Speaker 1: I've got for St Jackson and I'm Charlie Webster. And
Speaker 1: then this is surviving Old Chapel. It's once you brought
Speaker 1: down a drug The twins big business became the envy
Speaker 1: of many. Even Guadaloupe, affectionately referred to as TiO. Uncle Loupe,
Speaker 1: wanted to take everything they had. Loupe was causing issues.
Speaker 1: He was forcing the brothers to take shipments that were
Speaker 1: compromised and putting the business at risk. Pete headed out
Speaker 1: to see Loope to try and smooth things over, but
Speaker 1: the brother's flashy lifestyle drew the attention and more than
Speaker 1: just other drug dealers probably on me. What this troubled
Speaker 1: broom and it's all happening on Blue Bays House just
Speaker 1: like that, they can't. They start to beat me with
Speaker 1: the right like he hits in the stomach, he hits
Speaker 1: in the face, you know, like I'm like, damn like
Speaker 1: and then remember like this is in Mexico, like he's
Speaker 1: a complaining again. He slapped around by there she got
Speaker 1: police and now these people are beating the crap. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, he's like shoving the back of the back
Speaker 1: room into the back of my neck and head like,
Speaker 1: don't fucking move. He's something you're going back to the
Speaker 1: United States. And he's telling me in Spanish because even
Speaker 1: what the ways to stableshed me here struggling from everybody,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's pointing something over. I mean he's
Speaker 1: putting the hand or something. He's like beating me and
Speaker 1: he's kicking me. You know, he kicks my shorts off,
Speaker 1: like my side, my shoes, and but he takes my
Speaker 1: shirts on in my underwear. And then they picked me
Speaker 1: up like I mean, they're roughing me up like the
Speaker 1: whole time, like you know, I'm not feeling it really
Speaker 1: at that time. I'm just I realized I lose my
Speaker 1: two I could feel like blooding them, chaining, you know,
Speaker 1: feel awareness, and I feel my gun, but you know,
Speaker 1: like that's too Here we go like it's the cops.
Speaker 1: The cops again with these stupid winning pats. Put it
Speaker 1: over my head like this is an all over mag
Speaker 1: it and he takes on my head. I can take
Speaker 1: you on my face? Did it break back? M Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like here we go again. Yeah, like, here we
Speaker 1: go again. But they said when they put me up,
Speaker 1: they put me up, pick up, they put me in
Speaker 1: the truck. I could fill them because they lead me
Speaker 1: on like I'm the floor of it. And I could
Speaker 1: see them like they're putting their feet in my back,
Speaker 1: and I could feel the rifle that they don't bloom. Man.
Speaker 1: The vulnerability of being in the situation the worst of
Speaker 1: the worst badasses in Mexico. It's happened to like when
Speaker 1: they want someone, you got ten guys with guns. They'll
Speaker 1: bring for you. They're gonna shoot out, but they're gonna
Speaker 1: take you even if they lose a bunch of people.
Speaker 1: They don't care. They drive me away in this pick up.
Speaker 1: Feel them driving on the road. It's a big operations.
Speaker 1: That's just like one truck to get off the main
Speaker 1: road again, the little bumpy ride up some hills and down.
Speaker 1: When finally stopped. Sure they pull me out. I'm still
Speaker 1: my under way like set me down up on the rock,
Speaker 1: and I remember being the handcuffed behind my back. I
Speaker 1: could hear them taking my table and touching the pickup
Speaker 1: like no after him, like pulling stuff off. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: made me are taking up police steak house. That's what
Speaker 1: I really help. I don't think you want me get
Speaker 1: out of this one, you know, because people don't come back.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the cops some times you and the okay.
Speaker 1: Remember that kind of made me know that for sure,
Speaker 1: was that I've seen an a K four to seven.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like cops on us, like like they
Speaker 1: put my short back and it was just quiet. I
Speaker 1: gonna hear radios out, hear radios going off and they're talking. Now.
Speaker 1: I was just laying there. I remember getting tired of
Speaker 1: laying down the rock and kind of I was sitting
Speaker 1: on the rock and laying up like trying to stretch
Speaker 1: my back. I remember guy coming in, you know, hit
Speaker 1: me with the rifle. Hey, I'm want to ask you something.
Speaker 1: You chop on my own. Chop Out and Mayo are
Speaker 1: two of the bosses of the Sinaloa Cartel, also known
Speaker 1: as the Federation with Eyes and Ears all over Mexico.
Speaker 1: The exact number of people working for them is deliberately secret,
Speaker 1: but it's thought to be in the hundreds of thousands.
Speaker 1: Tens of thousands more are on the take in one
Speaker 1: way or another, including most of Mexico's law enforcements. At
Speaker 1: this point, they had operations in more than fifty countries,
Speaker 1: controlled most of the drug operations in the US and
Speaker 1: made up to forty billion dollars every year. El Chapo
Speaker 1: is the most famous name, the one we've all heard of.
Speaker 1: He's the guy who had primary control over cartel operations.
Speaker 1: But he's not the only man who rans. In A
Speaker 1: lower equal to Chapo was our Toro beltrans Labor and
Speaker 1: Ishmael's and Barter Garcia also known as Mayo. Al Toro
Speaker 1: and Mayo ran different arms the cartel, but we're equally
Speaker 1: as dominant as Chapo. The wider families of those three
Speaker 1: main players were often used as lieutenants who helped to
Speaker 1: run operations and control the money. You chap on my
Speaker 1: own and I was like, I never heard of him.
Speaker 1: I'm just sure. I'm like, I'm sure, Like do you
Speaker 1: see your big drug belion, Like I'm just a student,
Speaker 1: you know, he's talking to me in Spanish. A couple
Speaker 1: hours later you get started. It must be like two
Speaker 1: dream morning. I'm having the worst cold. The martins are cold,
Speaker 1: and then I'm freezing, like yeah on the open on
Speaker 1: the rap on floor and like, oh you stand by scorpion,
Speaker 1: good by a snake or both were my looking at
Speaker 1: that time, right, I'm crazy shutting from the cold of
Speaker 1: knowing I'm sure we're in Then they found four or
Speaker 1: five in the morning, guessing they come back and they
Speaker 1: picked me up. They put me back in the truck
Speaker 1: and they drive me back, and they drive me to
Speaker 1: all to little place and they walked me out like
Speaker 1: a kind of you'll see under my eyes a little
Speaker 1: bit that they have flashlight and they're walking me slowly
Speaker 1: again but this and they walked me to a small
Speaker 1: room like a son and there's no windows in there.
Speaker 1: They have a bed in there. I was just happy
Speaker 1: that I'm still alive. So I'm thinking they're gonna extra
Speaker 1: ransom or something. Put me to this shroom, there's a bed.
Speaker 1: Time I feet up, you know, put the handcuffs in
Speaker 1: front of me, you know, he lay me down. That
Speaker 1: was the first night. They slept at my feet in
Speaker 1: the room. They'll close the doors in the states on
Speaker 1: the floor and there there's like five of them. I
Speaker 1: would sleep more in the day because I was hopeful
Speaker 1: that just when I'm like in the day, that I
Speaker 1: would get out, you know, that something was going on
Speaker 1: then my brother was gonna come true for me, and
Speaker 1: that I would be go home because they hadn't killed him.
Speaker 1: You know, and ant night it's for the heavy stress
Speaker 1: with him me, you know, if I'm laying the pitch black,
Speaker 1: and they will continue to sleep either bright in salmon
Speaker 1: in the room by me or right outside him. And
Speaker 1: I could hear him kicking. I could hear the radios
Speaker 1: going off and they're talking to people. The day was hot,
Speaker 1: like I'm in the day am. I'm sweating and it's
Speaker 1: hardened and I'm just trying to get buying help produce water.
Speaker 1: And I remember they brought me like they threw a
Speaker 1: bunch of rolls of toilet paper. A first, they would
Speaker 1: fee they weren't talking about nothing. They wouldn't say much.
Speaker 1: The only thing they would say was what's the while.
Speaker 1: He'll come to heil tacked the gun and he'll be like,
Speaker 1: let me talk to you. I take out my ask again.
Speaker 1: Do you know what chap? I don't know who you're
Speaker 1: talking on this. This is what I listen to. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying that that's not gonna change. Um from Chicago,
Speaker 1: I am not from here. Everything you tell me, I
Speaker 1: don't know nothing that you're telling. I't just hearing vacation.
Speaker 1: What are you saying that English? I'm a vacation. I
Speaker 1: said to myself, we stick the next door. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna give more reason and kill me. You know. I
Speaker 1: remember my arms when I was falling asleep I wake up,
Speaker 1: my hands would be so sullenly numb because the handcuffs
Speaker 1: were cut out my circulation. So I had to put
Speaker 1: the toll favorite under my elbows to kind of like
Speaker 1: breast my elbows to the nest side. I remember using
Speaker 1: the bathroom like they would walk weak. I could see
Speaker 1: the floral and there are the planters in the ground
Speaker 1: and kind of deep planters, and you literally like walk
Speaker 1: me three steps outside the door and I go ahead.
Speaker 1: You get pissed right there. And I remember like having
Speaker 1: to go up bathroom and he fought bucket. That was
Speaker 1: the always time I had to go back because I
Speaker 1: didn't eat. They weren't offered me food at all. And
Speaker 1: then just give me some water. And I remember getting
Speaker 1: empty the pee and could barely stand half a week,
Speaker 1: all night turning up feel like I'm sweating. I could
Speaker 1: smell myself and I would take though the high comes
Speaker 1: off here and there, and I could look around in
Speaker 1: the room. See that was painting like a green color
Speaker 1: old wood furniture. I could see the tile out the
Speaker 1: title went from the room to outside to that like
Speaker 1: Pantiguerra where the planters were, and I could hear the radios,
Speaker 1: and I could hear there was like the sound of
Speaker 1: the kitchen maybe next door, taking a separate room like
Speaker 1: old Mexico. I can't even talk. And I remember like
Speaker 1: a couple of days into thinking like okay, you know
Speaker 1: it's four days, you know, five days, six days, seven days,
Speaker 1: or something like this is time and worry me. I
Speaker 1: lost car. I knew it was a long time of thinking.
Speaker 1: So many teeth went to my mind, so many regrets.
Speaker 1: I believe in fasting because of this. I believe that
Speaker 1: there's something about fasting and denying your body things that
Speaker 1: gives you like a spiritual insight. And because of these
Speaker 1: moment of suffering of not had these food and malnursed
Speaker 1: and in so much need that I really thought these prayers,
Speaker 1: you know, he're talking to God asking me for Kim
Speaker 1: this regreanning my decisions, returning my life and thinking all
Speaker 1: these things. These harties probably peace of manchining see you
Speaker 1: almost like wrestling with to try and bring you peace,
Speaker 1: to to accept that you might not see. I remember
Speaker 1: like thinking, of all, I probably I hope Diana finds
Speaker 1: the right person. Now, i'd probably say that that they
Speaker 1: make it out. And it was sad to think that
Speaker 1: I'm twenty two years old, I'm rich and thinking what
Speaker 1: for thanks? So someone could say, how's a really good
Speaker 1: at sucking up my life? I'm destroying my whole life
Speaker 1: and I mean money, and you know, look again, I'm
Speaker 1: tied up here helpless, you know, pointing be tough right there,
Speaker 1: all these happy talks like, but at the same time
Speaker 1: I found so much peace in them where I wasn't
Speaker 1: like giving up, but I was just coming to terms
Speaker 1: where this doesn't work out. I had this like these thoughts.
Speaker 1: I felt like I never really loved someone correctly because
Speaker 1: everything was selfish and I never even gained some one
Speaker 1: of my best I never got married. I don't even
Speaker 1: think I told my family enough that I love them
Speaker 1: and care for them. I didn't know put no one
Speaker 1: status before my line. I remember reading that in the
Speaker 1: word how I described what love is. In those moments,
Speaker 1: I knew that that's what I never offered someone that
Speaker 1: unselfish move and the best of me, you know, I
Speaker 1: was just there wasn't the best of me, you know,
Speaker 1: it just amazing me and following in the footsteps of
Speaker 1: every other news that they went before me, you know,
Speaker 1: onto this stupid life. Actually, and the days were long,
Speaker 1: and I remember, like into a point where they will
Speaker 1: come and talk to me. Now it's just curse him away,
Speaker 1: like for whatever you want. I remember here, you know,
Speaker 1: talking to regularly. He's not twink the here him said like,
Speaker 1: am I gonna kill then? Not like just like that,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of getting tired of me here. Even if
Speaker 1: I don't sell, he's gonna die now. When he said that,
Speaker 1: thought to myself, Wow, parent to just say it that way.
Speaker 1: He's done this many of times. There's like nothing, it's
Speaker 1: like nothing. Doesn't see someone like that, you know. And
Speaker 1: remember he beat the crap out of me already. He
Speaker 1: did all these things to me. He ain't no part
Speaker 1: you know that. It was just he's just doing normal
Speaker 1: for him. And I felt bad for him. I felt
Speaker 1: back for him, like why that you could put someone
Speaker 1: like in a situation and you don't really know and
Speaker 1: just do what someone else is telling you to do.
Speaker 1: We all sucking guessing I was doing it for my
Speaker 1: own greed, you know, my own selfishness, and you're doing
Speaker 1: it with this someone's telling you to do it with
Speaker 1: no remorse. Remember hearing the church bells as well. Have
Speaker 1: to hear them talking about what something was, you know. Anyway,
Speaker 1: those days end up being like sixteen days or seventeen days.
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about my mom a lot because
Speaker 1: those Mother's daying I could hear them announcing the Mother's Day,
Speaker 1: you know, special service, which is main tent in Mexico.
Speaker 1: I can hear the bells. M hm mm hmmm, mm
Speaker 1: hmmm mm hmmm mm hmmm mm hmmm. My older brother
Speaker 1: called me late at night and he said, I dropped
Speaker 1: off Peter by Deal's house. It's in leaven Theory or
Speaker 1: midnight probably and he still hasn't called. So we would
Speaker 1: go visit him all the time. We were just there
Speaker 1: and not that you know, a few weeks prior, and
Speaker 1: you know, he loved to talk, so we could stay
Speaker 1: two or three in the morning, so that was an
Speaker 1: unusual I'm like, h all right, well it's early, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, he'll call you. No, now we're back. Hey,
Speaker 1: he says't call im A call their house. He says,
Speaker 1: all right, he's like calling this ship rings all right,
Speaker 1: take a wad of that. My older brother called me.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not keeping in Deal's house. All the
Speaker 1: lights off, no one here. And that's when I was like,
Speaker 1: oh ship, I'm like, damn, maybe they took a ride somewhere.
Speaker 1: You know. By then it's two in the morning, and
Speaker 1: I was still hopefully. I think I was trying to
Speaker 1: think positive. Three in the morning, four in the morning,
Speaker 1: I could have those off. Now Vvy starts to call jee,
Speaker 1: where's your brother. I'm like, I don't know. He said
Speaker 1: he wasn't call do you know he he went somewhere.
Speaker 1: I don't like me huh, Like, no, I don't. I
Speaker 1: can't believe he's still at home, Like, you know, tell
Speaker 1: my brother go back again. So my brother went back
Speaker 1: to Deal's house. He's like nothing, there's no one here
Speaker 1: and there's no cars. The lights are off, the doors
Speaker 1: are locked. Then I knew there's something I hadn't slept.
Speaker 1: And yeah, as hours patched, not at ten in the morning.
Speaker 1: Now we're worried, like he's going around, he's actually sending people.
Speaker 1: They're like looking in the house, there's nowhere. Now we're
Speaker 1: trying to find out what's going on, calling me every number.
Speaker 1: We know he's going to the town, Like have you
Speaker 1: seen Lucas. I don't want a clock to a clay
Speaker 1: my brother cars, he said, Bro, they just called. They
Speaker 1: said that they have Peter Kinnay. Here's they That's how
Speaker 1: he said. Just you didn't know if it was. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, hey, like they said, have you Peter kinnapped?
Speaker 1: And they want ten million dollars. He started panicking and I
Speaker 1: I said, listen, take this number. You know, we always
Speaker 1: had like twenty dirty brand new phones. When picked out
Speaker 1: the phone that was already redone, I said, take this number.
Speaker 1: When they call back, when you tell him to call,
Speaker 1: it's in't for it right now, go get everyone out
Speaker 1: of there and come. Then my mom and my dad
Speaker 1: come because I don't know what's going on, and like
Speaker 1: they're in the town, you know, get them out of
Speaker 1: time too. I'm moved back forward and I started making calls.
Speaker 1: So those people around me, the closest people, my best
Speaker 1: friend Tommy, I call him right away, awesome, the kid
Speaker 1: and my brother, and they're saying that they have looping
Speaker 1: and his sons too. What get out of here? They
Speaker 1: called just I haven't spoke to my giving number. It's
Speaker 1: gonna think seven hours skin through. I'll be right there.
Speaker 1: I had a call in a lot of favorites, like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: my brothers making up because it lets you feel like
Speaker 1: somebody has to know something. So you're calling all these
Speaker 1: people from what were they saying? And the thing is like,
Speaker 1: let me find out, we'll get back to you. Let
Speaker 1: me find out, we'll get back to you. I'm on it.
Speaker 1: M h. He said, We're called we have your brother
Speaker 1: and we need ten million dollars. You guys will chopper
Speaker 1: boom now temporarily eating what went through your head as
Speaker 1: soon as you heard Chappo's name. I heard job. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't all chop ten million dollars, I said,
Speaker 1: I oh, Kuala Lupe telling another saying well, you're a
Speaker 1: looping all that money and we need it. You got
Speaker 1: the money, like I don't have tillion dollars. And he's like,
Speaker 1: we know who you are, Like you have houses all
Speaker 1: over this place. We know that you're gambling two thousand
Speaker 1: and a horse race. They know days. We got a
Speaker 1: big old house here, you got a house on the beach. Listen,
Speaker 1: come up with the money. And I'm like, well, hold on, listen.
Speaker 1: I know people like if I I'll pay it, but
Speaker 1: I've never been someone that has never paid. And I
Speaker 1: know a bunch of people like if I, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't thinking okay, then oh I'll pay you. But let
Speaker 1: my brother go. It does not work like that. It's
Speaker 1: not that easy. He was like, so, how long's it
Speaker 1: gonna take you to get this money together. We're gonna
Speaker 1: give you time. We got time. And I'm like, I'll
Speaker 1: see what get together. Just to me if you're just
Speaker 1: I don't do nothing to my brother. And they're real
Speaker 1: respectful like old door, but we won't know you pay
Speaker 1: And I was like, all right, got right back on
Speaker 1: the phone. I started to call everybody. They said that
Speaker 1: Chappel has a man, calling everyone I know, the Ricky
Speaker 1: Coss And by that time that night, Tommy gets there
Speaker 1: and I started, you know, just talking to Tommy. Now
Speaker 1: Tommy as a brother who was deep in the cart out.
Speaker 1: When I told Tommy mean that Chapel has Peter, He'd like,
Speaker 1: let's go to coolcan We're gonna get your brother back.
Speaker 1: Goulakan is the Cineloa Cartels stronghold and where Chapo himself lived.
Speaker 1: The hardest thing was that I had a to like
Speaker 1: me and Peter's not coming home. What did you say
Speaker 1: to Well? It was just like, okay, leeve, listen, remember
Speaker 1: that connect and she started crying. I was like, don't worry,
Speaker 1: I'm remember the back. I didn't need you to trust me.
Speaker 1: In between those times they'll call me, hey, I was
Speaker 1: looking for the money, and I was just like, I'm
Speaker 1: getting it together. Okay, house My brother like, listen, hurry up,
Speaker 1: no threats, just calm, simple requests. But every time that
Speaker 1: phone rang, my heart a little faster, a little bit harder.
Speaker 1: This in a lower Federation has killed hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of people, and Chapeau himself claimed to have personally executed
Speaker 1: more than two thousand. Chapa was never though referred to
Speaker 1: by his name, only ever Dad or daddy. As you'll
Speaker 1: start to hear, Jay was able to get an associate
Speaker 1: to set up a meeting with al Toro Beltran's brother.
Speaker 1: He was running things in Gulacan for Chapo. I know
Speaker 1: who's who, and he's a trans labors brother who runs
Speaker 1: can at that time runs errors in charge for Chapel,
Speaker 1: and he immediately knew who it was. Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: I was a little bit like I wasn't scared by
Speaker 1: his demeanor. He was nice. I could tell. He was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, how's it going, Like, well, hey, Tavlon, I
Speaker 1: look how you described as a one nice there. I
Speaker 1: felt comfortable, cotable. I was scared of the situation. But
Speaker 1: with him, I just I've seen him the way he
Speaker 1: let at me like kind of studied I'm a good
Speaker 1: Pupil's really like, I know he knows who I am.
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. So just back the way he
Speaker 1: greeted me, like it's not like they put the gun
Speaker 1: to my head and brought me to him, shook my
Speaker 1: hand and said, man's fairly young, Oh do are you?
Speaker 1: For so many years we used our age as a
Speaker 1: plus because it's better you you're younger, you're allowed to
Speaker 1: make mistakes. So I think I couldn't even lie to
Speaker 1: if I was twenty two. I could have said twenty
Speaker 1: just because I were kids, right, take it easy. He's like, yeah, um,
Speaker 1: come on, patch me like kind of pushed my shoulders,
Speaker 1: like come here and talk to me. So what's going on?
Speaker 1: How could I help you? And I'm like, you know now,
Speaker 1: we're walking and he's looking at me. He's kind of taught,
Speaker 1: but to me, he's taught. So he said, like he's
Speaker 1: since one. He's looking at me, and I'm saying, well,
Speaker 1: look I'm here because they can, brother, and they can
Speaker 1: quite a little bit of that money. Hey guy, don't
Speaker 1: look there. Uncle. Yeah, well they can have them and
Speaker 1: either you want money and I said, yeah, awes some
Speaker 1: money and give me. Ask you a question. He said,
Speaker 1: do you want money right now? And they said yes,
Speaker 1: sir to who I said, well, all money too, loop
Speaker 1: and he's like who else? And I'm like, now I
Speaker 1: know he's getting somewhere. To keep the supply of drugs flowing,
Speaker 1: they had to pony up their own money in advance.
Speaker 1: The twins had lots of debts, so there were many
Speaker 1: people to pay even before Pete's kidnappers called demanding payments
Speaker 1: of a ten million dollar debt. Did somebody just recently
Speaker 1: give you a ship, muncle? And I said, yeah, they're cool.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, end yep, that's what I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: I think that is my cocaine. Where's my money? I
Speaker 1: have it that you have it, and like yeah, like
Speaker 1: I want it right now? And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: you got a phone number because I had been collecting
Speaker 1: the money. I have money. I just I'm not ever
Speaker 1: going to pay at that with someone that's money. He
Speaker 1: looked at me kind of surprised. I just don't want
Speaker 1: you to pay you for your brother ransom with my money.
Speaker 1: I said, Let excuse me, sir. I said, I don't
Speaker 1: owe you no money. He said, I just told you
Speaker 1: the man. I said, yes, but I don't know the money.
Speaker 1: If you get nowhere to tell me to give it
Speaker 1: to you, I'll give it to you. He lives. He's
Speaker 1: bring the radio. They come bringing with like a C
Speaker 1: radio and he's like whatever, it gives a code word
Speaker 1: of code number, and then I hear note of his
Speaker 1: voice on the radio. Yeah, I'm like here with your friend.
Speaker 1: Sounds for paying me my money. Yeah, And he's like okay.
Speaker 1: He pushes it and then like they pushed the radio
Speaker 1: and like hey no, like Eves like, how are you good?
Speaker 1: How good? I'm glad that you're meeting my friends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just go ahead and turning the money turning all. I said,
Speaker 1: all of it. He said, yeah, I'm going we're working
Speaker 1: out later. I'll call you later. On so we can meet.
Speaker 1: You're in good hand. Don't worry about it. I thank you.
Speaker 1: I goal out to my workers and said, hey, I
Speaker 1: need you to make a deposit. You don't get this,
Speaker 1: you know whatever I owed him, it was like two
Speaker 1: million dollars. Whatever it was. I made the rangements. You
Speaker 1: have it within forty minutes. Think that's good to those
Speaker 1: best Rand's brother. I want you me someone and said
Speaker 1: here these are my friends. This right here is Tapio
Speaker 1: Lomas and this is happens, he said, and needs the
Speaker 1: guys that are calling you for the money. And I
Speaker 1: was like wow, And I said, you're calling me Happon
Speaker 1: said yeah, here, I am standing with the president that's
Speaker 1: been calling me for the pet Ten days, Jay was
Speaker 1: in the middle of cartel country negotiating with one of
Speaker 1: the top lieutenants who also just happens to be al
Speaker 1: Toro Welchran Labor's brother, one of the bosses, and was
Speaker 1: now face to face with Chapo's men, the very people
Speaker 1: who have been calling him to negotiate the debt that
Speaker 1: Pete was kidnapped for abands brother. He said, so let
Speaker 1: me explain it just to you. I tried getting your
Speaker 1: brother back. It turns out there he's in debt. The
Speaker 1: debt that Lupe olds is old to Taple, and it
Speaker 1: took a couple other people. I like you. I don't
Speaker 1: even know you, but I like you, but I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna pay your debt. So this is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm gonna send you to go see Taple.
Speaker 1: You could work it out with him, and then you're
Speaker 1: gonna come work for me. And I was like, but
Speaker 1: I do all the money, that's not my problem. You
Speaker 1: could work it out with him, and you could work
Speaker 1: it out with me. And he tries to check your like,
Speaker 1: take him go see my dad. Let him talk to
Speaker 1: him and see what he says, and try to work
Speaker 1: it out. He says, how many keys could you sell?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't like at that time, Like
Speaker 1: I just saw like d eighteen keys a month, that's it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, and I get a good number
Speaker 1: because somewhere He's like it was a joke, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of being serious, like I'm being business.
Speaker 1: And he says, I can find hund your keys, you know,
Speaker 1: right there, And I said, I'm sorry, I can't take
Speaker 1: your drugs. He said why not. I said, I'm here
Speaker 1: for my brother. I appreciate everything, but I'm here for
Speaker 1: my brother. I'm not here to do business. That's fair.
Speaker 1: And he laughed. She said, this guy looked He said,
Speaker 1: he he's my guy. You know what I mean. They
Speaker 1: just staring at me like I'm different, right, I looked different?
Speaker 1: And he said, okay, give me a phone number. And
Speaker 1: I said, I don't have a phone to give you
Speaker 1: my number. He said, you have three phones right there.
Speaker 1: I said, but you don't want to be on these phones.
Speaker 1: I don't want to cause you no problems. He said, okay,
Speaker 1: that's there, all right. He said, give him a phone number.
Speaker 1: Whatever cases you will buy on your phone, you call me.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, that it will do that, all right.
Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow. Something to see you later on
Speaker 1: so we can continue talking. Okay, let's get your brother.
Speaker 1: He said, Hey, your brother. They said it looks just
Speaker 1: like you. I said, nah, that's what they say. Hey,
Speaker 1: you guys don't look like I said, no, he's a
Speaker 1: little uglier than me. He starts kind of walking away,
Speaker 1: and I'm here left with Tepio Lomas and happleness. And
Speaker 1: we started talking and he said, hey, you know, no
Speaker 1: harder failings, just doing my job, said no hard feelings.
Speaker 1: And then he's like you keep saying that Lupus you know,
Speaker 1: tied up. Why And I'm like, well, that's what he said.
Speaker 1: He's like you told him that, and he's like, well
Speaker 1: that's what Lupa told me to tell him. What he
Speaker 1: said loop it asks Chapel to tie you your brother.
Speaker 1: That was like devastating to me. Yeah, what did you think?
Speaker 1: I don't My heart was like kind of sank, like
Speaker 1: what I don't understand? And they're looking at me like
Speaker 1: my reaction like why I said No, There's no way.
Speaker 1: I'm like like I'm doing business where I've been paying him,
Speaker 1: Like there's no way. We don't know about that, Like
Speaker 1: why would he say that? You know, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: talking to myself and they're just staring at me like
Speaker 1: which kind of stopped and like, what, don't worry. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take people see chap Fol and I We're
Speaker 1: gonna work it out. I stepped outside like the gate
Speaker 1: and they patted me down and he said all right,
Speaker 1: let's go opened the pick up door and it was
Speaker 1: like probably like a level of seven bullet proof like trucks,
Speaker 1: and they made me sit in the middle, and that
Speaker 1: made me feel a little comfortable. First. And here we
Speaker 1: are like sitting next to him and this is in
Speaker 1: the middle. He's there, and I'm like kind of quiet,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pay a situaal We're going and I
Speaker 1: know we're like on the back ends of the city,
Speaker 1: like it's a lot like potholes and like bumps. At
Speaker 1: that time, I have a rolex A Masterpiece. I got
Speaker 1: like a hundred carrots of diamonds on it. I'm probably
Speaker 1: had like a hundred eighty thousand dollars my wrist. You know.
Speaker 1: The sun hits it, so it kind of catches me like,
Speaker 1: you know, like the diamonds in behind. Tapio Lomas looks
Speaker 1: because as I moved, you know, the sun shitting him.
Speaker 1: At that point, it's kind of hitting him in the face.
Speaker 1: He said, wow, look at that watch. Can you see it?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, sure, and take it off. I handed
Speaker 1: to me, Wow, it's happy, man, almost just watch where
Speaker 1: from Like I don't know, A hundred fifty hundred, eighty thousand,
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousands, that's how much my dream houses were.
Speaker 1: And I said yeah. He was looking like, wow, man,
Speaker 1: I want to have the watchlight this one day. It's nice.
Speaker 1: He started giving back to me. The minute he started
Speaker 1: giving me that watch back, I knew I was in
Speaker 1: a good situation. Like I'm just telling you have a
Speaker 1: hundred watch. You could easily take it off me, and
Speaker 1: just like it's mine, I have a chance. It's making
Speaker 1: me feel better, kind of give me a little confident.
Speaker 1: That was my little insurance. Reached over his hand and said, here,
Speaker 1: it's a gift. He said what I said, This is
Speaker 1: my gift to you. I said, you helped me out.
Speaker 1: I said, no, no, I can't take something like that.
Speaker 1: I can't. I said, no, it's okay, take it. I said,
Speaker 1: that's a little topid for our new friendship. He shook
Speaker 1: my hand. I looked at him, move my hand up.
Speaker 1: He shook my hands like thank you. He said, no
Speaker 1: one ever gave me a gift like this, and I said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm glad I'm the first one. H h yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: We pull up. We arrived to this like farm and
Speaker 1: I can see like corn on one side and they
Speaker 1: have like a hangars. When we pull it, I see
Speaker 1: that there's a patch alog patch like and they see
Speaker 1: all it's a runway and there's no tractors there. There's planes,
Speaker 1: a bunch of small cessinas because it has to be
Speaker 1: like at least eight ten of them. He's like, get off,
Speaker 1: and a couple of guys coming that. He takes me
Speaker 1: and they have like an oot like a mechanic shop.
Speaker 1: He takes me night. He introduced me to a bunch
Speaker 1: of people like I picked their hands, you their arms.
Speaker 1: He's talking, okay, is it ready? When I come out,
Speaker 1: the plane's already on a little rungly and he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, come on, let's go. So we started walking
Speaker 1: and there's the pilots, this tass skinny kid wearing flip flops.
Speaker 1: He has to be sixteen years old, seventeen years old,
Speaker 1: and he like opens the doors and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is not right, Like Coln, I walk around the plane
Speaker 1: and which he was like holding the door open. I
Speaker 1: jumped in the back trampe jumps in the front. I
Speaker 1: see that they got a bunch of radios, like a
Speaker 1: bunch of semi radios and stuff. Now I could see
Speaker 1: his feet on the petals and I said, hey, I
Speaker 1: feel like we're good. You're like, oh yeah, man, don't
Speaker 1: everybody's he's the best pilot there is. And I'm like
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling well. I'm look in the back and
Speaker 1: they have a bunch of eight ks and half aver
Speaker 1: were along like a bitty caliber rightful set across, like
Speaker 1: they have to set in an angle because it's so big.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, wow, like, okay, let me try to
Speaker 1: startle it in a little bit. They pushed us to,
Speaker 1: like the beginning of the runway. There was a small
Speaker 1: takeoff for sure. To me, I've never been in the
Speaker 1: on that type of plane, so the many we take off,
Speaker 1: it's like i feel like we don't even have enough.
Speaker 1: Like when things like the plane around man started having
Speaker 1: towards the mountains and it's noisy. They have the windows open.
Speaker 1: This's no easy and there could have screaming at each
Speaker 1: other like right back and for having a conversation. I'm
Speaker 1: just likely looking around. I'm like, I'm so scared of
Speaker 1: so much the unknown, you know, the plane ride, everything
Speaker 1: you could imagine, and just thinking about my brother. I
Speaker 1: do remember thinking like man, this is the life they
Speaker 1: live like, and it was about to get worse. But
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, like trying to just keep my mind,
Speaker 1: you know, like busy. It was gonna be a half
Speaker 1: hour flight, fifteen twenty minutes. At the takeoffs, you know,
Speaker 1: the superiors have been going off there showing is cold,
Speaker 1: and I could see that the different radios, So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna guess that one it's like for her traffic control,
Speaker 1: one is for this one is for the cartel. The
Speaker 1: look you know this one radio. When they went off,
Speaker 1: they both looked, you know, it's like they have him
Speaker 1: clipped on and he takes the rate off. They kind
Speaker 1: of screaming on numbers, you know, like forty two seven
Speaker 1: pet you know, fifteen minutes, fifteen minute. And then he's
Speaker 1: like it's a Bolulu that's what they called, like the
Speaker 1: black Hawks, like the black helicopters, smaller fighter helicopter. There's
Speaker 1: three of them, and he's like, slow it down, strow
Speaker 1: it down, like just take off the base. Let's see
Speaker 1: which way they had it. And he's like they're gonna come,
Speaker 1: what do you have here? What do you have? What's
Speaker 1: back there? And I'm like to a case and I'm
Speaker 1: big done, Like hand me over the a K and
Speaker 1: move it to me. He said, get the big one
Speaker 1: and I'm like, huh, and get the big racle, get it.
Speaker 1: The meliterary is coming. And we're in this situation like
Speaker 1: when thing would just trying to scare a mob for
Speaker 1: something and they're they're not scared to shoot. My heart
Speaker 1: says that's him. I'm I'm scared, but I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: doing what he says. I go and the gun in
Speaker 1: the beating a little bit everything. When I thought it
Speaker 1: was a wait, at least a not sixty pounds, probably sing.
Speaker 1: But the way I was kind of positioned, it was
Speaker 1: hard for me that, you know, kind of get over
Speaker 1: because I'm keeping the roof of the of the aircraft
Speaker 1: and the window doesn't go all the way. But he said, no,
Speaker 1: just cheating the barrel. I'm the window. He said, you
Speaker 1: gonna shoot the window. And I'm like, I'm gonna shut
Speaker 1: the window. But to him, he look at me. I
Speaker 1: think I'm looking calm. I just do what he says,
Speaker 1: and you know, get it ready. And when I pulled
Speaker 1: the gun out, when I actually put it was a
Speaker 1: fifty car it's already kind of loaded. He has a
Speaker 1: box of like it's a box of ammunition. I kind
Speaker 1: of bring the box over and he's like, go ahead
Speaker 1: and just put one in the chamber. And my first
Speaker 1: child was I couldn't. Maybe I wasn't sure I was weaker.
Speaker 1: I just did it poor enough. I couldn't. Kind of
Speaker 1: like pulled it a little bit, and I then I
Speaker 1: actually knew don't have to actually put some pressure on it,
Speaker 1: like kind of put my left hand on the gun.
Speaker 1: Tonight I got it back. It was just silence m
Speaker 1: few minutes, four minutes, and I'm like, wow, I die here,
Speaker 1: no one and will ever know what happened to me.
Speaker 1: No one but I would know. No one will know.
Speaker 1: I'll just be dead somewhere just playing, will blow up,
Speaker 1: and that's my life. That was like a lie. I'm
Speaker 1: realizing this, not just because I'm not as a drug
Speaker 1: did as as a person, as a husband, Like that's it,
Speaker 1: that's your life. No one would ever know where you're at.
Speaker 1: You'll be somewhere in the damn mountains, you know, in pieces,
Speaker 1: and didn't like that. It's the little moments that you're
Speaker 1: take in that you like, think about what's going on.
Speaker 1: And then he numbers being called on the radio again.
Speaker 1: The raid of Justice comes on. More numbers are being
Speaker 1: called and I can see him be like, oh, all right,
Speaker 1: that's good, that's good, okay, and you kind of keeps
Speaker 1: her okay, go ahead and take the cut down. I
Speaker 1: think we're good. And I'm like, I don't want to,
Speaker 1: like accidentally for it to go off. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: how do I take the gun up? You know, how
Speaker 1: to take the bullet up the chiemer? He said, don't worry,
Speaker 1: but I just just don't don't press the trigger, just
Speaker 1: put set it back down because again I had to
Speaker 1: kind of like carry it and I'm bring it over
Speaker 1: and and I just kind of threw it in the back,
Speaker 1: just kind of just laid it and I sat down like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And as we're kind of on the plane,
Speaker 1: we're going to big peaks like the plane I feel
Speaker 1: like something that the trees are gonna just like rub
Speaker 1: the belly of the plane. And it was this big mountain.
Speaker 1: We were kind of heady towards end once we hit
Speaker 1: them out, and I could see him start kind of
Speaker 1: like kind of gliding. All right, attitude went down. You know,
Speaker 1: the mountains look cute. You know. You're like, I'm playing
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, well where are we going? Like
Speaker 1: I don't see enough runway to like land, you know,
Speaker 1: like around these battles. I look ahead and I see it.
Speaker 1: The dirt. It's like this red orange color and it's green.
Speaker 1: You know, mountains are green, and here's this orange like
Speaker 1: play dirt field. I could see it like I'll pale,
Speaker 1: and I could see him kind of like dive in
Speaker 1: a little bit. And now it's really really scared. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the elands kind of like down. He's bringing the
Speaker 1: playing down and he kind of adjust as a kind
Speaker 1: of point up. He's landing up hill and I guess
Speaker 1: that's too slow. The play down hard bumpy righting, just
Speaker 1: the plane off. I'm it's rocking left right, because it's
Speaker 1: why Then I think I could see him kind of
Speaker 1: like slamming on, like trying to hold the brakes off.
Speaker 1: And we get to like the end of the runway
Speaker 1: like rarely, and with the speed of the plane, he
Speaker 1: kind of eases up into a turn and he just stops.
Speaker 1: And I look over and I see that on the
Speaker 1: side of the wrong way there's like a bunch of
Speaker 1: vehicles on a bunch of armed men in camouflage during
Speaker 1: quads and four wheelers. They have hats on top. Okay,
Speaker 1: if all right, we're here, come on, let's go. We
Speaker 1: get off the plane. He's out, I'll be back. I'll
Speaker 1: see you a bit. Jumps off. I jump up and
Speaker 1: right away they approached him and they has the cars
Speaker 1: waiting from there's a bunch like there has to be
Speaker 1: least dirty guys. For you guys. There's a spat little caravan.
Speaker 1: We jump in the car and we make our way
Speaker 1: like started driving like uphills, like down these roads, winding roads,
Speaker 1: dirt roads like some of them might not even like
Speaker 1: actually roads. And I see that a bunch of like
Speaker 1: one cars, a bunch of armed men in camouflaged gear
Speaker 1: like army gear but more a little dirt, and were
Speaker 1: kind of pulling like like we're here. You know, everyone's
Speaker 1: just staring at me. I'm kind of getting off. Everyone's
Speaker 1: just looking at me. Very young kids, I'm talking about
Speaker 1: thirty years old. We're rifles sitting there and uh, he
Speaker 1: tells me, come on, you're going and just like some
Speaker 1: stairs and we come up the stairs and realized it's
Speaker 1: a big old ballapa, huge plapez. It's like for the sun.
Speaker 1: Like in Mexico, the common and religious that keep me
Speaker 1: bos that are made for your from palm trees. It's huge.
Speaker 1: There's fans, but the view like the men I got
Speaker 1: up to, like the views of while you see the
Speaker 1: tip of mom It was just like amazing picture. You
Speaker 1: could feel the fresh air when you're under that palappa fresh.
Speaker 1: It's cool. And there's a couple of dings fair and
Speaker 1: one of them is like, I guess chapel like radio guys,
Speaker 1: and you think, like wish apple, it will be here
Speaker 1: right now. Uh. I shake his hand and he said
Speaker 1: I'll be back. I see him kind of go to
Speaker 1: this and fall up on the stairs and I see
Speaker 1: his head kind of like start dipping away, and I'm
Speaker 1: just caught up in the views, like wow, man, it's
Speaker 1: so beautiful up here. And one of them is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like where you sawing making a spon talk. As
Speaker 1: I was walking across the palapa, there's tables. I see
Speaker 1: that there's you know he has like these picnic tables
Speaker 1: are like these one more table like plastic ones. There's
Speaker 1: a bunch of newspapers and if someone have Chapple the
Speaker 1: face in the front of it on the table and
Speaker 1: he has a TVs there. As I'm making my way
Speaker 1: across the palapa. I see Chapple kind of like climbing
Speaker 1: back up the stairs and he choose to and I
Speaker 1: looked and I could see his hat kind of coming
Speaker 1: up so slowly. It's a black it's a basebhind you
Speaker 1: has the holes in the back. I could see the
Speaker 1: front of it as he's like wings. It was like
Speaker 1: an air force here, like one of the military heads.
Speaker 1: He's coming up like up just to us. And I
Speaker 1: see him and I'm like, he did look a little
Speaker 1: like hunger than when I thought mustache. He has a
Speaker 1: white button, I'm sure, like wrangular jeans and he has
Speaker 1: out black Nike books. When he see me, he looks
Speaker 1: at me and he couldn't because a second take, which
Speaker 1: is out in stand and he's like, how kings wan Loeta.
Speaker 1: I tell my name Margarita Florest, need the Florest. Why
Speaker 1: is he's shaking my hand? He's just staring at dry
Speaker 1: stare just staring. I mean, I'm like sugar hand kind
Speaker 1: of like he's kind of stars. I mean, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of trying to give me back my hand a little bit,
Speaker 1: and so how can I help you? That's next, I'll
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