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Speaker 1: Is it? Yes? What's going on in your life? Um?
Speaker 1: I almost forgot. It was a groundbreaking week and for me,
Speaker 1: I did have dinner with James's parents. Are you okay?
Speaker 1: You're Oh my god, I know, I'm very proud of myself.
Speaker 1: I'm proud of you too. Yeah, because no one really
Speaker 1: seems to understand that this is that like why it's
Speaker 1: such a big deal for me? But I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: thirty years old. I've never I've refused to meet anyone's
Speaker 1: parents ever, Like, and why is that hidden in places
Speaker 1: in people's homes? Behind things? Absolutely rely iculous? Is it ridiculous?
Speaker 1: I mean everyone, I think a lot of things that
Speaker 1: people write to us are ridiculous that are easy for me, right, Well, that, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is just my Why why is I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to have a thing and this is
Speaker 1: my thing? Because is uh, it's it's like I feel
Speaker 1: like it's like you have to that's like a person
Speaker 1: or people that you have to impress, and I have
Speaker 1: no interest in impressing people, and then it actually makes
Speaker 1: me want to unimpressed them, right, So that's not good.
Speaker 1: And I just know that I get that, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to be in a put it in a
Speaker 1: situation where I have to be disrespectful towards someone's parents
Speaker 1: because no matter, because you're gonna say what you think anyway.
Speaker 1: Like if I don't like them more, if they say
Speaker 1: something rude to me, I'm gonna have to say something back.
Speaker 1: And then that's just it's it's just a messing. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be involved that. That's completely understandable. What
Speaker 1: uh did James give you a heads up? I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what you need to know, just so you
Speaker 1: knew what you were up against. Or well, I mean,
Speaker 1: his parents are are divorced, so this was I was
Speaker 1: meeting the dad. I haven't met his biological mom yet.
Speaker 1: This was his step mom and his dad, but who
Speaker 1: has been a part of his life for a long time.
Speaker 1: I cheated because I had met her before, only because
Speaker 1: she had come, uh to see me perform in Ohio,
Speaker 1: which I guess I kind of knew, but I don't
Speaker 1: know just stepmom did. Wasn't. Step mom is not as
Speaker 1: nerve wracking for me as biological mom, right because the
Speaker 1: mom of a son and my mom is like this,
Speaker 1: it's just a little it's just a little bit different. Um, So,
Speaker 1: how did it go? Well? Number one, I didn't really
Speaker 1: have He just was like, oh, it was his birthday,
Speaker 1: and so he was like, I had a whole birthday
Speaker 1: trip plan for him. And then after that, he was like,
Speaker 1: when are we to be done, because we're gonna have
Speaker 1: dinner with my parents and I was like, um, come again,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, sorry, what by the way, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: dinner with that? But I was like, I'm sorry. I
Speaker 1: must have misheard you because I feel like you just
Speaker 1: told me that we are going to and you didn't
Speaker 1: ask me if that was okay, And he was like,
Speaker 1: get asked, and he was like but also, and so
Speaker 1: it was like that, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is a huge deal. Like I think he forgot
Speaker 1: because it's a weird thing to be weird about, but
Speaker 1: it's not. No, it's a big deal. I met Steven's
Speaker 1: parents way too early. And when he told me we
Speaker 1: were going to his house, I'm like, yeah for me,
Speaker 1: and I don't mind meeting parents at all, but I
Speaker 1: was like, this is too soon, right. I feel like
Speaker 1: historically men are more nervous about meeting parents than women are,
Speaker 1: like men are like you know, on sitcoms, men are
Speaker 1: always the ones who are like trying not to meet
Speaker 1: the parents, getting too serious tonight ship, Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: It's not like about be getting serious for me because
Speaker 1: I don't. I think a lot of other people like
Speaker 1: need blessings from their parents, which is weird, and like
Speaker 1: I'm the same way like James. James was like, well,
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't give a ship if they like
Speaker 1: you or not. And I was like, of course you don't,
Speaker 1: because you're exactly like me. And I don't give a
Speaker 1: ship of my parents. Like I respect my parents and stuff,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, if they don't
Speaker 1: like my boyfriend, tough ship, tough ship and they know that,
Speaker 1: like they that's that's open. And you know, my parents
Speaker 1: they know they know when to say stuff and what
Speaker 1: not too, Like they're not gonna they're not going to
Speaker 1: give an opinion on someone, as my mom said, unless
Speaker 1: she thought I was actually physically or emotionally in danger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your parents have healthy boundaries. Yeah they're fine. And now
Speaker 1: I was like I was, I'm always like, no one
Speaker 1: should ever be nervous to meet My parents. Are gonna
Speaker 1: be super nice to you. Yeah, and it's gonna be easy,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna get you and they're gonna pay for
Speaker 1: your dinner and you don't have a great time. Friendly's
Speaker 1: crispy chicken salad. Man forget, Everything's gonna be great. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so we went to I well, I picked
Speaker 1: out he wanted to go to a Habaschi restaurant. So
Speaker 1: I picked out a Habaschi restaurant. And it was fine
Speaker 1: because I was also a little nervous because like, his
Speaker 1: family is religious, and then so that also makes me nervous.
Speaker 1: Do they know about the podcast? Um? Well, I think
Speaker 1: they think that I'm like famous or something. So which
Speaker 1: in this in this case, are you were in vogue?
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's all that lan In this case,
Speaker 1: it was helpful. It's I think it's it makes one
Speaker 1: helpful because at least, like I'm you know, parents always
Speaker 1: want their kids to be someone with someone who's doing well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean if I started a homeless birdson of my
Speaker 1: mom would be like stop. His dad googled me and
Speaker 1: apparently like yeah and apparently like my jokes. Well, the
Speaker 1: step mom definitely knows and she's cool as ship anyway,
Speaker 1: So I love when religious people are cool. Yeah, Stephen's
Speaker 1: parents are, I don't know how religious they are. They
Speaker 1: go to church and stuff, and I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's because it's so often I meet religious people that
Speaker 1: are like their butt holes tightened up the second like
Speaker 1: abreast is half exposed. I don't. Oh yeah, I know
Speaker 1: they're cool and they like and they actually live the
Speaker 1: life that I would hope religious people do. It's like
Speaker 1: they go to like Liberia and help people. Oh dope. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I was like, oh that's good. Oh they're they're
Speaker 1: like fully, You're like, you're like living the religious like
Speaker 1: you know, you're like living you're doing as Jesus did
Speaker 1: and not as he didn't say a do. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that not made me happy. It was fine, and I
Speaker 1: and I did and I feel like I did a
Speaker 1: good job of like talk, talking and come out of
Speaker 1: my mouth. I figured you'd be good at that, so
Speaker 1: that was good. I'm surprisingly not good at that. A
Speaker 1: lot I think you are. You're just in. You're an introvert,
Speaker 1: so people like when people meet you after shows and stuff,
Speaker 1: you don't I mean, you're pretty talkative, but when you're not,
Speaker 1: it's because you don't want to talk and people are like,
Speaker 1: oh well, I also don't like small talk. So but
Speaker 1: we were able to talk about real stuff. That's nice.
Speaker 1: So I love I love meeting people's parents because it
Speaker 1: just it gives me so much insight to them as
Speaker 1: a like me and your parents gave me so much
Speaker 1: more insight. I feel like I know you better. Well.
Speaker 1: I really like meeting my friend's parents because it helps
Speaker 1: me in the friendship and understanding them. But then sometimes
Speaker 1: with in relationships, it makes me like I feel like
Speaker 1: that's like my only shot. Have you ever dated a guy, Well,
Speaker 1: you've you've never met anybody's parents, then no, I didn't.
Speaker 1: That is a big I didn't and I and I
Speaker 1: really didn't want to meet Frank's mom, not because she
Speaker 1: seemed lovely, but I didn't want to meet her because
Speaker 1: he thought so highly of her. And I knew that
Speaker 1: if she didn't like me, he would like me less
Speaker 1: no matter what he said. I I knew because he
Speaker 1: has that. Well, I've dated some guys and their moms.
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you you're gonna try to fund yourself?
Speaker 1: Are you going to marry him? Like, dude, I know, Well,
Speaker 1: Frank had engaged before and his mom had made this
Speaker 1: comment that heat me the mistake of telling me about
Speaker 1: off and he and he was like yeah, and she
Speaker 1: was like yeah, I knew you weren't happy. I could
Speaker 1: see it in your eyes in the photos you took together,
Speaker 1: and I was like, motherfucker, what the fuck that's so creepy. Ship,
Speaker 1: How can I meet your mom? After that? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like practicing. I like the way my pupils were
Speaker 1: pointing in the mirror, like, come on, get you out
Speaker 1: of town. You were I know, you look very happy
Speaker 1: those pictures I've seen boast of the Oh god, she
Speaker 1: just I don't know. Sometimes I've I've dated a guy
Speaker 1: once and his mom just hated me. I hated, but
Speaker 1: it was she hated anybody that dated her son. Nobody's
Speaker 1: good enough. You get nervous with women like moms and
Speaker 1: sisters because I do wreak of sexuality. So like I
Speaker 1: just thought you are You're very uh yeah you do.
Speaker 1: You just know that I'm DTF. So that's a problem.
Speaker 1: But we know you know that your DTF in the
Speaker 1: like a good way, meaning that you're not like humping
Speaker 1: the couch. You're just back. You have this in tune.
Speaker 1: You can suck me, not call me. Everything's got fun,
Speaker 1: I mean. And the sister sense is that, and that's
Speaker 1: why she wants to go out with you later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can suck me and not call me in. I
Speaker 1: won't kill myself. Yeah, no, it's not a big deal.
Speaker 1: Do we we fucking piece out fucking peace? Now we
Speaker 1: kind of come up with a name for that fucking
Speaker 1: dumb Oh oh well, um, hump them, dump them that
Speaker 1: can fly that I got from? Oh yeah, what is
Speaker 1: that song? The weez song? Whoever saying teenage dirt bag?
Speaker 1: I mean that's a real reference. But it's like Weezus
Speaker 1: or something something like that. It sounds it always sounds
Speaker 1: like weird that weasels. I think it's weirdness. It's something
Speaker 1: that sounds like Weezer but is not. But they're not
Speaker 1: nearly as popular as Weezer. Reminds me of one of
Speaker 1: my favorite words in middle school, and that was weenness.
Speaker 1: Yeah would it sounds like penis, So we would go
Speaker 1: around everybody like, stopped touching my weeness, rub our elbows
Speaker 1: against people and then yell at them for touching our
Speaker 1: I guess that was a joke that got around to
Speaker 1: all the grade schools because that was one. I think
Speaker 1: it's so munny. It's all my best jokes. That and
Speaker 1: like Lake titty Cock when that was talked about in
Speaker 1: That's a lake, Yeah, city Coca. Yeah, I mean there's
Speaker 1: just some school jokes that there's a school. There's a
Speaker 1: road in Virginia called Butts Road, like Butts Roadbuts Road.
Speaker 1: I am the stinky button, and then just laugh at
Speaker 1: ourselves for our brilliant islightful humor. Yeah, I mean missing
Speaker 1: a kid. Words are funny. So yeah, guys, get over us.
Speaker 1: We're in the business of that. What's new with you?
Speaker 1: I have sex earlier and it's been a while. Congratulations,
Speaker 1: I have sex. I feel like multiple times you've said
Speaker 1: it's been a while, though, So how long could the
Speaker 1: while have? Actually we been? Oh god, I don't even know,
Speaker 1: like a week, maybe probably more than that. I was sleeping,
Speaker 1: you know, he was sleeping. A lot of sleeping, was
Speaker 1: going on, a lot of like missed schedules. But he's
Speaker 1: doing this thing. Oh it's so hot. Maybe he's been
Speaker 1: doing it and I haven't really noticed it before. But
Speaker 1: I found myself I was laying down and he was
Speaker 1: on top, and I found myself like peering back a
Speaker 1: little almost like I was looking at a work of art,
Speaker 1: and I was like, does pretty nice? He does this thing?
Speaker 1: Where he like holds my life doing it even though
Speaker 1: you guys can only listen. He holds my legs like
Speaker 1: up and he's like this fucking this fucking like Sparta
Speaker 1: kiss and he has my he's like he's like it's
Speaker 1: like he's exited. It's like he's lifting out of the
Speaker 1: sea with a trident in hand. And I'm like, good god,
Speaker 1: that is one for the s Bank bank, my friend.
Speaker 1: I know, people are always lifting my legs and I
Speaker 1: was just like, is my pussy too loose? Because that's
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's what it's doing. It's tightening your
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. Yeah, when you look, it's tighter. What
Speaker 1: I mean, see how we don't know ship it's a
Speaker 1: it's a that's a classic mad move. I mean, I liked.
Speaker 1: My favorite thing to do is when the man's on top,
Speaker 1: I like to wrap my legs around his neck. Yes,
Speaker 1: I have, and that's when I queaf and I queefed,
Speaker 1: Oh really, it's just that's comfortable for me, and oh
Speaker 1: I queaf. I didn't laugh. You'd be proud of me.
Speaker 1: Did Stephen laugh? No one? Did you acknowledge it? In
Speaker 1: my head to myself? Was it very loud or was
Speaker 1: it like it was multiple times and on the Quef scale.
Speaker 1: On the Quef scale, I would say it was more
Speaker 1: of a like okay, I feel like happy. I mean
Speaker 1: it's audible though, all so because you're not doing a
Speaker 1: lot of talking during the sex or no, I am
Speaker 1: doing a lot of talking. But I'm just like, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to address that because then I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: and that in the mid Oh, this is the other thing.
Speaker 1: So many things happened a couple of hours ago behind
Speaker 1: that wall, queefing the trident thing was really great. He
Speaker 1: took his dick all the way out and then went
Speaker 1: to put it back in and like punched me. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh it hurt. It hurt, oh man, and part of it,
Speaker 1: you know, like sometimes I don't know if you do this,
Speaker 1: but I'll drop something and I'll say out but I
Speaker 1: didn't get hurt. Well, I when I dropped something, I
Speaker 1: covered my ears. I don't know, I've always done it,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why. Maybe you were killed in
Speaker 1: Japan ages ago and that was you. I think it's
Speaker 1: much something when I was a kid, like it's like
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I don't want to hear the crash of
Speaker 1: whatever I dropped breaking, but no matter what, it is
Speaker 1: such a metaphor. I can't stop it. I don't know
Speaker 1: how to stop it. Oh, I've never noticed you did that.
Speaker 1: I'll look out next time. Um. I it didn't hurt
Speaker 1: as much as I vocalized it hurt, but I was like,
Speaker 1: what's It's not good? And we had to stop and
Speaker 1: Stephen felt really bad. Um he punched me, didn't hurt
Speaker 1: his penis thought that seems like it also did Penis.
Speaker 1: I asked, and I was like are you Are you okay?
Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm okay, it's fine. And then we
Speaker 1: just kept going because man, that position was good on him.
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Speaker 1: the woman who stared at the stayed at the airbnb.
Speaker 1: You tweeted, the emailed a lot of you offered help,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I stalked her because I emailed
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Speaker 1: her on face, Well I don't you love me? But
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Speaker 1: Earlier in August, a woman named Handache could dare and
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Speaker 1: video to try and pronounce it correctly. Uh. She was
Speaker 1: murdered in Turkey and assemble. She's a twenty three year
Speaker 1: old transgender woman who was a well known LGBT activist.
Speaker 1: And this is an interesting story because her body was
Speaker 1: found earlier this month, um, and it was not in
Speaker 1: a good condition. She was raped and tortured by a
Speaker 1: gang of individuals and then her body was like found
Speaker 1: in a forest and assemble burned. Um. And that is
Speaker 1: horrible and it's it also said to me that we
Speaker 1: found out about this so much later in America, like
Speaker 1: it took a couple of like a week a week
Speaker 1: for this news to get here. The reason being, uh
Speaker 1: is because kudos to the young, especially the young people
Speaker 1: of Turkey. This is the first thing that actually got
Speaker 1: people like really really piste off about LGBT rights, and
Speaker 1: so people have been like kind of rioting, and that's
Speaker 1: great and that's how change is going to happen. Uh.
Speaker 1: Interestingly left, she was also a sex worker, and so
Speaker 1: as we talk about a lot of times as a
Speaker 1: sex worker, you're putting yourself in dangerous situations. Is a
Speaker 1: super dangerous occupation. But because of the way trans people
Speaker 1: are treated in Turkey, a lot of times sex work
Speaker 1: is their only option. Um. This article is really interesting,
Speaker 1: Like it says they won't give a trans person a
Speaker 1: job in Turkey, they won't even rent a home to
Speaker 1: a trans person in in Turkey. So you know, she
Speaker 1: was looking to get gender reassignment surgery, needed money to live.
Speaker 1: Sex work was the only thing, um, that she saw
Speaker 1: as a feasible way to make that money. Um. And
Speaker 1: you know she got in a day in your situation
Speaker 1: and was also a known activist and that's frowned upon.
Speaker 1: So she at twenty three was murdered. And there's some
Speaker 1: interesting statistics that I was reading about Turkey has a
Speaker 1: higher rate of transsexual murders than anywhere in Europe. And
Speaker 1: I think hate crimes and things like honor killings are
Speaker 1: still very prevalent there. So it's just important to you know,
Speaker 1: I think know that progress in a way is being
Speaker 1: made everywhere, but that we need to be really alert,
Speaker 1: like to these problems in other countries because you know,
Speaker 1: as usual, we have a pretty fucking good here. Uh,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's nice to live in a place
Speaker 1: where you can be who you want to be. But
Speaker 1: I mean, trans murders is still a problem in America.
Speaker 1: It's the new thing. It's the new thing that people
Speaker 1: don't understand. Um. So I think understanding and getting out
Speaker 1: and caring about issues, things like LGBT rights, things like
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter, these are all important things because I
Speaker 1: think it's really especially up to young people to make
Speaker 1: that social change and to say, I don't care how
Speaker 1: you've been doing things for all this time, this is
Speaker 1: not the way things can go anymore. We need to change,
Speaker 1: and we're not going to shut the funk up until
Speaker 1: change is made, and I mean peacefully please. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So I just wanted to kind of talk about that
Speaker 1: because I think it's important and just people are why.
Speaker 1: I don't get why people are afraid of things they
Speaker 1: don't understand or if it threatens their own sexuality in
Speaker 1: some way, which it doesn't, but they take it as that,
Speaker 1: like if a man is attracted to a trans woman
Speaker 1: in his head, amy, shut the funk who gives a ship?
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe who knows, who cares? It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter because it makes them feel scared about themselves and
Speaker 1: and they're afraid that it might unlock something about themselves
Speaker 1: that they don't want to go. And that's so it
Speaker 1: enrages me to no end. I mean, I'm so fucking
Speaker 1: tired of arguing with dumb white people about the Black
Speaker 1: Lives Matter movement, Like you're fucking idiot if you don't
Speaker 1: get it there, do some research, go on the websites,
Speaker 1: go to sign up for the email address. They send
Speaker 1: out newsletters like read this ship. Well, if I have
Speaker 1: to fucking like read one more common of like Lives Matter,
Speaker 1: the cops getting no, they fucking didn't. Well, white people
Speaker 1: not out of the park this week because they had
Speaker 1: that Oh my god, they had the White Lives Matter
Speaker 1: Texas probattist white people. Listen to me, your lives were
Speaker 1: always treated from day one like they fucking mattered. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we don't need a White Lives Matter slogan hashtag
Speaker 1: that you're disgusting if you're using that, and please stop,
Speaker 1: please stop. You're better than that. I know you are,
Speaker 1: deep down. Yeah. So the thinking of the point is
Speaker 1: it's just just because you are not trans or you
Speaker 1: are not black, that doesn't these are so human beings
Speaker 1: and they just serve the same rights. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's it sounds almost hacked to say that people does
Speaker 1: of the same rights because it's like, oh, we learned
Speaker 1: about this, you know, like when in the Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King junior speech that everyone read when they were like
Speaker 1: in the fourth grade, but we still have to keep
Speaker 1: repeating it because for some reason it just hasn't gotten
Speaker 1: through to a lot of people. So just remember that.
Speaker 1: And I think it's really important to care about people
Speaker 1: who don't have the same actual abutes as you, because
Speaker 1: no matter if we're mad at each other, we all
Speaker 1: need each other's help. Like when when white people need help,
Speaker 1: black people need to help them. When black people need help,
Speaker 1: white people need to help them. No matter what kind
Speaker 1: of orientation you have, we need to help each other.
Speaker 1: Straight people help out trans people. Can't you women helping
Speaker 1: out yourselves? Because then no one listens. When everyone gets
Speaker 1: together and and says, hey, clink clink clink on the glass,
Speaker 1: this is an issue that needs attention, then that's when
Speaker 1: we really see progress. When we come together, we can
Speaker 1: speak intelligently about things and you and then look all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, that country is better. Yeah, and education
Speaker 1: is so key. I think education is the most wonderful
Speaker 1: tool with which to fight hate. And we are we're
Speaker 1: all pieces of ship, as we say almost every episode,
Speaker 1: and everyone's going through something and you don't know what
Speaker 1: that other person is going through, whether that has to
Speaker 1: deal with their sexuality or their race, or their gender
Speaker 1: or anything. So it's like we're all human beings and
Speaker 1: we all have more similar things than different things. And
Speaker 1: I wish people would just remember that more. Right, You
Speaker 1: certainly don't have to pander someone or like someone because
Speaker 1: they are trans or because they are black, But you
Speaker 1: cannot not like them solely based on that. You see
Speaker 1: how that works. Are there minorities who are pieces of ship?
Speaker 1: Are there women or pieces of ship? But yeah? But
Speaker 1: are they pieces of ship because they are a minority?
Speaker 1: Because they are because they're trans, No, so find another
Speaker 1: reason to dislike them? Yeah, like the personality. Yeah, God
Speaker 1: find a legit reason. Jesus horrible haircut. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The subject of this email is fat boy confidence in
Speaker 1: a hotty body. Hello. I'll try to make this short
Speaker 1: and concise. I need help. I'm thirty four years old.
Speaker 1: When I was a teenager, I had severe social anxiety.
Speaker 1: I had no friends at all in school. As I
Speaker 1: got older, I was severely depressed and struggled to function
Speaker 1: on a daily basis. Not long after, I gained a
Speaker 1: ton of weight two plus pounds and just generally felt
Speaker 1: like a shitty person. Needless to say, I wasn't exactly
Speaker 1: popular with the ladies. I went from one long term
Speaker 1: shitty relationship to another. In my mid twenties, things kind
Speaker 1: of clicked, and I went to school, got a degree,
Speaker 1: got in shape, and genuinely got my ship together. Met
Speaker 1: a girl, had a daughter, broke up with the girl,
Speaker 1: then had to take girl to court for joint custody.
Speaker 1: My daughter pretty much is the love of my life
Speaker 1: and has taught me so many things, including what it
Speaker 1: feels like to actually bond with another human, something that
Speaker 1: apparently I was lacking in my troubled childhood. So I've
Speaker 1: been working out and I'm now in shape. I started
Speaker 1: hitting the weights hard earlier this year, and I'm definitely
Speaker 1: noticing the difference and how women behave around me. In
Speaker 1: the past month, I've been holid at from three girls,
Speaker 1: from or from girls in in cars three times, been
Speaker 1: followed by girls, and have had even had girls try
Speaker 1: to pretend like they are using their phone but take
Speaker 1: pictures of me. Jesus Christ, why didn't you send us
Speaker 1: a pick? Ladies turn ladies, turn the volume down first, amateurs.
Speaker 1: I'm single and have absolutely no game. I know girls
Speaker 1: are interested in me, honestly. I know I'm a good catch,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how to portray that externally. If
Speaker 1: I'm on a date, I know I'm really fun charming
Speaker 1: and know how to amp up the sexual chemistry. The
Speaker 1: initial contact just completely baffles me. It makes it even
Speaker 1: harder because when I do talk to girls, I feel
Speaker 1: like they are either so nervous that they don't say
Speaker 1: anything even though even though they turn bright red and
Speaker 1: that makes me even more nervous, or they expect me
Speaker 1: to be a lot more smooth for my age. I
Speaker 1: got really high before I wrote this. I hope this
Speaker 1: all makes sense. What is the best way to approach
Speaker 1: a woman that I'm a actitude? And how do I
Speaker 1: get them to relax around me? Well, aren't you a
Speaker 1: goddamn johnny heartbreaker? I know. I love this email because
Speaker 1: I was like, how good looking are you? You must
Speaker 1: be really fucking hom send us a pick? How shame
Speaker 1: on you for not um. I like guys with no game.
Speaker 1: I like guy. I don't like guys who come up
Speaker 1: to me in a bar and like, try to be suave.
Speaker 1: This fucking you're obviously you're very attractive, and girls come
Speaker 1: up to you. Just talk to them, like, be funny.
Speaker 1: Humor is always key. Yeah, you seem like you could
Speaker 1: be pretty. This email is funny, Like I feel like
Speaker 1: you have a sense of humor. Yeah, you made us laugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was really funny. Yeah, And uh, how do
Speaker 1: I get them to act naturally and calm down? Don't
Speaker 1: tell them to calm down because then they'll fucking freak out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it just takes give it, give
Speaker 1: it a second. I'm sure you've spoken to people who
Speaker 1: have that. There are some people who just have that
Speaker 1: amazing way of speaking to you that makes you feel
Speaker 1: like they're the only person in the room. Yeah, that's charm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: eye contact seem like you give a ship, ask questions
Speaker 1: that care, talk about them, not yourself. I mean in
Speaker 1: a couple of seconds. I mean, unless you're Brad Pitt,
Speaker 1: they're going to calm down. They'll calm down. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I I've been in the presence of some gentlemen that
Speaker 1: I can't that are so attractive that I can't focus.
Speaker 1: Like it's really it's not a lot. But there's some
Speaker 1: of them out there for sure. But then if you
Speaker 1: just I think asking them about themselves is a great
Speaker 1: in and it's you know, when someone asked me about me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you like want and now that's crazy
Speaker 1: And then I go on and then there we go.
Speaker 1: We're already having a good time. Yeah. And you need
Speaker 1: and I think you're definitely gonna need to sift through
Speaker 1: there are going to be people who can't get past
Speaker 1: the fact that you're good looking, or who are only
Speaker 1: going to care about that and not really give a ship.
Speaker 1: Like women who don't care about your personality do exist.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a rarer breed than with men, but
Speaker 1: they definitely exist. Uh. And you'll you'll find someone who
Speaker 1: and then and then that girl probably probably gonna look
Speaker 1: out because she I'm I'm guessing she's probably not going
Speaker 1: to be as good looking as you. And then she's
Speaker 1: gonna look out only because someone like that is going
Speaker 1: to care more about personality totally. But you're gonna look
Speaker 1: out because then you're gonna have a really cool girlfriends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're like you seem obviously you're really hot. You
Speaker 1: love your daughter that is so sexy. God, just I'll
Speaker 1: talk about she'll calm down about how good like your
Speaker 1: look start when she knows you have a kid. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would definitely get a guy with a kid. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I mean people will. It'd be fine, You'll be great,
Speaker 1: but just don't don't get like, don't mind funk yourself
Speaker 1: before it happens. Women can always say that. I think
Speaker 1: guys can tell too, I guess. But when a guy
Speaker 1: is nervous to talk to you, it's I know right away,
Speaker 1: it's cute. Yeah, it's like, I'm not the piece of ship, dude.
Speaker 1: It's funny. It's funny. It's nice, all right? You know
Speaker 1: who else is nice? Who else is nice? Our guest?
Speaker 1: Do we have anything else? To say no, no, we're good. Um,
Speaker 1: this week's episode is I want to interview this person
Speaker 1: for a long time and Grin you had told me
Speaker 1: that he listens to the podcast and I was like, sure,
Speaker 1: the fun guess we get into that man. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: I'm wonderful. He's uh made several films, he's done several
Speaker 1: live shows that I know, both Christy and I have.
Speaker 1: One of the first things we did together a long
Speaker 1: time ago was we saw him my girlfriend's boyfriend run
Speaker 1: Yeah that show at upright six Bad and Nathan Lane
Speaker 1: was in the audience because when they were like friends,
Speaker 1: apparently he's so cool. Yeah, it was really cool. And
Speaker 1: we were in the front row because we used to
Speaker 1: be very nerdy and sit in the front row for
Speaker 1: everything because what if he spits are and then little
Speaker 1: super well yeah, sorry give it away, but we know
Speaker 1: from the title anyway, So excited, ladies and gentlemen, please
Speaker 1: give a warm welcome to Mike bur big Leyah way
Speaker 1: down to walk bather sent y'all talking. It's a genius.
Speaker 1: I'll give a funk. I am alost a paraplegic ship
Speaker 1: you feel me? I feeling Yeah, I got no feeling.
Speaker 1: In my legs will tears the Papa wheel. Y'all, are
Speaker 1: you really seventeen? And nutu funders with their hands, I'll
Speaker 1: talk about a million young, But I don't take no
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Speaker 1: Got got into your my saucechair that's white. Everybody act
Speaker 1: like giving to the exact, like everybody's gonna be like
Speaker 1: everybody know what's gonna be individual and nest, like getting
Speaker 1: a flashlight to bass light, a black eye to half
Speaker 1: sight a bad guy to half nice, a traffic light
Speaker 1: to trash pikes and appetite the stack light and after
Speaker 1: like the flat fine a rat by the baptizes whoa
Speaker 1: and raging on the inn And that just means you
Speaker 1: gotta fake ego filled with the security he's killing you.
Speaker 1: When that's why I've implying on the lowe. But I
Speaker 1: don't really want to keep it on the low normal.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna need all the y'all hands in the
Speaker 1: hand and got dancing that I decided't want to go
Speaker 1: on to all say ah, don't give an I don't
Speaker 1: give a funk like I've everlized from the waist down
Speaker 1: waiste down, waist down, waiste down. An, I don't give
Speaker 1: a fuck like I've never love. So you're sitting on
Speaker 1: my green Drift store chair. It's such an honor to
Speaker 1: have you here. Life is so strange, you never thought
Speaker 1: you could possibly be here. Well, yesterday I was on
Speaker 1: Charlie Rose Today among guys we find and life, Life
Speaker 1: is just so strange. But you guys know, I'm a
Speaker 1: fan of the show. I listened to a lot of
Speaker 1: episodes when Chris, Catherine and I were on tour because
Speaker 1: I introduced the podcast. I was like, hey, listen to this.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard this before? I'm pretty sure that's
Speaker 1: how it goes. Oh it is, because I know I
Speaker 1: got a Facebook message about it, but I'm glad you're
Speaker 1: telling the story instead. Yeah, and then uh, and then
Speaker 1: he was like, I can't stop listening to that. Guys,
Speaker 1: We fun, the kids fun. It's a great podcast, And
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons it's so good is that,
Speaker 1: in addition to being entertaining onto itself, it's a great
Speaker 1: conversation starter for uncomfortable topics that you're right. A lot
Speaker 1: of people have emailed us before saying I got I
Speaker 1: got late or I picked up somebody guy or girl
Speaker 1: because I talked about your podcast. That was just like
Speaker 1: an easy and to figure I'd like to talk about something.
Speaker 1: It's just an uncomfortable topic which will which we'll discover
Speaker 1: today when asking me about anything to do with sex esau,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm neither an expert nor a skilled professional.
Speaker 1: And uh but but I have had sex. I am
Speaker 1: married and have a child and uh yeah, so I
Speaker 1: you know, I can participate in the conversation, but uh
Speaker 1: but I will leave the real, the high level stuff
Speaker 1: to you. Guys. I don't know much how how much
Speaker 1: high level we can go. Know, you just did a
Speaker 1: free ad for the show at the top of the
Speaker 1: appreciate it. I can't even believe it because when we
Speaker 1: had a message Chris Gathered asking him to be on
Speaker 1: the podcast. He's a wonderful, huge fan. Then when he
Speaker 1: wrote me back saying that he was a fan of
Speaker 1: the show, I sheat sex in me and I was like,
Speaker 1: shut the we were losing our ship. And then I go,
Speaker 1: but wait, there's more. I guess how crypts Gathered found
Speaker 1: out about the podcast. And then I said, Mike, we're
Speaker 1: big lea and then we both fell off our chairs.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. I think that hooked me in was
Speaker 1: the title. Indeed, I can imagine your face upon scrolling through,
Speaker 1: and what's that like? Like that's at least worth listening to.
Speaker 1: Once braced on the title alone, and then you listen to,
Speaker 1: you're like, it's funny, it's unique. It's like it's like bold.
Speaker 1: I think it's a really bold podcast. Like your guys
Speaker 1: are willing to just talk about anything, and even if
Speaker 1: you if it's not your field of expertise, you're just like,
Speaker 1: this is what we're talking about. It if I were you,
Speaker 1: this is what I would do, you know what. And
Speaker 1: that's just being a young white woman just talking about
Speaker 1: stuff that you don't know about and having people be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a great idea. This was a fun This was
Speaker 1: a fun circle jerk to start. Yeah, God, we're all
Speaker 1: great and we all love each other. Were so talented guys.
Speaker 1: It's a good apartment for it. Thank you, Ruby Red's
Speaker 1: thanks Yeah, match the Slaer poster um. So what what
Speaker 1: what were you like as a teenager? I imagine what
Speaker 1: was that like? Yeah, I was just a nerdy kid.
Speaker 1: I mean I was I was, you know, a good student.
Speaker 1: I al would say, like I was a good student
Speaker 1: because girls didn't like me. You got a lot of
Speaker 1: time on your get a lot of time in your hands,
Speaker 1: and you're like maybe you know, yeah, and did you
Speaker 1: get a sex talk from your parents like me? So
Speaker 1: I had a Catholic upbringing. Catholic upbringing is I think
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases no sex talk and and
Speaker 1: just if not a fear of sex, but uncomfortable nous
Speaker 1: with sex unless you're unless you're being assaulted by a priest,
Speaker 1: in which case you dive right in so comfortable, way
Speaker 1: too comfortable. But I didn't have that happen to me, though,
Speaker 1: I I you know, my joke is I was an
Speaker 1: altar boy as a kid, and the answers, no, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I think it's because they knew I was a talker,
Speaker 1: which is it's a joke, but it's kind of not
Speaker 1: like I mean, when when I saw I know, when
Speaker 1: I saw a spotlight, it's literally the most I've ever
Speaker 1: cried in the movie. I had to stop because you knew, yeah,
Speaker 1: like a survivor, Like I was like, I know all
Speaker 1: those priests and type of priests and uh boo, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was spooked as a kid by some priests. But pooh,
Speaker 1: well I didn't look quite well. There'd be like things
Speaker 1: where it would be like father, you know, Patrick wants
Speaker 1: to take a bunch of Alder boys on a camping
Speaker 1: trip this weekend. And you know, my mom was actually
Speaker 1: very savvy and was just like, no doing that. And
Speaker 1: she's my mother's very Catholic, still goes to Catholic Mass
Speaker 1: every week, and and uh, fortunately for me, she was
Speaker 1: just also very street smart, so she kind of had
Speaker 1: it in her mind that something inappropriate it might happen
Speaker 1: on this camping Sure, she just didn't like, Yeah, she
Speaker 1: didn't like the sound of it, like a grown man
Speaker 1: taking kids. Let's boy Scouts. But usually there's something there's
Speaker 1: Usually there's more than one adult on there. Though. It's
Speaker 1: not just when one loan adult wants to take a
Speaker 1: bunch of kids like for a fun thing. No, you
Speaker 1: don't know that. That's the other thing goes on. It
Speaker 1: is what boy Scouts is for, to go camping. Church.
Speaker 1: It's like, are you just supposed to like praying it
Speaker 1: together every Sunday, you don't go camping. You don't bring
Speaker 1: that in right about religion. But that's not. It's almost
Speaker 1: like what your childhood understanding of adulthood is. Like my
Speaker 1: joke about my aspirations as a kid was I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a comedian, a rapper, or the owner of
Speaker 1: a pizza restaurant where third graders could hang out. That
Speaker 1: was when I was in third grade. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's the great business model, is like, I'll have this pizzeria.
Speaker 1: It'll just be for third graders kids. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like I'm thirty, I'll be thirty five
Speaker 1: or so fo. I'm not even I'm not even kidding,
Speaker 1: Like it's straight up what I thought I was going
Speaker 1: to be when I grew up, because I was like,
Speaker 1: how come there's no more adults hanging out with kids?
Speaker 1: I love adults are hanging out with kids. When you're
Speaker 1: in third grade, you remember like when because I remember
Speaker 1: there was this one priest. I won't say his last
Speaker 1: name or I don't know this guy. Father does just
Speaker 1: say Brian. It wasn't Brian, father Brian? Say well he
Speaker 1: Father Brian was like everyone's friend. He's like all of us,
Speaker 1: like all of us alter boys and whatever. We're like
Speaker 1: father Brian, father Brian. He's so cool. He hangs out
Speaker 1: with us, he gets us, and then like, one day
Speaker 1: we go to school because I went to Catholic school.
Speaker 1: I went to St. Mary's School and she was very mass.
Speaker 1: One day you go to school, father Brian is not
Speaker 1: here anymore. He is gone, and no word of it,
Speaker 1: no discussion why where He is never to be seen again.
Speaker 1: What did you think? We had no idea? You could
Speaker 1: not if someone told me. And I don't know what
Speaker 1: the real story is. I still don't know if someone
Speaker 1: told me he was messing with a kid, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: I go, what do you mean, Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: my child game right. I don't think I could comprehend it.
Speaker 1: I think that's why Spotlight hit me so hard. Spotlight
Speaker 1: I literally had to turn it off in the middle
Speaker 1: of it, in the part where it's not a spoiler,
Speaker 1: because it's like when he goes to the guy's door
Speaker 1: and he didn't know that she's the diner scene where
Speaker 1: the woman, one of the female leads, interviews the guy
Speaker 1: and he says, I was raped by its grace and
Speaker 1: he describes it like and it's very human and it's
Speaker 1: very it's it. I just started crying. I had to
Speaker 1: turn off the movie for about fifteen minutes because I
Speaker 1: was crying hysterically. I wasn't crying like, oh, I'm choked up,
Speaker 1: like I hope people get it. My movie don't think
Speaker 1: twice available now in all theaters and we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that ship. But it wasn't like I was choked up.
Speaker 1: I was. I was sobbing. I was like, I'm a
Speaker 1: survivor of this, of this epidemic. Did you know anybody
Speaker 1: that got I've asked it. I've asked, I've asked my friends.
Speaker 1: Nobody has ever said, but yeah, because that's one of
Speaker 1: the things when when a man gets sexually assaulted a
Speaker 1: little boy and then they grow up, that masculinity I
Speaker 1: feel like it's part partly is responsible for preventing them
Speaker 1: from saying anything that's right. I think if you ever
Speaker 1: seen this documentary The Mask, Well, there's there's that. There's
Speaker 1: there's one called The Invisible War. I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1: One's about rape in the mill at u s military
Speaker 1: sweet and it's so sad. It's so devastating. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's so I maybe it'll break you in half
Speaker 1: for like a month, like it it's hard, it's really
Speaker 1: well made and it's important and it I think affected legislation, um,
Speaker 1: which is great. I think they now show it in
Speaker 1: the military, which is right. So there is a lot
Speaker 1: of I mean, there is progress being made, but um,
Speaker 1: it's um. Yeah. To your point about masculinity, they don't
Speaker 1: interview a lot of men who are raped. The interview
Speaker 1: a lot of women who are I think the men
Speaker 1: just cannot get on camera. And then they say the
Speaker 1: statistics of men, and it's a lot it's well, we yeah,
Speaker 1: we say a lot. Like we get an email like
Speaker 1: almost once a day from a person who was raped,
Speaker 1: and a lot of them are dudes, a lot more
Speaker 1: guys than I that I imagine. One of them is
Speaker 1: from Boston who was raped by a priest and he
Speaker 1: went into detail and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's just so many. And then there's have
Speaker 1: you ever watched The Hunting Ground about college campuses? Not
Speaker 1: bring myself to watch it because I can't handle it.
Speaker 1: It's rough, man, But you could. I mean I feel
Speaker 1: like someone like you, like you are sensitive and you
Speaker 1: get it, and you're not gonna someone if someone says
Speaker 1: they were raped, you're not gonna you were You you
Speaker 1: would never have that attitude. I don't think and that,
Speaker 1: but people who do, I think they need to watch
Speaker 1: it because oh god, it is infuriating. Well then a
Speaker 1: lot of times also at the militime, imagine it's a
Speaker 1: lot of man on man rape, So it's rape and
Speaker 1: then homosexuality on top of it, which makes everyone uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: Like if you are part of a homosexual experience and
Speaker 1: you do not identify as homosexual. Yeah, I think. I
Speaker 1: think one of the things too about rape in our
Speaker 1: society that's sort of a suppressed side of it that
Speaker 1: is starting to be unearthed recently, is like I dated
Speaker 1: someone in my twenties who explained to me that she
Speaker 1: was raped and and I would say the kid's name.
Speaker 1: And then later in my life, like years later, he
Speaker 1: ended up in my social circles, that guy, and so
Speaker 1: I was like, what do I do? I started, I
Speaker 1: told the people in the social circles because I was like,
Speaker 1: be careful if you see that person and with a woman,
Speaker 1: I know that that could happen, and that and that
Speaker 1: be cautious on behalf of all the women around that guy.
Speaker 1: That guy. You know what, I'm the one who got
Speaker 1: treated like a crazy person. Are you freaking serious? I
Speaker 1: am serious. It's no, it's I've I've heard things about,
Speaker 1: you know, people, especially being a comedian, you know a
Speaker 1: lot of interesting outside people. And then you hear something
Speaker 1: from someone about one of your friends and you're like, fuck,
Speaker 1: this is my friend. Do I treat my friend differently?
Speaker 1: Now I didn't see my friend do this, but I
Speaker 1: believe that that the other person is not telling me
Speaker 1: a lie, Like what do you do? How do you
Speaker 1: handle that? Damn? And you got what did they say
Speaker 1: to you? Just kind of like okay, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I actually one of those the perposse I'm referencing is
Speaker 1: a friend of a friend, and I've said to the
Speaker 1: my friend of it all, like just be careful, lookout,
Speaker 1: be be be an advocate for these women who you
Speaker 1: do not know, and he he's like he's changed, you
Speaker 1: know that kind of thing. It's like, no, I don't
Speaker 1: believe it. I just he could have, but he also
Speaker 1: might not have, So why don't we You're on the
Speaker 1: safe side of that one. There's nothing wrong with just
Speaker 1: keeping an eye out, and you're just saying like, hey,
Speaker 1: head's up. And that person was disciplined in that it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, college, they were kicked out of college, etcetera.
Speaker 1: So so it was like dealt with and it's not
Speaker 1: incumbent on me to go to the cops or whatever
Speaker 1: that person. That person dealt with it that a woman
Speaker 1: came forward. But still it's like, we're a community of people.
Speaker 1: If our communities cross paths, we have the responsibility to say, like,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying this to be disparaging of that person.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, be careful on behalf of the other people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like the least you could do. Miss, And it's
Speaker 1: not even you're not berating the other person, you're just Yeah.
Speaker 1: That conversation has been around in the comedy community recently
Speaker 1: and it seems like unless so you dated somebody who
Speaker 1: was raped and you probably saw the pain and arrive
Speaker 1: if he's telling you that I have a friends that
Speaker 1: were raped, and it's like you feel so helpless, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's great that you went to the police
Speaker 1: or somebody went to the police, school, the college, the college,
Speaker 1: but the hunted ground, you will learn that the colleges
Speaker 1: don't go to the police, and they should. They want
Speaker 1: their safety numbers to be good anytime it starts affecting finances,
Speaker 1: which is the bottom line. You're not going to hear
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, but a lot of guys recently that
Speaker 1: I know that are comedians specifically, but they just don't
Speaker 1: understand why a woman wouldn't go to the cops if
Speaker 1: you right after she was raped. Yeah, there's a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of discussion of that today, yeah,
Speaker 1: yesterday or not. Now. I just I just think it's like, well,
Speaker 1: obviously you don't You've never known anybody who went through that,
Speaker 1: and that's why you can't understand it. It's okay that
Speaker 1: you can't understand it. You don't have to understand everything,
Speaker 1: but just try just believe believe people when they say
Speaker 1: that it was a painful experience, and like, don't demean it,
Speaker 1: but you're you're respectful of that. And part of the
Speaker 1: reason of that, I'm sure is because you had some
Speaker 1: a relationship with somebody who went through it. It made
Speaker 1: me cry, never mind what she dealt with. Was your
Speaker 1: sex life affected by that? I think so? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think in some way I would think, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: different for every person. Yeah, but um, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think listening is the most important thing that people
Speaker 1: are forgetting right now culturally because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: kind of internet noise and shouting, so it feels like
Speaker 1: everyone's yelling and it makes me dizzy. It's so maddening.
Speaker 1: And it's with race too, you know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like black lives matter, no every line it's like, no,
Speaker 1: shut up, just listen that people are just saying that
Speaker 1: they feel like no one notices when their friends are killed.
Speaker 1: Just let them talk if that's what they want to
Speaker 1: talk about. Yeah, I wish I could pinpoint what exactly
Speaker 1: it is about humanity, like why people do that so much,
Speaker 1: because it's it doesn't solve anything, and it makes some
Speaker 1: problems so much worse, and then it discredits the move
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, what the fuck. It's just everyone
Speaker 1: wants to be heard and people don't want to listen
Speaker 1: to this. Yeah. Yeah, everyone thinks their opinion matters more more.
Speaker 1: Rape sucks. It's I mean, Salt and Pepper covered this
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Opinions are like assholes, everyone got one, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, we should have listened to that. I know,
Speaker 1: the practically the Bible. I feel like in the nineties
Speaker 1: there was a lot of great stuff going on, not
Speaker 1: just salt and pepper, but like it was a very
Speaker 1: sexually progressive time and then we regressed. And I think
Speaker 1: Sara Silver and Men actually mentioned that, like we've regressed
Speaker 1: in the present time. The nineties were more sexually forward. Yeah. Interesting,
Speaker 1: Well there is that odd thing. Have you seen the
Speaker 1: statistics that millennials have less sex than scared? Do you think? So? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think that I'm busy STDs And also
Speaker 1: I mean from a female standpoint, I mean getting rape
Speaker 1: from a female standpoint. Men, men are a lot of
Speaker 1: my good guy friends are scared of being accused of rips.
Speaker 1: They want don't want to go out and just have
Speaker 1: sex with them when they meet on Tinder after a
Speaker 1: few drinks because they don't know what's going to happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they make it. I feel like they make it more
Speaker 1: complicated because if a person is inebriated and they can't
Speaker 1: give consent, they don't have sex with that person. Just cuddle,
Speaker 1: just cuddle. But then you think, I think about all
Speaker 1: the sex I had in my twenties and it was
Speaker 1: all inebriated. So I mean, yeah, do you did you
Speaker 1: have drunk sex in college? I were serious before I
Speaker 1: think after college I did. I think in college I
Speaker 1: was in like a serious, committish relationship at a Catholic university,
Speaker 1: so we were going to get married. That's what Sleepwalk
Speaker 1: with Me is about, is about this relationship. That's that relationship. Yes,
Speaker 1: what a beautiful was going through a real bad breakup
Speaker 1: really really spoke to me. We both watched it separately
Speaker 1: and then we talked about that movie caused a lot
Speaker 1: of breakup. I'm not even feel like we're out right
Speaker 1: for each other. And you've kind of realized that movie
Speaker 1: caused a lot of breakups, and don't think twice it
Speaker 1: is going to cause a lot of people to leave
Speaker 1: show business. You want to know something after Steven and I,
Speaker 1: my boyfriend you met, watch that because he kind of
Speaker 1: has a little fear of me getting successful and then
Speaker 1: leaving him. And after the movie, we're after the movie,
Speaker 1: we're both crying, but we didn't want to show the
Speaker 1: other person. And then he goes, I don't want to
Speaker 1: be stuck in the well, and we cried and I
Speaker 1: was like, you won't. I'll get you out of the well,
Speaker 1: my god. And then she texted me this and I
Speaker 1: was like, you are both too much. I can't be
Speaker 1: a part of this. That makes me so happy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like a very cute moment. That's example similar
Speaker 1: to the thing I was thinking. It's great about this podcast?
Speaker 1: Is it got the conversation pushed? Yeah further. It's good
Speaker 1: to have that conversation. It's good to know he's afraid
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, it is, And it's nice. It's good
Speaker 1: to talk about it because then if you just gets
Speaker 1: mentioned once, you feel it, you know, you feel that
Speaker 1: it's there. Did you ever have that in your life,
Speaker 1: the someone stuck in the well? Yeah? Have you ever
Speaker 1: been stuck in the well? I feel like I have
Speaker 1: experienced all of the character's experiences and don't think twice,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like who I want to be is
Speaker 1: Gillian's character. Yeah, Sam, that's why I That's why I
Speaker 1: wish I was really someone with fully artistic integrity and
Speaker 1: and and no sense of like the business and that
Speaker 1: you have to keep the lights on and all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And then you know, part of me,
Speaker 1: of course is like Jack's character Key and Michael key character,
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, you want it to be,
Speaker 1: you want you want to be successful, you want to
Speaker 1: you want your dreams and I'm true and then part
Speaker 1: of me is like Miles where it's like you were
Speaker 1: You're bitter because you don't you feel like there's part
Speaker 1: of you that doesn't you don't have it. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: now everyone has to see the movie. Well executed, such
Speaker 1: a good movie. I like when I laugh and cry
Speaker 1: during a movie. And one of my favorite scenes was
Speaker 1: just how they deal with Paine, with like Chris Gatherd's
Speaker 1: character and just like laughing at it. Oh God, that
Speaker 1: made me so happy. I didn't get the great He's amazing.
Speaker 1: It was a standout performance. I don't want to like
Speaker 1: describe any but it was. I was like, I wasn't
Speaker 1: really he just nailed it. He had a great actor.
Speaker 1: So way back to you in college and your committed
Speaker 1: relationship and I committed serious relationship was okay. So my
Speaker 1: freshman year in college, I tried to meet people, and uh,
Speaker 1: how would you try to meet people? I just want
Speaker 1: to know how you go up to a girl, so
Speaker 1: it would be all through friends. So I remember I
Speaker 1: lived um in Harbin Hall at Georgetown, and I lived
Speaker 1: on the second floor, but I would always hang out
Speaker 1: on the ninth floor because my friend Gence Layne was there.
Speaker 1: She is, Yeah, she had a serious boyfriend, a serious
Speaker 1: a series of serious boyfriends that year. But and you're waiting. No, No,
Speaker 1: I was like, I've all I have been the eighties
Speaker 1: high school movie gay best friend for most of my life,
Speaker 1: Like I have been like the beautiful women's friend who
Speaker 1: is like I don't know if he's for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but nothing, I'm that guy. I've been that guy for
Speaker 1: like most of my life. And uh yes. So then
Speaker 1: my friends Janet had they were in the ninth phone
Speaker 1: out hang out with them, and then they would try
Speaker 1: to like set me up with people. They'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: this person would be good for you, this person will
Speaker 1: be good for you, and then it would be kind
Speaker 1: of like it just it was a lot of not fitting.
Speaker 1: I think part of it, honestly, is just I don't
Speaker 1: I think I'm an eccentric personality. I don't think that
Speaker 1: I'm for your charmingly awkward, You're very you're and you're
Speaker 1: you're very genuine, you're very honest out your awkward, and
Speaker 1: you're like, if you're not frumpy, you're not there. It's
Speaker 1: a very unique not from Yeah, I felt like my
Speaker 1: impression was a little frumpy, So that's why I wanted to.
Speaker 1: When train Wreck came out, there was a Boston Globe review,
Speaker 1: which is where I'm from, that called me Um. Mike
Speaker 1: per bigli Is plays Bree Larson's blob of a husband,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, blob like. You wouldn't describe food as
Speaker 1: a blob like without it being a little insulting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be like a blob of mashed potatoes. You'd
Speaker 1: be like a flourish of mashed potatoes. So I guess
Speaker 1: the point is is that, yeah, I'm I'm I've never
Speaker 1: and then in my twenties, like I would, I would
Speaker 1: meet people and it would just never meet women. It
Speaker 1: would just never quite click until my wife, and then
Speaker 1: it was really it was that thing. Jake Johansen has
Speaker 1: this great bit about falling in love, which is one
Speaker 1: of the shortest punch lines of all time. It's barely
Speaker 1: a joke, even though it's my favorite joke, which is
Speaker 1: he says, so I fell in love fuck, and I
Speaker 1: think that that's how I felt when I met my
Speaker 1: wife Jen, which is just I think she and I
Speaker 1: both had that where we're like, funk, this this person
Speaker 1: is going to be this is it? Don't you kind
Speaker 1: of know right away? I think so, yeah, because you
Speaker 1: never felt that before with any other person. Why did
Speaker 1: your how was being in an exclusive relationship in college? Like?
Speaker 1: How did you meet and what kind of what was she? Like?
Speaker 1: I met her at a theater party. Uh, that's so cute.
Speaker 1: I went to a lot of theater parties in college.
Speaker 1: She was in the Nomadic Theater Company. People are very sexual.
Speaker 1: She was in the Mac Theater Company, which Bradley Cooper
Speaker 1: was in. She shows that's right, that's right. Yeah, at
Speaker 1: the sequence of events, let's get let's get that on Wikipedia. Go.
Speaker 1: Braley Cooper was like, do you want to go out?
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, I'm I'm busy. Um. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I was in the Georgetown Players improv group. And then
Speaker 1: I was at a party and I and I and
Speaker 1: I met her and and uh, you know, asked her
Speaker 1: on a date and then we were together for like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think like six years. Yeah. It's pretty wild, But
Speaker 1: you never thought did you ever think that she was
Speaker 1: the one? For people who haven't seen the movie, I did. Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I've had this is the one twice in my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what was your thought process in figuring out that
Speaker 1: she wasn't the one or you weren't because I was people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's you can see sleep Walk with Me
Speaker 1: on Netflix. But for people listening to this, well, but
Speaker 1: it's it's more eloquent than I will say right now,
Speaker 1: which is to say that I think what happened was
Speaker 1: our our our our paths just became clearly divergent, and
Speaker 1: she wanted to get married, didn't have children, And I
Speaker 1: really feared that for so long. I mean, I love
Speaker 1: a daughter now as she's fifteen months old, and I'm
Speaker 1: so glad. We uh, you know, I love her, and
Speaker 1: I love my wife, and I love our life together.
Speaker 1: But I think what I feared is, you know, I
Speaker 1: used to make this joke in my early album. On
Speaker 1: my early album, might say I don't want to have
Speaker 1: kids until I'm sure that nothing else good can happen
Speaker 1: in my life. And that's a fear that it was
Speaker 1: a deep fear of mine for a long long time.
Speaker 1: And then and then you know, having a kid now,
Speaker 1: having a daughter, now you go, oh, it's not nothing
Speaker 1: good will ever happen. It's just that there's a certain
Speaker 1: added complexity that is both better and in some ways
Speaker 1: and worse in some ways. But it also it also
Speaker 1: widens your field of vision in this way that you
Speaker 1: would have never experienced. You just you don't you you
Speaker 1: understand it's not even that you um are. I think
Speaker 1: the fallacy of having children is that you're not selfish anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, no, we're all selfish like people,
Speaker 1: kids are selfish. It's just you. Your you're it's like
Speaker 1: you're selfish with limits, like you're like, you're selfish. But
Speaker 1: also you might want to make sure this little baby
Speaker 1: stays a lot you have to feed because then yeah,
Speaker 1: you got to feed the baby. Yeah yeah, And so
Speaker 1: it does it opens your mind up to honestly, like
Speaker 1: for me, of just judging parents really I used to do.
Speaker 1: I used to just be like, get the funk out
Speaker 1: of my way, and your kids and your stroller they
Speaker 1: take up so much space in the street. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: you're more judged towards parents that like I don't have
Speaker 1: you are you judging towards people? God? I don't think
Speaker 1: children should be a lot of New York City. I
Speaker 1: feel I feel that way. It's not a place for kids.
Speaker 1: I feel that way about children and old people always
Speaker 1: like why are you here? Agreed, at a certain point,
Speaker 1: you just can't. It's a walking city, you can't do
Speaker 1: it anymore. I get angry at a lot of people
Speaker 1: for a lot of things that I don't know, like
Speaker 1: strangers on street, but if it's an old person at
Speaker 1: just for some reason, I can't get mad. You love
Speaker 1: I love dogs. I don't know what that's just. Dogs
Speaker 1: could be everywhere, I don't care. It could be in restaurants.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be France, like where they can drink
Speaker 1: out of my teacup. But I agree with you on
Speaker 1: that because dogs are nimble. Dogs will jump out of
Speaker 1: the way, Like if you're like, yeah, if you're barreling
Speaker 1: down street on like a bike, dog's gonna get the
Speaker 1: funk out of the way. As whereas the old ladies
Speaker 1: getting hit and you're like, fuck you, you should have
Speaker 1: gone out of the way. Yeah, I see what you're saying,
Speaker 1: and dog's not gonna curse you out. Also helpful. So
Speaker 1: I ended up being kind of serial monogamous in my
Speaker 1: life twice before your wife, twice my wife. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: because I think that's just what I'm inclined towards like
Speaker 1: I think. In some ways, I'm lucky that I was.
Speaker 1: I didn't come up in the dating scene in the
Speaker 1: tender era. I'm glad too I didn't. I would be
Speaker 1: terrible at that. Yeah, but stories surrender is bad enough,
Speaker 1: but just swiping, you have a lot of stories. Like
Speaker 1: for dates, you'd I feel like you would be an
Speaker 1: interesting date because you would be a good speaker. Judging
Speaker 1: by your face, you don't think that about yourself. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you act different than how you're acting. I just
Speaker 1: feel like you don't bullshit. You weren't like ado like
Speaker 1: gonn talk about, but something more interesting. I'm going to
Speaker 1: dig in pretty quickly. Yeah, yeah, you're more like this
Speaker 1: exactly like this would be a good date, for example, Right,
Speaker 1: you're comfortably Let's let's be honest. Most dates are not
Speaker 1: like this. That's why I hate dates. I don't want to.
Speaker 1: I don't care what you went to school. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter to me. I'm like, what what like? What makes
Speaker 1: you feel? What makes what makes you? Yeah? I asked
Speaker 1: people gnarly questions when I first meet him, but then
Speaker 1: they tell me the answers. So that's good. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about something stupid. Yeah, you're sure.
Speaker 1: I don't care, Like I think that what happens is
Speaker 1: if you if you go on a deep dive, I
Speaker 1: think that's like a beat Homes term. But if you're
Speaker 1: going to right away, I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: are judgmental of you for doing that. You're kind of like,
Speaker 1: whoa easy, Like I don't want to deep dive with
Speaker 1: you immediately, People like, yeah, he's back. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you're right. I'll be like going to CBS and like
Speaker 1: talking to the lady behind a pharmacy about like periods,
Speaker 1: but like, you know, I don't know. That's what I'm like.
Speaker 1: That's my wife, well, not about periods, but my wife
Speaker 1: makes fun of me all the time because I will
Speaker 1: just strike up a conversation with anyone, literally anyone. Yeah
Speaker 1: you're gonna be Yeah, it's like you're already like my
Speaker 1: grandpa did that, Like he just talked to every single person.
Speaker 1: I was like, I like that. My mom always My
Speaker 1: mom's like that too. My dad always makes fun of
Speaker 1: my mom. He always goes your mother would talk to
Speaker 1: a door knob, and it's like you probably get a
Speaker 1: lot out of that. I know, I'm guilty of that too.
Speaker 1: What have you ever had a one night stand? Yeah? Sure,
Speaker 1: really yeah, I mean I think I ate a handful
Speaker 1: of those in my twenties that we're like fine. The
Speaker 1: problem is like they're not like I always felt like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is like we both feel bad somehow really like yeah,
Speaker 1: like like I would want to call the I would
Speaker 1: always be like, maybe we'll have coffee in the morning,
Speaker 1: but that's not the cool move, I guess, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, there's so there's dating politics and
Speaker 1: one night stand politics is just so complex. Yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: they are. And even like friends that I would like
Speaker 1: cook up or not friends, but people I would hook
Speaker 1: up with I would always feel like bummed out the morning.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm not. I wasn't upset that
Speaker 1: I did it, but I'm like, well, this is the end.
Speaker 1: We were just very close and now we're going to
Speaker 1: not talk to each other for a long time. And
Speaker 1: that's yeah, it is a little sen's like the death
Speaker 1: of our closeness, you know what It's like. It is
Speaker 1: like I was writing this thing recently. It's kind of
Speaker 1: half baked right now, but it's like like for me,
Speaker 1: one night stands fall into the realm of like dark joy.
Speaker 1: It's like it's joyful, but then like once the joy
Speaker 1: goes away, it's just dark like Heroin or yes, like Heroin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it is, it's like there's something and then and
Speaker 1: then My life right now is sort of light joy
Speaker 1: in the sense of like it's like the things that
Speaker 1: get excited are about her, Like Una said banana, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like she said pancake, and it's
Speaker 1: stuff I would make fun of people for I would
Speaker 1: for years and you guys are probably judging me right
Speaker 1: now hard, but but you would light joy. When the
Speaker 1: joy goes away, you can still see your fingers, like
Speaker 1: the lights are still on, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it's because they're up inside, so no, it's still
Speaker 1: light out. I was like, damn, are you making a
Speaker 1: really dirty joke right now? I'm impressed, but it's nobody.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know. That's sort of a half big
Speaker 1: concept of light joy versus dark joy. But yeah, upsides
Speaker 1: and downsides of both there are. I try. I didn't
Speaker 1: find a lot of upsides and the hookups that I have,
Speaker 1: but that's because I just like having a connection with
Speaker 1: somebody and I don't like losing that right away. Well,
Speaker 1: how to funk buddy, though? Have you ever had a
Speaker 1: fun buddy? That's what I don't like one night stands either.
Speaker 1: I've only had one, but I've had tons of fun buddies.
Speaker 1: I think I had in my funnies. I dated someone
Speaker 1: for a long time who I would not say we
Speaker 1: were dating, and then buddy, no, and no, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't say we were girlfriend boyfriend, Like you
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that at the time. We're even now in retrospect,
Speaker 1: you don't know that. In retrospect, I'm like, no, that
Speaker 1: was my no, we were dating, and I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a jerk. Yeah, okay, I'm a jerk. I'm the guy
Speaker 1: who I came off of my relationship with my college girlfriend.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I am never doing that again.
Speaker 1: And so then I met this other person who we
Speaker 1: really connected with, I really connected with, and we're like
Speaker 1: kind of off and on for like a year or so,
Speaker 1: and I was like, but we are not you know
Speaker 1: that I did. What did you say? Literally the worst? Really,
Speaker 1: you're the worst? I was, That's not the worst. I
Speaker 1: just think Dr Drew says men in their twenties are
Speaker 1: the worst people in existence? Have you ever heard that? No?
Speaker 1: But I know, but I thought, yeah, especially men. By
Speaker 1: the way, you're you have that fellow, he's great, And
Speaker 1: here are you single? No, I have a boyfriend, you
Speaker 1: have a boyfriend. I feel happy for you, guys, because
Speaker 1: I think men in their twenties in New York City
Speaker 1: are particularly the world. Well, I'm also thirtiesome out of that.
Speaker 1: You just popped that. Yeah, I dated. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of dating for me in New York and it
Speaker 1: was something. Well it's something because it's like a bunch
Speaker 1: of narcissists. Yeah, and but also that you're playing. You're
Speaker 1: doing this dance where you pretend you don't like each
Speaker 1: other because no one wants to be vulnerable and it's
Speaker 1: a game of vulnerable chicken, and you just wait for
Speaker 1: someone to admit it first so that you could both
Speaker 1: be happy and move on, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: I've liked a lot of guys and vice versa. The
Speaker 1: guy is like me, but we're too stubborn to But
Speaker 1: I don't know, beyond vulnerability, I think the problem in
Speaker 1: New York is that there you always think someone better
Speaker 1: is going to come along, that people yeah, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what it is. And you know, I think also, I
Speaker 1: think Sex in the City did a great service, Oh god, yes,
Speaker 1: to America. Even though it's a good show, it's entertaining, funny,
Speaker 1: it's entertaining that helpful exactly. Yes, Well, looking back at it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's well written, it's well acted, but it
Speaker 1: kind of sold women on this idea that New York
Speaker 1: is just like teaming with men who are but it's
Speaker 1: like a buffet and it's not. Well, that's how I
Speaker 1: learned about sex is Sex in the City and Cosmo magazine,
Speaker 1: and and then you get here and you're like, no,
Speaker 1: it's a lot it's a lot more difficult, or it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just weird. That That's why I
Speaker 1: think Lena did a good job with girls in the
Speaker 1: sense of like I think Adam Driver is actually his
Speaker 1: character is like a good example. I have recently watched
Speaker 1: the pilot episode. Again. I rewatched the pilot because I
Speaker 1: love watching pilots after I've gotten into a series, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, he was the weirdest I've I've done
Speaker 1: that with that guy so many times, and I don't
Speaker 1: you just kind of go along with it because you're
Speaker 1: like this is weird. Is this weird? I think this
Speaker 1: is weird? And then then you step out of it
Speaker 1: and you're like, what the fuck? Oh God, I've done
Speaker 1: such dumb ship like that? Have you? Did you ever
Speaker 1: have like, did you ever fall for a girl and
Speaker 1: then you didn't realize that she was maybe a little
Speaker 1: looney Tunes, a little nuts? Yeah? I had that happen
Speaker 1: a bunch of times. Yeah, yeah, or not a bunch,
Speaker 1: but definitely a couple of times where I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: like someone's in my social circle and I was like
Speaker 1: I wonder what it would be like to date that person.
Speaker 1: Then eventually, like I asked them out, and then I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is not a fit at all. Did they like
Speaker 1: you back more than you like them? I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's liking as much as just like desperately needing
Speaker 1: someone and realizing like I cannot be that person for you?
Speaker 1: How can for you? Like I can see you like
Speaker 1: falling for like a manic pixie dream girl kind of
Speaker 1: a thing. And then he's like this is so adventurous,
Speaker 1: I'm trying new things. Or twice we're the weirdest thing
Speaker 1: you ever did with someone where you where you're like
Speaker 1: doing it and you're like, I can't believe I'm fucking
Speaker 1: doing this right now, not sexually, even just like going
Speaker 1: to a dumb class or some kind of conference. I
Speaker 1: just remember this one time I I met this girl
Speaker 1: who was like in my social circle for a bit
Speaker 1: and then um, we went out a couple of times
Speaker 1: and then we hooked up. And then there was she
Speaker 1: like took out a piano and just start like playing
Speaker 1: songwhere that she wrote at her apartment. That's a big
Speaker 1: we are Carnegie Hall. I was thinking in the scene
Speaker 1: at home alone it almost lady takes him to the attic.
Speaker 1: You're at a Fiona Apple concert and she just jumped
Speaker 1: on stage and started playing Fear on the shoulder. You're
Speaker 1: embarrassing me. That was like an odd one where it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, like you just need you know what
Speaker 1: you're playing like originals you Yeah, like I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: Was it good? No? It was not? And it was
Speaker 1: and it was and it was tough because it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you like you said you need an audience, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't be the full audience. Well it's
Speaker 1: such a turn off too when someone's like they go
Speaker 1: to like show off and it's not good and it's
Speaker 1: just so uncomfortable because you don't want to tell him,
Speaker 1: but they'll find out eventually. Well, you know what's funny
Speaker 1: is I opened for Mitch Heedburg a handful of time
Speaker 1: in my twenties, and that's amazing. Yeah, I was very lucky.
Speaker 1: Do you have met him at all? But and he
Speaker 1: said a thing to me one so I thought it
Speaker 1: was very wise. He said, never never show your girlfriend
Speaker 1: your notebook. And I thought it's like a wise way
Speaker 1: of looking at it. In other words, you're rough drafts
Speaker 1: of what your jokes are, right, because and that's the
Speaker 1: same thing, right, because it's like you don't want to
Speaker 1: You kind of don't want to show people like your
Speaker 1: crappy version of stuff. Yeah, you want them to wait
Speaker 1: until they see the good version. Yeah, and then maybe
Speaker 1: in a few months you could show my boyfriend is
Speaker 1: banned from club rooms when I'm when I'm doing when
Speaker 1: I'm working on jokes, he can't understand that. Your show,
Speaker 1: by the way, it was so fun I did your show, like,
Speaker 1: oh glad that was her show. Yeah, Jesus my god.
Speaker 1: Um yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, because you tried all you
Speaker 1: could try, all the new stuff that you had written
Speaker 1: on the note cards. I was there. I just watched. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was great. Okay, um. I was like, you're I'm
Speaker 1: looking at you going I'm sure I saw you. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: yeah you guys we talked more than you talked to her,
Speaker 1: but it was her show. I was running around, understood, Okay,
Speaker 1: we need to get this very straight. But that show
Speaker 1: was so fun. Thanks audience and like podcast people and
Speaker 1: they all, like a lot of them, don't go out
Speaker 1: to see live comedy a lot, so they really it
Speaker 1: is my hope that they that gets them to want
Speaker 1: to see live comedy more because it's such a great
Speaker 1: When it's good, it's so good. But you know what's
Speaker 1: what was weird about being single for my twenties was
Speaker 1: like I never I was always working out new material,
Speaker 1: like I was a clamor plus that night, and so
Speaker 1: I would never come off stage and be the person
Speaker 1: who women were like I want to talk to that guy,
Speaker 1: because I was always just kind of like I was
Speaker 1: like a B plus on stage, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I'm always working on a material as opposed to
Speaker 1: and we all know who these people are they have
Speaker 1: their set that they've been doing. It's an a set
Speaker 1: they've been doing for ten years. It absolutely crushed. Is
Speaker 1: the sole intent of it is so that women come
Speaker 1: up to them after the show And then yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean but when what I know women who do that?
Speaker 1: So what's there? No one comes up women? We never
Speaker 1: get dudes. Yeah, And I try to encourage, like, I
Speaker 1: love when women hit on men, like I'll hit on men.
Speaker 1: I don't care like I I enjoy hitting on men.
Speaker 1: But no one ever comes out to us after. Really, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a couple of stalkers, but that's about it.
Speaker 1: I didn't even get a stalker. Lucky. Yeah, I think, well,
Speaker 1: I think we discuss this. I think you just don't
Speaker 1: know because you're too friendly, so you don't really Oh man,
Speaker 1: I've been on so many accidental dates. But you guys
Speaker 1: have boyfriends, so you're not like, what would you say, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I've only had a boyfriend for like six months. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I would still flirt with people. We both
Speaker 1: flirt with people, because that's what you gotta. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I want, I gotta And I like when he
Speaker 1: flirts with other people. It kind of turns me on,
Speaker 1: so that's like a separate thing. But yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: I like flirting with I'm not going to hit on
Speaker 1: somebody and like ask them out because that's that's not appropriate.
Speaker 1: But you know, just I just always see it with
Speaker 1: dudes when they get off stage, like that's where they
Speaker 1: get plus and then when women get off stage and
Speaker 1: they crush no, no dicky, or at least from what
Speaker 1: I've seen, no dick. Really. Yeah, that's very surprising, but
Speaker 1: I have heard that before from female comics. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it's happened. The only other people
Speaker 1: who hit on you are comics. Well, you know, there's
Speaker 1: all these theories that people have about about female comics.
Speaker 1: Let me preface this by saying, my favorite a lot
Speaker 1: of my favorite comics working are female comics, like Kathleen
Speaker 1: Madigan and Maria Bamford's Harris Silverman, Nikki Glazer. Like, I
Speaker 1: just think there's so many brilliant female comics. But I
Speaker 1: have heard this concept that, like one of the reasons
Speaker 1: women have a hard time as stand ups is that
Speaker 1: there's certain men were so bullheaded that they don't in
Speaker 1: the audience, who don't want to admit that a woman
Speaker 1: is funnier than them, and so they feel intimidated on
Speaker 1: dates that they're like that they're the that they're the
Speaker 1: sort of alpha of the relationship, so to speak, they're
Speaker 1: the funny one, and that you can't get them to
Speaker 1: laugh because somehow that admits to their date that the
Speaker 1: woman on stage is funnier than them, which is obviously
Speaker 1: the most sexist, sort of imaginable point of view, But
Speaker 1: I think that that's a decent take on what female
Speaker 1: comics struggle with times with audiences, particularly tough audiences. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've thought that your audiences audiences are like hot twenty
Speaker 1: one year old chick. They're like, let's go. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: I feel like just a biber. But you're like rough
Speaker 1: and tumble, like one one nighter in West Virginia audiences.
Speaker 1: You know, right, Well, I thought that in my head
Speaker 1: a lot. But then I'm like, am I just making excuses?
Speaker 1: You know? Because you never want to Because sometimes I'll
Speaker 1: go on stage I think there's some dudes who don't
Speaker 1: want women to be funny, Yes, and it feels that way,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I'll look them in the eye and
Speaker 1: I'll be like, bro laugh let it out, like it's
Speaker 1: could almost feel them holding themselves back from enjoying the show.
Speaker 1: And but and then in my head, I'm like, maybe
Speaker 1: it's just me because I don't want to like make
Speaker 1: excuses for myself like or should just be funnier. But
Speaker 1: I do think that that that is the case a
Speaker 1: lot of the time. But then you get someone like
Speaker 1: Maria Bamford, who like, because she's so who she is,
Speaker 1: her audience is like me and like my wife, and
Speaker 1: I go to see her whenever she's at Carolines or
Speaker 1: a town hall or wherever, are just fanatical. Like you
Speaker 1: look around and you're like, not only do people like
Speaker 1: Maria Bamford here, they fucking love her and think she's
Speaker 1: the best comedian on earth. She's we saw her. I
Speaker 1: saw all those women that you mentioned. I saw them
Speaker 1: at just for laughs, and I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: go up to women. I can go up to men
Speaker 1: comics that I admire and say hi, and it's fine.
Speaker 1: I can't. I have like a bigger crush on female
Speaker 1: comics and I can't talk to them. I'm like, they're
Speaker 1: gonna hate me. They're not going, oh my god, Like
Speaker 1: I get I have this like fear well there's just
Speaker 1: also there. I mean for me, there's like a power
Speaker 1: that you can use with a straight man where you
Speaker 1: can use the power of sexuality to make them like
Speaker 1: automatically even feel like with you. I don't feel that
Speaker 1: I'm using it though, but I must say, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: probably there. Yeah, So for a woman that will be like,
Speaker 1: how why can you like me? Can you just like me?
Speaker 1: That's not so awkward just approaching comedians in general when
Speaker 1: you're a young comedian, and also we're just not approachable folks.
Speaker 1: Why force people? I hug people way too early, That's
Speaker 1: the thing I do, and they're like, okay, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Yeah, I'm just really awkward. There's something about
Speaker 1: like who have you guys gone up to of comics
Speaker 1: who you've admired and it's gone, like okay, it's gone okay.
Speaker 1: I mean David Tells always on and off. That was
Speaker 1: my like my number one. It's like, I for ten
Speaker 1: years I had waited to meet David Tell and I've
Speaker 1: met him now a bunch of times now that he
Speaker 1: well knows who I am and can wave at me
Speaker 1: when I walked past the seller. And that's great because
Speaker 1: about the podcast all the time and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for caring. He's so kind, but it's so
Speaker 1: like you're like, oh my this is And if David
Speaker 1: tell Us comedian doesn't like David Tells, my favorite's amazing,
Speaker 1: like god damn it. Like if he doesn't like me,
Speaker 1: tell myself, I kind of do right like that. So
Speaker 1: how do you break in? Um? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: went up to Hirette used to straight up stock David
Speaker 1: tell I mean I smoked like three cigarettes and I
Speaker 1: don't smoke, just to be arrested. And I was joking
Speaker 1: and that was made my friends stand with me. I
Speaker 1: was like, stop it. We're gonna gonna keep smoking until
Speaker 1: David Talk comes out here and smokes too. And I
Speaker 1: mean it worked. But he's actually he's bizarrely nice, so sweet,
Speaker 1: as misanthropic, hilarious as his comedy is. Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: and he takes weird turns, Like last time I saw
Speaker 1: him outside, he was like, oh, funk that guy. You
Speaker 1: funk that guy, that guy Chris Dad. I'm like, gosh,
Speaker 1: because sometimes it's very talkative and sometimes he's very quiet,
Speaker 1: and you never know which Dave you're gonna get, and
Speaker 1: it's a thrill, and then when he's quiet, you have
Speaker 1: to make the jokes. But then you don't want to
Speaker 1: make jokes in front of David Tell because what the
Speaker 1: fund Joe Cone one time I tried to make a
Speaker 1: joke and he told me. He's like, that wasn't funny.
Speaker 1: Tried again and I was like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna cry. The funny thing. I was on tour with
Speaker 1: him with train Wreck last summer. It was me and
Speaker 1: him and Colin Quinn, Amy and Amy Schumer and Vanessa
Speaker 1: Bayer and jed At. Yeah, so funny. But but it
Speaker 1: was my birthday on the tour and Dave was the
Speaker 1: only person who got me a birthday present. He's very
Speaker 1: gonna be like a writing notebook. It was really sweet
Speaker 1: and I was like, will you sign it? And so
Speaker 1: he did. I have this raining notebook that's signed by David. Hell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's really He's always giving money to homeless people like outside.
Speaker 1: He's very, very generous and thoughtful. Have you ever been
Speaker 1: nervous to meet somebody and funked it up? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: so many people. Really have you read an awkward Well?
Speaker 1: I think the person who absolutely floored me meeting was
Speaker 1: Mitch Hedberg the first time. Yeah, that was middling for
Speaker 1: him opening for him, if people don't know the term middling.
Speaker 1: Uh the second Sexual Sexual Theme podcast, he was behind
Speaker 1: you and then the opener was in front of you,
Speaker 1: and uh, which was his wife Lynn chak Off. But
Speaker 1: that's not helping the freeways. But but I was asked
Speaker 1: by the club owner a Joker's Comedy Club, the former
Speaker 1: the former Dayton Joker's Comedy Club, UM to pick him
Speaker 1: up at his hotel, and so I picked up him
Speaker 1: and his wife, and uh, I was just in shock
Speaker 1: that I would ever. I mean, I feel like that's
Speaker 1: what's wild about the comedy businesses, Like you end up
Speaker 1: meeting these people who you never in your wildest dreams
Speaker 1: would imagine speaking to. Yeah, and that was that's so
Speaker 1: early on. That's amazing too, or something like that. I've
Speaker 1: been doing this a long time. And then and then
Speaker 1: I went on to open for David Tell, Mitch Hedberg,
Speaker 1: and Lewis Black like six or seven shows on the
Speaker 1: Comedy the first ever Comedy Central Live Theater tour, which
Speaker 1: is why it's a good gig. Yeah, it was this
Speaker 1: is I ended up on that because I wanted to
Speaker 1: get tickets to it? And so I called the booker,
Speaker 1: Jeff Wills, who was booking the tour Goodness. I was like,
Speaker 1: can I get tickets to this? And he was like, actually,
Speaker 1: I'll do you want better if you can open, if
Speaker 1: you can get yourself there and put yourself up. So
Speaker 1: I was like, this kind of bit losing money, like
Speaker 1: we're working at a deficit kind of thing opening for
Speaker 1: this tour. It was unbelievable. Did did women come up
Speaker 1: to you guys afterwards? Like when you were single? Have
Speaker 1: you ever did you ever flirt with a fan and
Speaker 1: go home with a fan? I think that happened, so yes,
Speaker 1: I yeah, I think that happened a few times. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was always like fine, but it's not I don't
Speaker 1: think it's super healthy, right, Well, it's it's and it's
Speaker 1: not for everybody because I feel like I know a
Speaker 1: lot of comedians that like really love like some some
Speaker 1: of my friends like go outside purposely to be right. Well,
Speaker 1: you see that a lot. Yeah, have you ever been
Speaker 1: like a comedy teacher? Have you ever taught comedy? No?
Speaker 1: I play one in the movie. I was asking that
Speaker 1: power dynamic. Yeah, I mean all the time, and my
Speaker 1: character and don't think twice is Miles. He's he's like
Speaker 1: an improv teacher who's like bitter and old old he's
Speaker 1: my age, yeah and uh and like a womanizer of
Speaker 1: his students. And he's kind of like the most despicable
Speaker 1: character in the film, which is uh, I don't know
Speaker 1: fun to play. Yeah, well, you know you said part
Speaker 1: of you is in every person is part of you.
Speaker 1: That no, I never I never taught and I never
Speaker 1: like engage this. My first manager was this guy Lucien Hold.
Speaker 1: Oh you met Lucian Yeah, yeah, when he passed away
Speaker 1: three years ago, but yeah, but he was he was
Speaker 1: the booker on the comic strip on every side years
Speaker 1: since the seventies. He passed, like Seinfeld and stuff, damn
Speaker 1: yeah yeah and uh yeah, like Chris Rock and like
Speaker 1: a lot of those people were really loyal to Lucien
Speaker 1: over the years. But he always said, and it's a
Speaker 1: bit of a sexist remark, but if you if you
Speaker 1: apply it to both genders, and it's not. He always said, right,
Speaker 1: that's how you oh what oh wait, and then it
Speaker 1: all died. That was the ghost of Lucien. Lucien really
Speaker 1: did not want to be called sex. The one sexist
Speaker 1: experience in comedy was at the comic strip for really owners, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't the worst thing. I think everyone has.
Speaker 1: Everyone's sexist experience was that the comic strip. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't the worst thing. I want to say what
Speaker 1: he said. I said that he goes to comedians. There's
Speaker 1: comedians who do it for the women in these comedians
Speaker 1: who do it for the art. And he said to me,
Speaker 1: you're one of the comedians who does it for the art.
Speaker 1: And I think that that's going to endure for you.
Speaker 1: And that's true. I mean I think that that's that's true.
Speaker 1: I think that the comedians who do it we or
Speaker 1: the men. But that was Cox. Yeah, that wasn't a
Speaker 1: sexist statement. All the women are just doing it for
Speaker 1: the art because we love art. Because some women are
Speaker 1: like really in the integrity. I think you're like that, Sam,
Speaker 1: You're like Sam in the movie integrat I don't know
Speaker 1: any woman who does comedy for the dick. Interesting, Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: most of must do it from sitting on the knife.
Speaker 1: I don't put a lot of people do. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: well you but you were, You're doing it because of
Speaker 1: your mom's depression thing. Oh yeah, so depression does have
Speaker 1: a factor in it. Yeah, there you go. My mom
Speaker 1: was bipolar, and I was like, be happy, mom, and
Speaker 1: I was just trying to make her laugh my right.
Speaker 1: Were I relate to that? Really? No? But my dad
Speaker 1: was always like in sort of I always found my
Speaker 1: dad bad movies my whole life, and I and my
Speaker 1: mom was always sort of cheery, and I would sort
Speaker 1: of like, I feel like I was always entertaining my
Speaker 1: mom to some degree to distract from your dad's being
Speaker 1: being kind of shouty and and nuts. But yeah, but
Speaker 1: I yeah, no, so I. But then again, there's I
Speaker 1: don't know, there's a part of all any performer or
Speaker 1: any artist of any kind of who is doing whatever
Speaker 1: they're doing. The reason you start is like this, look
Speaker 1: at me kind of narcissism. And then at a certain
Speaker 1: point I think you're you stop and go like, wait,
Speaker 1: there's more here you can Yeah, once you understand the
Speaker 1: power of it and the potential of it, how you
Speaker 1: could use it, and then your goal change because you
Speaker 1: want to invoke. When you see good comedy, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, like that's so I want to be able
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, And you feel like you want
Speaker 1: to connect with people like you feel like I found
Speaker 1: like I had a breakthrough like ten years ago where
Speaker 1: I started telling stories on stage and tell instead of
Speaker 1: just jokes, and I was like, oh, I feel a
Speaker 1: human connection to these strangers beyond just laughter, Like they're
Speaker 1: actually like listening and taking it in and seeing their
Speaker 1: lives through that lens that I'm describing my story. And
Speaker 1: there's something profound about that. And you're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: actually contributing to something. Yeah, it feels really good. So
Speaker 1: do you have do you have a hard time connecting
Speaker 1: with people out off stage, because it seems like, you know,
Speaker 1: with the serial monogamy that you wouldn't But let me
Speaker 1: think on that. No, I think I do. I think
Speaker 1: I'm okay connecting with people, but I do think, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's a I like connecting
Speaker 1: with strangers. It's like that thing that people say, like
Speaker 1: strippers sometimes said, I don't want to strip in front
Speaker 1: of people. I know, like I want to strip front Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so, I've never heard anybody use that line.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I don't strip in front of people.
Speaker 1: I mean that just seems like a logical thing. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't see. Maybe it's just that striping Christmas Thanksgiving break.
Speaker 1: I don't strip because maybe that's not something I feel
Speaker 1: like I've heard that before. The notion makes sense. I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want strip in front of anybody,
Speaker 1: but especially people I know. I love doing comedy in
Speaker 1: front of strangers versus people I know I love. I
Speaker 1: love like I'm on Oranges the New Black. And the
Speaker 1: funniest thing is like I get tons of black strangers
Speaker 1: coming up to me now because they watched that show,
Speaker 1: and it's great. That's never happened. Because that's never happened.
Speaker 1: People never noticed you. Because I just have tons of
Speaker 1: like white fans, and which drives me crazy. I want
Speaker 1: to have black fans. I want to have a mix.
Speaker 1: I want to have to be honest, I want old fans,
Speaker 1: young fans. I want like the widest swath of you know,
Speaker 1: unique interesting people in the audience. And unfortunately, like I,
Speaker 1: I always wish they were more. Actually, one of the
Speaker 1: upsides of of this past movie Don't Think Twice is
Speaker 1: I think I don't know, but I think because Keegan
Speaker 1: Michael Key is by racial, I think there's more black
Speaker 1: audience members that I've noticed at the at the movie
Speaker 1: when I go to Q and A's and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: this is great. It feels more just like a connected
Speaker 1: human experience when it's a more diverse audience. Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: like more accurate representation of society as well, much more. Yes,
Speaker 1: fucking white people. It's like you'll have to come people. Well,
Speaker 1: I saw the movie with almost exclusively old people in Denver, Colorado,
Speaker 1: the Mayan. Yes, at the Mayan. Absolutely. I went there
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago, just me and a bunch of
Speaker 1: blue hairs. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, at two o'clock in
Speaker 1: the afternoon. Yeah. Yes. What's the weirdest sexual experience you've
Speaker 1: ever had? Huh Um? I think it would have to
Speaker 1: be the first time I had sex. How was that?
Speaker 1: How old were you? Okay, because my girlfriend at the
Speaker 1: time was uh who was my college girlfriend, and she
Speaker 1: had had sex and it was not a version and
Speaker 1: I was a virgin. You told her? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like that before conceal that one. Yeah, girls
Speaker 1: do a lot of girls do, a lot the ones
Speaker 1: that we've heard from. Yeah, or they don't know if
Speaker 1: they should tell and like it's not a big deal,
Speaker 1: like I would want the person to know so that
Speaker 1: they know. But it was I think, here's the mistake
Speaker 1: we made, and let this be a Let this be
Speaker 1: a lesson to the listeners. The first time we made
Speaker 1: a thing of it, like we went to a bed
Speaker 1: and breakfast and in like North Carolina or something. Don't
Speaker 1: the same thing, and yours, I think is gonna turn
Speaker 1: out not good? But mine turned out gut mine. Mine
Speaker 1: turned out terribly, which is I was its performance anxiety.
Speaker 1: I lost my direction how far in didn't work like
Speaker 1: you know, like early on and then yeah, sure a
Speaker 1: couple of minutes and then it like kind of didn't
Speaker 1: sort of happen, and then we sort of lied there
Speaker 1: in disgust and then was there there was inseartion, like
Speaker 1: there was okay, but just for like a little bit.
Speaker 1: It was so weird. That really really bad because it
Speaker 1: was it was that I my whole life. I feel
Speaker 1: like I had that, not my whole life, I mean
Speaker 1: up until age nineteen, I feel like I had that
Speaker 1: Catholic sort of fear of sex, of like what is it?
Speaker 1: Did you have? What happens? Were you kind of catholic
Speaker 1: that felt guilty masturbating because a lot of people have
Speaker 1: told us that, and that specifically with Catholic Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah, I don't have that fear anymore. Thank
Speaker 1: free Master. Do you masturbate a lot? Mike, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: but I think that would be a good joke. Really,
Speaker 1: you don't a lot, But you know what, you home
Speaker 1: swore it off. Do you know that. I did hear
Speaker 1: that he talked about it. I thought that was smart
Speaker 1: because I sworn it off from time to time. I
Speaker 1: think it is. I mean, I've my wife and I
Speaker 1: since we've had our child. I mean it's having a
Speaker 1: child a little bit like a fire draw at the time,
Speaker 1: Like you're just constantly running around me like what do
Speaker 1: I do? What's happening? What's going on? Is everyone alive?
Speaker 1: And so there's a there's less sex overall, but somehow
Speaker 1: better sex, like yeah, because you feel like you're having
Speaker 1: sex sort of under like this dictatorship or something, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of hot. Yeah, there's something I don't let them. Yes,
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say because you had
Speaker 1: such a strong bond because you created life together, but
Speaker 1: I guess not so cheesy. But we there's also this
Speaker 1: weird thing of like is when you have a kid.
Speaker 1: Because I have a serious sleep disorder, so I can't
Speaker 1: sleep in the same room as my wife and daughter
Speaker 1: because I jumped through a second sleepwalking Sleepwalk with Me
Speaker 1: is on Netflix. Did you still do that? I do? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you can't. There's no cure for it, so
Speaker 1: all you can do is take medication. I sleep in
Speaker 1: a sleeping bag. I mean, it's not ideal. It's my
Speaker 1: it's my thing. You don't know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: the cross I bear with your wife. Compare myself to
Speaker 1: Jesus had some difficulties as well. We all have our struggles.
Speaker 1: And your this is across nails in his arms, and
Speaker 1: mine is I sleep in a sleeping bag. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so my wife and I sleep in the same bed,
Speaker 1: but when she sleeps in the other room with our baby,
Speaker 1: sometimes we do not sleep in the same bed. And
Speaker 1: so that's a whole thing. And like so a lot
Speaker 1: of times, like to have sex, like we have to
Speaker 1: like have a babysitter a nap, right, and then he
Speaker 1: just goes far away from a room. Is that happens too,
Speaker 1: And then sometimes like we'll hire a babysitter and like
Speaker 1: we'll go out secret use. Well, yeah, it's like this
Speaker 1: weird thing like we're going to we go to a movie,
Speaker 1: we come home and we say that. We say the
Speaker 1: babysitter like like, hey, we're going upstairs see if sex
Speaker 1: while she's in the house. Yeah, we give her heads up.
Speaker 1: She get does she get the what we say? Like
Speaker 1: we'll be back in eleven minutes. You know, like there's uh,
Speaker 1: that's what's sort of perverse about it was like there's
Speaker 1: a third party who's kind of aware of it. Let's
Speaker 1: just like go to a red roof in from time
Speaker 1: to time. I like that. I like that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's I don't know. I like doing all
Speaker 1: those red roofs INDs that are in Manhattan. There is
Speaker 1: one in Manhattan. Yeah, it's right by Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: good deals. It's in little India, a little India. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right near here. Fun, there's a little Korean little in
Speaker 1: India right here. We'll create where the red roof is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a red roof in. But the thing is in Manhattan,
Speaker 1: you can probably go to like a boutique hotel and
Speaker 1: get a better deal, like the Carlton Arms. I think
Speaker 1: that's a great idea getting a lot of great advice here. Yeah. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: so you tell the babysitter be back in eleven minute.
Speaker 1: But that freaks me out. That doesn't freak me out.
Speaker 1: I totally I would do I feel like I would
Speaker 1: do that. And if I was a babysitter, be like,
Speaker 1: take your time. Oh boy, yeah, are you loud when
Speaker 1: you have sex? I don't know. I've never been on
Speaker 1: the other side of the wall, don't. I mean, do
Speaker 1: you talk? So you're very you're very You're a talker,
Speaker 1: but do you imagine you talk? I've only but I
Speaker 1: don't know. I've only lived within it, so I don't
Speaker 1: know what my volume control lands. You're so present that
Speaker 1: you don't remember what you say? Called bullshit? No, I
Speaker 1: this is so uncomfortable. You don't have to answer it.
Speaker 1: If you do answer it, you don't have to tell
Speaker 1: me what you say go through like a line. I
Speaker 1: think dirty talk to us. All of these things have
Speaker 1: and have not happened. Okay, Wow, religion really fucked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why we're gob sexual. Yes, it's silent. That's why
Speaker 1: the babysitter can stay downstairs. And also, I hope they're
Speaker 1: the hourly rate you're paying her as it's outrageous phenomenal. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: but I'm no, it's not. I was like, damn, it's not.
Speaker 1: Do you have Well? So I'm still curious about you
Speaker 1: tell the babysitter you're gonna go bone real quick? Do
Speaker 1: you then what you say to her? No, he's implied,
Speaker 1: but does she get it? And then there's there's this
Speaker 1: thing recently because I wrote this thing about it um
Speaker 1: for the Nantucket Film Festival. I had like a story
Speaker 1: night and I and so I wrote a little bit
Speaker 1: about this and I mentioned the babysitter thing, and and
Speaker 1: then I pointed out that like I like, I kind
Speaker 1: of get now later in life, like why these people
Speaker 1: like Arrld Schwarzenegger like end up like sleeping with the babysitter,
Speaker 1: Because like, I don't agree with it. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a good idea. I don't condone it, but I
Speaker 1: kind of like get we're getting an exclusive. I think
Speaker 1: you're hyper aware that you're on like a feminist podcast.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I'm not for it. I
Speaker 1: get it, but I get it because I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the babysitters, like you're like, who wants to take care
Speaker 1: of the baby, you who wants to have sex, you too,
Speaker 1: perfect consolidates the whole operation. And then my wife, my
Speaker 1: wife who gives a lot of insight into my writing
Speaker 1: and is a writer herself. She she goes, I want
Speaker 1: to point out that, like, like you know, you do
Speaker 1: get to funk the babysitter, I'm the babysitter, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Or like you do get you do
Speaker 1: get the nanny. I'm the nan right, And which is
Speaker 1: she's got its better line than any of my lines.
Speaker 1: She's like she puts on a nanny cost and be like, wait, yeah,
Speaker 1: well I'm kind I'm very fascinated by the relationship you
Speaker 1: have with your wife because I feel like any time
Speaker 1: like you describe yourself, it's like you're not you don't
Speaker 1: really sell yourself as someone that another person would want
Speaker 1: to marry. Because you have my favorite quote of all time,
Speaker 1: which is you said to John, which is I'm never
Speaker 1: going to be happy. Why do you want to be
Speaker 1: a part of that? Yeah? I love that. It's on
Speaker 1: my Facebook page in my bioection because I was like,
Speaker 1: this is great. I feel exactly the same way. But
Speaker 1: she like you you anti sould yourself and then she
Speaker 1: still wanted to be a part of that, Like I
Speaker 1: got really lucky. Do you like yourself though? I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would think. I don't know, I know, I've never
Speaker 1: thought about it in that in that those plane of terms,
Speaker 1: I guess, but I think so, Yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: just don't think. I don't think you're desirable. My my reason,
Speaker 1: my reason joke about my body that I'm going to
Speaker 1: put on stage soon is that I have the body
Speaker 1: of someone who's just about to start p ninety X
Speaker 1: and then doesn't. Yeah, and my my wife is super hot,
Speaker 1: and so that we are in stark contrast to one another.
Speaker 1: Do you feel old? I do? I do. I'm thirty eight,
Speaker 1: not that that's such a great age for a guy.
Speaker 1: That's like a hot age. And the forties too, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Primes. When I moved to New York, I
Speaker 1: was nineteen, I was like, I just want to bang
Speaker 1: a four year old because I just think that it's
Speaker 1: and I still think it's so attractive like older men
Speaker 1: or I don't know. I think it's just because men
Speaker 1: in their twenties tend to be the worst nightmare, so
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's worth Yeah, yeah, I mean, are you
Speaker 1: like bugs with Dr Drew used to listen to love Line. No.
Speaker 1: I was just asking because I was like, plea love No. No.
Speaker 1: I I was on the show a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but no. And then when I was on, you know,
Speaker 1: when I was first starting out, I was driving my
Speaker 1: mom's station, wagging around the country to areas of lesser
Speaker 1: comedy concentration. I would, yes, you're making me what I
Speaker 1: would listen to, uh hours of you know, love Line
Speaker 1: and Stern and whatever it was on and uh and
Speaker 1: love Line is so good. I mean it was so good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But anyway, he yeah, he says that thing about guys
Speaker 1: in their twenties are just the worst people, and he's
Speaker 1: I think he's not raw. Do you have a type
Speaker 1: of woman that you're tracted to or you just a variety,
Speaker 1: like of all of your past relationships or hook up
Speaker 1: has been a similar type of woman. I just think
Speaker 1: funny people. Yeah, I think that. I think if you
Speaker 1: don't have the same sense of humor with the person
Speaker 1: you're with, I don't know what's going on. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, what is what do
Speaker 1: you talk about? I don't know. I've never had a
Speaker 1: relationship where humor was not a huge part of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because then it's then it's born. Yeah, that sucks. What's
Speaker 1: the most adventurous thing you've ever done sexually? Questions are now?
Speaker 1: I like asking you these because it kind of makes Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I mean we have to we have to get access
Speaker 1: to the unprepared. But's come on, I've seen your show.
Speaker 1: My mom loves My mom wanted me to tell you,
Speaker 1: but she love She saw some thing twice. She loved
Speaker 1: that it hit all the key points that a movie
Speaker 1: should kit like, I can show you the text message.
Speaker 1: He's a huge fan. He was like debating it should
Speaker 1: be here when you were wrong. Don't want to seem
Speaker 1: like again, what's the weirdest sex than you've ever done?
Speaker 1: Most adventurous? You know, I don't like the hottest or
Speaker 1: something wild any like? Well, like I because I know
Speaker 1: you don't just do missionary And when we were in Nantucket,
Speaker 1: we were in Nantucket, I pointed out that my wife
Speaker 1: and I had had more. My wife pointed out that
Speaker 1: we had had sex on the beach there which was
Speaker 1: called which is called children's beach, which we did, yeah,
Speaker 1: which we didn't know was called children's speech. When we
Speaker 1: had sex that we did the exact opposite of what
Speaker 1: you're supposed to do at children's beach. We created children.
Speaker 1: There were no children running around. No, it was at night.
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny we had had Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: That was at a time in our relationship that was
Speaker 1: very Uh, it was early in our relationship. It was
Speaker 1: it was it we did like weird ship. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was. It wasn't like our relationship was rocky early on.
Speaker 1: Neither of us wanted to be in it, but we
Speaker 1: were because but we we love But you were still
Speaker 1: pulled towards Yeah, we loved each other. And it was
Speaker 1: the Jake Joansen bit of like fuck yeah, Like what
Speaker 1: was the funk though, because I have a funk to
Speaker 1: the fun. The funk for me recently was I don't
Speaker 1: want to disrupt my career that's finally fucking going well
Speaker 1: to take time, because I know how much time and
Speaker 1: work a relationship takes. You're not wrong. Was that the
Speaker 1: same funk for you? Yeah? Yeah, and it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna disrupt my plan you know, because like you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like an obsessive planner and I'm neurotic and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is what you know. When I'm twenty five, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be on Letterman. When I'm thirty, I'm going
Speaker 1: to make my first movie. When I'm thirty five, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make my second movie. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like if the fucking plan. Yeah, that you have in
Speaker 1: your brain, it's precious to you. Yeah, it's precious to you.
Speaker 1: You have dreams, and and then you know, at a
Speaker 1: certain point in your life you start to accept and
Speaker 1: this is what, of course, don't think twice is about,
Speaker 1: as you start to realize that, you know what happens
Speaker 1: when life gets in the way of dreams. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: that's that's what nobody tells you, or that nobody maybe
Speaker 1: they tell you, but you can't even get it until
Speaker 1: it happens to you. Yeah, because I feel like there's
Speaker 1: so many people who that's happened to. Yeah. I remember
Speaker 1: my friend Chris and who's in my improv group. Like
Speaker 1: in our early twenties we have to show UCB. It
Speaker 1: was really popular. A group was called Little Man and
Speaker 1: then his uh, his girlfriend I had a kid. He
Speaker 1: fell in love with this woman who had a kid,
Speaker 1: and who's awesome name is Alison and and He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna move back to Chicago and uh, raise
Speaker 1: this kid and get married. And I was like, don't
Speaker 1: you see that, Like we're gonna be like successful comedience
Speaker 1: you have to have because I don't care. I just
Speaker 1: don't care, because I'm in love with this person and
Speaker 1: it means more to me to raise this child I
Speaker 1: love and this woman to be with this woman I
Speaker 1: love than to be a comedian. I just don't care.
Speaker 1: Do you have to give up so much? This is
Speaker 1: one of the most successful and this is one of
Speaker 1: the most talented people I know. Is he happy? I
Speaker 1: think he is. Yeah, I see him whenever I go
Speaker 1: to Chicago. Yeah, because everyone has different priorities, So yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. That's the thing. It's hard
Speaker 1: for me to not feel like, oh no, but that's
Speaker 1: their life, that's not my life. Well that's the thing
Speaker 1: that drives me crazy about Like there's an American perception
Speaker 1: of success that it has to be this one thing,
Speaker 1: but in fact, I think it can be like on
Speaker 1: the spectrum of like a whole ton of things, and
Speaker 1: that I feel like my thirties have been all about
Speaker 1: like realizing like, oh no, it's not about what other
Speaker 1: people perceive my success should be. It's what I experience
Speaker 1: and what I want and when you know sort of
Speaker 1: and then what happens in life. Yeah, well I to
Speaker 1: be like the driving force initially is like I talked
Speaker 1: about this goal the time, I gotta do it, and
Speaker 1: then you get into it, You're like, this is really fun.
Speaker 1: I really want to do it. No, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: and then you just get or usually turning back, get
Speaker 1: everything you want and then you're like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: kind of meaningless and this sucks. Yeah. Have you ever
Speaker 1: had that moment? Sure? Right now? All I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: All I wanted to do is be on this podcast here,
Speaker 1: I am going, what am I doing? Sirens? Poor? You
Speaker 1: are making no no, no no. But I have a
Speaker 1: good answer with that, though, which is yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like if I told myself, my twenty one year old
Speaker 1: self what that, I would just be making just have
Speaker 1: made my second movie and it would have you know,
Speaker 1: this person and this person in it. I would just
Speaker 1: be like no way, Like that's crazy or you're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, when I was twenty one, you're gonna play
Speaker 1: Carnegie Hall and you're gonna have a successful off probably
Speaker 1: like no way, and then you then you live it
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I'm wherever you go there you are? Yeah,
Speaker 1: still you yeah, still sucky you. Well it's still p
Speaker 1: nine x. And then does it gave up just before? Well? Also,
Speaker 1: what was I gonna say? Well, your goals become What
Speaker 1: I've realized is you always want that something in the distance,
Speaker 1: and then when you get it, you're like, I got
Speaker 1: to create something else farther away. Like for me, I
Speaker 1: always want to have a goal that's higher that I
Speaker 1: feel like might be impossible, and I just want to
Speaker 1: see if I could do it. That's smart kind of thing.
Speaker 1: We can ask you to the Ted Talk. I was like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: what are yours right now? Uh? Well you got asked
Speaker 1: to do Ted Talk. That's great. I want to listen
Speaker 1: to that. I got the email when I was at
Speaker 1: video to Yeah, yeah, it's on YouTube. She has a
Speaker 1: monthly show and you're a comedic club called Nacho Bitches
Speaker 1: And it was a Halloween version and I was Wednesday
Speaker 1: Adams and who you were a transgender Ronald McDonald. I
Speaker 1: was transgend McDonald and we were like drunk, like you know,
Speaker 1: running around. I was at the show and I got
Speaker 1: this em and I was like, we just talk. She's like, no,
Speaker 1: he did it. I was like, yeah, we did. But
Speaker 1: what those are goals though that I didn't even know?
Speaker 1: It was even like you didn't even know. You didn't
Speaker 1: even even know it was something you want. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: well it's funny because my goals that I've I'm obsessed
Speaker 1: with Saturday Night Live and I wanted to be on
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live. And that's why, Like when Keegan came
Speaker 1: out his character and he fucking show, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I like cringe during all of his
Speaker 1: characters when he yells at the people for talking weird
Speaker 1: to his famous like, its just he's amazing. I actually
Speaker 1: really nice. I got lunch with him like ten years ago.
Speaker 1: I went to l as my uncle's good friends with
Speaker 1: him because he worked on mat TV for for a
Speaker 1: long time, and I remember asking about comedy, when do
Speaker 1: we gonna who's your uncle, Jeff Hutchinson. I don't need
Speaker 1: it sets for the ten years because Keegan and Tammy
Speaker 1: Sager worked at Matt TV together, know Tammy, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they were Tammy were in Second City. Yeah, there's cool.
Speaker 1: Are we talking about? You were getting to something. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. I forget. This happens to me a lot.
Speaker 1: I think we're fine. Do you do you feel comfortable? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What we need to wrap there? Anything you want to
Speaker 1: leave on see the movie, but like any any other
Speaker 1: story or anything we didn't cover, or yeah, you wanted
Speaker 1: to reveal something weird about yourself sexually, because I know
Speaker 1: I feel like you're aching to do it. Yes, but
Speaker 1: yes I am. I'm just dying to break out with that.
Speaker 1: But you know, so if we went with a black
Speaker 1: light to Mike propigs apartment, where where's the what's the
Speaker 1: weirdest day? And where would it be? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's like you're sleeping bag would just be covered. Every
Speaker 1: question that you guys ask, I just I start like
Speaker 1: visualizing the the answers and then cringing. The silence is
Speaker 1: But that's also why I enjoy asking them. I know,
Speaker 1: I know it's yeah, No, it's that's my hook. People
Speaker 1: like watching me be uncomfortable. You're really good at it.
Speaker 1: Do you hate it? It's fun? Yeah? No, I think
Speaker 1: one of the most fun things about comedy is that
Speaker 1: you're the butt of the joke and if you can't
Speaker 1: kind of The most fun thing about the most funny
Speaker 1: comedy to me is when the person on stage is
Speaker 1: willing to be the joke. And that's what you guys
Speaker 1: are are doing that to me or not, and I
Speaker 1: enjoy that it's happening for the for the out of
Speaker 1: respect for comedy. Well you discussed that in your in
Speaker 1: your stage show that yeah, being like someone has to
Speaker 1: be the butt of the joke. It's doing this overly
Speaker 1: PC society we live in. Someone has to be the
Speaker 1: pot of the joke because that's what a fucking joke.
Speaker 1: So you guys are like asking me uncomfortable questions and
Speaker 1: it's like, it's funny. It's funny that like it makes
Speaker 1: me like literally the color red. Yeah, it's funny. That's
Speaker 1: what I love the podcast. Thank you, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for doing it. Just in the think of your
Speaker 1: face now when we're interviewing people, like Mike's cringing right
Speaker 1: now for for our guest. He's been in the hot stait.
Speaker 1: He knows how it feels. I love it. But if
Speaker 1: people will, I will say, if people wherever they're listening, um, see,
Speaker 1: don't think twice. It's it's gonna be Wait tell me
Speaker 1: when your broadcast as Friday Fridays in a week a
Speaker 1: week Okay, so this weekend. Ah, the movie is in
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty theaters, which basically means that it's
Speaker 1: it's everywhere. I mean, it's within it's within forty miles
Speaker 1: of you, and you can just go and don't think
Speaker 1: twice movie dot com And and if you like stuff
Speaker 1: like this, if you like sleep Walk with Me, if
Speaker 1: you like things that are small and personal and indie
Speaker 1: and made with a lot of love and very little money,
Speaker 1: go to the movie and see it this weekend, because
Speaker 1: because that's how I get to make other stuff, and
Speaker 1: that's how these guys get to make other stuff. And
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's sort of the ecosystem of independent
Speaker 1: art right now. Yeah, And it is a great fucking movie.
Speaker 1: I loved it. So it brought out so many emotions
Speaker 1: because when you saw a car and you're like, I left,
Speaker 1: I cried and I was like really and then I
Speaker 1: saw it BUTTHEA and Stephen looked at me because I
Speaker 1: want to be stuck in the womb. Well, it was
Speaker 1: maybe beautiful, he might. I'll play this clip if we
Speaker 1: do ever end up breaking up a bit well, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that would be interesting because I'm at least Mike probicularly,
Speaker 1: I would have a big impact on our relationships because
Speaker 1: you know, Sleepwalk with Me had a big impact on
Speaker 1: me and Frank, which was the impetus for this podcast.
Speaker 1: And maybe the podcast can end with twice right ahole
Speaker 1: three sixty evil fuck. Just thank you very so much
Speaker 1: for coming on. This is quite an honor. Everyone is
Speaker 1: gonna be really exciting. And where can we follow? Twitter
Speaker 1: handle is oh after bigs at the I R B
Speaker 1: I G S And then I don't think movie. You
Speaker 1: should follow and like us on on Facebook. I don't
Speaker 1: think twice movie, go see it. Thank you guys so much,
Speaker 1: Thank you so you're such a trooper. This has been
Speaker 1: That's the worst thing you could say to me. I know,
Speaker 1: it's the interview is everything I could have asked for more.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next Friday. But I want to
Speaker 1: tell you a little something. Oh, let me tell you
Speaker 1: a little something. Oh, let me tell you a little something. No, No,
Speaker 1: I just want to tell you a little something. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it in a song. Lord, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to write my wrongs. I'm just trying to clear my thoughts.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to clean My conscience is coming from
Speaker 1: my heart. You had a love the sweetest Granny's poems
Speaker 1: open like my father's on whole family. You got along.
Speaker 1: I never beat the monther Guys. See, I got wise
Speaker 1: because my mother's eyes and kept my family ties. I'm
Speaker 1: in my brother's life and I ain't even mat at you.
Speaker 1: I just think that this is something that passed dude, girl,
Speaker 1: I'm just showing gratitude, wondering if things happen differently, I'd
Speaker 1: have a different attitude and cruise through the roadblocks like
Speaker 1: brush Hour in Chattanooga. We mapped it out. I'm talking
Speaker 1: longitude and latitude. But we were youngy lost. We never
Speaker 1: had a glue. But now I didn't turn my old
Speaker 1: self and selfless. It's all about me, my family and friends.
Speaker 1: I think I finally know now what love is and
Speaker 1: love is of love is. Um Hey, I just want
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