Speaker 1: And it was like, how could I be so misunderstood
Speaker 1: in this situation? And so what happens is you read
Speaker 1: the point of like if this is how people react
Speaker 1: to me moving at my most authentic and genuine, then like,
Speaker 1: how the could I continue to move in this space?
Speaker 1: I have to go? And that is the creative activists
Speaker 1: that I like to call Amanda Seals. She's joining us
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Speaker 1: whole story specific life ought to rendivous to shape the
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Speaker 1: champion and you didn't. It's the greatest of sports. And
Speaker 1: then the same a connaked with Harry Champion, they carry
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Speaker 1: Champion Sports and then the same aken Naked War. So
Speaker 1: in preparation for this interview, as I have shared with
Speaker 1: you all before, it is hard for me to sometimes
Speaker 1: interview my friends or people that I'm friendly with that
Speaker 1: I get to see out and about in regular life.
Speaker 1: And so in preparation for this interview with comedian, actress,
Speaker 1: talent extraordinaire, writer, director, all the things right, this is
Speaker 1: the creative and also I call her an activist, and
Speaker 1: there's all types of activism, but I do believe she
Speaker 1: is active. I simply went to her i G page
Speaker 1: like I knew what I could read about her, and
Speaker 1: I've participated in some of her productions and I've seen
Speaker 1: her at different productions that we've worked together. The last
Speaker 1: time I saw her was at the Juneteenth special we
Speaker 1: did for CNN, and I remember talking to her thinking,
Speaker 1: I just enjoy her. Now. What I enjoy about Amanda
Speaker 1: is that she shows up authentically herself. She doesn't know
Speaker 1: how to be anyone but herself. That I can understand,
Speaker 1: that I can relate to, that I know can cause problems,
Speaker 1: that I know puts people on defense, and I also
Speaker 1: know it could in many cases, stall your movement in
Speaker 1: your career. It could many in many cases stall the
Speaker 1: progress of your personal life, you know as in your
Speaker 1: professional life too. And I understand how you can be
Speaker 1: received and misunderstood. And I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: what Amanda possesses at times can be a misunderstanding. People
Speaker 1: misunderstanding who she is because of her passion, because of
Speaker 1: how she approaches the world, or how she has approached
Speaker 1: the world in the past. Um and that is where
Speaker 1: she I find myself in naked curiosity with her, meaning,
Speaker 1: I see you fully be as I see myself misunderstood
Speaker 1: in so many ways. And it reminded me in this interview,
Speaker 1: she said, you know, she talked about tweeting something and
Speaker 1: and it was so innocuous. She couldn't believe that she
Speaker 1: was trending and people were judging her because it was
Speaker 1: no big deal to her in her mind. And a
Speaker 1: lot of that could be just the perception of people,
Speaker 1: of what people have of her. They feel like she
Speaker 1: might be starting trouble, so they want to take offense
Speaker 1: to everything she says. But she said, I can't believe
Speaker 1: I'm so misunderstood, And it reminded me of what another
Speaker 1: famous black woman said to me, and that was Serena Williams.
Speaker 1: She said, she can't understand why she's been so misunderstood
Speaker 1: all these years now retired from tennis. I don't know
Speaker 1: for how long my thoughts, I'll just interject that I
Speaker 1: don't know for how long, but I remember her saying
Speaker 1: she felt very misunderstood in this world that had given
Speaker 1: her so many resources and so much life and treated
Speaker 1: her to this new life that she now has, this
Speaker 1: enterprise that she is building um And it's such a
Speaker 1: dichotomy to love something would be so misunderstood by that
Speaker 1: same thing that brought you so much happiness, it can
Speaker 1: also bring you pain. Wow, that was powerful. What brings
Speaker 1: you a lot of happiness can bring you pain as well?
Speaker 1: That was powerful, didn't you think anyway? With that being said,
Speaker 1: I really enjoy having her on the podcast and the
Speaker 1: word that I think of when I see her from
Speaker 1: when she first came on the scene, you know, for
Speaker 1: many people to her work through Insecure, through whatever issues
Speaker 1: she's had publicly, whatever trending that may have happened, whatever
Speaker 1: thoughts you have of her, I really have watched her evolve,
Speaker 1: and that will be my word, evolve. I think oftentimes
Speaker 1: we don't allow people to grow and be different and
Speaker 1: be better and evolve. Dare I say, I do believe
Speaker 1: there will be a time when we look back at
Speaker 1: Kanye and he'll say, he'll do his apology tour and
Speaker 1: we'll watch him evolve from whatever he's going through right now.
Speaker 1: Like I do believe that, um, and I hold grace
Speaker 1: in space for that for people. Uh. Not to get
Speaker 1: to spiritual on you all, but I just do, and
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like we don't do that in the
Speaker 1: world that we live in. I hope that the same
Speaker 1: grace in space that I hope for Amanda or Serena
Speaker 1: or even for Kanye for that matter, people will give
Speaker 1: me the same. On the podcast, we do talk about Kanye.
Speaker 1: We drag him, yes, because he needs to be drug
Speaker 1: uh if that's correct English. Uh, he needs to be
Speaker 1: drugged or maybe he is on drugs stop by digress,
Speaker 1: but he does he does need a talking to, a
Speaker 1: stern talking to uh. And Amanda had some great thoughts
Speaker 1: on that. But we also just talk about how we
Speaker 1: show up in the world and what it means to
Speaker 1: be us. It's a really insightful, insightful podcast and she's
Speaker 1: such a great mind. So whenever you can get minutes
Speaker 1: with people with great minds, ask all you can, but
Speaker 1: most importantly, listen to how they see the world. Her
Speaker 1: perception of the world, how she views things, is so
Speaker 1: different than what I would think about. It's just another
Speaker 1: layer and another level. It doesn't mean she's right, but
Speaker 1: it's just another layer and another level in which you
Speaker 1: can digest information and see the world. And you can't
Speaker 1: be wrong with that. Did you guys? Hear my boll crack?
Speaker 1: I'm getting out. My elbow just cracked. Sit back, relax,
Speaker 1: you're gonna laugh to My cheeks were hurting. I was
Speaker 1: crying at one point because she said there's a place.
Speaker 1: She says, she thinks there's a place. When like people
Speaker 1: are single like me, They're like, how come you ain't
Speaker 1: got no man? And she's like, well, you act like
Speaker 1: there's a place called good Man Island. She didn't say man,
Speaker 1: but good Man Island. And we just we get dropped
Speaker 1: off a good Man Island. Be like, no, he too tall,
Speaker 1: he too rich, too fine. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: with none of them. You know, there's no such place
Speaker 1: where does it exist? Find it for me? Thank you,
Speaker 1: Amanda Seals for being unnaked, and they Chi and the Chepi.
Speaker 1: I want to get to everything that I have. I
Speaker 1: was up early studying you. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: even paid attention. It could have been a series of
Speaker 1: likes on your i G page that was me just
Speaker 1: just like a man. Yes, a man, that's right. And
Speaker 1: what I realized is I said, in addition to Amanda Verse,
Speaker 1: if I was someone who needed to catch up on
Speaker 1: what is going going on in the world, and I
Speaker 1: have been off of social media heavy in the last
Speaker 1: couple of days, I could just go to your page
Speaker 1: I or Amanda Verse and you're talking about everything and
Speaker 1: all things, which to me is exhausting but also fascinating
Speaker 1: because you're so goddamn intelligent and you just always have
Speaker 1: these quick moments where you're like and oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: and I'm not just saying that, it's just true, it
Speaker 1: just is what it is. Thanks Carrie Champs. How do
Speaker 1: you how do you have the capacity? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know how. It doesn't come
Speaker 1: from you, it doesn't come from you. It's just in you.
Speaker 1: It must be, you know. The Christians would say, Jesus um,
Speaker 1: the spiritual ones would say, the ancestors, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the raven claws would say, Dumbledore. I think it's I'm
Speaker 1: drawing from everywhere, honestly, Honestly, I marvel at the capacity
Speaker 1: because sometimes they're just like, how do you have something
Speaker 1: else to say? Like, how do you have something else
Speaker 1: to say? It really a stream of consciousness, And I
Speaker 1: think that's part of what the capacity is is that
Speaker 1: I really am not having to think my thoughts within
Speaker 1: a chamber of like is this gonna upset? A network
Speaker 1: is just gonna upset, Like I'm not having to do
Speaker 1: the strategicy around my thinking. And I think that that
Speaker 1: when they talk about a free thinker, to me, a
Speaker 1: freethinker is not somebody that is um saying things without
Speaker 1: actual intellect or you know, you know, without actual backing
Speaker 1: or support. A free thinker is somebody who is able
Speaker 1: to um utilize all the information that they know combined
Speaker 1: with their experience, and consider new things. That to me
Speaker 1: is a freethinker consider new concepts, consider new ideas without
Speaker 1: the limitations of oh well, no one else said this before,
Speaker 1: so it can't exist. So I tried to think in
Speaker 1: that way, like what can I add to the conversation
Speaker 1: that's not just you know, some wild ship, which I
Speaker 1: think is how a lot of people think. It's like,
Speaker 1: how can I just add some shocking or wild ship
Speaker 1: when they start talking about free, free thinkers. As you
Speaker 1: just so eloquently put, you just have a stream of consciousness.
Speaker 1: You do have um a very unique perspective, but it
Speaker 1: does seem very effortless, like Okay, I am sitting in
Speaker 1: the house and there's something else I want to tell you. Oh,
Speaker 1: and I'm back. I forgot to tell you this before
Speaker 1: I take a nap, And then okay, now I thought
Speaker 1: about this. I'm watching this in real time and thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: this makes a lot of sense. And the way I
Speaker 1: read it was, I see you hosting the Daily Show.
Speaker 1: It was a version of your Daily Show, Like if
Speaker 1: that was what you wanted to do, that was the
Speaker 1: news and the notes that I needed. That made sense
Speaker 1: to me. That really made me think about what's going
Speaker 1: on in the world in a larger perspective, in a
Speaker 1: different perspective. When you talk about Kanye and what he's
Speaker 1: saying and the responsibility of artists, black artists in particular,
Speaker 1: I never really I didn't connect the two. But you're
Speaker 1: so historically speaking, Please share with my listener because it
Speaker 1: was genius. Oh thank you. Um, I mean what I
Speaker 1: was saying about, you know, the importance of black artists
Speaker 1: is that I think a lot of us failed to
Speaker 1: recognize the unique position that black artists have, particularly in America,
Speaker 1: compared to the role that artists play that are a
Speaker 1: part of other cultures, ethnic groups, and races. So we'll
Speaker 1: see comments made like, oh, why are black celebrities given
Speaker 1: so much quote unquote power, Why are they expected to
Speaker 1: be leaders? Why are we even paying so much attention
Speaker 1: to someone like Kanye West? And I conceptualize it as
Speaker 1: black people in America we have a very very unique
Speaker 1: existence unlike black people in other places, in that we
Speaker 1: were stolen from the place that we were familiarized with,
Speaker 1: the place where we shared a past, the present, and
Speaker 1: the future with. We were stolen from those people and
Speaker 1: brought to a new land where we had to then
Speaker 1: create a whole new identity for ourselves without even being
Speaker 1: allowed to connect with the other people that we were
Speaker 1: having a shared experience with. Because of divide and conquer,
Speaker 1: because of white supremacy, because of slavery. You et cetera. Right,
Speaker 1: the brainwashing that went along with that to undermine our
Speaker 1: connectivity and identity. So our existence as Black Americans has
Speaker 1: become realized and actualized and and um made visible in
Speaker 1: so many ways by the existence of artists telling our story.
Speaker 1: So when we talk about the importance of slave narratives,
Speaker 1: and we talk about the importance of the Blues as
Speaker 1: a as a form of music that came out of
Speaker 1: reconstruction and black people coming out of slavery but realizing
Speaker 1: that they still don't know where they can go to
Speaker 1: actually be free. Right in the midst of um, in
Speaker 1: the midst of chain gangs, in the midst of the
Speaker 1: Jim parlas were about to come out of that, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So we look at black artists, and I think for
Speaker 1: some of us we look at them in a vacuum
Speaker 1: just based on our own current existence. But the the
Speaker 1: experience of black people in America has for many of
Speaker 1: us been actualized and legitimized too, especially other people, by
Speaker 1: the work and the voices of artists of black artists.
Speaker 1: And so that's why I think, like when we talk
Speaker 1: about black popular culture, like for instance, we're doing smart
Speaker 1: phonny and black in Brooklyn on October twenty nine the
Speaker 1: King's Theater. It's a Halloween spectacular, So I'm asking folks
Speaker 1: to come dress as their favorite black characters are icons.
Speaker 1: And some people might say like, well, why are you
Speaker 1: putting the two together. Well, for black folks, black characters
Speaker 1: exists in the same framework as actual living black icons.
Speaker 1: You cannot tell me that Claire Huxtable is not real
Speaker 1: for us, represented for us in a way that we
Speaker 1: were not allowed to represent for ourselves in reality. So true,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so true, so powerful, so true. In
Speaker 1: my mind, that was the conversation of of why people
Speaker 1: are are you like, what is the deal with Kanye? Well,
Speaker 1: this is why people are saying that this is just
Speaker 1: ignore him, you know, just it's like, no, He's it's impossible.
Speaker 1: You're doing damage even though you think you you you're not.
Speaker 1: And then you had to explain what I thought was
Speaker 1: great most deep sure you're like okay, so guys, you're
Speaker 1: just like so I just say, okay, I'm back, I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta take care of y'all. And the fact
Speaker 1: that people I literally say Mostef's name and his I
Speaker 1: say his previous name, most def and his current name
Speaker 1: is seen Bay, I say it. It's also in the
Speaker 1: picture in the video, and people are still in the
Speaker 1: comments like, well, this isn't the shirt Kanye was wearing though,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know what, I can't do it all.
Speaker 1: We're not yeah we should like look, I can lead
Speaker 1: you here to the water if you'd like to drink, drink,
Speaker 1: but I can't literally put the cup to your mouth.
Speaker 1: I saw someone called the failure to see that. I
Speaker 1: saw someone call you know, people were like, how y'all
Speaker 1: cannot comprehend this? And I saw someone called that able
Speaker 1: is um and I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta say, nap. Why are you guys making
Speaker 1: fun of other people for their lack of comprehension? Is
Speaker 1: that where we've come as at people? Yes? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: because I'm tired of yes. I think it's interesting because
Speaker 1: when I see you, I see me. I see a
Speaker 1: lot of black women I know who have a platform
Speaker 1: that um boldly speak uh what they feel and and
Speaker 1: step into their power, knowing that society says that we
Speaker 1: should not. And you gave an interview on Headspace. There
Speaker 1: were several things that you said that I thought were
Speaker 1: there My God, Garry, you was really researching. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know her too. She like you acting like you don't know.
Speaker 1: I do. But I needed to do my homework because
Speaker 1: I was this morning in such a clear space that
Speaker 1: I just wanted to just make sure I'm familiar. And
Speaker 1: I caught up and I couldn't get all. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's legit. I'm not even just being a fan. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, and then and then and
Speaker 1: then it was about your tone, about how you talk
Speaker 1: to people, about how people receive what you say, and
Speaker 1: you you know, it's I think the shirt was I'm
Speaker 1: not angry. Oh this was the style like you interview
Speaker 1: where I had to like stripped down with every question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hadn't know my shirt was. I'm not hostile. I'm
Speaker 1: just passionate. I'm just passionate. I mean, what why is it?
Speaker 1: Why is there this misconception? I think there's a couple
Speaker 1: of elements there, right, Like I have a deep voice,
Speaker 1: so there's that, But then there's also like, I'm very direct,
Speaker 1: I I have what's called like I think they call
Speaker 1: it like a real a non regional act scent. So
Speaker 1: there's also a certain like authoritarianism associated with whiteness that's
Speaker 1: in the way I talk um. And I think also
Speaker 1: like I have a tendency to come off condescending when
Speaker 1: I'm sometimes I am being condescending, but sometimes just keeping
Speaker 1: in the boat. But sometimes because sometimes I'm just like,
Speaker 1: are y'all looking kidding me? Um? But sometimes I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm just like like my you know, they'll be like
Speaker 1: my toxic trade. Like my toxic trade is that like,
Speaker 1: if I know this is not correct information, I feel
Speaker 1: the need to speak the correct information. Like that comes again,
Speaker 1: that comes off is like you're a know it all,
Speaker 1: or you're pushy, or you know, you're trying to school everybody.
Speaker 1: So I get that. I think the other part of it, too,
Speaker 1: is the the passion part is that when I speak
Speaker 1: about things that matter to me, which I just happened
Speaker 1: to have a lot of things that matter to me,
Speaker 1: there's a conviction behind it that can come off as force,
Speaker 1: and it can come off as brusque, and it really
Speaker 1: is just me trying to like emphatically get you to understand,
Speaker 1: and that gets misinterpreted. And I think that's the way
Speaker 1: that a lot of black women deliver our messages, right.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Black women, for what it's worth,
Speaker 1: are are very used to not being heard, and so
Speaker 1: we have to elevate our voices. We have to be
Speaker 1: curt and articulate and really you know, direct, um, so
Speaker 1: that we are not misconstrued and that oftentimes ends up
Speaker 1: being misinterpreted as something else. Yeah, and I think the people,
Speaker 1: yeah angry mean means a big one. Yeah, it's annoying,
Speaker 1: but you're like, but they don't realize how we show
Speaker 1: up in the world and how the world sees us
Speaker 1: and how we see it. That has also just how
Speaker 1: we talk. Yes, I mean I also just have like
Speaker 1: no tolerance for stupidity, and we live in a world
Speaker 1: of shapidity. So like I am, yeah, well, are you
Speaker 1: gonna be frustrating every time someone time You're like again,
Speaker 1: I can't have this conversation. I don't know what this is,
Speaker 1: you know, and I and listen And that's something so
Speaker 1: that that is my problem. Like I am impatient in
Speaker 1: a way that um, you know, can can can get
Speaker 1: in the way of kindness. And so that's something I'm
Speaker 1: constantly working on and having to check myself on. UM.
Speaker 1: But I remember, like I did this interview for this
Speaker 1: comedy site and everybody in the comments was like, she
Speaker 1: is so masculine, and she is so mean, and she
Speaker 1: sounds like a man, and she is so negative. And
Speaker 1: I mean, I was just talking like I'm talking. I
Speaker 1: was just like the sky is blue today. I was
Speaker 1: literally just talking, and I was like, let me do
Speaker 1: a little case study. And then I looked at the
Speaker 1: interview that you're referring to the style like you interview
Speaker 1: that sponsored by Headspace, and I'm talking in the same tonality,
Speaker 1: but the response was so different and that space is
Speaker 1: far more woman centric. Yes, and you know, you just
Speaker 1: realize like, yeah, huh, well, because it registered for me,
Speaker 1: And I thought to myself, it's interesting that she said
Speaker 1: she's aware of her tone. I wonder because I have
Speaker 1: this issue um being in the world as we all are.
Speaker 1: I know that I can be a force, and when
Speaker 1: I'm pushed to my limit, I can be very clear
Speaker 1: and direct, and it's always why did you do that?
Speaker 1: But I'm like, I gave you. I gave you ten chances,
Speaker 1: and this is the eleventh time I gave you ten chances.
Speaker 1: So how do do you feel bad when people come
Speaker 1: down on you for the way? I sit with this
Speaker 1: guilt and I'm always why but why use wrong? So
Speaker 1: how why? Why? What is that about? And how do
Speaker 1: you how do you process that? Because we're not sociopaths,
Speaker 1: we don't want to hurt feelings. That's why we don't
Speaker 1: want to hurt people's feelings. In fact, we do, like
Speaker 1: it's not intentional, like you're not you're not intentionally trying
Speaker 1: to hurt somebody, But there's also this other part of
Speaker 1: you that like, this is how you get your point across,
Speaker 1: and so it it's sometimes I think the guilt feels
Speaker 1: like did I missfire? You know, and then you have
Speaker 1: to like walk yourself back and sometimes you did misfire, right,
Speaker 1: But sometimes it's like no, okay, But we always pulse check,
Speaker 1: and I wonder why that will stop? UM, if at all,
Speaker 1: I don't think it will stop. I think also, you know,
Speaker 1: we're in a world, you and I particularly where we're
Speaker 1: dealing with so many people, and I think that's different.
Speaker 1: I think it's like just the ratio of interactions that
Speaker 1: we have compared to other folks. UM does bear a
Speaker 1: different level of responsibility that you put yourself under because
Speaker 1: most people, for what it's worth, are dealing with folks
Speaker 1: in like the same folks around them, so it's probably
Speaker 1: like the same coworkers, and then like the same people
Speaker 1: in their family space. And then if they are interacting
Speaker 1: like let's say they work in retail or they work
Speaker 1: in a restaurant, right, they are interacting with a lot
Speaker 1: of people, but like in a cursory way, right, Like
Speaker 1: they can take an order and feed people, and they
Speaker 1: don't feel connected to that. We're in a business where we,
Speaker 1: for the most part, have to legitimize every person we're
Speaker 1: dealing with, whether it's whether it's on a business level
Speaker 1: or a fan level. Yeah, everyone matters. Yeah, yes, And
Speaker 1: you're taken so much, and you're taken so much, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you feel like this, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't feel like talking today, I don't want to talk today,
Speaker 1: or I don't want to be around people today. Like
Speaker 1: some days you just gotta turn off and rebuild, you,
Speaker 1: don't you. I know you have that. I'm a cancer.
Speaker 1: So I have that in the middle of a scenario,
Speaker 1: like I'll be at a party and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm done. And then like the people who have awareness
Speaker 1: of like who a man is in her phone because
Speaker 1: I checked out. I checked out and I may I
Speaker 1: may have a revitalization, like I may resurrect like Jesus
Speaker 1: on the third day. I might, you know, but I
Speaker 1: might not. And then it's gonna be in Irish exit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I and I don't And I don't care, because
Speaker 1: you're entitled to have that. I I want you to
Speaker 1: I want you to know we see you. And and
Speaker 1: even though I know you, you always check your moral compass.
Speaker 1: I do believe your voice is special and it is needed.
Speaker 1: So even in those times where it may feel like
Speaker 1: it's a lot, it's it's right. It's right, it's justified
Speaker 1: in you're moving. I also like, like I grew up
Speaker 1: in the house of of like volume. My mom is
Speaker 1: a loud talker, okay, uh, so I am also a
Speaker 1: loud talker. Then I was a gymnast, so I was
Speaker 1: yelled at all day. Then hart life, listen, that's a
Speaker 1: harsh one. No. Then I went to theater, and that
Speaker 1: was how our teacher taught in theater, like you were
Speaker 1: just yelled at. So it's also been like an actual
Speaker 1: undoing of like learned behavior in realizing that like that's
Speaker 1: not the most effective or even the best representative of
Speaker 1: myself right like, and I'm not gonna lie to you
Speaker 1: like I would say that. There's like the passion level
Speaker 1: and then there's like the okay you're allowed. And I'm
Speaker 1: really always constantly trying to work on like not going
Speaker 1: to the year loud level, which I've also which being
Speaker 1: with a man will force you to do because niggas
Speaker 1: ain't really havn't that And to hear, I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear. I don't want to hear you talk to
Speaker 1: all the things. But to your point, if I came
Speaker 1: at you like this and you wasn't really hearing me,
Speaker 1: and then I came at you like this again and
Speaker 1: you wasn't hearing me, this only one way to go,
Speaker 1: right listen, you didn't even tell me because usually I'm
Speaker 1: gonna come like this first, and I'm like, I tried
Speaker 1: to be sweet though, like because you already know. But anyway, whatever,
Speaker 1: I okay. So I have to ask you this. This
Speaker 1: is so funny. I um everybody smart, black and funny, smart,
Speaker 1: funny and black genius. I was on it and didn't
Speaker 1: win the other day. He told me, and you you're
Speaker 1: doing and you're taking it on the road, and you've
Speaker 1: done this before, you've been on the road before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what's different this time than before prior to COVID.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything necessarily different. I think we've
Speaker 1: added some elements to the show. Um. We do like
Speaker 1: a whole happy Birthday segment to the show. We are
Speaker 1: constantly adding different songs to the show based on the games.
Speaker 1: We are in Brooklyn on the twenty nine. Um, So there's,
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, there's an element of the show
Speaker 1: on on in the Brooklyn show where we're adding just
Speaker 1: having folks come dress as their favorite character black character
Speaker 1: icon and you don't have to come dress as that. Um.
Speaker 1: But we also we I've announced one of our black
Speaker 1: spurts or that's our word for contestant, which is gonna
Speaker 1: be method Man. Oh lord, I'm coming just to see
Speaker 1: meth Man says. Listen, when anyone who knows me knows
Speaker 1: I have a woo tang fanatic like killop Bees, I'm
Speaker 1: the swall. I'm sick listening like a big big So
Speaker 1: does anybody gets to talking to him beside you? Because
Speaker 1: I does anybody get to do in this place and
Speaker 1: been his presence beside you? Too? Fine, It's really it's
Speaker 1: really it's iconic level findeness. Like that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He's nice, He's, oh my gosh, the nicest, like just
Speaker 1: and consistent. Meth has been the exact same person since
Speaker 1: I met him in like two thousand and six, the
Speaker 1: same person and always just honestly. I can say that
Speaker 1: for like the members of the Wood that I know,
Speaker 1: like Great Kwan Goos, the Rizza, like they're always very
Speaker 1: just like kind, respectful, like they've never come at me sideways.
Speaker 1: A little story. So one time when I had met
Speaker 1: the Rizza, he invited me to come to an Oscar party.
Speaker 1: And when I got to the address, it was a hotel. Oh,
Speaker 1: And I texted him and I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure who you think I am. I know what you
Speaker 1: think I'm about, but I'm not gonna come to your
Speaker 1: hotel room to watch the Oscars. And he called me.
Speaker 1: He's like, uh, it's a penhouse. There's several people here,
Speaker 1: well on this one. See the I get upstairs, it's
Speaker 1: like Eric Alexander, like the whole Castle, the Moll Tech Show.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, guys, sorry about Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: what you this is, but I don't know why he
Speaker 1: learned that day. He's like, come on in, here's you're here.
Speaker 1: No one's here to harm you. I don't There's literally
Speaker 1: a buffet set up like I hate that. I hate that. Okay,
Speaker 1: fine Jack, but you know what, Listen, I come from
Speaker 1: hip hop, like you gotta let people know. You got
Speaker 1: to let people know because they will try it. I
Speaker 1: know we're not going anywhere. I really do need your help.
Speaker 1: You can fast forward through these commercials and then just
Speaker 1: come right back, okay, because I need job to help
Speaker 1: me out. We got more with the Manda Seals on
Speaker 1: the other side of the break. Every chappion and carry
Speaker 1: chappion is to be a champion. A chappion and carry
Speaker 1: chappion and carry Chappi on a chappion and carry chappion
Speaker 1: and carry Chappi and sports and then the tam making
Speaker 1: make it work. Very chappion and carry chappion is to
Speaker 1: be a champion. A champion. They carry Chappi and they care,
Speaker 1: they and they care. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Naked Amanda.
Speaker 1: See you Let's do music because I have said and
Speaker 1: you and I I'm not about to make this all
Speaker 1: about people we know, but Kendrick Carter told me you
Speaker 1: are arguably the most talented person she has ever met,
Speaker 1: which to me explains your need to do so many
Speaker 1: different things at once because it just comes naturally. This
Speaker 1: is what Kinder said. She was like, sings Dan, how
Speaker 1: is Kendra. She's doing good. She's doing really good. For me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm and she she talks about the time y'all was
Speaker 1: friends walking to New York City streets hanging out. She
Speaker 1: comes see you perform. Wait, can I just give a
Speaker 1: big up to her? Real quick? Yes, I just give
Speaker 1: a big up when I'm When I moved to Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: I knew that I wanted my life to be different.
Speaker 1: So that was one of the reasons why I moved
Speaker 1: to Los Angeles. I was like, if you want drastic change,
Speaker 1: you gotta make drastic moves. So I moved across the
Speaker 1: nation from New York to Los Angeles. And one of
Speaker 1: the things I wanted to change was that I wanted
Speaker 1: to be a part of work that had more value
Speaker 1: to it because a lot of the work that I
Speaker 1: was doing with a lot of pop culture stuff that
Speaker 1: was kind of just like flash in the pan, Like
Speaker 1: you know, you say a little joke, but it didn't
Speaker 1: have like actual, like gravitas to it, and I knew
Speaker 1: that I was gonna have to do scripted television like
Speaker 1: that just felt like. I was like, that's next in
Speaker 1: my path. But no one at my agency would send
Speaker 1: would would send me out on auditions. They would not
Speaker 1: send me out on scripted auditions. They were like, no,
Speaker 1: you're a digital talent. You're a digital talent. And so
Speaker 1: I had to then go to my resources and I
Speaker 1: hit up Kendrack Carter and I was like, is there
Speaker 1: any way you can get me a meeting with the
Speaker 1: scripted department at NBC? And she was like, say less,
Speaker 1: set it up. I went and met with them. My
Speaker 1: agent hits me like, hey, did you just send a
Speaker 1: meeting at NBC? Yes? I did, Yes, I did. Sure
Speaker 1: did that. Y'all would not set me up with and that,
Speaker 1: but that her allowing that, like her making that happen
Speaker 1: forced my agency to then send me out on auditions,
Speaker 1: which is how I ended up auditioning for Insecure. The
Speaker 1: wow wow wow, wow wow wow. Does she know that story?
Speaker 1: I don't think she does. Oh no, I gotta put
Speaker 1: you guys on tax after this. That's powerful and she
Speaker 1: but she's never. This is one thing we both love
Speaker 1: about her as someone who can recognize talent. She's never
Speaker 1: I've never seen her off. She just knows. She's like, no,
Speaker 1: a man, I can do it all. And so with
Speaker 1: that being said, I don't know if a lot of
Speaker 1: people knew you were in Flowertry you were more with
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I don't know if they know
Speaker 1: that you replaced one of the members and went on tour.
Speaker 1: You have such a not even considering that you have
Speaker 1: a master's from Columbia, which is so hard to get
Speaker 1: into period. Right, you had this true intellect, then you
Speaker 1: have created this, this this brand for yourself in this
Speaker 1: showcase that you're taking on the world. Then you're an actress.
Speaker 1: Then you're like, you can do it all. Does that
Speaker 1: get cumbersome for you or confuse the vision? Um, it's
Speaker 1: cumbersome because I what I'm not really good at is
Speaker 1: marketing and like business strategy. Like I'm not a dummy,
Speaker 1: so I can like create opportunities for myself to keep
Speaker 1: things going. But I am not enterprising um in the
Speaker 1: way that I see some of my peers be. UM.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure yet if that's a good or
Speaker 1: I'm not sure yet if that's held me back or
Speaker 1: if that's kept me sane. I. UM, that's a fair
Speaker 1: question because ultimately people are like, why aren't you da
Speaker 1: da You know what I mean? Like, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think there's something that happens when you mix creativity with commerce,
Speaker 1: right like with capitalism, Like there's a piece of you
Speaker 1: that you lose in that change. You said it earlier.
Speaker 1: You are free thinkers. You don't have to worry about
Speaker 1: being tied to open or a brand or what. You
Speaker 1: can say what comes to your mind. So that's why
Speaker 1: it's authentic. So like Bebbie Smith is always like a
Speaker 1: voice who will just like poke her head in to
Speaker 1: be like, keep going your path is different, keep going um,
Speaker 1: because because sometimes you just think like am I doing
Speaker 1: what I'm supposed to be doing? Should I have a
Speaker 1: certain level of you know, at one point it felt
Speaker 1: like should I have a certain level of fame? I
Speaker 1: don't feel that way anymore because I really fame is
Speaker 1: like this weird thing that I'm not really interested in. UM.
Speaker 1: But what I am interested in is options and being
Speaker 1: able to have like the options to create without UM.
Speaker 1: So many barriers and so much convincing, right, But you
Speaker 1: come to understand that like the people who kind of
Speaker 1: fand away, the people who navigate that very deftly, they
Speaker 1: are they have a different relationship to their art. So
Speaker 1: that's why so many people have like a business person
Speaker 1: who's like their partner or that works alongside them, who
Speaker 1: who thinks that way, Because I'm the one who's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so what we can do is all right, now, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to do a game show, and then it's
Speaker 1: got to be like black history, but then it's also
Speaker 1: a sing along, and then it's also you know, so
Speaker 1: like I got you on that, I got you on that.
Speaker 1: But then there's also the people who are like, but
Speaker 1: why don't you know sponsors yet? Yeah? And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: because I don't really know how to do that same
Speaker 1: but and I do, and I do understand the frustration
Speaker 1: of someone being like you should already have that. You're
Speaker 1: just like, it doesn't work that way. It just doesn't.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, but it doesn't. It's a
Speaker 1: different capacity. How many times a day do you get
Speaker 1: why don't you have your own show? Girl? I'm all like,
Speaker 1: I don't know who? And I started it with you,
Speaker 1: and normally now I receive it as that's a compliment
Speaker 1: you want mine. It didn't hear me you want to
Speaker 1: hear or to be like but no, before you're like, well,
Speaker 1: because you ain't got your own show, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like are they giving out shows the black
Speaker 1: girls little black girls around the way they should? They?
Speaker 1: Really should? I I really? You had said earlier that
Speaker 1: you feel like I would I should have like my
Speaker 1: own daily show, And I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: people are like, a man, I should do the Daily
Speaker 1: Show And I would not do the Daily Show for
Speaker 1: a number of reasons, right, But one of them is
Speaker 1: like I would not want to live in New York
Speaker 1: again for that, just like indefinitely. But the other reason
Speaker 1: is because, like you said something where you were like,
Speaker 1: you know, you like kind of like wax poetic and
Speaker 1: philosophies on topics beyond like what people are talking about,
Speaker 1: and it's like that that's the show I would want,
Speaker 1: Like I don't want the show where I'm telling you
Speaker 1: the news, Like I want the show where you already
Speaker 1: know the news and I'm providing and ideating and considering
Speaker 1: other things about that, which is what I thought. I
Speaker 1: was gonna get to do what the real um you know,
Speaker 1: like just because it's like when you have these topics,
Speaker 1: there's only so much you can say about like the fact.
Speaker 1: It's like these are the facts. But then it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you yes, yes, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you expound upon that? How do you like
Speaker 1: make that relatable? How do you apply that to like
Speaker 1: bigger concepts of our socialization, of patriarchy, etcetera, etcetera. Like
Speaker 1: that's the stuff I'm interested in, Yeah, the teaching of
Speaker 1: it all because you are a professor. So yes, that's
Speaker 1: also something Kindred used to call you. She said she
Speaker 1: needs to go on and go ahead and just be
Speaker 1: a professor. I don't know what she's doing. Thought about it.
Speaker 1: I thought about it. I really like when I was
Speaker 1: I was trying to move to When I was trying
Speaker 1: to move to l A, I was trying to figure
Speaker 1: out how it was going to do it because it
Speaker 1: seemed like such a BMS task, like the money and
Speaker 1: then where are you gonna live? And then the job.
Speaker 1: And I had become friends with um my sister Tommy Crump,
Speaker 1: who's an exact and it's saturdaye so Tommy is just
Speaker 1: that is my sister from another mister and Tommy. I
Speaker 1: just remember Tommy sitting a glass of wine and being like,
Speaker 1: m what did you get like a PhD fellowship and
Speaker 1: like that could pay for it? And I was like THEA,
Speaker 1: you sound just like her to right? You know, Tommy
Speaker 1: is Tommy is part of my Uh. Tommy is a
Speaker 1: part of like the character shaping that I did for
Speaker 1: Tiffany Oh are you kidding me? Yes? I did. She
Speaker 1: never told me that she doesn't tell people because she's like,
Speaker 1: I don't like. Tiffany du Bois of Insecure is based
Speaker 1: on my friend Tommy Crump, who is just as like
Speaker 1: Studio corporate as she as she is Philly to the bone. Okay,
Speaker 1: so she's both of those things. And then the other
Speaker 1: part of my character shaping for Tiffany Dubon Insecure was
Speaker 1: Shante More in the Shante Has Got a Man video
Speaker 1: that yes, as I'm screaming yes that yeah, and like
Speaker 1: Shanta Moore like started following me and I was just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, like the world are colliding. Wait a second.
Speaker 1: She took a simple wine and say why don't you
Speaker 1: just get a PhD fellowship? That's that's exactly what she
Speaker 1: would say, Yeah, casual, why don't you just do that?
Speaker 1: That's like when my mom, like in like two thousand
Speaker 1: and four just like turned to me casually on the
Speaker 1: couch and was like, you know who, you should do
Speaker 1: a song with Lenny Gravitz? Should I? Okay, let me
Speaker 1: get him a ring. I think that's where the defense
Speaker 1: that you would have around like people saying why don't
Speaker 1: you have a show, that's where it comes from. It's
Speaker 1: like this idea that you're like turning down, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, like like like there's just like like you
Speaker 1: It's like when people say, like why don't you have
Speaker 1: a man? If there were show? Many options? Gny like
Speaker 1: fact that used to blow my mind when people say,
Speaker 1: like one, like why are we acting as if we're
Speaker 1: like getting dropped off at good Nigga Island and we're
Speaker 1: just like no, no, no, he's too short, so he's
Speaker 1: too fine, Like that's not a thing that's happening. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's good, I listen, I it's I. There has not
Speaker 1: been a charted course yet, and I'm literally trying to
Speaker 1: find it. Like I talked to my dude all the
Speaker 1: time about like where where do you come from? Like
Speaker 1: He's like, it's just me. I'm one of one. I
Speaker 1: would set apart for you. I'm one of one set
Speaker 1: apart for you, nobody else. I won't believe it because
Speaker 1: every time, every time I see you, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get her a boom. It's coming, it's coming,
Speaker 1: and my show was coming, as is your show. It's coming.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. There's a large part of me that
Speaker 1: also just feels like I've been a late bloomer in
Speaker 1: every facet of my life. So like, why wouldn't I
Speaker 1: be a late boomer in like the show facet? Like
Speaker 1: why wouldn't I like I was a late bloomer in
Speaker 1: like physical development, I've been a late bloomer and even
Speaker 1: just like my own sense of awareness and health and
Speaker 1: healing right, and like I when I got with my partner,
Speaker 1: we were together in college and then we like lived
Speaker 1: separate lives and then we came back together. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to correct receive him like literally
Speaker 1: six months earlier. Correct, I wouldn't have can I feel
Speaker 1: like work? Because you were doing the work. I was
Speaker 1: like in the thick of the ficking, I know about
Speaker 1: it that working, it's it's and it's hard, and you
Speaker 1: got to sit with these uncomfortable as feelings and realizations
Speaker 1: of who you are and just like yes, yeah, you're
Speaker 1: like okay, and it's all the printing period because yes,
Speaker 1: we want our our partner, Yes we want our show
Speaker 1: and it is in due time. And I think the
Speaker 1: Daily Show comment it's just about and and it's hard
Speaker 1: for people to receive compliments. So just just just hear me.
Speaker 1: I received it. I received it. I totally received because
Speaker 1: as someone who sees everyone pop up with a show
Speaker 1: on air, it's very in this world of of our
Speaker 1: attention span is like this, if someone is literally waiting
Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say to the very end,
Speaker 1: it's very important to know that your voice means a lot.
Speaker 1: It may not. I'd rather have a super small dope
Speaker 1: following instead of like thirty million people who don't even
Speaker 1: pay attention to me quantity every single day, and so
Speaker 1: it is. It is you are constantly top of mind
Speaker 1: when people are talking about did you hear what a
Speaker 1: man is said the other day about such and such?
Speaker 1: So that's new, Like I did not really realize that,
Speaker 1: Like I genuinely did not really realize that until we
Speaker 1: started going outside again. Okay, um, because you know, we
Speaker 1: was in this pandemic and we were all in the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So I was be on my phone because
Speaker 1: I'm in a house. Okay, Like I'm just I'm in
Speaker 1: the house. So I got a thought, let me share
Speaker 1: I'm in the house. Hey. And and if I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: I think the inner net connection kind of helped me
Speaker 1: main saying in the isolation of the quarantine and the
Speaker 1: first two years of the pandemic, because I didn't feel
Speaker 1: safe to go out and tour, I didn't feel safe
Speaker 1: to go out and like keep doing the art thing
Speaker 1: that I was doing. And so it was like this
Speaker 1: last thread of like, Okay, I can still be expressive
Speaker 1: and get something back right. And so then when we
Speaker 1: started going outside again, people would be coming up to me,
Speaker 1: like our peers would be coming up to me and saying, like, girl,
Speaker 1: I've been following you throughout this whole, in this very pandemic.
Speaker 1: You got me through this pandemic. I'm like for real,
Speaker 1: And that was something I kind of just didn't um,
Speaker 1: I just wasn't truly aware of and it heightened Mike,
Speaker 1: it heightened my consciousness about like shifting. I realized I
Speaker 1: had to shift my focus that I've been really kind
Speaker 1: of following the normal track of like I need to
Speaker 1: get these executives to care about me. I need to
Speaker 1: get this industry to get to care about me. And
Speaker 1: I realized, like, no, what you need to do is
Speaker 1: preserve the connection you have with the audience that cares
Speaker 1: about you, and you need to put your energy into
Speaker 1: that and to figuring out how to do that, which
Speaker 1: is why I decided, like, let me go on tour.
Speaker 1: And so I've been on tour with the Black Outside
Speaker 1: Again Tour since Joe Lot, since June um and it's
Speaker 1: been it's been of a journey. It's been a bit
Speaker 1: of a journey because, uh, one of my partners along
Speaker 1: the way in the tour like didn't really show up
Speaker 1: in the way that I would have liked them too,
Speaker 1: and so it caused my tickets to not move in
Speaker 1: the way that they normally do. And I and there
Speaker 1: was this worry by them that like, oh, well, you
Speaker 1: shouldn't do shows where you only sold of the house
Speaker 1: because it's gonna be embarrassing for you. And let me
Speaker 1: tell you they could have not been more wrong, because
Speaker 1: when you are folks like us who like people aren't
Speaker 1: like fans of their supporters of a different it's a
Speaker 1: different energy. Like they're showing up. It's like every person
Speaker 1: equals six people, yeah, saying like they're showing up with
Speaker 1: full Like I'm here. So even if even if I'm
Speaker 1: in a venue that's supposed to have two thousand people
Speaker 1: and there's only seven hundred people there, it feels like
Speaker 1: five thousand because they rock what you heavy, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And you're you got for coming out? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: they have your back. It is it is honestly, I
Speaker 1: think something that you said, the pandemic gave you and
Speaker 1: yes you did give it back. But when you're sought
Speaker 1: after for opinion, much like you know our brother shar,
Speaker 1: people want to hear what you have to say. It's
Speaker 1: part of the culture. You're a voice of the culture.
Speaker 1: And as it's happening, you don't know it's happening, but
Speaker 1: it's happening in real time. The I can I can
Speaker 1: name people, but it's just happening in real time. And
Speaker 1: it could be a conversation at the dinner table about
Speaker 1: what you said about what's going on with the city
Speaker 1: council here in l A, which I'm I mean, you
Speaker 1: got me, had me fired up. Just the videos with
Speaker 1: you not looking and just making faces are hilarious. So listen.
Speaker 1: Someone commented that that video was reposted, and someone in
Speaker 1: the comments said, you know what upsets me about this
Speaker 1: is these videos where someone is reacting to what other
Speaker 1: people said and judging them as if they're perfect. Amanda
Speaker 1: seals better hope no videos or recordings leak of her.
Speaker 1: And I thought that was interesting, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that I have absolutely said ship that people
Speaker 1: will take and and run with, right, nothing like that,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure, let me just disclaimer that. But that
Speaker 1: being said, I'm like my response to that was, I think,
Speaker 1: my what what's odd to me is that you because
Speaker 1: he was like, it feels like this is for entertainment value,
Speaker 1: and as it was odd to me is that you
Speaker 1: feel that like bolstering an entertainment aspect to the revelation
Speaker 1: of information that people should know about. It is like
Speaker 1: that that somehow devalues the information that they're being shown.
Speaker 1: And in my opinion, I feel like what I've been
Speaker 1: really um fortunate to figure out is how to use
Speaker 1: my entertainment value to create education and make it edutainment.
Speaker 1: So like that situation with the woman in l A
Speaker 1: City council and the other two members and them talking
Speaker 1: very disparagingly about indigenous people in Mexico as well as
Speaker 1: about this black child, etcetera, Like that is information that
Speaker 1: folks need to know because these are people who are
Speaker 1: in legislative like and like rulemaking and lawmaking positions, and
Speaker 1: if they are holding biases against the people in their constituency,
Speaker 1: then they are not the people they should be in
Speaker 1: that job. And if I got to make a video
Speaker 1: reacting to make to a grand eye or amplify that,
Speaker 1: then so be it. Then so be it. Because you
Speaker 1: you make it so simple and so plain. Then you're like,
Speaker 1: I am outraged. You mean to tell me we here,
Speaker 1: we are all marginalized black and brown folks and so
Speaker 1: we're all against each other. So the black stor with
Speaker 1: the blacks and the white sor what the are we doing?
Speaker 1: What is the point? Well, you know, the thing is
Speaker 1: is that not all brown folks are brown folks. So
Speaker 1: like there's you know, within the Latino X or Hispanic
Speaker 1: community you know, you have Afro Latino Afro Latin X
Speaker 1: people and then you have you know, indigenous people. But
Speaker 1: then you have the white folks who are the descendants
Speaker 1: of slaves. And you know, I think they called they
Speaker 1: called the mestizo um but they they consider themselves adjacent
Speaker 1: to whiteness, and they're like, we're gonna be I'd say,
Speaker 1: I would say, like they think they're gonna be the
Speaker 1: next Italians like you because Italians were not considered white.
Speaker 1: And then it was like, we need more folks, We
Speaker 1: need more folks. Y'all could be white, y'all could be
Speaker 1: Like white whiteness is a Whiteness is a moving goal
Speaker 1: post that only consider that only contains um. It's power
Speaker 1: by numbers, right. So that's why, like when you see
Speaker 1: this whole Roe v. Wade thing, and there's a theory
Speaker 1: that this has to do with there being fewer white
Speaker 1: babies born, like that completely supports that, like there has
Speaker 1: to be it's a I saw this brother speaking the
Speaker 1: other day. I'm so mad at don't have his name
Speaker 1: in my mind right now, but he was saying racism
Speaker 1: as a team sport, like as a team sport. And
Speaker 1: so if you have the deeper bench. You can fight
Speaker 1: the fight like you can keep yourself on top. And
Speaker 1: I look at black folks all the time and say,
Speaker 1: you know, we miss we have missed the boat on
Speaker 1: realizing the incredible depth and power that we have simply
Speaker 1: just in numbers, in numbers and sticking together. And we
Speaker 1: have no we don't we have no concept of the
Speaker 1: power that we have. And we love to say we're
Speaker 1: not a monolith. And I'm like, but we could stand
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more. We could, we could
Speaker 1: be a little more one I and and and whatever.
Speaker 1: I can started talking about that all day up on
Speaker 1: your people, but I love I love you. Every Chappion
Speaker 1: and care every Chappion is to be a champion of
Speaker 1: champion and carry Chappion and carry Chappian a champion and
Speaker 1: carry Chappion and carry Chappion sports. And then the taming
Speaker 1: can make it work. Harry, Chappion and carry Chappion. Is
Speaker 1: to be a Chappian a champion. They carry Chappi and
Speaker 1: they Chappion, they carry Chappi and they care with Chappion,
Speaker 1: and the taming can make it work. I do say
Speaker 1: this with my understanding of your entertainment. Do you ever
Speaker 1: feel because I used to say this all the time.
Speaker 1: You talk every day on TV Bound Bound and says
Speaker 1: it's just gonna happen. Do you ever feel that you
Speaker 1: want to not be in the game after a bad
Speaker 1: day on social? Do you ever feel like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: packing it up. You don't get no more in my wisdom?
Speaker 1: You got you? Have you ever felt that way? Even
Speaker 1: when like even if let's talk about Insecure, You're like,
Speaker 1: you do know this is a character like I am
Speaker 1: just you know, I was like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: What I couldn't even understand? I couldn't understand it. I
Speaker 1: could not understand it. That would have made me irritated,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, to the point where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm tapping off. I'm tapping off a social I
Speaker 1: don't like you guys, this is I am not in
Speaker 1: a k A. This is a character that I am playing.
Speaker 1: If you guys could give me some grace, I have
Speaker 1: felt I have felt that way, Like sometimes it just
Speaker 1: feels like, oh, like this is just an overabundance of
Speaker 1: ignorance that I can't take, or this is an over
Speaker 1: abundance of negativity that I can't take men. I have
Speaker 1: told this story before, Like I remember when I had
Speaker 1: I had two situations happened in two thousand nineteen where
Speaker 1: like I was just drag baby, okay, dow wow through
Speaker 1: the inter nets and why we can't laugh at it now,
Speaker 1: do you? Guys don't want to through the internet like
Speaker 1: that is some real Just visualize that's how it would be.
Speaker 1: Literally dog walked me through the internet. And and folks
Speaker 1: don't understand that because folks will say things like I
Speaker 1: don't know why you care that people who don't know
Speaker 1: you are talking about you, And it's like that's why
Speaker 1: because they're just like you don't like so. But I
Speaker 1: was being dog walked through this Internet, and there was
Speaker 1: it was a scenario that had happened, and I thought like, okay,
Speaker 1: we had gotten through it, and then it got re
Speaker 1: visited like someone just decided, like on a Tuesday at
Speaker 1: two o'clock, like, you know what, let me just put
Speaker 1: this back in the atmosphere. And I started getting the
Speaker 1: tags and getting the d m s and I just
Speaker 1: like I remember I was about to interview comedian Sam
Speaker 1: j on my podcast, and so she was at the
Speaker 1: house and I literally just like fell like I like
Speaker 1: crumbled to my knees and was just like I'm done.
Speaker 1: I'm just done. Like it like actually broke me because
Speaker 1: because the thing, because the thing that I was being
Speaker 1: attacked for was for something that I was wholeheartedly justified
Speaker 1: in doing and and it needed to happen. And it
Speaker 1: was like, how could I be so misunderstood in this situation?
Speaker 1: Like like what does that like? And so what happens
Speaker 1: is you read the point of like if this is
Speaker 1: how people react to me moving at my most authentic
Speaker 1: and genuine, then like how the funk could I continue
Speaker 1: to move in this space? I have to go right,
Speaker 1: And I feel like for a lot of people, that's
Speaker 1: what suicide really is about. It's like if this is
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be, if I continue to be me,
Speaker 1: then I just can't continue to be um. And I
Speaker 1: felt I felt that before too, but but as it
Speaker 1: related to the business, like that was I just said
Speaker 1: and Sam had to like, yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 1: a Terry McMillan film. Like Sam had to like pick
Speaker 1: me up off the ground and be like, no, sister,
Speaker 1: this is You've got to keep going, you know, And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh God, just like no, that don't
Speaker 1: break you, you know. And then it's like it's a
Speaker 1: title Perry stage play, you know, and you're just like
Speaker 1: to have like but you know in the more, in
Speaker 1: the more, like in the more travel sis there because
Speaker 1: we're so happy and Sam is strong. That's a strong girl,
Speaker 1: you Sam Strange. She said, let me pick you up
Speaker 1: physically and emotionally. Everybody you know you need that. You
Speaker 1: need that. People always ask me like, oh, like what's
Speaker 1: your advice and someone getting in this business, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: make sure you have people around you who reminds you
Speaker 1: of who you are on the days of this business
Speaker 1: makes you forget amen. That is a by the way,
Speaker 1: that is a word for your ass. And then it
Speaker 1: just rejuvenates you. And she gave you what you needed
Speaker 1: to keep going. I think, I think you're built for this.
Speaker 1: But then when you're in the middle of being dogwalk
Speaker 1: on the internet and you're always like surprised, like like
Speaker 1: I know, it's always the most random, You're like, wait,
Speaker 1: what you know? And it'll it'll creep up on you
Speaker 1: so many times, y'all. I will like send a tweet
Speaker 1: and then go about my life or like send it
Speaker 1: like something and then just go about my life and
Speaker 1: then like, you know, a few hours later, look at
Speaker 1: my phone, like I don't know if you remember. There
Speaker 1: was this white lady who like she like sent a
Speaker 1: tweet before she took off on a flight to South
Speaker 1: Africa and she said something like I'm going she said
Speaker 1: something like hella racist, and she was like, uh an
Speaker 1: exact for some big company. And then she and then
Speaker 1: she turned her phone off and like took off on
Speaker 1: the on the plight and when she landed fourteen hours later,
Speaker 1: she had like lost her job, like she had been
Speaker 1: like everything had been blown up, and I'm just like damn,
Speaker 1: Like that's how would be sometimes, she said out the
Speaker 1: tweet I will never forget when I was sitting in
Speaker 1: a Paris airport and I sent out a tweet that said,
Speaker 1: if you have Jay's and Nike suits and you don't
Speaker 1: have a passport, then you're losing. And then I like
Speaker 1: put my phone away and went out with my life.
Speaker 1: And by the time I got to WiFi again, I
Speaker 1: was the hated, Like what was what was the outrage
Speaker 1: for the alleged outrage um, The alleged outrage was that
Speaker 1: I was policing how black people spend their money. Didn't
Speaker 1: say anything about black people in the tweet. I was
Speaker 1: policing how black people spend their money. I was being elitist.
Speaker 1: I was trying to force people to travel who don't
Speaker 1: want to travel. I was talking about this on candyvirus
Speaker 1: is Um podcast the other day, well her show the
Speaker 1: other day, and I was like, I never forget. There
Speaker 1: was a tweet that said Amanda Seals is an elitist,
Speaker 1: petty bourgeoisie who is passport shaming the disenfranchised black community. Wow.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm doing all of that. Wow, okay,
Speaker 1: just by a tweet, I did all that. You you're
Speaker 1: and that's the part where you're just like, you don't
Speaker 1: even know me, what are you talking about? Oh? Someone
Speaker 1: told me the other day that by re sharing an
Speaker 1: al Ja zero news story about something about like a
Speaker 1: announced Zerra's news story about something going on in Ethiopia,
Speaker 1: they said that I was empowering the Ethiopian government. And
Speaker 1: I was like, ma'am, I don't have that kind of power. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well she but yes, that's the beauty of it all though.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's how people see you, and
Speaker 1: it's interesting and that doesn't mean change who you are.
Speaker 1: It means that that just comes with the territory of
Speaker 1: having the ear right and being a voice within our
Speaker 1: culture right, But it does mean changing like what you
Speaker 1: decide to like stepped into I feel yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: depends well because you know Jamale and I would be
Speaker 1: like did Jamal? Like I don't even feel like getting
Speaker 1: into it with the today, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like Mel's mom. Damel's mom was on my flight back
Speaker 1: from Detroit the other day. She told her. She was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know my daughter is Jamel. Hill was like did
Speaker 1: you told jam All that? Did I was texting her.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, yeah, mother, sign me and she
Speaker 1: was like oh. She then told the whole plane and
Speaker 1: she's my mom. That is so funny. Well let me.
Speaker 1: I don't think her mom realized that I like know
Speaker 1: her know her though, like I was. She was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know my daughter was like she's like, what's your name?
Speaker 1: A man? And she was like, well, thank you for
Speaker 1: your support, And I was like, you know, like I
Speaker 1: was like that, like like I don't like a textic
Speaker 1: like that's at yeah, not not only do I support her,
Speaker 1: but that's like my friends real like, yeah, you do
Speaker 1: know my daughter, Okay, no, um, so I do I
Speaker 1: do know. I do know if you want to feel
Speaker 1: the headach, because no matter what, when you're in the
Speaker 1: middle of it, it still takes a lot from you
Speaker 1: and I and I think, and I've said this before,
Speaker 1: I'm in the space where I like to watch people
Speaker 1: evolve and grow and I've seen you do that. So
Speaker 1: don't be kind and gentle to yourself. Don't take that
Speaker 1: for granted, because it's it's beautiful and it's special. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Carrie Champs. What you're about to say, no, because people
Speaker 1: I see people all the time will be like, you're
Speaker 1: so much like happier now you know, you're just not
Speaker 1: as angry. It's like, damn can get loved, Like like yeah,
Speaker 1: and let me learn and love helps that you've been
Speaker 1: learning and that's and and I'm watching. Yeah, we're allowed
Speaker 1: to do that. We are allowed to do that. So
Speaker 1: don't don't get that part of the process. I don't
Speaker 1: believe in the whole, like, oh, a leopard doesn't change
Speaker 1: its spots, like people are who they are, Like I've
Speaker 1: never believed that. I think that's a cop out. And
Speaker 1: I I feel like there's a lot of Um, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of tropes that humans like kind of just
Speaker 1: repeat but they don't really know the source of. So
Speaker 1: I started reading this book. I can't remember the name
Speaker 1: of it right now, but I started reading this book
Speaker 1: that basically seeks to reassess what is human nature. And
Speaker 1: they talk about how like so much of what we
Speaker 1: consider to be human nature, like how we say life
Speaker 1: isn't fair, how we say like, you know, like how
Speaker 1: we like people kind of say like greed is a
Speaker 1: natural human condition. Like they were like, you know, these
Speaker 1: are things that were basically like just written by white
Speaker 1: people who had the power to write in in like
Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds, and then it just got passed down
Speaker 1: the pass down, the paths down, the pass down, and
Speaker 1: it's like it's not you do that. Yeah, wow wow
Speaker 1: wow wow wow wow. Yeah. That's that's what we have.
Speaker 1: You know. We have the power to define and redefine
Speaker 1: how we want to show up. And um, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of times we don't realize that. Well, particularly
Speaker 1: for women, it is defined like this is how you're
Speaker 1: supposed to show up, and then you start to realize
Speaker 1: but I don't wanna, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to show that
Speaker 1: way like I want to wear skirts and also give
Speaker 1: niggas a dad. Can I do both? Can I do? Why?
Speaker 1: And by the way, that's that is the nature of
Speaker 1: what I would say about your talent. You do it all,
Speaker 1: and you do it the way you want to do it,
Speaker 1: and you can and you can and and no one
Speaker 1: can take that from you. You can and you will.
Speaker 1: So I support you on where canever you? Okay? So
Speaker 1: in a man diaverse, will they find tour dates because
Speaker 1: I know you said you're doing Yeah, you can go
Speaker 1: to a Manda sales dot com. The twenty nine is
Speaker 1: October in Brooklyn. I will be in Philly doing stand
Speaker 1: up on November twelfth. You can catch me in Oakland
Speaker 1: after that, and then I'm closing out the tour in
Speaker 1: Chicago December second, third, and fourth. So get your tickets
Speaker 1: at Amanda Seals dot com. And if you want to
Speaker 1: hear just more of my musings, you want to see
Speaker 1: behind the scenes footage, you want to see special exclusive
Speaker 1: series that I'm doing, like my docuseries Amanda on the Move,
Speaker 1: or like my commentary series Rebels and radicals. You can
Speaker 1: subscribe to the Amanda Verse. It's a universe of Amanda.
Speaker 1: You can subscribe to the Amanda Verse, and when you
Speaker 1: get an annual membership, you get a shirt that says
Speaker 1: Seal Squad that we're part of it, designed by mob
Speaker 1: by my hand. I drew it myself. So I love
Speaker 1: the monetization of it all. Don't give out these musings
Speaker 1: for free. Because you've given out, You've given out knowledge.
Speaker 1: It should be paid for. It should be it should
Speaker 1: be premium, premium. I mean, I'm I'm honestly like working
Speaker 1: to be just not working harder, but working. Yeah, girl,
Speaker 1: joined joint, yes, ma'am. I mean, I'm I'm hoping to
Speaker 1: announce something really soon that I think people will really
Speaker 1: be happy about it. I felt like you were gonna
Speaker 1: be doing something soon, and I was like, I wonder,
Speaker 1: well she say something now. I don't know anything, but
Speaker 1: I just felt like it. I was like, it's just
Speaker 1: a matter of time. I just you know, my waiting
Speaker 1: on those paperwork. Okay, same, same, all right, So I
Speaker 1: guess what, guys, we're both waiting on our paperwork. So
Speaker 1: everybody gets you show, you get a shoe, shot, a
Speaker 1: shot smart, funny and black. I actually, as mentioned in
Speaker 1: the podcast, happened to do it and got be badly.
Speaker 1: I was bad on my black culture, my black pop culture.
Speaker 1: You'll forgive me. Bomonty Jones. Shout out to Bomony Jones.
Speaker 1: But she's on tour. Check her out. She told you
Speaker 1: she was going to be in Atlanta on the fifteenth,
Speaker 1: although this will have already aired, but she's also in
Speaker 1: working on the twenty night. And then she's also on tour.
Speaker 1: She's doing She's at a couple of comedy clubs in Phillies,
Speaker 1: So you gotta go to a maniverse dot com a
Speaker 1: Manda Seals dot com. Check it out. Support Her support
Speaker 1: looks like, I appreciate what you do because I know
Speaker 1: it's hard to do what you do and if you
Speaker 1: could do it differently, you would. And and honestly, when
Speaker 1: I meet people like that, who I know it is
Speaker 1: in there being to be who they are. They're not
Speaker 1: doing it for effect, for fame, for for attention. It
Speaker 1: is just who they are. Um and then that other
Speaker 1: part comes, right that that entertainment business side of it
Speaker 1: will come, But it is who she is and I
Speaker 1: am more than willing to support her. I ask you
Speaker 1: guys to do the same. That was my helpboat cracking
Speaker 1: again and I guess I gotta get in yoga. Next week,
Speaker 1: we're back with a new edition of Naked