Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Friday Fun Show Around the
Speaker 1: NFL's guide to Sunday and beyond. Dan Hands is here
Speaker 1: from the Home studio, joining me Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler,
Speaker 1: and the Great Patrick claiban Nice forsome here like it.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't look ready. Well, this sound is not. He's
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Speaker 1: I know he's got multiple duties. I mean the answer,
Speaker 1: there's your answer, Greg, is Claibon ready for the on.
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Speaker 1: that's going a little too far. So if you're alive
Speaker 1: with us right now sending your questions during the show,
Speaker 1: we will hit some of those throughout the episode. But
Speaker 1: let's start yes as we must, because this job isn't
Speaker 1: always fun, Just like rearing children, not always. There's responsibility,
Speaker 1: and talking about the American football game played on Thursday
Speaker 1: is an example. Let's go surveys, good protection, slides, fires,
Speaker 1: broken up in the end zone. Gilmore on Shutton so
Speaker 1: the defensive player of the year a couple of years back,
Speaker 1: and somehow, some way, the Indian Athlist coach who took
Speaker 1: their first lead of the game on that field goal,
Speaker 1: pull out a twelve nine victory. Ah Michael speaks for
Speaker 1: us all on Amazon. The final call on Russell Wilson's
Speaker 1: incompletion in which he missed an open kJ Hamdler try
Speaker 1: to stick it into Courtland Sutton, but Steph Gilmour said no, sir.
Speaker 1: Final score Cults twelve Broncos nine. Overtime win for the
Speaker 1: Cults somehow impossibly engravers, like, are you kidding me? I'm
Speaker 1: trying to win the a FC south over here, and
Speaker 1: I got the Cults picking up these garbage winds to
Speaker 1: stay afloat as they try to figure themselves out. Let's
Speaker 1: get to the Broncos in a BIX. I know, in
Speaker 1: some ways they're the more compelling story, But Pat, let's
Speaker 1: start with the Cults here, because it couldn't be is
Speaker 1: It couldn't be any more ugly on offense, and yet
Speaker 1: they found a way with some help from the quarterback
Speaker 1: on the other side. Of course, Yeah, you go into
Speaker 1: a game without Jonathan Taylor, you're losing offensive lineman Patrick
Speaker 1: Sutan has m p J and absolute incarceration. Uh, there's
Speaker 1: there's just nothing to offer other than some Alec Pierce,
Speaker 1: a lot of Alec Pierce. Matt Ryan was chucking and ducking.
Speaker 1: He had one super weird fade away barely across the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage where it's like like, I don't know, guys,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what we're doing here. Uh.
Speaker 1: There was so much excitement coming into the season and
Speaker 1: now it's like, Matt, are you okay? Like I was
Speaker 1: legitimately word for Can I just say to that Patrick,
Speaker 1: like I know exactly the there you're talking about. And
Speaker 1: that was the one where I think I went to
Speaker 1: Twitter and I said, we gotta get Matt Ryan in
Speaker 1: a broadcast boots that because this feels like it's it's
Speaker 1: setting up for disaster. It was, it was. It barely reached,
Speaker 1: it barely crossed the line of scrimmage, like it was
Speaker 1: almost intentional grounding, and there was there was no reason
Speaker 1: for it. It was like a like a kind of
Speaker 1: like fade away flying kick that was just so awkward
Speaker 1: and uncomfortable. And that's that's how they won the game.
Speaker 1: It was awkward and uncomfortable. They almost turned the ball
Speaker 1: over two times in the game winning drive. But because
Speaker 1: it was just it was not going right. The Broncos
Speaker 1: were hemorrhaging, the hemorhaging defensive players, and Russ was just
Speaker 1: it was a bad Russ game. It was a bad
Speaker 1: Russ game, horrible, arguably the worst game he's ever played
Speaker 1: in his career. And and and that's what happened. You
Speaker 1: should have run the ball and fourth and one um
Speaker 1: because there was so much conversation, It's like, oh, Nathaniel Hacket.
Speaker 1: You you paid the quarterback all this money you gotta
Speaker 1: and so it's like, yeah, okay, so here we're gonna
Speaker 1: throw the ball, Like, just just run the balls fourth
Speaker 1: and one. I think that was absolutely a reaction from
Speaker 1: week one and all the criticism, although Hackett was quick
Speaker 1: to point out after the game, we gave Russell Wells
Speaker 1: and the option to run or past there, and the
Speaker 1: run look, he thought wasn't great despite the fact that
Speaker 1: they ran the ball fantastic their last couple of drives.
Speaker 1: That was what was lost on it. Like Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: hit on a fourth down that they went for the
Speaker 1: drive before before he threw that interception that should have
Speaker 1: won the game, and up until that fourth down, like
Speaker 1: they had to run the ball straight down the field,
Speaker 1: and they had moved the ball down the field there.
Speaker 1: There were so many like unbelievably ugly moments where Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson doesn't see the other receivers. But the game was
Speaker 1: so bad that you're you're talking about here, Dan that
Speaker 1: after the game, even the next day, Frank Reich was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to feel about it, Like you
Speaker 1: just won a game, you're two, two and one, you're
Speaker 1: you know, people are worrying about you getting fired, and
Speaker 1: even Frank Reich is like, I don't know that was
Speaker 1: so bad. I actually don't know how to feel about
Speaker 1: a last second comeback from the jaws of defeat victory
Speaker 1: Like Frank Wrek couldn't even enjoy it. I mean, I thought, Dan,
Speaker 1: you you tweeted this, and I could not agree more
Speaker 1: visually that Frank Reich um, it's probably this season. But
Speaker 1: I thought from the first quarter through overtime aged visually
Speaker 1: about seven years. I mean, he suddenly looked like an
Speaker 1: old man, and I mean Quentin Nelson called it a
Speaker 1: disgusting effort and Matt Ryan talked about how he's just
Speaker 1: simply exhausted after the game. I mean, it's hard. You
Speaker 1: can look at either side and say, I don't know
Speaker 1: which team was more visually on appealing. But there's no
Speaker 1: steaks for the Cults. In my book, what's happening with
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and the Broncos is there's no stakes. Because
Speaker 1: here's the thing I'm saying, like, in general, the Cults,
Speaker 1: I think I've said all along. I think the Cults
Speaker 1: are like a good but not great team. I don't
Speaker 1: even think they're good, So I'm not really concerned about
Speaker 1: their um final destination, but the Broncos experience and that
Speaker 1: there's nothing greater than the cutaways to the fans in
Speaker 1: the stands like last night and every one of these
Speaker 1: games that are just like this is what you sold
Speaker 1: us all offseason, like who's who's at fault here? This
Speaker 1: is like utter dumbness from at the outer reaches, Like
Speaker 1: it's the most unwatchable football product we've seen in years
Speaker 1: in Denver. That's saying something. I think that was one
Speaker 1: of the it's certainly in the conversation for the worst
Speaker 1: primetime game I could remember um and I thought I
Speaker 1: was thinking about it when it was through. And we'll
Speaker 1: get to more of the fans stuff a little bit
Speaker 1: later in the show, but when it was through, you
Speaker 1: got this sense that in terms of Denver's uh, where
Speaker 1: they're at as a team, even when it looked like
Speaker 1: they were gonna win the game, because the cults were
Speaker 1: totally lost on offense, you could tell the Broncos and
Speaker 1: the fans on the sideline no one was happy, but
Speaker 1: it's like, we're gonna win this game, but we're not
Speaker 1: gonna feel any better. About ourselves and there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of questions. And then when Rust throws the
Speaker 1: second pick, which was brutal, and they give up the
Speaker 1: field goal to tie it, and then can't get a
Speaker 1: stop in overtime and then can't match it. That's kind
Speaker 1: of the worst type of loss you could have, because
Speaker 1: there's two types of brutal regular season losses. Let's keep
Speaker 1: out like it knocked out of the playoffs in Week eighteen,
Speaker 1: out of it, But there's the one where you suffered
Speaker 1: some type of catastrophic injury to one of your best players,
Speaker 1: and then you work your way through a game and
Speaker 1: need lose the game on top of it. And then
Speaker 1: there's a game like this where your your head, but
Speaker 1: feelings are terrible and you know there's something broken about
Speaker 1: what's going on here, but you're gonna win and get
Speaker 1: out of it. And then you get caught from behind
Speaker 1: and beating a game like this. And I don't know
Speaker 1: how the Broncos recover from this where they're at right now,
Speaker 1: because the vibes could not be worse around this team,
Speaker 1: the coaching staff and of course the quarterback, who we
Speaker 1: can't I know, it's everyone's piling on Russ right now.
Speaker 1: But when you deliver a performance like that and you
Speaker 1: start the season like this, Patrick, there's no way to
Speaker 1: deny that his failures are a major part of the
Speaker 1: reason the Broncos are one of the biggest bus in football. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: He's a part of it. Nathaniel Hackett's a part of it,
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon's fumbles absolutely a part of it. Uh. The
Speaker 1: defense does not deserve this from the other side of
Speaker 1: the ball, and the coaching staff they have been so good.
Speaker 1: They lost a couple of guys last night. Are Garrett
Speaker 1: Bowls lost last night as well? Card it off and
Speaker 1: so it's it's like both of those bad case scenarios, Dan,
Speaker 1: where you're talking about where you're a head and and
Speaker 1: you somehow eke out of it, but everybody's worried. But
Speaker 1: also you guys get hurt. Also, you losing heartbreaking fashion,
Speaker 1: and it's like, where where are we going here? We're
Speaker 1: committed now to this quarterback, We're committed to this situation.
Speaker 1: How how how do you continue? And all you can
Speaker 1: all you can really say is that the season is long,
Speaker 1: the ball is not round, and a bunch of weird
Speaker 1: stuff can happen and we've just seen it too many times. Right, Uh,
Speaker 1: if you have talent, then you're not out of it.
Speaker 1: And we've seen Russ do this. This is not like
Speaker 1: this is Brian Horrier out here. We've seen Rust be
Speaker 1: a good quarterback, so you can at least harken back
Speaker 1: to that. But what we've seen this season, no, it's
Speaker 1: been awful. It's been bad. We we've never seen him
Speaker 1: at this level. I think he's shown hints of it
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. This is obviously him
Speaker 1: in a new system, but he's been in a lot
Speaker 1: of new systems. I mean, that's the thing is, we've
Speaker 1: tried a million different systems to try to like figure
Speaker 1: out where Russ's weaknesses in terms of throwing over the
Speaker 1: middle and not seeing the whole field can match up
Speaker 1: with his which is obvious strength. And now the weaknesses
Speaker 1: are just like crazy there for everyone to see because
Speaker 1: almost every single one of these third down throws where
Speaker 1: he dumped it off like Alex Smith like at his
Speaker 1: worst when it was like third and thirteen and he's
Speaker 1: throwing at five yards like they almost immediately showed someone
Speaker 1: wide open on the other side of the field and
Speaker 1: Russ just didn't hit hit it. And there were like
Speaker 1: four or five throws that weren't close to anyone that
Speaker 1: were like way out of bounds or we're hitting like
Speaker 1: a huge patch of grass where no one was there.
Speaker 1: The most telling play to me was one where he
Speaker 1: was scrambling around in the red zone forever and it
Speaker 1: was like, oh, here's the the old Russ, Like this
Speaker 1: is kind of a crazy old Russ play. And then
Speaker 1: at the very end of it, he just winged it
Speaker 1: as fast as I as he could and it hit
Speaker 1: the play clock and it just like hit the play
Speaker 1: clock at the back of the ed zone and went
Speaker 1: like clunk, And I was just what is happening here?
Speaker 1: It's um like him and Ryan are two of the
Speaker 1: worst starters in the league right now, and that's just
Speaker 1: I just, even me, as a as a huge Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson skeptic, could not have expected anybody. Could you say?
Speaker 1: The game became sort of beautiful in the sense that
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying like it was fun to watch,
Speaker 1: but no Thursday football game this year has attached itself
Speaker 1: to bigger talking points. At this point, we were watching
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's like entire career changed before our eyes over
Speaker 1: the course of one night, and I'm wondering if you'll
Speaker 1: ever return to what we thought or if this is
Speaker 1: something If you're a broncos fing, you're thinking, we just
Speaker 1: married the wrong person. We just signed up for this
Speaker 1: guaranteed money for a long time, and if it doesn't
Speaker 1: get better, this thing is going to become as ugly
Speaker 1: as any story in the NFL. Might have married two
Speaker 1: of the wrong people, right right, you got rid of
Speaker 1: one of them. I think that's part of this this
Speaker 1: story here, because I I also sense you could definitely
Speaker 1: go down the road of Russ's washed or he's not
Speaker 1: close to the same guy he was anymore anymore. And
Speaker 1: now that the data and the stats, it's starting to
Speaker 1: back it up. So it's like, okay, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: look comfortable in this offense, and I still don't like
Speaker 1: I hated that last play call, even though Handler did
Speaker 1: flash wide open um. It just seems like the whole
Speaker 1: SAM is out of whack. But it's also I think
Speaker 1: to your point, Mark kind of open season. Russ is
Speaker 1: a guy that people and we're not innocent in this,
Speaker 1: Like we've long kind of poked fun at Russ and
Speaker 1: and his public uh, the way he postures and the
Speaker 1: way he presents himself, and sometimes it comes off as inauthentic. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then you have on our own airways on NFL network,
Speaker 1: I want to play, uh, Kyle Brand. This is an
Speaker 1: example of like why this game, as bad as it
Speaker 1: was to watch, is weirdly good for football because it
Speaker 1: brings heat and it brings discussion. I think Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: is one of the least authentic personalities we have in
Speaker 1: this league. I think Russell Wilson is a poser, and
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean he's a bad person. Actually think he's
Speaker 1: a good person. I think he tries to be something
Speaker 1: that he's not. And when you make the tune million dollars,
Speaker 1: you either got to be a really great guy with
Speaker 1: the locker room who loves you, or you've got to
Speaker 1: be an amazing player. And then but he wasn't done.
Speaker 1: He does not like Russell Wilson. Mr. Brand, you know
Speaker 1: I got I worked the NFL Honors, I worked the
Speaker 1: red carpet. Kelsey comes by Rogers comes, Russell Wilson shows
Speaker 1: up with the sunglasses and his wife, and they I
Speaker 1: think they think they're they're jay Z and Beyonce, and
Speaker 1: they will literally put their hand up and say, no,
Speaker 1: we're not talking. Why because you think you're that cool
Speaker 1: and you're that famous and you're that amazing and everything
Speaker 1: is so perfect. That does not work in the locker
Speaker 1: room unless you were really good or really really good.
Speaker 1: Guy Greg, we talked about in London the comparison and
Speaker 1: how it feels similar a rod and Russell Wilson Alex
Speaker 1: Rodriguez in baseball and Russell Wilson in football. There's just
Speaker 1: something about this guy. So a game like that in
Speaker 1: an island game where he sets himself on fire. It
Speaker 1: was kind of the perfect stew for these type of reactions, right.
Speaker 1: But including from their defense. Their defense is bowling out
Speaker 1: there like a top three or four defense. Baron Browning
Speaker 1: had one of the best games any pass rushers had
Speaker 1: all season last night. He had ten pressures in five
Speaker 1: QB hits in twenty one pass rushes. I've never heard
Speaker 1: of such a thing like they were. They have been incredible.
Speaker 1: They That actually gives me some hope for this Broncos
Speaker 1: team because as bad as they've been, they look like
Speaker 1: they have a top four or five defense. Um, but
Speaker 1: we you know, we've been annoying people with Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: takes for a while. Great, Great, I I got you
Speaker 1: guys all upset last year with a take. Let's let's
Speaker 1: listen to it. Justin Graver, Oh, Greg, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not too high on Mac. I mean Russell Wilson right now.
Speaker 1: To me, I don't want to be given up first
Speaker 1: round a ton of first round picks for Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: right now. During the game. I knew, I knew, and
Speaker 1: I wish I had sent this to you guys on Twitter,
Speaker 1: on on text. I knew Greg was going to replay
Speaker 1: a Russell Wilson tirade from last season. I had no
Speaker 1: I didn't even remember. This. Whole idea was do you want?
Speaker 1: But it was it was a legitimate football argument because
Speaker 1: it was the whole idea was would you trade a
Speaker 1: ton of first round picks for Russell Wilson? And I
Speaker 1: said no, I would not trade him for and almost
Speaker 1: any of these first round picks at this point. I
Speaker 1: think he's past that point of his career and I'd
Speaker 1: take Mac Jones over Russell Wilson and you guys, and
Speaker 1: you guys that all my I wouldn't have remembered it,
Speaker 1: but I got a lot of mentioned. Listen, I am
Speaker 1: you are, you're honest season left, You're you're on a
Speaker 1: bit of a heat, or Greggy, and you deserve this
Speaker 1: moment because Geno is balling out. Russell Wilson has sucked.
Speaker 1: So I am not gonna say you shouldn't call that up.
Speaker 1: That's good, good job by you, Greggy. Let's see. But
Speaker 1: like Patrick just said, I want to see where we're
Speaker 1: at at the end of this season. Um, because I
Speaker 1: don't think Russ is this bad. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's washed, but I will say, Nathaniel Hackett and
Speaker 1: we should move on. But my last lot on this
Speaker 1: game and then anybody else that wants a chime in.
Speaker 1: I think he's on a hot seat already. I think
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen a lot. We've talked about this a
Speaker 1: one and done coach. But if this is the way
Speaker 1: this holds, and you have Russ under contract and it
Speaker 1: doesn't work this year, first thing you're gonna do is
Speaker 1: start over on the coaching staff. I would not be
Speaker 1: surprised if that happens, if this stays the course, because
Speaker 1: that would be ugly. Can I say one little thing
Speaker 1: about Kyle bryand NFL honors that Dan you and I
Speaker 1: used to cover that um and it was a chore,
Speaker 1: let's be honest. But the first time I ever did
Speaker 1: it was right after Russell Wilson's first season and I
Speaker 1: waited around for thirty minutes um to to interview him,
Speaker 1: and he couldn't. He It wasn't because of him that
Speaker 1: I waited, It was just the way it went. He
Speaker 1: couldn't have been nicer, kinder, more humble. He was a
Speaker 1: totally different person. So to hear what happened with Kyle
Speaker 1: brandon him, I think that speaks to the change of
Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson experience and what he's done in his
Speaker 1: life since then. I do think it's probably a nice person,
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of artificial substance going on there.
Speaker 1: Or it could have just been an accurate portrayal of
Speaker 1: an event that took place, Like at any point somebody
Speaker 1: could meet me and I could be a certain way
Speaker 1: and they could say, all right, that's that's Patrick Claypon right.
Speaker 1: The the idea that Russ is uniquely disingenuous when it
Speaker 1: comes to NFL quarterbacks, it's kind of weird to me
Speaker 1: because it's not like all of these guys are really
Speaker 1: given us truth about how they feel about a given thing.
Speaker 1: I think the other quarterback on the field being a
Speaker 1: clear example of that last night as well. And it
Speaker 1: kind of drops home the fact that we don't really
Speaker 1: know any of these guys. And in terms of like
Speaker 1: how it works in a locker room, Percy Harvin knocked
Speaker 1: out his teammate and then they went out there and
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. If you execute, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: Like people work with people that they don't like all
Speaker 1: of the time, Like sometimes it just goes south. As
Speaker 1: for why like Sherm and Doug Baldwin and all these
Speaker 1: guys have such vist reolic energy for us when he
Speaker 1: like threw a pick on the goal line, Like why
Speaker 1: it's that intense, I don't really know, because I don't
Speaker 1: know these people. And I think like it's very important
Speaker 1: for all of us to remember that despite the interaction,
Speaker 1: despite the exposure, despite the access that we have, we
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know these people. And I feel like sometimes
Speaker 1: the pendulum swings back a little too hard and we're
Speaker 1: really getting after us when he doesn't have like sexual
Speaker 1: assault accusations. He's not lobbying for people to not take
Speaker 1: a vaccine. He's not doing all these other things. People
Speaker 1: are going like pretty hard on us right now, and
Speaker 1: that is a clay bomb. Everybody get under the table,
Speaker 1: duck for cover, because I'm with you too. I it.
Speaker 1: But there's something about him that just whatever, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: makes him a target. And his game is also divisive,
Speaker 1: and I think it always has been. I think there's
Speaker 1: always been people that thought like that, if you're a
Speaker 1: real football guy and you want quarterbacks to be a
Speaker 1: certain way, like he's had these shortcomings and now they're
Speaker 1: coming out a little more. I did want to just
Speaker 1: support your point on the coach, Dan and point out
Speaker 1: this ownership. If you're supporting my point, then go on. Yes,
Speaker 1: this ownership did not hire Nathaniel Hackett. I think that's
Speaker 1: really important in terms of the timeline. And they did
Speaker 1: give Russell Wilson a somewhat unnecessary contract I would say
Speaker 1: totally unnecessary. He had two years left on his contract
Speaker 1: already making him one of the higher paid quarterbacks in
Speaker 1: the league, and they extended that thing five more years
Speaker 1: at a time that was unnecessary. But the ownership did
Speaker 1: give him that money. They did not hire Nathaniel Hackett.
Speaker 1: So I think that supports your Your Hackett could be
Speaker 1: one and donec GC A good call, all right, before
Speaker 1: we move on? UM, I thought the only true positive
Speaker 1: to come out of Thursday night football was al Michaels,
Speaker 1: who doesn't care, like there's nothing you can do. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many billions of dollars is Amazon worth?
Speaker 1: The bosses in the highest levels of American corporate society.
Speaker 1: There is nothing anybody could tell seventy five year old
Speaker 1: al Michael's on Friday morning. Oh, you've been too critical
Speaker 1: of the game. We want to keep people engaged. Don't
Speaker 1: tell them the product that is bad out don't care? Um,
Speaker 1: So I wanna this is how I'll start with this.
Speaker 1: Here's al Michael's calling the end of first half, field
Speaker 1: go going to break? Well, what do you know? Six three?
Speaker 1: We are back in a half minute. How about how
Speaker 1: about an al Michael's? Uh real? How about that? Al
Speaker 1: Michael's is annoyed? Real type game you you'd like to
Speaker 1: have in the fifth regional one? Yes on some day.
Speaker 1: Let's anyone think we couldn't find highlights? Who did six
Speaker 1: three Denver at the half nine points time for the
Speaker 1: third few is in the first half of the game
Speaker 1: this season third ye forgive me for getting excited here.
Speaker 1: We haven't seen a lot of at I get you
Speaker 1: how I was like, Wow, I was beautiful. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm only half kidding, But sometimes the game can be,
Speaker 1: at least at this point, so bad it's almost good,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. No, okay, you know I'm
Speaker 1: feeling that just I don't care. The game is like
Speaker 1: sort of bad son. It's it's not good. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: good performance by Michael's, bad performance by everybody else connected
Speaker 1: with the game. Hers like what Alison? Alison like this
Speaker 1: great place in his career where you can't you can't
Speaker 1: tell him nothing. Even even Roger Goodell, if he's watching
Speaker 1: that broadcast like last night, I think he is laughing. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, okay. It always goes on about six seconds
Speaker 1: longer than I expect. Uh. It is time to Every
Speaker 1: week week, each of us takes a turn. The flora
Speaker 1: is ours. It is our time to shine in A
Speaker 1: segment has been rechristened in the name of Chris Westling.
Speaker 1: It's about me. It's about me, and I want to
Speaker 1: talk about it's my turn, I want to talk about
Speaker 1: fan entitlement. Um. I grew up in New York as
Speaker 1: the rarest of birds, a fan of the Jets in
Speaker 1: football and the Yankees in baseball. And I have lived
Speaker 1: in opulence and I have lived in squalor as a fan.
Speaker 1: My teen years, which are kind of the most formative
Speaker 1: in sports fandom, featured a nine to two thousand stretch
Speaker 1: where the Yankees won four World Series titles, and that
Speaker 1: up for the Yankees has has slowed considerably this century.
Speaker 1: But I get and I know that I'm entitled, that
Speaker 1: I'm blessed in that realm. The Yankees started another playoff
Speaker 1: run on Tuesday. They haven't losing record since ninet. Then
Speaker 1: there's my Jets fandom, which has included zero Super Bowl
Speaker 1: appearances in forty two years on this planet and counting.
Speaker 1: Uh and that's been the end to my Yankees yang.
Speaker 1: I've lived on both sides of the coin, my friends.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say. And I bring this
Speaker 1: up because the scene at Mile High last night, it
Speaker 1: got on my radar a little bit. Broncos fans are pissed.
Speaker 1: They booed their team after the first drive stalled in
Speaker 1: the red zone. Red zone. Uh that this has been
Speaker 1: a common occurrence really since the beginning of the year.
Speaker 1: The booze only got louder there as Denver stumbled through
Speaker 1: one of the more grotesque offensive performances that we could remember.
Speaker 1: And UM, well maybe the cults was somehow worse on Thursday,
Speaker 1: but you get it, um, And the booing part is
Speaker 1: fine to me. I know that not everyone believes in that, UM,
Speaker 1: but I believe that's within a paying customers right to
Speaker 1: express dissatisfaction where you pay. I've seen amounts of money
Speaker 1: and then the performance doesn't seem to match what you
Speaker 1: paid for what you're expecting. It's sports. But I do
Speaker 1: take issue with the shot by Amazon of the stream,
Speaker 1: the steady stream of Broncos fans exiting the building as
Speaker 1: overtime was set to begin. UM, And I understand they
Speaker 1: had every right to be disgusted by Denver's performance through
Speaker 1: four quarters, but failing on a tie game at the
Speaker 1: coin tosses to me the peak of fan entitlement. And
Speaker 1: just a reminder, this is an organization with eight Super
Speaker 1: Bowl appearances, tied with the Cowboys and Steelers for second
Speaker 1: most all time, only behind the Patriots three Super Bowl wins,
Speaker 1: including a Super Bowl fifty try amp in two thousand sixteen,
Speaker 1: not too long ago. You're the team of John Elway.
Speaker 1: You're the team on the right side of the history
Speaker 1: for the drive and the fumble. You got the temporary
Speaker 1: euphoria of two Tebowmania. You landed Peyton Manning in the
Speaker 1: greatest free agent sweepstakes of all time. Even the Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson trade, as bad as it looks right now, when
Speaker 1: it happened, I can tell you from personal experience that
Speaker 1: the havenots of football felt envy for a Broncos organization
Speaker 1: that always seems to keep itself in the picture. And
Speaker 1: now think about being a fan of the Jets or
Speaker 1: the Browns, or the Commanders or the Chargers, or the
Speaker 1: Texans or the Panthers or the Falcons or the Lions
Speaker 1: or any other team that doesn't have a quarter of
Speaker 1: the history, the glory, the juice of a Broncos fan.
Speaker 1: So flow the team. Go ahead. Sure, they're playing like hell,
Speaker 1: and you paid a lot of money to watch him,
Speaker 1: that's whatever. But walking out on the team in a
Speaker 1: tie game, entering all over time crime a river. You
Speaker 1: should see how the other half lives. So the clapping
Speaker 1: is the sound of the ruler hitting their knuckles or
Speaker 1: get get back in the game. What are you doing
Speaker 1: our our audio listeners really should check this show out
Speaker 1: on YouTube because the stream of the viewer commenters uh
Speaker 1: was was making me laugh and I enjoyed it and
Speaker 1: it adds a lot to the I like Blake Wingo,
Speaker 1: old man yells at cloud whatever, Blake, it's it's old
Speaker 1: man yells at crowd. I like that. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: it's hard, it's a hard over time. That's a tough,
Speaker 1: tough spot. I uh, I'm with you, although I do
Speaker 1: think uh as someone who's lost a little bit of
Speaker 1: juice after seeing their team reached the absolute pinnacle. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, once you've seen the mountains, once you've seen
Speaker 1: the very best, it's like, we'll probably never gonna get
Speaker 1: there again. It's hard to get get the engines reven
Speaker 1: IM with you, Dan, like I you know, I lived
Speaker 1: in Denver for years, and I do think in general,
Speaker 1: the Broncos fans historically have been like a top five
Speaker 1: fan base, um and not ultra annoying, to be honest,
Speaker 1: like I, I just think they're passionate. I kind of
Speaker 1: take a um issue with what I saw last night too,
Speaker 1: as you do. But I kind of think what's happened
Speaker 1: with the broncos um Their games have been so public
Speaker 1: U the crowd reaction from the minute that they started
Speaker 1: counting down the play clock. I mean, all this stuff
Speaker 1: has almost become like a public circus and colosseum to
Speaker 1: go and react to the team this way, And I
Speaker 1: think that you wouldn't have in another game of this nature.
Speaker 1: The crowd shots and the and the camera selection that
Speaker 1: they use from the very beginning, this thing started to
Speaker 1: really stink up the joint. But leaving I'm with you two.
Speaker 1: I think, if you're in overtime, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: How everyone knows? Like I had, I had a friend
Speaker 1: whose dad took his sons to Game six of the
Speaker 1: Mets Red Sox World Series and they left early. And
Speaker 1: that's on you for the rest of your life. So
Speaker 1: you just I'm not saying this this game was a disaster,
Speaker 1: but like you don't fail if you're in the stadium
Speaker 1: in overtime. I'm with you on that. Uh, let's check
Speaker 1: in with the people watching live. Any questions comments, Hit
Speaker 1: it up Grave Digger J Tweeter asked, where does last
Speaker 1: Night rank in the pampion of horrific games? You know, Greg,
Speaker 1: you're very good at this stuff. I know there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of bad ones. Thursday Night has been the
Speaker 1: home of a lot of bad games. Is there one
Speaker 1: that kind of sticks out to you? Is somehow worse
Speaker 1: than this? No, because it didn't cross over into this
Speaker 1: so bad it's good realm, which are the ones I enjoy?
Speaker 1: Like so ugly it's good. I think the fact that
Speaker 1: there's these two like potential Hall of Fame quarterback like
Speaker 1: it made it unfun. It never got to the fun place.
Speaker 1: Even Al said that at one point, like they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just was sad. Like my kids. My kids are
Speaker 1: starting to get into watching sports now. Jack's turned a
Speaker 1: and Harry is five and a half six and he
Speaker 1: just likes what his brother likes. And I actually they
Speaker 1: were a time for their bath. And sometimes I'll tell Emily,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, let him let him watch the end
Speaker 1: of the game, And this case, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: there's not to be gained here from them watching this game.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of a sad, sad game. What
Speaker 1: else have we got? Dan? This is from Greg Scamado. Uh,
Speaker 1: just double g there, Greggy Dan, How early is it
Speaker 1: to call a team more abund are the Panthers? There? Now?
Speaker 1: Usually moribund. It's more a feel. There's no designation, but
Speaker 1: it usually comes in the second half of the season
Speaker 1: when there's no hope. Hope has to be totally lost
Speaker 1: for a team to be more abund On the flagship program,
Speaker 1: Justin Swanson s who's the worst to win team? Uh? Patrick,
Speaker 1: you got this one? Rams, Jets Broncos. Oh that's who?
Speaker 1: Well you got a couple of you got it's Matt
Speaker 1: Stafford hurt right now, I'm a lean Rams like he's
Speaker 1: he was spraying the ball. Uh nothing that that Russell
Speaker 1: spraying the ball? But almost kind of. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: the Jets are are better to win team considering the
Speaker 1: opponents right now. Perhaps, I mean, maybe I'll feel different after,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Cooper Rush the slippers come off a
Speaker 1: little bit. But yeah, I'll go with the Rams right here,
Speaker 1: all right? Jonathan Webster, Greg what's the story behind the
Speaker 1: owl painting behind you? That's a good one to um my.
Speaker 1: My grandfather, Heinz Rosenthal, painted that. I don't know if
Speaker 1: there's much more of a story true than yeah, you
Speaker 1: know he was. He was a painter. And we've got
Speaker 1: many many And the reason why this one's out is
Speaker 1: my daughter loves owls and I've rotated what's you know?
Speaker 1: And so it's been out in the house for the
Speaker 1: last few years. Where's your artwork? You have something going on? Quietly,
Speaker 1: I am not artistically inclined. Unfortunately, I'm a huge disappointment
Speaker 1: in that realm. I tried. I was always terrible. My
Speaker 1: brother's a you know, virtual music streamly talented musician. I
Speaker 1: always wanted that, but it's not in me. It's not
Speaker 1: in me. Absolutely. He was also in a prog rock
Speaker 1: uh ska band, so he has musical talent as well.
Speaker 1: I was also best director one act plays um My
Speaker 1: my freshman year in high school. How about that? There
Speaker 1: you go. Robbie asks question for the heroes. Mark, I
Speaker 1: want you to handle this one. Would you all change
Speaker 1: your preseason playoff predictions at this quarter point through the year. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with I'm gonna stick with what I picked.
Speaker 1: I also don't recall what I picked, so it would
Speaker 1: be in a strange exercise thing, right, I would stick
Speaker 1: with it because for the same reason. I don't want
Speaker 1: to go check, but I'm pretty sure I had the
Speaker 1: Colts and Broncos in the playoffs. Probably change that. I'm
Speaker 1: feeling good I got I got the Eagles over the
Speaker 1: Chiefs and the Super Bowl. I want this thing to
Speaker 1: throw to another clip. Greg in Nugget Junior. In honor
Speaker 1: of last night's game, can we get a quarter season
Speaker 1: pain Pain rankings? Um? I would have to think about
Speaker 1: that one. So no. Next, that's just that's pretty. That's
Speaker 1: off the top of my dome. But thank you Nugget Jr.
Speaker 1: And I like your avatar looks like a nice mustache.
Speaker 1: Avery Boum is Russ the new line on the Dalton Scale. No,
Speaker 1: that's a that's he. He wouldn't be because he's always
Speaker 1: been above it, and now right now I think it's
Speaker 1: fair to say he's well below it for the way
Speaker 1: he's played this year. He's sinking. He's sinking his team.
Speaker 1: So the Dalton scale guy has to be someone who's,
Speaker 1: you know, nice and steady right towards the middle. I
Speaker 1: think Kirk Cousins is settling into Santana Hill. Maybe. Al Right,
Speaker 1: it is time now for the Greg Rosenthal Week five
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Speaker 1: I could I could use that send me a little Accrasher. Uh.
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett looks like he's back. Not on the injury report.
Speaker 1: Jadeveon Clowney, though, is a questionable. Brian Robinson looks like
Speaker 1: he will be playing just about five weeks after getting
Speaker 1: those two gunshots in his leg. He practiced on Friday.
Speaker 1: That will be confirmed later in the week. Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: is starting that game over in London. That's good, but
Speaker 1: he will be without Kenny Golladay, ked Arias, Tony Wandel, Robinson.
Speaker 1: Jay Alexander will be back for the Packers in that game,
Speaker 1: which is great news. I thought he might be out
Speaker 1: a little while. Za Jones is back for the Jaguars
Speaker 1: this week. Kyle Pitts is out, get him out of
Speaker 1: your fantasy lineup. A monros st Brown was back in
Speaker 1: practice Friday, might play for the Lions. Isaiah Mackenzie has
Speaker 1: a concussion still in the protocol. Dawson Knox is out,
Speaker 1: so the Bills are rather shorthanded on both sides of
Speaker 1: the ball, and your lock is looking pretty good. Dan
Speaker 1: No Sam Cosmi. For the Washington Commanders, they're missing three
Speaker 1: starting offensive line and you're also missing John Dotson who's
Speaker 1: out with a hamstring. I like the Titans in that
Speaker 1: game too. I kind of like the move potentially. And
Speaker 1: I Greg, I know when you were in your heyday
Speaker 1: picking games. I think you were someone who liked to
Speaker 1: do this. Find a team that you know sucks, and
Speaker 1: then any time there in the lock zone, you just lock.
Speaker 1: I might just lock against Washington ten times between now
Speaker 1: in January, we'll see. I'll be my fourth time in
Speaker 1: five weeks locking against the Cardinals. So I'm I'm two
Speaker 1: and one so far. We'll see if that works out.
Speaker 1: That's your thing, that's your move. Al Right, before we
Speaker 1: say goodbye, let's do our hero picks are going to
Speaker 1: uh first cycle. Back to last week, Mark you said
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson, what was the prediction of Zack. I really
Speaker 1: was just sort ofgg egging him on to rise up
Speaker 1: to the challenge, be a hero, guide the Jets to
Speaker 1: victory and change the way we think about him. And
Speaker 1: I think he did that. Check the box. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a hard check. That's a hard check. Big old
Speaker 1: green check mark for Cecy Greg you had Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 1: would do well or something along with those lines. I'm
Speaker 1: taking me ul They were three and a half point underdogs.
Speaker 1: They won the game. I thought he played well, I
Speaker 1: mean taking the w. I had Andy Dalton would play
Speaker 1: well in London and then be able to leverage that
Speaker 1: into holding onto the Saints. Job man if will lets
Speaker 1: his field goal goes through the uprights and then they
Speaker 1: win in overtime and then he wins again, maybe, but
Speaker 1: that's not how it played out. And yeah, but two
Speaker 1: good quarters was not my prediction. I predicted a win
Speaker 1: and high level play. So I'll take the l there
Speaker 1: all right? Now Week five predictions before we say goodbye,
Speaker 1: Patrick Clayburn, you're not even a guest to me. You
Speaker 1: are a member of the A T N family, so
Speaker 1: we always like you said, you've almost said it all,
Speaker 1: but you need to share your prediction for Week five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get let's get bold people in this fantasy world.
Speaker 1: We're frustrated about Travis e tims production. He gets in
Speaker 1: the end zone twice to Texas. Two touchdowns for Travis
Speaker 1: e Tia beautiful. I like that um and its result based.
Speaker 1: The Jets are going to beat Miami I ten plus points.
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson is gonna You're all over the gym. This
Speaker 1: is just what I saw this morning. Zach Wilson plus yards,
Speaker 1: four touchdowns and this part two, the Falcons are gonna
Speaker 1: beat the Bucks by ten plus points and not even
Speaker 1: make it look close. All you just made that really
Speaker 1: hard on yourself, but I admire the moxie. Greg Rosenheald, Alright,
Speaker 1: my prediction is just that Travis Kelsey rex shop against
Speaker 1: the Raiders. It's like all these other tight end come
Speaker 1: along lately. So Darren Waller is going to be the future. Oh,
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is going to be the future. Oh, Like,
Speaker 1: here's this guy, this guy who's still the best tight
Speaker 1: end in the freaking NFL. It's Travis Kelsey. He's on
Speaker 1: pace to have one of his very best seasons ever.
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey. Still he's still got the championship. Wait, what
Speaker 1: is that? But because this was Hero the week, he's
Speaker 1: the hero. He's the hero. The sun's gonna rise in
Speaker 1: the east. What does that mean that he's going to
Speaker 1: be How do we decide whether that does he need
Speaker 1: to win the game or what I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: giving Ryan Tannehill from a week ago. That's bs. I
Speaker 1: just checked this PFF score. It's seventy. That's over the
Speaker 1: bar of Like, Yeah, you were pretty darn good. A right,
Speaker 1: I mean, you have so many things going your way, Greg,
Speaker 1: right now, between Geneo and Russ. Like Tony Soprano once said,
Speaker 1: you got to Virginia hams under each arm and your
Speaker 1: crime poverty, I will go with I don't like this one.
Speaker 1: This one's not positive. But the more were the closer
Speaker 1: we get to Sunday, the more I hate the Detroit
Speaker 1: Lions going in New England. I think Bill Belichick, even
Speaker 1: with a compromised offensive situation at quarterback, sees holes all
Speaker 1: over that he could exploit an attack. And I'm predicting
Speaker 1: two hundred plus rushing yards for the Patriots and a
Speaker 1: win that drops the team of a t N into
Speaker 1: moribund territory. Oh, this is the fun show, Dann right
Speaker 1: around in the NFL. It's gonna be fun for Greg
Speaker 1: and all the other Patriots minions. This is um, this
Speaker 1: is Dan's like move. I remember I used to do
Speaker 1: this quite often with teams of around the NFL. He
Speaker 1: would never really get on board, and he would pick
Speaker 1: against them regularly, pump the brakes. I love the lines.
Speaker 1: I did a whole Hard Knocks podcast on them. I
Speaker 1: I really you delitely believe that they were gonna lose
Speaker 1: and not put it out into the universe. On the show,
Speaker 1: you could choose anything. I want to change my prediction now,
Speaker 1: I want to change my prediction now, Jared three touchdowns
Speaker 1: lins good? You know what I'll trade that. I'd rather
Speaker 1: be wrong than right. But I'm just saying it's just
Speaker 1: the feeling. It's in the air, and I don't love it.
Speaker 1: I do love everyone that came and join us on
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Speaker 1: following along with everything we do. Next time you see
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Speaker 1: and I on game debut to Friday afternoon, we'll be
Speaker 1: picking some games the way people are saying, Greg on
Speaker 1: your Kelsey prediction, you did not hang on into you
Speaker 1: hung shallots. So I don't you know, take that into
Speaker 1: your weekend. Well, I'm over four, so I need I
Speaker 1: need something tiny gonds until Sunday heat. The call