Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to fifty nine,
Speaker 1: episode three of Dirt Day Least Like Day production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take
Speaker 1: a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Wednesday, October,
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Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien a K M M. Bought a fucking twelve foot,
Speaker 1: which I bought a fucking twelve foot which, yeah, I
Speaker 1: bought a fucking twelve foot which that is courtesy of
Speaker 1: milk Steak on the discord to the tune of Season
Speaker 1: of the Witch, which is a song that I get
Speaker 1: a case. I've got multiple a case from and I
Speaker 1: hadn't heard it before the first a K I think
Speaker 1: from Christy Amagucci Man and now it is in the
Speaker 1: rotation on in my playlist. I do like it by Donovan.
Speaker 1: My mom was I remember that was one of the
Speaker 1: first bands. My mom was like, you should check out
Speaker 1: this band Donovan, And I was like, what the funk?
Speaker 1: When did you start giving music recommendations? But that was like,
Speaker 1: that was a very big moment for me because my
Speaker 1: mom of until then was only listening to classical music
Speaker 1: and I've listened to some rock ship and she was like,
Speaker 1: you should check out of Donovan. I think I only
Speaker 1: knew about Donovan because like there was a feud with
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan at some point um, and I was like
Speaker 1: a real Dylan head when I was okay, because I
Speaker 1: was cool. Anyways, I'm thrilled to be joined as always
Speaker 1: by my co host, Mr Miles Miles Gray a K.
Speaker 1: What's go got to do? Got to do with it?
Speaker 1: Whats go? When the point histories? And oh shoots, what's
Speaker 1: vang got to do got to do with it? Who
Speaker 1: do some soup? Can ass some flowers? Okay. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Jesse Jericho for that wonderful. What's love got to
Speaker 1: do with it? A k A. Yeah, A lot of
Speaker 1: people are like, wow, just stop. Oil is doing a
Speaker 1: lot and we're calling Van Go go right now? Yeah
Speaker 1: for them for Van Go. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: you could have probably put in Van Go, like you
Speaker 1: could have fian Go into the lyrics. But I'm not
Speaker 1: here to give notes. After the fact. I take submissions
Speaker 1: and I bring them to life. Well, miles, we are
Speaker 1: thrilled to be joined in our third and fourth seats
Speaker 1: by two very funny comedians togeather host one of my
Speaker 1: favorite podcasts, Radio Lab. It's Sam Tigger and George Save. Hello, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: you know what? Thank you so much for bringing up
Speaker 1: Donovan because we both wanted to come on here and
Speaker 1: discuss our favorite musician, Donovan, right, Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: especially for you. Yeah. No, it's an honor to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassed that we don't have jingles to share.
Speaker 1: It's really humiliating. I Mean, the thing I always say is,
Speaker 1: what's your what's your goal to karaoke track? Sam, I
Speaker 1: want to know your answer to this, you know, minus
Speaker 1: fear based, which is kind of embarrassing. Fine is Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do Modern Love by David Bowie because I can
Speaker 1: sing it well and it I feel like it has
Speaker 1: a part at the end where you get to kind
Speaker 1: of yell and you get to sort of be loose,
Speaker 1: and it's like it implies that you're being like off
Speaker 1: the cuff, but I I'm I do it every time,
Speaker 1: and so it's I used to always try to do yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to always try to do um paparazzi it
Speaker 1: my voice just it's like, actually harder than you think.
Speaker 1: And I was like, do I go low or do
Speaker 1: I try to hit the high? Yeah? Actually I would
Speaker 1: always end and a really good vocalist and no one's
Speaker 1: talking about it, and no one talks about it. We're
Speaker 1: here to correct that. Thank you exactly. How about you, George.
Speaker 1: I. I I don't want to be a buzz kill, but
Speaker 1: I really karaoke is one of the few things that
Speaker 1: I really am anti across the board. I I think
Speaker 1: I think similarly to Sam it sphere based and that
Speaker 1: I I think, you know, as much as I have
Speaker 1: many talents and my arsenal singing is not one of them,
Speaker 1: and I feel very insecure whenever I am forced to
Speaker 1: sing into a microphone and then I one time had
Speaker 1: a really traumatic experience where as a joke, I chose
Speaker 1: this song by Pink to sing at a at a
Speaker 1: karaoke event, and then I and then this woman ended
Speaker 1: up kind of starting to sing with me and we
Speaker 1: had a little duet moment and we had kind of
Speaker 1: a moment, and I thought it was very sweet, and
Speaker 1: then at end she was like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: get into that. At the end, she just like looks
Speaker 1: at me and she's like, that song really reminds me
Speaker 1: of my daughter. And then just like started going into
Speaker 1: like very personal stuff that I was not really ready
Speaker 1: to kind of receive at the time. This was in
Speaker 1: rural Maine, so kind of fell in the blaze and
Speaker 1: so I think that was really the nail on the
Speaker 1: coffin for me. But one time someone made me cry
Speaker 1: when they saying Weathering Heights by kids bullish karaoke. Wow,
Speaker 1: so you want to lose something? Yeah, why not? I
Speaker 1: mean it's good to be a good to be an
Speaker 1: emotional audience member. One time the DJ cut me off
Speaker 1: halfway through she Wolf by Shakira because I was flopping
Speaker 1: so hard. See, that's my biggest fear because everyone's like
Speaker 1: and whenever I expressed that fear of people are like, no,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone is everyone's just like being themselves. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but what if I'm the one person who they do
Speaker 1: cut off because they're like, okay, well we still want
Speaker 1: to have fun here, Like, but you know you're not
Speaker 1: the one person because Sam is the one that's right.
Speaker 1: But I feel like a good karaoke night needs the
Speaker 1: people who are not great just to make sure just
Speaker 1: to keep the levels right, so people aren't completely discouraged
Speaker 1: because like there's places in l A you go and
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, motherfucker, we get it. Like you think
Speaker 1: there's an audition. Well in New York, specifically around the
Speaker 1: Watcher Broadway, they're out right, what are you guys go to?
Speaker 1: Is I have, however, done karaoke. I know it's going
Speaker 1: to be surprising to you because of how much I
Speaker 1: fucking nailed that Donovan track that that actually came from
Speaker 1: just me really feeling strongly about the fact that I
Speaker 1: did by a twelve ft which and it's the thing
Speaker 1: I feel the most pride in about my life currently. Man,
Speaker 1: we got a deepot. We need a karaoke night with
Speaker 1: the team I know we do because now that now
Speaker 1: I have song on Mike and I probably I've got
Speaker 1: the bug. Guys. Yeah, I want you to I want
Speaker 1: to hear you sing strong Enough by Cheryl Crowe. Uh
Speaker 1: huh oh, I could do that. We're going to go
Speaker 1: strong enough by Share. That's what I love to. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like the difference between you two and culture. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's the Rorschach test. Like strong enough, go share, Share girl,
Speaker 1: girl girl. All right, we're going to get to know
Speaker 1: you guys a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a few of the things
Speaker 1: we're talking about today. It turns out people don't like
Speaker 1: to work at Amazon, so we're gonna talk about that
Speaker 1: fucking news flash shocking. We are going to talk about
Speaker 1: what is it? Rainbow Rainbow Fentyl. Yeah, like the new
Speaker 1: craz You should be worried. That should be in front
Speaker 1: of your mind as a as a parent man. All
Speaker 1: of that, plenty more or maybe none of that. We'll
Speaker 1: see before we get to it, Sam George, we like
Speaker 1: to ask our guests, what is something from your search history?
Speaker 1: I looked at my search a street to see sort
Speaker 1: of what I've been up to a lot of it
Speaker 1: was pretty narcissistic, A lot of it was Sam Taggert,
Speaker 1: a lot of the Stradio Lab, a lot of Stam
Speaker 1: tagger Stradio Lab that was kind of dark. But then
Speaker 1: I actually thought the more telling one was how heavy
Speaker 1: does something need to be for you to need to
Speaker 1: find a stud in the wall? Oh? Yeah, because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to like hang stuff in my bedroom, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to like redo it, and I have no practical skills,
Speaker 1: and I'm also lazy, so on top of it all,
Speaker 1: I'm lazy. And I got a mirror that was too
Speaker 1: it was like kind of heavy, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: does it do I have to find a stud? Do
Speaker 1: I have to go buy a stud finder? And I
Speaker 1: thought I did it out of safety, but I wish
Speaker 1: I didn't have to wish to cut corners. Wait, you
Speaker 1: wish that you could have just said, fuck it, we're
Speaker 1: going drywall only just let go and let god. I've
Speaker 1: never understood why we make walls that can't just hold everything.
Speaker 1: I just don't agree. I like, still, I'm at one point,
Speaker 1: at some point I know I'll be kind of this
Speaker 1: will come back by me in the ass but I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like whatever, like you can put anything on
Speaker 1: the wall ripped out. Yeah, that's like every like vacuum
Speaker 1: thing I've had to put in a wall. And I
Speaker 1: was like, that's fine, that's enough. Two weeks later, like
Speaker 1: one of the screws like just flopping out, and I'm like, ship, Yes,
Speaker 1: they had a point about this whole stud thing. I'm
Speaker 1: in a similar school. I thought I'd rather not if
Speaker 1: I don't have to. Yeah, they should make better walls
Speaker 1: than like trusting us as they're putting it on the
Speaker 1: individual instead of the collective act, so that the builders
Speaker 1: need to be doing a better job. That's right, it's
Speaker 1: actually and I actually I also want to say, you know,
Speaker 1: it comes back to that classic tech industry slogan asked
Speaker 1: for don't ask for permission. Yeah that move fast and breaks,
Speaker 1: move fast and break things first of all, which is
Speaker 1: actually also applicable, but also asked for forgiveness, not permission.
Speaker 1: There you go, So you know, yeah, like if one
Speaker 1: in every twenty times I break the wall, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: cross that bridge when we get there. Oh sorry my
Speaker 1: TV fell on your baby. Yeah yeah, Just to be clear,
Speaker 1: both of those slogans no issues and I actually think
Speaker 1: those are my political beliefs, right, thanks for forgiveness, don't
Speaker 1: ask for permission? All good, All good here in the
Speaker 1: tech industry, in them run, things has worked out well
Speaker 1: all of us. I think Semini are two of the
Speaker 1: foremost technocratic podcasters out there. How about you, George, What's
Speaker 1: something from your search history? UM? I mean sadly so
Speaker 1: my during the day, I work as an editor at
Speaker 1: the New Gawker, and and so my search history is
Speaker 1: completely destroyed because of that, because every time some new
Speaker 1: personality comes up, I have to find out who they are.
Speaker 1: So I can tell you, you know, I just kind
Speaker 1: of finished a round of blog editing a couple of
Speaker 1: hours ago, and a new person I found out about
Speaker 1: is Emily Radikowski's new potential bow. She has seen smooching,
Speaker 1: And so we thought, you know, sometimes, you know, we
Speaker 1: do hard hitting journalism, we do kind of provocative commentary,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you got to get those clicks. And we
Speaker 1: were like, it would be fun if we did almost
Speaker 1: like a tongue in cheek, funny, ironic, sarcastic, five fast
Speaker 1: facts about this guy. And there were so few facts
Speaker 1: available that one of them is just he's a Democrat.
Speaker 1: You know, it's crazy. I almost clicked on that article, like, wow,
Speaker 1: just said I read it. I almost thought about reading that.
Speaker 1: I just love that that it's number five. He is
Speaker 1: a quote registered. Oh it's Rasio Rispo. Oh yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Do you know who that? Yeah? Of course he h exactly.
Speaker 1: He's like a New York kind of figure. One of
Speaker 1: our one of our facts is that he's friends with
Speaker 1: Nick Roll's wife. Get to know. I do want to
Speaker 1: shout out fran Hope for Hope who wrote who wrote
Speaker 1: this piece and did an incredible job with very little information. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I figured it. I mean the one thing I figured
Speaker 1: is like she's always around people who collect art. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's the one fact I feel like of
Speaker 1: her recent like uh out in society moments. I feel
Speaker 1: like she's been very close to the art world recently.
Speaker 1: Oh Emily yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Kind of a
Speaker 1: trend right now for celebt women's celebrities to date men
Speaker 1: in the art world Emarada, Chloe seventy and Jennifer Lawrence
Speaker 1: and so three is actually a pattern. Yeah, we we
Speaker 1: need to pay attention to it. Yeah, I mean, and
Speaker 1: those are called smart money launderers, that's right, Yeah, yeah, criminals.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like every time there's somebody who like
Speaker 1: gets very serious with somebody in the art world, that
Speaker 1: person it turns out to be just being like they're
Speaker 1: the best and at being in the art world because
Speaker 1: they were a grifter of some sort. Like hasn't that
Speaker 1: happened multiple times? The art word is quite literally a
Speaker 1: money laundering scheme, just a global money laundering scheme, and
Speaker 1: there's something kind of beautiful about that to just like
Speaker 1: know that there's no substance there. The new Gacker is great,
Speaker 1: by the way, Thank you very much. What is something
Speaker 1: that will stick with you, George? What is something you
Speaker 1: think is overrated? Oh? I have a really good answer
Speaker 1: for this, not to brag. I think that's something that
Speaker 1: is overrated is oral histories. Okay, Yeah, I just like
Speaker 1: don't like there's something about it where like either do
Speaker 1: the work and write a book or just kind of
Speaker 1: like do a tweet, like to do an oral history
Speaker 1: of the you know, of the Office episode where Jim
Speaker 1: and Pam go to the supermarket. Like, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't need to like have quotes from a writer
Speaker 1: that was like and then and then in the room.
Speaker 1: They someone said what if they go to the supermarket,
Speaker 1: and we said, no, they can't do that. That's crazy
Speaker 1: that it's very like loosely edited. So it makes sense
Speaker 1: that you as an editor would be anti this because
Speaker 1: that's what about a less readable just kind of loose
Speaker 1: grouping of source quotes, right. And sometimes, like you know,
Speaker 1: if there's like an episode of a show you like, actually,
Speaker 1: the best thing you can do is just rewatch that episode.
Speaker 1: You don't need an oral history of how it came
Speaker 1: to me. M m m hmm. It broke new ground
Speaker 1: sending the grocery store. I mean like when when I
Speaker 1: saw that they were going to the grocery store, I
Speaker 1: fucking lost my mind. So sometimes sometimes it eppisode like
Speaker 1: out of left field. It's not like it's like a
Speaker 1: good app you're more like, wait, how did why did
Speaker 1: this happen? Like I'm I'm talking about like the dinosaurs
Speaker 1: at like series finale, do you remember, I mean it
Speaker 1: was like this kid's show and then like suddenly it
Speaker 1: was about like like all of the dinosaurs getting exterminated
Speaker 1: by comets. That was a metaphor for global warming, and
Speaker 1: it was like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa world. I did
Speaker 1: not me at eight years old did not need to
Speaker 1: see this. I'm like, what happened to knock? The mama
Speaker 1: is gone? They all die? But I mean that's where
Speaker 1: that was. We were there for like the Henson light
Speaker 1: of it, right, rather than like, y'all y'all fucked up narrative. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that I do understand the need for an oral history,
Speaker 1: but also George, love and respect um your opinions as always. Yeah,
Speaker 1: reading them read like I could again like if we're
Speaker 1: taking it for face, like literally like let me hear it. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's one thing, but reading it is like I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm high reading Cormick McCarthy or something. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it's just like it's better in theory than in practice.
Speaker 1: You click on these things and they're like seventeen thousand
Speaker 1: words long, and you're like, I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: find a good quote for us, and like bring it
Speaker 1: to the front like a journalist, Like pretend you're a journalist.
Speaker 1: I don't pretend you have an editor and this is
Speaker 1: a journalistic institution. I don't know. Here's this interview I
Speaker 1: did with that guy. Yeah, yeah, listen to it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the the true story behind the dinosaurs episode maybe
Speaker 1: maybe is like one really good quote. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: we got all agree and that's the one we need. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I couldn't we just call
Speaker 1: it DJ Daniel right now because in his dad was
Speaker 1: his dad, my my uncle actually wrote on dinosaurs and really, yeah,
Speaker 1: fuck it, just call and get the oral history right now,
Speaker 1: right now? Should we do it? Hey? What the funk?
Speaker 1: Was up with that man? And now it works for
Speaker 1: environmental nonprofit? So he he headstrong. I think before that
Speaker 1: he was pro oil industry, and then as that episode
Speaker 1: came together, he was actually at the van go painting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he throws, that's that's what his He was taking videos.
Speaker 1: He likes to be behind the scenes. They feel strong,
Speaker 1: very strongly about soup based protest. Yeah. Yeah, it's very specific. Uh, Sam,
Speaker 1: what's something you think is overrated? Okay? I think good
Speaker 1: acting is overrated. I don't believe in acting as an
Speaker 1: art form. I think it's on the I think it's
Speaker 1: on the director to sort of make it makes sense,
Speaker 1: sort of like cast properly and like like, I think
Speaker 1: everyone has a different little special sauce. But I'm always
Speaker 1: like like I'm like, no, when someone is like bad
Speaker 1: at acting in a movie, I'm like, that's not their fault.
Speaker 1: They don't know what the hell is going on, Like
Speaker 1: it's on the director to tell them what, right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like a coach putting the worst player on the
Speaker 1: bench into the starting like lineup when you're like, you
Speaker 1: know that's not the best player, right, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's gonna get butts in the seats, so fuck it,
Speaker 1: like and we know that. That's why feel like does
Speaker 1: Harry Styles kind of fit into? That's how I feel
Speaker 1: about Harry Styles, Like he s just they're like, hey man,
Speaker 1: you should act. He's like I guess, and everyone's like,
Speaker 1: I think he's set up to fail. But I also
Speaker 1: just think anyone that's like good at acting, like they
Speaker 1: just have like a lot of times they have like
Speaker 1: ten little tricks. Like it's like I can make my
Speaker 1: lip twitch like this, so like I can fry right right.
Speaker 1: I Really it's something I for some reason, I do
Speaker 1: not believe in. I'm just always like, yeah, I guess,
Speaker 1: like Sam is not really an actress, gay, I don't know,
Speaker 1: he's more of a pop star, gay god. And I
Speaker 1: would say I'm more of an actress. I I do
Speaker 1: actually appreciate what Sam is saying, because I do think
Speaker 1: we celebrate acting too much. But but but I will
Speaker 1: be the person who's like blown away by performance and
Speaker 1: then and then I'm like, have you seen Cape Blanchett
Speaker 1: and Tarr? That was actually the thing that jumped to
Speaker 1: my mind, even though I haven't seen it. That seems
Speaker 1: to be the performance that everybody is like that this
Speaker 1: If you're going to go to a movie to watch
Speaker 1: a performance this year, that that's the one to do
Speaker 1: it for and very well directed. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: Sam's words her, it's the man, it's the todd Field. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm going to see Tar tonight. So hopefully
Speaker 1: hopefully Kate teaches me the power of acting or just
Speaker 1: make a scene and be like, I honestly don't get it, y'all.
Speaker 1: She's waving a stick around for most of the movie.
Speaker 1: It does seem like listen, I loved I liked the
Speaker 1: performs a lot. I do think when she's doing the
Speaker 1: stick stuff she could tone it down a bit. It's
Speaker 1: a lot it's very exaggerated stick acting. Does that go
Speaker 1: for all conductors? I've had that thought every time, every
Speaker 1: single time I've seen a conductor, I've been like, you
Speaker 1: could take it down. It was so I remember I
Speaker 1: played in a youth orchestra, like a youth symphony growing up,
Speaker 1: because I like super into playing trumpet as a kid.
Speaker 1: And the direct the conductor of that you symphony was
Speaker 1: so fucking pretentious, Like it's like he it's like to
Speaker 1: your point. It's like he has been like watching mixtapes
Speaker 1: of other conductors of simph like symphonies and be like
Speaker 1: that's the ship you gotta get on, like you gotta
Speaker 1: have nasty long hair, be sweating and like just over
Speaker 1: like just big animated movements. And he was like a
Speaker 1: nightmare of a person. So I give it up to
Speaker 1: the low key conductors. With a lot of conductors, it
Speaker 1: does feel like, you know, are you doing this traumatic
Speaker 1: movement for for for us the orchestra? Are you doing
Speaker 1: it for you the conductor? Like are you trying to
Speaker 1: like prove your own importance? Are you trying to like
Speaker 1: keep us in time? And like right part of it,
Speaker 1: I get like if there's a crescendo right and the
Speaker 1: and the certain section isn't giving it to you enough,
Speaker 1: You've got to like really gesture like, yo, this is fortissimo.
Speaker 1: You know, y'll playing a mezzo forte type ship. But
Speaker 1: the I don't know. Sometimes it does seem like they're
Speaker 1: doing a solo on it, like like how a rock
Speaker 1: like Santana would do a rock solo and a get
Speaker 1: right like oh fuck man, like in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: like okay, you're coming minutes yeah, or like s de Heim.
Speaker 1: Not to bring it back to Sam's least favorite musician,
Speaker 1: bass Faces, that bass face is wild as they also
Speaker 1: played bass and I was just like, yo, she's she's
Speaker 1: feeling it up. There is there a bad performance that
Speaker 1: you or something that was like noted for being a
Speaker 1: bad performance that just like didn't bother you that you'd
Speaker 1: like ride for. I mean, I don't it's hard to
Speaker 1: tell what people actually think of the quality of this performance.
Speaker 1: But Gaga's performance in House of Gucci is like so
Speaker 1: like funny in a way that I just love. Like
Speaker 1: it's like you don't need to be like good, you
Speaker 1: need to be like just giving me something. And it's
Speaker 1: like that is giving me something. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is, but it's something. The entire movie was like
Speaker 1: a structural critique of the concept of acting, like, you
Speaker 1: know what good thing is, Well, this is the most
Speaker 1: entertaining movie you've seen this year, and we are doing
Speaker 1: like just the most ridiculous. We're making fun of the
Speaker 1: idea of acting up here. Weel good with that, And
Speaker 1: I was. I even like Jared Leto's performance. I thought
Speaker 1: that his best performance today. I was like, thank you
Speaker 1: for this. I needed this. He should. I stand by
Speaker 1: my statement that that character should be the voice of
Speaker 1: Mario in the new movie. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, you know who was not
Speaker 1: going to that movie, Adam Driver, who was trying to
Speaker 1: be a good actor. He needed to put that aside.
Speaker 1: Read the roomy Halloween. Yeah, no, we can be spooky,
Speaker 1: not accurate. Jeremy Irons doing like a completely different accent.
Speaker 1: I was like, yes, you are British, just be British. Right, Oh,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break, we'll come back.
Speaker 1: We'll hear you're underrated and maybe get into some news.
Speaker 1: And we're back and Sam, do you have an underrated
Speaker 1: something you think is underrated? I do. I mean, we
Speaker 1: kind't touched on it, so it might be boring, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it anyway. I was gonna say, And
Speaker 1: underrated is climate terrorism. I think you know we've all
Speaker 1: been sort of mocking this, this soup squad, and I
Speaker 1: think any form of climate terrorism is a sleigh. And
Speaker 1: I think we need to be sort of upping the
Speaker 1: amount of climate terrorism. Yeah, it's gonna be messy. It's
Speaker 1: sort of we're for figuring ourselves out. We don't really
Speaker 1: know what to destroy or how to destroy it, but
Speaker 1: maybe we gotta make a splash. Somebody's gotta be terrorizing something, right,
Speaker 1: It's like they're too comfortable. I don't want to do it,
Speaker 1: but somebody not. There are a lot of things I
Speaker 1: don't want to do, Like right, yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to pick up the garbage. But we gotta get it together.
Speaker 1: But it ain't gonna be me. But y'all please figure
Speaker 1: it out. Up the stakes please, Yeah, I'm all in.
Speaker 1: My critique was like, why ruined something beautiful that everyone
Speaker 1: can enjoy instead of like ruining a pipeline? But it
Speaker 1: definitely got our attention more than those are. But that's
Speaker 1: the thing, Jack, you gotta think like a terrorist man.
Speaker 1: Those are soft targets. I mean, you nobody the body's
Speaker 1: looking out for you at the Van Go exhibit. So
Speaker 1: it's like it's like being a viking when you pulled
Speaker 1: up to the continent of Europe. They're like, Yo, these
Speaker 1: motherfucker's have no idea, bro, we'll fuck this place up.
Speaker 1: And I think that's how they're looking at it right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like a sucking Aston Martin dealership. They're like, you're fucked.
Speaker 1: I always I'm always a little skeptical when people are like, well,
Speaker 1: but it did get us talking, so it worked. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not that got our attention. It definitely started the conversation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it definitely did. But like I'm like, okay, when people
Speaker 1: were protesting, like the Sackler wing of the museum, You're like, okay,
Speaker 1: the name Sackler is on it. I can see the connection.
Speaker 1: Like let's go. I'm there, like I'm holding my sign.
Speaker 1: But there's something about there's too many reference kind of
Speaker 1: floating around. You're like, there's soup, there's and go, there's oil,
Speaker 1: there's a museum. I'm like, let's streamline, right, yeah, stay focused.
Speaker 1: At least throw the soup at like an at a
Speaker 1: Warhol or you know, I don't know if that would
Speaker 1: help the message, but it would at least have a
Speaker 1: more streamlined there like like funk up like a Jeff
Speaker 1: Koons piece, you know, like like a massive, massively like
Speaker 1: I'm just make him hand over fist money like probably
Speaker 1: how like like we were saying with the van Goes,
Speaker 1: like yo, bro, let's leave that man alone. He didn't
Speaker 1: even know he was successful when he died. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there are better targets in the art world. For sure.
Speaker 1: Climate needs an editorial director or a creative director. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean because right now, hard in the punts little
Speaker 1: noodles at the wall, you know, they're sort of seeing
Speaker 1: where sticks and um, they're just they're they're wasting they
Speaker 1: have an audience of rabbit audience and they're sort of
Speaker 1: squandering it, right Well, I mean I think the other
Speaker 1: thing too, is like the way like they didn't funk
Speaker 1: up the van go like they threw it at the
Speaker 1: plastic shield around the van. You know, they didn't even yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they don't have pieces like up and not
Speaker 1: just that they called ahead of time to make sure
Speaker 1: they would not ruin it. So then I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: well that's not very punk rock, right right, right, and
Speaker 1: they took notes on which kind of soup to throw.
Speaker 1: They're like that maybe something more water based. That feels
Speaker 1: a little bit too greasy. Okay, okay, okay, well we
Speaker 1: could just put red food coloring in some water. Okay coloring,
Speaker 1: you know, people throwing red paint at for That's that's
Speaker 1: like a perfect narrative like that. That's what I said,
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Yes, that makes sense to me. But
Speaker 1: this is although maybe it's more of a dada like
Speaker 1: the point is how random it is, and maybe we
Speaker 1: should like that. Maybe we're thinking in a modernist rather
Speaker 1: than postmodernist way, right right, this is the sort of
Speaker 1: sort of wave of climate terrorism. It's Tim and Eric
Speaker 1: climate terrorism. Right. We need we want to get to
Speaker 1: like the Octavia Butler point, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: we're like really fucking it up in like a laser
Speaker 1: guided way. Yeah, I think that makes sense for climate terrorism.
Speaker 1: Like the climate story, it doesn't need randomness or you know, surrealism.
Speaker 1: It's pretty it's pretty straightforward because I feel like the
Speaker 1: whole tension is like we know we're fucking the earth up,
Speaker 1: but like we don't fucking control the resource extraction or
Speaker 1: like the you know, pull the levers of like our
Speaker 1: energy mixed to burn fossil fuels. So it's like, ww
Speaker 1: do we fucking do something so right, it's in that
Speaker 1: point now it's like I don't know, man, just go
Speaker 1: fucking funk up that dealership, Go climb this bridge, throw
Speaker 1: some sup at this thing, like whatever, man, because like
Speaker 1: we can't just sucking buy paper straws and things like
Speaker 1: that's gonna fucking end it, because that's a you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's not stopping the
Speaker 1: fucking industry that's responsible for They were blewing themselves to
Speaker 1: NBA basketball courts last playoffs, which was interesting, but again
Speaker 1: I felt, yeah, it happened like multiple times in Memphis,
Speaker 1: like in the at Memphis Grizzlies home games, I think
Speaker 1: in Minnesota like that, it was like one they targeted
Speaker 1: one specific series and just kept gluing themselves to the
Speaker 1: court over and over again and and it never worked.
Speaker 1: But it was always very violent how they were like
Speaker 1: pulled off the court. So there's like also remember that
Speaker 1: one security guard who was like a fucking NFL linebacker,
Speaker 1: like reading the play, like just saw this person getting
Speaker 1: ready to get up the court. And the second they
Speaker 1: stood up there just out, yeah, they need they need coaching,
Speaker 1: they need they needed director, better director. Yeah, George, what
Speaker 1: is something you think is underrated? All right? I know
Speaker 1: I came in guns a blazing with the oral history thing.
Speaker 1: This one really stumped me. I was like, the first
Speaker 1: thought I had was having a printer, but that I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't go with that. That's the most
Speaker 1: boring possible thing anyone could ever say. But I'll say this,
Speaker 1: I think something that this is a little obvious, but
Speaker 1: going to a multiplex to see a movie, people don't
Speaker 1: realize because people don't go to movies that much anymore.
Speaker 1: They are so desperate for our business that their policies
Speaker 1: are in unhinged. It is like it is like every
Speaker 1: like AMC Regal, all those places are offering passes that
Speaker 1: are like twenty dollars a month for unlimited mo movies
Speaker 1: and they also have like a full bar with like
Speaker 1: Ayahuaska and the like. Because I really like going to
Speaker 1: the movies, and but the past few times I've went,
Speaker 1: the people i've gone with him been like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is my first time going to the movies and like
Speaker 1: three years kind of like people don't know what's going on,
Speaker 1: Like this is the this is the opportunity of a lifetime.
Speaker 1: This is your living room. If you play your cards right,
Speaker 1: nobody will be here. And you know, you can even
Speaker 1: smoke weed in there. They don't even give a fun
Speaker 1: Yeah really like the fact that all of them have
Speaker 1: Like people like I missed movie pass Well it exists.
Speaker 1: You just have to commit to one theater but there
Speaker 1: yea yeah. Yeah. I think people are focusing on the
Speaker 1: wrong thing when talking about going to see a movie
Speaker 1: in theaters because they're like, like the purest will be
Speaker 1: like we need to go see a movie in theater
Speaker 1: because it's so important to be around like the masses
Speaker 1: of people while you see this film, and it's like no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: Mass people stresses everybody out, say, like you get like
Speaker 1: the biggest, most reclining seat you could ever imagine a
Speaker 1: full bar and like you can like what do you
Speaker 1: think about the food, like you know, like the Alamo
Speaker 1: Draft houses of the world are places where they bring food,
Speaker 1: Like I like the option, but I more or so
Speaker 1: to say, I like to eat a lot and typically
Speaker 1: when I got moving, like Y'a'm gonna get high before
Speaker 1: so I eat a lot, and I'm I'm not joking.
Speaker 1: By the third act, I'm fucking struggling to fucking stay
Speaker 1: like conscious because I'm like, yeah, I would say Alamo
Speaker 1: draft I was much like oral histories, good in theory,
Speaker 1: not great in practice. Yeah. I find that they've also
Speaker 1: not as far as I know, and that this might
Speaker 1: have happened since I last checked, But they have yet
Speaker 1: to get a single order, right and very good foods
Speaker 1: not good. And they they've never gotten a single like,
Speaker 1: they've never gotten everything that you put on and you
Speaker 1: write down the order. So it's interesting that they get
Speaker 1: on paper. Here's what I have, actually a billion dollar
Speaker 1: business idea, which is that, you know, collabs are all
Speaker 1: the rage right now. I think if those movie theaters
Speaker 1: just collaborated with like in and out, and then you
Speaker 1: could get like a known entity because there and get
Speaker 1: in and out. I mean that seems kind of like
Speaker 1: a no brainer to me, right, that would be huge,
Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Why have your own kitchen, just
Speaker 1: have a little satellite kitchen right just popping in and
Speaker 1: out truck. Yeah, I mean that'd be an interesting way.
Speaker 1: How like studios to start propping up films they know
Speaker 1: we're gonna have terrible openings like you basically you just
Speaker 1: have an in and out collab opening, Like in markets
Speaker 1: with mill in and out. They're like, guys, this Super
Speaker 1: Mario film, you're gonna love it with in and out
Speaker 1: Kansas pull up. I mean though, I mean not to
Speaker 1: not to blame the theaters for not having good business,
Speaker 1: but get them Ackinsey consultant in there and they'll be
Speaker 1: up and running out and they'll probably say something like
Speaker 1: have you tried more diverse offerings? And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, we look we know you. Yeah
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, hamburgers divers and I mean like vegan options. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine all right. By the way, uh, I use
Speaker 1: my printer constantly. Printers are underrated, but thank you. Well
Speaker 1: we'll we'll skip over it on the basis of it
Speaker 1: being born. But printer having a printer yea, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that it just inspired. I can't agree that more
Speaker 1: because it makes it's excited me the idea I don't
Speaker 1: have a printer, but the times I wish I had
Speaker 1: a fucking printer, I'm always like, why the funk have
Speaker 1: I not bought a printer yet? Even if you need
Speaker 1: to print something out once a year. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: that just by one you know the print here. The
Speaker 1: printer industry, they are built to fall apart so quickly.
Speaker 1: I've never had a printer, like even when I go
Speaker 1: to use it after six months, it's like, wait, why
Speaker 1: doesn't it work? Now? It worked before? My mom has mine?
Speaker 1: Drives me crazy. My mom has this one from like
Speaker 1: eighteen years ago that just cannot fucking be stopped. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like the most like respected member of our family.
Speaker 1: Just like all right, respect to you, brother, brother printer,
Speaker 1: literally brother, all right, let's get into Amazon real quick.
Speaker 1: Turns out terrible place to work. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like just the statistics support everything that we have always suspected,
Speaker 1: Like at every level I've I've known like one person
Speaker 1: who worked at Amazon, like at an executive level, and
Speaker 1: they told me, and this was like years ago, but
Speaker 1: they told me that like they cried multiple times like
Speaker 1: on the job, and that like there was at least
Speaker 1: one person crying on the like in in their office
Speaker 1: on a regular basis, and you had to like respond
Speaker 1: to emails within three minutes at any time of day
Speaker 1: or else. He where they would be like excuse me,
Speaker 1: like hello, yeah, off task. It's also I've known many
Speaker 1: people who have worked in it in like Amazon corporate,
Speaker 1: not like in a in a warehouse, like as coders
Speaker 1: or as product managers or whatever. And it's like that
Speaker 1: ethos extends throughout the company, like from the lowest and
Speaker 1: the people at the lowest level of the totem powl
Speaker 1: to the people that are like vps. It's just it's
Speaker 1: like and and that's I think the people that end
Speaker 1: up liking it there are the people that thrive in
Speaker 1: that kind of environment, which is a personality type, right,
Speaker 1: And so like there's this leaked memo that basically just
Speaker 1: confirms like, yeah, it's a hellish fucking nightscape, but nightscape,
Speaker 1: hell escape. It's a hellish nightmarish hell escape. That's what
Speaker 1: I was trying to do. But apparently they're like with
Speaker 1: the amount of like employees that they're that are leaving
Speaker 1: the company, like their attrition rate is costing them about
Speaker 1: eight billion dollars per year and they lose three percent
Speaker 1: of hourly workers every week. So they said, well, according
Speaker 1: to this like internal research paper that I think, who god,
Speaker 1: it's the verge, uh, it said workers are twice as
Speaker 1: likely to leave by choice rather than because they were
Speaker 1: laid off or fired. It also says that the issue
Speaker 1: is widespread throughout the company, as we're just saying, not
Speaker 1: just with warehouse workers, from entry level rolls all the
Speaker 1: way up to vice presidents. The lowest attrition rate for
Speaker 1: one of the company's ten tiers of employees was almost
Speaker 1: seventy that's the lowest, with the highest reaching eight one.
Speaker 1: I feel like every you know, every company, there's a
Speaker 1: thing in like the business world called the hedgehog principle
Speaker 1: where it's like every company needs to have like a
Speaker 1: single line thesis statement that is what makes like separates
Speaker 1: them from other companies and makes them more profitable. And
Speaker 1: there's seems to be we are the best at exploiting
Speaker 1: people without you having to notice that you the customer
Speaker 1: having to notice that we're the best at treating our
Speaker 1: workers like ship. But in a way that like is
Speaker 1: behind closed doors, so so you just like turnaround and
Speaker 1: the package arrives on your doorstep and you don't have
Speaker 1: to see that we are like beating the ship out
Speaker 1: of our our employees essentially, and that that really seems
Speaker 1: like when when we talk about this, it's it seems
Speaker 1: like we talk about it in relation to other companies,
Speaker 1: where you know, other companies might have like incidentally like
Speaker 1: bad culture because of like bad management, but like this
Speaker 1: seems to be there, like at a cellular level, at
Speaker 1: a like down to the d NA. This seems to
Speaker 1: be their whole innovation is moving like just making making
Speaker 1: labor extremely cheap and moving the cheap labor and all
Speaker 1: their practices of like how they treat people like ship
Speaker 1: behind closed doors so we don't so we don't have
Speaker 1: to see it. Yeah. It also I feel like it
Speaker 1: makes like the even slightly conscious consumer look like sort
Speaker 1: of a bleeding heart liberal in this way that is
Speaker 1: like like if I like talking to my mom, who
Speaker 1: like orders a lot of Amazon, and be like, that's
Speaker 1: like their I mean, to their employees, she's she's like,
Speaker 1: it's like suddenly I'm like Bernie Sanders and like I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, like you shouldn't listen to me anymore. And
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's it's so cruel that it should
Speaker 1: be so obvious to to us all, And it's weird
Speaker 1: that pointing it out is still like radical in some way.
Speaker 1: Well it's then you like sweatshop. It's like in the
Speaker 1: nineties or the two thousand's when it almost became cliche
Speaker 1: to point out that everything, all closes are made in sweatshops.
Speaker 1: So then you were kind of like, Okay, well, I
Speaker 1: guess that's part of the world now. I mean to
Speaker 1: that end, like there's like a new proposal from like
Speaker 1: the group it's called the Commercial Customs Operation Advisory Committee
Speaker 1: when it's like like from like Walmart and ship and
Speaker 1: they've been basically talking to like you know there they
Speaker 1: give suggestions to the Customs and Order Protection on like
Speaker 1: how to streamline trade regulations, and right now they're trying
Speaker 1: to do a thing that would basically make it harder
Speaker 1: for you to realize if they were like you know,
Speaker 1: like bringing in products that were tied to labor abuse overseas,
Speaker 1: like that's their suggestion. Just yeah, just like kind of
Speaker 1: like the manifest like they're like really blogging us down,
Speaker 1: like let's just just barrel through that that way people
Speaker 1: can't really link anything back to anything untoward. But again,
Speaker 1: because I think it's funny that they are consciously realizing, oh,
Speaker 1: some consumers are becoming a little more aware of like
Speaker 1: what the human cost is to certain goods and so
Speaker 1: that they're like all in on now being like all right,
Speaker 1: funk up the manifest No one will know in terms
Speaker 1: of Amazon, like let's just crank just like fuck the
Speaker 1: attrition rate, just keep it going. And we talked about
Speaker 1: in the past how like even their own analysis, like
Speaker 1: we're gonna run through people who we can even fucking
Speaker 1: exploit in certain markets if we don't figure it out,
Speaker 1: which is I'm sure really comforting thought. I also just
Speaker 1: wanted to touch on Bezos because Mona Hulabi, like in
Speaker 1: the New York Times, did this like really interesting infographic
Speaker 1: to help people just get some scale of Jeff Bezos wealth,
Speaker 1: and it's it's really I think we always talk about, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to fathom what a hundred seventy two
Speaker 1: billion dollars looks like to an average person, But in it,
Speaker 1: you know, she's breaking down for like, for zero points
Speaker 1: seven percent of his wealth, could give every Amazon employee
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars for less than one percent of his wealth.
Speaker 1: Another one said that the average full time Amazon employee
Speaker 1: made thirty seven thousand dollar thirty seven thirty in order
Speaker 1: to accumulate as much money as Bezos a hundred seventy
Speaker 1: two billion an employee would have to start working in
Speaker 1: the Pilos scene Epoch four and a half million years ago,
Speaker 1: when hominids had just started standing on two feet. That's
Speaker 1: the head start. Oh yes, they said. Based on his
Speaker 1: wealth gains in twenty one and twenty two, his wealth
Speaker 1: was increasing five hundred dollars per second. So that means
Speaker 1: in forty weeks, the time it takes for a human
Speaker 1: adjust state, he could reimburse everyone in the United States
Speaker 1: who got IVF in the past two and a half years.
Speaker 1: That's just in forty weeks he could do that. Or
Speaker 1: in ninety five hours, he could buy a hundred sixty
Speaker 1: nine million dollar apartment on on the ninety floor of
Speaker 1: three to Park Avenue in ninety five hours. That's how
Speaker 1: much his That's how much money he makes passively. And
Speaker 1: he deserves every penny, right, That's what I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say, he deserves at all. He's the best, He's
Speaker 1: the best amounts a super no. I thought this article,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you can commute. You can consult me
Speaker 1: next time New York Times, because I feel like there
Speaker 1: were better ways to make make some of these points.
Speaker 1: The place and error or whatever I thought was good,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. But some of them kind there
Speaker 1: was one hard to fathom where it's like fingernail dust
Speaker 1: is like one one hundred millions of a centimeter. It's
Speaker 1: like sometimes with those things, I'm like, all right, who
Speaker 1: is this? Like are we just having fun with numbers here? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And like the sixty hundred and sixty nine million dollar
Speaker 1: apartment on the ninety six floor of four D, Like
Speaker 1: I have no fucking idea what that. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know about New York real estate? Who are you? Who
Speaker 1: specifically is this for? I'm like l A's most expensive
Speaker 1: houses seventy million according to selling Sunset terms? How many
Speaker 1: asaibo is that you could have os e bowls every
Speaker 1: day for seven million, which they had done. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: few more drafts of what the actual numbers they wanted
Speaker 1: to pull together were. I think they're they're trying to
Speaker 1: see look no matter how like maybe you make sense
Speaker 1: of the world through pieces of toblarone chocolate or maybe
Speaker 1: they have a few different ones toblerone chocolate versus like
Speaker 1: is what everybody else makes? And Jeff Bezos is like
Speaker 1: five Mount everests or something like that that one of
Speaker 1: a piece of tob larone is American median. That was solid,
Speaker 1: But that and the place Snira were like mixed in
Speaker 1: with a bunch of things where I had to like
Speaker 1: picture fingernail clippings, or you know the hundred and six
Speaker 1: and nine million dollar apartment on the nineties six floor
Speaker 1: of for three to Park Avenue, Like is that just
Speaker 1: to make the point to Jeff Bezos, because I feel
Speaker 1: like he's probably the only person who entered any awareness
Speaker 1: of like that real estate exists like that, who knows?
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, all right, let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk about the menace that
Speaker 1: is rainbow fentanyl. And we're back. And the media loves
Speaker 1: a good Halloween freak out, like a little like Halloween panic,
Speaker 1: and the d e A is seizing on that trend.
Speaker 1: They released a warning last week that brightly colored fentanyl
Speaker 1: pills were popping up, and there is a new trend
Speaker 1: being used to target children with brightly colored fentanyl pills.
Speaker 1: Because if there's one thing drug dealers love, it's giving
Speaker 1: away drugs for free to a demographic that does not
Speaker 1: have any money of their own. Yeah. Yeah, first of
Speaker 1: you learn at drug dealer camp. That is honestly what
Speaker 1: I thought drug dealers were when I was a kid though,
Speaker 1: because of the DARE program. I thought they were going
Speaker 1: to hold me down and forced me to do drugs, right,
Speaker 1: some guy in a leather jacket. It was just like,
Speaker 1: what's up, kid, because you've had eighties idea of what
Speaker 1: if I drug? No? This uh, this tradition is um
Speaker 1: it's as American as apple damn pie. I feel like
Speaker 1: it's just a thing that's like like that is what
Speaker 1: Halloween is for, like news, like local news, Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wonder if they like literally are like, come on,
Speaker 1: Halloweens just around the corner. What are we afraid of
Speaker 1: this year? Like we need something scary because every year
Speaker 1: it's like really, yeah, what's the new thing? Right? Well?
Speaker 1: I love those two that like the d e A
Speaker 1: is also just like excuse, like way to make yourselves
Speaker 1: look more useless. D A Like they're being like, hey,
Speaker 1: warning folks, it's us the drug warlords. They're fucking there's
Speaker 1: candy colored fentinel that will kill your kids. I don't know,
Speaker 1: look y'all, we're trying to keep the drug war going. Please,
Speaker 1: I mean that is the biggest question for me is
Speaker 1: always like who are the people that want to anonymously
Speaker 1: killed children on Halloween? Right? Like, I like, what's the
Speaker 1: profile there? Yeah, we still don't know. That's how you
Speaker 1: advertise how good your ship is? Man, right exactly, it's honestly,
Speaker 1: it's viral marketing. Yeah. Yeah, those twelve tricker treaders they
Speaker 1: got taken out. That was my ship. And there's also
Speaker 1: you have to be careful with any news story that's
Speaker 1: like rainbow based, like that the Rainbow Parties. Yeah, Rainbow
Speaker 1: Parties was that. I wonder if there's just something in
Speaker 1: and George, maybe you can like tell us this, but
Speaker 1: like something in the editor like the editor handbook that
Speaker 1: is like people, you know, people love numbers in in
Speaker 1: their titles of stories, and if you can like get
Speaker 1: a r heard rainbow in there, that's gonna like get
Speaker 1: people clicking, because I mean I think people I think
Speaker 1: the combination of like something childlike and something dangerous always
Speaker 1: freaks people out. Like you know, in this instance, like
Speaker 1: Rainbow Fentel, it's like it's like children are in danger,
Speaker 1: right right? Yeah, yeah, Rainbow Parties was the like kids
Speaker 1: wearing different colored lipsticks and giving each other blow jobs
Speaker 1: at the party and then yeah that Oprah was like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's do this. That tell us about this and
Speaker 1: we should be worried about this. Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody who's done it personally or know
Speaker 1: if it's true. But oh, Oprah's truly the queen of
Speaker 1: never being held accountable for spreading information. Like we're like,
Speaker 1: can you come get doctor? Is Oprah Dr Phil like
Speaker 1: all these doctors? Yeah, she didn't. She doesn't check credentials necessary.
Speaker 1: She goes. She runs on vibes. Yeah, she runs on vibes.
Speaker 1: She has a gut feeling, and she is the most Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes sense that she is the most famous American.
Speaker 1: The the the d A Alert actually doesn't even say
Speaker 1: anything about Halloween. It's just the media, you know. Of course,
Speaker 1: you got Fox News and also like local media, which
Speaker 1: is just most local media is just mini Fox News
Speaker 1: like that. They're just going with the same sort of bullshit.
Speaker 1: Scared often literally because there is I don't I don't
Speaker 1: have the information in front of me. But at once,
Speaker 1: at a previous job, I once edited this thing about
Speaker 1: how there are um I think it's called Sinclair broadcast
Speaker 1: and it's just like giant conglomerate that like you know,
Speaker 1: literally runs like fake local news outlets that just like that,
Speaker 1: just like ship out fox markets run and yeah, like
Speaker 1: you can see it whenever they do like those like
Speaker 1: op eds to camera or like all the anchors are
Speaker 1: like totally in line like SYNCD up eating the same
Speaker 1: script and you're like, oh sh it, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: really dark. The headline ahead of Halloween drug agents warning
Speaker 1: parents about rainbow fentanyl. Uh, it doesn't like there there
Speaker 1: is no statical like factual connection to Halloween, but it
Speaker 1: is truly before Halloween, so like they can get away
Speaker 1: with putting that up there. But I truly think that
Speaker 1: you're right, Sam that like this is this comes from
Speaker 1: an editorial meeting where they're like, all right, so what
Speaker 1: are we gonna like freak people out about? And could
Speaker 1: it possibly be rainbow colored because it's been a while
Speaker 1: since we've had a rainbow colored freak out. There's also
Speaker 1: something about freaking people out about something that is not real,
Speaker 1: because then people can almost be like few, like our
Speaker 1: kids didn't get the rainbow fent at all, like made
Speaker 1: it through another Halloween, and like because there are real dangerous.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if you guys have seen there's
Speaker 1: like some statistic about like the number of like kids
Speaker 1: that get hit by a car on Halloween. Like like
Speaker 1: it's like Halloween and it's like you talk about the
Speaker 1: real thing to be afraid of, Like we could talk
Speaker 1: about that, but it's like, but that's not juicy and
Speaker 1: it might happen, so that's not really fun to sort
Speaker 1: of talk about. It's like this is more spooky. It's
Speaker 1: in the Halloween spirit. I mean, it's like there might
Speaker 1: be a vampire right right, and just like how like
Speaker 1: a vampire isn't gonna bite you and turn you, although
Speaker 1: I hope it happens every year for me, it never does.
Speaker 1: It's just like with Vent and all, like it's like
Speaker 1: the whole ship, especially with all the like interacting with
Speaker 1: fentinal videos you see where cops are going down. It's
Speaker 1: like that's also that's also just as real as fucking werewolves,
Speaker 1: Like they're not gonna perish from looking at it. And
Speaker 1: it's interesting about like the candy thing is that like
Speaker 1: it was just because at a bust the d A
Speaker 1: did like they were keeping it in like a skittles
Speaker 1: bag or like a NERD's box, not like so they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: see what they're trying to do. They want some kid
Speaker 1: to open this and then pretend it's adults. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: they're smuggling fucking drugs. Like you don't suddenly be like,
Speaker 1: hey man, you got to open every little like statue
Speaker 1: of Maria for like Catholics, because there's heroin inside. I
Speaker 1: just saw lost. You better keep your eye on that ship. Well,
Speaker 1: we tell ourselves stories in order to live. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: veritable rainbow of different colored cars will be running over
Speaker 1: your children. That's Halloween like that. See you can get
Speaker 1: the rainbow in there and still be scare, tactical and
Speaker 1: actually help people, it seems like. But it was also
Speaker 1: the name of the pride party Sam and I are
Speaker 1: throwing next year. Come on out. Tickets are one hundred
Speaker 1: dollars and they don't someone will die. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just thinking of like it's kind of like we couldn't
Speaker 1: quit y two K, Like why two K was so
Speaker 1: fucking energizing, Why two K was fucking everything you the
Speaker 1: ship we were buying fucking merch, like where we were
Speaker 1: like half embracing like a potential disaster, but something like
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe, and it's now it's like we've
Speaker 1: got to keep kind of pushing that Y two K
Speaker 1: button and people like just enough that it seems feasible
Speaker 1: but not enough to cause a full blown panic. It
Speaker 1: really is hard to recapture the magic of Y two K.
Speaker 1: It really combines so many great things, I mean, digital
Speaker 1: fear of the digital right, futurism. There was kind of aesthetic.
Speaker 1: There was community of the kind of aesthetic of like
Speaker 1: a TLC No Scrubs video, you know, right right, but
Speaker 1: make it scary for it to hit mid night and
Speaker 1: sort of be like, I wonder if anything bad is
Speaker 1: gonna happen, and you're like in your heart, you like
Speaker 1: kind of know nothing about it is gonna happen, but
Speaker 1: at the same time it's like maybe. And then when
Speaker 1: nothing bad happens, oh, the party just gets even more popping,
Speaker 1: like what feeling? Well, like, here's the thing I remember,
Speaker 1: right because I was what this was sixteen going on
Speaker 1: sixteen That that year, I was like at my friend's
Speaker 1: house because we weren't going to some fucking cool party
Speaker 1: at the time. We just weren't cool enough to be
Speaker 1: at a like a proper y two K party. But
Speaker 1: I remember earlier that night when it was nine, we're like, yo,
Speaker 1: what happened in New York? Right? Yeah? And they're like
Speaker 1: it's all good, it's all good, and we're like few.
Speaker 1: But in my mind, I don't like to your point,
Speaker 1: like George, I don't know if I, for all the excitement,
Speaker 1: like what would have happened if the ship went at
Speaker 1: like the way we thought it was going to go
Speaker 1: and completely start falling out of this guy, right, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been ready even though we were like giddy
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah. Well, I so, first of all, like
Speaker 1: the reality of why two K is we just hadn't
Speaker 1: heard of software updates yet, like and that's all. It
Speaker 1: was like we were still the software update. We were
Speaker 1: still learning about the concept of technology, right. It was
Speaker 1: a different time. So they just told they just focused
Speaker 1: on one software update, and we're like, if this doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: we're fucked. But is there anyway that we like sensed that,
Speaker 1: you know, the thesis of this podcast, at least in
Speaker 1: my mind, is that like there is some like collective
Speaker 1: unconscious you know, that has some intuition that's at least
Speaker 1: worth looking at is there any way that like we
Speaker 1: sensed some apocalypse was coming around Why two K, and
Speaker 1: it just didn't happen until like some reckoning that ended
Speaker 1: up being September eleventh, which does that This is me
Speaker 1: bringing up September eleven twice in a single episode for
Speaker 1: no reason, but that I do wonder if people just
Speaker 1: had a sense that, like America has been fucking up
Speaker 1: and just like sending our like you know, our damage
Speaker 1: elsewhere and ignoring our damage for for so long that
Speaker 1: they were just like this gotta like something bad's gonna happen, right,
Speaker 1: Like something like catastrophic is gonna happen. And then we
Speaker 1: just like made up why two K to like give
Speaker 1: ourselves that and it didn't happen until like a year later.
Speaker 1: That's that's a theory that feels very like prophetic. Like
Speaker 1: I I'm I'm addicted to um the idea of all
Speaker 1: of this having an understanding that something bad is coming, right,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how true it is, but
Speaker 1: I love it. I feel like those people would have
Speaker 1: to be a little more aware of like what our
Speaker 1: karmic debt was from a front policy perspective's which no
Speaker 1: one was Maybe I'm wrong, but it was why it
Speaker 1: UK and America's specific thing. Well, I think the free
Speaker 1: cat was American's specific interesting, but they did talk it.
Speaker 1: They did talk about I remember in Japan like it
Speaker 1: was kind of like a funny thing, like they're like
Speaker 1: I remember being there like in the in the build
Speaker 1: up to it, and people would just say like yeah,
Speaker 1: you never know. But it was never like like they
Speaker 1: weren't having like like computer people on like in earnest
Speaker 1: news segments like they did in the US where they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, like when the clock hits, like we'll see
Speaker 1: what happens, right, you weren't they were given those people
Speaker 1: air well because there wasn't that they weren't all trying
Speaker 1: to make money off of like survival bean bowls or whatever. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do think that the time period between January twenty
Speaker 1: January two thousand and September two thousand one is such
Speaker 1: a like maybe someone has already done this, but I'm
Speaker 1: like someone should write a book about it, because it
Speaker 1: was like it was the the optimism maybe in oral history.
Speaker 1: It was like the it was the this brief time
Speaker 1: when there was optimism about a new millennium and then
Speaker 1: It's just like and then after that, any kind of
Speaker 1: history would write after that would of course have eleven
Speaker 1: as like the definitive first thing essentially that happened. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: But I'm trying to think, like what culture was released
Speaker 1: during that time. It wasn't good. Yeah, movies that were
Speaker 1: released in two thousand, oh yeah, bring it on, a
Speaker 1: scary movie. Didn't Gladiator like win all the Academy Awards
Speaker 1: and it's just like a real straight down the middle
Speaker 1: action movie. Yeah. Yeah, American Psycho. Great movie. Yeah, really
Speaker 1: good movie. But that wasn't popular at the time and
Speaker 1: has since become extremely like it didn't it didn't like
Speaker 1: crush at the box office, but it's become like the
Speaker 1: movie from that time period that I feel like most people.
Speaker 1: I mean, the fact the Gladiator is like the one
Speaker 1: best picture or did it one best picture? That's not
Speaker 1: that inspiring to me. Right, Maybe I'm at that time
Speaker 1: period being fruitful. Yeah, I don't know if it was fruitful,
Speaker 1: but it was like very specific, you know, I think,
Speaker 1: But yeah, with the White Two, I mean, it might
Speaker 1: have been more that we probably knew that technology, like
Speaker 1: we couldn't totally wrap our heads around it. And now
Speaker 1: we're in this like social media quagmire we're in now
Speaker 1: where maybe if I think, if anything, maybe our intuition
Speaker 1: was more about like technology is about to like this
Speaker 1: is about to be beyond our capabilities as a species
Speaker 1: to deal with. Yeah, like I think that. And then
Speaker 1: because I think that really came to pass, and now
Speaker 1: we're like wow, because what just four short years later
Speaker 1: of Mark Zuckerberg click clack in a way, I mean
Speaker 1: I remember, you know, just as a kid, I remember
Speaker 1: being like, something's gonna happen with Cambridge Analytica, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: you were to seem I mean this the summer before
Speaker 1: No eleven, like you know, literally on the on the
Speaker 1: front page of I think Time magazine when like on
Speaker 1: September eleven was the Summer of the Shark and it
Speaker 1: was about how they were like three shark attacks in
Speaker 1: America that summer, and so like it might just be
Speaker 1: that America needed something to be afraid of and because
Speaker 1: they like just were so closed off to the reality
Speaker 1: of the world that they had to like make up stories.
Speaker 1: But like now we have now, now we have Rainbow Fentinel,
Speaker 1: we have things to be No, we have so much
Speaker 1: to actually be worried about, and we're still making up
Speaker 1: stories to like like Rainbow fentinl to like give us
Speaker 1: fake things to be worried about, because maybe that's just like, well,
Speaker 1: it's tradition, and also it's just more reassuring there's actually
Speaker 1: no they're there, yeah, or it's like Y two k
Speaker 1: like our farewell to like frivolous bullshit fearmongering because we
Speaker 1: were about to enter the era of like real fucking
Speaker 1: ship like because unless you were like truly aware and
Speaker 1: up to date on everything. For me as a teenager,
Speaker 1: I lived in a couple of total ignorant bliss of
Speaker 1: like I don't know, dude, fucking John Oh got a
Speaker 1: new fucking pathfinder, like let's sucking drive up to the
Speaker 1: mall type ship and then you're like, wow, oh shit, right,
Speaker 1: like America is doing stuff around Like that was sort
Speaker 1: of my process. After nine eleven, our history teacher like,
Speaker 1: does anyone want to take a stab at why anything
Speaker 1: might have happened in the United States? And we were
Speaker 1: like what, Yeah, you must have more liberal school than
Speaker 1: I did because mine. Mine was like, yes, these evil
Speaker 1: people they're coming our freedom. They gotta say. As someone
Speaker 1: who at the time was living in America with non
Speaker 1: American parents. It was shocking the level of ignor. I
Speaker 1: mean the fact that suddenly our pizza was coming in
Speaker 1: American flag boxes. I was like, what is going on here?
Speaker 1: Like terrifying. Yeah, I was like, I gotta stand for
Speaker 1: the fucking national anthem. Now. I was like I used
Speaker 1: to get away with like sitting down, not doing And
Speaker 1: then also I remember as kind of like an impressionable kid,
Speaker 1: but like not understanding any of the context and being like, well,
Speaker 1: everyone has all these cars have support our troops stickers
Speaker 1: on them. I guess that must be a status symbol.
Speaker 1: And I like made my parents buy one because I
Speaker 1: saw it at the supermarket. I was, I want to
Speaker 1: be like all the other American families. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: which is such a wall because you know, where did
Speaker 1: you grow up? Well, I I I mostly grew up
Speaker 1: in Greece. My parents are Greek. But then there was
Speaker 1: a brief period for like seven years when we lived
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, which is why I don't have an
Speaker 1: action or anything. And that happened to overlap with nine, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's yeah, definitely, it was like I was
Speaker 1: from eight to two thousand five, I think really the
Speaker 1: wonderful years kind of between the Bill Clinton scandal and
Speaker 1: the second Bush administration the highlights. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well guys,
Speaker 1: it's been so fun having you on the Daily Zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: Like I said, huge fan of your show. Where can
Speaker 1: people find you? Follow you all that good stuff? Well one,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for having us to fun. You can
Speaker 1: find us both on Instagram and Twitter, and uh, like,
Speaker 1: I'm Sam Taggart on Instagram and Sam t Taggert on
Speaker 1: Twitter and George Twitter you and I'm George Severis on
Speaker 1: both should we We do have three live shows coming up.
Speaker 1: I have them written down because we we we just um,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, but we So we have one in
Speaker 1: New York for the New York Comedy Festival at the
Speaker 1: Bellhouse on Wednesday, November nine, and then we have two
Speaker 1: coming up in l A one for the Vulture Festival
Speaker 1: and on November twelth, and one more at the Allegian
Speaker 1: Theater on November fourteen. So that's that's what we have
Speaker 1: to promote today. Thank you for giving us a space
Speaker 1: and for and and and and the opportunity to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course for you. And is there a tweet or
Speaker 1: some of the work of social media that you guys
Speaker 1: have been joining. Oh yeah, Sam, do you have one?
Speaker 1: You go first? Okay, so that I actually it's just
Speaker 1: cheating because I've already treated it out also because I
Speaker 1: found out about it via another podcast, who Weekly, But
Speaker 1: I have been introduced to this. Um I'm not on
Speaker 1: TikTok intentionally so because I think it would ruin my life.
Speaker 1: But I've been introduced to this TikTok account called the
Speaker 1: v I P List I believe, and it's these two
Speaker 1: girls in New York that go to kind of iconic
Speaker 1: New York restaurants and review them. But in the most
Speaker 1: I think they're doing it as a bit in this
Speaker 1: kind of grading voice where they're like that the steadcare
Speaker 1: was terrible, then we got to art and it was awesome,
Speaker 1: And that's kind of like I'm not exaggerating. So I
Speaker 1: really want to especially shout out the bouts Is our video,
Speaker 1: which I kind of happened upon because I was, you know,
Speaker 1: because of the James Corden thing. It really is, it
Speaker 1: really is. It brings me so much joy and I
Speaker 1: have not watched a truly like seventeen times. I really
Speaker 1: encourage everyone to to look it up. Yeah. At one
Speaker 1: point they go they were talking about something and they're like,
Speaker 1: this tart needs a faro past. Oh no, it's I
Speaker 1: think it's someone get this tart a faro past. Wow.
Speaker 1: I guess as a companion piece to that, I would
Speaker 1: say Grace Kolan Schmidt's post about falt Tazaar where she
Speaker 1: was standing in front of it saying welcome back James.
Speaker 1: That was so funny. I also just imagine I know,
Speaker 1: I mean, we know Grace and we know where she lives,
Speaker 1: and it's not close about imagining like getting on a train,
Speaker 1: getting on a train from Brooklyn to go to Baltasar
Speaker 1: to take the photo for her post. And I gotta
Speaker 1: say it was worth it. That was worth it, I mean.
Speaker 1: And also did she have poster board? Did she have
Speaker 1: to also run to CBS pick up poster board and
Speaker 1: markers making science is welcome back James, and then go
Speaker 1: to mountain then snap a picture. Is impressive? Yeah, Miles,
Speaker 1: where can people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? Oh? Man,
Speaker 1: you can uh find me on Twitter and Instagram at
Speaker 1: Miles of Gray. Check Jack and I out on our
Speaker 1: basketball podcast. Miles and Jack got mad Moostie's uh, and
Speaker 1: also check me out with Sophia Alexandra on our ninety
Speaker 1: Day Fiance podcast for twenty Day Fiance. Uh. Some tweets
Speaker 1: that I like. First one from past guests, so you
Speaker 1: might be hearing from soon. Paulo Vignalan at Polo viganl
Speaker 1: and tweeted me looking for advice. No, not you, um
Speaker 1: should feel so about right, And then Pizzerina's Borrow at
Speaker 1: Tela Mundo tweeted, if your best he doesn't permanently alter
Speaker 1: the linguistic center of your brain, they are not your bestie. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's so true when the weird ways we speak
Speaker 1: ruboff on each other. Uh. I'm sure many of you
Speaker 1: know just from listening to podcasts that can ruin your brain.
Speaker 1: That was all so one of mine, which I think
Speaker 1: that's something about the mind meld that happens also to
Speaker 1: your the linguistic part of your brain. When you post
Speaker 1: three hours of podcast together on a daily basis and
Speaker 1: you start liking the same tweets, I wonder if we
Speaker 1: liked it at the exact same time, Like we just
Speaker 1: get off this and immediately like do all the same ship. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll text each other when we like a tweet a
Speaker 1: did you like it? Uh? Colin Deerson tweeted Taylor swift
Speaker 1: fandom is q and on for people who were a
Speaker 1: pleasure to have in class. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: true Taylor Swift fans, but the fact that I'm so
Speaker 1: scared that I'm like preempting it by being like, I
Speaker 1: don't look, you know, I don't know if that's true,
Speaker 1: So like, don't be mad at me. I just thought
Speaker 1: it was funny, probably suggested that maybe there's something too
Speaker 1: that tweet. Uh. You can find me on Twitter at
Speaker 1: Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find us on Twitter at
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Speaker 1: no over link off to the information that we talked
Speaker 1: about in today's episode, as well as a song that
Speaker 1: we think you might enjoy miles with song that we
Speaker 1: think people radio. Uh. This is from this artist Maya,
Speaker 1: who is like a sax player, who who's like played
Speaker 1: in like the Dad Kings, like with Sharon Jones and
Speaker 1: like the Buddhos band. Like Mark ronson the roots like
Speaker 1: guys like totally has his chops as like a sax player,
Speaker 1: but in his solo stuff, he's like melding kind of
Speaker 1: his own like indigenous heritage with like just other types
Speaker 1: of music that he's played, and it's just like makes
Speaker 1: for a nice you know, house instrumental like played in
Speaker 1: your house instrumental music. So this track is called Kukaria
Speaker 1: t u k A r i A by Coach c
Speaker 1: O C H E M E a uh and just
Speaker 1: the dope track and a lot of his work is
Speaker 1: pretty interesting, so check it all out if you want to.
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