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Speaker 1: um they believe this might be in retaliation to our testimony.
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Speaker 1: But let me start off with we had Nino Cappuccino
Speaker 1: on episode third six. A couple episodes. I just want
Speaker 1: to do a quick fact check. You know, talked about
Speaker 1: the Nickerson Gardens one thousand and sixty six housing units
Speaker 1: in the UH in those projects, and he's correct, but
Speaker 1: he didn't put it in context with the other projects.
Speaker 1: So the Nickson Gardens has one thousand and sixty six units,
Speaker 1: the Jordan Downs has seven hundred units, the Imperial Courts
Speaker 1: has four hundred and ninety eight units, and has the
Speaker 1: Village has three eight units. So that kind of puts
Speaker 1: it in context how large the Nickerson's are. They're the largest. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's the largest. Here's another thing, the largest urban housing
Speaker 1: development west of the Mississippi River. And you know you
Speaker 1: gotta get to New York and Chicago to the to
Speaker 1: those big ones. So um, it's it's huge and and
Speaker 1: and when you think about the size of the projects,
Speaker 1: that gives you an idea of how big the gangs are.
Speaker 1: The Boundy Hunters are by far the largest gang in
Speaker 1: Watts right. The second largest gang would be the Grape
Speaker 1: Streets in the Jordan Downs, and then Imperial Courts and
Speaker 1: Hassiana Village a little the p J, Watts and UH
Speaker 1: and they're a little smaller. But then you get when
Speaker 1: you get to the Haciendas, they're even smaller. And it's
Speaker 1: all based on the the size of the projects. Well,
Speaker 1: and then You gotta look at it too, because all
Speaker 1: of those guys that they represented Grape Street don't live
Speaker 1: in Grape Streets. They live in different areas, you know.
Speaker 1: But they just claimed they claimed that hood. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: you don't know how many it is. Now here's another
Speaker 1: interesting fact check from that episode with Nino Cappuccino. I'm
Speaker 1: sure Nino knows this, but he didn't want to go
Speaker 1: too much into his his project, his film. But the
Speaker 1: Nickerson Gardens was actually built by brother the brothers and architect.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a compounder something like that. Nah.
Speaker 1: This brother, the brother built the projects. His name is
Speaker 1: Um Paul Revere Williams, and he not only did he
Speaker 1: design the Nickerson Gardens, but he actually designed houses to
Speaker 1: celebrities and all that during the I think it was
Speaker 1: the forties and fifties. Black architect Um not only built
Speaker 1: the Nickinson Gardens but also built several homes and houses
Speaker 1: throughout southern California during those years. All right, um, your
Speaker 1: boy O. J. Simpson is only up to nine hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty four thousand followers on Twitter. He only went
Speaker 1: up like a thousand in the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: What's going on James this slack slow motion to get
Speaker 1: to that ship. And it don't matter, like like me,
Speaker 1: let o J. Simpson do his thing. Why is he
Speaker 1: trying to get to that point? What is it gonna do? Point?
Speaker 1: I should be relaxed somewhere, sitting back, chilling. He shouldn't
Speaker 1: even be on no Instagram, no Facebook, none of that, ship, Twitter,
Speaker 1: none of that. He needs to kick back. That's a lot.
Speaker 1: But I mean we're doing this thing. He's doing this thing. Man,
Speaker 1: He's posting videos about football and all that good stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, and he's what seventy something years Oh, I
Speaker 1: know you want him to just go into some corner
Speaker 1: and go into a rocket just here. I just say this.
Speaker 1: You've been through so much in the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: You've been through so much. Yeah, I mean you have
Speaker 1: to think, man, let me let me just relax. You
Speaker 1: got money, sit back and just chill and live out
Speaker 1: your life. Why I try to be and and and
Speaker 1: in this head. You man, we know I'm tired to
Speaker 1: chew them over that ship. All right. Uh. I feel you.
Speaker 1: I feel where you're coming from. But you know, this
Speaker 1: is America, the land of the free, Land of the free,
Speaker 1: and you know, at the end of the day, we
Speaker 1: black motherfuckers don't know how to act. But you won regardless.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, you won. You did
Speaker 1: that little time out there in Las Vegas. This is
Speaker 1: the least I can do is come home and sit
Speaker 1: that little time he did down there a decade It
Speaker 1: don't matter, but but but hey, they gotta give him
Speaker 1: some kind of weight. And I know he realized that
Speaker 1: why doing that time. He had ten years to think
Speaker 1: about it. So sitting on your ass and then come
Speaker 1: home and then act like a different person. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: you still old J Simpson the same thing. All right,
Speaker 1: let's move on. Um. We got a guest today, man,
Speaker 1: and she is an attorney and she's represented quite a
Speaker 1: few high profile people. I don't really know the specifics
Speaker 1: of those cases, but she definitely has relationships with i'd
Speaker 1: say quite a few people in the hip hop industry.
Speaker 1: And some of you guys probably already know who I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. But we have Lauren Noriega in the house.
Speaker 1: A k A. Nori. What's up, guys, Thanks for having
Speaker 1: me for sure, thanks for coming down. Uh, let's just
Speaker 1: get a little bit of about your background. Um, where'd
Speaker 1: you go to school and how did you get into
Speaker 1: the law. Yeah, so I'm from Victorville, California originally. Uh.
Speaker 1: I went to undergrad at cal State Samernadino, where I
Speaker 1: studied actually nutrition, um, and then I did my first
Speaker 1: year of law school in Jacksonville, Florida, came back to
Speaker 1: l A and did my last two years at Loyola
Speaker 1: Law School here in downtown l A, right there off
Speaker 1: of Olympic right. Yeah. Yeah, they got the innocence project
Speaker 1: there they do, yeh work with a lot of attorneys there. Um,
Speaker 1: I did, and I did the Innocence Project while I
Speaker 1: was there. Okay, did they have um what's her name?
Speaker 1: I worked with her on Lori Levinson? Lori, Yes, I
Speaker 1: worked on a couple of cases. She's still there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I haven't. I haven't hollowda at her in
Speaker 1: a minute. So what made you leave one law school
Speaker 1: and go to another one? Uh? You know, I went
Speaker 1: to Jacksonville because they offered me a really nice scholarship,
Speaker 1: and then once I was out there, I kind of
Speaker 1: realized it just wasn't for me, and so I just
Speaker 1: transferred back and Loyola matched my scholarship, So it was
Speaker 1: just it all worked out. Okay, Well, we're gonna dedicate
Speaker 1: this episode of The Gangster Chronicles to the law, James,
Speaker 1: So we want to educate a lot of people about
Speaker 1: the law. But I will warn you though, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about the law from the state of California perspective.
Speaker 1: We got listeners all over the world, we got listeners
Speaker 1: all over the United States, but most of what we're
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about is related to the laws in
Speaker 1: the state of California. We might dabble a little bit
Speaker 1: in federal law, but we're gonna talk mostly about what's
Speaker 1: going on in the state of California. Does that sound good, Nori,
Speaker 1: let's do it. And you're always posting videos about different
Speaker 1: aspects of the law and touching on something, so I
Speaker 1: wanted to get We talked about this on the show, James.
Speaker 1: Um the felony murder rule. I believe that's SB one
Speaker 1: eight seven seven, where retroactively some brothers that were just
Speaker 1: sitting in the back seat during the course of a
Speaker 1: crime might be able to get out because you know,
Speaker 1: back in the day, as you know, they convicted everyone,
Speaker 1: they charged everyone, and they convicted everyone. Yeah, you get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a lot of a lot of homeboys in
Speaker 1: jail for a robbery that went bad and the police
Speaker 1: are the store when it killed him with my boy
Speaker 1: got that murder because they was in the in the
Speaker 1: in the midst of a crime. So we briefly talked
Speaker 1: about it on a previous episode of The Gangster Chronicles. Mari,
Speaker 1: but give us the specifics of how did uh the
Speaker 1: s B seven come about and what does it actually mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so some states still have the felony murder rule and
Speaker 1: basically it a lot shame on those states. Shame on
Speaker 1: a man. Yeah. It basically allowed prosecutors to present a
Speaker 1: theory of natural and probable consequences to the jury. UM,
Speaker 1: basically saying, you know, if if you're involved in a
Speaker 1: in a car jacking, you should know that it may
Speaker 1: be a natural and probable consequence that somebody would get murdered. UM.
Speaker 1: And so that allowed them to convict based on that
Speaker 1: type of accomplice like ability. UM. And so the California
Speaker 1: legislature UM enacted this this new rule seven which is
Speaker 1: retroactive and allows UM basically people that were convicted under
Speaker 1: the felony murder rule to petition to have their murder
Speaker 1: convictions vacated, and I only gonna do with that is
Speaker 1: is dropped the murder thing and then just I mean,
Speaker 1: you still got a lot of time. So that's the
Speaker 1: thing though, is that um so say you have other
Speaker 1: you were convicted of other charges along with the murder
Speaker 1: um and they vacate the murder charge. Whatever time you've
Speaker 1: done goes toward um the other charges. So a lot
Speaker 1: of people have already more than done exactly. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: would be cool, Yeah, that would be cool. Now, I
Speaker 1: do a lot of people that are sitting in one
Speaker 1: of our California state prisons understand what's going on and
Speaker 1: and and how do they take advantage of the change
Speaker 1: in the law. I don't think. I don't even think
Speaker 1: a lot of attorneys understand the nuances of fourteen thirty
Speaker 1: seven because one of the practical issues that I've run
Speaker 1: into in in practicing this and filing fourteen thirty seven
Speaker 1: motions is that a lot of I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know any cases where the prosecutor only presents one theory
Speaker 1: of guilt. They're going to present multiple theories of guilt
Speaker 1: to try to secure their conviction. So the difficulty with
Speaker 1: four seven is that a lot of courts are ruling
Speaker 1: that if there are, if other viable theories of guilt
Speaker 1: were presented to the jury, then you may not be
Speaker 1: eligible for fourteen thirty seven because some of those theories
Speaker 1: are still good lot today and there's no way to
Speaker 1: know which theory the jury used to convict that person
Speaker 1: still a kid. Yeah, So what is there to do
Speaker 1: then if you're sitting in prison and maybe there were
Speaker 1: other theories presented and maybe those are the theories weren't strong.
Speaker 1: Is there retrial opportunities not? I mean, you're not petitioning
Speaker 1: for a retrial, you're petitioning to get the murder um,
Speaker 1: the murder chart, the murder conviction vacated. So um, it's
Speaker 1: it's case by case and all the judges are ruling differently.
Speaker 1: I mean, the d a's are even arguing that four
Speaker 1: seven isn't a constitutional law. So there, it's just at
Speaker 1: some point it's going to probably get to the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court or the California legislature is going to redraft it
Speaker 1: in a way that makes it more clear on that issue.
Speaker 1: But that's a huge issue going on right now with
Speaker 1: fourteen thirty seven that I don't think the California legislature
Speaker 1: anticipated when drafting that law, So a lot of homies
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be able to take advantage of the names. Now,
Speaker 1: it seems like a lot of paperwork, and you can
Speaker 1: just see the now in front of it all the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems very enticing and it seems so defendant friendly,
Speaker 1: but then when you actually get into it, it's a
Speaker 1: pretty high bar to reach. Okay, Now I wanted to
Speaker 1: ask you, like, how did you hook up with all
Speaker 1: these rappers and all these entertainers. I've seen you post
Speaker 1: and stuff. I think something with Snoop Bosco, Um, who else? Um,
Speaker 1: I'm missing a glasses glasses malone, you know, and these
Speaker 1: people who had on the shop we've got glasses on
Speaker 1: here or um. I represent some of them, um, and
Speaker 1: then some are just you know, homies and if they
Speaker 1: ever get caught up your home, and if they ever
Speaker 1: got caught you're a lawyer with the homies, great question,
Speaker 1: case by case basis. Some of them are strictly just clients,
Speaker 1: and then some of them, like I knew before they
Speaker 1: needed me. And so if you're a friend first and
Speaker 1: then I represent you, it's you know, sometimes those lines
Speaker 1: can be blurred. But um Bosco I was friends with
Speaker 1: before I represented him. Um, so it's a very close
Speaker 1: to mine. We've known each other for a few years now.
Speaker 1: But that was kind of one of the first high
Speaker 1: profile cases that I did. I did his. He had
Speaker 1: a fourth um falling in possession of firearm case and
Speaker 1: that's mandatory state prison time and I actually it was
Speaker 1: out of Compton. I got him six months house arrest,
Speaker 1: which is like unheard of. So that was like the
Speaker 1: first thing that really kind of catapulted my my law
Speaker 1: firm and got my name out there. I remember that
Speaker 1: because someone went on online and said, oh, Bosco must
Speaker 1: have been snitching because there's no way get you know,
Speaker 1: you get off of that gun. There's always someone to
Speaker 1: snitch on. Well, a guy can snitch on an unrelated case.
Speaker 1: There's nothing to do, you know. But he didn't snitch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I remember people saying that, So I heard it
Speaker 1: against Gronicles. He did not did not snitch. His lawyer
Speaker 1: is here and she just told you. So, how did
Speaker 1: you pull that off? What was you found, lou Paulish something? No,
Speaker 1: you know, all it was is um I asked for
Speaker 1: in chambers. For those of you don't know. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: if you're not liking the deal that the d A
Speaker 1: has given you, you can ask the court for an offer.
Speaker 1: And so I asked to go sit down with the judge.
Speaker 1: So me and the d A we go. We sit
Speaker 1: down with the judge and I pretty much said like, look,
Speaker 1: he's doing really doing really well in his life. He's
Speaker 1: really not still gang banging. Um, he's got a lot
Speaker 1: going on, and kind of just sold it to the judge.
Speaker 1: And the judge just happened to really like me. We
Speaker 1: just got lucky, we got a really good judge. Now,
Speaker 1: if Bosco gets arrested again on a gun possession, then
Speaker 1: they're gonna throw the book at him, right. I mean
Speaker 1: California in general it comes down really hard on people
Speaker 1: with guns. Um, so probably, I mean that would be
Speaker 1: his fifth one, so probably yeah. Okay, Um, you know
Speaker 1: California used to be lenient on guns back and can
Speaker 1: you believe that. I don't know what you're changed, but
Speaker 1: possession of a gun that was a misdemeanor and all
Speaker 1: the you can be So there's different levels. There's, um,
Speaker 1: just possession of a firearm when you're not a convicted
Speaker 1: felon is a wobbler. So depending on the circumstances of
Speaker 1: the case. Yeah, depending on the circumstances of the case,
Speaker 1: it can still And I have handled misdemeanor gun cases,
Speaker 1: but most of the cases, most of the gun cases
Speaker 1: I do is felon in possession of fire and PC
Speaker 1: and that's always a felony and it's always mandatory state
Speaker 1: prison time. Please explain to our listeners what a wobbler
Speaker 1: actually means. A wobbler means in the state of California,
Speaker 1: that the DA has discretion whether to file the charge
Speaker 1: as a misdemeanor or felony, Thank you very much, And
Speaker 1: in most instances they're going for the I'll forget about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your priors are really what dictated. If you don't have
Speaker 1: any priors, they're probably going to file it as a misdemeanor. Um.
Speaker 1: But if you have a prior history or you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you have an f I card, you're
Speaker 1: in you're in cow gangs that they're probably gonna filed.
Speaker 1: You don't even have to have a This could be
Speaker 1: your first gun case, but you got robberies and anything else,
Speaker 1: anything else dictates what they're gonna do to you. And
Speaker 1: it's the cool thing about it, Like with uh, the
Speaker 1: three strike law. Now, is it true with the three
Speaker 1: strike law you have to have committed that same crime
Speaker 1: been convicted to say I did three robberies. Each robbery
Speaker 1: gave me a strike. But if I did a robbery
Speaker 1: or I did a got caught with a pistol, is
Speaker 1: that the same thing as strike? Yeah, it doesn't. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what type of strikeable offense. It is feeling though, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there. Yeah, you can't get a strike on
Speaker 1: a misdemeanor. Yeah, yeah, that's correct. But you can get
Speaker 1: you can get multiple strikes on one offense. Yes, you
Speaker 1: can get two strikes on one offense. You gotta be
Speaker 1: two different types of charges though, Yeah, you can get
Speaker 1: you can get five charges. I want to fence, I
Speaker 1: shot somebody. You're gonna get that for the for the
Speaker 1: gun case, and then you're gonna get that for the
Speaker 1: attempt to murder. You get you shot somebody fell on
Speaker 1: the in possession of a gun. Attempted murder. Let's say
Speaker 1: a couple of bullets went into the house behind you,
Speaker 1: shooting into an inhabited dwelling. That's three. Can Can you
Speaker 1: add some more? Noy yeah, I mean assault with the
Speaker 1: deadly yeah, yeah, And I mean it's really rare that.
Speaker 1: Um I've seen it on a juvie case actually where
Speaker 1: they and he had a clean record which is really
Speaker 1: messed up. But um, it's really rare that they try
Speaker 1: to try to attach two strikes on one case because
Speaker 1: that's that's really that's really harsh, but that but they
Speaker 1: do it, and they do, it's just not very often.
Speaker 1: It's like I said, it depends on the person that's
Speaker 1: in front of the judge, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I think the courts show and has favoritism in it,
Speaker 1: you know, with the d A and the judge friendly. Uh,
Speaker 1: they really need this one. You gotta. You got a
Speaker 1: public offender that really just came in really don't know
Speaker 1: what they're talking about, are doing. They're not gonna tell
Speaker 1: you how long they've been practicing. You just have you
Speaker 1: have to take that public defender until you be able
Speaker 1: to tell the judge I don't want this person I
Speaker 1: had on avoid fired every every public defender he had.
Speaker 1: He was fighting murder caation, and he man, I want
Speaker 1: to go program on. And it's crazy because at first
Speaker 1: the judge was like Mr Woo, you know what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and we don't know. We don't know the law like
Speaker 1: they do. You know what I'm saying. And and you
Speaker 1: put yourself in harm's way, you already know you're going
Speaker 1: to jail. So I mean, it's it's crazy how the
Speaker 1: law works. And and I think we get more time
Speaker 1: than any other than white people, the white boys do,
Speaker 1: because I didn't say white boys get arrested with drugs
Speaker 1: and his his charges in his time made the same
Speaker 1: as mine. And like I was, we was talking earlier,
Speaker 1: this six nine guy. You know what I'm saying, It's
Speaker 1: crazy how you have one guy telling nine people this
Speaker 1: guy gets two years and he can come home and
Speaker 1: everybody else doing ten and fifteen, but he was doing
Speaker 1: the same ship with them. It's crazy. Well, you know
Speaker 1: that goes back to uh we we spoke about that
Speaker 1: on a previous episode where Sammy the boll Gravano, who
Speaker 1: admitted to nineteen murders only got five years, only got
Speaker 1: five years? Is he got he didn't He committed more
Speaker 1: murders than your typical serial killer Richard Ramire's Jeffrey Dahmer.
Speaker 1: He committed more murders than those dudes did and he
Speaker 1: only got five years. Well because he informed on the
Speaker 1: biggest gangster in America at the time. And if that's
Speaker 1: what you want, did and I'm we're gonna give you
Speaker 1: five years, But we got this one. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: isn't fair? So should we know? The longer ain't fair? Right?
Speaker 1: The system ain't fair? Right? Well, the system is definitely
Speaker 1: not perfect. You know, I'd rather be in the United
Speaker 1: States of America fighting the case then, And uh, let's
Speaker 1: say Russia or um Iran. China is different than here.
Speaker 1: You don't got a chance in China. No, you ain't
Speaker 1: got a chance nowhere. So as much as um we
Speaker 1: criticized this system, and there's much space for criticism, I'd
Speaker 1: rather be fighting the case in the good old United
Speaker 1: States of America than in any other country on Earth.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like me and don't go back.
Speaker 1: But you, since you brought it up, James, we could
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about it. I had some more
Speaker 1: questions for Nori, but we'll come back to that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just recently reported that Takashi Sick nine was
Speaker 1: sentenced to twenty four months in prison. He's already been
Speaker 1: in prison for about fourteen fifty months, So that means
Speaker 1: that he'll be walking out and seven months maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you do if if he has to do of
Speaker 1: the twenty four months, he'll be walking out in a
Speaker 1: few months, six seven months. So Nori, what do you
Speaker 1: think about that this is a guy that was the
Speaker 1: biggest rapper in probably coming out of New York. You
Speaker 1: probably would have been taking pictures with this dude on
Speaker 1: Instagram at some point if you would have never became
Speaker 1: an informant because you got all the rappers on you know,
Speaker 1: you're hanging out with all the rappers. I'm not. I
Speaker 1: don't really mess with his music, Like I don't really
Speaker 1: I don't listen to I couldn't name one song a hit.
Speaker 1: I like old school rap, I like traditional West Coast rap.
Speaker 1: But that's not really my But he he could have
Speaker 1: been a potential client, That's all I'm saying. Anybody could
Speaker 1: be a potential client. But what do you think about
Speaker 1: the system? Like, let's say you're defending someone and that
Speaker 1: person has to deal with not only the case that
Speaker 1: they have against him for doing X y Z, but
Speaker 1: now he's got informants telling on him in a trial,
Speaker 1: that's coming up, and you've got to defend this guy
Speaker 1: from the charges, and then you've got to deal with
Speaker 1: the informant that's gonna come in and say, yeah, he
Speaker 1: did do X y Z. Yeah. I mean I do.
Speaker 1: I do federal cases. I defend federal cases, and I've
Speaker 1: even done a federal case in New Mexico before. UM,
Speaker 1: so I'm familiar with the federal system, which is a
Speaker 1: bit different than the state system. UM. When it comes
Speaker 1: to informants, though, one of the main things that you're
Speaker 1: going to attack as as the defense is that this
Speaker 1: informant is getting benefits. This informant has everything to gain
Speaker 1: from talking. So who's to say that they're not going
Speaker 1: to make things up to sweeten the deal for themselves,
Speaker 1: And who's to say that they're reliable. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is a criminal, you know. So that's that's kind of
Speaker 1: where any defense attorney is going to go when we're
Speaker 1: talking about informants and and things like that. But they've
Speaker 1: been doing that for let's say, since the beginning of time.
Speaker 1: They knowing that this guy has a dirty record. Nine
Speaker 1: times out of ten, the average person that want to
Speaker 1: tell on somebody is in jail for some ship. They
Speaker 1: didn't did already, but let me use this free ticket
Speaker 1: or whatever, you too, I know who did this murder.
Speaker 1: So he gets out of jail to go back doing
Speaker 1: his drugs and doing whatever, or he just know he
Speaker 1: can't do time and jail. So they they haven't found
Speaker 1: a way to to to fix this. They just sweeten
Speaker 1: the deal every time, especially with this guy. He's sitting
Speaker 1: here and he's telling and implicating himself and the majority
Speaker 1: of the things that was going on, well, I can
Speaker 1: tell you with the with federal cases, one of the
Speaker 1: things that if you're gonna agree to snitch, one of
Speaker 1: the promises you have to make to the prosecution is
Speaker 1: that you will be up front and honest about your
Speaker 1: role in it. So that's why that's why it seems
Speaker 1: as though he's implicating himself because he's required if he's
Speaker 1: gonna snitch, he's required to also discuss his role in it. Well,
Speaker 1: he was facing guess what his maximum was, No, he
Speaker 1: had he had a number. His maximum thirty seven years,
Speaker 1: thirty seven years, twenty four months. James thirty seven years,
Speaker 1: twenty four months. He's the biggest done game on the planet.
Speaker 1: It was smart. He did his thing and he got
Speaker 1: out of it. Now we got to briefly talk about
Speaker 1: Reggie Wright Jr. Because we we debated this right here
Speaker 1: in the studio. And he said he was gonna get
Speaker 1: at least five, six, seven years. And I think, if
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, I said the most. He'll probably get
Speaker 1: his three, but um, he can get less than that.
Speaker 1: And what did Reggie say to me? Well, Reggie, Reggie
Speaker 1: was like, no, But Reggie is looking at it from
Speaker 1: the police perspective. You know what I'm saying. No, I know,
Speaker 1: I dealt with a lot of cats like that. I
Speaker 1: know where you're gonna get. But this is federal ship
Speaker 1: and this is Lou Lou High grade. So he was wrong.
Speaker 1: He was definitely he called that shot wrong. Two years,
Speaker 1: two years. That that tells everybody that if you got
Speaker 1: a good story, you might be walking up out of
Speaker 1: here and a lot of cats gonna go to jail
Speaker 1: behind that. So on a twenty four months sentence is
Speaker 1: twenty months, Well, Feds, you have to do the whole thing.
Speaker 1: There's no no years. And let's make a bet. Let's
Speaker 1: make I'm making a bet with maybe there's maybe there's
Speaker 1: a maybe it's different amongst different jurisdictions. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well no, because the Feds. Right, well, no, there's not
Speaker 1: I mean, there's different circuits and let you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But when you go, when you get sentenced, um,
Speaker 1: there's no different sentencing. You're in New York or Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: You got your high Let me see. So that gives
Speaker 1: him about five months. Okay, yeah, let me let me
Speaker 1: do the math on this real quick. So he already
Speaker 1: has a thirteen months and and seven point four months.
Speaker 1: Let's see, and if he's eligible for some of the programs,
Speaker 1: he can get um a couple more months knocked off,
Speaker 1: just like for example, Reggie, he's going he's taking his
Speaker 1: released datas February one, but he's eligible for a program
Speaker 1: that might get him released in September. So that shaves
Speaker 1: off uh September, October, November, December, January. That shaves off
Speaker 1: five months off of his sentence. With so, I guarantee
Speaker 1: you Daniel Hernandez a k A. Takashi six nine is eligible.
Speaker 1: He's probably eligible for some program because it's a low sentence.
Speaker 1: So even though he's got seven point four months left
Speaker 1: on his sentence, he might be able to get out sooner.
Speaker 1: Than that. What do you think, Nori. I know you're
Speaker 1: looking stuff there. He might I mean, you know, he
Speaker 1: might be eligible for certain credits. You you know, you
Speaker 1: never know the I mean, the fact of the matter
Speaker 1: is he's not going to do much time in there.
Speaker 1: You know, he's going to get out before we all
Speaker 1: know it. Okay, so if we calculate his releases in July,
Speaker 1: but if he's eligible for program, I'm gonna predict this
Speaker 1: guy is gonna get out of federal custody. Maybe may
Speaker 1: you think this spring? Yeah, and uh, he'll get back
Speaker 1: on on track. Um. But yeah, as the last I
Speaker 1: checked it was, But correct me if I'm wrong, or
Speaker 1: if there's other information out there that we could educate
Speaker 1: our listeners with regards. Yeah, I'm looking into that. I
Speaker 1: don't let me see the sensing reform federal sentencing eligible
Speaker 1: for release. Yeah, so because you know in uh, you know,
Speaker 1: in California, we haven't structured that. It's like fifty eight five. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's different tiers, right, right, So all I know is
Speaker 1: that you know, federal isn't set up that way with
Speaker 1: the fifty eight eighty five. But um, you may be
Speaker 1: correct with the just the five being the only number
Speaker 1: in terms of federal sentence. The last I checked. Um,
Speaker 1: and I've worked on a few of these fair cases myself.
Speaker 1: And the MINUS programs that you're eligible. Right then, the
Speaker 1: and the b OP has um wide discretion in you know,
Speaker 1: giving credits and stuff like that. Now, James mentioned a
Speaker 1: moment ago about going pro bono. I think she met
Speaker 1: pro se. Oh pro well, it's talking about pro bono
Speaker 1: for a minute, because pro bonos when you decide I
Speaker 1: don't want a lawyer, I'm going to defend myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pro bono No, no, I'm you're right. Pro Bono is
Speaker 1: when you're doing it for free, right, Um, No, it's um,
Speaker 1: when you become your own lawyer. It's proceed Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. Most lawyers don't recommend defendant to
Speaker 1: do that proper. That's what it is. It's proper. It's proper, alright.
Speaker 1: So let's we just confused everybody. We just confused everyone.
Speaker 1: So let's go through these Latin terms. Let's let's define
Speaker 1: pro bono. What is profle bono is when an attorney
Speaker 1: takes the case for free. It's like charity. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to require you to pay a retainer
Speaker 1: for my services. Correct, And you don't have to be
Speaker 1: in a lawyer to do pro bono. The consultant could
Speaker 1: go pro bono. It's just giving free services. Exactly. Now
Speaker 1: you mentioned pro se um. What is that one? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Pro se and proper believe they're interchangeable. Per se and
Speaker 1: proper the same thing. Okay, but we're talking about but appropriate.
Speaker 1: So that's so that's when somebody's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to have an attorney represent me. I'm
Speaker 1: going to represent myself now, Jacks, when you was in
Speaker 1: custody back in the eighties, did you ever have a
Speaker 1: home the saying, man, f these lawyers, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: it myself. I'm gonna go a lot of them, a
Speaker 1: lot of them. And the first thing, you just say,
Speaker 1: you represent yourself. You're the biggest dummy. In a smarter way,
Speaker 1: they say that. They say that I understanding because you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of guys make a lot of mistakes in jail,
Speaker 1: because they listened to that guy in the next cell
Speaker 1: that that that claim he know the law and this
Speaker 1: and that, and then you got you got so many
Speaker 1: jailhouse lawyers in there, and you got it may giving
Speaker 1: up soup, cigarettes and everything else back then for him
Speaker 1: to look at his paperwork and see if you can
Speaker 1: find a loophole and all this other ship, because you know,
Speaker 1: some guys, i'd really take a chance with myself. Then
Speaker 1: having his lawyer sitting next to me and won't allow
Speaker 1: me to say what I say are let me tell
Speaker 1: him just where they're wrong. Get you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and and and you're doing life in prisons. So if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get life in prison on mine as well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, even as an attorney, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: represent myself. It's just it's just not wise. You feel
Speaker 1: like you have no choice because nobody's listening to you,
Speaker 1: you know, being on the on the handside and being
Speaker 1: the one that's going to lose his life, you feel like, man,
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna lose my life, I'm not gonna let
Speaker 1: them take it with me just sitting in his chair.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be by my hands. Let me make that mistake.
Speaker 1: But I can get up and say and speak on
Speaker 1: what I think the differences between this case and a
Speaker 1: lot of them do it. And the problem with that, though,
Speaker 1: is that they don't understand you know the rules of
Speaker 1: evidence and admissibility and and also your emotions too, right,
Speaker 1: emotions on you don't know how to object And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's just so, it's just not wise. But
Speaker 1: that's why they need a program for for guys that
Speaker 1: want to represent theirselves, even give them a paralegal to
Speaker 1: deal with in jail and jails certain, that would be
Speaker 1: that would be amazing. That's liability though, that's really opening
Speaker 1: up like whoever would provide the program, Like you're opening
Speaker 1: yourself up to liability just knowing, like how much I
Speaker 1: had to learn in law school and how difficult to
Speaker 1: barge down with that. Okay, here's my question, Mari. Why
Speaker 1: do they have law libraries in the prisons and in
Speaker 1: custody facilities for the inmates to use if they're not
Speaker 1: going to be taught how to use them. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's a that's a fair argument, for sure, that's a
Speaker 1: fair But books, right, And I don't know what the
Speaker 1: heck is in these books, but they're there for me
Speaker 1: to use, right, James, But I don't know how to
Speaker 1: use them. They got they got some guys in there
Speaker 1: that know how to use figured out a lot of
Speaker 1: guys get out of jail. Yeah, you don't technicalities, but
Speaker 1: the average inmate is not going to get those sources.
Speaker 1: The average inmate don't know how to read and understand
Speaker 1: what that's like reading the Bible. Yeah, you don't understand.
Speaker 1: And a lot of you know, a lot of inmates
Speaker 1: are are illiterate. A lot of inmates don't even know
Speaker 1: how to read and write. You never get, especially all
Speaker 1: the different penal codes and different ships. You go to courting.
Speaker 1: You're talking about Johnson versus Hamilton's, and then you're talking
Speaker 1: about the cat the dog. You don't know that just brief,
Speaker 1: just an example. I mean, you're basically in a no
Speaker 1: win situation when you go to jail on defending yourself.
Speaker 1: And and I guarantee you every guy out there that's
Speaker 1: been sitting in there and been facing over five can
Speaker 1: honestly say, man, I've been to do at least five
Speaker 1: and don't you ain't got a choice. You ain't got
Speaker 1: a choice, And the system is basically set set you
Speaker 1: up for it. You can't win the bill. They know
Speaker 1: you ain't gonna be able to bill out. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they make you sit seven eight months while you're going
Speaker 1: to court if you ain't gonna take this deal. But
Speaker 1: then at the end of the day, when all that
Speaker 1: ship doesn't expired and it's time to go to trial,
Speaker 1: they come and actually, do you want to take woo
Speaker 1: woo woo right before trial? And it's that's the coldest
Speaker 1: set up they have, you know what I'm saying. Instead
Speaker 1: of fifteen, take the seven stopcats don't do that, and
Speaker 1: then they're sitting in there with fifteen of life and
Speaker 1: then try to come back. I want the original deal
Speaker 1: to seven years. You can't do it on the table anymore.
Speaker 1: You lose. Well, here's the way you completely throw a
Speaker 1: wrench in the justice system. Is one thing that defendants
Speaker 1: can do and it will completely dismantle the justice system.
Speaker 1: And this is what it is. No one take a deal,
Speaker 1: No one take a deal. Can you imagine everyone says trial, trial, trial,
Speaker 1: because the system is not designed for everyone to go
Speaker 1: to trial, right, Well, a lot of people would be
Speaker 1: getting off for violation of speedy trial rights because the
Speaker 1: d a s would be asking for more time, more time,
Speaker 1: more time. And if the client, if the defendant isn't
Speaker 1: waving time, then a lot they can get it dismissed. Dismissed.
Speaker 1: The problem with that, though, is that the d A
Speaker 1: I believe, has two chances to refile. So I've seen
Speaker 1: them do that. I've seen them like they're not prepared
Speaker 1: and they know that they are violating the defendant speedy trial, right,
Speaker 1: so they'll dismiss it and then they'll refile because then
Speaker 1: it starts the clock over, not dismissing. What do you
Speaker 1: think of that, though? Imagine if every defendant went to
Speaker 1: the trial and demanded a speedy trial. I mean, it
Speaker 1: sounds good when you say it, but there's also you know,
Speaker 1: like there are also defendants. I have clients that have
Speaker 1: gotten deals of a lifetime and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you would definitely want to take that deal. Well, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: sometimes you do get some some sweet deals, Like I've
Speaker 1: gotten some amazing deals, have gotten some Wow. You're looking
Speaker 1: at it as from an individual perspective. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: it as the entire synthetic. Yeah, as a systematic problem.
Speaker 1: Everyone go to trial, everyone demanded trial. You gotta write
Speaker 1: to a speedy trial, and you'll be seeing dismissals and
Speaker 1: even if they want to refile, they you still have
Speaker 1: new cases coming through the system and refiling is not
Speaker 1: gonna help because you still got a bunch of more
Speaker 1: new cases that just came in. And what DearS are
Speaker 1: gonna have to do is say, all right, what am
Speaker 1: I going to prosecute or what am I not going
Speaker 1: to prosecute? And those that she decides or he decides
Speaker 1: not to prosecute will get dismissing. I mean, I wish
Speaker 1: that they would really take a look at what they're
Speaker 1: filing to begin with, because sometimes, you know, I'll get
Speaker 1: a case and I'm like, wow, y'all didn't even read
Speaker 1: this discovery first before filing this, did you? Like? You know,
Speaker 1: they just file anything, and I'm like, there's some cases right,
Speaker 1: or they're just so weak that I'm like what, why,
Speaker 1: Like why would you file this? You know? Sometimes I
Speaker 1: really think they don't even read it. Well. It seems
Speaker 1: like whatever it takes to get a guilty verdict and
Speaker 1: a maximum sentence is what they'll do. Am I right
Speaker 1: or wrong? It depends. Every case is different, Every every
Speaker 1: d A is different. Some of them. Yes, I've worked
Speaker 1: on cases, and I will say this, every single prosecutor
Speaker 1: on those cases were trying to max out the defendant
Speaker 1: and get a guilty verdict even with limited to no evidence.
Speaker 1: I will say that because I've seen it. Well. Know,
Speaker 1: for example, if in the middle of a trial, we
Speaker 1: have evidence that this guy wasn't the shooter. In fact,
Speaker 1: we have information that this other person that you never
Speaker 1: questioned is the shooter. Care they don't care at that point,
Speaker 1: they're all in. They're not gonna say all your We
Speaker 1: moved to dismiss this case because we just came across
Speaker 1: some very valuable information. That's just that this guy is
Speaker 1: completely innocent and that we're pursuing the wrong guy. That's
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Nah. And that's how I've seen that
Speaker 1: happen like a dozen or more times in the last
Speaker 1: five years. I think they do it for like their career,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, you know, being bumped up
Speaker 1: in the business or whatever. You know, a lot of
Speaker 1: people got a lot of all deals with the d A. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask this very important question on expungements. Now, imagine, James,
Speaker 1: if you can get your previous conviction expunged. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if you're eligible. There's all these weird rules, but
Speaker 1: we'll have norid. I'm sure you know a little bit
Speaker 1: about expungements because you have a you have a felony conviction,
Speaker 1: but but it hampers you sometimes depending on what you
Speaker 1: want to do. For example, you can't go buy a gun. Well,
Speaker 1: I've been out. I've been out of out of the
Speaker 1: penitentiary for thirty one years now, so I feel that
Speaker 1: you should be able to live your life as a
Speaker 1: non felon. At this point, they're not doing that. They
Speaker 1: this is gonna stay with me for the us of
Speaker 1: our lights and less. I'll give you my card. Is
Speaker 1: that true? Can you speak on that? Yeah? So, I
Speaker 1: mean it. It depends on what you're trying to do.
Speaker 1: So in order, we'll start with the twelve or three
Speaker 1: point four emotions, with which are expungement motions. UM. You
Speaker 1: are eligible to expunge a conviction if you were not
Speaker 1: sentenced to state prison. UM. So for example, you know
Speaker 1: you're sentenced to county or probation and you fulfilled your
Speaker 1: obligations under that, you can move to expunge it. Now.
Speaker 1: Obviously there are people who have felony convictions where they
Speaker 1: were sentenced to state prison and they want to get
Speaker 1: that cleaned up. One of the options you can do
Speaker 1: is file a certificate of rehabilitation in the county in
Speaker 1: which you reside. So you live in l A, you
Speaker 1: would file it Downtown Department one hundred. Um, you get
Speaker 1: you know, character reference letters. Together, we discuss, Look, you've
Speaker 1: been out for thirty one years. This is what you're
Speaker 1: doing with your life now, you know, you your family man,
Speaker 1: YadA YadA, YadA. Um. And and if the judge grants it,
Speaker 1: then that acts as a recommendation of as a pardon
Speaker 1: to the governor. Um. But but getting the c o R,
Speaker 1: the certificate of rehabilitation granted, that alone restores your gun rights.
Speaker 1: So that's an option. So going you know the CR
Speaker 1: or the part the pardon route, you know you can
Speaker 1: potentially still do that. Well, I'm wonder's gonna care my
Speaker 1: gun with me? Would regardless and I don't need a
Speaker 1: piece of paper triumpan, But I definitely, I mean just
Speaker 1: to be clean and cleared. I mean that's been a
Speaker 1: long time. But um, they told me only like you
Speaker 1: had said, the misdemeanorship, I don't they charged me. Um
Speaker 1: what they call it? Um lord that musty. I got
Speaker 1: into it with a police officer. I told him to
Speaker 1: take off his gun in badge, and I whoop is
Speaker 1: that they talk me to jail and and fifty tho
Speaker 1: dollar bill fifty dollars just because of my my history.
Speaker 1: I stayed in jail three months fighting this. So they
Speaker 1: wind up saying a year probation, giving you your in probation,
Speaker 1: ship me home, walk right out to the door. I
Speaker 1: had to go back to the county jail. Didn't get released.
Speaker 1: But it's so ridiculous, a terrorist threat. We are, we're here,
Speaker 1: hi am I. Why would you look at me like that?
Speaker 1: To grow me in? Talking shi? You the police come
Speaker 1: do what you're gonna do, take that badge off. But
Speaker 1: I'll be chad now. He waited to four more cars came. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know I ain't gonna win this one. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Put your hands up, y'alla, y'all to
Speaker 1: rough you up a little bit, and I go to jail.
Speaker 1: Terrorist threat. He didn't have enough to charge me with.
Speaker 1: I said, beat your ass and I and I had.
Speaker 1: I was three months and and I got a year
Speaker 1: probation after that, So I had to walk a thin
Speaker 1: line for the probation. You know what I'm saying, not
Speaker 1: summary probation for formal probation. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. But
Speaker 1: they just wanted to try to funk with me and
Speaker 1: and this as long as they gotta tell and they
Speaker 1: got to check it on you, it don't matter. They
Speaker 1: know where you ad and what you're doing. And if
Speaker 1: they want to pull your name up and say this
Speaker 1: fits him, they can't come funk with you, Comdent and
Speaker 1: anywhere else. It's been like that. Can you go into
Speaker 1: detail on what exactly is a terrorist threat, like as
Speaker 1: what it can be, as minor, as something it could
Speaker 1: be just like that. Yeah, I see it happen all
Speaker 1: the time. And it's really comes down to it's the
Speaker 1: discretion of the d A. I mean, because what happens
Speaker 1: is the you know, the cops right up the report.
Speaker 1: In any investigation, the cops right up the report they
Speaker 1: handed off to the d A. The DA is supposed
Speaker 1: to look at it and say, okay, there's sufficient evidence
Speaker 1: here to potentially secure conviction, or no, there's really not,
Speaker 1: or they can even look at it and say, okay,
Speaker 1: his rights were violated, and so that's you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna lose that one. So I mean, how would how
Speaker 1: would you defend James that terrorist. Well, the First Amendment
Speaker 1: isn't really I mean, that's not a defense to that charge,
Speaker 1: you know, because but but you but there's a carve out.
Speaker 1: You don't have the right to to threaten people. You
Speaker 1: can't say fire right in a in a building, right,
Speaker 1: you can't. There's certain things you can't say. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what one of the one
Speaker 1: of the things you could have done is file motions
Speaker 1: to get like the disciplinary records of the cops involved,
Speaker 1: and so if they have a record or a pattern
Speaker 1: of dishonesty and lying or falsifying reports, then that could
Speaker 1: have been leverage um either for negotiating or if you
Speaker 1: took it to trial, that would be impeachment evidence. So
Speaker 1: there are different routes. Every case is different, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to say without seeing the discoverage. You
Speaker 1: have a right to take you to jail if you
Speaker 1: if you uh say, I whoope, your ass not I
Speaker 1: killed you mean, yeah, he did right, right? I mean
Speaker 1: I don't think he's right. I think that that's like
Speaker 1: some pussy ship thank you, But you know they do it.
Speaker 1: It happens all the time. I mean, if he felt
Speaker 1: threatened by me with his job because their job is
Speaker 1: beyond my conversation. You know what I'm saying for number one,
Speaker 1: man and man speaking, you shouldn't be offended. If you offended,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna use your job to do what you
Speaker 1: want to do to to make my give me a
Speaker 1: bad day. Now I'm having a bad day because you
Speaker 1: pissed off because I talked to you. Out of the the way.
Speaker 1: Put me in your car, take me around the corner.
Speaker 1: Whoop my ask my lesson. I won't say no more
Speaker 1: because the next one might be worse, and we could.
Speaker 1: But you're taking my jail and you can have a
Speaker 1: terrorist threat. Well you know that's how they play. They
Speaker 1: use the system. I mean, they shouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: use it like that. And you should have a d
Speaker 1: A or assistant of a d A to look through
Speaker 1: these cases to say, come on this, put all the
Speaker 1: best ones over here and all the ones that serious.
Speaker 1: They go bad when you take these right here and
Speaker 1: put a release on them. D A. G Rejack do
Speaker 1: something with that type of ship. Because people going to
Speaker 1: jail for spinning on the ground, it ain't cool. People
Speaker 1: going to jail for jaywalking, crossing the street is the
Speaker 1: light red. They're taking you to jail for it. Pay
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty bucks you can get out. Come on.
Speaker 1: Is it true that you can get a sexual uh
Speaker 1: case for urinating in public? I've never seen. I've never
Speaker 1: said if you want to go pee in the bush,
Speaker 1: you know you have to go, there's nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: You take a piss in the bush, the police pull
Speaker 1: up and see, that's uh, dispose something if you get
Speaker 1: convicted for it. I heard you got to register as
Speaker 1: a sex offender. I don't know. I don't know that
Speaker 1: registration on that offense is mandatory. Um, that may be
Speaker 1: one of the one of the types of charges where
Speaker 1: it's like discretionary, where I mean, I would never take
Speaker 1: a deal that included that. That's kind of silly, And
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of like an old wives, old
Speaker 1: wives tale that kind of maybe used to happen a
Speaker 1: little bit in the past. I've never personally seen that happen.
Speaker 1: I heard, I actually read it recently got me nervous
Speaker 1: because I had to take a piss in the bush
Speaker 1: the other day and all I was thinking about is, man,
Speaker 1: I hope the police don't pull up the case I
Speaker 1: do that. I would if I could, I would. And
Speaker 1: you know what, back in the day when I was
Speaker 1: like a little party monster, like when I was in
Speaker 1: my early twenties, I used to pop a squad anywhere anywhere. Man,
Speaker 1: Sometimes you got a drip drag. Alright, I want to
Speaker 1: know what exactly are we required to do as citizens
Speaker 1: when the l A, p D or any other of
Speaker 1: these local law enforcement entities pull us over for a
Speaker 1: traffic stop. What are we required? What is the minimum
Speaker 1: we're required to do? You have to provide um, I D.
Speaker 1: That's minimum. You have to give them your driver's license. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now what if I said I don't ask your questions? You, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't have to answer questions about your day, or
Speaker 1: where you're going or where you're coming from. You don't
Speaker 1: have to answer any of that. But it is required
Speaker 1: by law to show your driver's you have a license
Speaker 1: to drive the vehicle. But anything other than that, I
Speaker 1: don't have to answer. Correct. You probably also got to
Speaker 1: give me a registration an insurance. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: have it, it it would be silly not to. And that's
Speaker 1: one thing you and I am Reggie had the differences.
Speaker 1: And my thing is looking at all of these videos
Speaker 1: that that's that's on the Internet and all of this.
Speaker 1: It's more easier to just comply that's the Reggia problem
Speaker 1: than to being hassled and and and getting punched on
Speaker 1: and going through all the other ship. Some some people
Speaker 1: don't see it that way because you've got some cops
Speaker 1: that walk up to you already hotstole, so so you
Speaker 1: don't know if you're dealing with a good cop, bad cop,
Speaker 1: or whatever his temperament is at that moment. So I
Speaker 1: can be cooperating with you the whole nine, but he's
Speaker 1: still gonna act like I asked, So you can't even
Speaker 1: answer that question because you never know what officer are
Speaker 1: you dealing with at that and they don't know how
Speaker 1: I'm feeling in that car. They don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: going through exactly. So it goes both ways, James, just
Speaker 1: but but the way that they come off at you
Speaker 1: is the way I'm gonna come back at you. You
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. Now, If you got an officer
Speaker 1: that walks up and you know you got some cools,
Speaker 1: you got some cool ones. I didn't got pulled over
Speaker 1: when I knew I shouldn't went to jail. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna take you to jail. I'm not gonna take
Speaker 1: your car. I'm not gonna do this. But can you
Speaker 1: do this for me? Oh? No problem, because now I
Speaker 1: don't relaxe because you say, ain't. I ain't taking you
Speaker 1: to jail. I'm not gonna take you out your car.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about nothing. We're good. I got you. Okay,
Speaker 1: drop off now let me you never know. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, Nora. What if it's the traffic stop
Speaker 1: and the cops says I need you to step out
Speaker 1: of your car, what are we legally allowed to How
Speaker 1: can we respond legally? I mean, it just depends. Because
Speaker 1: here's here's the cold, hard facts, is that you know,
Speaker 1: if you are putting up a fight and and not complying,
Speaker 1: they have the ability to make your life a lot
Speaker 1: worse than it is. And you know they need reasonable
Speaker 1: suspicion at least to pull you out of your car.
Speaker 1: They're always going to site for officers say reasons. They're
Speaker 1: always going to cite that. But if it's just the
Speaker 1: traffic stop, I'm I'm pulled over for going through a
Speaker 1: stop sign. Shouldn't just stay at that? It? Should it
Speaker 1: absolutely should, but it's probably something that you should let
Speaker 1: your attorney fight because if you are not complying and
Speaker 1: you're giving the officer a hard time. I don't know
Speaker 1: any situation where that's going to make it better for
Speaker 1: you in that moment. Not complaining. Not complaining is not
Speaker 1: giving my driving license SoC security car. No, you have
Speaker 1: to do that, and then still telling me to get
Speaker 1: out of my car for what, by by law, I
Speaker 1: don't have to. Yeah, you can ask him what is
Speaker 1: your reasonable suspicion for further detaining? What is because you
Speaker 1: feel for your I'm sitting in my car, how do
Speaker 1: you feel for your safety? What makes it necessary? You
Speaker 1: don't smell no drugs, you don't smell no alcohol. They
Speaker 1: shouldn't do it, agreed, And they've got guns. Uh. I
Speaker 1: was living in a roar in Denver, Colorado. Six of
Speaker 1: us in the car big we were shutting, were setting drugs.
Speaker 1: The whole six cats in the card gang bangers. Now
Speaker 1: you know we've ben to be profiled, but I'm used
Speaker 1: to getting pulled in confident. Okay, we're gonna go to jail.
Speaker 1: We're doing all this ship and that officer one came
Speaker 1: to the side and the other one, he only talked
Speaker 1: to the driver and then say ship else to nobody else.
Speaker 1: The driver gave him what he won't and motherfucker's drove
Speaker 1: off drugs, goods and everything. Oh I'm gonna move out here.
Speaker 1: It's just a difference, man, It's just difference. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not a big fan of complying. I'm really not. I
Speaker 1: think you have to know you don't have to you're
Speaker 1: looking forward to look at the video of me getting
Speaker 1: pulled over. I got pulled over a couple of months ago,
Speaker 1: and I had my go pro going and I completely
Speaker 1: did well. I don't even want to say I didn't comply,
Speaker 1: because I'm not required to do that. So comply is
Speaker 1: the wrong word, you know. Now, Yeah, you give your
Speaker 1: driver's license, but outside of that, I don't feel like
Speaker 1: you should be doing anything else. I don't care if
Speaker 1: it's for officers safety. They signed up for this job.
Speaker 1: They have the guns, nine time out, the chand the
Speaker 1: police thing. This black cat looked like it look like
Speaker 1: you've been there. I guarantee you he might have some drugs,
Speaker 1: are gun right? They go on a hunch exactly, so
Speaker 1: they gotta figure way to search your car. Well, That's
Speaker 1: how I beat cases, is it car? That's how I
Speaker 1: beat the cases? Though? Is they can't. There's case laws
Speaker 1: specifically that uses the word hunch that you cannot search
Speaker 1: based on a hunch and so and you know, and
Speaker 1: then you get the cops that that line and say, oh,
Speaker 1: well I smelled marijuana. But then they don't find marijuana.
Speaker 1: You know, right, his car ain't gonna go in the
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody he's telling this to. They've gonna go smelling
Speaker 1: his car. I smelled marijuana. But me personally, I'm fifty
Speaker 1: seven years old. I ain't never smoked weed to day
Speaker 1: in my life. So I know he lied. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's the judge gonna believe that I ain't never smoked.
Speaker 1: He probably you know you're smoking, but I never smoked
Speaker 1: the day of my mind. It's very telling if if
Speaker 1: he conducts the search and doesn't find any marijuana. I
Speaker 1: love bringing that up on the stand with the cops, like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you smelled marijuana. Was it a strong scent of marijuana?
Speaker 1: Was it burning? Was it fresh? So where did you
Speaker 1: find the marijuana? Then? Oh you didn't find any? Then
Speaker 1: what were you smelling? Was it on you? Like? You know,
Speaker 1: like you really hammer on that point, like, oh, you
Speaker 1: smelled marijuana, but you searched that car. Oh my, I
Speaker 1: punk y'all gotta come watch. Yeah, yeah, I think she's hired.
Speaker 1: James watched her. No, I haven't watched her. But she
Speaker 1: was just telling that she represented uh, the guy on
Speaker 1: the nip t Well carry Lathan, the gentleman that was shot. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: she represented him. Now he was violated. This is a trip,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're on parole. For all those that
Speaker 1: are listening, a violation could be you getting shot, just
Speaker 1: just getting becoming a victor of a gunshot because you
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been in that port at the wrong time.
Speaker 1: That's that's I guess the thought behind it. But you
Speaker 1: could be walking down the street, minding your own business,
Speaker 1: your guy on parole, and some car just drives by
Speaker 1: and you get shot and you get violated for that, Well,
Speaker 1: we're getting shot. Wasn't their allegation of the violation. It
Speaker 1: was that he was he was associating and near um,
Speaker 1: a known gang member Um and there you know, Nipsey Hustle.
Speaker 1: They were saying he shouldn't have been around Nipsey. That's
Speaker 1: what they're saying. Yeah, and you know, I was reading
Speaker 1: somewhere where there's gonna be some reform coming, especially as
Speaker 1: it relates to parolees and what is what it takes
Speaker 1: to get them sent back to prison, because right now
Speaker 1: you don't have to commit a crime to go back
Speaker 1: to prison on a violation. And I think it was
Speaker 1: Van Jones, you're coming home and live better and go
Speaker 1: back to prison living above your means. You shouldn't have
Speaker 1: a car just getting out of prison. You shouldn't be
Speaker 1: living in this shape of home just getting to prison.
Speaker 1: But there's just too many simple things that you can violate,
Speaker 1: and then it's so delicate one or two or three years.
Speaker 1: And I think I was Van Jones that I heard
Speaker 1: talking about, we're going to really reform this, uh the
Speaker 1: way paroles are hope. So, and one of the things
Speaker 1: I'm working on is getting the laws changed to allow
Speaker 1: people to be removed from cal gangs, because right now
Speaker 1: there's no vehicle in the law that allows people to
Speaker 1: petition to be removed from cow gangs. And so if
Speaker 1: that was available, and let's say Nipsey Um you know,
Speaker 1: would have filed to be removed from cal gangs, Kerry
Speaker 1: never would have been arrested on the alleged violation, so
Speaker 1: it would have found something else. Well, here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: is that you know they're they're so gung ho on
Speaker 1: preaching rehabilitation and you've got to better your life and
Speaker 1: you gotta stop gang banging and and do better. But
Speaker 1: they don't offer any any relief you not be seen
Speaker 1: as a gang member in the eyes of the law,
Speaker 1: and that's that isn't fair. Like if you if you're
Speaker 1: if you're preaching rehabilitation, at least make it available to
Speaker 1: where you see me as rehabilitated. The police can't and
Speaker 1: this is me personally can't rehabilitate nobody. The police can't
Speaker 1: turn your life around by being in prison. The only
Speaker 1: person can do that is you, Like, like, take my
Speaker 1: case for instness prison what I thought it was gonna be,
Speaker 1: So why should I go back? It's totally up to you.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Rehabilitation sucks. They teach a
Speaker 1: little shit in there. Then you you havy having the
Speaker 1: guys in there can't get the job that's paying semi
Speaker 1: five sixty five cent or whatever you you fucking working
Speaker 1: picking up cans and paper and ship that ain't teaching
Speaker 1: you ship. You know what I'm saying. You go to school,
Speaker 1: but I mean, it's just so much rehabilitation is I
Speaker 1: want to ask you more about this Kyl Gangs, but
Speaker 1: I want to remind all of our listeners that you
Speaker 1: can watch snippets of this show on the Digital Soapbox
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Speaker 1: interacting here in the studios, and those videos are brought
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Speaker 1: to remind everyone if you want to HOLLI at James McDonald,
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Speaker 1: you want those death row t shirts, hit him up
Speaker 1: hundred sixty zero four. And I'm available on all social
Speaker 1: media platforms at alex Alonso one zero one and you
Speaker 1: can find me at Street Gangs dot Com and Nori.
Speaker 1: They'll tell the listeners where they can find you at. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can buy me on Instagram. My handle is at
Speaker 1: Nori Underscore the Nightmare. And I want to thank all
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Speaker 1: dot com for you Android and Samsung users. So, as
Speaker 1: I remember, cal gangs will keep you in the system
Speaker 1: unless you don't have any police contact for five years.
Speaker 1: Is that correct? That's not my understanding of it. Um,
Speaker 1: it's my understanding that there's no there's no way off
Speaker 1: of cow gangs. Well, they have to remove people from
Speaker 1: cow gangs because every year they put out the number
Speaker 1: of gang members that are in the city, and that
Speaker 1: number is not like if they always if they kept
Speaker 1: everyone in, that number would be constantly growing. Maybe if
Speaker 1: you die. Maybe if you die. Yeah, I mean I don't.
Speaker 1: But there's definitely no vehicle. Um. In terms of something
Speaker 1: that anybody can file to be removed, yeah, there's definitely
Speaker 1: no filing. But the way that I understood it is
Speaker 1: you have to have no police contact, not arrest, not
Speaker 1: going to jail, but contact meaning consensual contact or they
Speaker 1: pull up on you and for a lot of five
Speaker 1: card that's a contact. Now, how difficult it is for
Speaker 1: a brother of in South l A or East l
Speaker 1: A or the valley to not have any police contact
Speaker 1: for five years? Basically impossible? Yeah, again, no, it's not
Speaker 1: are you kidding. I stayed out of We're talking about
Speaker 1: police contact, not staying on the prison police can. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it's just how you walk. Man. What was
Speaker 1: the last time you got pulled over by the police
Speaker 1: the other day? That's police contact? So well, I mean
Speaker 1: that's what that would be a police contact. You gotta
Speaker 1: look at all this, all of this. We're talking about
Speaker 1: discount of ship, every every every time I took a picture,
Speaker 1: that's your profile, that's your tag, your tag going to
Speaker 1: prison you. He can't say it all day. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give him back this number. I'm gonna give him back
Speaker 1: this cheg and be done with it. It's so hard
Speaker 1: to get rid of that number. It's so hard to
Speaker 1: give it to that cheg one way another. That gotta
Speaker 1: know where you are. That's what it's designed for. That's
Speaker 1: that's what we are. Everybody is a number. You go
Speaker 1: to jail when when when they stopped and and just say,
Speaker 1: for instance, when when the police came and told you
Speaker 1: you came with your kids no more? And in the city,
Speaker 1: in the in the hood, what you think gonna happen
Speaker 1: when your kids don't listen to you, They're gonna get violent.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be out there hanging out, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: doing their thing. Then they're gonna go to jail. Now
Speaker 1: that they don't sell me to prison. Now they're gonna
Speaker 1: send your kids to prison. And this is how we
Speaker 1: know what we what we're dealing with. I mean, I
Speaker 1: look at it like that. Everybody don't have to look
Speaker 1: at it like that. But and there ain't too many
Speaker 1: cats out here on the street. They pull over and
Speaker 1: and go straight through their trunk and take a picture
Speaker 1: of every guy that they think is a gang banger,
Speaker 1: every guy, I don't care how old he is. They
Speaker 1: got to know who they're dealing with. And this's and
Speaker 1: it's gonna keep going forever. Like she said, I don't
Speaker 1: think you can ever get out of there if they
Speaker 1: look me up right now and go to my name.
Speaker 1: Oh you company, you from the neighborhood, Damn, I mean
Speaker 1: my fifties. Yeah, And that's that's what I'm saying. I've
Speaker 1: represented clients that hadn't been in trouble for years, a
Speaker 1: long long time, and they're still in cow gangs and
Speaker 1: it's still being brought up. So that's so what can
Speaker 1: we do? I would like to assist in um yea
Speaker 1: reevaluating the whole cow gang because another thing is they
Speaker 1: don't give access to defense attorneys. You can't just peruse
Speaker 1: the database to check it out. It's only prosecutors and
Speaker 1: police that have access to cow gangs. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we got to lobby the California legislature and and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm working on that. I got so many things
Speaker 1: on my plate, but that's definitely like at the top
Speaker 1: of my list of things to do is to address that.
Speaker 1: Who was the biggest person you represented? Well, I'm helping
Speaker 1: Snoop with his record right now. I'm getting his all
Speaker 1: his stuff expunged and trying to get his gun rights back.
Speaker 1: So probably Snoop. Yeah, it's cool. He should be able
Speaker 1: to get this back. He he's and he's doing great things.
Speaker 1: He got found no guilty on the murder that you
Speaker 1: got a clue that ain't nothing. There's no conviction there,
Speaker 1: so there's nothing to there's nothing to clean up. He
Speaker 1: ain't got too much nothing. Well, he got that one
Speaker 1: kick that Reggie Brille brings up when he when him
Speaker 1: and dads ran with the weed. Shouldn't be nothing. They
Speaker 1: can expunge y Mr. Meaning I believe it depends. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's probably. I don't know, I haven't seen listen to
Speaker 1: but this long time ago. Yeah, do you know if
Speaker 1: possession of ring a lot of his stuff I think
Speaker 1: it was even still a wobbler back then. A lot
Speaker 1: of his stuff is so old that we actually had
Speaker 1: to go to the courthouse to pull the pull the info. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had to have over ounce better right then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all I want to ask you about Jackie Lazy because
Speaker 1: she's the d A of l A County and they're
Speaker 1: going to have an election and a lot of people
Speaker 1: want to get rid of her, even though Jackie Lacey,
Speaker 1: for though, who don't know as a black woman and you,
Speaker 1: we would have thought we had we got a black
Speaker 1: d A now and maybe there's gonna be some some
Speaker 1: equitable representation. But in over five hundred officer involved shootings, James,
Speaker 1: over five hundred officers involved shootings where someone died, I
Speaker 1: guess how many officers have been prosecuted to one one
Speaker 1: and there at least I can think of at least
Speaker 1: a dozen where it's very questionable. So that's one issue
Speaker 1: that a lot of people have with her. And I
Speaker 1: would just wonder, Nori, what do you think about Jackie Lacey? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I would like to see somebody else in there. UM.
Speaker 1: But one thing that Jackie Lacey did do, UM, that
Speaker 1: she you know, we could give her credit for, is
Speaker 1: that she started the Conviction Review Unit, which looks at
Speaker 1: cases of wrongful convictions. UM. I don't know how fruitful
Speaker 1: their efforts have been. UM. I presented a case to them,
Speaker 1: me and another student on behalf of Project for the
Speaker 1: Innocent while I was still in law school, and they
Speaker 1: took the case and actually he ended up getting exonerated
Speaker 1: after twenty years of being wrongfully imprisoned. UM. But you know,
Speaker 1: I have heard some complaints about you know, that unit
Speaker 1: not really being for that mission. UM. But I you know,
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't had the pleasure of of presenting
Speaker 1: a case to them since I've had my own firm.
Speaker 1: So that is I mean the listen, the the idea
Speaker 1: of it is great. UM. Conviction review things, the Conviction
Speaker 1: Review Unit. UM. But yeah, I I would agree that. UM.
Speaker 1: I would like to see somebody a little bit more
Speaker 1: understanding in evaluating cases and in their prosecution. What about
Speaker 1: the lack of prosecuting officers and these, I mean over
Speaker 1: involved shootings under her watch, James, and in just one
Speaker 1: one UM indictment. I think, Okay, I gotta stay somewhat
Speaker 1: PC because I'm in these court houses every day. But
Speaker 1: I think that the numbers are telling. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it for you. You've got a lot of black people
Speaker 1: that get these jobs, and black black officers or whatever,
Speaker 1: and and and they do things too look good for
Speaker 1: the other people instead of their own people, and and
Speaker 1: it and it. They know how they got to be
Speaker 1: in these certain type of jobs. They can't make it
Speaker 1: look like I'm looking out for my people, or she'd
Speaker 1: have been going, you know what I'm saying, So, either
Speaker 1: you act a certain kind of way, are you out
Speaker 1: of here? They're looking at their careers, not the lives
Speaker 1: that they dumping in independitentiary. Are the people that died
Speaker 1: on the streets. They don't care about that. They cared.
Speaker 1: They worried about their career and where it's gonna take
Speaker 1: their career. I was just expecting a little bit more
Speaker 1: from Jackie Lacy. I know that I know that all
Speaker 1: five hundred plus of those cases UM aren't don't warrant
Speaker 1: an indictment, But more than one, more than one, exactly
Speaker 1: more than one. And the one that that um that
Speaker 1: they did charge was the officer that escaped from l
Speaker 1: A with his father, and his father helped him get
Speaker 1: into Mexico and then um they called him. He killed
Speaker 1: some He got out into a shooting with a quote
Speaker 1: unquote gang member. He shot and killed the gang member
Speaker 1: I think in the parking lot. It was about three
Speaker 1: or four years ago. And then he left and went
Speaker 1: to Mexico with the help of his dad and they
Speaker 1: got They have like surveillance of them crossing the border,
Speaker 1: and they actually charged the father. The father already did
Speaker 1: his time. I think he did like a year for
Speaker 1: I guess what would that what would that a charge
Speaker 1: have been? He that's well, that's a federal Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was a federal offense he aided or yeah. Um so,
Speaker 1: so federal sentencing is so complex, like their zones and
Speaker 1: then there's levels and there's like I mean, it would
Speaker 1: depend I would need to look at. So that's the
Speaker 1: officer that that Jackie Lacy eventually charge. I don't have
Speaker 1: his name here. But the last thing I want to
Speaker 1: ask you about is what's the difference between pimping and pandering, pimping.
Speaker 1: Pandering is the that's one charge. Okay, it is one charge.
Speaker 1: It always has pimping. But I saw a video when
Speaker 1: you were breaking down. Pimping and then pandering as two
Speaker 1: separate things or they have two different definitions. Was I
Speaker 1: what was I breaking down? Um? And before you answer
Speaker 1: that is um, it's pimping easy if you hip a
Speaker 1: whole lot of fun. Okay, who wrapped that? Who wrapped
Speaker 1: that song? Pip easy? Pimp easy? Come on, come on,
Speaker 1: James Short, come on man, no daddy came. Everybody does
Speaker 1: hip hop, every one. I mean, I don't heard all
Speaker 1: of them. But officer that went to Mexico. I'm want
Speaker 1: to get his name. But yeah, pimping and pandering, what
Speaker 1: is that? What is that actual? So pimp and I
Speaker 1: broke us down in the video, we should just play
Speaker 1: the video. But pimping is more um getting proceeds and
Speaker 1: benefits from the act of prostitution, whereas pandering is more
Speaker 1: encouraging UM and helping and selling your own body. Is
Speaker 1: that free? Will? I mean, I disagree with these guys
Speaker 1: taking thirteen and fourteen year old girls out there and
Speaker 1: doing it easy to be influenced wrapping is a conversation
Speaker 1: and and a lot of these guys have that conversation
Speaker 1: for these naive young women out there that don't understand
Speaker 1: and and having rough at home, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I disagree with how they take it and then
Speaker 1: take these kids. But if you thirty five years old
Speaker 1: and nine years old and you want to sell your
Speaker 1: motherfucking coop punk whoever you too, and stupid enough to
Speaker 1: give it to a cat with his head tilted, did
Speaker 1: by enemies necessary get the money? Well, there are some jurisdictions.
Speaker 1: I believe in southern Nevada it is. And then the
Speaker 1: comedian George Carlin said it best. If making money is
Speaker 1: legal and having sex is legal, then how come making
Speaker 1: money having sex is not legal? And actually you know,
Speaker 1: I mean you actually can. You can be charged with
Speaker 1: just pimping or just pandering. But I've never seen them
Speaker 1: separated when they're breaking them off like like like it's
Speaker 1: the thing they're do in Vegas. Uh, I mean they're
Speaker 1: sending you to print intentiary. Now because you take a
Speaker 1: girl from from l A and then taking to Vegas,
Speaker 1: they call that trafficing. You don't took her from one
Speaker 1: state to another and you're going to jail, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But what I said is they're getting
Speaker 1: these young girls. You know what I'm saying, These naive
Speaker 1: little kids that that think is gonna be all is
Speaker 1: and here they are. Yeah, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we just got it, you know, all right? Tell the
Speaker 1: listeners Nori where if someone wants to hire you, if
Speaker 1: they want you to, they want to consult with you,
Speaker 1: they need some advice, they want to sit in your office,
Speaker 1: they want to holler at you about the law. How
Speaker 1: can they find you? So you can go online? Uh,
Speaker 1: just type in the Noriega La offer and I'll pop
Speaker 1: right up. I'm here on will Share and libreya. Um.
Speaker 1: My office number is two on three seven zero three
Speaker 1: zero zero zero four. I prefer that people reach out
Speaker 1: that way. I do still get d MS all the time,
Speaker 1: but I if you d M me, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: instruct you to call the office. So you'll call the office.
Speaker 1: My my staffled you intake and then if it's a
Speaker 1: case that I'm interested in taking, call you back with
Speaker 1: a quote. I bet you've got a lot of d
Speaker 1: M A lot of d ms everything, everything, No, no, no, criminal, everything,
Speaker 1: criminal everything criminal. Okay, now I have I have yet
Speaker 1: to see you in the courthouse. I'm in the courthouse
Speaker 1: almost every day myself. Downtown a lot. I'm in Compton,
Speaker 1: I'm in Inglewood, I'm in a long beach, Torrents. I'm everywhere,
Speaker 1: all right. And I want to thank all the listeners
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Speaker 1: got some in the car right now, and I think
Speaker 1: he got other colors right. Uh no, I stopped at Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, it's slowed down a little bit, but they're
Speaker 1: still coming. But I'm going for the hoodies in the um,
Speaker 1: trying to get the house shoes. I'm gonna need some
Speaker 1: of those. Yeah, I'm trying to trying to hook it up.
Speaker 1: So if this guy comes through, like he said, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have house shoes, hoodies being these the whole nine. Oh,
Speaker 1: make sure you hit James at nine hundred sixty four.
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