Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season to fifty nine,
Speaker 1: episode four of Jede e Les Like Guys Day production
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show, Jason par Jane, So once
Speaker 1: again we did not have a horrible tragedy breakout right
Speaker 1: before I was about to come on, which is something
Speaker 1: that I never want to happen on a show where
Speaker 1: I'm going to be promoting my book, because it should
Speaker 1: be on like the day after a clear national tragedy
Speaker 1: or some sort of a terrible event that we've been
Speaker 1: forced to spend the entire episode talking about. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then at the very end of it having to say, well,
Speaker 1: and also if in this trying time, if you want
Speaker 1: to be distracted with uh, you know, a piece of
Speaker 1: of like humorous cosmic horror, Yeah, I have written a
Speaker 1: novel that will but again, you don't please, don't feel
Speaker 1: pressured like on this is the day of morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of like the worst today to
Speaker 1: have come on to promote a book that is a
Speaker 1: like humor cosmic cor novel like we we do. We
Speaker 1: recorded through January six, Like January six was happening on
Speaker 1: our TVs as we were recording. That was that would
Speaker 1: have been pretty distracting. I guess, yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: little bit tough. Sure, at least there there's the there
Speaker 1: was the element of the ridiculous, like the guy in
Speaker 1: like the Buffalo horns and stuff like that, Like, it
Speaker 1: was obviously horrible, but also there were still plenty that
Speaker 1: people were making fun of, so it would have to
Speaker 1: be some truly like another. Yeah, I don't know, a
Speaker 1: mass shooting involving a school or something, so but it
Speaker 1: does not look like now, not to Jinks. But yeah,
Speaker 1: this doesn't come out until tomorrow, so this episode might
Speaker 1: just be completely unusable. Jesus. Well, look, I mean the
Speaker 1: Lakers and the Sixers were robbly. That was that was
Speaker 1: a tragedy. But we'll get that. It is the day
Speaker 1: after the NBA season, so for at least half of
Speaker 1: the NBA fans, you know. But anyways, it's good that
Speaker 1: you at least evoked, brought into existence via just you know, speculation,
Speaker 1: a horrible tragedy. So that's that's at least good. How
Speaker 1: are you doing, Jason, it's been a while. Uh, it's fine. Um,
Speaker 1: I'd become a TikTok influencer, I've noticed, because yeah, I
Speaker 1: realized a couple of months ago, around in August that
Speaker 1: I had to be on there because the audiences elsewhere
Speaker 1: we're just dying off and um, it's it's so hard
Speaker 1: to watch that happened to Facebook two to see like
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're engagement and that's Facebook. Yeah they've
Speaker 1: they've done so much for us. But anyway, so that's
Speaker 1: I could spend the entire show talking about that because
Speaker 1: it is TikTok is unique, and that there's no like,
Speaker 1: you can't hire somebody to run a TikTok for you
Speaker 1: unless you do like a face off situation, because it's
Speaker 1: got to be your face, your voice. It's not you're
Speaker 1: not posting just you know, like some comedians got a Twitter.
Speaker 1: All it is some some bot posting the tour dates
Speaker 1: stuff like that. TikTok. They don't show it to anybody
Speaker 1: unless it's your face, your voice. It is the entire
Speaker 1: point of the app. It's not for uploading funny clips,
Speaker 1: it's not for anything else. That is your face and
Speaker 1: your voice. So suddenly, after spending much of my career
Speaker 1: like not even wanting people to see me, and then
Speaker 1: not wanting people to hear me, and then like joining
Speaker 1: your podcast, like well that's fine, it's just my voice. Now,
Speaker 1: it's like, no, you are judged based on how you
Speaker 1: look that day. Your your physical attractiveness will will to
Speaker 1: some degree, play into how your future books sell. It's
Speaker 1: a great world that personal charismas you didn't have any
Speaker 1: fun with it, like try like a mask or like
Speaker 1: a mustache. So at least your physically president, it is
Speaker 1: your voice, but you've obscured your sort of appearance. If
Speaker 1: that is a thing people can do, I guess that
Speaker 1: is I could have done that. I wonder yeats like
Speaker 1: Jason with the Jason mask or something, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like you know this Jason's are actually really insightful. Um,
Speaker 1: And then that way I could I could in fact,
Speaker 1: just hire some intern to put on the ruskin post
Speaker 1: for me. There you go, and then you got an
Speaker 1: audio tracking you. All right, Jason, We're gonna get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things
Speaker 1: we're talking about today. The Democrats have been told not
Speaker 1: to talk about the economy. The Republicans are talking about
Speaker 1: the economy. We'll we'll talk about how that is looking
Speaker 1: for the mid terms. Anyways, all of that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first, Jason, we like to ask eric guests, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history on a name change?
Speaker 1: Because I did I this is. You probably think I
Speaker 1: only did your podcast in the core promoting the book
Speaker 1: this week, I actually did several. Yeah, and the last
Speaker 1: one which I'm not going to say the name of
Speaker 1: it because it's another news show, and I know you
Speaker 1: have a better rivalry with all other yea like daily
Speaker 1: or weekly headline shows. Yeah, we don't even acknowledge their existence.
Speaker 1: They're not t getting as other news shows. You're gonna
Speaker 1: cut this out, actually, yeah, justin just now, we all know,
Speaker 1: we don't need to say when you say what show was.
Speaker 1: But on the show, like Cody and his co host
Speaker 1: were they they kept referring to Kanya as YEA, and
Speaker 1: I thought they were being informal, like you know, like
Speaker 1: preferring to kill Neil's just shack. I thought they were
Speaker 1: just doing it, and then finally realized, oh no, he
Speaker 1: legally had his name changed. And I probably came off
Speaker 1: like a dick because I called him Kanye during the
Speaker 1: whole thing, But no, it's legally yeah, and and so,
Speaker 1: but you know what, It's kind of like when like
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg sting changed the name of Facebook to Meta,
Speaker 1: like not everybody's respecting it. It's like, okay, fine, you're meta,
Speaker 1: but like you're still Kanye like cool. Yeah, But to
Speaker 1: some of them, I was, it's it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to like, like you're saying to be like, well, he
Speaker 1: did change his name to yeah, like puff Daddy did
Speaker 1: this a ton of times. I kept calling him puff Daddy,
Speaker 1: didn't call him Diddy, didn't call him P Diddy, puff
Speaker 1: or whatever. So did because it was easier to say, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is just confusing. It's a it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to kind of it's hard straight. So I'll just I
Speaker 1: just stick with Kanye. I'm not trying to boast about
Speaker 1: my ignorance here. I don't know Puff Daddy's current correct
Speaker 1: legal name. I think he just Diddy at the moment.
Speaker 1: That was his first one that wasn't no. The first
Speaker 1: was P Diddy, then it was he realized that the
Speaker 1: news would report if he made like slight alterations because
Speaker 1: because I think then he was like from P Diddy
Speaker 1: to just Diddy and people or like new name change,
Speaker 1: because first he was Sean Puffy Combs, then he was
Speaker 1: and then he became P Diddy. Then his soul come
Speaker 1: came out. He had that one track produced by the
Speaker 1: NEPTUNESH said the D, the I, the D, the D
Speaker 1: the why the D the I the D is? Did he?
Speaker 1: And now I think all his handles are at diddy now.
Speaker 1: But you're Sean Puffy Combs that actually spells did he? Did?
Speaker 1: I believe? Yeah? So I was confused by that. They
Speaker 1: he it's not a it's not a palindrome as he realized,
Speaker 1: and he's like, what if I NA forget it? But fine? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The name change? Do we think this? As we were
Speaker 1: mentioning that Facebook tried to name change to meta, do
Speaker 1: we think they were inspired by Metal World Peace, which
Speaker 1: was one of the more successful name changes, I feel
Speaker 1: like one that everybody was on board with. Do we
Speaker 1: think get there like that? That's so what Mark? I
Speaker 1: want people to know that Facebook went to therapy and
Speaker 1: got it together. We are now meta like Metal World Peace.
Speaker 1: We're not run our test anymore. Yeah. I think it's
Speaker 1: just it's then remember because he's just trying to do
Speaker 1: the metaverse and every article we haven't really reported out,
Speaker 1: like every report is like we're losing users. Only five
Speaker 1: people use this. People are getting sick motion sickness from
Speaker 1: VR headsets. Jason Pargean has started a TikTok account. We're fucked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's something you think is overrated? Jason, I'm not reporting
Speaker 1: this as news. That's why we have it here and
Speaker 1: not in the news section. But apparently Airbnb among their
Speaker 1: these people talk, they have Facebook groups, they are active
Speaker 1: on TikTok, and somehow I have wound up in Airbnb
Speaker 1: TikTok for some reason, and apparently bookings have collapsed. So
Speaker 1: I've got in our notes here I posted in the dock.
Speaker 1: But this is just people he's dropping on all of
Speaker 1: these groups, and apparently Airbnb owners everywhere are saying the
Speaker 1: same thing that they bookings are way, way, way down,
Speaker 1: which if you don't understand why some people are getting
Speaker 1: some like bleef from that. Airbnb like this has root
Speaker 1: up the real estate market in a very terrible way
Speaker 1: because people would snatch up these properties and then turn
Speaker 1: them flip them into Airbnbs, and it is a business
Speaker 1: model that should never have been a thing in the
Speaker 1: form that it is right now, the hotels are better
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, and the way they'll do
Speaker 1: a thing where they left listed for twent or sixty
Speaker 1: dollars a night, but by the time they've tacked on
Speaker 1: their cleaning fees and everything else. That's six hundred dollars
Speaker 1: a night. Everybody's mad at Airbnb. So hearing that these
Speaker 1: people who especially during like the stimulus period, we're taking
Speaker 1: their money and rolling it into investment properties for airbnbs,
Speaker 1: these people kind of if if this is true, kind
Speaker 1: of having to eat their words on this. It's kind
Speaker 1: of similar to when the whole n f T market collapsed,
Speaker 1: when a lot of we really didn't feel too bad
Speaker 1: for these like, I get it, it's real people losing
Speaker 1: real money, but also yeah, it's you're you're you're preventing
Speaker 1: real affordable options for people to live in when you're
Speaker 1: just hoarding all the inventory to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: what if I put a couple of fake banks is
Speaker 1: on the wall, I can charge Yeah. It's also just
Speaker 1: similar to Facebook and all the failing tech businesses that
Speaker 1: we're talking about another example, where like they were just like,
Speaker 1: what what if we just completely removed the oversight from
Speaker 1: any any of the communication, any of the journalism, any
Speaker 1: of any of the things the technologies that have existed before,
Speaker 1: such as hotels and motels. What if we were just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I no, like that. That's just like up to everybody
Speaker 1: now to to determine and like tell the truth and
Speaker 1: not be racist, and that has that has not turned
Speaker 1: out well for a lot of people, to the point
Speaker 1: that we we talked recently that Airbnb horror movies are
Speaker 1: kind of like the new Yeah, which kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you that, Jack, I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: your opinion. So Uber and Airbnb, both in their early
Speaker 1: early stages, allegedly we're only intended to be this almost
Speaker 1: what they called back when they called it the sharing economy,
Speaker 1: almost this hippies idea of if you're in your car,
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, I gotta drive the airport. Anybody else
Speaker 1: need to go to the airport this afternoon, pay me
Speaker 1: a few bucks and this and all this app does
Speaker 1: is arranged that in an Airbnb, same thing where it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: we've got a spare bedroom if you're in you know,
Speaker 1: New York, you know, for for whatever two or four
Speaker 1: dollars or not, you can stay in our bedroom instead
Speaker 1: of hotel. Like this very like friendly share and share
Speaker 1: like it's going outside the economy, it's outside of capitalism.
Speaker 1: It's just an app that organizes this transaction between two
Speaker 1: people that Obviously, since then they both become freaking hundred
Speaker 1: billion dollar venture capital monsters, because what you actually have done,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you've actually tried to make cabs obsolete
Speaker 1: by eliminating all regulation oversight. You've tried to make hotels
Speaker 1: obsolete by eliminating all the overhead costs. Do you think
Speaker 1: when they first came up with these ideas that it's
Speaker 1: true that they only thought, oh, it'll be a fun
Speaker 1: thing just for individuals, or do you think they secretly thought, no,
Speaker 1: this is a way to circumvent Yeah, I I don't know,
Speaker 1: because that there is something exciting about both of those ideas.
Speaker 1: I could see those getting off the ground a little bit,
Speaker 1: and and you know, I could see myself getting excited
Speaker 1: about the idea of like, yeah, what if we all
Speaker 1: just like shared stuff and you know, you had it
Speaker 1: was like basically a replacement for hitchhiking, except you had
Speaker 1: a technological record of like the car you were getting into,
Speaker 1: so it is safer and you weren't going to be
Speaker 1: murdered or like completely disappeared from from the planet. And
Speaker 1: then it really does seem like the trillion dollar valuations
Speaker 1: where you like where you run into trouble because that's
Speaker 1: when you have to just start enforcing like no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you we we cover this up, like anything bad that
Speaker 1: happens here, we cover it up. We have massive cords
Speaker 1: of lawyers who are are in charge of covering it up.
Speaker 1: Whereas you know, like there's Craigslist is you know has
Speaker 1: had it's you know, bumps, but like it's one that
Speaker 1: just kind of stayed the same as like we're going
Speaker 1: to replace this very specific, not profitable, like older piece
Speaker 1: of technology of like the back of the newspaper where
Speaker 1: people would advertise like come come get my mattress if
Speaker 1: you if you're in the market for a mattress, and
Speaker 1: that that feels like it's at least managed to be
Speaker 1: like not overtly evil, you know. And so maybe maybe
Speaker 1: there is a different path, But it almost feels like
Speaker 1: academic to ask the question of like what what their
Speaker 1: intentions were at that at that original point, because well,
Speaker 1: I think you can just look at the evolution of
Speaker 1: all these things that ran themselves as disruptors to a
Speaker 1: giving end history, and it seems like there's probably the
Speaker 1: vision of like someone who's like, yo, what if we
Speaker 1: we offered a different vision, but I'm sure once like
Speaker 1: you get into the VC world and you're you're relying
Speaker 1: on like venture capital to like actually make your expand
Speaker 1: your business, they're like, hold on, yeah, we can disrupt
Speaker 1: the funk out of the hotel industry. And it's more like, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe this can go in that direction. But it's hard
Speaker 1: to like, I mean, yeah, it seems like they constantly
Speaker 1: evolve in that same direction, So it's hard to know
Speaker 1: if that was always the intent or just what happens
Speaker 1: when inherently you kind of especially with Airbnb, you see
Speaker 1: a lot that people just got. They're like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I can do some like like part time landlording stuff
Speaker 1: and see how that goes, and you see how much
Speaker 1: the prices have just gone up and up and up
Speaker 1: and up to the point where, like I've seen, like
Speaker 1: in that article that you were sharing, Jason, like a
Speaker 1: lot of people talking about Palm Desert in Palm Springs,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people from l A who would
Speaker 1: rent those houses. But the houses themselves cost more than
Speaker 1: hotel rooms and like without the same amenities. So people
Speaker 1: are like, who the fund you? What do you for?
Speaker 1: Your fucking kidding with these prices. So I'm sure there's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what the middle is like, if it's
Speaker 1: half the people who are the host kind of getting
Speaker 1: you know, in over their skis with how they're pricing stuff,
Speaker 1: or you know, if that's just sort of the nature
Speaker 1: of of how these kinds of platforms move on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. All right, let's let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back. We'll talk to mid term elections and
Speaker 1: tease of your underrated Sorry I don't like to do that,
Speaker 1: but and we're back, and Jason, what is something that
Speaker 1: you think is underrated? The importance of mid term elections? Apparently,
Speaker 1: and this is something like I think a piece of
Speaker 1: history that has gotten lost, which is that the mid
Speaker 1: terms after a one the second term, that's where Mr
Speaker 1: McConnell and this Republican Senate became a thing because they
Speaker 1: want a bunch of seats in those mid terms, and
Speaker 1: everything that's tamp and sense, including losing abortion rights. That
Speaker 1: happened because because the moment McConnell gains control of the
Speaker 1: Senate and makes the world changing rule that a Republican
Speaker 1: Senate will only approve Supreme Court justices from a Republican president, like,
Speaker 1: they will not even hold a vote from like that's
Speaker 1: now the rule from now one, there will not be
Speaker 1: a vote from any Democratic Supreme Court justice as long
Speaker 1: as the Republicans hold the Senate. The McConnell rule, like
Speaker 1: that was one of the most consequential decisions ever that
Speaker 1: allowed them to obviously get an extra seat, and then
Speaker 1: that set the stage for everything that came after that.
Speaker 1: But that was that almost history pivoted on a mid
Speaker 1: term election in which of registered voters turned out, because
Speaker 1: we tend to not care about the mid terms, even
Speaker 1: though they are just as important as the presidential elections
Speaker 1: and probably more so. Yeah, but we're about run into
Speaker 1: one where I think the consequences of the Republicans of
Speaker 1: gaining both houses of Congress, which is extremely possible, are monumental.
Speaker 1: And I don't get the sense that like on Twitter
Speaker 1: among pundits they talk about the consequence. I think out
Speaker 1: among the regular average people, either they're not going to
Speaker 1: vote at all, or else they're voting based on abortion.
Speaker 1: That's a minority though, and then everybody else it's are
Speaker 1: you mad enough about high gas prices? The vote? Everybody
Speaker 1: else stay something? Yeah, I mean, especially like right now
Speaker 1: you if you want to preview of what a Republican controlled,
Speaker 1: you know, Congress looks like there are just like thirty
Speaker 1: Republicans just introduced a bill that was like a federal
Speaker 1: don't say gay bill, you know where they're just like,
Speaker 1: you know what if you like you will not get
Speaker 1: federal money if you have second if you make quote
Speaker 1: sexually oriented materials available to children, and yeah, like it's there,
Speaker 1: there there. I think they've messaged or made it clear
Speaker 1: to the people who were like looking at what they
Speaker 1: were saying that it's like, yeah, we're all in on
Speaker 1: this thing, like we're not going to hold back once
Speaker 1: we're there, Like we're trying to get this thing over
Speaker 1: the finish line to ram through as much regressive legislation
Speaker 1: as possible and also just successfully like just choke the
Speaker 1: life out of by by just putting Biden through, Like
Speaker 1: this is going to happen if the House swings Republican,
Speaker 1: which you know Pulling is suggesting, but like just the
Speaker 1: Benghazi style like hearings and you know, just NonStop attacks
Speaker 1: on on Biden which are just gonna be like so
Speaker 1: boring and just choke the life out of and like
Speaker 1: the energy out of out of people's ability to give
Speaker 1: a ship or even like take take politics seriously, I
Speaker 1: feel like, I don't know, the Republicans must have pulling
Speaker 1: the shows that that whole like they are grooming our
Speaker 1: children in the schools to become sexual deviance. They must
Speaker 1: have polling that shows people are just incredibly passionate about
Speaker 1: that and their key like demographics or whatever, because they
Speaker 1: hit that so hard and it's such a inconsequential nonsense issue,
Speaker 1: Like even if schools were even if their libraries contained
Speaker 1: nothing but filth, the school library is not where kids
Speaker 1: find they're filthy unpopular. Yeah, yeah it would if anything.
Speaker 1: It's it's the same thing as like these bitter bitter
Speaker 1: fights about how they're teaching about slavery. It's like, you
Speaker 1: know they're not listening, right, you understand that the kids
Speaker 1: are don't pay attention either way. It's like, no, we
Speaker 1: demand a whole week teaching that actually the American exceptionalism
Speaker 1: is good. Just like fine, they're not going to retain
Speaker 1: any of that. It's a school is not where that
Speaker 1: those ideas are formed just from their peers from pop culture.
Speaker 1: It's from you know, their friends and what they're watching
Speaker 1: on YouTube. But it's such a phony issue that they
Speaker 1: hit it so hard because a lot of these bills
Speaker 1: they introduced they're not gonna hold up in court a
Speaker 1: lot of cases. Doesn't matter. They want the headlines that
Speaker 1: they passed to Bible to protect the kids from the
Speaker 1: groomers in the public school system. And it's so destructive
Speaker 1: and so weird. It makes life so much harder on teachers.
Speaker 1: But they must, like I said, they must have internal
Speaker 1: polling showing that that's just such a a just a killer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it must be because they think it shows it
Speaker 1: drives turnout, because it must really motivate people to come out.
Speaker 1: It's it's like the we gotta push back on the
Speaker 1: sexual revolution thing appeals to conservative religious people like no
Speaker 1: matter what religion you are, you know, we've seen that
Speaker 1: in Michigan where you have Christians and conservative like Muslim
Speaker 1: Americans who are like, we don't want this stuff in
Speaker 1: front of our kids. And suddenly you're like, wait, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess I see the overlap here where they, you know,
Speaker 1: no matter how the religiosity of people is really feeding
Speaker 1: into that sort of like pushed back against anything they
Speaker 1: see as any kind of progress in terms of how
Speaker 1: we used sexuality in the country, and I think that's
Speaker 1: there was an article in The New Republic talking about that. Also,
Speaker 1: just like when you see like democratic analysts go out there,
Speaker 1: sometimes they're always talking about like, well, you know this
Speaker 1: economic anxiety and things like that, but there's also like
Speaker 1: this religious devotion dimension to a lot of it that
Speaker 1: is suddenly kind of resonating with more people to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what, protect our kids, right, because I think
Speaker 1: this stuff is just beyond the pale for how I
Speaker 1: was raised or my belief system, right, And it's it's
Speaker 1: it's like the a great way to get people like
Speaker 1: outraged and angry, and you know, to bringing up kids
Speaker 1: is like one of the oldest things, well one of
Speaker 1: the oldest players. And like the anti Semitic playbook is
Speaker 1: like that Jewish people attack children or eat children and
Speaker 1: babies and you know, but yeah, Bannon Bannon was saying
Speaker 1: six months go in like on on his podcast that
Speaker 1: like the future of the fight is in like PTA meetings.
Speaker 1: He was like I found my first like group of
Speaker 1: exploitable angry people in gaming forums. Like he specifically like
Speaker 1: went after like the gammer Gate thing. It was like
Speaker 1: that that was eye opening to me, and now he's
Speaker 1: going after PTA meetings he feels like that's that's where
Speaker 1: the future of the movement is is in in that anger.
Speaker 1: But let's let's stay on on politics, because it does
Speaker 1: seem like there's a continued strategy for the Democrats not
Speaker 1: to talk about the economy. Republicans are willing to talk
Speaker 1: about the economy, and there's just like, at least how
Speaker 1: it breaks down nationally, it seems like that's Republicans want
Speaker 1: to make this about the economy, but the Democrats want
Speaker 1: to make it about abortion, and that feels like not,
Speaker 1: I don't know, hiding from the economic realities of people's
Speaker 1: lives and the struggles they're going through, is probably not
Speaker 1: a not a winning formula, right. No, to be clear
Speaker 1: that there's no there's no Republican plan to fight inflation, right,
Speaker 1: no other than what they're already doing, which is to
Speaker 1: raise interest rates. Like that's there's not many levers you
Speaker 1: can pull to make that go away. You still just
Speaker 1: have the issue of production is slower than demand, and
Speaker 1: that's people are fighting over goods and prices keep going up.
Speaker 1: And the once prices are going up, everyone who is
Speaker 1: selling something has an excuse to raise their prices because
Speaker 1: you can say, oh, that's inflation. Inflation, Like who wouldn't
Speaker 1: tech on if you thought you had permission from the
Speaker 1: public to do so, right, And you know, like as
Speaker 1: you're talking Jack about the polling like in the summer,
Speaker 1: everyone's like, Wow, the Republicans really helped Democrats out by
Speaker 1: going all in on like the forced birth agenda, and
Speaker 1: it seemed like that was the thing that they were
Speaker 1: just going to let them. You know, that's like just
Speaker 1: fuel their casual strategy when despite having literal like you know,
Speaker 1: theocratic fascists like foaming at the mouth to normalize even
Speaker 1: more cruel bullshit. It's like, you do they understand the
Speaker 1: stakes because, like you're saying, Jason, like the said thing
Speaker 1: is the Republicans are fucking terrible about talking about the economy,
Speaker 1: like in a substantive way, because their economic agenda basically
Speaker 1: boils down to, hey, fuck your life, Like there's nothing
Speaker 1: much there in terms of like here's a lifeline, here's
Speaker 1: an idea, what can we do? They have like nothing
Speaker 1: to address address like income inequality. They don't pretend that
Speaker 1: wages are an issue, so they're able to just be
Speaker 1: like it's out of control. Byron's raising the prices gas
Speaker 1: is out of control. It's all because of this woke
Speaker 1: stuff that he's doing, which they've kind of they're trying
Speaker 1: to meld inflation with like whether that's student loan forgiveness
Speaker 1: or stimulus checks during the pandemic. They're just really going
Speaker 1: after that. And it's really hard to watch because like
Speaker 1: there was a note that there's an article about how
Speaker 1: like democracts were told just don't talk about the economy,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like they don't want to acknowledge the
Speaker 1: thing that is very real and happening because they don't
Speaker 1: want to suddenly make like the headlines be like, oh,
Speaker 1: democrats do think the inflation is a problem, despite the
Speaker 1: Inflation Reduction Act that they just signed. So there in
Speaker 1: this like really in effective position where they're just trying
Speaker 1: to hope that something else might shift the conversation again
Speaker 1: away from the economy, but it doesn't look like that's
Speaker 1: gonna happen, especially as like the polls type. It's just
Speaker 1: so weird the way issues fade, because you would think
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter like whether or not they held the
Speaker 1: mid terms right after the abortion ruling or whether or
Speaker 1: not they they held them. Several months later, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: the reality is still the same. If anything, we've seen
Speaker 1: further examples of now floating in a national abortion band
Speaker 1: that they would do if they had all three branches
Speaker 1: of government at some point, so you would think, but
Speaker 1: you can see it in the polling, like the relevance
Speaker 1: of the issue just kind of goes down or down
Speaker 1: down with time as people and the same thing with scandal.
Speaker 1: It's like the scandal never went away, but a few
Speaker 1: weeks later you kind of see people move on and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I guess they can still turn
Speaker 1: up at the polls. It can still turn up, but
Speaker 1: at least in the polling the passions over abortion I
Speaker 1: have as they go down. People angry about high prices
Speaker 1: just kind of swamps it because ultimately most people do
Speaker 1: vote based on how much their gases, their gasolineness. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just reality. It's and it's a good opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk to working people. But again, like ideologically, democrats
Speaker 1: are at the end of their rope for ideas they
Speaker 1: can give to tackle things like like economic inequality, because
Speaker 1: like again they've hit the peak of like a globalized
Speaker 1: economy and then anything else because on the path to
Speaker 1: this like peak that they've reached, it created all of
Speaker 1: these people left behind in the economy and to now
Speaker 1: look back at that, it's kind of like we've said before,
Speaker 1: it requires them to begin having a reckoning with like capitalism,
Speaker 1: which is just impossible. So for them, it's like, fun,
Speaker 1: just don't fucking talk about it. Maybe we can just
Speaker 1: like we can just kind of stifle the the voices
Speaker 1: that are saying something bad is happening in the economy
Speaker 1: because they like, why not just talk about inflation for
Speaker 1: what it is, like you're getting gouged by companies, right,
Speaker 1: But they can't because they're getting money from this. It's
Speaker 1: like what the relationship is all fucked up that it's
Speaker 1: even hard for them to speak honestly about it. But
Speaker 1: it would be very difficult for them to do that,
Speaker 1: especially for you know, like the mainstream establishment Democrats. I mean,
Speaker 1: the Democrats were still investing like funding campaigns of very trumpy,
Speaker 1: like hate speech spewing candidates Trump approved candidates in six
Speaker 1: primaries during this election, where they thought it gave them
Speaker 1: a better chance at winning. And it's probably gonna work
Speaker 1: and at least five of the six and maybe all
Speaker 1: six according to polling, although according to polling, should probably
Speaker 1: be on all the tombstones after the Second American Civil
Speaker 1: War since it's good, it's good for Trump to win.
Speaker 1: The primary strategy in ten was probably one of the
Speaker 1: all time biggest funk ups in the history of US politics.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they still pursue that strategy of like, well,
Speaker 1: the extremists like don't appeal to as many people. It
Speaker 1: just it's it's cynical. It's how you play politics, I guess.
Speaker 1: But it also it's Russian roulette. And you're also contributing
Speaker 1: to a discourse that is normalizing like that sort of
Speaker 1: talking those sorts of ideas, like what you're you're funding
Speaker 1: people who put those sorts of ideas. You're you're paying
Speaker 1: for commercials where they like question the legitimacy of the election,
Speaker 1: and you know, like just wild ship that and like
Speaker 1: the long there's no it seems like there's no long
Speaker 1: term vision in in that game, Like the Republicans just
Speaker 1: keep drifting further and further out to see in the
Speaker 1: Democrats just like stay on shore and are like we're
Speaker 1: the only ones you got until it becomes clear that
Speaker 1: there not going to do anything about economic inequality or
Speaker 1: you know, the economic conditions that are making people's lives difficult,
Speaker 1: at which point they lose and a party that has
Speaker 1: gone fully like white nationalists, misogynistic theocracy is now in power.
Speaker 1: And I think that I think they probably had that
Speaker 1: as like a long term like twenty year danger or
Speaker 1: something when they're when they're doing these things, but it's
Speaker 1: it's it's not like it's it we there's just this cynicism.
Speaker 1: Like I remember listening to the crooked media guys talking
Speaker 1: ahead of the Trump election and being like, we got
Speaker 1: all these bedwetters out here who like think that Trump
Speaker 1: actually has a chance, and it's like this cynicism that
Speaker 1: like we got this, we our numbers are good. They
Speaker 1: like show us what's going to happen in the few sure,
Speaker 1: and it really is fucking us. And by having that
Speaker 1: be the default position of like the only alternative to
Speaker 1: something that is quickly becoming like a just overtly fascist party,
Speaker 1: it's really it's really fucking dangerous, and it's really frustrating
Speaker 1: the fact that they won't even talk about the economy,
Speaker 1: because I mean, I think that has more to do
Speaker 1: with the fact that like the same thing that was
Speaker 1: driving Biden once he got into office to be like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, my hands are tied here. Guys like
Speaker 1: don't because like he can't do anything because of how
Speaker 1: powerful the market is and these massive corporations are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not entrenched to you is something too. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of like catch twenty two though, because one thing
Speaker 1: I know, and I got into arguments some people about this,
Speaker 1: but whether or not you think Trump is a fascist.
Speaker 1: The one thing we did find out was that making
Speaker 1: your entire campaign calling him a fascist doesn't work right
Speaker 1: among the people who would potentially vote for him or
Speaker 1: thinking about voting for him, that just that bounces off them.
Speaker 1: And all the talk about he's white nationalists, he's a massagists,
Speaker 1: that they're theocrats, all those all those are just buzzwords.
Speaker 1: Where So I my fear is that in the next
Speaker 1: election or the next or the next if you think, well, hey,
Speaker 1: the our entire campaign has to be playing like our
Speaker 1: ads are just low lights of them saying horrible things
Speaker 1: and us, Saint see it's us or the monsters. That's
Speaker 1: just not a compellion mess to people, it's just gesture
Speaker 1: to the right and say just what you want. And again,
Speaker 1: like by even backing these people in their primaries, you're
Speaker 1: normalizing in the sense like Democratic Republicans now, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, you could be a Coker Pepsi person. They're
Speaker 1: pretty similar because they're normal. That's like the binary when
Speaker 1: really it's like no, they're they're they're they're going to
Speaker 1: create a world that is even more insufferable than the
Speaker 1: one we fucking have now. But even now we have
Speaker 1: people are saying I'm the alternative. What can I offer
Speaker 1: you for a vision of the future? Not much, just
Speaker 1: that it's not this right now, and that again like
Speaker 1: it's just that's that doesn't really connect to people who
Speaker 1: might not be as engaged and are really asking questions
Speaker 1: and like what can I do to make my life better?
Speaker 1: How does how does represent it? How does representation and
Speaker 1: government affect me? And they're absolutely gonna like miss that,
Speaker 1: like really fun that fight up because I just want
Speaker 1: to point out there's this guy bo Hines who's running
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. He's like running in the thirteenth Congressional
Speaker 1: district of North Carolina. He said this like at a rally. Again,
Speaker 1: this is them talking about the economy. Is a Democrat
Speaker 1: or republican? Republican? Republican? Uh. This guy is twenty seven
Speaker 1: years old, I think, or eight or something like that.
Speaker 1: He said, Quote me and my wife, we can't afford
Speaker 1: to give up a month's salary with eight point three
Speaker 1: percent inflation, that is the equivalent of one month's salary
Speaker 1: for the average American. I know in my household, my
Speaker 1: wife and I can't afford to give up one month's salary.
Speaker 1: We have bills to bay. We have we have bills, Toby,
Speaker 1: we have a rent to pay now, he says me.
Speaker 1: And this again, this is fucking crave. And these people
Speaker 1: are this guy, he said, me and my wife's salary.
Speaker 1: Guess what. This guy has no fucking job because he
Speaker 1: lives off of a trust fund. He has no income.
Speaker 1: You look at the filings for his like her, for
Speaker 1: his campaign. He's taking money out of like the Heinz
Speaker 1: children's trust to finance this ship. And we have and
Speaker 1: so like this is a guy who wants, you know,
Speaker 1: Q and On to be his like fucking new Dad.
Speaker 1: Have no exceptions for abortions. And the Democrats think that
Speaker 1: staying silent while this fucking clown cosplays as someone with
Speaker 1: a job is the smart choice and just be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let him say that. Democrats, what about you? What's your
Speaker 1: what do you what's your take on inflation or the economy? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I really want to talk about the lack
Speaker 1: of choice people are experience, Like that's you've, you've. That's
Speaker 1: not a compelling argument for someone who's actually on the
Speaker 1: fence with the ship Jack. I know, we did a
Speaker 1: podcast a thousand years ago that crancked about the whole
Speaker 1: diconomy of Trump being a billionaire who was born wealthy
Speaker 1: but being able to, I guess speak the language of
Speaker 1: the common working people because it's it's a class thing,
Speaker 1: and class doesn't cross perfectly over into income like everything
Speaker 1: you just said. There Again, this guy's supporters, they're not
Speaker 1: going to hear that, because it's like he gets me
Speaker 1: in the same way that Trump gets me. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: Trump has never lived like you for even one day,
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, he's always been good at you know,
Speaker 1: he's got working class tastes. He ha's McDonald's. You know,
Speaker 1: he does all the until you can see these lower Yeah,
Speaker 1: these lower level Canada's doing the same thing. It's like
Speaker 1: suddenly they've got a pickup truck and they wear a
Speaker 1: car heart jacket, all those signifiers. It's like, well, this, yeah,
Speaker 1: you were you were born in Connecticut and went to
Speaker 1: a private school. You've never but if it works, it works.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to act like these people are
Speaker 1: are ignorant or whatever. I think they're just so happy
Speaker 1: to have someone who seems to care about them. It
Speaker 1: to me, it seems extremely transparent, but it feels I
Speaker 1: don't want to do the elitist thing of what are
Speaker 1: these these illiterate morons not see how they're being played
Speaker 1: because I I don't know. They're desperate. They want somebody
Speaker 1: who acts like they're standing up for them. And if
Speaker 1: you're if you're on a fixed income, you're some older
Speaker 1: person trying to get buying your Social Security check in
Speaker 1: a part time job. Man, that inflation is killer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And my critique isn't of the people who would say, wow,
Speaker 1: this guy gets me. It's the fact that the Democrats
Speaker 1: are just as easily like you have just as many
Speaker 1: trust fund or millionaire people there who are like, I
Speaker 1: can't I don't know how to talk to working people
Speaker 1: at all. You're like, I just don't, and I think
Speaker 1: that's that's also like my confusion is to completely seed
Speaker 1: the ground to have a substantive like actually say things
Speaker 1: like if you're you're really trying to connect to people
Speaker 1: like that, you have to you have to speak to
Speaker 1: the lived experience of those people and not just like
Speaker 1: these sort of kind of like sort of these speculative
Speaker 1: like boogeymen that they cast in the in the future
Speaker 1: to avoid like really talking about how we can change
Speaker 1: things now. It all seems like things that should be
Speaker 1: very easy to defend against if you're a smart campaign
Speaker 1: or a smart politician, right, Like the claims, everything they
Speaker 1: claim about themselves, the conspiracy stuff, because that is part
Speaker 1: of the whole The schools are grooming our children. You're
Speaker 1: looking in the Q and on people because that's you know,
Speaker 1: it's you're you're sending code words about the powerful trying
Speaker 1: to groom your innocent children into weird sex stuff. You
Speaker 1: would think in a better world it would be very
Speaker 1: easy to counter that with straight talk about you know,
Speaker 1: catching table issues. But you see it, But these elections
Speaker 1: are either very close or else, Like it's I don't
Speaker 1: know if it feels like this shouldn't work. But I
Speaker 1: will admit to anybody listening to who listens to this show,
Speaker 1: who hate listens because they want to do their own
Speaker 1: show about how terrible we are, I will admit I'm
Speaker 1: out of touch because I don't see why it's not
Speaker 1: the example you just gave this guy, I don't see
Speaker 1: why it's not. You can't just knock him down with
Speaker 1: a single ad exposing his real background or his work whatever.
Speaker 1: But I know, yeah, it feels like it should be
Speaker 1: easy to defeat, but it's not right. It's more just
Speaker 1: like the idea that you're like saying, well, tell like
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm running, I'm asking leadership, why can't
Speaker 1: I talk about the economy? Right? Why can't I? Because
Speaker 1: it's actually like by avoid, it's you avoid that discussion
Speaker 1: at your own peril. And I'm not saying that that's
Speaker 1: the key to even taking bo Heinzen or something like that,
Speaker 1: but just in general to avoid like again like this,
Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Biden wrote in on this like vision
Speaker 1: of like the build back better thing, and people were like, oh, interesting,
Speaker 1: You're saying new different things about the world we're living in.
Speaker 1: But now it's like, don't talk about that, Just fucking
Speaker 1: avoid that, even though it's probably compelling for a lot
Speaker 1: of people to hear. Are only upset about the economy
Speaker 1: because politicians are talking about it versus they went to
Speaker 1: go buy eggs at the store and the eggs cost
Speaker 1: three times much about they used to, Like, you don't
Speaker 1: need to talk about the economy for them to feel it.
Speaker 1: It's it's their everyday if they they're looking at the
Speaker 1: receipt right now. So, yeah, that's that's very strange to
Speaker 1: think you can distract people from that. It's like kind
Speaker 1: of nothing else matters after that. But bright, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I think it just gives It's just like you're
Speaker 1: you're also arming any person running against a Democrat with
Speaker 1: even more like just more ammunition to be like they
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it because they know how
Speaker 1: bad it is. They know how bad is they don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about They want to they want to
Speaker 1: subdue any like report that would suggest there's any kind
Speaker 1: of recession occurring or anything like that, and it's just
Speaker 1: just talk about like the stuff that is okay. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's just like it is a disservice to
Speaker 1: people who are probably for the first time, like I'm
Speaker 1: completely underwater with bills that I have to pay. Things
Speaker 1: are just exponentially becoming more expensive, and my paycheck can't
Speaker 1: keep up with that. I need a solution to that, Like,
Speaker 1: can you say something that I can believe in that
Speaker 1: makes sense that you're going to adjust the scales or
Speaker 1: that rebalance the scales. But again, this is like stuff
Speaker 1: that's so antithetical to how the mainstream Democratic Party speaks
Speaker 1: that it just kind of like Google. They don't have
Speaker 1: an answer that is not like let the market decide
Speaker 1: and the market is gone gone haywire, and they're kind
Speaker 1: of at a loss for for what to say in
Speaker 1: this case. So all right, well, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we'll come back and talk about the structure
Speaker 1: of the universe. And we're back, and Jason, your new book,
Speaker 1: as the title suggests, is about the multiverse, right, a
Speaker 1: multiverse different different universes. Yeah, there's an element of that
Speaker 1: in there, which I'm not saying that I was ahead
Speaker 1: of the curve on this. It does take like three
Speaker 1: years to get a novel from idea to the to
Speaker 1: the world. So the fact that there's like nine moves
Speaker 1: about multiverses in the last year, Like it's in the title. Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, because already I have a book that if
Speaker 1: I describe I describe it, it's it's it comes off
Speaker 1: as like, oh, so it's like a book version of
Speaker 1: Rick and Morty, like these two. It's like this this guy,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of he's kind of crass and and
Speaker 1: and but also there's weird stuff coming from other universes
Speaker 1: and that you're always like dissecting some sort of a
Speaker 1: sci fi trope in some horrible way, and it's very
Speaker 1: profane since the humor. It's like, Okay, listen, I started
Speaker 1: writing this in like two thousand. This is people write
Speaker 1: Rick and Morty not even been born when I started writing.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it. Yeah, I mean that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's always been like fun multiverse stuff and in your books.
Speaker 1: So that just made me want to, like, I think
Speaker 1: a lot about the multiverse. Do you think of it
Speaker 1: as like a fun plot device to play with or
Speaker 1: is it a actual like scientific theory you take seriously?
Speaker 1: How do you think about it? So? I have read
Speaker 1: books about the many worlds interpretation of physics and by
Speaker 1: many by books. I mean, I have watched two TikTok's
Speaker 1: from Paint Green explain it, of course, about four or
Speaker 1: five minutes. I do not understand because the multiverse the
Speaker 1: way it's presented in Hollywood, where it's like spighting doors,
Speaker 1: where it's human decisions that cause reality is to split,
Speaker 1: that is not that's not the theory. That would be
Speaker 1: extremely weird if the entire universe, all the particles in
Speaker 1: universe pivoted on humans, human decision making, and this one
Speaker 1: animal on this one planet, that would be very strange.
Speaker 1: It is a very complicated thing where every particle in
Speaker 1: the universe, I guess, And do you start getting into
Speaker 1: way functions. I guess you have to know about a
Speaker 1: way function is for this to make sense, and that
Speaker 1: it collapses in like infinite ways. So there's like every
Speaker 1: time a particle enters into a quantum state, it splits
Speaker 1: the universe again. So there's when you say there's infinite universes,
Speaker 1: it's literally trillions upon trillions upon trillions of universes, and
Speaker 1: that there's no way to like travel from from one
Speaker 1: to the next. So the theory in my mind exists
Speaker 1: just as nonsense, kind of like trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how time travel would work, which is the answer is
Speaker 1: that it wouldn't. But as a plot device it's fantastic
Speaker 1: for the same reason, for the same reason that that
Speaker 1: time travel is because it is usually and the film
Speaker 1: that everything everywhere all at once. What that film did
Speaker 1: so well, that's what multiverse movies are about, which was
Speaker 1: there about regret. It's about wondering, like what kind of
Speaker 1: life you could have lived? And same thing, but most
Speaker 1: time travel plots, that's what it is. You're going back
Speaker 1: and trying to change something and then and the course
Speaker 1: of it, you learn something about yourself. And this is
Speaker 1: why usually when in the movie they start explaining the
Speaker 1: science of the time travel or the science of the
Speaker 1: multi verse, to usually skip over it because that's not
Speaker 1: the point. There's these are stories about people, and it
Speaker 1: works as a plot device. Kids, It's about, well, what
Speaker 1: would have happened if it turned out that the Spider
Speaker 1: Men from the different franchises all existed actually in parallel universes,
Speaker 1: and they all had slightly different methods, and then they
Speaker 1: all met each other. You get a movie that I
Speaker 1: could barely follow when I did not find very interesting
Speaker 1: all but I'm glad other people enjoy your But you're
Speaker 1: talking about the not not the animated Spider verse, when
Speaker 1: you're talking about the latest no, the one with with all.
Speaker 1: But why can I not remember the names of any
Speaker 1: of the spider Tom Holland, Holland to Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: tofur great right from Yeah, real name? Don't make up
Speaker 1: to to for. It's not imagine that after being named
Speaker 1: tofur can Hey, he took the other part of Christopher Man.
Speaker 1: That's like he's just like when you zig that that
Speaker 1: guy's eggs and that's what's cool about him. There's some
Speaker 1: ethnic background to that name that we're actually saying something
Speaker 1: incredibly insensitive. We apologize. We if tofor is actually if
Speaker 1: it actually has important meaning and some and some ethnicity.
Speaker 1: We've meant no harm by that. But anyway, back to
Speaker 1: what I was saying, No, I love it as a
Speaker 1: plot device in terms of you know, is it real?
Speaker 1: It is my understanding according to what I just read
Speaker 1: on Wikipedia thirty minutes ago that the many world's interpretation
Speaker 1: is believed by a majority of physicists actually did a
Speaker 1: pole and something like like, because I guess the alternate
Speaker 1: explanation of why particles behave. The way they do is
Speaker 1: even weirder than the many world's interpretation, where it's like, no,
Speaker 1: it all exists simultaneously, and that's why when you try
Speaker 1: to observe them, there's a curious thing where it like
Speaker 1: collapses into a way form of your reality, but it
Speaker 1: could just as easily have been another state. It's every
Speaker 1: attempt to explain it, people will say, look, we're gonna
Speaker 1: make it very very simple. We're gonna explain it like
Speaker 1: your five. I apparently need it explain like I'm three, right,
Speaker 1: because I just it totally loses me. It's the same
Speaker 1: thing when a physicist on YouTube or someone is trying
Speaker 1: to explain how the universe is always expanding, and then
Speaker 1: you ask the obvious question, well what is it expanding into, right,
Speaker 1: and and they're like, well, well nothing. It's like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: I can really smoke bob down and exit the room,
Speaker 1: but like ineffectively, Like when a physicist tries to use
Speaker 1: a smoke bombed to exit the room, it takes like
Speaker 1: three smoke bombs. So it's the thing where I guess
Speaker 1: you you're if you try to use what you know
Speaker 1: about the world to understand it, you're immediately lost because
Speaker 1: it just doesn't line up with anything you understand about
Speaker 1: how physics works. Are anything, right, Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: like the when you get down to a quantum level,
Speaker 1: like particles start doing two different things at the same time.
Speaker 1: That that that was it for me. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, so I don't know my my brain when
Speaker 1: I was on too many drugs as a teenager, my
Speaker 1: brain actually was right about everything, it turns out, and
Speaker 1: that I would need to get back on that many
Speaker 1: drugs to uh to understand or even like conceive of this,
Speaker 1: and that's that's not good for me. So I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do that. I'll leave it to the physicists
Speaker 1: and to Jason Pargeons to write about it. Smart people
Speaker 1: do understand that, like the times you see like no
Speaker 1: Grass the Grass Tyson, like his whole Twitter is just
Speaker 1: like complaining that movies like that they're that their science
Speaker 1: is wrong or whatever. He's like, you do understand that
Speaker 1: whenever you have a plot device like this, it's always
Speaker 1: just an excuse to tell a human story, and that
Speaker 1: no writer actually cares about the science stuff, and even
Speaker 1: the even stories that seem like they're very based in research,
Speaker 1: like The Martian. There's probably a million reasons why that
Speaker 1: story cannot actually have happened the way it is to
Speaker 1: pick that. It's just, you know, it's ultimately is about
Speaker 1: you know, loneliness and isolation and having to overcome it
Speaker 1: and hope and and all that stuff. But people care
Speaker 1: about its stories. People like stories because they are about people,
Speaker 1: not because they are about physics. Right. I remember people
Speaker 1: were like, actually, that's not how you'd get water on Mars.
Speaker 1: I felt was like the one science take when The
Speaker 1: Martian came out. It's like, that would actually that's not
Speaker 1: how you would actually do it on Mars. But go off,
Speaker 1: Matt Damon, Go off. Then I only trust Matt Damon
Speaker 1: when it comes to Crypto. Don't nowhere else just Fortu,
Speaker 1: the broke, yeah, or the just very very briefly, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go off on this. Listeners, if you
Speaker 1: hear about an investment opportunity and a commercial at the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, you're you're not getting in on the ground floor.
Speaker 1: The people, the people who are currently holding the bag
Speaker 1: are trying to get rid of it, and they're trying
Speaker 1: to lure in Rubes to buy the asset that they
Speaker 1: know is about to go bad. See if it was
Speaker 1: like a gold like gold mine already, they wouldn't tell
Speaker 1: you about it. They would just collect the gold for themselves.
Speaker 1: The moment they pay millions of dollars to try to
Speaker 1: get you into crypto, they were trying to get you
Speaker 1: to hold the bag and then in the price immediately
Speaker 1: collapsed after that that that was on purpose. When the
Speaker 1: thing they're selling is nothing, Be a little wary of that,
Speaker 1: because that's yeah, it doesn't the whole I feel like
Speaker 1: at this point, so much of the market has broken
Speaker 1: down into Ponzi scheme, like it's just all yeah, so
Speaker 1: so be wary. Jason Pargeon has always so fun having
Speaker 1: you on the dailies like Geist, Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Follow you all that good stuff? Apparently TikTok im by us.
Speaker 1: Their name there is Jason K. Parge and P A R. G.
Speaker 1: I n uh. The name of the book that I'm
Speaker 1: promoting all week because this is the first crucial week
Speaker 1: for the new book is I got a copy of
Speaker 1: it behind me. If this book exists, you're in the
Speaker 1: wrong universe. But if you have seen the John Dyes
Speaker 1: at the end movie, that's the most likely thing or
Speaker 1: if you know me from the Crack Days and have
Speaker 1: read the books, it's one of those they're not serialized,
Speaker 1: you can just read this one. If not, if you've
Speaker 1: not read any of the other major if you've only
Speaker 1: seen the movie, you can start with this one. It
Speaker 1: would make much more sense for you to just get
Speaker 1: one of the older books from a used bookstore flight
Speaker 1: ninety nine cents rather than paying thirty bucks for this one.
Speaker 1: But please do pay the thirty bucks for this one,
Speaker 1: and it will explain the multiverse and the true nature
Speaker 1: of the universe. So you know, how can you resist?
Speaker 1: Literally better than going to college, I would drop out
Speaker 1: of a college and put your money into this buying
Speaker 1: this novel. Some homies that would love they're like, wait,
Speaker 1: what tell me more? And is there a tweet or
Speaker 1: some of the work of social media you've been enjoying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a tweet. It's it's a video. So maybe this
Speaker 1: doesn't convey as well here in the show. But as
Speaker 1: from Zac, I think sweezon. But there was a clip
Speaker 1: where I guess during when they were promoting the film
Speaker 1: Nope from Jordan Peel. They did a thing where he
Speaker 1: went into they did a cross promotion with the Metaverse,
Speaker 1: and they did a recreation of the film inside the metaverse,
Speaker 1: and then he with the gear on, had to pretend
Speaker 1: to be incredibly impressed with it. And it is just
Speaker 1: the worst jan kiest animation. It looks like absolute ship
Speaker 1: and he's having to be like wow, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: It's it's like this is this is like we're living
Speaker 1: in my movie. Like I'm like, well, we used to
Speaker 1: be just chatting on the porch here. That's one of
Speaker 1: the acts for the fans see Heywood ran and to
Speaker 1: see this world and to experience it like I intended
Speaker 1: them to experience. It's completely immersed. Yeah, Palmer, she got
Speaker 1: no legs on that motorcycle. The characters do not have legs.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the update, right they got legs now, No,
Speaker 1: that turned out that did not that fell through. That
Speaker 1: was right. They're still not capable of doing legs in
Speaker 1: the metaverse. So it is tragic. The thing that was
Speaker 1: great about Nope is how like intricately imagined it was,
Speaker 1: how many like just cool things there were to see
Speaker 1: everywhere on the screen. And he's here having to sell
Speaker 1: like something that's just like a house that is in
Speaker 1: their general shape of of the house from Nope in
Speaker 1: a void with like one one tree, like not even
Speaker 1: they didn't go out of their way to do a
Speaker 1: good job. Like if if a he's like Nintendo Entertainment
Speaker 1: System game tried to recreate the world of Nope, they
Speaker 1: would have added more trees and details than it's. It
Speaker 1: feels like they've done here. It's just like a beige void.
Speaker 1: And Jordan Peel I need to remind myself is he
Speaker 1: might be my favorite comedic actor, Like before he was
Speaker 1: making movies like watching Key and Peel, I was like
Speaker 1: that like some of the like subtlety of what he does,
Speaker 1: and like he is the greatest actor. And even this
Speaker 1: challenge was it was too much. You can't say like yeah, man, wow,
Speaker 1: oh so this is definitely how I envisioned the world.
Speaker 1: Fact that I said that was just flat, two dimensional world.
Speaker 1: I could add another hour to this podcast with my
Speaker 1: I Okay, look, listeners, I understand that a lot of
Speaker 1: people work at Meta. I understand that they need those jobs.
Speaker 1: I'm not ruling for them to lose their jobs. I've
Speaker 1: been through that. I know what a layoff is like
Speaker 1: because of Facebook. But it is for the fact that
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg thinks that because he got in on the ground,
Speaker 1: he was the second one in the market after MySpace
Speaker 1: with the whole you know, social media thing. It is
Speaker 1: slightly more usable and they a an all time epic
Speaker 1: fortune off that he now thinks that he has a
Speaker 1: second good idea that he doesn't. He does not. There
Speaker 1: is no one wants this, No one will ever want this.
Speaker 1: It doesn't improve anything. It is what we thought the
Speaker 1: future would look like, back when we were too dumb
Speaker 1: to know what the future looked like like in three
Speaker 1: you know, tron or whatever. This is why it's It's
Speaker 1: such an antiquated, ridiculous idea. The thought that the kids
Speaker 1: coming up now on TikTok and Snapchat and all that
Speaker 1: that this is what they want. Is this this terribly
Speaker 1: rendered thing that their grandparents are using and with a
Speaker 1: big stupid, sweaty helmet on their head. It's so stupid
Speaker 1: And I I'm not rooting for to fail. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I am rooting for to fail. How can I say this?
Speaker 1: I hope that after a spectacularly fails, that everyone lands
Speaker 1: on their feet except for Mark Zuckerburn. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: just I do love the confidence with which he's just
Speaker 1: sticking with this. He's seating it in the mainstream media.
Speaker 1: He's getting like nope, and but you know, like movies
Speaker 1: and out billions and billions on this. But he because
Speaker 1: he has the confidence of that first decision, and he
Speaker 1: doesn't realize that every moment since he became a billionaire
Speaker 1: has taken him further and further away from having an
Speaker 1: instinct for what people, what real normal people are like.
Speaker 1: And so he's, yeah, it's it's fun, it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's a it's like one of the celebrity lose it
Speaker 1: and you know, is starting to like create things that
Speaker 1: are like wait, what like you have to kind of
Speaker 1: school and at it. That that's what meta feels like
Speaker 1: to me. He's just he's he's on his own planet,
Speaker 1: as all billionaires are. Just let it go, Mark, let
Speaker 1: it go, sir. Yeah, then nope. Simulation looked pretty cool. Miles,
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What the tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: Follow me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. Uh,
Speaker 1: catch Jack and I lamenting or celebrating the ongoing NBA
Speaker 1: season on our basketball podcast. Miles and Jacob Matt boost
Speaker 1: these Also. I feel like ninety day checked me out
Speaker 1: on four twenty Day Fiance. That's another podcast. Some tweets
Speaker 1: are like, First, one is from New York Times pitchpot.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard about this Arizona Republican
Speaker 1: who was like running for the community college board seat,
Speaker 1: who was like running on a save our children campaign,
Speaker 1: and the police arrested him for masturbating by a school
Speaker 1: and he just said, I'm sorry, I I fucked up.
Speaker 1: I'm under stress. And then like the Secretary of State,
Speaker 1: it's like, we can't get this guy off the ballot.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of difficult. This is from New York
Speaker 1: Times pitch spot at Doug Jay Balloon, just for reference.
Speaker 1: Whether it's Democrats using closed captions during interviews or Republicans
Speaker 1: masturbating in preschool parking lots, both sides have struggled with
Speaker 1: some troubling optics. Yep, yep, yep. Fair New York Times. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then at gnome to Barbarian tweeted quote tweeted first
Speaker 1: a tweet from simply Shingy that said Homer Simpson was
Speaker 1: a true baller because how did he afford three children
Speaker 1: to attach suburban house, two cars to stay at home?
Speaker 1: Wife an extra change for his drinking problem with absolutely
Speaker 1: no side hustles and nome to Barbarian tweeted he had
Speaker 1: a union job and a house bought in the eighties
Speaker 1: with money given to him by his father, who was
Speaker 1: himself a veteran who was able to receive g I
Speaker 1: Bill benefits. And he was supposed to represent the decline
Speaker 1: of living standards in the eighties. His was supposed to
Speaker 1: be a low class life. Yeah, it's food for thought. Definitely.
Speaker 1: A couple of tweets I've been enjoying. Taylor at Billy
Speaker 1: Idol tweeted one thing about me, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: read the room. I will, however, fill it with my presence.
Speaker 1: Your mom died, Mine didn't. I went to the beach yesterday.
Speaker 1: And then Puzzle tweeted, Oh, America isn't exceptional. We put
Speaker 1: the first ever school teacher in a space shuttle and
Speaker 1: then blew her up over the ocean. Did your country
Speaker 1: do that? Which? That's dark, but yeah, exceptional facts. Also
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Speaker 1: a Sheriff's Department gang just dropped its first two episodes
Speaker 1: yesterday just great eye opening, incredible work from Serese and team.
Speaker 1: We're really proud of it. You can find us on
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Speaker 1: We have a Facebook fan page and a website, Daily
Speaker 1: zeitgeist dot com where we post our episodes and our
Speaker 1: footnotes where we link off to the information that we
Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode, as well as a song
Speaker 1: that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what song do
Speaker 1: we think people might enjoy? This is a group called
Speaker 1: Charlotte Arry and Bolus Pupil b U p U l
Speaker 1: Uh and they are like electronic duo from Ghent, Belgium,
Speaker 1: and like their lyrics like talk about like post colonialism
Speaker 1: and all kind of really interesting lyrics for how like
Speaker 1: kind of dancy and just sort of light feeling. The
Speaker 1: music is. This track is called making Sense Stop and
Speaker 1: it's just like a fun track. Their music is really
Speaker 1: cool because it's like the lyrics actually have a little
Speaker 1: bit of substance to them and they're you know, it's
Speaker 1: just kind of easy listens but fun too. So this
Speaker 1: is Charlotte a Disonarie and and Ballss Pupil with making
Speaker 1: sense stop. It's like if radio gets the machine had
Speaker 1: like fun dancey pop music and said yeah exactly, but
Speaker 1: and you're like, wait, hold on what they just say?
Speaker 1: Rolling down Rodeo with a shotgun? All right? The Deli
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