak.
Speaker 1: We all come from different P backgrounds, you know. So
Speaker 1: sometimes you like to be and then the minute you
Speaker 1: have a sensation. Other Times you're working and you're like,
Speaker 1: I think I get away with a couple more yes, hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just burst like to it's speeds. If you've ever heard
Speaker 1: this show and been like are they on like one
Speaker 1: point five times, like what? What? Why is this like
Speaker 1: double speed? That's you're doing. You're about the shows, about
Speaker 1: your rat p that's me. That's me having to pee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but anyways, fascinating stuff. I figured I had to feel.
Speaker 1: I Figured Hee's gonna do something about how how much
Speaker 1: we pee in our lifetimes. I just you knew that
Speaker 1: coming in. Yeah, I'm also curious. What can you do
Speaker 1: with tiny though? I'm also interested in me. I ate
Speaker 1: I started eating these, like not because I'm like a
Speaker 1: particularly healthy person at all, like but I just started
Speaker 1: eating these macrobiotic lunches years ago that are like, you know,
Speaker 1: just steam vegetables and like Tofu and this techini sauce,
Speaker 1: and I got like everything else. You know, kind of
Speaker 1: get sleepy after lunch and this we just feel like
Speaker 1: running through a wall, and so I don't know. Then
Speaker 1: I got obsessed with tehiny. I like I could put
Speaker 1: tiny on anything, like just you know. So I'm always
Speaker 1: trying to figure out different versions of again. That's why
Speaker 1: I didn't choose it, because it's kind of boring, you know.
Speaker 1: I just like I'm like, can you put teeny instead
Speaker 1: of you know, mustard on this thing? And you know,
Speaker 1: like just trying to come up with different dressing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I I love Tahini and I when I remember when
Speaker 1: I found out it's like in desserts too. I was
Speaker 1: like this thing is the most fucking malleable sauce I've
Speaker 1: ever seen. They make a like a healthy NTELA that
Speaker 1: my wife ordered, but it's all it's all says to me,
Speaker 1: to heiny based and there's like a little chocolate in it.
Speaker 1: But it's great. It's like it's amazing. I gotta remember
Speaker 1: the brand name, but I like out of the jar.
Speaker 1: The chocolate hummas really fucks me up because it does
Speaker 1: taste so good, but I don't know, like my brain
Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do with it. Are you making
Speaker 1: a joke? Yeah, chocolate hummas. No, no, no, chocolate. This
Speaker 1: is like something. You can get it Ralph's. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the first time like we're doing too much traighter Joe's,
Speaker 1: and then every listener was like, you think it looks
Speaker 1: and sounds fucked up, and then you'd eat it and
Speaker 1: then you realize you are fucked up and then you
Speaker 1: realize you are the one. You are the fun up one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the other one. The other reason I bring it up
Speaker 1: is the assault. Have you ever had like a millionaire
Speaker 1: bar with Tahini and horrible? That my God. You make
Speaker 1: your own Saltic Caramel with like a cookie base and
Speaker 1: like this Caramel Tahini filling and you gets like Vegan,
Speaker 1: excellent dessert. Wait, what do you mean? You make your own?
Speaker 1: What do you what does someone so the second I've
Speaker 1: never had. I've never bought a millionaire bar, but someone
Speaker 1: like made it like a home recipe, like they made
Speaker 1: it on their own, and ever since then it's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite desserts that I've had involved in Tahini.
Speaker 1: All Right, I'm googling that right after a millionaire bars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, wow, millionaire bar I've never even heard of that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I maxed out at the hundred grand bar is. That was.
Speaker 1: was that the name of the Bar? And Pete, what's
Speaker 1: something you think is overrated? I chose hippies, I think,
Speaker 1: like just hippies and hippie culture and the whole live
Speaker 1: in Laurel Canyon and there's like a lot of old
Speaker 1: hippies and they really just get my you know goat
Speaker 1: or whatever the saying is. I just can't. There's so
Speaker 1: many rules, there's always roles with hippies, and so that
Speaker 1: that was I thought that was overrated. What are Hippie
Speaker 1: just like, you know, like the the thing about that
Speaker 1: bothers me with the whole things. It's all like hey, man,
Speaker 1: like do whatever you want, like you know, like be
Speaker 1: free and everything, but do it exactly like I want
Speaker 1: to be done, you know, like don't you know? There's
Speaker 1: just a lot of like, you know, like there's a
Speaker 1: neighborhood and facebook group on Loyal Canyon. It's just like
Speaker 1: we're on it because you want to know if, like
Speaker 1: the neighborhoods on fire so you can go down the hill.
Speaker 1: But other than that it's just, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: all these old hippies complaining about stuff, and I feel
Speaker 1: like that's always been true, like as a touring musician,
Speaker 1: anytime you sort of run into like a Hippie on venue,
Speaker 1: there's always like a lot of rules that you can't
Speaker 1: stand over here, you gotta stand over there. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't eat. It's just, it's always it's just. It's
Speaker 1: a it's just a bullshit culture, I think, you know.
Speaker 1: And then, consequently, I chose metal as underrated because I
Speaker 1: think because my son has been becoming like a die
Speaker 1: hard like death metal guy right, you know, like really
Speaker 1: deep into metal, like he knows so much of aventialist.
Speaker 1: So like a real victory for for fatherhood, he he
Speaker 1: wants me to go to the shows with him. It's
Speaker 1: like a big bag because I'm proud that like my
Speaker 1: son's like yeah, you want to come, and I'm like yeah,
Speaker 1: I do, you know, sort of. But then I got actually,
Speaker 1: you go to the show, you know, but I have
Speaker 1: been enjoying it a lot. Like last night I went
Speaker 1: to the seventeen twenty nightclub in downtown and saw a
Speaker 1: blood incantation, which I just would never think I'd seen
Speaker 1: those words together, but I did it, you know, and
Speaker 1: this is the second time I've actually seen blood incantation
Speaker 1: in about a month. So that US. They never like
Speaker 1: failed to just absolutely nailed the genre of like band name,
Speaker 1: like it is always so on point, like blood incantation.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of them, but that's that is if
Speaker 1: the Colorado Um. But yeah, he made me go to
Speaker 1: Las Vegas, which is another thing I just like I
Speaker 1: would say is very overrated, would be the city of
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. It's just hell R and Um it's similarly,
Speaker 1: it's like they're like hey, anything goes, like, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever stays in Vegas, blah, blah, blah. But like they
Speaker 1: have so many rules for everything in Las Vegas that
Speaker 1: it's just insane. So how are you supposed to have
Speaker 1: fun if it's I don't know, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: you can only have this sort of one type of fun,
Speaker 1: which is like detrimental to you. Right. Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 1: How like that sort of evolution of like yeah, man,
Speaker 1: in the sixties when I was young, I was like
Speaker 1: funk all this dumb ship. Then I realized I have
Speaker 1: assets and UH, investments that I need to protect and
Speaker 1: you know, like h o a is actually a pretty
Speaker 1: good way to kind of keep, you know, take care
Speaker 1: of our property values. But Yeah, man, Love, love, a
Speaker 1: bit of love. A linen shirt, though. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Do we think that hippies were there was something there
Speaker 1: to begin with in that generation that was like they
Speaker 1: they were so anti establishment because they wanted to make
Speaker 1: their own rules. Like were were they to begin with
Speaker 1: our own very rigid set of rules? Or was it
Speaker 1: like that the CIA and like Nixon and Reagan just
Speaker 1: like eventually wore them down with like all sorts of
Speaker 1: infiltration and like mind brainwashing and like the the incentives
Speaker 1: of capitalism just like wore them down? I don't know.
Speaker 1: boomers call in. Yeah. Well, that's a good question, though,
Speaker 1: because I want I always wonder like if those like
Speaker 1: that early generation were actually the same type of person
Speaker 1: as like what you would meet in like like a
Speaker 1: grateful dead concert or something like. Like are they the
Speaker 1: same personality type, or was that like early thing like
Speaker 1: this kind of like revolutionary, like crazy. You know, these
Speaker 1: are just different people, you know, than like than they
Speaker 1: are now, because I just I don't get it. It's not,
Speaker 1: it's just not at all. Yeah, just let me put
Speaker 1: my garbage cans however the funk I want to, in
Speaker 1: front of my house. You don't have the handles the
Speaker 1: other way, facing the street. It's like, what does it matter?
Speaker 1: A metal claw comes and fucking grabs it and throws
Speaker 1: it in a truck. Right. I feel like I get
Speaker 1: an anonymous note like every month for about this my
Speaker 1: garbage cans. They leave a little note on the garbage
Speaker 1: can and I'm like, man, sleep crazy. What are they
Speaker 1: what are they criticizing about your garbage cans? Like your placement,
Speaker 1: but a recycling can doesn't have a lid on it,
Speaker 1: and I like that because then I can add more
Speaker 1: recycling to it. It's I can pile it really high, right.
Speaker 1: And also, like, as someone who grew up in L
Speaker 1: A and like knows how like the lifespan of those
Speaker 1: like city cans. Sometimes they just get bashed around so
Speaker 1: much the Lids just are a thing that doesn't exist
Speaker 1: on your can anymore, you know, and like it takes.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Dial three, one, one and
Speaker 1: wait for fucking weeks? I mean sometimes they come pretty quickly,
Speaker 1: other times, I remember in north Hollywood I asked for
Speaker 1: like fucking ages, me like man their ship as a
Speaker 1: huge hole in the side. But if you have a
Speaker 1: lid on your recycling, you're not recycling enough, is what
Speaker 1: I would say. You're using high enough. Yeah, yeah, wow, okay,
Speaker 1: so you barely use that ship. So are you gonna
Speaker 1: go to that with sugar show then with your son
Speaker 1: coming up? You know, I don't know if he's that
Speaker 1: into yet. I don't know that that's not. When we
Speaker 1: play in the CAR A lot. We just got a
Speaker 1: lot of like electric wizard, which is like a doom
Speaker 1: metal band. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, torches opening for them,
Speaker 1: and you know that that basis has the bomb note.
Speaker 1: It's just fun to experience in person because they make
Speaker 1: your stomach upset. And I came to the baby shower
Speaker 1: for that something that you're talking about, the most hungover
Speaker 1: I've ever been in my entire life. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that was evident to you, but yeah, it was
Speaker 1: bad times for me. But that's so cool. That's so
Speaker 1: cool to hear that he's like kind of into his own,
Speaker 1: his own thing, and like wants you to come with him.
Speaker 1: That's like that's the dream man. That is really that's
Speaker 1: so cool. It is. That's the cool thing, right, like
Speaker 1: you know, like you, you don't want to be like like, like,
Speaker 1: I'm very into that. He's into this culture and I
Speaker 1: do like the subculture of it, because I don't think
Speaker 1: there's that many subcultures left. Really. Everything feels very like,
Speaker 1: you know, this big world, and metal at least, like
Speaker 1: they you know, it feels like everybody kind of knows
Speaker 1: each other or like supports each other. So I think
Speaker 1: it's great. And then, you know, I'm so happy that
Speaker 1: he takes me along and like last night, we me
Speaker 1: and him and then this this kid, Charlie, who was
Speaker 1: one of the bands I managed, called Lily. We all
Speaker 1: just went and it was fun. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: a good my son is, she's he's seventeen and he's
Speaker 1: sixth green now. Too. Yeah, so, yeah, so you're there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now you're at the shows. Like I ain't getting in
Speaker 1: the pitch. Not what guys like you in there. I
Speaker 1: got in the pit the other day and I forgot.
Speaker 1: I also broke my toe the other day on like
Speaker 1: a fool chair, like a like it's just a total asshole.
Speaker 1: Just like walked into a pool chair and broke my
Speaker 1: toe and I totally have forgotten because it was all
Speaker 1: taped up so it didn't hurt. And then I went
Speaker 1: in the pit at this other show because they were
Speaker 1: like yeah, you gotta come with me and I was
Speaker 1: like all right, this would be funny and then this
Speaker 1: kid just stopped in my foot immediately. I only forgot.
Speaker 1: That's only just sends. This guy's this tenderfooted funck and
Speaker 1: love someone. All right. So how did you like what? How?
Speaker 1: Because the way I work around like my what my
Speaker 1: kids are into, is just if they seem to like
Speaker 1: a song or if I hear a song that I
Speaker 1: like that reminds me of a song that they already like,
Speaker 1: I'll like add it to their mix. Like, how how
Speaker 1: did you go about like parenting from a music perspective?
Speaker 1: I actually think very similar. I mean think we turned
Speaker 1: Otis off for years because he went on tour with
Speaker 1: us when he was a little kid and you know,
Speaker 1: so for a long time, like even when he was
Speaker 1: like fifteen, he was like man, I don't really like music,
Speaker 1: like I just, you know, kind of because it's what
Speaker 1: you like. What you were saying miles like I don't
Speaker 1: want my picture taken because, like that's what your dead.
Speaker 1: So but then he kind of found his own way.
Speaker 1: But I think it's some of like like I think
Speaker 1: you don't force it on people, like he's just kind
Speaker 1: of like, Oh, this is what you like. Great, like
Speaker 1: my daughter is like loves musical theater, so I had
Speaker 1: to learn a lot about musical theater, which is not
Speaker 1: something I ever thought I'd do either, but now I
Speaker 1: can totally get into that, you know. But it's kind
Speaker 1: of their aw, it's like their own path. Otherwise it's
Speaker 1: like that. I was at this wedding party this weekend
Speaker 1: and there was this really like uppity lady telling us
Speaker 1: about how she drove her kids around like and made
Speaker 1: them listen to the entire Beatles in the car and
Speaker 1: like the entire discussion. I was like, man, that sounds
Speaker 1: like one. That's the last thing I want to do
Speaker 1: is be in a car with you for like four hours,
Speaker 1: like driving around looking at the Beatles. But it's just
Speaker 1: the kids. I mean it was just I guarantee you
Speaker 1: they will not like music later because that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, it's I just love the wisdom
Speaker 1: of like any person like you, as a musician who
Speaker 1: you know, you probably look at your own evolution of
Speaker 1: like liking music. It's more just like just get out
Speaker 1: the way. Kids like music like they're they're gonna figure it,
Speaker 1: like they'll find their own time and place and genre
Speaker 1: for it all. But yeah, being forced to listen to
Speaker 1: music was the thing I fucking hated as a kid,
Speaker 1: like where my dad would be like, Oh, you should
Speaker 1: try this album, or my mom like, Oh, this piece
Speaker 1: of music you'd really like. But passively they were always
Speaker 1: playing all kinds of music that even the ship they
Speaker 1: wanted me to hear, I would listen to when I
Speaker 1: wasn't forced to listen to it, because I was like
Speaker 1: what's that playing, like, Oh, this is debussy, let's go on. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta. You have to take your own agency and
Speaker 1: ownership of stuff like that. Otherwise it's like it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. You know. All right, let's take a quick break,
Speaker 1: we'll come back. We'll talk some news. Yeah, we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. And we're back and things are not going
Speaker 1: well with the with trump's defense against the document investigation,
Speaker 1: and it seems like desperate times happening right now with
Speaker 1: regards to like, yeah, it's a he's kind of fucked.
Speaker 1: They got to a level of judges that are not
Speaker 1: his cronies and it doesn't look good. Yeah, it's uh,
Speaker 1: there's just so much going on right now, like, especially
Speaker 1: as it relates to the documents case. But it just
Speaker 1: reminds me of one of my favorite moments in the
Speaker 1: O G Batman. Is like like when Batman is pummeling
Speaker 1: the joker at the end and the jokers trying everything
Speaker 1: he can to being like avoid being absolutely just rocked
Speaker 1: off the side of this building where it's like you
Speaker 1: made me. You gotta remember, like first he's getting angry
Speaker 1: and then he's like trying to pivot to something and
Speaker 1: then at the end nothing is connecting with the with
Speaker 1: the Batman, where he is a bit to try and
Speaker 1: save himself, he produces a pair of eyeglasses, put some
Speaker 1: on and just goes. You wouldn't. You wouldn't hit a
Speaker 1: guy with glasses. How would you wait to feel like shit?
Speaker 1: I don't know. How was to stop this beating and
Speaker 1: which Batman replies with just knocking him the funk out
Speaker 1: off the side of a building. So the answer was, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would hit a guy with glasses, because you're not
Speaker 1: a guy with glasses. You just put fucking glasses on
Speaker 1: to try to make me I don't know what that was.
Speaker 1: So it always made me laugh because it's just like,
Speaker 1: I just love how it was such a perfectly written
Speaker 1: last gasp effort, just desperation. Just as a kid right
Speaker 1: the idea that merely putting eyeglasses on has somehow exempted
Speaker 1: you from all of the other ship you've done. I
Speaker 1: was like, that's tidy. I like the logic of that joker.
Speaker 1: I'm also four years old, so you know, maybe I
Speaker 1: could use better examples anyway. So trump is now in
Speaker 1: a pretty desperate place and he's trying to find a
Speaker 1: way to make his theft of classified materials seem like
Speaker 1: normal and legal, and we touched on that this special
Speaker 1: master hearing that that occurred on Tuesday. The absolutely destroyed
Speaker 1: his lawyers by merely saying look, if you can't prove
Speaker 1: these documents were declassified, then there's actually no reason for
Speaker 1: me to even look at them. Without Looking, I know
Speaker 1: that classified documents are not the property of a private citizen,
Speaker 1: there the government's property. So the only way that we
Speaker 1: can we can have anything move in your direction is
Speaker 1: if you start showing me how these these documents were declassified.
Speaker 1: His lawyers tried to argue that they couldn't reveal any
Speaker 1: of that because it might be used as a defense
Speaker 1: later on if he's charged with the crime, and the
Speaker 1: judge was like, okay, good for you, fam but this
Speaker 1: isn't a criminal proceeding. So Do do you? However, you
Speaker 1: have to, you have to show me these, these classification
Speaker 1: receipts are, honestly, I don't even have to look and
Speaker 1: I can just be like all right now, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: really in favorite with the d o j, because what
Speaker 1: are we talking about here? So mostly legal observers agree
Speaker 1: that this has been a spectacular misstep for trump, you know,
Speaker 1: given that the judge was not some cultist willing to
Speaker 1: bend the law, you know, for you know, like for
Speaker 1: whatever his desires were, like the one like judge cannon
Speaker 1: in Florida, and because of like all the talk now
Speaker 1: about the special master and like, Oh, this guy's I
Speaker 1: don't like. How the how could he possibly come up
Speaker 1: with anything to save his ASS. Now he went to
Speaker 1: the safe, soothing waters of Sean Hannity's show to talk
Speaker 1: about to get his big brain talking point out there
Speaker 1: that he did classify them. Gonna play this for you.
Speaker 1: You you will here in a real time how even
Speaker 1: trump is like funck man. I don't know how to
Speaker 1: say this in a way that even makes sense, but
Speaker 1: if I keep saying it, maybe it will make sense.
Speaker 1: So Sean Hannity has just set him up for dude. Like.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, like you know, like tell us
Speaker 1: about classification, like how, how would this all work? Enter
Speaker 1: Mr Worth Salad. If you're the president of the United States,
Speaker 1: you can de Class if I just by saying stick less,
Speaker 1: like even by thinking about it, because you're sending it
Speaker 1: tomorrow Lago or to wherever you're sending it, and there
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be a process. There can be a process,
Speaker 1: but there doesn't have to be. You're the president. You
Speaker 1: make that decision. So when you send it, it's the
Speaker 1: class of it. We I de classified everything. Now, I
Speaker 1: declassified things and we were having a lot of problems
Speaker 1: with NARA. You know, NARA UH is a radical left
Speaker 1: group of people running that when you send documents over
Speaker 1: there say there's a very good chance and a lot
Speaker 1: of those documents will never be seen again. There's also
Speaker 1: a lot of speculation because of what they did the
Speaker 1: severity of the FBI coming and rating marl ago. Were
Speaker 1: they looking for the Hillary Clinton emails? Who put a
Speaker 1: whole minute to end up at Hillary Clinton? Wow, I
Speaker 1: still think he's going to get off, though. Do you
Speaker 1: guys think that he's? Oh, I always, I'll never, I'll
Speaker 1: never bet. I would never put money that he's going
Speaker 1: on jail. I would never bet money that he's going
Speaker 1: to jail consequence. Ever, like for me, this is the
Speaker 1: moment that we get a surprise when you're like really, now, wealthy,
Speaker 1: corrupts people do go to jail, do they? Okay, maybe,
Speaker 1: but based on how he's talking and even just all
Speaker 1: like you know, his other tactics, he's really good at
Speaker 1: all the civil ship. You know, he's managed to worm
Speaker 1: his way out of that and like, you know, delaying
Speaker 1: to the point that people just lose their appetite for
Speaker 1: this ship. But with this he's just he's like stepping
Speaker 1: on like rake after rake and it's smashing him in
Speaker 1: the face. That, yeah, now he's really having to say. Actually,
Speaker 1: I can merely with my mind declassify these very sensitive
Speaker 1: documents when you send them. When you send them, their
Speaker 1: declass like, how how much clearer do I have to
Speaker 1: make it? When you send it tomorrow declassified, it goes
Speaker 1: through the tunnel email. Send your screenplay to yourself in
Speaker 1: the mail. It's sad, keyword coded documents, classified documents tomorrow
Speaker 1: Lago and they're declassified. Everybody reminded me of the when
Speaker 1: you're when you're famous, they let you do it speech
Speaker 1: where he's like, when you're president, you can do whatever
Speaker 1: you want. You can, you know. I mean that's what's
Speaker 1: wild about this, right, is that even his own fucking
Speaker 1: lawyers can't actually argue this in court because it's not
Speaker 1: real and it will cause consequences by just lying that
Speaker 1: they were. They know they can't say that they were
Speaker 1: declassified because they can't prove that they were and they're
Speaker 1: not about to say that in court. And we can't
Speaker 1: tell you the truth because that would be a spoiler
Speaker 1: for what we're gonna do in the big, the big trial. Okay, honestly,
Speaker 1: like it's all fantasy. My fucking the stupid bit I
Speaker 1: do where I'm saying Prince Harry and I are related
Speaker 1: because we were born on the exact same day. Somehow
Speaker 1: is a more sound legal take what Donald Trump is saying.
Speaker 1: I think you have. Yeah, and you can just hear
Speaker 1: how much this guy is just grasping for something. That
Speaker 1: like sounds like a real excuse. He even went on
Speaker 1: this other bit. He goes on to say like that
Speaker 1: maybe the FBI planted evidence on him. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: first of all, if the logic of having this planted
Speaker 1: on you is like well, then are they declassified or
Speaker 1: because if, if, if they're, if you're fine having them
Speaker 1: because they're declassified, then how could anyone plant anything on you?
Speaker 1: Unless you're saying that these are the ones that he
Speaker 1: didn't just throwing all the excuses out at the same time,
Speaker 1: even though, yeah, he's like they probably planted something. And
Speaker 1: then Sean Hannity asked just like one question that completely
Speaker 1: implodes the logic of what he's saying, and it's kind
Speaker 1: of an amazing moment here. This is him saying maybe
Speaker 1: the FBI planted something. I do just want people to
Speaker 1: know that this is happening in like a golden, like
Speaker 1: gilded room with like it's a white walls with just
Speaker 1: all of the embossing and ship like painted and gold
Speaker 1: behind him. I just think that's useful. Context like this
Speaker 1: is yeah, I talked about home watching paths of glory
Speaker 1: and like the speech or the scenes they have with
Speaker 1: the World War One generals. It's like a little on
Speaker 1: the nose that it's happening in these like looks like
Speaker 1: vers where they're having the meetings where they're like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna throw these people in the meat grinder because it'll
Speaker 1: get me an extra. You Know Chevron on my well,
Speaker 1: he's he's at the Wah Wah version of Versai. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's at the version, but it is just like very,
Speaker 1: very trumpy in and on the nose. But here's here's
Speaker 1: one of his last defenses. WHO GOES WHEN? Obviously that
Speaker 1: I can be classified that with my thoughts thing maybe
Speaker 1: sounds not as intelligent out loud. He goes and then
Speaker 1: maybe I just set up. They're fighting over him or
Speaker 1: arguing over him. The problem that you have is they
Speaker 1: go into rooms. They won't let anybody near that. They
Speaker 1: didn't even let him in the same building. Did they
Speaker 1: drop anything into those piles or did they do it later?
Speaker 1: There's no chain of custody here with them. Wouldn't that
Speaker 1: be on videotype potentially? But no, I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean they're in a room, room, Yo, he could
Speaker 1: only film outside. Man. Sorry, right, he gave up on
Speaker 1: that ship so quick. Alright, what else? What else you
Speaker 1: would have sue a man with glasses? He I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's wild. So yeah, there's there. There that.
Speaker 1: That whole interview was chock full of really interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: And just to add insult to injury, the eleventh circuit
Speaker 1: they agreed with the Department of Justice by saying they're
Speaker 1: like yeah, the stuff that like, you recovered, you please
Speaker 1: continue your investigation with those materials, like we don't know
Speaker 1: what the funk this other judge is talking about. So
Speaker 1: he's not finding like not a single decision is going
Speaker 1: his way in a courtroom. That isn't someone who's like
Speaker 1: a total fan, which is funny because two of the
Speaker 1: three judges that sit on the eleventh circuit were put
Speaker 1: in there by trump and they unanimously agreed. They're like, y'all, like,
Speaker 1: I get that he put me in, but I know,
Speaker 1: I know a little bit about how this works and
Speaker 1: I can't quite go there. So we shall see. But
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's I mean this judge candidate Florida
Speaker 1: seems willing to do anything. So, Um, he at least
Speaker 1: has that card to still play. We don't know where
Speaker 1: that will end up, though. Like you can't ride that
Speaker 1: all the way to the Supreme Court right like doesn't
Speaker 1: get sidebard like what? Like, isn't this a higher court
Speaker 1: that is saying get the funk out of here? And also,
Speaker 1: like what he would try and appeal right now. There's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like legally, is that I don't
Speaker 1: quite understand. But with judge cannon, she she like had
Speaker 1: a new filing that took out the special master thing
Speaker 1: that she was like that she granted trump and essentially,
Speaker 1: by doing that, it like takes away trump's ability to
Speaker 1: appeal anything too, because she changed her thing. It's an
Speaker 1: entire carnival of errors and I'm going to I will
Speaker 1: let everybody rely on actual legal experts to explain that.
Speaker 1: Suffice to say that things are not going well. But
Speaker 1: also never, never bet against trump seeing fucking consequences either. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it would be great if it really didn't go well,
Speaker 1: but it's just it's so hard to believe and I
Speaker 1: just like like, even as stupid as that interview is,
Speaker 1: like I think if you looked at an interview in
Speaker 1: like two thousand and eighteen he would say something just
Speaker 1: as crazy about something else. So it's like he gets
Speaker 1: away with it every time. I don't know, just keeps
Speaker 1: one upping himself and not none of it matters. No,
Speaker 1: and it's also kind of an effective way for to
Speaker 1: just like grind us down to the point where, like
Speaker 1: we've talked, we've talked before about how Hitler when he
Speaker 1: came to power, was like front page news and then
Speaker 1: by the time or when when he first came on
Speaker 1: the scene was front page news, but like by the
Speaker 1: time he came to power, people are just used to
Speaker 1: it and just being like, I don't know, like yeah,
Speaker 1: we've what what's there left to say? You know, this
Speaker 1: guy's fucking maniac and he keeps getting away with it
Speaker 1: and you know, that's kind of what's happening here. It's
Speaker 1: just grinding grinding us down and if there's does, it
Speaker 1: does seem to be a culture, a society that we
Speaker 1: exist in that has figured out like the wealthy and powerful,
Speaker 1: I figured out that they have no consequences. Like that's
Speaker 1: not that's kind of the explanation for inflation that we'll
Speaker 1: probably get to on tomorrow's episode. But it's basically like,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we can just charge them however fucking much
Speaker 1: we want. It doesn't matter. Like it no, nobody can
Speaker 1: do anything anymore to us, so why would we not
Speaker 1: just do the thing that gives us the biggest advantage
Speaker 1: over and over again? Yeah, like, I mean they still
Speaker 1: have the confidence of honestly been like who's gonna fucking
Speaker 1: stop us? Eat? That's honestly. You can just distill every
Speaker 1: meeting of you know, movers of capital to something like
Speaker 1: who's gonna fucking stop us? And if they do, we'll
Speaker 1: bust the will bust the unions. Okay, all right, we
Speaker 1: gotta fucking plan. It's worked for over let's work for
Speaker 1: centuries now. But I don't know, I think that is
Speaker 1: the that is the difference that I think not a
Speaker 1: lot of people are sensing is that a lot of
Speaker 1: people are outraged and are now being like no, you
Speaker 1: know what, there might be something I can do about it.
Speaker 1: Not that it's happening in a widespread sort of pattern,
Speaker 1: but that sentiment is shifting where a lot of people
Speaker 1: are no longer interested in being like well, what can
Speaker 1: you do about it? Right? Yeah, I do think that,
Speaker 1: like them, on my own life, I've never just been
Speaker 1: so clear eye that, like there's just no rules to anything. If,
Speaker 1: if you're well off, whether it's like what whatever topic
Speaker 1: you're talking about, you know, and so maybe that's just
Speaker 1: a personal like personal interactions and readings of the news. But, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like I started, I run like a management
Speaker 1: company and a record label, as with my job, and
Speaker 1: you just everyone you meet in the music industry. I
Speaker 1: mean of course it's like full of, you know, grifters
Speaker 1: and sharks and comment but like that's the entirety of it.
Speaker 1: There's nothing, you know, like there's there's just that there
Speaker 1: is no like, you know, leg to stand on to anything,
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know, I do feel like
Speaker 1: that is in the air, that like your average person
Speaker 1: probably recognizes that even more than they used to. So
Speaker 1: maybe that's yes, and that's why, like there's no there's
Speaker 1: no energy for mainstream Democrats and mainstream Republicans. Now it's
Speaker 1: like the status quo. Everyone's just like what the funk,
Speaker 1: like you guys don't stand for anything. What are you
Speaker 1: talking about? Look, I'm at this rally. No, you don't
Speaker 1: fucking get it. You're just you do that to appear
Speaker 1: that way. We're looking for real ship. Oh really, what
Speaker 1: about my achievements that I've very, you know, uh, disingenuously
Speaker 1: pointed out, with Stanford, Harvard Business School? What about, at
Speaker 1: this point, like that ship, really, like having those academic credentials?
Speaker 1: I'm I'm like, man, you you are, you are steeped
Speaker 1: in the ship. You are like absolutely steeped in the ship, right,
Speaker 1: like of like private equity and all that ship. Well,
Speaker 1: but then they'll regroup with their like marketing team or whatever,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and then they'd say, yeah, you wouldn't hit
Speaker 1: a guy with glasses, would you? You wouldn't. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: strike against a boss with glasses with you. That's that's
Speaker 1: pretty much worth. Pretty soon, you wouldn't strike against a
Speaker 1: company that wears glasses, would you? Right, yeah, we will.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back and let's talk about Tiktok. Yeah, speaking
Speaker 1: of hating the fucking status quo, because so a recent
Speaker 1: study from U C l a asked teens what kind
Speaker 1: of stories they wanted to see on TV, and they're
Speaker 1: like TV, Huh, for real? I mean you mean like
Speaker 1: this ship my aunt watches, but I mean it really
Speaker 1: shows right that like it's the results aren't really surprising,
Speaker 1: given how savvy, like younger people are. One of the
Speaker 1: biggest takeaways that they were talking about was that, in
Speaker 1: terms of television content, they do not want to see
Speaker 1: aspirational shows. Less than five percent of the respondents in
Speaker 1: this survey said they were interested in shows about kids
Speaker 1: with like impossible lavish lifestyles, like, you know, like like
Speaker 1: gossip girl entourage ship, where it's like Whoa Fook, Oh
Speaker 1: my God, take me to your world of excess. Not
Speaker 1: really into that anymore. A whopping twenty one want shows
Speaker 1: that deal with real world issues like family dynamics or
Speaker 1: social justice. They don't want sanitized portrayals of the world
Speaker 1: they're experiencing. Essentially, they don't they don't care to see
Speaker 1: these like very, you know, cookie cutter like sort of
Speaker 1: versions of what they see as like a world rot
Speaker 1: with problems that need to actually be like wrangled with.
Speaker 1: Goes on to say, quote, Hollywood has built its young
Speaker 1: adult content on the belief that teens want to see
Speaker 1: glamorous lifestyles and rich and famous characters, but our research
Speaker 1: research suggests the opposite is true. We know from this
Speaker 1: uh and our racing class in teen TV study the
Speaker 1: majority of teams feel isolated and upset when media lack
Speaker 1: accurate identity representations. MHM, like they aren't they look at that,
Speaker 1: should go. This is not real. Who is that? That's
Speaker 1: not a real person. You know, nearly wanted more black
Speaker 1: male heroes and thirty wanted more white male villains. and
Speaker 1: rather than aspirational stories, they want underdog stories about people
Speaker 1: beating the system or overcoming oppression. MHM like. It's like
Speaker 1: truly the status quo of like and everyone lived happily
Speaker 1: ever after in their impossible apartments in the upper west side.
Speaker 1: Like that's not and that's not really moving the needle.
Speaker 1: And I think, I think a lot of like, I
Speaker 1: think young people have felt like this for a while. millennials,
Speaker 1: we didn't really have any options, so we were always
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know what's on the big seven
Speaker 1: channels and we'll kind of take that for what it is.
Speaker 1: But because of social media, it's offering a lot of
Speaker 1: people different options. Like these kids said that they prefer
Speaker 1: social media in terms of like entertainment, because it's where
Speaker 1: the authentic content lives. It's there, there's not the barrier
Speaker 1: and the UH, you know that nobody is demanding that
Speaker 1: every work of social media it like goes gets approved
Speaker 1: by a fifty five year old white guy who's completely
Speaker 1: out of touch with fucking everything. You know, like the
Speaker 1: that makes total sense, and it also like things are
Speaker 1: moving so quickly, and it makes sense that this generation
Speaker 1: would be even more different, for like in terms of
Speaker 1: their tastes and stuff, given that like the information and
Speaker 1: entertainment environment, like ecosystem that they grew up and is
Speaker 1: totally foreign from the one that people five years older
Speaker 1: from them grew up. And Right, like you could go on,
Speaker 1: you could go on TV and watch, you know, something
Speaker 1: on CNN where they're gonna be talking about, like, well,
Speaker 1: what really is on Hunter Biden's laptop, or you can
Speaker 1: go on Tiktok and like watch somebody make a funny
Speaker 1: sketch about like American imperialism in Asia, right and you're like, damn,
Speaker 1: this ship is fucking true and funny and a topic
Speaker 1: that they won't like. It's just that it's just subject
Speaker 1: matter I won't see or all kinds of like any
Speaker 1: other sort of interest you might have. It's sort of
Speaker 1: either you're gonna get this really mainstream, sanitized version on
Speaker 1: television or it's just not there at all, like you're
Speaker 1: not represented on television at all. So of course, you know,
Speaker 1: like as consumers, younger people are like, well, I don't
Speaker 1: I'm not interested in this like sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: monotone version of what you know. Reality is based on
Speaker 1: Hollywood development like needles. Right, yeah, but the I guess,
Speaker 1: the problem, I don't know what. Like people have argued
Speaker 1: that like tiktok is bad because it has like no
Speaker 1: fact checker working on it. I think that's almost definitely true.
Speaker 1: was like the problem with that is like like half
Speaker 1: the time, like you know, there's like the New York
Speaker 1: Times doing something just absolutely terrible, you know. So then,
Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of goes out the window. Even
Speaker 1: it is a huge problem. Kids get there like you know,
Speaker 1: like my like my son is so like well, you know,
Speaker 1: versed in politics. It's great, like couldn't and he's learned
Speaker 1: it all from social media. You know. I mean I think,
Speaker 1: but and he's definitely formulated pretty smart opinions, I at
Speaker 1: least coming from my vantage point, you know, like where
Speaker 1: they're like their nuance. And he's like yeah, obviously I
Speaker 1: don't take it at you know, based value what I'm seeing.
Speaker 1: But but I don't know if it's any better than
Speaker 1: New York Times. I mean, yeah, I was gonna say that,
Speaker 1: like the Tiktok at least is like just like firing
Speaker 1: random wise at the wall of all different New York
Speaker 1: New York Times misinformation is like coordinated and all going
Speaker 1: in the same direction to the to the point that
Speaker 1: you are like, you could easily be mistaken into thinking,
Speaker 1: mistaken to thinking like that is. That's that's just reality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean just on paper they're they're both. There are
Speaker 1: plenty of campaigns on like traditional media or social media
Speaker 1: that are made to create some sentiment that isn't there
Speaker 1: for sure. But I think, yeah, it's like what what
Speaker 1: are you dealing with? That's different by like looking at
Speaker 1: the two. And I think, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: things that they just talked about is just if you are,
Speaker 1: because I think most people are savvy, like I guess
Speaker 1: most people thought, I know, that are like younger and
Speaker 1: looking at Tiktok, seem to be pretty savvy where they
Speaker 1: they don't always just accept everything they see is like
Speaker 1: Gospel Truth. Like that. They are a little bit, you know, suspicious. Well,
Speaker 1: it's it's easier to be savvy with those two. I mean,
Speaker 1: like with the New York Times, for instance, like when
Speaker 1: I read The New York Times, I still don't understand
Speaker 1: where they're coming from, like, you know, like I don't
Speaker 1: like like what is the end goal with those guys? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, when when like obviously do a lot of
Speaker 1: great reporting, but like when there's one of these pieces
Speaker 1: that it's like just absolutely like pushing this like this agenda,
Speaker 1: this New York Times agenda, we're all kind of like, okay,
Speaker 1: I know what this is, like they're doing it again.
Speaker 1: But then you're like who's doing this and like why?
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't even understand who these people are.
Speaker 1: Like like there's an like a group of people who
Speaker 1: really support that other than the New York Times themselves.
Speaker 1: It's like it's yeah, it's interesting. I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this with regards to inflation right because that was like
Speaker 1: a question that keeps occurring to me as they write
Speaker 1: about inflation and the story they're telling is like not convincing,
Speaker 1: not interested, like it doesn't it doesn't really hold together
Speaker 1: and it's like based in this world of like supply
Speaker 1: and demand, where like it's like the zero gravity theoretical
Speaker 1: world of, you know, inflation and you know the rates
Speaker 1: and this, and it's like it. It makes me wonder
Speaker 1: if they're pitching stories that are more grounded in reality
Speaker 1: and people's like day to day experiences and, you know,
Speaker 1: what you actually hear on earnings calls and like see
Speaker 1: companies doing, like if they're pitching those stories and somebody
Speaker 1: at the editorial level is like no, write about how
Speaker 1: it's because people ask for too much money and raises,
Speaker 1: you know, like like or or is it that all
Speaker 1: of these? I think it probably is somewhere between that
Speaker 1: and all these New York Times journalists like went to
Speaker 1: these Ivy League schools that teach you that you are
Speaker 1: like a better person, you are a higher, higher level
Speaker 1: of person because of these like technocratic truths that you
Speaker 1: are steeped in about, like because you took econ from
Speaker 1: like somebody who is like a world scriding fucking captain
Speaker 1: of industry, and so you, like you have very deep
Speaker 1: inside of you this connection between this overarching narrative that
Speaker 1: like it can all be explained with math and, you know,
Speaker 1: moving things around and it is actually a meritocracy like that.
Speaker 1: That kind of eyes into your overall view of yourself.
Speaker 1: And so, like at a cellular level, at a like
Speaker 1: journalist by journalist level, they are also like bought into
Speaker 1: this idea of yeah, and all makes sense, like the
Speaker 1: self confidence that just like this is the way the
Speaker 1: world is and I think can't possibly see beyond that line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll just hearing from like multiple journalists of color on
Speaker 1: twitter all the time saying the same thing. It's like
Speaker 1: they talk about the world through this worldview because the
Speaker 1: only people they were recruit are coming from a similar worldview.
Speaker 1: So it doesn't even occur to question what their beliefs are.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, you're rewarded by the editor
Speaker 1: based on what your takes are. So if your take
Speaker 1: is a more employer friendly view of the economy and
Speaker 1: not a worker oriented view of the economy, an editor
Speaker 1: might reinforce that by being like well, that person gets
Speaker 1: a lot of fucking work, like they get in the
Speaker 1: paper a lot more than I do, because they're talking
Speaker 1: this way and it's like any job where you look at, Oh,
Speaker 1: my boss likes this more than this, and to stay
Speaker 1: stable in my job, there is a certain amount of
Speaker 1: like tailoring I will do of my own personality or
Speaker 1: interests to stay in my job, to get the plot
Speaker 1: it's that I want, or the positive attention I want
Speaker 1: from my boss, Etcetera. And it just kind of and
Speaker 1: it's and IT services itself because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, all of these people benefit from the status
Speaker 1: quo and there's really like so, yeah, of course it's
Speaker 1: bend bend over backward. It's trying to normalize like fascist
Speaker 1: people like in the US, because, like what, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Have a like a real sober analysis
Speaker 1: on like what what like what the world looks like
Speaker 1: through the eyes of someone with less money, because that
Speaker 1: doesn't really happen. When we have people on here who
Speaker 1: like guests on on the show who are like journalists
Speaker 1: or like, you know, they're freelance journalists, they're people who
Speaker 1: work like with mainstream media outlets to, you know, produce
Speaker 1: a podcast or something like. They work in some way
Speaker 1: in the world of nonfiction. A lot of times the
Speaker 1: sentiment like that they seem to give us after we
Speaker 1: like stop on the recording is, wow, so you guys
Speaker 1: can just like tell the truth on here like that?
Speaker 1: That's that's crazy. Like it like that. They there's just
Speaker 1: an unspoken thing at a lot of the places that
Speaker 1: are like major media outlets that you have to sort
Speaker 1: of curb what you say, like in order to get
Speaker 1: it published, like you need you need to be sort
Speaker 1: of dancing on both sides of this thing instead of
Speaker 1: just being like no, this is funny, this is fucked.
Speaker 1: I don't know why we've gotten away with it for
Speaker 1: so long, but that it's crazy to me. Do you know,
Speaker 1: like the and I think that that shows right that
Speaker 1: in certain spaces like you're just conditioned to know that
Speaker 1: in a given industry, certain topics are just like third
Speaker 1: rail issues, and not to say that it's like third
Speaker 1: rail and that like it's, you know, a fatal mistake
Speaker 1: you'll make in your in your career, but it's something
Speaker 1: that if you engage in, has consequences on some level,
Speaker 1: whether that means you're you may not get the kind
Speaker 1: of looks that you'd want to get into like a
Speaker 1: you know, maybe more mainstream publication or even if you're
Speaker 1: not even necessarily dealing with news that within a given
Speaker 1: a field of study or whatever, things are just spoken
Speaker 1: about a certain way and to to run counter to
Speaker 1: that it's like you become a boat rocker, and I
Speaker 1: think we still, like there's still many areas where like
Speaker 1: boat rocking is absolutely like a no, no, you know,
Speaker 1: and there are other places where, only recently it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's maybe, you know, let's not completely throw someone in
Speaker 1: the rubbish pile because they're pointing out systemic racism like that.
Speaker 1: Used to be shipped. You couldn't really say yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean if you look at that like that, that
Speaker 1: well versed enough about this to talk and a recording,
Speaker 1: because I can't remember that much. But like the New
Speaker 1: Yorker Story, where there was there was a New Yorker
Speaker 1: journalist who I believe the woman, I think she's a
Speaker 1: black woman, who kind of called out the New York
Speaker 1: and I think New Yorker is just like an example
Speaker 1: of like Oh man, like I, you know, do trust
Speaker 1: so many people, like they're just like Steve Cole or
Speaker 1: Dexter Filkins, like those are some books of like New
Speaker 1: Yorker Writers and I'm like, oh, those are great, you know,
Speaker 1: but like everybody turned on her, like David Red Nick
Speaker 1: turn like they just sold her out, sold it on.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know more of that
Speaker 1: story than I do. I just remember kind of reading
Speaker 1: it on twitter and this is like the most half
Speaker 1: past recital of it. But like that, you know, in
Speaker 1: the last year, in the last like three months, I think.
Speaker 1: You know, like yeah, she like she sent out like
Speaker 1: a company memo or something and then just got like right,
Speaker 1: just run out, basically, you know, and it's like that's
Speaker 1: like the place where would be like that wouldn't happen,
Speaker 1: because those people are smart and decent and wonderful, you know,
Speaker 1: or something. You know. I mean a lot of people
Speaker 1: would say that. So it's it's just a surprise, you know,
Speaker 1: there wasn't more backing for her. You know. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love The New Yorker. I love telling people when I
Speaker 1: read an article in the New Yorker and talking about
Speaker 1: it and, you know, just practicing reading comprehension. So I
Speaker 1: look smart. But the but they like I've I've had
Speaker 1: my eye on them ever since, ever since they covered
Speaker 1: Havana Syndrome with just like perfect credulity and like basically
Speaker 1: C I a talking points. I've been like Huh, like
Speaker 1: maybe maybe there's more there than me C I, because
Speaker 1: they have great writers, but like that doesn't stop them
Speaker 1: from having government contacts that they trade information for or
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, that does any mainstream journalistic institution
Speaker 1: at this point, I feel like is is probably, you know,
Speaker 1: prone to this sort of thing at least well, and
Speaker 1: I think, I think the biggest like we just have
Speaker 1: this pattern in the world, especially in America, where like
Speaker 1: if there is a adjacent controversy to something that's like
Speaker 1: a truth, it's much easier to pour all your energy
Speaker 1: into the adjacent controversy than to like examine the real
Speaker 1: thing that you need to do so, rather than looking
Speaker 1: having a full reckoning of, you know, the effects of
Speaker 1: white supremacy in every industry. It became about white supremacy
Speaker 1: in policing, and then companies were able to do this
Speaker 1: thing of like yeah, and we're gonna and we're getting
Speaker 1: into it too. Yeah, WE'RE gonna, we're gonna check, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're we're also going to really heavily invest in this
Speaker 1: without sincerely doing it. Many places have not sincerely do
Speaker 1: it because I think that there's just like this pattern
Speaker 1: of like well, if you grapple enough with the adjacent thing,
Speaker 1: you you can avoid having a real reckoning with your
Speaker 1: own ship. But you better go all in on whatever
Speaker 1: the scandal to jure is, because if you don't put
Speaker 1: all your energy and take into that, then you will
Speaker 1: be seen as someone who's not taking a look at
Speaker 1: the truth here, and we see this all the time.
Speaker 1: That happened even with, like the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
Speaker 1: It was much easier for the media to be like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe a country would invade another country. That
Speaker 1: is absolutely are war crimes this guy, this is unbelievable,
Speaker 1: while avoiding our own history as a nation. Doing that.
Speaker 1: Many other controversies that are comparable, but because they are
Speaker 1: not white faces, we'll just ignore it. So again, adjacent
Speaker 1: controversy gave everybody the license to be like yeah, and
Speaker 1: now everybody's feeling good about American foreign policy and ship
Speaker 1: because of Russia. It's and we'll always see a thing.
Speaker 1: It can be any sport or whatever. There's something near
Speaker 1: the truth. Just go all in on that, because then
Speaker 1: you can avoid having to really look at your own ship.
Speaker 1: And then you can continue down this blind path of
Speaker 1: like repeating the same mistakes while you, know, feeling good
Speaker 1: about the little bit of attention you gave something for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. Yeah, well, Pete, truly a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Peter Matthew Bauer, which is what I call you off Mike,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Hey, Peter Matthew Bauer House, I did that family.
Speaker 1: I did that like like when I put out my
Speaker 1: first record. I was like trying to figure out a
Speaker 1: dumb name, you know, a name, and then I didn't
Speaker 1: realize like how that it comes comes off like a
Speaker 1: serial killer, which I'm fine with that, but then, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you see these other people with like the
Speaker 1: three names and you're like what ship? And then that,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to change it, but if you change it,
Speaker 1: you lose like anyone. No one ever find your record,
Speaker 1: so I'm stuck with it, but I'm not proud. Yeah, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: that's cool. I think it works, and it does. It
Speaker 1: does help for search engine optimization and it makes it
Speaker 1: easier to find your album, which everybody should go do
Speaker 1: right now because it's super dope. You did it with Matt,
Speaker 1: the drummer from the Walkman. He would. He's on here
Speaker 1: and it's faking rips man, like we produced it together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's good and I that was I didn't read
Speaker 1: that until after I had listened to it, but I
Speaker 1: suspected that just listening to it, it really reminded me like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, the drums and then like some of
Speaker 1: the the flourishes really really reminded me of like some
Speaker 1: of my favorite songs over the course of the of
Speaker 1: the Walkman's history and really really highly recommend it. Well,
Speaker 1: thank you. Where can people find you? Follow you all
Speaker 1: that good stuff? I met at Peter Matthew Bauer on
Speaker 1: Instagram and, uh, I can't remember my twitter thing, but
Speaker 1: that they're Peter Matthew Bauer, B A U E R
Speaker 1: and I'm playing it. Uh, if you're in L A
Speaker 1: I'm playing at gold diggers tonight, Friday night. So uh, yeah, Nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so come on down, we're gonna have like a big
Speaker 1: party and then my friend lush life is gonna DJ
Speaker 1: UN till late. Yeah, very cool. And is there a
Speaker 1: tweet or some of the work of social media you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Oh, yes, I chose one. I can describe
Speaker 1: it how let's do. The tweet is by something called
Speaker 1: US Scottish bantern says just taking his fire for a
Speaker 1: walk and as a guy pushing a baby stroller down
Speaker 1: the street that's on fire and then they kind of
Speaker 1: pull over and it's just like this drunk Scottish guy
Speaker 1: with a with a baby stroller and fire. That's it.
Speaker 1: Very Scottish. Yeah, that's very Scottish. I like. Yeah, Nice Miles.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What is the tweet you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Uh, you can find me on twitter and
Speaker 1: instagram at miles of gray. If you like basketball, check
Speaker 1: out the latest episode of miles and Jack Got Mad
Speaker 1: boost these or getting closer to the season starting. Finally, uh,
Speaker 1: and also check me out on four twenty day fiance
Speaker 1: if you like trash reality shows. Some tweets I like.
Speaker 1: First one is from at Tyler DENUCCI. It's he texted.
Speaker 1: I have texted quote. Did you know Ron Paul delivered
Speaker 1: Selena to maybe two dozen people today? I haven't known
Speaker 1: peace since I've learned this. Wait, what fucking Ron Paul?
Speaker 1: That exactly like Grandpaul's Dad. Ron Ron Rand Paul's Daddy
Speaker 1: is the one who delivered Selena k okay, like during birth,
Speaker 1: during child she was ushered into this universe by Fucking
Speaker 1: Ron Paul, pulled Selena from the breach onto physical life,
Speaker 1: onto this plane on ape sixteenth, nineteen seventy one at
Speaker 1: Freeport community hospital. Yow. Yeah, so fucking wild. And then
Speaker 1: one more I like is from Layla at Lelola G
Speaker 1: L A Y L O, L L L A Y O,
Speaker 1: L A Y L O l o g y. very
Speaker 1: hard to say that. laylology tweeted. Seeing a boyfriend's handwriting
Speaker 1: for the first time can be one of the most
Speaker 1: jarring experience, experiences of a girl's life, and I honestly
Speaker 1: it feels both. Anytime you see your partner's handwright for
Speaker 1: the first time is definitely like it's like where the
Speaker 1: rubber meets the road, honestly, because you kind of look
Speaker 1: at somebody and like I bet they have this kind
Speaker 1: of vibe handwriting and then you see it and you're like, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're a chicken scratcher. Oh my God man. I had
Speaker 1: that with I've had that with some of the like
Speaker 1: best writers I've ever worked with. Like back get cracked
Speaker 1: and they're they're young, you know, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: name names. But then I see them right in person
Speaker 1: for the first time, like five years after I've seen
Speaker 1: them be like some of the best comedy writers. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, just killing me. I'm like how? How are
Speaker 1: they so smart? How are they? And then I see
Speaker 1: the handwriting and it looks like it only belongs in Cram.
Speaker 1: It only belongs in clearly the handwriting of a five
Speaker 1: year old. Do you guys have like good handwriting? No,
Speaker 1: my handwriting sucks, but it's like not this. I think
Speaker 1: it was like what. They're of the generation that like
Speaker 1: never had to pick up a pen. Basically, I get
Speaker 1: like tired, like I at a breath when I try
Speaker 1: to write. My hand like you'd lose the ability to
Speaker 1: do it if you don't do it. My hand stamina
Speaker 1: is different than like caught like senior year of college,
Speaker 1: when you're like I will write five pages by hand
Speaker 1: right now in this fucking essay or whatever. Now I'm
Speaker 1: like I fill out like a fucking rebate card and
Speaker 1: I'm like get me my wrist guard please. Some tweets
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying. The Moon's wife at Bookish Sea witch
Speaker 1: tweeted the Appalachian Mountains are older than Saturn's rings. The
Speaker 1: Appalachian Mountains are older than dinosaurs. The Appalachian Mountains are
Speaker 1: older than trees. The Appalachian Mountains are literally older than bones.
Speaker 1: The Appalachian Mountains should be regarded with pure terror. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that. I think they should be regarded with pure
Speaker 1: terror for a number of reasons. And then Ali at,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not I'm just gonna say alike,
Speaker 1: off to the tweet, but they said Adam Levine's D
Speaker 1: M s are no match for James Joyce Letters. And
Speaker 1: if you haven't, well we'll link off to this in
Speaker 1: the footnotes. But James Joyce just writing too, I think
Speaker 1: it was his wife, about just the dirtiest ship like
Speaker 1: that you've ever involving like let let me find one sentence,
Speaker 1: one sentence, if I am delighted to see that you
Speaker 1: do like being fucked our sways, Oh my God, James.
Speaker 1: And that was like it gets like much dirtier and
Speaker 1: involves like farting. That happens when he's fucking hurt our sways.
Speaker 1: He's just like does he does he have a term
Speaker 1: for it? Buck Queeps, I think are just fart smiles. Okay,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's does he have a term for it
Speaker 1: or no, no, he just described just like, yeah, just
Speaker 1: having having a yeah, okay, yeah, good for James Joyce.
Speaker 1: You and Nasty Man, I knew. Yeah, it's it's good
Speaker 1: and it really does put all the sexual tweets and
Speaker 1: d M. Somebody was reservicing. Tiger Woods is like D ms,
Speaker 1: with one of the many. They're just unimaginative. You know. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: because right, you have James Joyce and you know, just
Speaker 1: great author. Yeah, then, and there's no such thing as
Speaker 1: porn hub. So yeah, like the words are doing the
Speaker 1: lifting for you, I guess. anyways, check that out on
Speaker 1: the foot notes. You can find me on twitter at
Speaker 1: Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on twitter at
Speaker 1: daily Zeitgeist. We're at the daily Zeigeist on instagram. We
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Speaker 1: dot com, where we post our episodes on our foot note,
Speaker 1: where we link off to the information we talked about
Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 1: think you might enjoy and miles. What songs should we
Speaker 1: ride out on today? You know, Pete Maddie Bauer, you
Speaker 1: heard this track before. Twenty one century station. I said,
Speaker 1: I put you onto something at the end of the
Speaker 1: show by this Guy Peter Matthew. But wait, what's you
Speaker 1: don't wait to hear this song? Oh my God, I'm
Speaker 1: really curious. I love this song because I love anything
Speaker 1: with like intentional distortion or things that are made to
Speaker 1: sound like they were on tape or like playing stuff
Speaker 1: through a guitar amp or whatever. That's why I really
Speaker 1: love like, sonically, what's happening on this track. It made
Speaker 1: me feel like, if you like, found a kid's show
Speaker 1: theme song that was made in like the end of
Speaker 1: like a post apocalyptic and someone came upon the tape
Speaker 1: and this is what it would sound like, where there's
Speaker 1: equal parts happiness but also like remnants of an old
Speaker 1: world in it. That's what I get when I mean
Speaker 1: my my thought the whole time writing is too a
Speaker 1: long time to write that song, because I just like
Speaker 1: would bag it and come back to it. But was
Speaker 1: there was the image I always had was was sort
Speaker 1: of like a like a the end of the world.
Speaker 1: There'sn't really bad happening, like there's a mob in the streets,
Speaker 1: like and a setting fire to things and like there's
Speaker 1: a p a system, like a nightclub Pi System, playing
Speaker 1: the song like if you were like running for the hills,
Speaker 1: basically that this is where the radio would be playing
Speaker 1: on the way out. But it's trying to be happy.
Speaker 1: But I can feel like this. It sounds like a party,
Speaker 1: but it does like a party that might be happening
Speaker 1: while some bad ship is going down. Exactly. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're trying to get out of town. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's the fact. I'm glad it evoked that. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I was feeling when I listened to it,
Speaker 1: and I think that's great about it's like you've both
Speaker 1: sides to the apocalypse. Really well, yeah, there's still some
Speaker 1: good moments in the apocalypse. You know, absolutely it's worth
Speaker 1: being like like in it. You're like, man, this is
Speaker 1: also comforting too. So there it is, Peter Matthew Bauer
Speaker 1: with twenty one century station. All right, well, we're going
Speaker 1: to ride out on that. The daily Zy Guy is
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