Speaker 1: Wait that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club morning.
Speaker 1: Everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee, Charlemagne the guy. We
Speaker 1: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest and
Speaker 1: special guests in the building this morning. Sir, you had
Speaker 1: a brother, g Herbo hair, what's up? Brother? And when
Speaker 1: you got with you Herbo, I got drenched, man, my
Speaker 1: blood cousin. Man, what's going on? Feeling good? I'm good, bro?
Speaker 1: First of all, happy birthday. And it's crazy because I
Speaker 1: thought I had I thought I listened to Survivor's Remorse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then a whole other goddamn I had the thing up
Speaker 1: there I went and changing that fast. Yeah. Man, oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Man, I'm just happy to be here. Bro.
Speaker 1: I'm blessed, you know, to be able to put this
Speaker 1: project out. But it's it's more than just an album,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I really I feel it,
Speaker 1: like I just I feel the universe and the energy
Speaker 1: like around it. Like I really feel like it's a
Speaker 1: moment of triumph for me when I wasn't even trying
Speaker 1: to celebrate it, you know what I'm saying. Like I
Speaker 1: went through so much recording this project and just so
Speaker 1: much in life, growing as a man. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and and and this album is a complete reflection,
Speaker 1: a complete testament of who I am and have grown
Speaker 1: as a man. You know what I'm saying. And I
Speaker 1: feel it, you know, uh, paying off for me, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that I'm just trying to just
Speaker 1: just ride the wave of that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It ain't about music or the Internet or numbers and analytics.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to ride the wave of feeling good.
Speaker 1: You know. You said one part of survival, one part
Speaker 1: is remorse. So it makes me wondering, like how do
Speaker 1: you celebrate your wins while while still being haunted by
Speaker 1: like that Trump. It's hard to do it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because and I've always been that type
Speaker 1: of guy, you know what I'm like early and it's
Speaker 1: messed up to even feel like that. I have to
Speaker 1: think like that man growing up. I started doing music
Speaker 1: when I was sixteen years old. You know what, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I started making money at sixteen year take. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, Um, I wasn't able to you know,
Speaker 1: grow into or just reach my full potential because I'm
Speaker 1: always worried about what somebody else think or you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, what somebody else don't have, or what
Speaker 1: I can't provde for somebody else. Because I've always just
Speaker 1: been a person with a big heart. It's not like
Speaker 1: that I had to do these things. I always wanted
Speaker 1: to just look out for everybody around me, and I couldn't.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That that's what survivals more
Speaker 1: see it is ten years later, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm trying to say, Cholo, man, I've
Speaker 1: never really been able to like celebrate my wins for real,
Speaker 1: And and that's probably why I'm so humble, because I
Speaker 1: don't live in a moment. I don't live in a
Speaker 1: certain thing. I don't pat myself on the back. I
Speaker 1: just try to get batter and like all right, it's cool,
Speaker 1: it's cool. Um now I'm able to do it because
Speaker 1: it's like now, it's like it ain't even it's this
Speaker 1: is what I gotta do. Like now, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to turn my life into a routine for real. Like
Speaker 1: you don't mean just about because you know we are
Speaker 1: getting lost in it. This ship, it's so much fun
Speaker 1: doing we're doing. We're young, were able to like party,
Speaker 1: do shows, club, do all this stuff every night. But
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's like it's a routine.
Speaker 1: I hit so much fun less. I hate to get
Speaker 1: up and be here right now. What I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: I can't really I gotta just make sure my life
Speaker 1: is on point everywhere or you know what I'm It'd
Speaker 1: be hard to explain, you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: it's like I can't get excited about none of this,
Speaker 1: you know, because I know where to get taken away.
Speaker 1: I know at the end of the day, I gotta
Speaker 1: be serious about everything I'm doing. You feel me, And
Speaker 1: it's hard trying to balance that. That's really like all
Speaker 1: in all its savals and mores. I can't even really
Speaker 1: have fun doing something that's really fun to me my life.
Speaker 1: I'm blessed. I'm supposed to be having fun every day,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But I gotta balance it, like, no,
Speaker 1: it ain't fun. Yeah, I was tripping up if you
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying now, I get it. I was
Speaker 1: tripping off the song change because you know you talk
Speaker 1: about like your PTSD in regards to I guess the
Speaker 1: gun violence you saw that youth, but how it still
Speaker 1: impacts you as an adult, getting your calls bulletproof because
Speaker 1: you're afraid for your kids. Like I'm taking Lord that
Speaker 1: merchant now for real. When I first played that song, Tan,
Speaker 1: it was like whoa, But the reality of it is real, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, I believe in God, I'm cool. I'll be
Speaker 1: feeling like I'm good and a lot of sense. It's
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, but I'm good by any means.
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna do whatever necessary for me to
Speaker 1: get home, and that's making sure I am secure, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. All that, But I think about
Speaker 1: that type of stuff, like and I don't even want
Speaker 1: to feel like I'll be having like wicked thoughts or
Speaker 1: dark thoughts and nothing like that. But I really think
Speaker 1: about when I got my kids, somebody will trying to
Speaker 1: hurt me or what if this happened, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I hate to think like that, but
Speaker 1: I got to because that's how I just make sure
Speaker 1: that everybody's safe. You also talk about in one of
Speaker 1: your songs, you know you're bigger than a lot of
Speaker 1: artists that have bigger records than you, that are supposed
Speaker 1: to be bigger hits. You have more fans, you have
Speaker 1: more money. Do you feel like a lot of times
Speaker 1: people don't necessarily what's the word I'm looking for, respect
Speaker 1: you as you should be because of the groundwork that
Speaker 1: you put in, the fact that you have a huge
Speaker 1: fan base, you sell out all these conscious but you
Speaker 1: don't have a number one record. Yeah, and it's crazy, bro,
Speaker 1: And I don't really take it personally, but I know it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and I know this. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a popularity contest. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It it it ain't real. And it's like that don't mean
Speaker 1: I don't respect it. I respect the game, love what
Speaker 1: I do. You know, I love the industry. But you
Speaker 1: gotta understand, I know the industry don't love me back.
Speaker 1: And that's cool. I feel like, not even the industry
Speaker 1: don't love me back. I take that back. I take
Speaker 1: that back. It's the industry is you can't take nothing personal.
Speaker 1: You just gotta take the good with the bad, take
Speaker 1: the punches and thud. Because what I mean by the
Speaker 1: industry don't love me back is I know this industry
Speaker 1: eat me a lot, It'll swallow me whole. One bad thing,
Speaker 1: woman stake anything I do just being a human being.
Speaker 1: I'm not perfect, so me just being myself growing. I
Speaker 1: might make one mistake that just people don't like and
Speaker 1: you would think it's over what you would feel like
Speaker 1: it if you take it personally or you let your
Speaker 1: emotions or anything getting the way. And that's what like
Speaker 1: have to do with like a hit record or I
Speaker 1: don't people. I got fans, so I don't know what's
Speaker 1: the hit record or not. I'm just saying, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, the numbers never made me and
Speaker 1: never I never had to get hell off of having
Speaker 1: a hit record or you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: always felt like my lifestyle was bigger than my music
Speaker 1: for a lot. You know, a lot of times I
Speaker 1: was saying, that's why I just try to be solid.
Speaker 1: Just stay a solid, dude, because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, if you just be solid, it don't matter
Speaker 1: what hiccups come with the game or how long it
Speaker 1: take you to grow. You know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 1: twenty seven. It feel like I'm in doing this for
Speaker 1: so long because it's been ten years. But I was
Speaker 1: a kid. I ain't do nothing but just turned into
Speaker 1: a man and everybody ass you feel me. So it's
Speaker 1: like to me, it went like this, but at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it took so long. So that's
Speaker 1: what I mean by like the industry don't love me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, because I know the world
Speaker 1: ain't feeling and I'm cool with that if it makes
Speaker 1: you feel better. Radio, I don't know what the hit
Speaker 1: record is that he and that's the beauty of it
Speaker 1: now though, you know what I'm saying, Like we don't
Speaker 1: even we could just I feel like and that's it's
Speaker 1: It's perfect. I could just win off of being me,
Speaker 1: you know. And I learned that though, like I had
Speaker 1: to grow into that, Like it's cool you could just
Speaker 1: be yourself now and like people are gonna rock with
Speaker 1: you for just being you. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it took this. I didn't done what this one
Speaker 1: third time doing the breakfast club learn the fourth time.
Speaker 1: I know what I'm saying. But every I could see
Speaker 1: y'all whatever, we could be at the grocery store and
Speaker 1: y'all gonna stop to be like me. Rocke Herd you know,
Speaker 1: we could have a ten fifteen commenting conversation just wherever
Speaker 1: we see each other. Y'all. Don't do that with everybody.
Speaker 1: Definitely not my relationship. I know every time I stopped,
Speaker 1: we gave each other hugs wherever we at. You feel me,
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't feel like everybody. And that's what's
Speaker 1: gonna keep you like, That's what it's gonna give you
Speaker 1: longevity in this industry. It ain't about the music, It's
Speaker 1: about just building. How did you end up at republic
Speaker 1: because you know that's a newer situation for you, So
Speaker 1: what made you decide to do that? Down? I love
Speaker 1: republic Um. I love republic you know, shouts out to
Speaker 1: everybody a republic Um. And for me, it had always
Speaker 1: been about partnerships anyway, you know um, And I always
Speaker 1: you know, I always felt like Republicans like the top
Speaker 1: label in the industry anyway, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: when it comes to like partnerships, I've been independent the
Speaker 1: whole time. I own everything, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's that's the thing. It's like you gotta understand with
Speaker 1: dealing with other companies and other you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying labels, you're gonna have to be in in a
Speaker 1: little bit, you know. And it ain't they don't have
Speaker 1: to do it like money or anything like that. It's
Speaker 1: about I had to follow their structure. They made me
Speaker 1: push my album back. I was upset. I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: I was mad. I ain't made me push my album
Speaker 1: back before me. But what what's the reason for what
Speaker 1: it was? The reason they tell you to put you
Speaker 1: I was back now there because they they they so
Speaker 1: they tell me they want to get me the full
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Look, well I could just
Speaker 1: have I could I could capitalize off of everything that
Speaker 1: they could do for me. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll put I'm gonna put We're gonna put
Speaker 1: the fuel on it. We're gonna do this. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do that, you know. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: me betting on myself. I always feel like, these was
Speaker 1: my plans. This is what I want to do. ABC.
Speaker 1: I want to these one I want to drop how
Speaker 1: I want to drop it, These videos I want to do,
Speaker 1: these media outlets, these platforms. I already have my roll
Speaker 1: out in my head two months before I even drop
Speaker 1: before I'm saying. But with having that and then they
Speaker 1: tell you all right, now I'll do it this way,
Speaker 1: you gotta still just swallow and be like, all right,
Speaker 1: it's cool, we're gonna work together. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It strategic. I don't mind doing that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And that's what I like about Republic. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, in strategic, everything they go that's for you.
Speaker 1: I don't. That's what it is, you know. And I
Speaker 1: learned that like being stubborn working with other people, like Noah,
Speaker 1: you don't want to do this. You think somebody not
Speaker 1: really but leaving in you. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, they really yeah, you know, and they just
Speaker 1: want you to listen. And I learned that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, just having people around me just like
Speaker 1: no I bet you could just rock out a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, get them a little bit. You feel me. No,
Speaker 1: But being on the other side, you understand more. You
Speaker 1: understand like they might be traffic, it might be an
Speaker 1: artist might be traffic. We know you can get a
Speaker 1: number one record, so you can hit this. So let's
Speaker 1: just wait a week with there's no traffic. But there's
Speaker 1: nobody in your way, but we're an artist. You'd be
Speaker 1: mad certain days to be special to you. Like, No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't even about dropping on my birthday. I wanted
Speaker 1: to drop for my birthday, you feel me, like, And
Speaker 1: it's so crazy, I ain't even I didn't even care
Speaker 1: about celebrating my birthday. I just wanted my album to
Speaker 1: be out, you feel me so I still you know,
Speaker 1: I listened to him when they told him to push
Speaker 1: it back in it It all worked out for me.
Speaker 1: Wasn't juice ary public juice that was gonna ask you
Speaker 1: know you had two kids, and I've been seeing your
Speaker 1: video of your of your kids beating you up. Yes right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you know how has that changed you? Uh?
Speaker 1: That's my always say, like my happiest, the happiest I'm
Speaker 1: ever being, just hanging with my kids, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, especially when I got all three of them
Speaker 1: in the house together. Man, It's it's perfect, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And your sign the only thing you
Speaker 1: know I'm thinking as I'm walking here for real, Like,
Speaker 1: and I knew y'all was gonna ask me something about
Speaker 1: my kids and the main the reason why I go
Speaker 1: so hard and why it's so important, because the town
Speaker 1: that I spent away from my kids gotta mean something. Mane,
Speaker 1: I'm really sacrificing time away from my kids, not seeing
Speaker 1: them for this, you feel me. So it gotta mean something.
Speaker 1: It gotta it gotta work, you know. It gotta work
Speaker 1: for me, It gotta work for them because that's the
Speaker 1: foundation that I'm laying. You found saying it, and my
Speaker 1: kids don't know they did dyg Herbo for real, Like
Speaker 1: he'll sign no because everybody, you know, we'll be walking
Speaker 1: or in the airport or something. People would be like, hey, yo,
Speaker 1: sign hey like he figh, he don't really understand. He
Speaker 1: asked me now like daddy and my face you know,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, I want to tell them now,
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, it's different man, Like just having them
Speaker 1: around other kids and stuff. You know, they treat them
Speaker 1: like a celebrity. But it's like I'm saying that to say,
Speaker 1: like I want all my kids to have foundation balance.
Speaker 1: You feel me, So it got to mean something. Me
Speaker 1: moving fast, I'll be on the road so much and
Speaker 1: worry about money and you you don't even you don't
Speaker 1: even realize you're really raising your kids a certain way.
Speaker 1: You I'm saying, like, I don't want my kid to
Speaker 1: write grow up how I grew up, for one, But
Speaker 1: I don't want them to grow up just like an
Speaker 1: industry kid, or like, you know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: want my kid to grow up regular man. I want
Speaker 1: him to just have his innocence. You feel me that
Speaker 1: charismatic and freedom to just beat them all my kids,
Speaker 1: you feel I'm saying. And that's important. So and I
Speaker 1: always used to say that I gotta go hard while
Speaker 1: I could have to freedom to take a yell for real,
Speaker 1: like a real year, to just travel and be with
Speaker 1: my family. You know what I'm saying, Like, I've always
Speaker 1: been wanted to be that type of artist to have that,
Speaker 1: because I feel like I ain't gonna be able to
Speaker 1: raise my kids right if I'm just focused on Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm on the album too, understand that. How did he react?
Speaker 1: He was He called me on Facetown, but he called
Speaker 1: me first. He's like, Daddy, it's your birthday. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's my birthday. He said I didn't miss it, saying no,
Speaker 1: he I was so scared I was gonna miss your
Speaker 1: Birthday and just dropped. Your Birthday just dropped. When he's
Speaker 1: talking about the album Your Birthday just came out and
Speaker 1: he was um he listening to the song. He was
Speaker 1: listening to um pocking me on the um on the TV.
Speaker 1: And he turned around, like it's just crazy that he
Speaker 1: really understand it. You know what I'm saying, Like he's
Speaker 1: seeing and not he a fan of the music. For
Speaker 1: him just listen to my music. You feel he just
Speaker 1: fan of music and the culture. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But I gotta that's like I noticed that, and that's
Speaker 1: why on what my kids, I just let him how
Speaker 1: I grew up. That's why I'm so smart that I
Speaker 1: was exposed to so much. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: you gotta still expose your kids two things so we
Speaker 1: could learn. Like I feel like that's knowledge that my
Speaker 1: son growing and I'm just being able to like polish
Speaker 1: it all up just about talking to him. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with all my kids, you feel
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And that's how they're gonna have to structure
Speaker 1: that foundation because that's how I got my parents, was
Speaker 1: just honest with brutally on it. We saw you in
Speaker 1: a Protective father mod. When was that when you was
Speaker 1: out with your child and somebody who Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: being a little too pushy. Yeah yeah, the crew league.
Speaker 1: The crew League. I just trying to like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm cool, I'm friendly you, I'm saying, but I would
Speaker 1: just be trying to like it ain't really that, you know,
Speaker 1: because a lot of times people be trying to go viral,
Speaker 1: and I was stopping it right then because head had
Speaker 1: been something that would have offended me, it would have
Speaker 1: went all the way to a whole other level. So
Speaker 1: I people thought I was I was joking, but I wasn't. Really,
Speaker 1: I wasn't Madden, and I was just showing them like,
Speaker 1: don't play your feel I'm saying, like, especially when you
Speaker 1: with your kids. We can't even play well with nobody
Speaker 1: that I care about, especially my kids. So I just
Speaker 1: wanted to just let like just draw that land right there. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 1: you talked about wanting to maybe take a year off
Speaker 1: if you felt like it and be able to take
Speaker 1: a break. But last year, I know you went through
Speaker 1: a lot. So how was it for you to be
Speaker 1: able to get back to work and how did you
Speaker 1: deal during that time, it was a lot. I ain't lie,
Speaker 1: and I went to a real slump. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I wouldn't even I would say it was depression.
Speaker 1: But you know, like I like what were saying another day,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't call it the pressure. We had a thing
Speaker 1: that you know, it's cool, like all right, it's just
Speaker 1: a tough patch of my life. But really being the
Speaker 1: press start when I when myler brother died, I went
Speaker 1: literally like out of the whole year. I probably out
Speaker 1: of a year. I don't even think I had a
Speaker 1: whole month. So but like I'm in total days like
Speaker 1: I was drinking. Literally every day I wake up drinking.
Speaker 1: I'm drinking going to work during interviews. And it's not
Speaker 1: like I ain't never really besides having fun and nobody
Speaker 1: never see me at any like oh heard was drunk. Yeah, alcohol,
Speaker 1: he can't work. I was stugging through it. I just
Speaker 1: went through it, you know what I'm saying. And it
Speaker 1: was hard. It's tough to you know, go through that
Speaker 1: in and and be honest with it. Was I'm knowing
Speaker 1: every day like man, I'm drinking too much. You feel,
Speaker 1: you know how they feel to be like I'm drinking,
Speaker 1: you feeling like you're an alcoholic. What you're still drinking
Speaker 1: just because you want to be able to get through
Speaker 1: the day, you know what I'm saying. And it was tough,
Speaker 1: you know, And I got discipline at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. And that's crazy. I got a discipline. I
Speaker 1: have addictive personality where I could snap out of something
Speaker 1: so quick and snap in so quickly. What I'm saying
Speaker 1: when I'm when I want to do something, it's cool.
Speaker 1: Can't nobody tell me that? My girl, my MoMA and everybody.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm just drinking, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: because I was depressed and I felt like I had
Speaker 1: to go through it a certain way on my own family,
Speaker 1: even though I got everybody around me trying to help
Speaker 1: me and push me through this. You know how I
Speaker 1: go when you're stubborn. You feel I'm saying it, can't nobody.
Speaker 1: I don't have to listen to nobody. You feel. I
Speaker 1: got my own money, my own crib, my own cause
Speaker 1: I'm just doing what I want to do. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's taken away so much.
Speaker 1: You feemilar My daughter was and we joke about it now.
Speaker 1: When my daughter was born. But I was I was
Speaker 1: drunk in the delivery room, sleep drunk because I'm excited,
Speaker 1: I'm nervous, but it's just life going at me. So
Speaker 1: I really went into a real depression when my little
Speaker 1: brother got killed. Feemilar How'd you get out of it? Though? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm still in it, but like I said, I just
Speaker 1: snap out because I know, I'm like, man, I can't
Speaker 1: keep drinking like this. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: can't keep I just gotta snap out of it, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy. As soon as my daughter was born,
Speaker 1: I started to get a little more discipline. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's a little more and that's all
Speaker 1: you need, just a little more to just be better
Speaker 1: tomorrow than you was. You feel I'm saying the day before.
Speaker 1: I'm still battling with it for show, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I'm not. I'm cool, you feeling. You
Speaker 1: had two sons first, and so how it's having a
Speaker 1: daughter different now? It's so different. Like and I'll be saying,
Speaker 1: I'll be joking a lot. It's like I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm scared of my daughters. You only four months I
Speaker 1: got four of them, so it's only gonna get worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like soon as our head. It was just everything
Speaker 1: about it so delicate. You know you're afraid with my sons.
Speaker 1: I just it's cool. I'm afraid to hold a certain ways.
Speaker 1: Soon she started crying. I'm skiing, h fix it. I
Speaker 1: just don't want you to cry. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's crazy that just know, Like that's how I know
Speaker 1: our relationship gonna be. You found saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: I having kids, they personalite like developed instantly. I already
Speaker 1: know how my kids gonna act right now, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So well, her having a daughter's like
Speaker 1: I just want to do whatever she needs feeling me
Speaker 1: like whatever she wants me to do, I'm gonna do it,
Speaker 1: you know. And I could I could just tell just
Speaker 1: by the relationship that we got already. She's sassy, Like
Speaker 1: she worse than our mama. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like she's super sick. She gonna control them, right, I
Speaker 1: can't wait. I just want to do whatever she tells me.
Speaker 1: Why why was it important for you to like start
Speaker 1: showing the world your scars and your trump? Um? You know,
Speaker 1: it was important for me because I felt like I
Speaker 1: was helping other people that's like me, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And that's like that's a fault too. You know,
Speaker 1: that's one of my flaws because I actually want people
Speaker 1: to think like me. You know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: people don't really like safe For instance, I was an
Speaker 1: og where I come from. When nobody really giving me
Speaker 1: the souls and pouring all the knowledge and everything that
Speaker 1: they have in the me for me to be better
Speaker 1: than them. I really want everybody around me to be better.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they think I'm tweaking, like you preaching to me,
Speaker 1: you want me to do this, or you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: you don't even want to open up and tell people
Speaker 1: because they and it hurts you, like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: give you the game. I'm trying to give you the South.
Speaker 1: You feel me like that's something that's always been important
Speaker 1: to me, you know what I'm saying, like, and I'll
Speaker 1: be trying to get into the groove of just like
Speaker 1: being regular you feemulate and I don't know how to.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to like not be myself. You
Speaker 1: feel like that's the thing with being an artist, being
Speaker 1: a rapper that they think that we were perfect for real,
Speaker 1: and we posted like oh yeah, herd post to pop
Speaker 1: out the air day and be this way. He supposed
Speaker 1: to have a hunder niggas when he posted out all
Speaker 1: this jury on he posted how this he supposed to
Speaker 1: be this? You know what I'm saying it music, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to be myself, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I don't really go on a studio and be
Speaker 1: like I need to make a song to make me
Speaker 1: turn up, or I need to look good for my fans,
Speaker 1: or you know, I'm just trying to just get through
Speaker 1: the day for real, you know what I'm saying it.
Speaker 1: And that's why it's easy for me to just open
Speaker 1: up and be vulnerable with my music. Sometimes I don't
Speaker 1: even wanting to you feel me because I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't take none personal. People take it personal. Like sometimes
Speaker 1: my music, I might be talking about something that I
Speaker 1: went through with my mom. My mom ain't gonna get
Speaker 1: offended that I said something that you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like other people might get offended about something you're saying.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it's a form
Speaker 1: of therapy for me, I go to the studio and
Speaker 1: sometimes I know the song ain't even gonna come out,
Speaker 1: but I just want to get it off my chest.
Speaker 1: I just be wanting to say certain things, you know,
Speaker 1: And I know with me, with me doing that, people
Speaker 1: who look up to me, like, all right, they get it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. They they get it. Like
Speaker 1: all I heard he going through this or he talking
Speaker 1: about this this way, and like um were just at
Speaker 1: the minimum people And Anthony Hamilton said, like everybody don't
Speaker 1: got the same story, but we relate in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways. We go through the same things, you feel
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So that's why I'll be trying to do
Speaker 1: it because I know if I just let it all
Speaker 1: out there, it's gonna help somebody in some type of ways.
Speaker 1: Some they're gonna relate to it. Fam me, it ain't
Speaker 1: even about me bro problems. I don't be trying to
Speaker 1: make music to make nobody look at me or think
Speaker 1: about me a certain way. I'll just be trying to
Speaker 1: get it out to not only help myself because it
Speaker 1: helped me. H. I promise, Like after I dropped my
Speaker 1: album and I don't even I ain't I ain't even
Speaker 1: want to say this. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: it's just like the music, it's different. I didn't put
Speaker 1: so much into it. But when of the first a
Speaker 1: sad Drop, it was just me and Nick in the studio,
Speaker 1: me and my engineer, and I cried tears because it
Speaker 1: ain't about the music. It's like, no, I really hear
Speaker 1: I did something I'm saying. I completed something that I
Speaker 1: was trying to complete while I was going through a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. You feel me like, that's what it
Speaker 1: was important for me. That's why I'm gonna talk about
Speaker 1: it through my music because I want people to know
Speaker 1: like I'm human and you shouldn't. Man. You know, it's
Speaker 1: so interesting. It's like you know, you were at the
Speaker 1: Mental Effects for this weekend. I thank you for you know,
Speaker 1: pulling up. Because when you see those young people in
Speaker 1: the audience, it's one thing to hear me talking about
Speaker 1: things or hear all of those like you know, psychiatrists
Speaker 1: and therapists talking about things. But when they see g
Speaker 1: Herbal twenty something years old, successful rapper, just bearing it
Speaker 1: all and letting peop we know, like yo, you go
Speaker 1: through things too, that makes them want to get on
Speaker 1: their healing journey super early and make you want to
Speaker 1: turn up. I can't be sitting him, just the pressure
Speaker 1: drowning in my thoughts. You know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: I'm smoking it away, drinking it feel me because it's
Speaker 1: easy to do that. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it's even better when you just like you take that
Speaker 1: in turn and fuel and get on your grind and
Speaker 1: make you like appreciate the pain and make you appreciate
Speaker 1: the journey and what you've been through. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's why we wanted to do it. And
Speaker 1: you have the nonprofit too, right, Yeah, swing through all right?
Speaker 1: So what's going on with that? Yeah? Super important, swarming
Speaker 1: through stress. I partner with my homie McKinley projects Switch
Speaker 1: Back in Chicago, where you know it's project switch started
Speaker 1: with um my homie. Heat is like basketball heat and
Speaker 1: the and the trenches, like the end of the city,
Speaker 1: the dangelous neighborhoods. He got real basketball programs where kids
Speaker 1: able to go like tournaments like whatever. You feel like
Speaker 1: he's so turned with it. Obama just called his phone
Speaker 1: like it's a whole different But I'm saying that to say,
Speaker 1: like our partner with bro sworying through stress. For me,
Speaker 1: it started, I was it was supposed to be like
Speaker 1: a mental health hotline. You know. We just started to
Speaker 1: get a number to like one hundred kids, one hundred
Speaker 1: fifty kids. But when we launched it, it probably was
Speaker 1: like what like five ten thousand people sat there for instantly,
Speaker 1: so I knew, like, all right, it's it's for real.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We got the facility, We
Speaker 1: own the facility back at home, and we're about to
Speaker 1: really have like therapists that are like five days a week.
Speaker 1: You found I'm saying like arts, engineering, videoography, trade swarting
Speaker 1: through stresses, being able to navigate, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: through life, and we're giving you the tools to be
Speaker 1: able to do that, you know what I'm saying. Because
Speaker 1: we're not saying it's gonna be easy life. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be hard. It's gonna be tough, but at least we're
Speaker 1: gonna give you the resources to be able to you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, take it and build something from it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's hard when you're going
Speaker 1: through stuff and you don't have no opportunity. You know,
Speaker 1: when it's tough, when you in the in the streets,
Speaker 1: you an't got no food, no, no, I know nothing.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like it's hard when you
Speaker 1: had that NDN, you have nothing to look forward to.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get y'all something to look forward to. You
Speaker 1: feel me. I'm gonna do my all to brain resources
Speaker 1: back to you know what I'm saying. To Chicago, you
Speaker 1: feel me? And Um, how early on did you arrive
Speaker 1: at the place where you wanted to start your healing process? Probably,
Speaker 1: like I think I really started for real, probably around
Speaker 1: like when my son was first born, when your son
Speaker 1: was born, like twentyeen, I was going through someone. I
Speaker 1: was fighting case in Chicago, you know, And that was
Speaker 1: like COVID for me for real. When I was fighting
Speaker 1: that guncase in Chicago, I couldn't move, I couldn't travel.
Speaker 1: I didn't do no shows for a year, like nothing.
Speaker 1: And behind the scenes, it was real, real stressful, and
Speaker 1: nobody really know nothing that I was going through, Like
Speaker 1: right before COVID hit. As soon as I beat the
Speaker 1: case and I was able to travel, I probably was
Speaker 1: able to do shows for like two or three months
Speaker 1: in COVID hit and it was like really out there
Speaker 1: that did like two years without happen. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, muck your money up? Yeah, a lot money
Speaker 1: paying for lawyers, man, I was paying for everything. I'm
Speaker 1: still my lifestyle in the downgrade. I just wasn't making
Speaker 1: a lot of money. You feel, mem did you have
Speaker 1: good savers or something like? I was definitely saying. My
Speaker 1: mom was still making and that's the create residual. So
Speaker 1: I've always been making money, but I never I wasn't
Speaker 1: making show money. I wouldn't making accillary money when I
Speaker 1: was always making residual money, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, it was still
Speaker 1: tough because I still got to pay employees. I gotta
Speaker 1: still pay my bills, I still got to pay security.
Speaker 1: To be saved, I'm still doing all the things necessary
Speaker 1: to remain Gie Herbert while I'm under the behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: I'm going through so much. My fans didn't know. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do no shows. My fans didn't know. I couldn't
Speaker 1: see them nothing. I didn't do a show for it, y'all.
Speaker 1: Couldn't leave Chicago. I was stretched out, you know how
Speaker 1: that it me being gi Herbo stuck in Chicago for Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was stressful. Bro. It was like a dark cloud
Speaker 1: over me. Bro. I didn't want to be there at all,
Speaker 1: but I had to befo I'm saying, and I went
Speaker 1: through it though it was cool. You feel like me
Speaker 1: and my girl was at the worst like we was.
Speaker 1: I was so mad. I was depressed. I couldn't do
Speaker 1: nothing but just be stuck in Chicago. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: saying it. That was tough, but I'm saying that to
Speaker 1: say and I'm glad people could hit me saying that
Speaker 1: because it's always light at the end of the tunnel,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and being you would just
Speaker 1: get it'll make you mad at going to a slump
Speaker 1: like you feel me. A lot of people can't really
Speaker 1: survive going through a whole year not seeing your fans
Speaker 1: doing those shows or dropping on music. I want to
Speaker 1: dropping music either, really two years now, Yeah, we're breaking
Speaker 1: down like that because you said right after you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and that just it really just built character.
Speaker 1: I was like my discipline was on a whole nother
Speaker 1: level after that, and I knew like I could just
Speaker 1: lock in like whatever I want to whenever I really
Speaker 1: want to lock in and do something. That's why it's
Speaker 1: easy for me to like, I ain't even gonna say easy,
Speaker 1: It's just I'm able to. I'm able to stop drinking
Speaker 1: when I won't stop smoking, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Even when I going to these slumps and you know,
Speaker 1: just be mentally in my thoughts, I could snap out
Speaker 1: of it right there, because was you able to record
Speaker 1: during all that time? That's all I was doing was recording.
Speaker 1: That's all I was doing, was recording music. And I
Speaker 1: just came over that's wet. Yeah, That's all I was
Speaker 1: doing was recording music that whole time. Literally some of them,
Speaker 1: some of them songs are recorded then, like Steve songs
Speaker 1: that I'm putting out to this date. For real, You
Speaker 1: think that people don't respect the Chicago music scene the
Speaker 1: way that they should. You know, I was. I was
Speaker 1: just at that Chella's birthday party, my girl Chella, and
Speaker 1: I've seen Sasha Gohard was there, Katie got Bands, you
Speaker 1: know you was there. Um, But you guys have a
Speaker 1: lot of great artists. But Charlemagne, you guys can have
Speaker 1: this discussion about the whole chief key thing that went viral,
Speaker 1: And so what are your thoughts on that you think
Speaker 1: people aren't giving you guys the credit? Um, and you
Speaker 1: know what, it's about accountability too. I don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna say people are not giving us the credit.
Speaker 1: We're not. We're not really like laying out marked the
Speaker 1: way we're supposed to do films. And I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that because I feel like we just need to unify
Speaker 1: more Chicago. That's what we need unity, you feel me,
Speaker 1: And that's what makes other cities stick out, you know,
Speaker 1: like even New York. New York probably not like people
Speaker 1: they say, like New York not really unified when it comes,
Speaker 1: but it is you feeling like you could really see
Speaker 1: fad ten artists from New York on stage together, in
Speaker 1: a studio together. You're probably a him on one song.
Speaker 1: You're not really gonna hit it in Chicago, if I'm
Speaker 1: saying men or women, you know, And I ain't even
Speaker 1: gonna say that we don't get the respect because people
Speaker 1: see it. They just waiting on us to go crazy,
Speaker 1: Like Katie got a song with Nicki Minaj right now.
Speaker 1: You feel we always hit the respect that we deserve,
Speaker 1: but we just gotta like on it, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying it, And I think that's what we're missing,
Speaker 1: you know, we just get too caught up in ourselves
Speaker 1: from Chicago. You're feeling like that's what we need the unit,
Speaker 1: if we just own it and swag up. Like even
Speaker 1: me personally, like I feel like I'm our best artist
Speaker 1: when I'm confident, you know, but I gotta be not
Speaker 1: going when I'm going through stuff personally, it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to just think about being a rapper, you feel,
Speaker 1: because I'm really going through stuff, you know, and I
Speaker 1: ain't trying to like smile through it a lot of times,
Speaker 1: you feel me or just be like being an artist,
Speaker 1: you gotta be confident, you gotta be cocky. But it's
Speaker 1: hard to be cocky and confident when you're really going
Speaker 1: through some personally, but you don't want to, like I
Speaker 1: can't fly, I ain't on never, I ain't never not
Speaker 1: hearing money or not hearing things to be confident in cocky,
Speaker 1: But that's just not my character, that's just not me,
Speaker 1: you feel, I'm saying, So I gotta snap into something
Speaker 1: mentally to even be a rapper or feel like a rapper.
Speaker 1: You feel I'm saying it, and that just come from trauma.
Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of people from Chicago
Speaker 1: gonna go through that, me and women. You feel me,
Speaker 1: So I think that's what we're missing, you know, Man,
Speaker 1: I feel like Chicago's always gotten credited music, while Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've never los because we always got our credit. Like
Speaker 1: Reesee always got it. He has Drake record, Rick Ross record, Dirt. Oh,
Speaker 1: everybody always yay, like everybody, like everybody from our generation
Speaker 1: to the generation before. We always got our flowers in Chicago.
Speaker 1: You know, I just feel like we never really capitalize
Speaker 1: off of it because we not together. We need to
Speaker 1: really get united. You feel me like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I really don't know, man, what you think? Jab you
Speaker 1: gotta tell me you'd be spending that knowledge when you
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think we really need
Speaker 1: to unify. As Yeah said, a lot of times, these
Speaker 1: kids go on their own and they uh, they hard
Speaker 1: because of the trauma. It's hard for them to trust,
Speaker 1: you know. I've been around herb making out since he's
Speaker 1: been fifteen, and around all the guys since they've been fifteen,
Speaker 1: so I've seen them grow. But I think the difference
Speaker 1: in what Herb has is that he has exacts that
Speaker 1: have been around the business that can help him, that
Speaker 1: can coach him and let him see what he needs
Speaker 1: to actually see in order for him to grow. And
Speaker 1: I think that as we continue to do that with
Speaker 1: all these kids and more exacts come along, I think
Speaker 1: that you will begin to see how we can grow
Speaker 1: as a community in the business. I mean, we're extremely
Speaker 1: successful as an independent label. We've done deals that nobody
Speaker 1: has done, you know, in these buildings, and will continue
Speaker 1: to do that. But it's how do we continue to
Speaker 1: share and spread the knowledge? But these kids to grow.
Speaker 1: So I think that as the executives get better and
Speaker 1: we learn better, then we can lead better and you know,
Speaker 1: these kids to the next level. And with like the
Speaker 1: Champian on what he's saying, with like exacts or just
Speaker 1: building bosses under you, you know what I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: turning us into exacts and bosses because it's hard, Like
Speaker 1: with trust, it's hard to trust each other, it's hard
Speaker 1: to unify. Like say, for example, if we want to
Speaker 1: put a tour together with all the artists, the first
Speaker 1: thing you're gonna say is what the money gonna who?
Speaker 1: You know, what I'm saying, we gotta learn how to
Speaker 1: already protect ourselves financially, you know what I'm saying, in
Speaker 1: the business and everything, so we could really unify and
Speaker 1: get the money together. You know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: ain't no big as a little use. Ain't nobody thinking
Speaker 1: about how we're gonna get money together. But because we're
Speaker 1: gonna get money together and it's gonna make sense, you
Speaker 1: feel me like they gotta be that simple and that's
Speaker 1: your cousin, but that's your artists to her. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the last time I saw that from Chicago
Speaker 1: when Dirk was up here with Vaughan, Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and just Vaughn sitting in on the
Speaker 1: interview and people were like, oh, shoot, that's barn. They
Speaker 1: were happy to see that. Yeah, I mean, for sure,
Speaker 1: and especially in the city, it's a win, you feel
Speaker 1: me because people know where we come from. You know,
Speaker 1: you know what it takes to be able to to
Speaker 1: be here myself personally and forament, Like people don't know
Speaker 1: his story. He was just arrested. He was fighting four homicide.
Speaker 1: He was fighting the quadruple homicide. He was in the
Speaker 1: county for three years. He didn't even think he'd be
Speaker 1: here right now, you know what I'm saying, Like, but
Speaker 1: we kept faith. We believe in God, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, and I knew me personal I promise
Speaker 1: like I always. You know how he just feels from
Speaker 1: the day he got arrested. I'm like, man, he gonna
Speaker 1: be back. You know, he's gonna be right here with me,
Speaker 1: and we gonna really do this the right way. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying it, And that's what's important to me.
Speaker 1: You feel me. That's when I'm trying to show the world.
Speaker 1: You know, like you don't know what a person's story
Speaker 1: is or you know, you just gotta always believe that
Speaker 1: throughout your journey you're gonna be successful and you're gonna
Speaker 1: fulfill your destiny. I'm like, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the stuff I'll be trying to like
Speaker 1: tap into, and that's what I'd be wanting to preach
Speaker 1: because the music is easy. The why I'm mature and
Speaker 1: I've become the best version of myself music, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be able to do that with my ass clothes. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be able to wrap circles around whoever, as long
Speaker 1: as I'm the best version of myself, though, let's have
Speaker 1: the Chief keep commo because I think what people I
Speaker 1: never said Chief Keith wasn't influential. Yeah, I said that.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you said. Yeah, I said the
Speaker 1: four most influential rappers of all times, Pop, Jay, Wayne,
Speaker 1: and Kanye. And then Nyla was like, when you gotta
Speaker 1: put Chief keefing and I was like, well, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: put Chief keefing that far because Chief Keef influenced the
Speaker 1: sound in a region. Not saying he's not influential. I
Speaker 1: just don't think he's one of the foremost influential rappers
Speaker 1: of all time. Yeah. No, see, look, and we both
Speaker 1: got confused with that. You know what I'm You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And that's what I meant when I
Speaker 1: was saying it. It's a sound. He influenced, a sound
Speaker 1: and a generation of kids that it even like And
Speaker 1: even though Social is a global superstar, but even if
Speaker 1: he wasn't, just what he did and how he touched
Speaker 1: so many people and turned them into global superstars, that's
Speaker 1: what I meant. Like you, his influence is crazy. You know,
Speaker 1: he's never done an oversea show never because I don't
Speaker 1: so same performed in chicagoing like eight years. He could
Speaker 1: sell out two United Centers right now. I know he
Speaker 1: will if he came back to Chicago, It'll be crazy.
Speaker 1: Like people gotta understand he that big with still like everything,
Speaker 1: like I'm saying, hiccups, the stuff that you go through
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and you just make it look good,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like a lot of us
Speaker 1: are not really able to reach out full potential because
Speaker 1: we go through so much. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't. I can't tell you personally
Speaker 1: what he's going through or what he may went through
Speaker 1: while he not able to go tour out the country.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I can't go to out
Speaker 1: the country right now, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that to say you don't know what
Speaker 1: nobody going through behind the scenes, and you're just trying
Speaker 1: to be the best version of yourself. But I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna lie. Like I respect you, bro. You've always been
Speaker 1: just solid, you know what I'm saying, And it's it's
Speaker 1: hard to recognize solid people. That's just like gonna speak
Speaker 1: they mad. You know, it started a conversation, It started
Speaker 1: controversy because it makes you think solid people are gonna
Speaker 1: say stuff that make other people think. You know what,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing it like we need it. But you see
Speaker 1: how you see it generationally thought. You see how clearly
Speaker 1: influenced the whole generation, a whole generation, be like, no,
Speaker 1: that's our guy. What you know, everybody social made everybody
Speaker 1: to get dreads. He made everybody rock true religion like
Speaker 1: it was different. He had like a different He had
Speaker 1: that Kanye effect on our generation for real. But Wayne
Speaker 1: don't say he called the whole generation to get dreamed.
Speaker 1: He would. He would two chains will say I called
Speaker 1: the whole generation to start wear a true religion or
Speaker 1: Jim Jones, you know what I mean. But I've seen it,
Speaker 1: though I don't like Wayne didn't do that, Like he
Speaker 1: started making street dude. I've seen like real street dude
Speaker 1: started getting like lipids when Wayne did it in Chicago,
Speaker 1: that was unheard of. Do you have a relationship with Wayne.
Speaker 1: I know he's your favorite. Yeah, he's my favorite, like
Speaker 1: all the time for real. But um, that's why I
Speaker 1: see one of the foremost influential absolutely absolutely. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: I hot on him a few times him like you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that, and then but I really
Speaker 1: just I gotta connect for real, for real with him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're close to getting something. Yeah, I really gotta get
Speaker 1: with him for real. Like that's when I really I'm
Speaker 1: gonna feel like I made it. When I get that line.
Speaker 1: When I get a song Wayne just's me and Wayne
Speaker 1: the studio working, I'm gonna really feel like it's that.
Speaker 1: Speaking of another Chicago artist that has inspired the whole generation,
Speaker 1: Juice Work, how hard was it the right letting the
Speaker 1: juice work? Um? Again, I was one of them days.
Speaker 1: It's in the studio drinking when I when I'm vulnerable
Speaker 1: and I opened up, I gotta be by myself for real,
Speaker 1: Like especially when I'm talking about real stuff like I
Speaker 1: it just be like me and my engineer and you know,
Speaker 1: it's like late and the song came on and it
Speaker 1: just I just started to think about it. I'm like
Speaker 1: nothing to just make the song juice and see if
Speaker 1: I could do it. You know, sometimes I challenged myself
Speaker 1: as like I wanted to do auto tune. You know,
Speaker 1: I was just just in my thoughts for real, like
Speaker 1: that's why at the end, I just started talking like
Speaker 1: I really felt like I was talking to him for real,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, um juice, That's like it'd
Speaker 1: be still like I don't really hit home all the time,
Speaker 1: like trying to just you know, face the yality of
Speaker 1: him not really being a lie. That's one person I
Speaker 1: feel like I've really been into now about him being
Speaker 1: dead since you know what I'm saying, since it happened,
Speaker 1: it'd be hard, you feel me, like to acknowledge, especially
Speaker 1: when you got to see his face all the time,
Speaker 1: you got to hear his music. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it'd be hard to really like acknowledge it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I guess me making that song
Speaker 1: was just like trying to holler at him. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You said, I miss your soul. Made
Speaker 1: my heart cold, but now I'm hot at you. I
Speaker 1: describe those rangeable moves and it made me mad, bro
Speaker 1: like for real, like that's somebody that I couldn't fathom
Speaker 1: him not being here, you know what I'm saying to him?
Speaker 1: Not his journey it was so the upscale was just
Speaker 1: so big for him and just it ain't even about music,
Speaker 1: just him being a real pure that was a real
Speaker 1: pure soul for real bro, like a real good dude.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like we ain't post to
Speaker 1: lose nobody like him, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: the world really needed a little bro, you know. And
Speaker 1: that's what I meant by that, Like really he knows,
Speaker 1: Like we used to have the conversation right now. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm real mad about you know what I'm saying about
Speaker 1: that just the way it happened, Yeah, the way it happened,
Speaker 1: just him not being here, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And or like what I mean is fighting his demons alone.
Speaker 1: He didn't have to do that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like and we are thinking, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: we artists were on the road, we're having fun, we're
Speaker 1: making money. You think getting hat like it's normal. You
Speaker 1: know people we'd be smiling. We go through We smile
Speaker 1: and still laughing, acting regularly getting how you will think
Speaker 1: somebody getting hack because they just want to get hat.
Speaker 1: Nigga really getting hack because he really liked hurt. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like really going through something where
Speaker 1: he needed you feemulate you ain't. A lot of people
Speaker 1: ain't never really been to the point. Some people like
Speaker 1: get how to just be cool. Some people really need
Speaker 1: it for real. Like it's and I'll be saying it
Speaker 1: a lot like to myself. You don't know. It's it's
Speaker 1: a person who going through something. It's gonna be the
Speaker 1: toughest when they in the room by theirselves. It's cool
Speaker 1: for me to smile and hang out with y'all while
Speaker 1: I'm here with chilling, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: when I'm in the room by myself, that's what I'm
Speaker 1: in my thoughts. We feel me, So I feel like
Speaker 1: that's a danger this type of person, a dangerous person
Speaker 1: to be to take on so much. And when they
Speaker 1: get by theirself in the room and they thoughts, that's
Speaker 1: when you know, like who a person is for you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying it, And that's what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like he ain't have to be that person. You feel me.
Speaker 1: He had too many people around him that love or
Speaker 1: what you know. And I just want to open up
Speaker 1: and say that because I know now like I ain't
Speaker 1: going through nothing by myself. You feel me. It's just
Speaker 1: it is what it is. I don't care people could
Speaker 1: look at me crazy or whatever, Like I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: open up about what I'm going through because I can't
Speaker 1: go through nothing. I used too many people that depend
Speaker 1: on me for me to feel like I'm alone. You're femily,
Speaker 1: I'm a build support around me before I feel like
Speaker 1: i'm alone. Yeah, that's all. You said that in complex,
Speaker 1: you talked about your depression and you said you don't
Speaker 1: even know the support that you have until you open
Speaker 1: up and say something. But I'm like, damn, Juice World
Speaker 1: was super open in his music, Like you could listen
Speaker 1: to Juice's music and he was telling you he was
Speaker 1: going through things, so like nobody reached out like, um,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I used to talk to Liboro all
Speaker 1: the time about like and and it'd be like even
Speaker 1: like not too personal, like the smallest thing, bro, some
Speaker 1: somebody going through with a girl or want to have
Speaker 1: a conversation with a mom or a friend or anybody.
Speaker 1: You know, just the pressure of having so many people
Speaker 1: around you all the time. You feel me like those
Speaker 1: be the little things that really drive people off the lands.
Speaker 1: They don't even really be like the super super deep
Speaker 1: shit it's every day that you're not really able to
Speaker 1: open up and say what it is because the people
Speaker 1: around you supposed to be able to open up to
Speaker 1: them too. If I'm around you every single day, you
Speaker 1: feeling like I supposed to be able to talk to you,
Speaker 1: you know, like entourage whatever you want to hold me
Speaker 1: like I supposed to be. You supposed to be on
Speaker 1: what I'm on. You know what I'm saying. I feel
Speaker 1: like as artists, we like ignore that you feel me like,
Speaker 1: and then we'd be thinking like, ah, it's cool, we're
Speaker 1: just getting have we having fun, and it just pick
Speaker 1: up like it take a toll on your road, like
Speaker 1: you feel what I'm saying. I could just be moving
Speaker 1: on a goat on a run so much and then
Speaker 1: just me being tired, you know what I'm saying. They
Speaker 1: could faint, pass out anything, just not saying I'm tired.
Speaker 1: You feel me like we need to be able to
Speaker 1: say sometimes like as an artist, you don't even want
Speaker 1: to say you tad, I'm tad man, I don't need
Speaker 1: to go to sleep for a whole day. You feeling
Speaker 1: like we need it. Everybody around gotta know, like I'm
Speaker 1: on what he owned and he owned what I'm on period.
Speaker 1: My man David mccolor, he said, it's the mental affects
Speaker 1: BO Saturday, he said, how many of y'all wake up
Speaker 1: and don't feel arrested. I'm like, damn, I never even
Speaker 1: thought about it. Like, Yo, you wake up and don't
Speaker 1: even you still don't feel arrested. It's crazy because you
Speaker 1: can't even turn your mind on it. Get like that, bro,
Speaker 1: And then it's like, especially people like us because we
Speaker 1: we we gotta like it ain't like we're going to
Speaker 1: work at regular nine the family. We gotta be chrismatic.
Speaker 1: We gotta hold conversations with people all the time, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And you don't know what A
Speaker 1: lot of our mans be. A lot of our man
Speaker 1: be other places, and we gotta snap in it just
Speaker 1: being able to have a regular conversation with people, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So you gotta really like salute
Speaker 1: to people who just out help functioning. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like he'll be the small. I just respect
Speaker 1: people who are able to get through the day. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Successful, you feel like tilt your
Speaker 1: head off to those. Let's get into a joint off thatum,
Speaker 1: what you want to hear? What I want to hear?
Speaker 1: I want to hear paid ess Man, That's one of
Speaker 1: my favorites. On the A side, well, the album is
Speaker 1: out today. Of Morse A sade B sides. If I
Speaker 1: was of Morse out now. Man is Herbo is g Herbo.
Speaker 1: It is the breakfast club. Good morning,