Speaker 1: You're tuned into The Gangster Chronicles. Well, James McDonald, REXI
Speaker 1: Rei Jr. And Allen Tomanso on the Digital Soapbox Network
Speaker 1: material witness on an aggregated battery, I was a hang
Speaker 1: gun and um they believe this might be in retaliation
Speaker 1: to her testimony. Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening
Speaker 1: wherever you may be listening. This is another episode of
Speaker 1: The Gangster Chronicles, episode thirty six, and I'm here with
Speaker 1: my co host and my name is Alex Alonso. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get right into it. Last week and the week
Speaker 1: before we had the Thanksgiving episode and the t. K.
Speaker 1: Kirkland episode, and I just want to go through a
Speaker 1: few fact checks before we start the show because we
Speaker 1: gotta guests bring you today. But let me get through
Speaker 1: these facts. Two weeks ago, I had incorrectly provided Anthony
Speaker 1: Quinn's real name. His his actual real birth name is
Speaker 1: Antonio Rudolpho Quinn wai haaka. That's his real birth name.
Speaker 1: And he was actually born in Mexico, but he grew
Speaker 1: up in East l A in the neighborhood called City Terrace.
Speaker 1: City Terrorist is actually the same neighborhood. Dad, Remember Mayor
Speaker 1: via Rogossa, l a mayor. He's from that same same
Speaker 1: little area. I don't know if he banged from the
Speaker 1: neighborhood over there, but via Grossa grew up over there,
Speaker 1: all right. So that's Anthony Quinn's correct name. And then Um,
Speaker 1: on that same episode of the Thanksgiving episode, when we
Speaker 1: talked about the different police officers that we've been getting arrested,
Speaker 1: I said something about, oh, there's a couple of these
Speaker 1: cops that did a rape, but I didn't remember who
Speaker 1: they were, but I looked it up. This is crazy, Uh,
Speaker 1: William Rodriguez, No, no, no, I'm sorry. UM. James Nichols
Speaker 1: and Louise Venezuela pleaded no contest to sexually assaulting four
Speaker 1: different women between two thousand and eight and two thousand
Speaker 1: and eleven. This happened, they got they got found guilty. Well,
Speaker 1: they played guilty, which is what no contest means. In
Speaker 1: February two eighteen. But these are two l a p
Speaker 1: D officers. James, they were partners and it was pulling
Speaker 1: up on chicks and they were literally raping. And the
Speaker 1: outcome was how much time, Oh, the the amount of
Speaker 1: time they got. Um. I think they both got twenty
Speaker 1: five years. They really got stretched out. They didn't getting
Speaker 1: no pad on the risk. They didn't getting no little
Speaker 1: five year uh um, you know setting, they got twenty
Speaker 1: or twenty five. I looked that up in a minute.
Speaker 1: So for those that are wondering, Yes, these were two
Speaker 1: l a p D officers, James Nichols forty six years
Speaker 1: old Louise Valence well A forty five, and they was
Speaker 1: rolling around rape and chicks in their cruisers. And when
Speaker 1: I was looking at up, I had just found out
Speaker 1: another l a p D officer this year in July.
Speaker 1: Um was arrested in July. His case is pending, so
Speaker 1: technically he's innocent until proven guilty. But officer William Rodriguez
Speaker 1: thirty two, thirty three years old, was arrested in July
Speaker 1: on two felony counts of forcible rape. He's a ten
Speaker 1: year veteran of the l A p D. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's just some little information for you from our
Speaker 1: previous episode. And then we incorrectly said that Rodney read
Speaker 1: the guy that was on Texas death row supposed to
Speaker 1: be executed on the twenty three. He was actually supposed
Speaker 1: to be executed on the twentieth um the actual day
Speaker 1: that I believe our episode aired, so he got his
Speaker 1: things stayed anyways, So Rodney Reid his case is, uh,
Speaker 1: he is not going to be executed, at least not
Speaker 1: as of now. And man, I got so many messages
Speaker 1: about how he's a rapist. That right, oh y'all defending
Speaker 1: rapists and all this other stuff. It was crazy. I
Speaker 1: don't you don't even check none of that stuff on.
Speaker 1: And that's what people doing. They're looking at this ship
Speaker 1: and then they said they're accusing him already there the
Speaker 1: cop dude is the one that killed that girl. And
Speaker 1: then what you're gonna say now that shee what happens
Speaker 1: in this tribe? I mean to be if they killing
Speaker 1: and then find out later that he did it and
Speaker 1: somebody you know, you're sucked up. That's exactly what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, Manum. People want to jump on like if
Speaker 1: this dude is innocent in this case, then he's not
Speaker 1: a rapist point blank, and he's innocent maybe maybe al right.
Speaker 1: Two more fact checks from the T. K. Kirkland episode.
Speaker 1: A couple of people hit me up and said Lyndon B.
Speaker 1: Johnson was not president during the nineteen fifties because T
Speaker 1: K brought up some act that t that Lyndon B.
Speaker 1: Johnson introduced when he was he wasn't even president. He
Speaker 1: was actually a politician, politician before he became president, the
Speaker 1: whole Nonprofit Act that T. K. Kirkland talked about. So
Speaker 1: technically the people that hit me up are correct. Lyndon B.
Speaker 1: Johnson was not president in the nineteen fifties, but it
Speaker 1: was the nineteen fifties when Lyndon B. Johnson came out
Speaker 1: with with that act. He was a politician before he
Speaker 1: became the thirty six president of the United States. It
Speaker 1: was the Nonprofit US Tax Code Act of nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 1: So for you guys that said T. K. Clark Kirkland
Speaker 1: was wrong, he wasn't president in the fifties, Yeah, you're correct.
Speaker 1: He was president in the sixties, but the act that T. K.
Speaker 1: Kirkland was talking about was past the nineteen fifty four
Speaker 1: And then I got a lot of comments about another T. K.
Speaker 1: Kirkland comment about cowboys. The first cowboys were black. Technically
Speaker 1: the first cowboys in the US, you could argue they
Speaker 1: were black, but they had cowboys from Mexico during the
Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds. And here's something that's really interested. The word
Speaker 1: cowboy didn't exist. It was actually cow handler, so they
Speaker 1: called them cow handlers. But most of the slaves were
Speaker 1: handling the cows. So when the slaves were handling the cows,
Speaker 1: they didn't call them cow handlers. They called them boy,
Speaker 1: you boy, you cowboy. And the events of the word
Speaker 1: cowboy became the term that you No one calls them
Speaker 1: cow handlers anymore. Yeah. Well, I read a book, and
Speaker 1: if I had known this, shot had the book where
Speaker 1: I could shay the name. But there was black shirts
Speaker 1: back in that time, and there were black cowboys that
Speaker 1: had ranches back in those days. Definitely, they go back
Speaker 1: to the eighteen hundreds and um even early as the
Speaker 1: seventeen seventeen hundreds, but they had Mexican cowboys going back
Speaker 1: to you know. So all right, and the last thing
Speaker 1: I want to say is O. J. Simpson is up
Speaker 1: to nine d three thousand followers on Twitter. He's almost
Speaker 1: getting to a million. James is expecting a phone call
Speaker 1: from Reggie Wright. What's happening with you? Rich much? How
Speaker 1: you doing? Bro? Oh, I'm good man, I'm good. We
Speaker 1: were should here. What's up? Redge we're just over here
Speaker 1: in the studio. What's going on with you? Oh? Man?
Speaker 1: Here this prison? Ya take day day? You know? And
Speaker 1: how's the adjustment been now? Now it's been what about
Speaker 1: three almost a month now, I've been over a month
Speaker 1: out ye six weeks. Damn yeah, well least sim going by,
Speaker 1: yeah going by. You know what. The guy on the
Speaker 1: workout believe that. Oh you you want a serious workout plan?
Speaker 1: Now many just I got this one brother, and they're
Speaker 1: just working my fat ass out. He said, Oh no, brother,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get this off. He okay, So you're doing
Speaker 1: a mile, which is you got a track like what
Speaker 1: you can do for a lap for a mile? We
Speaker 1: got both, but but you know it's we'll do it
Speaker 1: a mile and a half of uh we got either
Speaker 1: treadmill when it's raining because you know, I'm in central
Speaker 1: California and the rains a lot out here. It's the
Speaker 1: pour down raining out out here the last week or two.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, we've been just working out and you know,
Speaker 1: we do it ether on the track or inside. And
Speaker 1: they got and they got everything you want in the
Speaker 1: smucking itself weights. They got a little weight for they
Speaker 1: get in trouble for But yeah, you know, so have
Speaker 1: your arguing thing. Are you driving the vange yet? Now
Speaker 1: I didn't get my ass a job yet, so you're
Speaker 1: still waiting. I fell siver through thinking that came from
Speaker 1: over from Terminal Island. They the came from other places
Speaker 1: and they already got a jail. That's when they could
Speaker 1: be like, oh man, I don't know how you ain't
Speaker 1: gonta jail yet. Well I told you what my what
Speaker 1: my people say. He just retired as a lieutenant and
Speaker 1: uh he was. He was telling me that you was
Speaker 1: gonna be all right. Um man, man checked about they
Speaker 1: got dog on GA TV show, that one with Danny Boy.
Speaker 1: You're on there. We all sit around watching TV and ship.
Speaker 1: I guess what comes on Reggie right? Yeah that so
Speaker 1: everybody looked at you. Everybody they know they are cool.
Speaker 1: I told you I'm at a count bron the place
Speaker 1: next door that's where the should go down. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: let me tell yourself rich the prisoners prison, whether you're
Speaker 1: in the camp or on the other side of the world.
Speaker 1: Doug uh is called program. Don't let them program who you?
Speaker 1: I ain't the point I'm talking about. You're talking about
Speaker 1: the FCI that's right across the street, right, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's you know the one. Yeah, that's an act security. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they had. Yeah, there's some heavy hitters in
Speaker 1: that f C I at water yea, yeah, a little
Speaker 1: rod there, a bunch of people there, actually many people there,
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to you, I've been in there thinking
Speaker 1: about three or fourth stabbing over there. Yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's that's it's cracking. No, I think with registering, he
Speaker 1: ain't worried about no stabbings happening in that camp, even though,
Speaker 1: like if anything can pop off, but most likely ain't
Speaker 1: nothing gonna pop off, just playing something, cash Man. The
Speaker 1: inmate is an inmate. You don't know who whooked up
Speaker 1: sitting next to you, You eating child. You don't know
Speaker 1: if that motherfucker woof the wam Bama hooked up with
Speaker 1: if if if a motherfucker want to send a kite
Speaker 1: to a motherfucker in prison, it ain't hard to do, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you can I can't send it already? Can about
Speaker 1: me come and delivered up Reggie, Reggie. Then motherfucker's gonna
Speaker 1: walk away from you if they see it coming they're
Speaker 1: turning their head and go the other way. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna get in the middle of that ship exactly when
Speaker 1: you know what kind of they did. But then I
Speaker 1: was just trying to say that they are No, I
Speaker 1: got that they I'm just trying to say the thing
Speaker 1: you know is in there that knows you. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but I want you. I want you to take
Speaker 1: care of yourself. Man. I want you to mind Reggie business.
Speaker 1: If you got to go find it, just just mind
Speaker 1: Reggie business. And do you dub don't be on about
Speaker 1: September date. I gotta September tipth date, and I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to mess it up September next year. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how it goes because of what happens is uh
Speaker 1: what date is like it says on the books like
Speaker 1: Severaluary fifth, something like that. It was the fifth at first,
Speaker 1: the first it's actually fairy way the first, but you
Speaker 1: get my home compliment date and the ammergant here, so
Speaker 1: they gotta let me out of my then unless you're
Speaker 1: not sunk up and get in trouble and do something.
Speaker 1: But then they also put it for me for three
Speaker 1: months of halfway house. Let's car that's lesson three months
Speaker 1: of halfway to take me to September the tent. And
Speaker 1: so from September the tent. Uh, I should be out
Speaker 1: here if I don't get no trouble. Okay, you know
Speaker 1: when you come on, boy, you're gonna have Oh you
Speaker 1: don't have to do a whole lot of explaining. You
Speaker 1: got more books run around here, man, different. I don't
Speaker 1: try to do it different thing, you know. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you better get in shape because you're gonna be here.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to put them up. So you go
Speaker 1: knock there's not go knock it off and uh don't
Speaker 1: get yourself together way in and take advantage of it exactly. Red,
Speaker 1: do you have any uh any like goals in terms
Speaker 1: of what you expect from your workout, like a mon
Speaker 1: month goal, six months goal? Talk about that. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: really trying to get up about the ether four miles
Speaker 1: by time I get out here, whereas doing it comfortably.
Speaker 1: Try to get my back arms from being flatby uh
Speaker 1: to the least solid and hush, you know, I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna do you know, but yeah, we're doing push up,
Speaker 1: some curls and stuff, so you know we're doing exercise.
Speaker 1: Is gonna get my warms right if I If I
Speaker 1: stick with it and don't get hurt, you don't hurt
Speaker 1: myself or anything, I'll be right. I'll be right. I'm
Speaker 1: not already lost. Leven the thirteen. Oh yeah, you're good.
Speaker 1: And you haven't even been in there six weeks. Dare
Speaker 1: was motherfucking wish you can drop that, because that's because
Speaker 1: I came up that that Solda you know, you know
Speaker 1: your VOI damn uh two later even though man, they
Speaker 1: got everything in here that that's on the streets, soldiers, candies,
Speaker 1: all of that ship. But I just I just been
Speaker 1: drinking water. Man. I'll just like saying, hey, go ahead
Speaker 1: and use this year to give myself right right right, well,
Speaker 1: we we should there right before you go. Man. We
Speaker 1: was in a deep conversation over here with Nino man
Speaker 1: and then and I just want to check in. And
Speaker 1: I wasn't telling you by I was just telling you
Speaker 1: what we was into since your party games, the chronicles,
Speaker 1: but since yeah, yeah, I ain't thinking about you, ain't
Speaker 1: always trying to pick over tell me, okay, okay, we
Speaker 1: still got started, motherfucking war people won't too. We still
Speaker 1: got a few more minutes now we don't why I
Speaker 1: took your show on the call man, Why I took
Speaker 1: so on the car? I had no I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: I ain't talked to you in about three weeks and
Speaker 1: we got text you up and they're like, we can
Speaker 1: text all damn days. Greg, I'm not. I'm I've been
Speaker 1: where you've been before. I don't text and I don't
Speaker 1: talk to niggas like that long distance. What's up my
Speaker 1: nigg and we I mean, we understand that, well, understand that.
Speaker 1: But I didn't even have seen on the phone. Below
Speaker 1: got their phone phone calls fifteen minutes, we're gonna talk,
Speaker 1: We're gonna hang up, and I might hear from you
Speaker 1: another photo I can do fifteen Hey are you getting
Speaker 1: k K? Man? I had so many stories about t K.
Speaker 1: I used to work as a nightclub at the Competent Indigo.
Speaker 1: Uh Dormata, Well that don't matter. The dude was on it.
Speaker 1: He did real good man, and I like the brother
Speaker 1: he gotta he got a voice for for radio. I
Speaker 1: used to always telling, I'm like, nigger, you need to
Speaker 1: be in radio. But I know what's happened this thing.
Speaker 1: It would have been Dave Chappelle when we tell your story.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he told it before, because I
Speaker 1: think it would have been in Dave Chappelle far he
Speaker 1: was living with Eddie Murphy back in in the in
Speaker 1: the early nineties. This motherfucker fund off his career, got
Speaker 1: black ball because he stold Eddie Murphy rolex y. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he told that story before the he might be uh
Speaker 1: rolex watch and he must be black watered that they're
Speaker 1: cool now though, right, I don't know anybody. No, he's
Speaker 1: definitely not in any movies. What she's just my thing, man,
Speaker 1: My thing is not to tear down, and my my
Speaker 1: thing is to build. And I don't I don't. I
Speaker 1: mean when we sat here and had a conversation with him,
Speaker 1: pretty much everything he was saying was like positive. So
Speaker 1: I'm rolling with that because that I got that vibe,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But he's he's told that
Speaker 1: story that he's told that he stole to watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we all did in a different mindset and in a
Speaker 1: different place. What you mean what you mean by y'all
Speaker 1: show them to show that y'all did with him? I
Speaker 1: din't y'all did. I bet y'all don't make my name
Speaker 1: no more to start. I no, got, You're not sitting
Speaker 1: here for me to say your name. But at the
Speaker 1: end of it, yeah, no, I don't never even say
Speaker 1: y'all names. I'll let y'all say your own names. Not
Speaker 1: here right now. We did that a cup. Hey, I've
Speaker 1: done I've done that a couple of times. I think
Speaker 1: I said, this is our second Hey, Red, I can
Speaker 1: communicate with you, get email, uh and and communicate with
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop that information. I'm gonna drop that information
Speaker 1: to you tonight. But we we have said the first
Speaker 1: on the first, but Red, Red three, I appreciate you, man.
Speaker 1: You know what you did for me, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: And all my people kill Ali I got, I got
Speaker 1: your letter. Appreciate He's over here shouting out all the
Speaker 1: people that are saying letter. Hey, hey Red, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say this. I don't be all right, go ahead, man.
Speaker 1: You probably don't have access to the to the to
Speaker 1: the podcast, but at least two or three times I said, oh,
Speaker 1: this is our first episode without Red, h this is
Speaker 1: our second episode without read. So you've been mentioned throughout
Speaker 1: these episodes since you've been gone. You know, I just
Speaker 1: like I know I know if I got something where
Speaker 1: you know, I ain't gonna lie. I an't your name first,
Speaker 1: even do y'all tell my nigga. No, I'm an emailing
Speaker 1: point to the hein't email me back, So come on,
Speaker 1: what's up with that? I know he type. I know
Speaker 1: either big executive producer over here, but you can email
Speaker 1: is a little man, believe it or not. Man, No,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to have you in a better position when
Speaker 1: you come home. Brother, trying to get it right. Hey,
Speaker 1: let me let y'all know. I love all for y'all.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying. What you mean for my mom?
Speaker 1: Photographers ship here part of the oh yeah, be one
Speaker 1: hundred Yeah, alright, Red, you got one, you got one
Speaker 1: minute left? Final thoughts? You got one minute left before
Speaker 1: before your call cuts off, So give us some final thoughts.
Speaker 1: Nine what you see? Yeah you got you got like
Speaker 1: less than a minute left. Seven Yeah, Well, I just
Speaker 1: like I said, appreciate you and I appreciate you're doing.
Speaker 1: You'll keep up to do work. John been telling me
Speaker 1: your numbers are still the same, and our numbers have Hey, Redd,
Speaker 1: our numbers have grown these last three or four weeks.
Speaker 1: Believe that. Alright, red. Maybe they'll wait for me to
Speaker 1: leave knock it off one our thanks Hey, our Thanksgiving show,
Speaker 1: leave you all right? What I was gonna end on
Speaker 1: is our Thanksgiving episode has actually been the most downloaded,
Speaker 1: the most streamed episode we've done. Can you believe that
Speaker 1: just you and me, just sitting here was the most
Speaker 1: download episode? Let but you guys, um, we got a guest.
Speaker 1: This brother is he grew up in Watts He's from
Speaker 1: one of the the largest housing projects in Watts. He
Speaker 1: been a part of the Truce and Peace movement, even
Speaker 1: though he wasn't always on that, but now he's into that.
Speaker 1: And then he also took a turn into entertainment. At
Speaker 1: one point he had an epiphany and he wanted to
Speaker 1: get into filmmaking and he wanted to tell his story.
Speaker 1: And in fact, he's got a film called Truce America's
Speaker 1: Untold True Story. And we got Nino. What's up man,
Speaker 1: Nino Cappuccino right now, that's not the original name, but
Speaker 1: telling how you got that name, Nino Cappuccino. Where'd that
Speaker 1: come from? Well, Nina has always been a nickname, and
Speaker 1: Cappuccino was you know, it was a marketing strategy of
Speaker 1: mind I put together, you know, because it comes from
Speaker 1: an Italian raising and it just had a ring to it.
Speaker 1: But my original street name, you know, it was Bunyana
Speaker 1: b JS. Those that called me Budiana bor Killer b J.
Speaker 1: You know that's my origin name. And James, you've known
Speaker 1: this brother for quite a while, right, we at least
Speaker 1: about thirty years plus history and we go back for
Speaker 1: the seventies. Man, he was their death roll. He was dead. Uh,
Speaker 1: definitely a well known cat on the street. Everybody new
Speaker 1: he years. Uh. B J was monster. Now you put
Speaker 1: him on glass now keep I mean, it ain't too
Speaker 1: many of of big homies that you got out there today.
Speaker 1: That's real, you know what I'm saying, And that's what
Speaker 1: the hood needs today. But you know, you got a
Speaker 1: lot of brothers that made it out the hood still
Speaker 1: go to the hood, but can't take that time out,
Speaker 1: especially doing what they're doing to nurture the youngsters. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Me going to the projects. My
Speaker 1: family live in the projects, the Jackson family, my little
Speaker 1: my little relative, meet you boy. You know that's you know,
Speaker 1: he was straight Bonnie Hunter, you know, rest in peace,
Speaker 1: love you. Um. Definitely some hard times over there did
Speaker 1: a lot of time and and and and the penitentiary
Speaker 1: with a lot of Bonnie Honors. You know, um Lock Boys,
Speaker 1: Belle Haven. I mean I can go there, but you
Speaker 1: know this guy definitely, definitely, uh you know. T J.
Speaker 1: Kirknan was on here talking about you know how you
Speaker 1: how you can make it from the hood and then
Speaker 1: go here this brother he can explain better in the
Speaker 1: hood president and then here he is getting out of
Speaker 1: prison and then decided to go back to school. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you tell that stuff. I want to
Speaker 1: know more about this film. Let's start off with the
Speaker 1: film first. There's so many things we can talk about.
Speaker 1: Let's start off with that film. Did I say that
Speaker 1: the title correctly? Yeah, it's it's more or less. It's
Speaker 1: called The Truth, America's Untold True Story, and it's based
Speaker 1: on the Nino Uprising of the n two peace treaty
Speaker 1: was put together by the community of Watts. So I
Speaker 1: just want to clarify that for the record. Right now,
Speaker 1: TV Landing, everybody there is listening, The n Truths was
Speaker 1: established not in Los Angeles, not a South Century, not
Speaker 1: in Bompton, Compton, Inglewood, along beat, no disrespect but it
Speaker 1: was stablessed and started in Watts. In the beginning, a
Speaker 1: lot of my colleagues who were involved, they tried to
Speaker 1: establish it as in l a truth So in the
Speaker 1: beginning it started as a Los Angeles Truths. So a
Speaker 1: lot of the gangs and it clicks from different neighborhoods
Speaker 1: with Cloud would meet up at Jim BrownHouse. That was
Speaker 1: like the medium point. He was the mediator. So that's
Speaker 1: how the Marriican program got established in a lot of
Speaker 1: these communities because a lot of cats went to Jim Brown.
Speaker 1: And back then Jim Brown was like you know the community.
Speaker 1: He wrote to a lot of these dudes. Me however,
Speaker 1: I was a visionary then as well as I am today.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the bullshit I've seen through it.
Speaker 1: And then my leadership was different from a lot of
Speaker 1: dudes just like you couldn't. You came by me and
Speaker 1: you came by my characteristics. So a lot of ship
Speaker 1: that took place, I didn't partake in it. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm more or less was was pushing
Speaker 1: a line against a lot of stuff because we weren't
Speaker 1: eaten as far as a hole in a community. When
Speaker 1: that ship came together when guys did come together, so
Speaker 1: that still kept a separation, you know, because you know,
Speaker 1: money is the root of all evil. But as I
Speaker 1: was saying, the love of money though, the love of
Speaker 1: it and it don't even mattered. My point is it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's put there for His reason and purposes
Speaker 1: in which we can't go without period, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But still it's a route to it, and
Speaker 1: the route of it is evil because people would do
Speaker 1: anything and whatever to get it. So that's what makes
Speaker 1: it the root of evil. You know, you got people
Speaker 1: to the go to the lowest of the lowest just
Speaker 1: to get a few dollars. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm hiring people getting smoked over five dollars. Man, Man,
Speaker 1: it happens, you know. So yeah, part of the truths
Speaker 1: was I mean basically when they started over there and
Speaker 1: then with Jim Brown and everybody else was was was
Speaker 1: coming up off of it, But the people that should
Speaker 1: have been coming up was Watch. Yeah. This is so
Speaker 1: backing up to saying, man, it established in the W
Speaker 1: Man Watch A W A T T. S Man, the
Speaker 1: community of Watch between the housing projects and Nixon going
Speaker 1: joining Down's Pure Courts, Height Center Village. Those are four
Speaker 1: four amazing housing projects in the segments of Watts And
Speaker 1: we bought this truths together and it's say lives consecutive
Speaker 1: for twelve straight years, and I mean twelve years. There
Speaker 1: was no gun play, no murders, no dry bys, no
Speaker 1: ship and watch. It was nothing but love. Families coming
Speaker 1: together from all different sizes of the tracks who been
Speaker 1: separated for twenty thirty years of our war because of
Speaker 1: that separation, and they had family on that side. So
Speaker 1: it was baby's made. You know, other families in that
Speaker 1: generation was brought up in that era of the nineties
Speaker 1: up to the two thousand millennium. So for the city
Speaker 1: of wass during that time, man, it was very very beneficial.
Speaker 1: It was a factor and the community it brought to
Speaker 1: hold it for level. So if a lot of young
Speaker 1: homies can sit back and really just see on what
Speaker 1: took places for as that hystorical moment in time and
Speaker 1: realized dog that peace is essentially with some months that
Speaker 1: with peace it brings capital because now it brings others together.
Speaker 1: It brings you together from different neighborhoods, different different sets,
Speaker 1: different areas, no matter what walk of life. But your
Speaker 1: best partner who may think in the same for him,
Speaker 1: you think ate your homeboard. They over here from a
Speaker 1: whole other side of the world. And we get money
Speaker 1: together because we get alone. Were both compatible. We argue
Speaker 1: for us like brothers, but we still get money. I
Speaker 1: supposed to this homeboy ship. Your homeboy ready to stab
Speaker 1: you in your back and knock your head off, has dollars.
Speaker 1: So you gotta look at the psychological aspect of this ship,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So when we put that together,
Speaker 1: the whole dynamic would bring it together was us for
Speaker 1: the love of the people, especially for me, because it
Speaker 1: took them a while to get to me for me
Speaker 1: to come aboard and self cant represent my neighborhood. I'm
Speaker 1: the voice for my hood and I represent the blood
Speaker 1: card of dim Moves and just dimos in general. You
Speaker 1: feel me when it came down to it, because there
Speaker 1: was no other bloods at the table besides my big hommie,
Speaker 1: Donny Boy, Big Hank, and Big Buzzy Bobby Bugsby. Those
Speaker 1: were my three big homies in the first generation who
Speaker 1: was actually there at the underground meetings that took place.
Speaker 1: Because these meetings took place and started out of his
Speaker 1: underground meetings. Like I said, it started Jim brown House
Speaker 1: and from Jim brown House brother by the name of
Speaker 1: Dogus Hills, which is a Muslim brother. Out of drawing downs,
Speaker 1: he told his brother, Man, we just we just needed
Speaker 1: like Cadillac, just like in one one area, specific area
Speaker 1: in that area need to be We need to concentrate
Speaker 1: on us Watts, because we are the we are the hood.
Speaker 1: We're the mothership of the ship of this game, ship
Speaker 1: of the city period. So if Watson come together, the
Speaker 1: whole entire city is gonna be like a Dinamo effect.
Speaker 1: And his idea was right, because that's exactly what happened
Speaker 1: when we put that ship together, and and and it
Speaker 1: hit from the politicians and Maxine Waters on up Man
Speaker 1: while we were in the streets dancing and and and
Speaker 1: left your slide and man Compton came together. I told
Speaker 1: my some of the most violatile, dominant gangs and Compton
Speaker 1: they came together. South Central came together, His Spanish games
Speaker 1: came together. And even though the ship didn't uphold as
Speaker 1: long as our did, but it was the idea it happened.
Speaker 1: That means guess what this ship exists, it could happen.
Speaker 1: It's all up to us. The people. We are, the people,
Speaker 1: the community, we are the people. See a lot of
Speaker 1: people always put down the nine truths because then last.
Speaker 1: But I always say, no, we got to go back
Speaker 1: to the you me and the last twenty years. That's
Speaker 1: a decade or some change. To me, it didn't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not I'm not saying I say
Speaker 1: that every time we're talking peace in two thousand nineteen
Speaker 1: and someone says, oh no, we can't do it. Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's not possible. I say, man, ninety two truths. We
Speaker 1: got to always go back. That's the foundation of all
Speaker 1: peace talks that we have going on right now. Everybody
Speaker 1: got to look at it and she why it didn't last?
Speaker 1: Why it? Let me ask, that's because because some people
Speaker 1: say a lot of a lot of some people say
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes took place. Things that shouldn't have
Speaker 1: happened happened. It could have lasted longer, could have been permanent.
Speaker 1: Why do you think twelve years or whatever it was,
Speaker 1: the twelve years of peace bro first and foremost, that
Speaker 1: twelve years was hard. Ship wasn't easy. You gotta understand man,
Speaker 1: me coming from my position, you know, as being the
Speaker 1: individual that I was at that time in my in
Speaker 1: my era, my generation, my leadership, my guidance, my influence.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, me beat me being an
Speaker 1: influence or individual coming from my hood and just being
Speaker 1: a blood Perian representative, blood gang. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: for me to represent the opposite of what we always
Speaker 1: knew was it's blood of die. This is blood of dominant.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. This is we We don't
Speaker 1: do the blue thing. We don't do the cript thing.
Speaker 1: This is blood and nothing. So that's all we knew
Speaker 1: from a psychological standpoint. So for fifteen twenty five years
Speaker 1: actively in my life, that's where I lived. If you
Speaker 1: was a CRIPT and you was on the other side
Speaker 1: of my enemy, I'm smashing on site. I see you.
Speaker 1: It's on. It takes it back to when I was
Speaker 1: explaining the norm. It's a differentially between game members and
Speaker 1: gang bangers. These sucks today are gang members. For me,
Speaker 1: I came when I grew up my active duty in
Speaker 1: the streets. That's why I'm a veteran. When veteran days
Speaker 1: come around, you're dead right, celebrate because I'm a veteran.
Speaker 1: I survived twenty five active duty years as a gang
Speaker 1: banger purpose a gang banger. So let me break that
Speaker 1: definition down for all the US is out there is
Speaker 1: listening to tv lad for all you gang members. We
Speaker 1: got millions of game members right now today in the millennium.
Speaker 1: And that's what you are. Gang members, your walk ons
Speaker 1: you put on. Somebody told you about a gangster who
Speaker 1: came to they hood and made this day hood. He
Speaker 1: told you that, so that makes it illogical. And now
Speaker 1: did you notice you go tell somebody else, and now
Speaker 1: y'all just start claiming this hood. You become a member.
Speaker 1: Gang bangers or the dudes is going to prison for
Speaker 1: the murders, the robberies, the kidnaps, the bank robberies, the hustling,
Speaker 1: those are gang bankers. Us. When you gang bang, you
Speaker 1: hit up your enemy, You smash on your enemy. Ain't no,
Speaker 1: oh we get alone. We cool ship you gang banging.
Speaker 1: That's where the gang banger is. Right now to day,
Speaker 1: we have more or less gang bangers and more gang members.
Speaker 1: Gang bangers are trying to get out the hood and
Speaker 1: get away man and trying to find another life. Man,
Speaker 1: you don't want to gang bang You sorry he has
Speaker 1: gang members or the individuals in the way of peace.
Speaker 1: You sorry he has gang members or in the way
Speaker 1: of individuals who really want peace, to see peace for
Speaker 1: the future. You motherfucker's are the one to sit away, man,
Speaker 1: because we're in a new era, a new millennium, and
Speaker 1: because us o G s have stood back passed it
Speaker 1: the time like we're supposed to. Just like when our
Speaker 1: big homies in the first generation passing to us like
Speaker 1: me and my jas being for the second generation, we
Speaker 1: had our error. We fall the structure. Don't see the
Speaker 1: difference between us and your millennium, motherfucks is we fall
Speaker 1: the structure. We listened to our big homies. It wasn't
Speaker 1: no old I'm tough for him, I can shoot better
Speaker 1: than him. No, that's the big homie. And the big
Speaker 1: homie was here before me, and evidently he was doing
Speaker 1: some right ship that got him to that level. So
Speaker 1: let me follow his structure, let me follow his lead.
Speaker 1: And that's the difference. So today we have none of
Speaker 1: that ship. There's no structure, there's no unity, there is
Speaker 1: no G code. And it's crazy because you got all
Speaker 1: these cities by coastal. This gang members, including your fake
Speaker 1: ass rappers in the gang gang members and that gang
Speaker 1: bangers you niggas is gang members to the New Range
Speaker 1: and the fake fruity to the ass birdman CEOs and
Speaker 1: all the rest of you fake ass gang members. Man,
Speaker 1: because you niggas know not, go ahead, cut man and
Speaker 1: those out there to know me. I go in and
Speaker 1: can I speak it, I walk it, I talk it,
Speaker 1: and I travel. I'm not known. Oh, just getting on
Speaker 1: this Mike Speaker's mind. And you ain't gonna never see me.
Speaker 1: You said up to see me in your town, in
Speaker 1: your city. I don't care about your goons, your entourage,
Speaker 1: none of that ship. I'm not invisible. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: you gotta bring it. You gotta bring correct if you
Speaker 1: coming the same for the next man. Ain't nobody out
Speaker 1: here invisible? Anybody could be touched and tap man. I
Speaker 1: just speak the truth. I've been living this ship, man,
Speaker 1: so I can speak it. That's a go and in
Speaker 1: your damn show saying it, and a lot of people
Speaker 1: hear you right now. Are they gonna chake to it? Now?
Speaker 1: They don't want to change to it because they want
Speaker 1: to act like this. But my question is how do
Speaker 1: you get the big homies to get on that level
Speaker 1: where you act to to go back to the hood
Speaker 1: and check the gang members. These new cats coming in
Speaker 1: that's destroying everything. Well, it's it's it's a questions pretty much. No,
Speaker 1: not not all, not all the ogs, the gang members,
Speaker 1: the younger generation members, peines bro, every drug that was
Speaker 1: existed in this the late sixties and the early seventies
Speaker 1: for Vietnam invested. We're coming home from the pill Poppa
Speaker 1: to the Heroine, to the lean all that ship was
Speaker 1: established alre in Cz seventies. Man, that was a no
Speaker 1: no to us out in our communities. Black people didn't
Speaker 1: touch that ship. That was a no. Note. The pills,
Speaker 1: the diners of the uppers, that's what I t s
Speaker 1: are grant successors using. Back in the day, they didn't
Speaker 1: do haird rhind and and all this hard ship. Now
Speaker 1: these kids, it's a combination. Don't try one, they do
Speaker 1: it all, or they just look at one video. It's
Speaker 1: called entertainment. Man. I crossed my life over from being
Speaker 1: this known legendary Bonnie Hunter slash former leader to becoming
Speaker 1: a CEO entertainer. And it's called entertainment. Man, We get
Speaker 1: paid to entertain the outside consumers. So what you don't
Speaker 1: understand is when a lot of these fake ass entertainers,
Speaker 1: celebrities and rappers get on here, they're getting paid for
Speaker 1: these endorsements to funk up your mind, funk up your mind,
Speaker 1: set your life, and throw you off for the right
Speaker 1: things that you're supposed to be thinking on and smashing on. Man,
Speaker 1: they throw you into the opposite directions. For prime example,
Speaker 1: a lot of his music, a lot of the stuff,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the message that's been given to
Speaker 1: our communities, in our young youths out here. It's misguided, man,
Speaker 1: That's why y'all fucked up. It takes a man to
Speaker 1: raise a man. A boy can't raise a man man.
Speaker 1: A boy can't turn a man, a boy to a man.
Speaker 1: A woman raised a woman. This is just the way
Speaker 1: it is. So we live in a society now where
Speaker 1: it's warped. It's all designed, it's all predesigned and has warped,
Speaker 1: meaning that we don't have women raising women anymore. We
Speaker 1: got young girls, younger women of the night. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you really want me to go there, business and
Speaker 1: holes raising kids, single moms because there is no fathers,
Speaker 1: their sperm donors. Baby daddy asked niggas who don't want
Speaker 1: to own up to the responsibility a bitter father regards
Speaker 1: to what you and that woman going through or your
Speaker 1: relationship has failed, you still got a responsibility, and that's
Speaker 1: their child, the child I was not getting a chance.
Speaker 1: So what do our children do? We grow up at
Speaker 1: five or six, they member and see everything that's going
Speaker 1: on in that fucked up negative household. So now that
Speaker 1: going your commodity, that next daughter, it's sad. For an example,
Speaker 1: you think you just look around you statistically, what do
Speaker 1: you see? Every picture from a little girl post sideways,
Speaker 1: just like Peter cycle. So to see the cycle got
Speaker 1: to be broken. So when you talk about peace in
Speaker 1: this area and it's time zone, yeah, it seems impossible
Speaker 1: for it to become peace when you got game members
Speaker 1: in a way who had no experience to the real streets.
Speaker 1: Your motherfucker's just millennium walk ons you. You you ain't
Speaker 1: been nowhere, you ain't been there and where it's really
Speaker 1: been down where this ship is real? You feel me?
Speaker 1: So now you got people who really have lived their lives,
Speaker 1: been around they're the one who's the sacrificed bodies that
Speaker 1: you see in these neighborhoods is dropping and losing and
Speaker 1: getting killed with the gun, playing the drive bys. They
Speaker 1: have sacrificed bodies. It ain't the game members. They're bearing
Speaker 1: gang bangers or ex gang bangers who Okay, I decided, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna change my life around. Or his son and
Speaker 1: got shot, but he his daddy didn't retired already. His
Speaker 1: daddy got at least ten years in retirement. Now you're
Speaker 1: gonna shoot the Sun, and Sun ain't even gang banger.
Speaker 1: So it's like, bro, it's it's all funked up. So
Speaker 1: when you try to bring a crewler guys together in
Speaker 1: this element now to bring peace at the individuals who's
Speaker 1: at the table gotta be real thorough leaders. They gotta
Speaker 1: really be individual who have a mouthpiece, who can go
Speaker 1: back to their neighborhood and really make a difference, or
Speaker 1: they ain't gonna play. It's not gonna happen. You can't
Speaker 1: beating them nigger just at the table to them, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm that nigga. Man. Listen, it's a new wave and
Speaker 1: these youngsters it's stay time and their ERAa and they
Speaker 1: got the opportunity and it's they right to run with it.
Speaker 1: However they went around with it. See my my analogy
Speaker 1: is this bro I put in my time. It's just
Speaker 1: like going to wars. Right to to run with it
Speaker 1: and do what they want with it. They don't have
Speaker 1: the right to do it because I disagree. I disagree
Speaker 1: for them to run the mark the way they're doing
Speaker 1: killing people just on GP. No, not in that aspect, OK,
Speaker 1: I agree, because when you see him out there, they
Speaker 1: have no respect for the old gs, just the homies
Speaker 1: in general. So when you got cash and this isn't everything,
Speaker 1: every every neighborhood, So when when these little cats out
Speaker 1: there just just freelancing doing what they want and how
Speaker 1: they want to do it, something something gotta change. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is that's gonna change them, but
Speaker 1: these cats is killing people just for nothing. Well let
Speaker 1: me rephrase that because it wasn't first foremost. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna eat and give them some props like that to
Speaker 1: even glorified. They had the right to just do some
Speaker 1: speaking ship like that. What I mean by is they
Speaker 1: have their right by right because Baton has been passed
Speaker 1: down in their generation, the era to maintain and control
Speaker 1: these communities that they call their hoods, because ain't none
Speaker 1: of this ship our fucking hood. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, broke, we've been fucked up. We see we
Speaker 1: started this ship, and so we repsychologically already sucked up
Speaker 1: about it. Me even then, as a youngster, I knew
Speaker 1: this ain't my hood because I don't own none of
Speaker 1: this ship. But this is my hood because it's in
Speaker 1: my heart. And this is what I was talking as
Speaker 1: a grown man and growing and with growth and knowing
Speaker 1: this man, and then being an owner and ownership outside
Speaker 1: of your neighborhood, knowing this, I own this ship over here,
Speaker 1: this minds. Don't the white man anybody come take this?
Speaker 1: I don't own this over here. I don't own no
Speaker 1: project building, None of us do. So how the fund
Speaker 1: is this our hood? But our hood, it's our hood
Speaker 1: by turf, because this is where we grew up at,
Speaker 1: and this is where they stuck us at from a
Speaker 1: psychological standpoint. So so so so the youngsters today is
Speaker 1: what I mean by right. They have that right to
Speaker 1: take their situation and do certain things as they made,
Speaker 1: but not as they should. They should be doing the
Speaker 1: things that was already established. The blueprint was already done
Speaker 1: with this gang ship man. There was rules already laid
Speaker 1: down with it. And if the rules were stood the
Speaker 1: way it stood, they would be on a whole different level. Guarantee,
Speaker 1: a lot of them would have grew so fast, faster
Speaker 1: than we ever did, because these kids that day way
Speaker 1: smarter double time, and where we were, we were coming up,
Speaker 1: So they would have had a different floor matter, different
Speaker 1: way of looking at that ship to where it probably
Speaker 1: they would have made the games did not even exists
Speaker 1: no more because they would have been that sharp. That's more.
Speaker 1: But instead is the total opposite, you know what I'm saying. So, no,
Speaker 1: they don't have to right to kill and the sisters killing,
Speaker 1: So that takes us back to us. Us has been
Speaker 1: the Ogs first generation, second generation. I've said this to
Speaker 1: a lot of my homies. I said this to my
Speaker 1: homeboys behind the wall as well as out here in
Speaker 1: society in the streets. When it comes to the dangers
Speaker 1: and the buffoonery and a lot of the ship that's
Speaker 1: going on today, when it comes to these neighborhoods, you
Speaker 1: can we we we can't have to. We have to
Speaker 1: step up and be able to say, some of this
Speaker 1: ship is some of our fault. We are hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, follow me. I say it's some
Speaker 1: of our fault, and we are accountable, like you say,
Speaker 1: Mr j is because we laid the blueprint and it
Speaker 1: was a fucking protocol behind his blueprint, and whomever those
Speaker 1: new tenants and those sergeant and arms, and those lasts
Speaker 1: of the soldiers from our generations under us there was left.
Speaker 1: Those are the ones we were supposed to snatch and
Speaker 1: keep grooming so they can put the foot down, the
Speaker 1: boot down on these motherfucking game members and get them
Speaker 1: out the way and keep the ship by protocol like
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be where snitching becomes from him.
Speaker 1: But it's a no note. So with snitching involved, there's
Speaker 1: not much in today's society you're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: do us for us formulating the organizing shit, nothing because
Speaker 1: the man is sitting at the tables wired up. He's
Speaker 1: working for the folks, but he's a shot caller. So
Speaker 1: it's like it's so much that you up against when
Speaker 1: being accountable, you want to speak. That's my point, being accountable, man,
Speaker 1: I think all the older guys because I look at
Speaker 1: it like this half of the ship these little cats
Speaker 1: was doing. I've done it. I was out there doing it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't reckless because me personally, I had a purpose
Speaker 1: of doing what I was doing. When I was gang banging.
Speaker 1: My purpose was to go after anything of that color,
Speaker 1: and that was my thing. That was my thing. That's
Speaker 1: the owner. That's all I wanted to do. That's all
Speaker 1: I did, even if I dressed like him. This was
Speaker 1: my purpose for going out. So cats don't have that mentality.
Speaker 1: They're shooting at anything that that looked like that they wronged.
Speaker 1: So so we everything that they're doing, we did it before.
Speaker 1: Like I look at my nephews, I tell I say,
Speaker 1: so it kind of how can I be mad him
Speaker 1: and they when he saw the ship that they grew
Speaker 1: up watching their uncle's. Now they're trying to be a
Speaker 1: part of the hood and they want to be and
Speaker 1: do what we did. But you can't get that status,
Speaker 1: young man, because it's totally different now and they're doing
Speaker 1: it in a different world fashion than what we did.
Speaker 1: Different now, you know, like like for quick example, we
Speaker 1: like I was just telling know him the other day,
Speaker 1: I said, no, do you know this is how must
Speaker 1: respect gang bangers had from the elder and you mentioned
Speaker 1: him twice. I just want to say Norman as the producer,
Speaker 1: shout out man to my god, Norman still Man. But
Speaker 1: gang bangers are the sixties and the seventies and the
Speaker 1: last of the eighties to the nineties gang bangers and
Speaker 1: that G code had respect for elders. Do you know
Speaker 1: you can see the toughest, hardest gang bangers spot one another,
Speaker 1: but at that second, in that moment, one of those
Speaker 1: dudes grandmother, grandfather may be in the way, so that hit.
Speaker 1: Guess what that here to be called off. They gotta
Speaker 1: pass on Sundays. They didn't even go out gang bang
Speaker 1: on Sundays. They gave it elder than they respect to
Speaker 1: go to church, bro. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was a different G code we lived by as today,
Speaker 1: it ain't no G code. There is no rules, there
Speaker 1: ain't no function. And as far as when ship happened,
Speaker 1: we sit down, we talked about it, we discussed, we
Speaker 1: come up with a game plan. Okay, now we know
Speaker 1: who we gotta go smash something like James. We're just
Speaker 1: saying they just go out shooting anything. You don't even
Speaker 1: know who did what how do you know it was
Speaker 1: them over there? How do you know when all you
Speaker 1: some businesses mixed up together now days so you don't
Speaker 1: know where it's coming from. Then you went out and
Speaker 1: made so many enemies when we again we planted that seed.
Speaker 1: When it comes down to this blood factor man is
Speaker 1: mu thing man first and foremost. I want to say
Speaker 1: for the record, I myself along with cats like James,
Speaker 1: his brother, Rested Peaks, bunch of Yeah, big heroine, c
Speaker 1: j uh, big kind of dog man. The list goes
Speaker 1: on homies, a thunder rested Peace, Bapties, I mean, from
Speaker 1: the Biddy to the Jungles. But we made up this
Speaker 1: motherfucking blood thing man to where we we we put
Speaker 1: this unity together where we were all one unity, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And at that time, during the
Speaker 1: early eighties, I came up to the idea to Bonnar
Speaker 1: rue Man because Bonnie hunters and part Rules has always
Speaker 1: been allies. We've always been broke dogs. So we used
Speaker 1: to skate together hoods, our neighborhoods. We used to go
Speaker 1: from community to community and we party to skate together.
Speaker 1: Every Wednesday. They would come to the Nixon Gym or
Speaker 1: we go to the Loose Park gym. So we were
Speaker 1: really really tighten it, bro. When it came to competent Fruittown,
Speaker 1: Lootis Park and Nixon, we had always been air tightened it, Bro.
Speaker 1: So can you give us a little history about the
Speaker 1: bounty rule, like who started that? And a few homies
Speaker 1: I just named off in the county jail and blood
Speaker 1: Maree during the eighties, Ramsey the Loafs all my homies.
Speaker 1: We were all in jail in prison on our way
Speaker 1: to prison for terrorizing. So we came up with this
Speaker 1: idea because for one, the crips ran the county jail
Speaker 1: in the seventies, Bro, seventies and eighties, you had to
Speaker 1: be a real fucking blood to even do time. So
Speaker 1: this is what a lot of ship. It irks me
Speaker 1: because of what I went through and a lot of
Speaker 1: my homies in my rams. This real bloods that s
Speaker 1: hurts me as today because dude, we cut the path
Speaker 1: for you when the ass fucking as mark as niggas.
Speaker 1: We really had to cut a pad. Niggas was getting fucked, raped, killed,
Speaker 1: slaughtered being a blood going through them county jails because
Speaker 1: crips is really cripping and they wasn't playing and niggas
Speaker 1: was on swollen. Feel me super suall turkey swoll. So,
Speaker 1: how how about you gotta go down the road and
Speaker 1: you talk about your blood and all your anymies down there,
Speaker 1: niggas is seventeen eighteen. It is owned up. Man in
Speaker 1: the arms man, the niggas is crepping. You definitely knew
Speaker 1: what you me. So you got two hosses. You volunteer
Speaker 1: rolled up? Are you go get rolled up? And what's
Speaker 1: getting rolled up? As you go down there and take
Speaker 1: that ass? Will take that rat pack one? Thanks for show.
Speaker 1: They're gonna stint that hard down Your name floats and
Speaker 1: that's how we build our reputations follows you. I keep
Speaker 1: chilling these cats you fold in the county jail or
Speaker 1: at any point of that motherfucking wall when you go
Speaker 1: to prison. All that niggas a bit that nigga folks
Speaker 1: up he ran and pc up from woo who they're
Speaker 1: gonna come with you. And that's what I tell these
Speaker 1: little cats. I just I just uh hit this little cat.
Speaker 1: This little cat he went and shot somebody. Then he
Speaker 1: nanny in jail, nanny talking about shooting his motherfucker on
Speaker 1: his bump. The niggative shot was his home voice, sitting
Speaker 1: over there listening joint. Now this cat is whooping on
Speaker 1: his ass. But you know, I think, Homie, no no,
Speaker 1: and I just sitting a lot of cats up in
Speaker 1: that motherfucker banging like the blow Montre was. Motherfucker. You
Speaker 1: had to be somebody being ready to fight because when
Speaker 1: the gates racked, nigga, you better slide on in there
Speaker 1: and your business or we're gonna we made sit called
Speaker 1: Buster week. Bro. Obviously, we we were sitting back many
Speaker 1: hums again and like this, it's too many bust. See
Speaker 1: this is again. We had rules and all we knew
Speaker 1: was in order for us to be dominant, a dominant force,
Speaker 1: we may be smaller numbers, but then when we move,
Speaker 1: we move it and that's the only way we're gonna
Speaker 1: give respect from the crypts. So that's how we moved
Speaker 1: his bloods no matter what's sets. So we came up
Speaker 1: with this idea. But we don't have Buster Weeks from
Speaker 1: here on every year. I don't give a fun what neighborhood.
Speaker 1: You bet not harvest the nigga to play their favoritism,
Speaker 1: or we're gonna come roll DP y'all up for me.
Speaker 1: So it was rude. So the cats who even ran
Speaker 1: their hoods from the twenties to Batty to the Youngles
Speaker 1: to a p b S to the Nickson to Swans
Speaker 1: to the lowest parts west side part rules. All of
Speaker 1: us were thorough and we played by the rules. If
Speaker 1: one our little homies gout inline that nigga was a buster,
Speaker 1: didn't harvest that nigga going in there, boy, then get
Speaker 1: down and take that fight, man, that show you ain't
Speaker 1: no buster, Tom sick monster. And you used to get
Speaker 1: them shout, and a lot of cats coming there, and
Speaker 1: and and and they they want to be a blood
Speaker 1: you if you came past thetestion. I don't see niggas
Speaker 1: get their ass with with house shoes, get your grass
Speaker 1: up there on the toilet ship like that so that
Speaker 1: now they don't have that down, so it's all so easy.
Speaker 1: And they come there going in and out, but they
Speaker 1: don't have that like they used to have it back
Speaker 1: then that's what they need back. I bet you have
Speaker 1: any motherfucker's gonna be game banging. I don't see a
Speaker 1: lot of these niggas get raped and then come home
Speaker 1: still sacking and their mothers. Well, I would tell people,
Speaker 1: if you look at the statistics in the nineteen eighties
Speaker 1: in terms of homicides, attempt homicides, violent crime, the eighties
Speaker 1: is the most violent decade that has ever seen survived
Speaker 1: Bro to survive through a time frame. When Los Angeles
Speaker 1: we were we were laughed at first and foremost by
Speaker 1: all coastes and East coast, South, the Midwest. Oh them
Speaker 1: dumb assholes over their game. Bang they killing each other.
Speaker 1: We were laughing. And now the whole world memican with
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, the whole entire world, every neighborhood they called
Speaker 1: themselves for hood You're memic in Los Angeles. For the record, Man,
Speaker 1: you didn't had no hoods down there, deep South Carolina,
Speaker 1: North Carolina. You memberic in Los Angeles. You didn't have
Speaker 1: no hoods in n y C. Bro, you memeric in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. And then a lot of these hoods. If
Speaker 1: it wasn't really a real official individual who came to
Speaker 1: the Turfs and these other bike coastal sets and it
Speaker 1: was a real official individual, they don't make your hood official.
Speaker 1: Needs the ship ain't even official. You feel, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you want some internet game banking, So you want some
Speaker 1: internet membership, ship, which is what the whole half of
Speaker 1: the world, in the whole section is off for right now,
Speaker 1: all your motherfucker's Internet members. You're not even street gangers,
Speaker 1: your Internet members. So this is why we have all
Speaker 1: the rookies that we have, man, because there's, like I said,
Speaker 1: gang bangers is trying to get the hell out of
Speaker 1: it or find another way because they're doing all the
Speaker 1: time for the for the real ship that's being done
Speaker 1: out there in the streets. While the gang members glorify
Speaker 1: the ship and get the credit forward, game members are
Speaker 1: the one dropping and fall into going to prison. Man
Speaker 1: and Dine, you know what I'm saying. Now, you mentioned
Speaker 1: all these projects and Watts. Um, Now, if you grew
Speaker 1: up in l A, you know this stuff. But we
Speaker 1: got listeners from all over the world on the Gangster
Speaker 1: Chronicles podcast, and I want to spend a little bit
Speaker 1: of time of talking about how WATTS is physically designed
Speaker 1: and the projects, the housing projects, not just the Nickerson's
Speaker 1: but all four of them. And you you got a
Speaker 1: little background and knowledge of that. Well, let's just say, um,
Speaker 1: I don't want to give two much because a lot
Speaker 1: of the information that I will be speaking on is
Speaker 1: inside my movie. So I need everybody go tap in
Speaker 1: and make sure you why the Truths. When it released,
Speaker 1: Truths America's greatest untold true story and it's about the
Speaker 1: aftermath of the Peace Treaty. Um wats itself. All four
Speaker 1: housing projects was developed based on World War one and
Speaker 1: two man so a lot of those projects. That's why
Speaker 1: they look like army barracks. So all concrete still concrete bricks,
Speaker 1: straight walls, you know everything every war there is not
Speaker 1: a wooden wall or or um what you call um
Speaker 1: uh it's a name for the chalk wall for the
Speaker 1: but there's all concretes. Just put it like this, all
Speaker 1: concrete barrack walls, steal in bricks and so these projects
Speaker 1: are built because during the wars, a lot of the
Speaker 1: mothers who were single moms, who had husbands and sons
Speaker 1: that went off the war. This was their low income
Speaker 1: of way of being able to have housing that was affordable. However,
Speaker 1: it was a twist of FLEXX that came about. And
Speaker 1: again I don't want to get deep into it because
Speaker 1: it's inside my movie. As to how all these hundreds
Speaker 1: and thousands and thousands of blacks got stuck right in Watts,
Speaker 1: right within the community of Watts, because at one point
Speaker 1: in time when Los Angeles opened up, because it was
Speaker 1: so segregated where you know, you had to being Watts.
Speaker 1: There was no going to Compton, South Central Loan Beats
Speaker 1: all white, predominant white. I mean, this is this is
Speaker 1: how a part of the gang structure came about. You know,
Speaker 1: force clicks in the neighborhoods to protect the neighborhoods from
Speaker 1: the white boys who was coming down from Compton from
Speaker 1: the farms, because at that time was all farm lande
Speaker 1: and so they was coming from the farms. They was
Speaker 1: literally beating up black dudes. You know. Uh, just when
Speaker 1: the leather jackets kicked in. You know, so a lot
Speaker 1: of the clicks for them, clicks to protect the communities
Speaker 1: be long before games came about. So um, the Nickerson
Speaker 1: was actually birth. It's one thousand, sixty six units, have
Speaker 1: the biggest housing units the developed in in the state
Speaker 1: of the Los Angeles period. It's one thousand and sixty
Speaker 1: six units. Then you have the Jordan Downs which was
Speaker 1: developed in nineteen fifty four, and then you have the
Speaker 1: first project that was developed. Again I don't want to
Speaker 1: spill too much of this information because it's inside my film.
Speaker 1: But hy Santa Villas was the first housing projects that
Speaker 1: was built period before the Jordan Downs to Nixon or
Speaker 1: Imperial Courts. The Villas was born and it was birth
Speaker 1: in ninety four. So that's from Compton Avenue to Imperial
Speaker 1: Highway to Wimberton to ninety nine and Alameda from the
Speaker 1: back of the industrials. Those are the segment points of
Speaker 1: all four major housing projects. They all climberate together. They're
Speaker 1: like not even a half a mile to mile apart.
Speaker 1: You have the Jordan Downs across the tracks were separates,
Speaker 1: the Jordan Downs and the Perial Courts is the tracks.
Speaker 1: The tracks has always divided all four housing projects, and
Speaker 1: that's the separation now. I was. I drove there a
Speaker 1: few months ago and I noticed they were tearing down
Speaker 1: some of the Jordan's Downs and they were building these
Speaker 1: nice looking quote unquote condos. Don't go there, please, don't
Speaker 1: go there. Please, whatever you do, whatever you do, please
Speaker 1: don't go there. E and use that word. They were
Speaker 1: building something nice. They come out here. Take it over
Speaker 1: a smart one, you know. I did a video about this.
Speaker 1: When I went, I took a whole little camera crew
Speaker 1: over there, and we talked about how it's getting gentrified.
Speaker 1: In fact, I'm gonna tell you what is some of
Speaker 1: the most valuable land in Los Angeles, because one it's
Speaker 1: a B line of downtown l A. And it's a
Speaker 1: bee line to the airport, and it's like the central
Speaker 1: it's one of the best central locations. So yeah, these
Speaker 1: people want Watts. They want to own Wats, they want
Speaker 1: to take over Wats. How about that in fifty years
Speaker 1: I even said, for fifty years from now watch and look,
Speaker 1: we ain't gonna recognize that something that was us. They
Speaker 1: gave that to us, that was us. Now they want
Speaker 1: to back this. The crazy part about it, a black
Speaker 1: couple the Wats is how Watson was developed. They one
Speaker 1: to bought the land, the Watch. They're the one. That's
Speaker 1: how Watson was developed. It was a black couple. So
Speaker 1: now it was like they gave that to us as
Speaker 1: our reparation. Okay, y'all, this is y'all the w putty
Speaker 1: this way. Listen, a real quick historical point. Again, I
Speaker 1: don't want to give away too much because this the
Speaker 1: ship is vital. But the reason why the w is
Speaker 1: a w before anything existed in this city of Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Everything that came south or the border on the train
Speaker 1: had to stop and get off. In Watch you couldn't
Speaker 1: take your ways downtown or as a rat, so you
Speaker 1: had to get off. And everybody coming from Texas, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: South Carolina, Alabama, Little Rock, our parents, everything that was
Speaker 1: descending from the South staged in watts And that's how,
Speaker 1: it's a reason how they all got stuck. You feel me,
Speaker 1: and you gotta you gotta see the movie in order
Speaker 1: to find that out. You know, I was like a
Speaker 1: hundred years ago when Wattson is all black and now
Speaker 1: here we are. They want it back. They want it back,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna come for Compton to James Women. They
Speaker 1: already started. Yeah, they're changing part of Compton little by little.
Speaker 1: Yeah Rancho Google manga. Yeah, they changing. They changing by
Speaker 1: sections though, they're putting up new lights and building new homes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's the Yeah, it's all the
Speaker 1: game plan. But it's a trip out. Like you said,
Speaker 1: they kind of gave blacks this land because they didn't
Speaker 1: want them going to the West side. They didn't want
Speaker 1: them going downtown. So here's your place. Watts. But here
Speaker 1: we are a hundred years later. Um, we want watch back,
Speaker 1: and I wish, I wish I could go into I
Speaker 1: know my directors listening right now. Shout out to Drew backaack,
Speaker 1: you know what saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Basket, Dwayne Snipe, Holmes,
Speaker 1: Dorel's that's my cash man. Shout out to my team,
Speaker 1: Uh Andrew, But yeah, man, I really I would love
Speaker 1: to give you guys a direct insiders the reason why
Speaker 1: to watch the film. Man, you just mentioned reason. You
Speaker 1: just mentioned Snipe, Um his cousin. It was part of
Speaker 1: a very monumental moment in Watt's history. Well you go
Speaker 1: ahead tell the death of Pico, Well the death of
Speaker 1: her repeat, rest in peace. Man, It's what again, Gray
Speaker 1: Street and the pj's were in a very very vital
Speaker 1: tid war in the last of the eighties when they
Speaker 1: were allies. They actually went together against us as one
Speaker 1: point of time as well as Um you got the
Speaker 1: first time my fits. You know, you got to have
Speaker 1: game Watts front Streets, so everything. All those guys were allies,
Speaker 1: all of them, they all got along at one point
Speaker 1: side all allies, but the Jordan Downs and the pj's
Speaker 1: were the major umbrella over all the rest of those
Speaker 1: cripts from Watts, so Gray Street and Pj's had a
Speaker 1: big falling autum and my guy rested peace. Tony Bogard
Speaker 1: arrestued peace. Tony Bogard was a major factor over there
Speaker 1: in imperial courts, which was behind the water took place.
Speaker 1: The young baby Loves came through and chopped him up
Speaker 1: like the bonding man man. They had to put him
Speaker 1: back together like the bonding man man. So Tony Bogo
Speaker 1: after that he went on one. So all his soldiers
Speaker 1: he sent them, so it was niggas was at it. Now.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile us that takes a lot of the weight out
Speaker 1: for us. Well, okay, ship we we can take a
Speaker 1: break now. We don't kick back statics there because and
Speaker 1: now one of them niggas in our way because they
Speaker 1: at each other. But then, of course, us being who
Speaker 1: we were when I say us the bunny on us
Speaker 1: not Torios Nicks and going bunny h us, we we
Speaker 1: took advantage of that time. We were smashing on both
Speaker 1: sets because we knew they was into it, so we
Speaker 1: were smash. The mortal story is that Tony Bogard being
Speaker 1: a part of that war, and then Henry Pico was
Speaker 1: the statics at the time to growing up in the pj's.
Speaker 1: So when Henry's death came about, just before his death
Speaker 1: came about sister the Home Girls sister from p Z
Speaker 1: as mother Teresa, which is the homie snipe Dwayne Holmes mother.
Speaker 1: They were already having these underground meetings of how can
Speaker 1: they bring peace and monks theirselves just forwards the Jordan
Speaker 1: Downs and the Perial courts, so Darusharell's and the Keel
Speaker 1: and all them. Again, it was a part of that movement.
Speaker 1: So that movement collided toward us as well eventually, because
Speaker 1: they was like, we gotta get the knicks in the
Speaker 1: board in order to even put this ship together. We
Speaker 1: got to get them involved, but first let's deal with us.
Speaker 1: So they were dealing with their selves. So that's why
Speaker 1: it started a year prior before ninety two and starting
Speaker 1: the ninety one, so they started having these underground meetings
Speaker 1: trying to get their shipped together. Then finally what was
Speaker 1: the pivot point of it was Herry Pico's death for
Speaker 1: rest of peace because something had to happen at a
Speaker 1: at a real real Dragg Dregg um too much dramatic
Speaker 1: moment to bring the community together, not a gang banging moment.
Speaker 1: I were this gang leader over here, this gang leader
Speaker 1: over here, this individual over here got hit, so that
Speaker 1: bought people together. No, it had to be a real moment.
Speaker 1: And that moment was all of us. When I say
Speaker 1: all of us, all four housing projects, was fed up
Speaker 1: and tied them crooked ass cops anyway, because was killed
Speaker 1: by the police. Are the police. So when that happened
Speaker 1: with the L A p D. It was a fed
Speaker 1: up moment, like fuck these motherfucker's man. And see, we
Speaker 1: grew up in I Ever, in our time, we weren't
Speaker 1: scared of the police. That the police knew they had. Hell,
Speaker 1: they knew you couldn't coming in the communities and just
Speaker 1: do anything back then because they know the community wasn't
Speaker 1: going for that ship there, Rocky call up do all
Speaker 1: kinds of ship back then. Then you look up, you
Speaker 1: should be chained up to a light post man. We
Speaker 1: were together with junity. Nowadays, you can take one of
Speaker 1: the skinny as putey as punk white wait police from
Speaker 1: two buck two pretty been a uniform he can built
Speaker 1: through all these neighborhoods and everybody around. What kind of
Speaker 1: shit is that? I thought we were game bangers? Well,
Speaker 1: what are you running from one, right, boy? Waiting from
Speaker 1: your neighborhood, you know what I'm saying. So it's like
Speaker 1: with that, Pico's death sparked up interest in the community.
Speaker 1: So now Great Street and p J's they got they
Speaker 1: they bought their ship together immediately. So now they came
Speaker 1: towards the Nixon toward us. So that's when they spearheaded
Speaker 1: my Big Homy Donny Boy, because Donnie Boys an organizer
Speaker 1: from the hood, Big Hank as well, and Big Bobby
Speaker 1: Bobby Busby. So once say howder the them, the Big
Speaker 1: Hank told him, all right, let me uh, let me
Speaker 1: how to feel my young homies man, that I know
Speaker 1: this actively out here in the street to represent our hood.
Speaker 1: That we need to holder them and pour them me
Speaker 1: at first, because if they're not a part of it,
Speaker 1: they're gonna be the ones that's gonna structure and keep
Speaker 1: the youngers out here. And I was one of them.
Speaker 1: So I got the phone call from my relative, Big
Speaker 1: head Man that they was having a meeting at the massage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, brother, who having a meeting? He said, you
Speaker 1: ain't heard, he said, did the Great Streets and the
Speaker 1: Pj's many getting together are talking about p I said,
Speaker 1: but we're having no motherfucker peace treaty. Nigga out your mind?
Speaker 1: Do you know such success just got killed last money?
Speaker 1: We just had the very man we I wish I
Speaker 1: would catch one of the niggas over there. We're in
Speaker 1: the meeting, he said. The more I was out of town,
Speaker 1: I flew home. I went up there about fifteen in
Speaker 1: my homies. We marched up in a bit strapped up.
Speaker 1: So when I got to the door, brother moves out.
Speaker 1: He was asking me to take my shoes. Somebody taking
Speaker 1: my motherfuck shoes all blood. I just walked straight on
Speaker 1: their door. So my homies fall up pursuit. Now we're
Speaker 1: in the minds. When I walked in the mins, I
Speaker 1: literally could see p J. Watts on the left, Great
Speaker 1: Streets on the right. Few hat gangs sprinkled over here
Speaker 1: in a few front streets over here, just a few,
Speaker 1: but primarily Pj's and drawing downs. And when I looked,
Speaker 1: I've seen the least seven and eight of my rivals
Speaker 1: that I need to put hands on right now. Why
Speaker 1: I got the opportunity because I may not catch these
Speaker 1: niggas again. I need this and I ain't talking about this,
Speaker 1: no fade. We demonesting these niggas right now. So I
Speaker 1: spoke on that moment even when I got up to
Speaker 1: the speak in the mic, because I sit back for
Speaker 1: a minute, this to cast speak, and that's where it
Speaker 1: really kind of sparked my interest because I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I just heard a big nose punch. He'll get up
Speaker 1: there and speak, man, And this nigga is a rider.
Speaker 1: He's a real crip. D drawing down baby loads Puncho
Speaker 1: is a real crip. I said, this hurt his nigget
Speaker 1: up and speaking. He's talking about peace. Oh shoot, they
Speaker 1: got Darci all over there, but these niggs, it's crimps.
Speaker 1: And I know him. I gave bank to get some
Speaker 1: going up, so I'm like, hold up, it may kind
Speaker 1: of be interesting. So now moves like he putting me
Speaker 1: on the spot. Brother beach, would you like to speak? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna speaking. Home by I got out, said listen man,
Speaker 1: I said, how the hell we're gonna have peace when
Speaker 1: deaths just occurred. So basically I started speaking and ask
Speaker 1: the questions and questions was answered upon those time frames
Speaker 1: as to this is why we're trying to stop in
Speaker 1: and seize it, bro, and we need a brother like
Speaker 1: you on on on a board man. So yeah, bro.
Speaker 1: So that moment, at that time, I said, well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you all right now at home, boy, straight up,
Speaker 1: I said, I came into motherfucking man to catch bodies.
Speaker 1: Straight up, I said, me and my homies, we're coming
Speaker 1: as mother for the straight up knocked down heads and
Speaker 1: catch bodies. Because half you niggers already know, man, what's
Speaker 1: been took place, what your motherfucker nigg has been done,
Speaker 1: and your reputations on. Boy, So for us to just
Speaker 1: swallow that, I don't. I don't know, man, but this
Speaker 1: is some real ship right here. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I saw, I'm gonna respect the meeting today, my niggas.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna respect that. I'm gonna stand down. I respect
Speaker 1: the meeting, I said, Man moved here, and Donnie big
Speaker 1: un y'a gotta give me a little time. Man, let
Speaker 1: me thank on this, let me contemplate. So me and
Speaker 1: my niggas we left, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: we got on kicked back talk to to more ready
Speaker 1: big hit, you know, a couple of other homies, my
Speaker 1: homeboy Frankie Hood because Hud was with me, he is
Speaker 1: one of the Castle was with me and uh talk
Speaker 1: to the homies and I just like, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to voice see what their opinion was like. Because the
Speaker 1: hardest thing about bringing peace to any community is when
Speaker 1: you take your leadership and you put your leadership on
Speaker 1: the line. Because now what that does and make others
Speaker 1: look at you in a certain way because you ain't
Speaker 1: that that devil, that badass nigger that you was that
Speaker 1: when you hit the corner. Oh old, more is coming
Speaker 1: now you you you you turning your life over. You're
Speaker 1: trying to change, to become something different, so people start
Speaker 1: looking at your different way. So the hardest ship for
Speaker 1: me when I turned over the leaf to agree with
Speaker 1: peace treaty and become a part of that advocate, being
Speaker 1: a real advocate and really solid win it. Like I
Speaker 1: ain't even play no favoritism. Rules is rules because anything
Speaker 1: and I'm a part of I played by the rules.
Speaker 1: So I ain't even let one of my little homies
Speaker 1: go over there just done and they and I know
Speaker 1: he did this, not know about it and not played
Speaker 1: by the rules. No rules is rules, boy, we have nothing.
Speaker 1: We're not we're not setting the Standardgico. Then, so I
Speaker 1: played by the rules. So a lot of cats didn't
Speaker 1: play by those rules who were in positions. They were
Speaker 1: still playing under the table, playing favoritism sit right here
Speaker 1: in the meeting. But they sent a niggas because they infiltrate.
Speaker 1: So it was a lot we had to deal with.
Speaker 1: So for me, the hardest part was taking my reputation,
Speaker 1: which is solid right now today, just like it was then.
Speaker 1: I have no schmut. I don't think he said about me?
Speaker 1: Is that nigga's grimy, he's crazy, he's the head bust.
Speaker 1: You can say all all you want, all the names above,
Speaker 1: but you will not call me snitch. You will not say, oh,
Speaker 1: this nigga ran out on these niggas you did, dizzy boy,
Speaker 1: They never happened. Straight up. I know when they say
Speaker 1: the last of the dime breed, I am a part
Speaker 1: of that dime breed. Man. I noticed for living fact,
Speaker 1: like I tell all these young things all the time,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna live to tell my own damn stories. You
Speaker 1: fee what I'm saying, straight up, man, Alright, so you
Speaker 1: got this film coming out in I know your people
Speaker 1: don't really want you to devote too much information, But
Speaker 1: what's different about the story that you're telling to that
Speaker 1: we should definitely go check it out because we've heard
Speaker 1: so many stories about the gang, truths, all of that.
Speaker 1: What separates the truth and what makes it different just
Speaker 1: because it's the truth, it's the actual origin of how
Speaker 1: this ship always stablished, how I start? Okay, who really
Speaker 1: put the truth together? All the questions asked by people
Speaker 1: like where did did it started in the l A.
Speaker 1: You know, it didn't, or it started itself since it
Speaker 1: was in comfortable, or it didn't brothers and wait started
Speaker 1: to choose. So this movie, it actually gives that the
Speaker 1: community in which I'm from, all those guys who were involved,
Speaker 1: as well as females and males, from parents to the children.
Speaker 1: It gives that actual community their props, their significant props
Speaker 1: in that moment for twelve years, because we didn't only
Speaker 1: save lives, we knocked down the crime way bro feel
Speaker 1: we see, we were so up against it. The police
Speaker 1: came to us. Man one particular POETIM again, I want
Speaker 1: to put his name out think because it's in the film,
Speaker 1: but he told Ikeys surreals. Ikea said, man, ain't you
Speaker 1: glad that the peace treaty? Goddamn mine? Am I glad
Speaker 1: that y'all having a peace treaty? He said, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. I put my kids through college through
Speaker 1: y'all factory. I get paid sixty thousand, some thousand dollars
Speaker 1: extra just for overtime for babysitting you assholes. You think
Speaker 1: I want to see y'all going peace? And that's the
Speaker 1: true moment, true. I ain't no made up story to
Speaker 1: a mode to to o g S two the hombies,
Speaker 1: Tony Bogart, my homeboy camp Dog. They're sitting back, kicking
Speaker 1: back in the cut, chilling smokes and Bood just doing
Speaker 1: the peace tree origin. Two real niggers from different neighborhoods
Speaker 1: getting some money together, two real ones. They sit there
Speaker 1: and Witten's the police rode through the neighborhood and do
Speaker 1: a fucking drive by with flagsz one eyeball witness. We
Speaker 1: knew it was going on, but we didn't have no
Speaker 1: perdent evidence just yet. Too bad the cell phones was
Speaker 1: now back. We had so many law suits. Hommies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you but I've heard stories. I've heard these
Speaker 1: a million times. The police they would instigate conflict because
Speaker 1: they didn't want to support it. If you win that war,
Speaker 1: they would take you and then just save you from
Speaker 1: nickers and they'll take you into Jordan downs from the hood.
Speaker 1: They didn't take you to sent Tanna and and then
Speaker 1: drop you off and there get of the things. Ship
Speaker 1: we got some's old school, ain't no movie ship. That's
Speaker 1: that's their politics of making sure that that throwing stayed
Speaker 1: the way it is. So they participated. You had crypt police,
Speaker 1: then you had blood police. For me, they was actually
Speaker 1: blood police. They come to theirborhood. They favorite the bloods,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna bring an enemy over the dumping right
Speaker 1: on off in the neighborhood. They know this is rude, man,
Speaker 1: this invition mean that dude, They what's gonna happenhen they
Speaker 1: kill him? You know what I'm saying. But they know
Speaker 1: and didn't care. So we had to deal with so
Speaker 1: much man. So again what I what I was saying
Speaker 1: and putting out there for me, that was the hardest
Speaker 1: part of my life at that time was taking that
Speaker 1: stand to become that man to say, you know what
Speaker 1: I've been wearing this red devil suit man since the
Speaker 1: early seventies. I said, when my parents died, I became
Speaker 1: the devil himself. Here it. I went all out and
Speaker 1: I stayed active for twenty twenty six years. I'm telling
Speaker 1: about straight consistently. So I earned that name, and that's
Speaker 1: what people saw me up in the streets. He the devil.
Speaker 1: And I was proud of that ship once upon the
Speaker 1: time of my life because that's who I was. But
Speaker 1: now I got my wings. Hon't me for me. I
Speaker 1: had flipped all that ship around, gave my heart, my
Speaker 1: life to God. Uh flipped the script, went back to
Speaker 1: school to take my degrees, and you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying to entertainment, Uh invested my own money into my
Speaker 1: own businesses and things of that nature. Man. So I
Speaker 1: put this film together so that it would be able
Speaker 1: to show America the historical points of Watts, the birth
Speaker 1: of Watts, the birth of the after math for the
Speaker 1: peace Treaty, and all the individuals who were involved and
Speaker 1: how they saved lives consectly for twelve straight years, no crimes,
Speaker 1: all the crime rate, everything dropped in our community, I
Speaker 1: mean dropped, and even from it being a dominant effect
Speaker 1: to throughout the city. Crimes race dropped in the city, Compton,
Speaker 1: long Beat, South Shister, they dropped statistically. They did not
Speaker 1: want the news to hear that ship, and they did
Speaker 1: not play it. They did not play the ship in
Speaker 1: um sexist for people to hear it, radio, radio, airplane, none,
Speaker 1: that because they didn't want the people to hear that.
Speaker 1: That was too positive for That was the Darrel Gates
Speaker 1: right at the end of the That was too positive
Speaker 1: for the community. And he was one of the probably,
Speaker 1: you know, worst police chiefs we've ever had in the field.
Speaker 1: You know, um, you know, it's crazy to I end
Speaker 1: up meeting that dude. I met him in seven check
Speaker 1: ship this out. He had to quit. And after he
Speaker 1: quit and I used to say all these terrible things
Speaker 1: about him, He's the most racist chief. And then one
Speaker 1: day he hits me up. He's got a radio show
Speaker 1: called The Police Connection, so he hits me. I was like, hey, Alex,
Speaker 1: I want you to come on our show. I'm like,
Speaker 1: let's do it. I'm I'm about to square off with
Speaker 1: the former chief of the l a p D. When
Speaker 1: I got to talk to this old man, I swear
Speaker 1: to God, man, this guy was one of the nicest
Speaker 1: mother efforts that I had ever met. And I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: you supposed to yeah, but I said, no, you ain't.
Speaker 1: You ain't gonna trick me this time. You ain't tricking me.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I didn't know he was gonna be this nice.
Speaker 1: But we ain't gonna forget about your record, though. We
Speaker 1: got to talk about your record. But then he passed
Speaker 1: a few years a few years after that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the tail end of one of the worst
Speaker 1: police periods we've ever had. So you got him in
Speaker 1: the movie, and I'm glad you got him at called
Speaker 1: There's a Bunch of Monkeys. Yeah, he just say they
Speaker 1: asked him a question. Now I can't say that. Well,
Speaker 1: what I'll say is that he is the protege of
Speaker 1: William Parker. William Parker was the chief of nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: and he came in there hiring Southern whites, bringing them
Speaker 1: from Alabama, Mississippi into police. Okay, so if you know
Speaker 1: William Parker's racist history, he was his driver. Daryl g
Speaker 1: was William Parker's driver. So basically, when we got Gates
Speaker 1: for I don't know, fifteen years, we basically got William Parker.
Speaker 1: We got a little a baby was Yeah, we got
Speaker 1: little William Parker. He's never been successful with just anybody
Speaker 1: up under your in your cabinet. You have to pick
Speaker 1: and choose who you want, who you know gonna be
Speaker 1: there and gonna listen to you and gonna gonna take
Speaker 1: that fall for you. And that's what he did. He
Speaker 1: got all when when he got all his people that
Speaker 1: was down for the ride. Oh, we've been knock these
Speaker 1: monkeys and and and let it roll, and that's what
Speaker 1: they did. But then at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: like after the ride, they bashing him because he wouldn't
Speaker 1: setting nobody in because he was scared to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: things start to change after the day because he was
Speaker 1: he was sucking up big time, and you know, people
Speaker 1: starting to get him. And the mayor, Mayor Bradley, the
Speaker 1: first black mayor of l A, the only black man.
Speaker 1: Let They weren't even talking. They didn't even have a communication.
Speaker 1: The mayor and the chief of police don't even like
Speaker 1: each other. May Bradley, Mary Bradley put a bounty out
Speaker 1: on my head. In three put a bounty on out
Speaker 1: on my head. And my homie Ramsey may k big
Speaker 1: Hook and a few other j's. Man, you know we
Speaker 1: it's called Shootout on the Pier Highways. That's an upcoming
Speaker 1: movie I got that I'm working on right now and
Speaker 1: products his three part mini series Man and it's called
Speaker 1: Shootout on the Pier of Highways, based on a truth star.
Speaker 1: It's based on my life, Me and about seventeen of
Speaker 1: my homies out the projects. It was ended up being
Speaker 1: my crimes. And what happened was we went to war.
Speaker 1: I took about thirty two Bonnie hundred of war Man.
Speaker 1: We went to war three days and three nights with
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Cheffs, slash l A, p d S Detectives
Speaker 1: and undercoversum. Because the Hawkins family killed my little homeboy,
Speaker 1: live boy Tony Uh. The brother by the name of
Speaker 1: James Hawkins, which was a beast. His nigga was a
Speaker 1: monster back then. You feel me. He was a real
Speaker 1: third killer. He wasn't no punk by a long shot.
Speaker 1: This nigga was a real hitter. He was already on
Speaker 1: the street for knocking down the police. He was on
Speaker 1: the run for San Francisco for breaking out of San Quentin,
Speaker 1: So he had a lot of anger build up. Somehow
Speaker 1: him and my little homie lb Tony Eminem and it's
Speaker 1: Nigga Cody. They was messing around on the period of hustling,
Speaker 1: getting some money and they end up going to the
Speaker 1: arcade across the street, which is the Hawkins, and dude
Speaker 1: took a sad off shot gunn and stuck it in
Speaker 1: my little homeboy's chest and blew his harder. And at
Speaker 1: that time this is what like the Ntason Harding shooting.
Speaker 1: When Tupac was talking about the little girl. The old
Speaker 1: man with his daddy, that's who shot the little girl
Speaker 1: from Carver Park and killed her, not even a year
Speaker 1: prior to before they killed my homie. So when they
Speaker 1: shot when ours in our community, that set us off.
Speaker 1: We ain't having this ship, y'all. They ain't going down
Speaker 1: like that. So I was. I was some where sitting
Speaker 1: down getting my head, Brady Man, and when the world
Speaker 1: came to me, they just killed little Tony Rinsey looking
Speaker 1: for you. So I went and met up with my homies,
Speaker 1: and I'm from Bonnie Hunters and my homies and a
Speaker 1: lot boys. You know, it's just a difference between a
Speaker 1: Lot boys and Bonnie Hunters. I'm riginally I'm a original
Speaker 1: of the Bonnie Hunter than REGGI is one of the
Speaker 1: founders a lot boys. You know what I'm saying, Big hoog,
Speaker 1: big low for Rest, you know, uh tc, rest in peace,
Speaker 1: my homie Scoop, rest in peace. There was my my
Speaker 1: g lot boy homies right there. The foe was really
Speaker 1: g Lot boy hommies. So when when the homie hotted
Speaker 1: at me, we want to formulate a crew, and I
Speaker 1: wondered how to field the Bunny Hunter homies and told him, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get out with the homies. Dog put working
Speaker 1: and they just killed the homies. So we we went
Speaker 1: to shmash basically, and they turned into a shootout three
Speaker 1: days and three nights with the sheriff. However, we didn't
Speaker 1: know we were in two with the police. The first night.
Speaker 1: We're thinking they just wanted got more family members and
Speaker 1: Barry Kenny they set in their house. But all the
Speaker 1: time it was sharp shooters snipers. Feel me because a
Speaker 1: couple of my homies got shot. My homie m and
Speaker 1: then got a patch knocked out his ass, got shot
Speaker 1: in the ass olterally had passed knocked out his ass.
Speaker 1: So you know, another one of my homies got shot,
Speaker 1: so it was like it was something that really very serious.
Speaker 1: So it became a real popular, uh kangaroo case where
Speaker 1: they had us in kangaroo court the CCB. So PBS
Speaker 1: end up buying the rights and they put a story
Speaker 1: to it. So when we're in the county jail, they
Speaker 1: interviewed us, and at this time, I'm not really aware
Speaker 1: of what's going on. So now over the years, by
Speaker 1: me being a filmmaker and getting into film, I started
Speaker 1: doing my research and then my asks. At that time,
Speaker 1: she she was like and she said, you know about
Speaker 1: shootout on the pier how because she was on the
Speaker 1: internet research and year was that? By the way, Oh,
Speaker 1: so PBS did a two part series on us on TV,
Speaker 1: took our interviews us, a cor and everything, and shot
Speaker 1: it and aired it on TV. So we never knew this,
Speaker 1: so we never ate got no way off. What I
Speaker 1: did was I did the research, so I went in
Speaker 1: and I bought it. I obtained the rights to it,
Speaker 1: so I owned the story because the story is us.
Speaker 1: They don't own the rights to the story. So I
Speaker 1: wrote the story. So I ended up writing the script
Speaker 1: to and everything and the storyline to it. So now
Speaker 1: it's a three part mini series, and I'm developing to
Speaker 1: put together to put out Roads based on a true
Speaker 1: story shoot out on the Pier Highway. Man, Well, you know,
Speaker 1: I got a theory that the l a p d
Speaker 1: has a shoot first policy when they're coming to the Nickersons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's always been I think it had to happen first,
Speaker 1: and nobody's really investigating, like the Southeast Division for just
Speaker 1: being there. They're just they're just going there and just
Speaker 1: start busting and there's and this goes back to the seventies.
Speaker 1: If you do your research, police been killing unarmed brothers
Speaker 1: in the Nickerson Gardens going back to the seventies. And
Speaker 1: remember the one where the where the Homers was on
Speaker 1: the roof and they were just popping. And a lot
Speaker 1: of people say, man, that these guys must be so
Speaker 1: evil to shoot at the police. But what they don't
Speaker 1: understand is that the police been coming through there for
Speaker 1: decades just busting some When those brothers was on the
Speaker 1: top of the projects busting back. I said, this is
Speaker 1: a result of all the oppression. It was just that
Speaker 1: it was this man, it came with the territory. That's
Speaker 1: what we were supposed to been doing. Man, protecting our community.
Speaker 1: You can't just coming here and just dog our elders out,
Speaker 1: dog out people out, and just do what the funk
Speaker 1: you want to do. And we gang bangers were claiming
Speaker 1: this turf that we're gonna protect this turf once again.
Speaker 1: I am the founder, Me and my homeboy Google, right,
Speaker 1: Big Google just got out of doing twenties six twenty
Speaker 1: seven years. Another another g homy from the hood, a
Speaker 1: great brother, smart, intelligent, my homeboy Bolo, Big Bolo. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Me, I Google and my homeboy
Speaker 1: Philip Thornton. We were out late night and we were
Speaker 1: surfacing the neighborhood and at this time, you know this
Speaker 1: cat ain't Bone Rest in peace from Jordan Downs was
Speaker 1: one main hitters over there. He was one of the
Speaker 1: shock callers, so he was on top of our list.
Speaker 1: We get to this dude that that knocks our points
Speaker 1: spread up before as our reputation, so I was always
Speaker 1: on his head. Any time I've seen Bone, I don't
Speaker 1: care what. And he was like party five or seven
Speaker 1: or eight, nine years older than me. So any time
Speaker 1: I've seen him, any of the Brims, the Phillip Days,
Speaker 1: any of them cats immediately when we see them red
Speaker 1: light on. It's on. Now when you say when not
Speaker 1: talking about blood, Yeah, the brams for me, real crips.
Speaker 1: So any of them dudes, it was on on site,
Speaker 1: wasn't no give him a pass? Hold up and let's
Speaker 1: talked about it its own site period. So just just
Speaker 1: coming from that element and just being in that environment
Speaker 1: and being a part of that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: To survive it, it's it's you know, to survive those
Speaker 1: eighties and the element of the eighties to wear world
Speaker 1: and not just wats. It was Compton Loan Beach, not
Speaker 1: so much Loan Beach at that time, but definitely Compton
Speaker 1: South Central, Watts the Bottoms bro You couldn't walk outside,
Speaker 1: walk down the street with no fucking colors on. It
Speaker 1: was unheard of. Motherfucker, right right up and jump right out.
Speaker 1: Where are you from? What me? Come? Where you from?
Speaker 1: And you got on whatever colors it is. That's how
Speaker 1: serious gang banging was, and that's the way it was done.
Speaker 1: So in that error to come out of its vibra,
Speaker 1: and I'd have been here, I'd have been knocked down
Speaker 1: three times different three cases, shot in the face of
Speaker 1: my head right here forty four. I got here with
Speaker 1: the K two times, and I'm saying I saw it
Speaker 1: right from my tiple and my fabruler and uh, the
Speaker 1: staff been in the penitentially stabbed up a couple of times. Boocoo,
Speaker 1: ship load of riots. You know what, I'm sending me prison,
Speaker 1: real riots and where it was fight to death? What? No, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's some play place ship real Domestican mafias ain't playing
Speaker 1: with us. They trying to knock our head off. So
Speaker 1: we need to come together, man, and can join do
Speaker 1: what we do when we do come together as a force,
Speaker 1: we smashed. So I been down that path with the
Speaker 1: ridders of the rutners man, Mr James a K mob
Speaker 1: James my homie thirty years plus. It better, man. We
Speaker 1: didn't been behind the walls, real walls, saying Quentin folsome
Speaker 1: Tracy bro. It was a time we couldn't go to
Speaker 1: Tracy because the crypts took over there was it flipped.
Speaker 1: Soon you got off a bus, you got to put
Speaker 1: work in in orientation. That's the only way you get
Speaker 1: rolled up, or you getting rolled up, you're gonna vot
Speaker 1: telepoint or hey, I'm a blood That ship going on
Speaker 1: your record. See what ship you couldn't hide because the
Speaker 1: convicts we ran this that paper you right now, We
Speaker 1: ran the paperwork game. See what no computers? Everything was
Speaker 1: paperwork game. So what you're gonna hide because the captains
Speaker 1: in the office, that's one of the home boys. Or
Speaker 1: we go pay the the end boy, the rand brother boy,
Speaker 1: white boy, we paid for the information. We go pay.
Speaker 1: But the convicts ran that ship. And that's why snitching
Speaker 1: was prohibitive, bro, because there was nowhere around it. But
Speaker 1: nowhere around it. Say you seeing that they knew this,
Speaker 1: and you know what, polies would lie saying we'll protect
Speaker 1: you maybe like ship, how are you gonna protect my mama?
Speaker 1: How are you gonna stop them from killing my brother?
Speaker 1: And my brother been from the hood to he did nothing.
Speaker 1: People knew this because those were the rules. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, without through standard rules and those rules
Speaker 1: being broken, man, that should it never been back to
Speaker 1: where it was. It's society's way comfortable with telling. They
Speaker 1: think that ship is righteous. They think that's the way
Speaker 1: they now for a person who when I hear rape
Speaker 1: some little kids, side of minds some kids and did wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't condone the rapist. My whole thing is certain
Speaker 1: ship is manya business. That didn't have nothing to do
Speaker 1: with you. Manya domn business. You gotta cry me your crime.
Speaker 1: You didn't get caught. What is your podcast doing telling
Speaker 1: the people the whole case? And they didn't even ask you,
Speaker 1: didn't even ask you about the case. They caught you
Speaker 1: for something. You got busted though you said, well, you
Speaker 1: know me and my whole boy, we'd rob We don't
Speaker 1: want to, did they robbery and Jude? Wait? Wait wait,
Speaker 1: robbery of Jude? They go straight to their fast said, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got that on the close case file, but it's
Speaker 1: a cold case. We didn't. Thanks gonna look it out.
Speaker 1: And you know when he got three more motherfucker's and
Speaker 1: got them busted with your sorry adds. See, the rules
Speaker 1: are just different, bro, stay different. And I thank god
Speaker 1: I have my experience to why I have my experends.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give it back for nothing in the world,
Speaker 1: especially God their millennium. Man, So you comfortable with Nino
Speaker 1: Cappuccino and as he is now, I know you can't
Speaker 1: evenrase the past. Now I had to live with that.
Speaker 1: You can't erase the past. So you take who you
Speaker 1: was what you were and you put it on into today.
Speaker 1: And this is a man doing what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Because I feel good being able to get out of
Speaker 1: here and go shopping. From my grandchildren. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot of the homage didn't even make it. They even
Speaker 1: have one child, didn't even make it to sixteen. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I say, we're blessed to
Speaker 1: be here and then't really like like you, like you
Speaker 1: speaking on it for people to really understand that. Man,
Speaker 1: brothers had it hard out of here and you come
Speaker 1: from there here and I'm wrong with it. There's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with change, man, I mean change with change comes
Speaker 1: along growth. And for me, for a lot of people
Speaker 1: that's out there that know my life, so it's so
Speaker 1: many they really know my life. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I don't get a lot of the bullshit flashback is
Speaker 1: because niggas know this. That's who we is. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's when you speak and you want to speak on
Speaker 1: real ship and a real solid individual, that's where that
Speaker 1: nigga really is. So it's like I don't have that
Speaker 1: type of jacket where you could put me in that
Speaker 1: floor mat man, where Okay, well what he didn't do
Speaker 1: this or this didn't happen this way. No, my life
Speaker 1: is my life, and I speak on logical facts. I
Speaker 1: don't talk about this illogical something the man down the
Speaker 1: street told me. I speak on this ship. I lived,
Speaker 1: what I know, what I've experienced. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And so to look back on those things as to
Speaker 1: who I am today. But I'm proud of myself to
Speaker 1: be to live and to tell it, especially to another
Speaker 1: youngster man like look on me that e'ven like like
Speaker 1: right now, my preacher, to these junces out here, bro,
Speaker 1: it's fucking gang banging, your gang banging in because we're
Speaker 1: going in. You gang banging in. You're a gang member.
Speaker 1: Let me rephrase that, and even to my gang bangers.
Speaker 1: If you're gang banging and you're a gang member, go
Speaker 1: jump off for clips. Some motherfucking where the man, because
Speaker 1: getting no money, you ain't take care of your kids,
Speaker 1: you ain't take care of that woman who really loves
Speaker 1: your Sorry Jackie, just go jump off a cliff, all
Speaker 1: un all you kill us, Just go jump off a
Speaker 1: cliff because so when you get busted, you want to
Speaker 1: tell on the world you didn't want to do the
Speaker 1: consequence film saying, so, since you're not playing by the rules,
Speaker 1: you don't want to deal with the consequence, Just just
Speaker 1: stop jump off a cliff. Hey, uh, you got a
Speaker 1: lot of brothers out there smoking crag Go game. If
Speaker 1: you're smoking crag Go game at sixty and there's two
Speaker 1: thousand and twenty coming, you might as road shoot yourself.
Speaker 1: Stop sucking a Yeah. And just like you said, if
Speaker 1: you really thinking game banging, it's nothing like it used
Speaker 1: to be. It's a waste of time. And you got
Speaker 1: these little cats doing the seventeen years old, sixteen years old,
Speaker 1: getting forty five years to life. If that's where you
Speaker 1: want to end up, keep it push. Let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me touch on this real fast, real quick. Bro.
Speaker 1: Before we even close out, I want to say, man,
Speaker 1: for the record, TV Land to all my Bike Coastal
Speaker 1: Gang members out there, all my Bike Coastal gang members.
Speaker 1: You're from the East Coast, from New York first and
Speaker 1: foremost a lot of my New Yorkers, man and know
Speaker 1: me out this. Shout out to all my real ones, man,
Speaker 1: Shout to all my solid and wise man. There's already
Speaker 1: know two thousand folk, big Cap Neo Cappuccino. I landed
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, Patterson and the projects. I was the
Speaker 1: first blood out of the Nixon Guarden, the first blood
Speaker 1: out of l A. Me and t Rogers from Black
Speaker 1: Peace Stone because he was promoting his book and setting
Speaker 1: this book at the time. Me and t Rogers hit
Speaker 1: the East Coast bro and lit the East Coast up.
Speaker 1: T went on another route for me. Me I was
Speaker 1: on my g ship. I went to New York, planned
Speaker 1: to see the New Jersey Patterson bro. I planned to
Speaker 1: see and the Hunter Situations group. From that aspect, you
Speaker 1: feel me. But my whole dimension, the plant, that seed
Speaker 1: that has it to do with gang banging. It was
Speaker 1: about my money. It was about showing these cats our
Speaker 1: way to the West Coast on how we get this
Speaker 1: money and how you be on your gangster ship. So
Speaker 1: a lot of the ship that's going on in New
Speaker 1: York I don't condole with at all. A lot of
Speaker 1: these fake as gang members is in New York ain't
Speaker 1: gang bangers. They're gang members. A lot of gang members
Speaker 1: in the South, in Texas, definitely. This is why, this
Speaker 1: is why I pointed out, and the reason for that is,
Speaker 1: like I said, it wasn't my way of going to
Speaker 1: take a coast and put them in that situation. It
Speaker 1: was to show you, guys, because it was asked upon
Speaker 1: me first and foremost. It wasn't something that I just
Speaker 1: I just said, you know what, I'm gonna go to
Speaker 1: New York and just turn his hood out. Cats got
Speaker 1: at me knowing who I was. They the youngsters reached
Speaker 1: out to me like big homie, can you give us
Speaker 1: the truth? Man? We want to know what's the truth
Speaker 1: on the west man? What's how do we establish our ship?
Speaker 1: And that's how I got I came about it. So
Speaker 1: when I got involved, my involvement was to show them. Look, man,
Speaker 1: if if you're gonna get down with the get down broad,
Speaker 1: then this these are the rules. These are the standards,
Speaker 1: just the g CO and boom. That was that. As
Speaker 1: far as me getting out there being involved, being active,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. It wasn't even that type of play feeling
Speaker 1: and I wasn't sending individuals on that level. So what
Speaker 1: I say is I say that now to where when
Speaker 1: I look back, it's sad and I kind of hated.
Speaker 1: I regretted on my end. I regret it for as
Speaker 1: my my participation because you something business took this ship
Speaker 1: and run buck as wild with it. And it is
Speaker 1: and it's ridiculous and it's water down, not at the beginning.
Speaker 1: Every year it gets watered down. Every new member, it
Speaker 1: gets water water down, every new cats that want to
Speaker 1: be the head leader, water down down all of those years.
Speaker 1: And it ain't what you created it. The ship they
Speaker 1: created after didn't lose like for example, um, when the
Speaker 1: non trade wasn't existing last year, when they had this
Speaker 1: little fooitcake boy with the rainbow ass hair around around
Speaker 1: around trolling the world and broad see ship like that
Speaker 1: aggravates me because I know you knew millennium motherfucker's couldn't exist.
Speaker 1: There's no way you could have existed in that in
Speaker 1: certain eras. And then a lot of ship that goes
Speaker 1: on on the west the way it does now is
Speaker 1: again because certain individuals who used to be in place,
Speaker 1: who had the power, they they took the bags and
Speaker 1: ran and separated themselves and dissociated. So there is no
Speaker 1: more structure even on our west coast. So it was
Speaker 1: the time your mother come on the west coast that
Speaker 1: ship period you was prescified when he came to hire farm.
Speaker 1: You knew them. Niggas on the West don't give a
Speaker 1: damn about nothing and nobody period. So now it burps
Speaker 1: me when you got cats from different coaches. They try
Speaker 1: to talk that ship about us now like they're the
Speaker 1: hardest and we this and West Coast ain't throwing niggas.
Speaker 1: We we bang out here, No niggas. You memic. You
Speaker 1: memick in the West. You and you're banging because you
Speaker 1: mimic the West. Nigga. You got a good because you
Speaker 1: watched Minister Society Phibby, You watched old Boy Old Dog
Speaker 1: get you memick in the West. You you banged because
Speaker 1: you've seen boys in the hood. You memick in the West.
Speaker 1: We started this games to ship niggas for real, for real,
Speaker 1: we did the West Coast. So now the world is mimiced.
Speaker 1: Then wrap is getting paid off what we live and
Speaker 1: die for. And that's what I don't condone in with
Speaker 1: them fruitcake gas niggas at all, period. All you fake
Speaker 1: ass rapper bloods, all of them feel me, and I
Speaker 1: mean all of them. I don't know you, and you're
Speaker 1: not a fisher for one of these La neighborhoods, and
Speaker 1: you in the industry you're talking about you a hip
Speaker 1: hop dot move nigga. Please, one thing is for show,
Speaker 1: two things for certain. Just be glad. I ain't on
Speaker 1: no body hand the beach a tip and I ain't
Speaker 1: know Wolf. I feel me because street still see, I
Speaker 1: don't see. I don't play by the street rules no
Speaker 1: more because I ain't in the streets. I live corporate America,
Speaker 1: So I played by corporate America rules. I'm not in
Speaker 1: the streets. So but if I was in these streets,
Speaker 1: bro trust and believe, it's only two ways. I'm going
Speaker 1: death for death rode my cruel niggas who will be
Speaker 1: with me? Man, We're gonna eat and getting money, real money,
Speaker 1: and we're smashing the ship. Ain't no good be don't
Speaker 1: play play. You know what I'm saying. So I thank
Speaker 1: God for changing growth. I'm thankful that you've a that
Speaker 1: that transition. And I want to remind everybody that you're
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Speaker 1: He's also on Instagram Nino Cappuccino. You can FINDO Cappuccino
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Speaker 1: not a not an exact release date right now, because
Speaker 1: I'm still in uh in the process of establishing a
Speaker 1: bid and war with other studios right now, man, you know,
Speaker 1: so I'm just strategizing my marketing and promotional play and
Speaker 1: just trying to get the best bid. We'll keep our
Speaker 1: listeners posted on on your film. And before you go, though,
Speaker 1: I got a question about you from the only hood
Speaker 1: that I know that memorial memorize, memorializes. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I couldn't that word. They memorialize every single homie, every
Speaker 1: single resident, everyone who was grew up in the Nickolsons
Speaker 1: on the wall. In fact, y'all are running out of
Speaker 1: space just because now the gym I don't plays. We're
Speaker 1: wrapping around the You're wrapping around the whole gym. So,
Speaker 1: but the wall was establishedment and in the early eighties, Um,
Speaker 1: my parents are on one of the actual first doors.
Speaker 1: My parents. I lost my parents back to back through cancer, man,
Speaker 1: And so that what triggered me off rebelled against God
Speaker 1: because at one point I had a prominent lifestyle man.
Speaker 1: I was on my way to NFL. I had a
Speaker 1: goal said that I was gonna be the next bow Jackson.
Speaker 1: I was gonna play baseball and pro football. That was
Speaker 1: that good. And my academics was sharp as well. For school.
Speaker 1: Because I'm one thing about me, I had to live
Speaker 1: a double life. It was when I went home and
Speaker 1: it was yes, sir, yes ma'am. I had to play
Speaker 1: that double life role. You couldn't convince my mother who
Speaker 1: I was. When people used to tell my mother, not
Speaker 1: my not my baby. One of my mama's stories, they said,
Speaker 1: that's your son, and you couldn't convince that woman. Dad.
Speaker 1: So I lost my parents back to bank. So the
Speaker 1: wall was built through my big homie greg Brown. Gregory
Speaker 1: Brown established the wall him and Homie Loaf and that that, uh,
Speaker 1: no one can stop this war but us. That established
Speaker 1: that with the Homie Loaf. So the wall was created.
Speaker 1: And the wall is not established for gang members or
Speaker 1: gang bangers in our neighborhood and during our time awards,
Speaker 1: we didn't have game members. We had gang bangers. Nothing
Speaker 1: in our neighborhood was game members. He was a gang
Speaker 1: banger or either you were just from the hood. That
Speaker 1: was the neighborhood. Yeah, you grew up, you you know
Speaker 1: now you you get it, pass you had the gang bang.
Speaker 1: If you win the gang banger, we still loved you.
Speaker 1: You was the home or you was the home girl
Speaker 1: because you went to school or you did you just
Speaker 1: live to live a different life from us. But the
Speaker 1: gang bangers, we gang bang. So the wall wasn't established
Speaker 1: for gang bangers who were are falling soldiers. It was
Speaker 1: established for the whole time community. Grandmother's, grandfather's aunties, great aunties,
Speaker 1: because it's you name it. So everybody that's from that
Speaker 1: community that has lost anyone is on that wall, that
Speaker 1: monument wall man called gone but not forgotten man and
Speaker 1: knicks the garden. Now, we talked about this before on
Speaker 1: the Gangster Chronicles. An incident that happened to Sugar Night
Speaker 1: and Uh in the projects during the filming of the
Speaker 1: video Crack Them with your Boys from O F T B. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean reflecting to that man, we basically giving it
Speaker 1: to the TV land raw in that cut, Man, you
Speaker 1: talk to one of the cats man who established let's
Speaker 1: just say I started this story man, I took three
Speaker 1: hundred fifty thousand from one of the most feared individuals
Speaker 1: in the game at that time when he was on
Speaker 1: top of his game. That's how I got my first
Speaker 1: production deal in the game. Man I ain't know ship
Speaker 1: about music. So in the process of that establishment, he
Speaker 1: threw a low. He threw a love wrench in the game,
Speaker 1: which is what he do. He's a great manipulator, and
Speaker 1: he's smart and he's intelligent with it. So he threw
Speaker 1: a love wrench in the game. So Mr James himself,
Speaker 1: the homie bunch of Rested Peace, Leo, Big Rock, Big Hook,
Speaker 1: being uh Rick, James, b Rick, Little bit as Rick,
Speaker 1: all the homies and these are headbusters, these things just
Speaker 1: like us. But these are my homies though, but they
Speaker 1: rolled with signment. Anyway. We was in a situation Bro
Speaker 1: where I needed to holler at him. So during the
Speaker 1: video shoot, I walked to Toy and said, but I
Speaker 1: need holl that you, I said, stepped up to my
Speaker 1: office he said, while we're passing out the shot, said
Speaker 1: then get your shirts to one of your motherfucking boys.
Speaker 1: We need a holler. So me and my homeboy rat
Speaker 1: Dog rest in Peace at this time, my little homie,
Speaker 1: Top Dog. He came a little ready, top dollars and young,
Speaker 1: and he was a part of the company I had
Speaker 1: put together called RBD, Rat BJ and Dude. That was
Speaker 1: our production company. So that's how we got our first
Speaker 1: production deal in the business with death Throw. It was
Speaker 1: all three of us with business partners. So I took
Speaker 1: him to the boy's bathroom in our gym, and um,
Speaker 1: I just got at him, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: man and man mono mono, and let him know how
Speaker 1: how I felt about the situation that took place, how
Speaker 1: he manipulated my homeboy, rat Dog, and and let him
Speaker 1: know about the deal that we had already talked about.
Speaker 1: And so Rick James busted. I have my homie, Big
Speaker 1: Hank and mother homeboys my dog. They was guarding the door,
Speaker 1: so Big hook him. Mr James knee walked and walked
Speaker 1: the He was on the outside of the door, but
Speaker 1: they let she come in. So Mob, No, he think
Speaker 1: I don't know this right there to day. But I
Speaker 1: put his ass old blasted bottom. He thinks I don't know,
Speaker 1: he said, Rick. He told Rick, you get in there
Speaker 1: some kind of weight, get your hair. So Rick ducked
Speaker 1: his little ass between them and the door and he
Speaker 1: got in. So now it's me top rat dog Simon
Speaker 1: and Rick James in the bathroom. I'm squared off with
Speaker 1: him talking to it. So that's what Rick say, b
Speaker 1: j come on, hold on me? Who gotta be like that?
Speaker 1: Say nickas you hold on, we talked to this thing.
Speaker 1: So finally now the argument of brups. So now we
Speaker 1: we fall out. So silk fall into his hands. So
Speaker 1: now the homie James and and and the rest of
Speaker 1: the homies they do what they're supposed to do, what
Speaker 1: they trained to do. They fall in suit and fall
Speaker 1: into the parking lot. Now knowing already got some established
Speaker 1: as well. So the young homies at that time, my
Speaker 1: little homie achially rest in peace, and the other young
Speaker 1: hit us they already in the park a lot. So
Speaker 1: we end up into a standoff. Basically bro the Buny
Speaker 1: hunts in the parrus. We end up in the standoff
Speaker 1: in the park a lot of Next to Guarden, tell
Speaker 1: him these little cats was twelve years old years old.
Speaker 1: They had the shortest little cats out there with with nines.
Speaker 1: So I was at the I was at the bathroom door,
Speaker 1: and you know rap just my nigger hunter, I'm straight solid.
Speaker 1: Rad used to come to the office and get his
Speaker 1: just his just chips. He used to come to the office.
Speaker 1: He used to come to the restaurant. He used to
Speaker 1: come wherever the fund Simon was at. And he knew
Speaker 1: that timeline, that date, hey day he came. So on
Speaker 1: that particular day when y'all came to the I thought
Speaker 1: it was green Eyes, but that was you. So came
Speaker 1: through the door. It was like getting in there, we
Speaker 1: need to hone at you, Simon. You ain't gotta go
Speaker 1: in there. Remember the tar cat. That's a big walk
Speaker 1: walk house. It was like, hold upon me, who woo.
Speaker 1: So he grabbed his grabb his here wait a minute,
Speaker 1: hold on, Walter, you were then place black. You don't
Speaker 1: oh it was it was. It was for real. So
Speaker 1: Shell was like, okay, man, I'm I got it. I'm cool,
Speaker 1: I'm cool. But he's sweating bullets, like motherfucker. He already
Speaker 1: know what's happening, and and nobody could really say nothing
Speaker 1: because he knew the situation. He knew what was going down.
Speaker 1: But you know, she was one of those I got
Speaker 1: you but then renewed kind of catch yeah. First and
Speaker 1: foremost it was like Bro, he put itself in the
Speaker 1: situation and then he put us in a situation against
Speaker 1: one another with the son we never done, see, but
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't grow up. Even in the county jail.
Speaker 1: We didn't go a fight in the squadums each other.
Speaker 1: We you know, other bloods had situations and bloods to fight,
Speaker 1: but we didn't. When it came to lose his park
Speaker 1: and in foodtown, man come to parluge Man, we just
Speaker 1: we had an alliance bro with the west Side and
Speaker 1: the east side, so I ship before we leaven let
Speaker 1: it get to that level were we even squashed and
Speaker 1: we would get to the okay, the two homies, just
Speaker 1: them two need to go handle that business once that's done.
Speaker 1: We could, we didn't let it get out of hand.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of us wouldn't have been here
Speaker 1: today if she would have said, I ain't going in
Speaker 1: that bathroom. That's not the truth. Because they know, we knew,
Speaker 1: they was ready, We knew what was handing, and and
Speaker 1: and we right there and and I'm I'm telling you, hey,
Speaker 1: us what watch Cowboy movies? These little cats was I'm
Speaker 1: talking about post spreading spreading, and and one of my
Speaker 1: homeboys named Drew. This is how seriously was getting and
Speaker 1: everybody knew it was tense. Was drinking at forty. So
Speaker 1: the little kid came over there and said, uh, blow us,
Speaker 1: let me hear that. So he passed the pony to him,
Speaker 1: turn up and turned around and walked away. So my
Speaker 1: boy said, hey, hey, wait a minut, hold on, look
Speaker 1: turned back, looked. He looked at me like again, it's
Speaker 1: your faulty either you gonna get him off, gonna leave them.
Speaker 1: But it was just so it was it was every
Speaker 1: everybody was showing up at that time because and and
Speaker 1: none of us knew really what what's going on? That's
Speaker 1: the whole thing right there. See he it was he
Speaker 1: he was so fascinated with the power that he had
Speaker 1: grew within and so fast to where now he knew
Speaker 1: my last and foremost conquer is how do I get
Speaker 1: to the body? Hunt us? Because he even asked them,
Speaker 1: and they told him, said me, First of all, we
Speaker 1: gotta relationship with him there my homies, right do we
Speaker 1: grew up with them too, niggas in the system man
Speaker 1: out just like Rack, what I fund with all? Oh?
Speaker 1: That was my niggas over there. So it's like, now
Speaker 1: you put them in a position again, it's us because
Speaker 1: we're coming at ship. We we we don't want to
Speaker 1: be with the homies. Homies, but then they got a
Speaker 1: job to do, and let's pretake too, because that's what
Speaker 1: they're there for. So we understood that. So I think
Speaker 1: it was to try how how do we minimize this
Speaker 1: without bring a conflict of months the homies, And that
Speaker 1: was this pressing related to Harry Oh and his steak
Speaker 1: in death row rest my big Yeah, that's my big humpy.
Speaker 1: I grew up under the Harry All. That's my big homie.
Speaker 1: You feel me, you know, back in the days, I
Speaker 1: got some of my first opportunities dealing with him, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So he was definitely uh uh
Speaker 1: shining the right people to talk to to uh shame.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I can talk about this all day long,
Speaker 1: all night long, but we're gonna have to wrap this episode.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to probably bring Nino Cappuccino back again
Speaker 1: for apart two or because Reggie's gonna be gone for
Speaker 1: at least another nine months. But I want to thank
Speaker 1: everybody for listening to another episode to The Gangster Chronicles,
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