Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to sixty one,
Speaker 1: episode two of a production of My Heart Radio. This
Speaker 1: is a podcast where we take a deep dive into
Speaker 1: America's sharing consciousness. And it is, of course, Tuesday, November one.
Speaker 1: Miles is wearing a wig and I'm not wearing a
Speaker 1: wigles that hair transplant and I kept it under wraps
Speaker 1: as I was wearing the cap so I could do
Speaker 1: the big hits you all with the big reveal with
Speaker 1: my beautiful blonde hair. It's an amazing look, Miles, you
Speaker 1: know and just that what was it? Something that had
Speaker 1: had to do with your Halloween costume last night? And
Speaker 1: You're like, yes, yes, I am still rocking it. If
Speaker 1: you could tell, I'm also wearing shirt that says ethnically ambiguous.
Speaker 1: She gets your ethnically ambiguous murch okay, shout out the show.
Speaker 1: But I realized when I wear the wig with it,
Speaker 1: I love blond wig. Yeah, I look like Filipino Julian
Speaker 1: Assans or something. What is November one? That's all same?
Speaker 1: Is that what we were all so good? Catolico over there, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: it is. It's the day that we celebrate all of them,
Speaker 1: like every day you know I'm celebrating my favorite, you know,
Speaker 1: top three saints, but you know the dame or all
Speaker 1: of them, the deep cuts my top three three Sat
Speaker 1: Frances of Assissy. Oh you love animals, John st John,
Speaker 1: Remember you've got to be one of those. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: and baptized our our savior, Jesus Christ. Who else? Yes?
Speaker 1: You got in? Xavier? I think is my what's it
Speaker 1: called nax? You know, Frances Xavier's my my dad's confer
Speaker 1: not confessional name. What's it called? Confederate name? Your Confederate name?
Speaker 1: Frances Xavier Lee his favorite Confederate general. Anyway, those are
Speaker 1: my top three, but today is the day for all
Speaker 1: the Saints to party. My name is Jack O'Brien. Hold on,
Speaker 1: there's more. There's more than that. There's so I just
Speaker 1: want to point out there's so many fucking their National
Speaker 1: Author's Day, Biologic Coordinator's Day, cal Zone Day, Cinnamon Day,
Speaker 1: Deep fried clams Day, Family. Literally, dude, this is like
Speaker 1: it's an inexhaustible list right now. That's they were all
Speaker 1: waiting to. They were saving up because they didn't wanna
Speaker 1: tangle with all hallow dive as we call it around here.
Speaker 1: All Right, we'll shout up to authors. I guess yeah,
Speaker 1: my name's Jack O'Brien a k. Dead gray toes O'Brien
Speaker 1: a little leftover Treehouse of Horrors, spare nickname. Even if
Speaker 1: my toes were dead and gray, they wouldn't. That would
Speaker 1: not be the thing that people noticed about them. They
Speaker 1: would instead be like, those are very long toes, uh,
Speaker 1: that that person has fingers at the tip of their feet,
Speaker 1: and then they would be like, oh yeah, and they're
Speaker 1: clearly dead. But you know, anyways, I'm thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joined as always by my co host, Mr Miles Gray.
Speaker 1: Mr Miles is gray because when he walks by anybody,
Speaker 1: they say, hey, hey you, you smell like blunts again
Speaker 1: a k A. Grailor Swift. Because with this, our guest
Speaker 1: was like, hey, are you Taylor Swift? And I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, fuck it? Sure that might work. Let
Speaker 1: me see where this goes. Yeah, for sure, shout out.
Speaker 1: Speaking of our guests, We're thrilled to be joining our
Speaker 1: third s by a hilarious and talented comedy writer and
Speaker 1: actor who wrote some of my favorite comedy scripts I've
Speaker 1: ever read In his time at Cracked. You may remember
Speaker 1: him as the handsome fellow from After Hours. He is
Speaker 1: currently writing for American Dad exclamation Point. You can hear
Speaker 1: him on the podcast he co hosts with Daniel O'Brien
Speaker 1: Quick Question with Sarn and Daniel, and you might have
Speaker 1: heard him on yesterday's episode of Trends. It's that's like
Speaker 1: the first inro introduction, Jack, you ever given me. That
Speaker 1: wasn't just I know, I forgot that. That used to
Speaker 1: be my bit. I funked up. It's been too long, man,
Speaker 1: you gave me a genuine one that was I know.
Speaker 1: It's it's been too long and I'm actually excited to
Speaker 1: see you for once. And so it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: absence makes the heart grow fonder of a sore and booie,
Speaker 1: how are you aren't great? Well, so I got COVID
Speaker 1: for a while, and so I wasn't great for a
Speaker 1: little bit, and now I'm great because now I can
Speaker 1: go wherever I want. What do you mean a COVID
Speaker 1: for a while, like longer than you thought you should have. Okay,
Speaker 1: I thought you had it like three months, you know,
Speaker 1: I had like that the bad three days to start,
Speaker 1: and then I had like that recovery period. But you
Speaker 1: still can't go anywhere. You can't be outside, you can't
Speaker 1: like I was running ninety five around my house. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: eating all my meals in a little dark room and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and nobody else in my family got it. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: I know. It's great. Man, They're really good at avoiding you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's incredible. It was probably Jack, Come on, that's what
Speaker 1: did it. Yeah, I've had a cold for like a week.
Speaker 1: It's like I'm taking like all these supplements medicine and
Speaker 1: like doing doing the things I need to. But it's
Speaker 1: just instead of keeping me from having a cold, has
Speaker 1: just made it like a very slow boiled cold. And
Speaker 1: my voice sounds sounds like I have COVID, which is
Speaker 1: not great because now everybody's just like, oh, you're you're
Speaker 1: the sick sounding guy. We're gonna avoid the hell out
Speaker 1: of you. Yeah. How are your avocados? How are my avocados? No?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sorring you have an avocado tree? Yeah? Like
Speaker 1: this is this is how long? And it has been Jack,
Speaker 1: I've moved. I moved right before the pandemic. Oh my god, anymore,
Speaker 1: and so I don't have avocados anymore. Yeah. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: just embarrassed myself. It also means we don't have rats,
Speaker 1: which is great. Yeah, because you were fighting those off
Speaker 1: with the avocados. You get one with the other, it's true.
Speaker 1: Or you get you get to do the thing where
Speaker 1: you get all these half nibbled avocados and fall down.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, it's rats. Anyone who has an avocado
Speaker 1: to tree Now, I'm like, oh, you poor poor asshole,
Speaker 1: because they are. We're so messy, they're so gross, Like
Speaker 1: every time they fall you get it in your grass.
Speaker 1: And and then you've got also you got squirrels come
Speaker 1: along like nibble it, and they like to perch up
Speaker 1: on somewhere. So if you have any sort of patio
Speaker 1: furniture or a deck or anything, they just sit up
Speaker 1: there and just make a mess of it. And you
Speaker 1: can't get avocado off of anything. It's a bizarre texture. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just have to buy everything avocado color all your
Speaker 1: all your furniture. Yeah. The squirrels, Like, I've realized that
Speaker 1: I have done a bad job of setting boundaries with
Speaker 1: the squirrels that live around our house because they're just
Speaker 1: getting so aggressive. Like one earlier this year came into
Speaker 1: our house was just like walking around and like jumping
Speaker 1: on the furniture and and then just got away. We
Speaker 1: just like kind of shoot him out. And now McGregor
Speaker 1: walk like through out just out saying my ass, you know,
Speaker 1: and then not now they're like we went through three
Speaker 1: rounds of pumpkins on our front porch and they don't.
Speaker 1: They have no fear of me. I guess like once
Speaker 1: they've like entered my home and I was just like, buddy,
Speaker 1: why don't you get out of here. They're not scared
Speaker 1: of me anymore. Like, yeah, I get called buddy's gonna
Speaker 1: be wearing Yeah, they're gonna be wearing your pajamas and
Speaker 1: putting your kids to bed tonight, throwing the football on
Speaker 1: the lawn with my kids when I come home from work, Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: is your wife here? Great tight spiral kids? So proud
Speaker 1: of you? Oh man. Yeah, the squirrel was squirrel was
Speaker 1: chewing a hole in my pumpkin, like scooping out the seeds,
Speaker 1: like popped his head out when I came out, realized
Speaker 1: it was me, and then just like went back to work.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's just me. Squirrels eat the faces off of
Speaker 1: a lot of the jack O lanterns. Yeah, I live
Speaker 1: on a street now that doesn't have street lights. It's
Speaker 1: like this rare street that's very very dark. We have
Speaker 1: owls that live on our street, and so squirrels are
Speaker 1: terrified of the owls. We also have like redtail hawks
Speaker 1: around us. And so the other day Colleen, my wife,
Speaker 1: saw a hawk in the middle of the street. Was
Speaker 1: just like a squirrel pin under its talents in the
Speaker 1: middle of the street as cars are going by, and
Speaker 1: the hawk is just sort of sitting there like kind
Speaker 1: decide what to do at this point, and you're like
Speaker 1: rooting for the like go hawk, Yeah, go please one
Speaker 1: less squirrel, thank you. Yeah, I can't wait to tell Jack.
Speaker 1: Do you know do you know the staircase? Do you know?
Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah? Do you well? Are you a subscribe theory? Oh?
Speaker 1: I love the owl theory. There are owl feathers in
Speaker 1: her hand. Yeah, they're al feathers everywhere. It's definitely the owl.
Speaker 1: There was also a neighbor said that there they had
Speaker 1: been attacked by an owl, like not three days before. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is all to say. Actually, I would be worried
Speaker 1: about anybody else in that situation, but I think owl's
Speaker 1: no better than to funk. With an alpha like sore
Speaker 1: and you know, well they're they're terribly it's not like
Speaker 1: a U we have barnels. So they make that screech
Speaker 1: if you ever heard of all Yeah, it's a there's
Speaker 1: a noise in the night that's like, oh it's not
Speaker 1: I'm not going out there. Very spooky, very appropriate for
Speaker 1: Yesterday since this episode is coming coming out on November one,
Speaker 1: but yes, hey look all Saints Days also spooky. And
Speaker 1: again shout out Danna, Who's whose theory about the staircase
Speaker 1: I subscribe to, which is he definitely killed that one
Speaker 1: woman in Germany. This one he just got caught up,
Speaker 1: you know, and it was just a bad look. So
Speaker 1: he got away with the first one, and so Karma
Speaker 1: had to do a mate good and we're gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like one of those like stories from the beginning
Speaker 1: of Magnolia where it's just the guilt from the first
Speaker 1: one finally catches up to him. All right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of things we're
Speaker 1: talking about today. We are talking about crowd crushes. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: because you know, the standard narratives of it being a
Speaker 1: stampede have broken out. That's the way it was told
Speaker 1: to me before I read the news story that there
Speaker 1: was a stampede in Korea that killed over a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty people, I believe, And that's actually not what
Speaker 1: happened here. What tends to ever happen in big crowd
Speaker 1: deaths like this. So we're just gonna talk about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, how how those things happen, and like the
Speaker 1: media narrative that kind of misses the point. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about Twitter's blue check marks. That's on everyone's mind
Speaker 1: because they're apparently going to be for sale for the
Speaker 1: first time, but maybe not actually for the first time.
Speaker 1: And I think I believe our guest today is a
Speaker 1: blue check mark, so we can talk to him about
Speaker 1: how he bought his. You know, once you when you're
Speaker 1: made of money, it's easy. We're gonna talk about fair
Speaker 1: Moment product because those are making a sweep through TikTok
Speaker 1: and are probably full of ship all of that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first storm, we like to ask our guests, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history? So I found this
Speaker 1: just this morning. I was like, oh, this is a
Speaker 1: perfect I am my search tristy. I have morning finger paint.
Speaker 1: Morning finger painting. It's like, yeah, in my middle finger
Speaker 1: when I wake up in the morning, it feels like
Speaker 1: it's jammed almost. It feels like just like tensing it,
Speaker 1: like flexing it hurts a little bit. Relaxing it even
Speaker 1: like getting it up to like that that full stretch hurts.
Speaker 1: And I was like it was wasn't going away. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, I'm forty forty years old now,
Speaker 1: and they're just so you admit it. You admit that
Speaker 1: though in the middle Yeah, I mean like, look at
Speaker 1: it's okay to be forty and uh I there's just
Speaker 1: like things like I got a shoulder thing that I
Speaker 1: just sort of lived with now, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's it's another thing. And I was like, well, maybe
Speaker 1: I can look it up and see what it is.
Speaker 1: And so I'm trying. I was looking up morning finger pain,
Speaker 1: just like I look up all my ailments, and I'm
Speaker 1: it could be tennanitis, Yeah, you can fix that, or
Speaker 1: could be what's that thing called where your fingers get
Speaker 1: all old and arthritis? Yeah, it could be arthritis like
Speaker 1: the old peak. Yeah, And then you're just done. If
Speaker 1: you got arthritis. Wait, so but why the morning? I
Speaker 1: don't know, like what it It goes away throughout that
Speaker 1: works itself out. Basically, you're so young, so naive. Everything
Speaker 1: hurts in the morning once you hit forty, man, start
Speaker 1: your whole body. Let's throw my back out this morning,
Speaker 1: just like making breakfast for my kids. Like it just
Speaker 1: like up. I was like, oh no, yeah, Like the
Speaker 1: wheels get greased throughout the day somehow moving around, but
Speaker 1: in the morning like super painful. So it could be
Speaker 1: those two things, or if narratives from TV shows have
Speaker 1: taught me anything, there's probably an alternate personality that when
Speaker 1: you go to sleep, takes over and starts doing things
Speaker 1: while you're asleep with your little finger and shoulder. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what it is, but it's spooky and
Speaker 1: scary and you you should start videotaping yourself when you
Speaker 1: go to sleep. Yeah, okay, I love watching those, and
Speaker 1: your kids are gonna be like the man in the
Speaker 1: Tree came back last night me and you're like, what again?
Speaker 1: Is that just yellow jackets or is that? I feel
Speaker 1: like I've seen that other places where like a split,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a trope that yeah, but the
Speaker 1: lady in the tree is definitely Yellow Jackets club. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: fight clubs. Yeah, we're just spoiling ship. Left him right.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated? Sore? Jute rugs?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you guys know jute rugs? Yeah yeah, real,
Speaker 1: real sturdy. You could fucking that's indoor, that's outdoor, do
Speaker 1: it all there. I hate them. I'm they're aesthetically I
Speaker 1: get if you're looking through magazines and stuff where they've
Speaker 1: got like, hey, here's here's a good looking living room.
Speaker 1: A lot of times they'll have a jute rug and
Speaker 1: it's basically a bunch of tied together old ropes, most
Speaker 1: uncomfortable rug in the world there, and you can't lie
Speaker 1: down on it. You can't even walking on it. It's precarious.
Speaker 1: Like I it's like walking around on wicker basically with
Speaker 1: bare feet. And I don't understand them. I don't like them.
Speaker 1: And I have one in my guest bedroom and I
Speaker 1: hate it. Wow, So that's an act of hostility towards
Speaker 1: your guest immediately by having a jew good luck get
Speaker 1: into the bedroom. Why do you sit over there on
Speaker 1: the jute rug? They're like, yeah, walk on that with
Speaker 1: bare feet tough guy when sore In is an alpha,
Speaker 1: so he always makes people sit on the floor when
Speaker 1: they come over to visit him. But you're a rug
Speaker 1: so bumpy, Oh your little butt can't handle it. They're
Speaker 1: also very messy. They like they shed when you when
Speaker 1: you lift them up underneath them. They they're just like
Speaker 1: it's just slivers of hair. I think they won't shaved
Speaker 1: to that morning or something. Only context like it works
Speaker 1: is outside because you're like, yeah, like it's it's basically
Speaker 1: a bunch of hay, so like it has like a
Speaker 1: square as if it were a rug, and you don't
Speaker 1: feel bad when like there's like dirt and leaves and
Speaker 1: ship on it because it already is dirt and leaves.
Speaker 1: That's when I'm like, Okay, you can't get mad at
Speaker 1: a jute rug outside of getting destroyed. But yeah, inside
Speaker 1: walking on one, it's very like like walking on a loofa.
Speaker 1: I also I wild add onto that any sort of
Speaker 1: pillows for couches that like look like they're wrapped in
Speaker 1: a burlap sack. People try and get like a lot
Speaker 1: of different textures going on in a room and and
Speaker 1: they want like, oh you can't have all the pillows
Speaker 1: be comfortable. That's insane. Like some of them have to
Speaker 1: feel like that, like ship. You have to feel like
Speaker 1: it's a penance to use them. I want to. I
Speaker 1: want to evoke like people trying to do penance for
Speaker 1: their sins in the Middle Ages by wearing burlap sack
Speaker 1: on my couch. I can't force my guest to wear
Speaker 1: a Hey shirt while we while we watch a movie.
Speaker 1: All right, well, then about this pillow instead, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: folly at your whole back. I feel like it's also
Speaker 1: part of the movement of people like serving drinks out
Speaker 1: of like those like jarring, like the Mason Mason Mason jars.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, like that just that idea of like
Speaker 1: we're just humble farm folks around here. It's like no
Speaker 1: classes exist. I don't know where to put my lips
Speaker 1: with these ridges. It's confusing. Yeah, yeah, I love a
Speaker 1: Mason jar. Yeah. It is also a good way to
Speaker 1: note your allegiance to the Mason's in a subtle way.
Speaker 1: The pyramid with the eye above it, above you, above
Speaker 1: your fireplace might not work. It used to be you
Speaker 1: had to just hide your hand in your shirt pocket
Speaker 1: like that in potos to let people know you're amazing
Speaker 1: and now you can just bring out the jars. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that was like a Mason gang sign
Speaker 1: until recently. It was put it put your just was
Speaker 1: like back in the day, like if they were a
Speaker 1: coat and it looked like they were reaching for something,
Speaker 1: like just out their hand half in there. That was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm with this ship, so I'm with I'm a Mason. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite jokes ever on Cracked. I think
Speaker 1: it was a photo caption written by Jason Pargeon was
Speaker 1: it was a painting of Napoleon doing that, and it
Speaker 1: was something to the effect of like Napoleon was doing
Speaker 1: that because he had to hold his dick, Like, what
Speaker 1: is something that you think is underrated? I don't do this.
Speaker 1: I was often anymore now that I have children, But
Speaker 1: going to the bathroom at a party, okay. I love
Speaker 1: stepping away from I guess I do, like so with
Speaker 1: a kids parties where like I can put somebody else
Speaker 1: in charge of my child and like I'm alone. I
Speaker 1: just like at a party, like a house party. When
Speaker 1: I would go to an adult you step away from everything.
Speaker 1: You get to be alone for a second, and you
Speaker 1: can kind of like check in. You've got your mirror.
Speaker 1: It's just you in the mirror, and like you can
Speaker 1: like see how drunk am I actually or like how
Speaker 1: am I actually feeling? And you've got and that time
Speaker 1: is yours. Like people have an expectation of how long
Speaker 1: it takes to go to the bathroom, and you that's
Speaker 1: all yours. Like that's just you have this cushion of
Speaker 1: time where like everyone's like, yeah, you's gotta go, you
Speaker 1: gotta go. Your hands were tied, like you have to
Speaker 1: be in there. Yeah, and it's just your time, no
Speaker 1: matter how gross the bathroom is, it's just me the best. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have so many of like my my memories of
Speaker 1: like my youth partying, so much of my memories, like
Speaker 1: when I would just think back are being in the
Speaker 1: bathroom looking at a wall wobbling and be like and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh no, this the countdown has begun to
Speaker 1: browning out. It is it's like a a beta test
Speaker 1: of going to a second location. You're walking into a
Speaker 1: new room. It's like new lighting, different music, and you're like,
Speaker 1: uh no, things are worse worse here. Yeah, how long?
Speaker 1: Because my my concern is always that I'm gonna stay
Speaker 1: in too long, enjoy enjoy the solitude too long. And
Speaker 1: then people are like, what the fund is he doing there? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just said that's your time. What are the limits
Speaker 1: that you would define, and that's yours. Don't go by
Speaker 1: societies or I feel like three minutes is that's like,
Speaker 1: that's so you've got I think you've got a big
Speaker 1: window between peeing and snooping through like medicine cabinets and
Speaker 1: stuff and then taking a show like so, no, as
Speaker 1: long as you're not drifting into the ship territory like
Speaker 1: you are, you have that time where it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: three minutes, it's just mine And I like to go
Speaker 1: in there just to confuse people and turn the shower on.
Speaker 1: Is he is taking a shower? Yeah, I'm taking a
Speaker 1: ship with the shower running, big difference. I like it
Speaker 1: to be. I like the steam to create a three
Speaker 1: D experience, so to speak. All right, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break, we'll be right back, and we're back. And
Speaker 1: there was a tragedy in Soul, Korea, a crowd crush.
Speaker 1: A hundred and fifty young people died, and in the
Speaker 1: aftermath of these I feel like you know, with the
Speaker 1: astro world one, it was I think that the bizarre
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories were extra quick and and they were like
Speaker 1: it had something to do with Satan and Satan worshiping.
Speaker 1: But usually the thing you hear is that it's a stampede,
Speaker 1: that people are like kind of trampled under a stampede,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a really kind of consistent misunderstanding or
Speaker 1: like misreporting of what actually happens, because it's it's almost
Speaker 1: always has to do with fluid dynamics and not anybody
Speaker 1: in the crowd doing something violent like there. So the
Speaker 1: New York Times article about this on Sunday, like that
Speaker 1: was in the print version, like they had a quote
Speaker 1: that was later a group of young men made a
Speaker 1: hard shove down the hill, chanting push push, And that
Speaker 1: was like kind of the it stands out because the
Speaker 1: only real description of anyone like doing anything other than
Speaker 1: all the other descriptions are people being like, we don't
Speaker 1: know what happened, We have no idea, like no, like
Speaker 1: nothing seemed off. And then like there there was a
Speaker 1: some people were claiming there must have been a gas
Speaker 1: leak or something. But first of all, it's like weird
Speaker 1: a group of young like, how did they source the
Speaker 1: fact that a group of young men like specifically in
Speaker 1: this massive like wave of people was doing anything in particular.
Speaker 1: But the truth is that generally these have more to
Speaker 1: do with fluid dynamics and like basically, when crowd density
Speaker 1: rises above four people per square meter and especially to
Speaker 1: six or more, people get pressed together so tightly that
Speaker 1: they begin to move together as one unit with waves
Speaker 1: of pressure and release and yeah, greying a crowd like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been in crowds that get like that. And it'll
Speaker 1: be like as a shows about to start at a
Speaker 1: concert or getting out and people are trying like a festival,
Speaker 1: you're trying to like just people trying to move very
Speaker 1: quickly from thing to thing. And it always is the
Speaker 1: thing where when you're in it, you'll be like damn,
Speaker 1: like you're shoulder to shoulder and like you're saying, you're
Speaker 1: almost like I'm moving because everything else is moving, not
Speaker 1: because I have the space to move or anything. It's
Speaker 1: like I'm being pushed from behind. And usually you'll hear
Speaker 1: people at one point go yo, stop pushing, stop pushing,
Speaker 1: Like you feel that there's always this thing where people
Speaker 1: feel that they're being pushed because of like you're saying
Speaker 1: this like it's like watching traffic of it, like the
Speaker 1: pressure building up and releasing like an accordion kind of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's definitely freaky when you're in a situation
Speaker 1: like that, but never like at the scale of you know,
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of people. Yeah. Yeah, there's this Business
Speaker 1: Insider article that they released after using the word stampede
Speaker 1: and early reports but they were like, yeah, no, we
Speaker 1: interviewed this person, Keith Still, a UK crowd science and
Speaker 1: risk ANALYSTICS, who said, I've not seen any instances of
Speaker 1: the cause of mass fatalities being a stampede. People don't
Speaker 1: die because they panic. They panic because they're dying. So
Speaker 1: you might hear people scream like push, push, because they're
Speaker 1: like trying not to be like suffocated by on the
Speaker 1: other side rout. But it's like the people in the back,
Speaker 1: who are, you know, maybe hundreds of feet away from
Speaker 1: anyone who's in real danger, might like just do a
Speaker 1: small shove to like keep their balance or something, and
Speaker 1: that builds up this like wave of people that can
Speaker 1: have a multiplying effect, and it really just like comes
Speaker 1: down to the people who are involved are in a
Speaker 1: no win situation when you get that many people into
Speaker 1: that small space and that there's nothing that they can do.
Speaker 1: But the the way we try to make sense of
Speaker 1: it because of like how you know, I've heard it
Speaker 1: explained as like America's individualistic, so we can't like make
Speaker 1: sense of anything that we can't blame on an individual person.
Speaker 1: You could also like I've heard people say it's the
Speaker 1: English language and the way that the English language is structured,
Speaker 1: like it makes it so that we there has to
Speaker 1: be someone doing an act there, Like we rarely just
Speaker 1: talk about something happening. It's almost always like someone doing
Speaker 1: the thing. But it's very misleading and it also lets
Speaker 1: the organizers off the hook, like the you know, when
Speaker 1: people try to sue over this, it's almost always thrown
Speaker 1: out because of this misconception that did you guys watch
Speaker 1: the Woodstock documentary? No I didn't. The yeah they and
Speaker 1: if they talk about it's like, yeah, it's called train wreck,
Speaker 1: and they talk about, uh, they interview somebody who's on stage,
Speaker 1: and like somebody people who are like perform at these
Speaker 1: things they see the that like fluidity of the crowd
Speaker 1: and they talk about how when crowds start to get
Speaker 1: like really rolled up, you'll just see like a group
Speaker 1: of people in the crowd, all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: whole group just moves to the right six ft like
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and they don't know how it happened
Speaker 1: or anything, but from the stage you can see it happened,
Speaker 1: where it's just like everybody all of a sudden is
Speaker 1: over and they'll kind of get picked up essentially and push.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I think people just get I don't know.
Speaker 1: I always picture it is like somebody getting stuck underneath
Speaker 1: and then getting trampled to death. But I guess that's
Speaker 1: not really it. I mean that that can happen too,
Speaker 1: But I think the real the real dangers when people
Speaker 1: get so compressed, you literally are just being squeezed out,
Speaker 1: like you're like you're just being compressed to the point
Speaker 1: you can't even breathe, and then you're just stock medieval
Speaker 1: war where like at in the middle of it, everybody
Speaker 1: is just that you can't even do anything right when
Speaker 1: you bring up the organizers to Jack because like the
Speaker 1: cops were saying, and so they were like they admitted
Speaker 1: that they were there, but they weren't there for crowd control,
Speaker 1: Like the hundred thirty some officers that were there were
Speaker 1: there just to look out for criminal activity. So they
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, I mean we actually had no we
Speaker 1: have there's no real guide book like according to the
Speaker 1: police force of like how to like what to do
Speaker 1: for crowd management, because the other thing they point to
Speaker 1: or this is like a their excuse was also it's like, well,
Speaker 1: there's also no clear organizer. But the fact is, you knew,
Speaker 1: like this event has been growing over the last few years,
Speaker 1: and this was like especially people were there because this
Speaker 1: is like the first time there weren't any COVID restrictions
Speaker 1: in place, so it was going to be turn up
Speaker 1: city like and they said that that so that metro station,
Speaker 1: a hundred thirty thousand people like passed through there that night.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people are like, you could do
Speaker 1: so many things like have the have the like station
Speaker 1: of the that metro station closed so people have to
Speaker 1: go to the next one and like walk through rather
Speaker 1: than just like letting like hundreds of like a hundred
Speaker 1: thousand people just bleed out into this one very small
Speaker 1: area and just be like yeah, let's star our hands up.
Speaker 1: I don't know, let's see what happens. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it needs to be viewed like there is a wave
Speaker 1: of water like a people have said like it's similar
Speaker 1: to a tsunami, and like that's really how they need
Speaker 1: to treat if Like, yeah, if they're are that many
Speaker 1: people going through a turnstile to an event in like
Speaker 1: a small location, like that needs to be how it's
Speaker 1: treated because yeah, like the the fluidity of it is
Speaker 1: is kind of mind boggling. But yeah, people talk about
Speaker 1: like having shoes sucked off their feet because of like
Speaker 1: just how much pressure and movement and yes, suddenly you're
Speaker 1: like thirty feet to your right and like you haven't
Speaker 1: done anything other than be like picked up off your feet.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it just needs to be a crowd control
Speaker 1: a like human engineering like issue and not treated as
Speaker 1: you know, something where the cops are just there to
Speaker 1: prevent pickpocketers and like that. They're just needed to be
Speaker 1: very clear rules in everybody's mind of like Okay, this
Speaker 1: looks like it's going to be more than two to
Speaker 1: four people like per square meter. Let's like we need
Speaker 1: to just stop people from coming here, yea like set
Speaker 1: up a blockhead or something. Yeah, I think about like
Speaker 1: early when I was a kid and I would go
Speaker 1: to punk shows or something, and I was like scared
Speaker 1: going in there. But then you'd be in the crowd
Speaker 1: and like everyone would be like pushing each other and
Speaker 1: you get knocked down and other people would just pick
Speaker 1: you up, and I was like, Oh, it's safe. Like
Speaker 1: everybody's that has this figured out like this somehow everyone
Speaker 1: who goes to these already knows how this all works
Speaker 1: and that it's just not true like the minute that
Speaker 1: you hit capacity, no one's in control anymore. Right, Yeah? Right.
Speaker 1: It was safe because there was space, you know, for
Speaker 1: there to be like a mosh pit, and then if
Speaker 1: you needed to get out, you could get out too,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't just like, uh, you know, just a
Speaker 1: compact space for people to go. Jack, have you ever
Speaker 1: been somewhere with your child in a situation like that.
Speaker 1: I was a thing yesterday, like to your point Miles
Speaker 1: about it being like, you know, post pandemic, there is
Speaker 1: a malloween what's that acknoledging? I'm sorry I called it, Sam,
Speaker 1: DEMI didn't you? Yeah, I was like speaking, you say,
Speaker 1: because things don't just happen people to them, to us,
Speaker 1: you check out my favorite tweet later. Sorry, yes, I
Speaker 1: And that's something that I need to be where you
Speaker 1: because we're not post pandemic. We are post a lot
Speaker 1: of the things that were helping us fight the pandemic
Speaker 1: and like post shutdowns. But we we went to a
Speaker 1: like fair in our neighborhood that was didn't happen for
Speaker 1: the last two years, and it was just absolutely like
Speaker 1: so jam packed in like all these people in a
Speaker 1: small setting, like everybody was miserable. Like we were walking
Speaker 1: up and like parents were like it's bad, They're like
Speaker 1: good luck, and I was like, uh, they're they're just
Speaker 1: being fun and it was scary. Like we we left
Speaker 1: after like five minutes because yeah, I think just a
Speaker 1: lot of people showing up at the same place and
Speaker 1: not a lot of like there's just not this idea
Speaker 1: that Okay, one person is in charge and if it
Speaker 1: hits this number, you're done, like you everybody has to
Speaker 1: like go home or like you just need to start
Speaker 1: turning people away. But we we went to when my
Speaker 1: son was young enough that he was in a stroller,
Speaker 1: we went to the women's march and we were like
Speaker 1: out in the street corner of this intersection basically where
Speaker 1: it just people stretched swell from each side and it
Speaker 1: just sort of like pushed into the middle and it
Speaker 1: became packed enough that people couldn't see the stroller download
Speaker 1: but everyone who's like looking for an empty space, all
Speaker 1: they see is like this empty space, like everybody's trying
Speaker 1: to move to that space, and then a stroller there,
Speaker 1: So it's just like denser and denser. And then at
Speaker 1: a certain point that we're all gonna march now. And
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a bad idea, like we should
Speaker 1: not even like let's just all go our separate ways,
Speaker 1: Like this is bad. And I it was a situation
Speaker 1: I was helpless in and I was like I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have brought him here, Like this is a stake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really scary. Yeah, it just sounds like we have
Speaker 1: to move past like the idea of like when there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people there, it's not like and then
Speaker 1: some joker is gonna trigger a stampede. It's that when
Speaker 1: there are so many people there, it has to be
Speaker 1: like like a second nature. They say, well, we have
Speaker 1: to figure out how to like alleviate pressure from certain
Speaker 1: points so we don't have a crush because we know
Speaker 1: this tiny district or wherever this place is going to be,
Speaker 1: that you figure out what to do for people's safety,
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, in the you know, I think in
Speaker 1: the cases of like astral World and Woodstock, it was
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff was clearly because of cost cutting,
Speaker 1: just being like we don't want to pay that much
Speaker 1: for security. And then this one seems like total just
Speaker 1: absolute lack of preparation from like the municipality to like
Speaker 1: understand what it means to have that many people in
Speaker 1: the space and then you know, having a tragedy like
Speaker 1: that right after. Yeah, and even going to the explanation
Speaker 1: of the gas attack is like the because that's one
Speaker 1: of the things we can conceive of as like an
Speaker 1: invisible killer. But like like like world, someone was injecting
Speaker 1: people and they were going down in the crowd. It's
Speaker 1: like no people were suffocating or going to cardiac arrest
Speaker 1: because of therush. Yeah, all right, let's talk Twitter. Ellen
Speaker 1: has taken over and apparently once users with blue check
Speaker 1: marks to pay around twenty dollars a month to keep
Speaker 1: their verification status lest they be cast aside to the
Speaker 1: faceless masses with US normies. The blue checks will allegedly
Speaker 1: have ninety days to subscribe, and the Twitter employees have
Speaker 1: until November seven to figure this out or they will
Speaker 1: be fired. According to Elon Musk, he seems like a
Speaker 1: cool boss, great leader, great leader, great leader, great genius, genius, genius. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I guess they have a thing called Twitter Blue, which
Speaker 1: is like an optional four ninete a month subscription that
Speaker 1: unlocks additional features, and they're just going to transition that
Speaker 1: into a more expensive subscription. I'm trying to think what
Speaker 1: you possibly would pay for. What is it? What does
Speaker 1: Twitter blue have delete or like I don't know if
Speaker 1: it has Yeah, I don't. I don't even know to
Speaker 1: the point where you're like I can't even write exactly
Speaker 1: like do I need to have Twitter Blue? I don't
Speaker 1: think so. But I think it's just a way to
Speaker 1: be like it's premium, and then if you're just addicted
Speaker 1: to that word, you're like, yeah, yeah, I got and
Speaker 1: I got the premium Twitter paramout at all. But I
Speaker 1: think I think the big thing too is just also
Speaker 1: saying it's like, oh right, this because I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people like this guy doesn't really want Twitter,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he was really trying
Speaker 1: to avoid it, and now it's like, okay, well now
Speaker 1: you gotta have this thing be a money making thing,
Speaker 1: and like first step is all right, fire everybody and
Speaker 1: then make blue checkmark twenty bucks a month. Yeah, does
Speaker 1: that save my money? You can turn a profit like that,
Speaker 1: And it's so Twitter verification was supposed to be about
Speaker 1: security and rooting out fraud. It was introduced in two
Speaker 1: thousand nine and it came after Tony Larusa sued the
Speaker 1: company after a Tony Larusa impersonator account made derogatory jokes
Speaker 1: about him, and I think they got that scared them.
Speaker 1: But so Swaring, you do have a blue check mark,
Speaker 1: and I did notice that, like around the time that
Speaker 1: you got the blue checkmark, your appearance totally changed and
Speaker 1: you just took over. I'd always assumed you just took
Speaker 1: over somebody else's account, and once they had the blue
Speaker 1: check mark, it was you were just a new sar
Speaker 1: and booie. Right. Yeah, I mean I felt like a
Speaker 1: new man as soon as I got it. It's like
Speaker 1: it my world changed and things opened up for me.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a peek in the back door here, Jack,
Speaker 1: because I mean obviously then they didn't approve your check mark. Uh,
Speaker 1: it didn't approve much because I have been since you
Speaker 1: got your You've applied so many times. So it's the
Speaker 1: things that are different are especially if you're a writer,
Speaker 1: is that other writers like immediately will respond to you,
Speaker 1: like other blue check other people who are they It's
Speaker 1: like this legitimacy that you have where they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: like if you if you write something to somebody, your
Speaker 1: reply then they're like, okay, I'll play this game, whereas
Speaker 1: before like you just ignore everybody. And that was nice,
Speaker 1: but then it also it made it so that I
Speaker 1: couldn't fight with anybody, Like it's really dangerous to be
Speaker 1: like really get into it with somebody, because you're never
Speaker 1: the good guy in that situation. In any circumstance, it's
Speaker 1: like if you don't agree with somebody, or you're like
Speaker 1: you're going at it with somebody, eventually inevitably somebody you no,
Speaker 1: We'll jump and be like, hey man, that that person's
Speaker 1: got a hundred and fifty followers out verified, Like why
Speaker 1: did you do a deep dive into their YouTube channel
Speaker 1: that you found of their just totally tore it apart, dude,
Speaker 1: we get, but that is why I'm able to just
Speaker 1: talk about you flagrantly and you won't say anything back
Speaker 1: to me. I will never say a thing because I
Speaker 1: have to pretend I don't know who you are. I
Speaker 1: don't remember you because and you won't admit to knowing
Speaker 1: me anywhere except this podcast, which is give me a
Speaker 1: little unnerving. It would be a little frustrating, and it
Speaker 1: does drive my mania to get my blue check mark approved.
Speaker 1: But I do like that even like for you start,
Speaker 1: it does feed the idea of like, well, I'm a
Speaker 1: blue check and how does that look as I a
Speaker 1: blue check kicking dirt on the downtroden check. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: sounds like you've been there before. Co star Bellies speech man.
Speaker 1: Uh I. We'll find though that there are people who
Speaker 1: like Dan O'Brien is a good friend of mine, dance
Speaker 1: tweets at me. I never see it, like for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: they're like twitters like this is the riff raff, Like
Speaker 1: he these people who are not like they just hide
Speaker 1: some ship that you don't blue check mark. He insists on. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, he's like, I'm starting to think it's our
Speaker 1: last name. This is this is bullshit? Wow? Interesting? Interesting? Famous? Yeah,
Speaker 1: most uh, like mccallahan, anything that's like slightly irish, they're like,
Speaker 1: don't do it, don't do it. Oh that's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean so obviously, like the security measure part of
Speaker 1: it melted away, like the Tony Luisa thing, like he
Speaker 1: had to throw his case out because the account that
Speaker 1: he was like they're trying to steal my identity was
Speaker 1: like named Tony Larusa. Like what's it called I'm having
Speaker 1: like parody? Yeah, it was called Tony Luisa parody account
Speaker 1: or like it said that on the bio. So it
Speaker 1: was just an understanding Internet basically, but yeah, became stad
Speaker 1: it became a thing where the blue checks wouldn't even
Speaker 1: respond to us. And also it's like Chester Cheetah has
Speaker 1: a blue check mark, right, so like I I'm not
Speaker 1: sure who was trying to steal Chester Cheetah's account, or
Speaker 1: maybe they were. I don't know that that actually makes
Speaker 1: more sense. I mean when you look at that though, too,
Speaker 1: like because you're always like, wait, so how come like
Speaker 1: these Peabody winning journalists have blue checks and then a
Speaker 1: hot potato chip also has one, And then you're like
Speaker 1: all right, you can like you basically can buy your
Speaker 1: way there too. Yeah, there's also these have already been
Speaker 1: for sale. Twitter themselves of unofficially sold verified accounts to
Speaker 1: non celebrities if they just spend fifteen thousand dollars over
Speaker 1: three months on advertising on Twitter, which I think is
Speaker 1: a smaller amount of people than even think since Twitter
Speaker 1: ads are bad. Yeah, but yeah, like you're basically giving
Speaker 1: them fifteen grand for enough, right, Well, I you don't
Speaker 1: behave like in a hostile manner towards ads you see
Speaker 1: on Twitter, I'm like, get the full Like whenever I
Speaker 1: see him, I'm like, dude, I wouldn't even pretend to
Speaker 1: look at that ship. But also, wow, this is really
Speaker 1: what Alex Mack, that player person played Alex Mac looks like.
Speaker 1: Now I'll always hit those three buttons, those little three
Speaker 1: dots at the top and be like hide. Why. I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just don't like ads. Get it out
Speaker 1: of here. Why why? Yeah. They also got in trouble
Speaker 1: when they verified one of the Charlottesville Nazis, so that's
Speaker 1: but they just like don't have It's the same social
Speaker 1: media problem where they're too vast to police and the
Speaker 1: it just becomes a free for all, and like there's
Speaker 1: no way for them to do a consistent policy without
Speaker 1: like hiring so many people that the site then becomes
Speaker 1: not profitable. So it's just I'm fine with them taking
Speaker 1: away the blue checks from everybody, making it like egalitarian
Speaker 1: because nobody and what that's essentially what they're doing because
Speaker 1: nobody's gonna buy a twenty dollars people are saying. And
Speaker 1: if they do buy a twenty dollar a month, check
Speaker 1: mark like that fun that person, because then you're gonna
Speaker 1: looks like a sign that you're the worst because before
Speaker 1: you could you could have a blue check be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like they said, they offered it to me,
Speaker 1: you know, like back in the day they're like yeah,
Speaker 1: like they are, like my manager figured it out. But
Speaker 1: now like when you have it, you're like, oh, so
Speaker 1: you're paying twenty bucks for that. Yeah, desperation is just
Speaker 1: breaking from it. And so and people know too, are
Speaker 1: smart enough on Twitter to know that if you look
Speaker 1: at somebody's account, you look at how many followers they
Speaker 1: have versus how many they follow and that's like a
Speaker 1: good indication of whether this person is the right person,
Speaker 1: like the person you're looking for. If there is any
Speaker 1: ever question about whether this is like a parody account. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just look at like, Okay, how many people are
Speaker 1: they falling? How people are following? Right? I see that
Speaker 1: that last number is higher than the first number. That's
Speaker 1: a good sign. I think the funked up part about
Speaker 1: all of this is that, like so many people are
Speaker 1: not critical enough in their analysis that looking at anything
Speaker 1: on the Internet that they're just gonna assume blue check
Speaker 1: equals truth, and there's gonna be a ton of bullshit
Speaker 1: out there from these blue checks that most of the
Speaker 1: time he'd be like, what the how the fund did
Speaker 1: this person get verified from that ep epic Times or whatever?
Speaker 1: Like what Yeah, Like it's gonna be all like just
Speaker 1: just a ton of like misinformation fast. I mean that's why,
Speaker 1: like everyone's just looking at this now and be like wow, okay,
Speaker 1: like the use of racal slurs has exploded exponentially, and
Speaker 1: he's spreading like fucking like a least fucked up homophobic
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories and then deleting him. He's like, is it
Speaker 1: possible the blue check story is meant to detract from that,
Speaker 1: which is like a much bigger story, which is that yeah,
Speaker 1: Twitter is way worse that he's also doing some really
Speaker 1: terrible He's tweeting some really terrible things about like Nancy
Speaker 1: Pelosi and ship like that. On the right, I think
Speaker 1: you just you know that everyone's gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: blue check thing because the blue checks are going to
Speaker 1: influence everybody else on Twitter, and that's all they want
Speaker 1: to talk about, right But the one thing, I feel
Speaker 1: like all of the most news outlets have been pretty
Speaker 1: consistent with some version of like damn Elon's first week
Speaker 1: so fucking real funk up, or some version of that,
Speaker 1: maybe not so aggressive, but pointing out it's like he's
Speaker 1: like fired everyone as it stands right now, is like
Speaker 1: just to announce that he fired the entire board and
Speaker 1: now it's just him right now as he figures out
Speaker 1: what to do with it. So I think most things
Speaker 1: are pointing to like he's not sure what to do
Speaker 1: with it, and he's making things so much fucking worse
Speaker 1: right now. But what I hey, Jack Dorsey's working on
Speaker 1: his own ship now, blue Sky, whatever the funk it's called.
Speaker 1: So this guy, whatever, I'm canceling my application for the
Speaker 1: blue check thing. Let me just because you guys made
Speaker 1: some good points, it'll be it'll just be like Facebook.
Speaker 1: I think like Facebook was a place where everybody left
Speaker 1: and the people who didn't leave thought that everyone and like,
Speaker 1: everyone's still there. Everyone just agrees with me all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, and then that became this weird chamber and
Speaker 1: you know, and what's gonna happen is there's gonna be
Speaker 1: like millennial grandpas. They're like, dude, my fucking dad's still
Speaker 1: on Twitter. And no, they're like, what in the in
Speaker 1: the year, Yes, dude gets all those fucking news on there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's gonna be mute. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm gonna give up these numbers. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're just hating the son because you ain't got these followers.
Speaker 1: It's the oldest social network I still use. And it's
Speaker 1: like it's I'm gonna do. I'm gonna keep doing jokes man,
Speaker 1: that's all it's gonna be forever. Alright, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break, we'll come back, we'll talk pheromones, and we're back,
Speaker 1: and from one social media network that you can no
Speaker 1: longer trust to one that I think is pretty much
Speaker 1: in at this point, embraced TikTok so right now, TikTok
Speaker 1: in addition to things where they're like if you see
Speaker 1: a bag under your car, that means you've been targeted
Speaker 1: for trafficking. TikTok is full of users praying the benefit
Speaker 1: praising the benefits of fragrances laced with pheromones. As of
Speaker 1: this month, the hashtag pheromone perfume has more than fifty
Speaker 1: four million views and the claims like they basically claim
Speaker 1: like pheromones really work. There's one person who claims that
Speaker 1: like their husbands tricked them with pheromoneh sh like that's
Speaker 1: the only way, that's the only reason they're married, because
Speaker 1: he was wearing Please Her. I think I think it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be pleasure, a play on that it's p
Speaker 1: L E A S and then all caps H E
Speaker 1: R cologne while they were dating. But it's just a
Speaker 1: terrible addic oil ship. But this has been a thing
Speaker 1: people have, like I thought was real for a long time.
Speaker 1: But this is this is what the joke sex panther
Speaker 1: cologne from Anchorman is based off. You know, I mean,
Speaker 1: the same dated ass thinking it's like, no, man, there's
Speaker 1: something in this shift I spray on me that allows
Speaker 1: a woman to lower their standards rapidly suddenly like no.
Speaker 1: But again, I think it's like our idea that of
Speaker 1: like you hear some science adjacent thing and you're like,
Speaker 1: there it is. That's what it was. We're all just robots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we rewrote about on Cracked at
Speaker 1: one point about people in relationships where a woman when
Speaker 1: she met her husband was on the pill already she
Speaker 1: had been taking for a long time, and then when
Speaker 1: she got off of it, she was like, I don't
Speaker 1: like the smell of my husband anymore. Where that kind
Speaker 1: of thing happens where suddenly whatever you whatever odor as
Speaker 1: a person you were giving off was at one point
Speaker 1: pleasing to somebody, and then their chemistry changes and you're
Speaker 1: like no, no more. Done. Yeah, there's a lot of these,
Speaker 1: like human behavior studies that suggest pheromones are a real thing.
Speaker 1: That there's like the one where they smell the underarms
Speaker 1: of like T shirts worn by and then yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like a blind test and then they like meet the
Speaker 1: people and the or they see a picture of the
Speaker 1: people and the people they picked when they were just smelling,
Speaker 1: and the people they picked based on photographs like matched
Speaker 1: up in some weird I don't know, like that those
Speaker 1: soft sciences studies, Like I, I've become increasingly skeptical of
Speaker 1: of them. I think I edited that article you're talking
Speaker 1: about SARN and I I don't think I would be
Speaker 1: as on board with some of the claims in that
Speaker 1: article as as I was at the time, just because
Speaker 1: it seems like there's you can really like fudge a
Speaker 1: lot of it. But the main argument against pheromones is
Speaker 1: not that like there's no way that pheromones exist in
Speaker 1: human population. There's definitely like something going on with smell
Speaker 1: and like our reaction to smell. Why in like contextual things,
Speaker 1: it's like one of the best senses at triggering memories
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But this is to say that
Speaker 1: nobody has isolated either how pheromones work or like what
Speaker 1: the pheromone is that works every time on everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't synthesize something like that, like this is the
Speaker 1: one that it's the golden key, This is like this
Speaker 1: is the one for everyone. Yeah right, this is the
Speaker 1: msg of of sense. Yeah, exactly that. But that's what
Speaker 1: people you know, that's the profitable thing. So that's the
Speaker 1: version it's going to get spun out. But company called
Speaker 1: Rocks wanted to patent the chemicals two words, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna try to pronounce and use it in perfumean cologne,
Speaker 1: and a study was published by two University of Utah
Speaker 1: psychiatrists about the chemicals. They were on the board of
Speaker 1: the company trying to make money off of this. It
Speaker 1: turns out love that love the disingenuous medical study too.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm invested in that thing. I just took
Speaker 1: never mind, never mind, never mind. So disheartening to like
Speaker 1: know how often that happens, to just know, like if
Speaker 1: you dig into any study, you're like, well, who paid
Speaker 1: for the study? Because they don't just have money? Oh cool,
Speaker 1: it's the people who wanted to be one very specific outcome,
Speaker 1: and it was that like the autism vaccine one where
Speaker 1: the guy basically was developing his own vaccine and was
Speaker 1: just trying to throw dirt on the other one and
Speaker 1: be like and that's why you want mine, and it's
Speaker 1: like if you fuck you, just okay. Yeah, there's just
Speaker 1: no evidence, no scientific evidence that wasn't produced by people
Speaker 1: trying to make money that there's no evidence that pheromones
Speaker 1: are secreted by all men and women. Yeah, which would
Speaker 1: be the first requirement for a true pheomone. I guess
Speaker 1: are getting choked up talking about that. I will. So
Speaker 1: there was a while ago where I got really into
Speaker 1: vitamins where was like, im fu, I'm the healthiest person
Speaker 1: in the planet. I'm invincible. I'm taking everything right. And
Speaker 1: I started taking fish oil and my wife at one
Speaker 1: point was like it just smelled different. And I was like,
Speaker 1: do I smell like fish and She's like, no, it's
Speaker 1: just different. Like there was something. I was like, it
Speaker 1: was changing something in my chemistry to in the wrong direction,
Speaker 1: where she was like, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I just don't like it. You smell different and stop it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was like please don't, yeah, please, maybe stopped taking
Speaker 1: it and it bounced back and came shining through. When
Speaker 1: I stopped taking something was like somehow creeping into my
Speaker 1: pores from it and it was grossing her out and
Speaker 1: I couldn't smell it, but she could so much to
Speaker 1: like TikTok videos just feel like that first like semester
Speaker 1: break of your freshman New York college kids come back
Speaker 1: from college and like, dude, you know what I fucking
Speaker 1: learned in my sociology class and you're like fuck, you know,
Speaker 1: like so many videos Like here's a half fact that
Speaker 1: I'm going to just say really confidently, like pheromones ever
Speaker 1: fucking heard of them? And you're like, Jesus, okay, what
Speaker 1: do you hear because we've been saying this for years
Speaker 1: and like there's so many things like that, like so
Speaker 1: much content like that or whether it's like and this
Speaker 1: is how you self diagnose for this entire list of
Speaker 1: like mental like the mental illnesses and things like that.
Speaker 1: You're like, this is not how to do any of this,
Speaker 1: but yeah that let's always has big freshman year college
Speaker 1: energy from these like big, yeah, you learned just enough
Speaker 1: to be dangerous? Yeah, world, Yeah yeah. You go on
Speaker 1: a date and you're like trying to explain like why
Speaker 1: you know, it's how hard it is for women these days,
Speaker 1: type like I get it, man, we live in a patriarchy. Patriarchy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all smeared. We live in a pata what ship
Speaker 1: Just I'm sweating through the date? Uh a base my turkey,
Speaker 1: Let me get my backpack. My notes are there, by
Speaker 1: the way. The pleasure here pheromone cocktail is made of
Speaker 1: the same chemicals as those Utah researchers did their research
Speaker 1: on so great, so they're back for another bite of
Speaker 1: that apple. Yeah, it's just it's exactly what you said
Speaker 1: college ship from the nineties, right right right, It's it's
Speaker 1: all very It feels like a cousin of aphrodisiacs too,
Speaker 1: where like people every once in a while you get
Speaker 1: the researchers for all the people like no man oysters
Speaker 1: make everyone want to fuck like yeah, yeah, oh they
Speaker 1: do that texture. It's like, wait, it's the texture. There's
Speaker 1: something in it that you're saying is an aphrodis there
Speaker 1: I who could say, no, it is usually your cousin.
Speaker 1: You mentioned cousin. It is usually your cousin making those claims. Yeah, Becca,
Speaker 1: and the Chad was saying, it does feel very similar
Speaker 1: to when TikTok was talking about vabbing, which was about
Speaker 1: dabbing like vaginal secretions on your pulse, like to be
Speaker 1: like just to set off my natural Yes, anyway, I
Speaker 1: don't listen to TikTok ever. Wow, wait a second, I
Speaker 1: gotta get on this now. That's horrifying. Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: what's also interesting right too, is like they're they're all
Speaker 1: these like really short fixes to the like the problem
Speaker 1: that a lot of our like information age is exacerbating,
Speaker 1: which is our lack of human connection. So like now
Speaker 1: we're going like all in on weird ship, Like hey,
Speaker 1: just you just just start vabbing. You just gotta get
Speaker 1: this pheromone stuff and then you can start like connecting
Speaker 1: to people again. It's like, I don't know, maybe like this,
Speaker 1: maybe we need to talk about how isolated we're starting
Speaker 1: to become, how lonely we're starting to become. Because all
Speaker 1: we're talking about like the most hair brained schemes on
Speaker 1: how to just like connect with other connect to our humanity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a life hack approach to other humans where
Speaker 1: it's just merely dab this on your like pick up
Speaker 1: artistry too, and it's like, broe, this is not the
Speaker 1: It's okay, yeah, sure do that. See what See where
Speaker 1: that road leads you? Watch my speed run of human
Speaker 1: Interactions where I go through and have a positive interaction
Speaker 1: with nine people. Oh man, I met a woman who
Speaker 1: this is horrifying. So I met a woman at a
Speaker 1: work event and she was she like let me into
Speaker 1: her system when she goes to network, when she goes
Speaker 1: around talks to people who are also in the industry.
Speaker 1: Letsto your system. She has a system. She goes around
Speaker 1: so and when she's at parties, uh pretty where she
Speaker 1: feels like a network. She uh gives a credit or
Speaker 1: or takes a credit. And that means that like she's
Speaker 1: either getting something from somebody, but she she's talking to
Speaker 1: them like they're giving her something. It's information that she's
Speaker 1: interested in, or it's like they have a job that
Speaker 1: she's interested in, like that that relationship is going to
Speaker 1: help her build towards whatever job. Yeah, and then she
Speaker 1: also or if she's in an interaction like that, she's
Speaker 1: also offering something that she's giving something. And it's such
Speaker 1: a weird way of looking at human communication and just
Speaker 1: being at a party and talking to people. She's networking.
Speaker 1: We are networking. And she's describing it as like this
Speaker 1: great breakthrough that she had where she's like, this is
Speaker 1: what I do, like this, I give and I get,
Speaker 1: I take a credit, give a credit. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I I don't think we should keep talking? All right?
Speaker 1: What do you give me? What do you give me? What?
Speaker 1: This is a great event, isn't it? No? Me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean I think it is probably for people who
Speaker 1: are like understand like they read thing like networking is
Speaker 1: so important, you know, and like when the people who
Speaker 1: just do it naturally just I think naturally just curious
Speaker 1: people and they're naturally just going to ask people and
Speaker 1: just have conversations. And yeah, I think for some people,
Speaker 1: it's like I really need a very structured way to
Speaker 1: sort of understand how to do this because I think
Speaker 1: some people just aren't. That reminds me like when I
Speaker 1: when I had to sell cars. It's terrible it's selling
Speaker 1: cars because I don't have it in me to like
Speaker 1: convinced somebody to like do some ship that I want
Speaker 1: them to do. Like in that sense, we're like, yo,
Speaker 1: you really want this ram man with the new Hemion
Speaker 1: dude and Commins Turbo diesel. You fucking love this dude,
Speaker 1: you got a boat. Like I'm just not not like
Speaker 1: a natural salesperson like that to the point where like
Speaker 1: I was like this sales people like just try and
Speaker 1: hit these like fucking benchmarks, man, like when you're you're
Speaker 1: walking through it, I mean a professional setting. I feel
Speaker 1: like I'll allow it more because that is like a
Speaker 1: little bit more transactional. What if it if it's like
Speaker 1: just like meeting people and like how you're interacting with
Speaker 1: people that yeah, yeah, a little dark, I can see that.
Speaker 1: But I mean I've been to events where there's networking
Speaker 1: happening and everyone sort of agreed that, like, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be weird and awkward, but it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be that weird. Everyone is rough. So what do you do? Immediately,
Speaker 1: even for you asking name right, No, what do you do?
Speaker 1: I asked? First? You're like, can we talk about something else?
Speaker 1: And they're like no, what then what do you do? Right?
Speaker 1: By the way, the movie Black Widow, one of the
Speaker 1: villains like couldn't be killed by Scarlett Joe Hanson because
Speaker 1: he had a pheromone lock on her meaning that when
Speaker 1: he's in smelling rain, she can't pull the trigger. So, yes,
Speaker 1: it seems like it'd be easy to get around shield
Speaker 1: it is. It is, I think a scientific mystery because
Speaker 1: we have like the parts of our body that would
Speaker 1: be used for pheromone reception. We've just never found evidence
Speaker 1: that humans use them or like secrete them, and so
Speaker 1: it it is a scientific mystery. And the way we
Speaker 1: deal with scientific mysteries is by being like, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll use it as a villain thing to like the internet.
Speaker 1: The Internet is ultron Yeah, pheromones. Pheromones are used to
Speaker 1: as a body shield essentially as always truly a pleasure
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Speaker 1: I'm really impressed that that you've kept your wig on
Speaker 1: this entire not a wig, not a fucking wig. And
Speaker 1: is there a tweet or some of the work of
Speaker 1: social media you've been enjoying? Yeah, so this is it
Speaker 1: turns out it's a little older than I had thought.
Speaker 1: But it's Uh, you guys knew who Aerial Dumas is.
Speaker 1: She recently went through and started like collecting all these
Speaker 1: tweets that she thought were great. Yeah, and do you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Colin Crawford, he used to write for the onion and
Speaker 1: he's worked on modoc. He's kind one that she really
Speaker 1: made me laugh out loud that says me and my
Speaker 1: friends would have LDT with hammers. I can tell you
Speaker 1: that much. Yeah, I had that one too. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: we When I look at what I was like at
Speaker 1: that age, I was. I was no Elliott. I can
Speaker 1: tell you that much. I would not have been standing
Speaker 1: up to my older relatives being like stop, be nice
Speaker 1: to everything. Virtue was not my my chief characteristic when
Speaker 1: I was Yeah, I had to build the miles. Where
Speaker 1: can people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying?
Speaker 1: I find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 1: Also on the basketball podcast Miles and Jack got Mad
Speaker 1: boost these new episode coming out Thursday. And then also
Speaker 1: Sophia Alexander and I talked ninety day Fiance on the
Speaker 1: other show four twenty Day Fiance. Uh. Some tweets that
Speaker 1: I like. First one is from Zach Fox at Zach
Speaker 1: Fox tweeted nobody's gonna pay to be verified, but I
Speaker 1: would definitely pay to have a dual feature where petty
Speaker 1: arguments get solved in a public roast, where we can
Speaker 1: vote on who won and loser gets a ship deleted permanently.
Speaker 1: I like that. Uh. And then another one Sydney Battle.
Speaker 1: At Sydney Battle tweet at the Animal sanc check and
Speaker 1: the Animal Sanctuary account I followed. Just made a post
Speaker 1: about how one of the elephants had a quote I
Speaker 1: didn't know I was pregnant type delivery that was so
Speaker 1: shocking that when the baby just dropped out onto the ground,
Speaker 1: the other elephants ran away screaming, I can already see it.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Hopefully someone got that on video for the
Speaker 1: sake of the Internet. Let's see. You can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien's tweets. I've been enjoying.
Speaker 1: Mike Scolland's tweeted, if Freddy Krueger can really enter dreams,
Speaker 1: he must be very sick of watching me. Dunk And
Speaker 1: and Henrik Blick tweeted I don't usually brag on here,
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