Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast has never covered a Jets
Speaker 1: playoff game. Now yet Baby from the Chris Westling podcast studio,
Speaker 1: It's Around the NFL um Dan hanzas got Heroes here,
Speaker 1: Greg Rosythal, Mark sas football Man. How lucky are we?
Speaker 1: What a great job, this is what a great sport,
Speaker 1: This is the product that the league puts out there
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. And I just I just pitched myself because
Speaker 1: this is just such a great time to be alive
Speaker 1: doing what we do. And that goes for all the
Speaker 1: all the listeners and viewers of football, which is just
Speaker 1: great love football. I back what you're saying. Each of
Speaker 1: the bullet points that you are just verbalized, I agree with.
Speaker 1: I do think that your spirit, in your mood, it's
Speaker 1: not a butt, it's just more of a I do
Speaker 1: believe that your spirit and mood has been elevated and
Speaker 1: lifted by specific events um today, as characterized by the
Speaker 1: word on your sweatshirt, I got sweatshirt. I didn't think
Speaker 1: of that until you said that. But perhaps perhaps that's
Speaker 1: why I love sports so much and why football is
Speaker 1: such a fun sport. Although you know, I know the
Speaker 1: Jets one of the best wins, maybe the best win
Speaker 1: of the of the A C N area. It's up there.
Speaker 1: But I would like to think you know easily you
Speaker 1: are loyal to football too. I'm not the only one.
Speaker 1: And uh, the the Week nine slate in the early
Speaker 1: window and then even Tom Brady there at the end
Speaker 1: in the late windows deliver so much as a whole.
Speaker 1: But I think that Dan would have a little bounce
Speaker 1: in his step no matter let's say they let's say
Speaker 1: the Jets had been like heavily and mercilessly waxed by Buffalo.
Speaker 1: We're not getting that opening speech, and I'm glad we're
Speaker 1: getting it, and I'm glad it happened for you. I listen,
Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of people would be
Speaker 1: destroyed on Sunday, and maybe the man across from me,
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler, hinted at it repeatedly, having what I said
Speaker 1: was that loss would be a win for you, but
Speaker 1: you didn't believe. All I can tell you is that
Speaker 1: this is an amazing sport football, and I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be here with you, guys, my friends, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: It's more statements I agree with. So why don't we
Speaker 1: you know what, Yeah, why don't we Why don't we
Speaker 1: start with the game that was played in northern New
Speaker 1: Jersey today, because there's been a lot of good football.
Speaker 1: You're making me uncomfort of all this, this version of Dan.
Speaker 1: I don't know who he is. Where neither do I.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening. Let's go check it out.
Speaker 1: The Jets and the Bills lead by three, fourth and one,
Speaker 1: and as Alan trops back to throw, I was on
Speaker 1: five yard days hambling to his loft fine time, looking
Speaker 1: down to you. It's a bomb for Davis. Sauce gardeners
Speaker 1: there that it's not the way Sauce Carter and position
Speaker 1: on kve. Davis knots it away, and the Jets are
Speaker 1: gonna take a knee and win it here at Nutlife Stadium.
Speaker 1: Come come, Bob was using with the call w E
Speaker 1: p n the baby Jets. They're all growns up, and
Speaker 1: they're all grows up, and they're all growns up. Josh
Speaker 1: Alan dare to challenge Sauce Gardner. With the game on
Speaker 1: the line, Zack Wilson threw a touchdown pass and played
Speaker 1: smart in efficient football, and Greg the Legs airline kicked
Speaker 1: the go ahead twenty eight yard field goal with one
Speaker 1: forty three to play. It was the clinching points of
Speaker 1: a win over the Buffalo Bills, widely believed to be
Speaker 1: the best team in football entering this Sunday, and um
Speaker 1: mark so many things from a Jet standpoint went right
Speaker 1: in this game. They played their best, most complete game
Speaker 1: against their toughest opponent and have a season changing win
Speaker 1: as a result. And uh yeah, it feels good right
Speaker 1: now to be a Jets fan. It really does. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you go back to when the Jets were a
Speaker 1: factor way back when with Darrell Reevas with that elite defense,
Speaker 1: you're seeing the DNA strands of an elite defense here.
Speaker 1: And the one thing we did talk about on Thursday,
Speaker 1: I wasn't being negative about the Jets. I said, you
Speaker 1: need your young players, your young heroes like Sauce Gardner
Speaker 1: to show up, and you need need to cause chaos
Speaker 1: for Buffalo, and Buffalo is gonna need to be coaxed
Speaker 1: into some air un characteristic melt down, some mistakes. All
Speaker 1: of that happened. I also just said, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I believe in this team based on where they are
Speaker 1: at quarterback. They played around that today and they did
Speaker 1: everything they needed to do, and it is a legit
Speaker 1: Jets win that makes them a legit competitor and contestant
Speaker 1: in the a f C. This is not a fluke.
Speaker 1: There are really things happening with this Jets team under
Speaker 1: Robert Sala that suggests that they are growing quickly. The
Speaker 1: defense has been here pretty much all season. I knew
Speaker 1: they would show up in this game, and that's what
Speaker 1: made last week against the Patriots so disappointing, because they
Speaker 1: showed up that week too, but the quarterback didn't show
Speaker 1: up in the second half. So the fact that Wilson
Speaker 1: was able to correct a lot of the mistakes that
Speaker 1: defined the lost to New England, that's all they really
Speaker 1: he needs to do. Like his job, Zach Wilson is
Speaker 1: to be competent, hit the throws when they come available,
Speaker 1: maybe mix in a big play, and don't kill him
Speaker 1: the turnovers. Because their defense greg is now hitting a
Speaker 1: level uh And remember this was a historically bad defense
Speaker 1: when solid took over just last year. Is that a
Speaker 1: level now where they could shut down any opponent, including
Speaker 1: Josh Allen and the Bills. It's crazy that throw Josh
Speaker 1: Allen made. You must have been sweating out because it
Speaker 1: felt like that that Tech Mobile play where there's a
Speaker 1: glitch and the ball just keeps going and going and
Speaker 1: going forever. Just with my eyes, it looked like about
Speaker 1: seventy you know, about seventy plus are yards, which is insane,
Speaker 1: but then so fitting that it's gardener there at the end.
Speaker 1: I said, that was the matchup I was looking forward to.
Speaker 1: You can tell me more about it, Jets defense versus
Speaker 1: Bill's offense. The fact that Alan ends with two interceptions
Speaker 1: only two yards rushing, I mean passing on thirty four
Speaker 1: attempts is major. And this is a running in defense year.
Speaker 1: Most years you would think that they can't stick around
Speaker 1: to the end because you need the passing game. But
Speaker 1: this is more of a running in defense year, and
Speaker 1: we're seeing teams like the Jets survive week to week
Speaker 1: and thrive. Yeah, they they have a great secondary um
Speaker 1: led by Sauce. Of course, who to me is the
Speaker 1: defensive rookie of the year. DJ Reid is the guy
Speaker 1: that kind of has been under the radar um as
Speaker 1: another guy that's playing at a Pro Bowl level. So
Speaker 1: you when you have that, going back to those teams
Speaker 1: you're talking about Mark, that's when the Jets had Rebus
Speaker 1: and Antonio Cromarti that could change um, flip the field
Speaker 1: for them and limit what any team could do. This
Speaker 1: is this is their strength. Their defense and their offense
Speaker 1: has been up and down. At quarterback, it's been impacted
Speaker 1: by injuries, but the defense has been here all year long.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, And they ran for a hundred and seventy
Speaker 1: four yards. That's the thing. Yes, And they didn't. They
Speaker 1: didn't have a great running day until it mattered because
Speaker 1: they took over with about seven minutes to play, about
Speaker 1: eight minutes to play, they got the ball at their
Speaker 1: own four game tied at seventeen. They were down by eleven,
Speaker 1: I believe at one point the Jets and they went
Speaker 1: all the way inside the Bill's red zone on eight
Speaker 1: straight running plays. And then when the clock got to
Speaker 1: a point where uh they needed to throw the ball,
Speaker 1: they didn't have to, but they said, we're gonna on
Speaker 1: third down, We're gonna ask Zach to do something. He found,
Speaker 1: of all people, Denzel Mims for a huge first down
Speaker 1: that not only allowed them to get into chip shot range.
Speaker 1: Even though that play that drive stalled and ended with
Speaker 1: the field goal, it put Josh Allen in a situation
Speaker 1: where he had no time outs and no margin for era.
Speaker 1: So when they get a holding call and then a
Speaker 1: crushing sack fumble, it essentially puts the game away. So
Speaker 1: the running games showing up with Breeze Hall gone was huge.
Speaker 1: And Josh Allen struggles. You know, he was a little
Speaker 1: sloppy with the ball the previous week, uh as we
Speaker 1: know for in receptions and two starts, and in this
Speaker 1: game he uh the interceptions were bad, they were poor decisions.
Speaker 1: One was inside the Jets red zone very early in
Speaker 1: the game, um after a long dig's completion, and in general,
Speaker 1: he just did not look comfortable. I talked about the
Speaker 1: stat um that his numbers really fall off. You could
Speaker 1: probably say this about a lot of quarterbacks with the
Speaker 1: number one receiver. But if you could neutralize Diggs, which
Speaker 1: the Jets largely did other than the first big completion
Speaker 1: on the first play from scrimmage, UM, you can get
Speaker 1: the Bills in a little bit more of a vulnerable position.
Speaker 1: And that's what happened because Diggs was mostly silent after
Speaker 1: that first big play and they didn't have someone else
Speaker 1: they could turn. And it stands out because who's who's
Speaker 1: made the Bills uncomfortable this season. Essentially no one other
Speaker 1: than that a couple of moments here and there. I
Speaker 1: mean it was we were too bad picks by by Allen.
Speaker 1: And I mean week after week, the Jets defense is
Speaker 1: doing this, and it's your kryptonite in the a f C.
Speaker 1: If you can do this to Buffalo, you can beat anyone. Well,
Speaker 1: they gave him a taste of the Bills medicine. I
Speaker 1: saw that they only blitzed Alan twice. It's the fewest
Speaker 1: he's been blitzed, uh this season certainly, or the second
Speaker 1: least he's ever been blitzed in his career. And they
Speaker 1: lost that game. They don't need to. They got they
Speaker 1: got tons of pressure, they got sacks. He you know,
Speaker 1: he got loose for some running players in this game. Uh.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they can do what the Bills
Speaker 1: do on defense, which is not blitz and create a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure. I mean that's kind of the skeleton
Speaker 1: key here. And uh, Allen will give you a chance,
Speaker 1: Like there's this idea that always been a little sloppy
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. After this week, he might lead
Speaker 1: the league and turnover worthy plays. He still has that
Speaker 1: gene in him where he'll give you a chance a
Speaker 1: couple of times a game, any more than makes up
Speaker 1: for you the number two in my m v P race.
Speaker 1: But he'll give you a chance a couple of times.
Speaker 1: And when you're a great defense like the Jets, you
Speaker 1: take advantage. If you look at the Jets last five weeks,
Speaker 1: the the amount of yards they have given up through
Speaker 1: the era hundred seventy eight, hundred and fifty eight two,
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty one, and then what happened today
Speaker 1: where you know, and if you look at the DIGSZ
Speaker 1: box score, he almost had a hundred yards, but they's
Speaker 1: largely shut him down in the second half and so
Speaker 1: much has to do that has to do with their
Speaker 1: defensive backfield. Yeah, it was just a great, great performance
Speaker 1: all around. They were down to fourth a half, but
Speaker 1: you and I tweeted about at a time like you
Speaker 1: felt like the whole team had showed up. A lot
Speaker 1: of bills, fans traveled and we're in the in the
Speaker 1: in MetLife Stadium, but the Jets crowd was a good
Speaker 1: one as well. It was a really good vibe. And uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they go into their bye week on this, so it's
Speaker 1: a great time to hit your by and try to
Speaker 1: get a little more healthy, and then you come out
Speaker 1: and you get a rematch against the Patriots. Patriots so
Speaker 1: and egged on by their reporters, they were already talking
Speaker 1: up that game like, oh, we can't wait, we can't wait.
Speaker 1: We shall see. But it is, it is he does,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see. Uh. I'm curious so your
Speaker 1: guys reaction when you watch Zack Wilson, because I thought
Speaker 1: you could definitely see him learn from some things that
Speaker 1: happened last week. Even the last his last play from scrimmage,
Speaker 1: it was kind of a broken play and you could
Speaker 1: see him being very wise about I am not gonna
Speaker 1: lose this game. After this amazing drive on a fumble
Speaker 1: here getting taken down, you can tell you just playing smarter.
Speaker 1: But the Bills are owing too in the division and
Speaker 1: now they have two losses, which ties the Chiefs. I
Speaker 1: know it's a long season, but it just opens up
Speaker 1: this AFC still a little bit in a way that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have You wouldn't have thought that out there,
Speaker 1: a half game out of the a f C East
Speaker 1: lead with the tiebreaker right now in the Bills. How
Speaker 1: about that? But You don't want to hear anything more
Speaker 1: from me. You want to hear from a different member
Speaker 1: of the Hands family. His name is Keith, his dad's dad.
Speaker 1: Don't doubt about it. He's a big Jets fan. What
Speaker 1: is he going to say that the game today? What
Speaker 1: does he goes will happen game? To say? What a
Speaker 1: great win for the Jets beating the Buffalo Bills? And
Speaker 1: now was that an exciting game? I thought it was
Speaker 1: a tremendous comeback, the way they hung in there with
Speaker 1: them and they stopped Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills
Speaker 1: and six and three. If you would have told anybody
Speaker 1: they'd be six and three after nine games going into
Speaker 1: Dubai and then they're gonna play in New England again.
Speaker 1: Let's see what they can do. Go Jets, j E
Speaker 1: t s Jets, Jets Jets About a little perspiration on
Speaker 1: Keith shirt. He was sweating it out with the rest
Speaker 1: of us. I mean, he's been waiting forever. It's been
Speaker 1: a long time task to feel. Is there an element
Speaker 1: of it being entirely surreal? Like are you catching up
Speaker 1: to what? There is a real vibe around the fan
Speaker 1: base right now, because it really doesn't like this. If
Speaker 1: they have a bad loss, let's say against the Patriots
Speaker 1: coming out of the bye you're not going to give
Speaker 1: up hope again, think where you were a fortnit Ago.
Speaker 1: I can as a fan. There are highs and lows.
Speaker 1: That's just part of the experience. But right now that
Speaker 1: was very low, then very high. Now you know what else,
Speaker 1: We're always getting banged by the listeners for talking about
Speaker 1: the Jets too much, and look at I think there's
Speaker 1: times where that's a relevant comment. Well not this time,
Speaker 1: so shut up. That's I like the listener. So I'm
Speaker 1: sort of saying that to anyone that wants to create
Speaker 1: rabble rows this week, you just don't do it this week.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark. All right, well, thank you everybody for listening.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on Tuesday with another episode. There's more,
Speaker 1: There is more. I know when you came into the
Speaker 1: office today, you're like, how about that, Greggy, And for
Speaker 1: a second it was of course you're talking about it,
Speaker 1: just but I wasn't sure what you're talking about because
Speaker 1: there has been other football to that point. Like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what I say to you. Almost always when
Speaker 1: I say something to Greg, his first thing is like
Speaker 1: what and then I have to clarify, Greg, I have
Speaker 1: a thing, just a little fog. There's a fog around
Speaker 1: in front of me. And then like it takes a
Speaker 1: second and a half to register. I wonder where that
Speaker 1: is coming from, Moky Hayes. All right, there was more football.
Speaker 1: In fact, let's go through all these early games because
Speaker 1: we had I think five games decided by a field goal.
Speaker 1: Uh so let's head to another one in Detroit. Roger's back,
Speaker 1: he's got it looking looking, crush its it up for
Speaker 1: grabs in the end. Let's get out of here, starting
Speaker 1: street and man, did this team need that? This football
Speaker 1: is great? Well? What a sport? Well now they've won
Speaker 1: me over, Dan Miller with a call w x y T,
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions became the latest defense to shut down
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and the Packers, getting the big stop on
Speaker 1: fourth down in the final minute to seal a fifteen
Speaker 1: to nine win. Uh that, yes, as you heard from
Speaker 1: Dan Miller. Finally the Lions get that second w and
Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers, for I believe the first time
Speaker 1: in the Aaron Rodgers era when he's the quarterback, have
Speaker 1: lost five straight games and this was another one. Guys,
Speaker 1: this is another game from my draft. Nice draft by
Speaker 1: Zeo Sir on a big spot. Um. Another game where
Speaker 1: the players were there, it was there for the Packers
Speaker 1: to do what every other team has done against the Lions,
Speaker 1: which is hanging four d plus total yards and twenty
Speaker 1: seven to third five points or whatever. Um. But just
Speaker 1: failure to execute over and over and for a guy
Speaker 1: that went on a major radio podcast show, UM recently
Speaker 1: and publicly said that members of his team, his teammates
Speaker 1: need to be losing playing time uh and having their
Speaker 1: reps cut to then go to Ford Field and play
Speaker 1: the game that Aaron Rodgers played where he threw two
Speaker 1: end zone interceptions bad ones. He threw um another ball
Speaker 1: a deep pass that would have been a touchdown if
Speaker 1: he just puts the right throw out there. He under
Speaker 1: throws his uh uh. I don't remember if it was
Speaker 1: Lazard I believe, or maybe it was I'm not sure
Speaker 1: who was actually, but he underthrows that receiver. All throughout
Speaker 1: the game. He's missing throws. And it's not only Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is not the only reason they lose this game,
Speaker 1: and credit is due to the Lions and my boy
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn. Their defensive coordinator who has been under fire
Speaker 1: obviously with the rest of that coaching staff, but seeing
Speaker 1: Rogers leaving yards and points on the field every week
Speaker 1: is stunning. Seeing against a Detroit defense that's been historically
Speaker 1: inept is a whole whole other level to this. A
Speaker 1: Detroit defense that've had two interceptions all year, that couldn't
Speaker 1: stop anyone through the air or on the ground, and
Speaker 1: have Aaron Rodgers end the game with foeign completions and
Speaker 1: to have him still like show this frustration it seems
Speaker 1: to be beamed out and aimed at everyone but himself.
Speaker 1: I just I find I find the whole situation very problematic.
Speaker 1: They've got the Cowboys, Titans, and Eagles up yet next
Speaker 1: and no humble brag. But I said on Thursday, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure they get to seven wins, and like seven
Speaker 1: wins would be a nice set finished to their season. Well,
Speaker 1: you can't humble brag about your lack of belief in
Speaker 1: the team of a t M. This is why you
Speaker 1: never give up on the team of a t M.
Speaker 1: They're on a one game winning streak, this was their
Speaker 1: super ball. Don't give up on them. I just I didn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't enjoying the expert same same same losses, uh,
Speaker 1: same loss column when they bleed. That's they They got
Speaker 1: the you know, great defensive game for the Lions, you know,
Speaker 1: in terms of being um opportunistic and everything. But essentially
Speaker 1: they also had their worst offensive game of the year.
Speaker 1: Like the Packers defense did as much as they've done
Speaker 1: all year, giving up only two d and fifty four yards.
Speaker 1: They were put in a bad position by their offenseill game,
Speaker 1: and it still didn't matter, which is it's shocking. Like
Speaker 1: the post game quotes from Rogers Ers, here's Rogers, you
Speaker 1: know what's gone wrong? Well, I mean I played, but um,
Speaker 1: I never gave up. Obviously, I don't want to lead
Speaker 1: us in rushing. Um, but I knew I was gonna
Speaker 1: have to make some place on my legs. And that's
Speaker 1: really the moving forward. I'm gonna have to keep doing
Speaker 1: things like that. I feel like we never gave up.
Speaker 1: I mean, we just moved the ball well in the
Speaker 1: first half, and I do a couple of picks in
Speaker 1: the end zone took points off the board, so that
Speaker 1: obviously came back to artist down the stretch. Look, I
Speaker 1: know they didn't run the ball great. When they did
Speaker 1: try to day, Aaron Jones got banged up and I
Speaker 1: think they had a fifty nine yards between Dylan and Jones.
Speaker 1: But the comment that mattered more to me, uh then
Speaker 1: that post game one was one that Aaron Rodgers made
Speaker 1: to Aaron Andrews during the week, who he has a
Speaker 1: pretty close relationship with it and he's told her, I
Speaker 1: want to go down swinging. Instead of last week where
Speaker 1: they were really focusing on the run and people are
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, give them, uh, you know, kudos
Speaker 1: for running the balls saunch. He's like, if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go down, I want to go down swinging. And he's
Speaker 1: talking about throwing the ball deep down the field and
Speaker 1: they tried it today. Didn't work. It did not work,
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, for the Lions, I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: there's still a team with a lot of problems. I
Speaker 1: don't think this is uh we're going to see them
Speaker 1: making a charge here necessarily, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it has to be a total relief for everyone in
Speaker 1: that building and on this show, it's become a sad
Speaker 1: tradition of the team of a t M. To hear
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell be sad um in his postgame press conference.
Speaker 1: So let's hear Dan Campbeill be happy for we at last. Listen,
Speaker 1: of course, at I'll be honest that I'm exhausted. So
Speaker 1: why I just you know, I'll go home, put the
Speaker 1: foot up, drink a beer. Um, you know, I love it,
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm not giving up on them. We
Speaker 1: got they got the Bears, the Bears in the Giants.
Speaker 1: Win those two games to get to four and six.
Speaker 1: I know that's tough, two road games, but it's possible.
Speaker 1: And then you at least get to Thanksgiving against the Bills.
Speaker 1: Why they give them the Bills and Thanksgiving. You know,
Speaker 1: with momentum, anybody could take down the Bills playing the
Speaker 1: Bills on Thanksgiving. When they do that to these teams
Speaker 1: you're doing, I mean, I get you what. You can't
Speaker 1: out them playing a dud because then it's an unwatchable game.
Speaker 1: But it's true, that's absurd. Yes, So the lines approved
Speaker 1: to two and six, two and three at home, and
Speaker 1: I worry that Justin Fields might have a thousand total
Speaker 1: yards against the lines. But maybe this is a defense
Speaker 1: that will are to get some momentum off this. Uh
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson had his first interception of any kind. I
Speaker 1: believe there was a quote after the game. You never
Speaker 1: even had one in high school or pop warn or anything.
Speaker 1: So uh, nice, nice win. And for the Packers, this
Speaker 1: was We talked about it on the Thursday Show. Also, like, man,
Speaker 1: you don't go into Ford Field and hang a bunch
Speaker 1: of points on the Lions and get healthy, you have
Speaker 1: a major problem. The Packers have a major problem. Well,
Speaker 1: it is directly tied to the quarterbacks in other directions.
Speaker 1: That was your asset test. You failed your season. If
Speaker 1: I had a fork on me, I would fork them
Speaker 1: right now. I don't need to spend another week or
Speaker 1: two hanging around wondering because I don't even care if
Speaker 1: they go on a hot streak. I don't buy them
Speaker 1: as anything more than a trash barge floating down the
Speaker 1: dark river. I mean, you've been you've been waiting for
Speaker 1: this for seven years, and then you picked against them,
Speaker 1: against the Commanders. You picked them as your lock three
Speaker 1: weeks ago. And yeah, you say, honestly, I almost well,
Speaker 1: I couldn't know if I could lock this. I think
Speaker 1: I tried to lock them again. This time. I was
Speaker 1: gonna turn around and do that. And he was like
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I would like I would have driven home.
Speaker 1: All right, He's you're right with his deep balls aren't
Speaker 1: getting there all the time. And this was an indoor game.
Speaker 1: It's a little intra it's a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1: It's it's forty. He's forty years old. He's not forty.
Speaker 1: He's forty? Is it? Interceptions during thirty nine and one month?
Speaker 1: But um, the weird thing is and we got to
Speaker 1: move on. But the weird thing about watching Rodgers in
Speaker 1: this game, Um, he still moves really well. He'll spin,
Speaker 1: he'll throw some beautiful he'll make some beautiful throws like
Speaker 1: that's Aaron Rodgers. But then he'll just he misses so
Speaker 1: many throws this year. It's just been a different guy.
Speaker 1: There will not be three straight m v p s
Speaker 1: for number twelve. He's as many picks as he did
Speaker 1: all last year. Let's take a break and we will
Speaker 1: welcome in our buddy Shook. Welcome back before we bring
Speaker 1: in a shookie for one game. Cameo this week? Did
Speaker 1: you see Fox trying to um pump up the Cowboys Packers?
Speaker 1: Don't get me started on this and I were talking
Speaker 1: about this all rivalry renewed yeah, I just like hook.
Speaker 1: I guess if you're like most, you have to be
Speaker 1: the most super cash fan to not get to one
Speaker 1: of these teams is like totally spinning down the drain.
Speaker 1: Rivalry renewed, and they're like showing shots of Dak caught it.
Speaker 1: It's like, what am I missing? Why? Why is this
Speaker 1: now renewed? It's they there was zero irony to the commercial, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the teams was great in the sixties,
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties, and then one was great in the
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, and uh, they've been great at various points since.
Speaker 1: But they're suggesting by saying that now it is a
Speaker 1: rivalry renewing. They're suggesting that the recent years, like during
Speaker 1: the run of this podcast, they haven't been rivals or
Speaker 1: it hasn't been a big deal, but now it is
Speaker 1: total one of the worst teams in the NFC. They
Speaker 1: pushed it hard. They should have just had a big
Speaker 1: picture of Mike McCarthy and saying that is gonna get
Speaker 1: his revenge. How about that? That's a at our ad campaign.
Speaker 1: Let's check in with the future, Zaddie as we get
Speaker 1: to our next game. Don't put that on him. Come on, Greg,
Speaker 1: here we go. Yeah, come on, Greg, seven yards kick
Speaker 1: us off has kicked the Minnesota Vikings to a twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen lead. So you have to understand the history of
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings to understand why on a chip shot
Speaker 1: field goal Paul Allen, who's called every miserable field goal
Speaker 1: moment in Vikings history, how nervous he sounds. There, Come on, Greg,
Speaker 1: we need you here anyway, k f A n there.
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins leads another comeback victory and everyone likes it
Speaker 1: twenty to seventeen. Well, the Commanders don't. But that's the
Speaker 1: way it is for the Commanders, whose winning streak is over.
Speaker 1: We now welcome in Nick Shook future Zaddy. In my opinion, Uh, Shookie,
Speaker 1: you know, the Vikings are really difficult to figure out.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're gonna have this conversation again because
Speaker 1: in this game, they're the better team, They're a superior
Speaker 1: team with a better roster, and yet they're they're sweating
Speaker 1: out a game against Washington in which they were trailing
Speaker 1: by double digits I believe at one point, yeah, double
Speaker 1: digits in the fourth quarter, and it looks like Washington
Speaker 1: was about one more player from pulling away, and they
Speaker 1: just did barely enough and got enough little mistakes by
Speaker 1: Washington to stay in the game. Couple long passes to
Speaker 1: jeff and Justin Jefferson, one early on the first touchdown
Speaker 1: drive another to keep that drive alive that led to
Speaker 1: a field goal that made it a one score game.
Speaker 1: Then they get the timely interception and that's basically how
Speaker 1: they got back in the game. But you know, as
Speaker 1: I wrote in the what we learned, they had a
Speaker 1: great opening drive on score touchdown, everything is looking good
Speaker 1: and then they just fell asleep. Yes, thank you. I
Speaker 1: try to get the plug great an underrated column on
Speaker 1: NFL dot com really summarizing everything in succinct manner. Every
Speaker 1: week it's the top article in the news stack on
Speaker 1: NFL dot com and Shook. Everyone should know. This shouldn't
Speaker 1: be a surprise. But Shook is the lead writer. Whether
Speaker 1: that's official or not, he is the lead writer. He
Speaker 1: gets to choose which games to watch, uh, and they
Speaker 1: it runs and breathes. A valuable employee to say the least. Well,
Speaker 1: first off, I feel like I'm listening to a Wikipedia
Speaker 1: read out of actually is. Secondly, you guys know, I
Speaker 1: picked my games to fit the podcast. So it all right,
Speaker 1: trying everyone in the mirage. This is Hollywood. Nope, I'm
Speaker 1: bringing it back. This show business. Let's shock. Let me
Speaker 1: just throw to this because this was fun. Um Kirk Cousins,
Speaker 1: who again was on a team that played in Minnesota
Speaker 1: called the Vikings last year that blew every game that
Speaker 1: they're now winning. Uh, and it's leading to the rebirth.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about a something renewed. You like
Speaker 1: that is renewed. Let's check this out. You like that?
Speaker 1: Do you think that the teammate it seems like they
Speaker 1: kind of like Kirk. It's kind of like there. They
Speaker 1: like him enough that they put all of their chains
Speaker 1: around his neck, which had to be about fifty pounds.
Speaker 1: He's shirtless on the plane, dancing in the aisle in
Speaker 1: the plane with him wearing all of their jewelry because
Speaker 1: we know it's not his jewelry. You know, we know
Speaker 1: he's not wearing a chain of the stadium. My personal
Speaker 1: opinion on you like that it's played out. It was
Speaker 1: a Washington thing. Fans in Washington. They were in Washington.
Speaker 1: I think that's why he did it here. This was
Speaker 1: a little ex Yeah, they started mocking him. Fans were
Speaker 1: doing it, you like that chance in the stadium when
Speaker 1: they were up by ten points. So of course he
Speaker 1: gets the last laugh. But far from a perfect performance
Speaker 1: for him, for sure. I hear you. But the play,
Speaker 1: if you're watching on YouTube, that we happen to be
Speaker 1: looking at right now, third and seven, twelve minutes and
Speaker 1: thirty seins left in the game, they're down ten, they
Speaker 1: don't pick up that first down, they might not win,
Speaker 1: and Kirk uncorks a beauty. Here's the thing about Kirk Cousins.
Speaker 1: He's a beautiful thrower of the football. What he's protected
Speaker 1: and actually that play he wasn't protected. He did it
Speaker 1: under pressure. But he isn't playing any better this year.
Speaker 1: I don't think that he normally plays. But that was
Speaker 1: a big time throw in a big moment and helped
Speaker 1: start the comeback. And two it was a big time
Speaker 1: throwing in a in a moment in which right before
Speaker 1: he had thrown interception that was brought back by defensive
Speaker 1: pass interference on Benjamin. Don't ruin the Hollywood story here
Speaker 1: that we're trying to spend. I do. There is something,
Speaker 1: there is something about the offense that I can never
Speaker 1: trust you alluded to it, but they went seventy eight
Speaker 1: yards on nine plays and then they go six months
Speaker 1: in an interception. It's like what happens Mark when when
Speaker 1: the competition gets better and they go into these funks
Speaker 1: and then you're putting a lot of stretch on your
Speaker 1: defense to keep you in the game. I just I
Speaker 1: don't know. I've been a so has truly been tested yet,
Speaker 1: but credit to them from piling up wins. I got
Speaker 1: a text from a Vikings fan who's been listening to
Speaker 1: this show since day one, and he was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear any nonsense about the Vikings offense
Speaker 1: going to sleep like they normally do because we're seven
Speaker 1: and one and deal with so. They are survivors. They've
Speaker 1: they've survived in a way they didn't last year through
Speaker 1: some of their darker moments. I want to ask you
Speaker 1: one question that shook. There was a play here where
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel had a touch down. Sorry job. You guys
Speaker 1: met him at the Minnesota super Bowl and he loves
Speaker 1: you guys. Great guy. He's a great guy to you know.
Speaker 1: Let the Vikings have a little bit of there's five
Speaker 1: wit losses up on the Packers. Right there. They have
Speaker 1: to play at Buffalo next week, So enjoy this week
Speaker 1: while you can, because you're getting angry bills. You're getting
Speaker 1: angry to get angry bills. But you know what, that's
Speaker 1: a great, great test for the Vikings. That's perfect. You
Speaker 1: have to show what you're made of against a top opponent.
Speaker 1: That's nice. I shook. I want to ask you quick
Speaker 1: question because there was no kind of play in here
Speaker 1: that I want to go review. It sounds delicious to me.
Speaker 1: Where a ref knockdown at a fencing back on that
Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel touchdown. Love these things. Yes, yes, So it's
Speaker 1: like a ball into triple coverage is just like a
Speaker 1: desperation heave. It's kind of on target a DBS going back.
Speaker 1: It's cam bind him. He's in perfect position to pick
Speaker 1: it off and he collides with the ref and the
Speaker 1: replay is fantastic from one angle where you see the
Speaker 1: ref stiff as a board falling to the ground, and
Speaker 1: as he's falling he's still keeping his eyes on the play,
Speaker 1: not protecting or bracing himself whatsoever. My fiance was sitting
Speaker 1: here and I looked at and said, hey, look at
Speaker 1: this replay. Look how this ref falls as if he's
Speaker 1: falling into a coffin. It was just, it was majestic,
Speaker 1: it was fun, it was we needed that ref fainting
Speaker 1: this week. It would have been almost would have pulled
Speaker 1: it off and just another plug of the what we
Speaker 1: learned on NFL dot com. I love the little next
Speaker 1: gen stat of the game. Harrison Smith had a huge
Speaker 1: interception which improved Minnesota's win probability by twenty two point
Speaker 1: nine from fourteen point seven to thirty seven point six.
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. Watch out there, exactly what it's about.
Speaker 1: I look at uh coming off of Greg's laptop in
Speaker 1: the middle. Here's the thing. It would have been lightened
Speaker 1: the podcast, but now you're, you know, making it into
Speaker 1: it because it came on and both Mark and I
Speaker 1: looked at you and you just stayed frozen. And I
Speaker 1: had no idea it was coming from my computer. Clearly
Speaker 1: it was coming from an advertisement, you know one Uh,
Speaker 1: what's not going to get an advertisement this week? We
Speaker 1: have some developing news here from after this game. Taylor Heineke,
Speaker 1: He's not buying any Nikes this week. The air Jordan's
Speaker 1: in uh in purple and yellow. I don't know I'm
Speaker 1: color blind, not not getting purchased. Sorry, Heineck, that interception,
Speaker 1: you know that that's the colors of the Vikings though, right,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, but I mean, um yeah, that the
Speaker 1: purple and yellow are their colors. You're just gold. Look
Speaker 1: at it. Sometimes they have little subtle you know, gradations
Speaker 1: of these things. Purple certainly shook. Anything else to add
Speaker 1: on this particular game, I can't confirm that the Vikings
Speaker 1: are purple and gold. Um. I thought for a second
Speaker 1: there that Taylor Heineke had basically secured the job no
Speaker 1: matter whether Carson went Wentz was healthy or not, because
Speaker 1: this team plays with more energy with him. They just
Speaker 1: look like they want to be out there when he's
Speaker 1: on the field. He earns that with his play, come
Speaker 1: on that that, but that they're like one of their
Speaker 1: two touchdowns should have been an interception that the official
Speaker 1: you know, knocked over the players. He even said after
Speaker 1: the game that guy deserves a game ball. I could
Speaker 1: not have stood you said, like the Vikings are a
Speaker 1: little bit of a soft seven one. If the if
Speaker 1: Washington had somehow won that game with that being a
Speaker 1: key play, it would have been the worst four game
Speaker 1: winning drinking the history of the NFL. I've never seen
Speaker 1: a luckier then the vic Then the Commanders have the
Speaker 1: last three weeks to win those three games. That there's
Speaker 1: so much more watchable with Heynick, in my opinion, than Wentz,
Speaker 1: so I I don't really care about what the team
Speaker 1: is doing. Who locked it up? Because of what Greg
Speaker 1: just said about the luckiest four game winning streak. I
Speaker 1: locked up the Vikings successfully. Thank you very much, great
Speaker 1: job justin. Good job, buddy, all right, another good employee. Hey,
Speaker 1: just one and done. I hit it and quit it
Speaker 1: appearance this week, shookie, but you nailed it as usual.
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Speaker 1: feels back to us, all getting fresh, He's gonna run
Speaker 1: with it, gets all and talked away by x Man
Speaker 1: who wanted say Brown that Ty got his hand in
Speaker 1: there and the Dolphins will escape the Chicago haralously Well.
Speaker 1: The defense van struggled most to stay, but they came
Speaker 1: up big lay just staying Jimmy Wow, Jimmy Cefalo and
Speaker 1: Joe Rose, the call w q A M. Everybody knows
Speaker 1: X Man is former NBA power forward Xavier McDaniel. Let's
Speaker 1: not go transferring the nickname teammates with the teammates with
Speaker 1: the glove back in the day, Very good, Mark, what well,
Speaker 1: it's a different sport NBA back in the day, during
Speaker 1: that day, that time period, that era where it is
Speaker 1: not so much now? What do you think about the
Speaker 1: Seattle Sonics now? I wish they still existed? Do you
Speaker 1: think do you think that I am like, do you
Speaker 1: think I would not know that that team did not exist?
Speaker 1: I don't tend to And this is in no way
Speaker 1: a takedown. I don't see you really as a sports
Speaker 1: fan as much as you are a fan of football
Speaker 1: and the Browns. That so, I didn't know whether you
Speaker 1: were totally plugged in on the move to Oklahoma City,
Speaker 1: for instance, it's a fair question to a Taco through
Speaker 1: for three touchdowns, Tyreek Hill had a hundred. You know
Speaker 1: he's gonna have over two thousand receiving yards if he
Speaker 1: stays healthy. Hundred forty three more for Tyreeke and the
Speaker 1: Dolphins somehow held off Justin Fields, who's all of a
Speaker 1: sudden saying, hey, I'm not just making the leap in
Speaker 1: year two. I'm heading toward the superstar club. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't enough to beat the Dolphins and they're high flying attack.
Speaker 1: Final score thirty five to thirty two. Let's welcome back
Speaker 1: Rave Digger, who helped us out with this game. Justin Uh,
Speaker 1: it feels like now it is to be assumed that
Speaker 1: two was gonna throw for three hundred and three touchdowns
Speaker 1: no matter the opponent. Too. It looks really good in
Speaker 1: this offense, and he's hitting guys over the middle of
Speaker 1: the field. Tyreek Hill said after the game that he's
Speaker 1: the most accurate quarterback in the NFL, again doubling down
Speaker 1: on his preseason comments. But I don't know if two
Speaker 1: was playing really well or if he's played two bad
Speaker 1: defenses in a row. Because the Bears defense could not
Speaker 1: get a stop in this game, but neither could the
Speaker 1: Dolphins defense. This was a real track of the game,
Speaker 1: and not just because Justin Field's literally sprinted sixty one
Speaker 1: yards to the end zone, but like just up and
Speaker 1: down the field, both teams piling on yards and it
Speaker 1: came down to those key stops. I mean, the blocked
Speaker 1: punt was the difference in this game, really, and when
Speaker 1: was that? What's the story that was in the first half?
Speaker 1: It put the Dolphins up twenty one to ten, but
Speaker 1: it was like they're only stopped the dolphins only stop
Speaker 1: of the first half, and it led to immediate seven points,
Speaker 1: which was obviously crucial and put the Bears in a
Speaker 1: hole that they continue to like claw their way back
Speaker 1: and make it a close game. But every time they
Speaker 1: got closed, the Dolphins would go ahead again two straight
Speaker 1: weeks and I I hear you, and I I was
Speaker 1: thinking the same thing because you know, the receivers are
Speaker 1: so so open for to and the Bears defense seemed
Speaker 1: to have phoned it in the last couple of weeks
Speaker 1: after trading way two of their best players. Eddie Jackson
Speaker 1: has been there forever said out loud this week, it
Speaker 1: makes me wonder if I should start, uh, you know, trying,
Speaker 1: Like why are we even trying here when when you're
Speaker 1: trading away our best player, Like we for pickted on Thursday.
Speaker 1: But this is gonna cause having inside that locker room,
Speaker 1: But how many offenses in two can just put thirty
Speaker 1: on the regular on bad defenses. There's like four maybe
Speaker 1: in Miami's one of them especially, so there is no
Speaker 1: such thing to me as like you're you're beating up
Speaker 1: on a bad defense because no other offenses essentially are
Speaker 1: doing that. That's kind of like, yeah, what my point was?
Speaker 1: I think this is just gonna be I And you
Speaker 1: gotta give a ton of credit to to Mike McDaniel
Speaker 1: m who obviously has a scheme that he's he's connecting
Speaker 1: with the players. It works, and to a who is
Speaker 1: a guy that was a huge figure of of suspicion
Speaker 1: and doubt. Um, I believe I have a sandwich prop
Speaker 1: about him not making it through the season as a starter.
Speaker 1: I was not alone in those doubts. But he is
Speaker 1: coming up and delivering and he's just a really good
Speaker 1: fit for the offense, which is ironic because remember when
Speaker 1: I remember I was in Disneyland with my kids, uh
Speaker 1: and my parents when the Tyreke trade went down, and
Speaker 1: the initial take was I don't know if it's a
Speaker 1: great fit with this quarterback, and blah blah blah. He
Speaker 1: is a perfect guy for this offense because the receivers
Speaker 1: get so open and he puts it on the money
Speaker 1: and lets them do the work. Um, but let's talk
Speaker 1: a little Justin Fields. I mean, this is unbelieval. He
Speaker 1: ran for one d and seventy eight yards in this game.
Speaker 1: That is the most ever by a quarterback. And Mark
Speaker 1: we're seeing this now. This is the guy that you
Speaker 1: know when they moved up to take him in the drift.
Speaker 1: This is the guy that they hoped they were getting.
Speaker 1: And it's a huge development in this season. I know,
Speaker 1: I know Bears fans want to be winning these games
Speaker 1: and it's it's almost impossible with their defense. But this
Speaker 1: has to be the most encouraging development for Chicago fans
Speaker 1: in a decade plus, if not two decades, three decades.
Speaker 1: They even had a quarterback for so long they made
Speaker 1: that NFC Championship game. Don't take that away from Jake Cutler,
Speaker 1: but for the exact reason that you kind of knew
Speaker 1: you didn't have the guy that was going to take
Speaker 1: you all the way. What's going on with with Justin
Speaker 1: Fields in the future? But when I only like Luke
Speaker 1: Etsy to me and what they because you know, it's
Speaker 1: a defensive head coach, Mattie Refluce ats he's running the
Speaker 1: show there and it reminds me. It gives me shades
Speaker 1: of what the Eagles did last year with Jalen Hurts,
Speaker 1: when it's like, let's tailor this around our quarterback. Let's
Speaker 1: become run heavy and get it anyway we can. And
Speaker 1: if you if justin Fields between now and next season
Speaker 1: the same way Ola Hurts did, grows even more as
Speaker 1: a passer you're looking at. I think right now, the
Speaker 1: second best running quarterback in the league behind Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: and maybe the best justin Fields was unstoppable with his
Speaker 1: legs today. I think there was only one third down
Speaker 1: he tried to take off with his legs that he
Speaker 1: didn't convert, and the Bears converted ten third downs on
Speaker 1: sixteen attempts today, which is I mean, just incredible. They
Speaker 1: really couldn't stop him when he ran the ball, and
Speaker 1: he actually made two plays on the final drive that
Speaker 1: could have been like at least leading to a game
Speaker 1: tying field goal or a game winning touchdown. The first
Speaker 1: one a little controversial targeting Claypool could have been called
Speaker 1: for pass interference could have should have especially with the
Speaker 1: way this game was officially. Did the first drive for
Speaker 1: each team they got some semi week past interference calls downfield,
Speaker 1: so like that one definitely should have been a past interference.
Speaker 1: And then we saw the highlight of the last play,
Speaker 1: which the announcers gave Zavian Howard credit for getting his
Speaker 1: hand in there, but that was that was a drop
Speaker 1: by Equinimius st Brown that Justin Fields made the right
Speaker 1: throw on the money and the receiver did not catch
Speaker 1: the ball, and then they lose the game. So that
Speaker 1: was not a stop right and and you know, there's
Speaker 1: a little concern. It's not like their traditional passing game
Speaker 1: for Fields work today they had add twenty three yards attempts.
Speaker 1: But if I'm the Dolphins, I'm getting a little concerned
Speaker 1: about the defense. I think one of the reasons they
Speaker 1: gave up a first round pick for Bradley Chubb is
Speaker 1: they've been a really disappointing defense this year. They've been
Speaker 1: i would say one of the more disappointing defense in
Speaker 1: the year. It's been totally papered over by the offense.
Speaker 1: But they're not expecting to be a bottom ten defense
Speaker 1: the same scheme, with the same some of the same players,
Speaker 1: so that that's a concern. They haven't been great and
Speaker 1: third and short and then just just before we move on.
Speaker 1: It is Luke getsy uh. Etsy is the online market
Speaker 1: place where people come together to sell by and I said,
Speaker 1: unique items, often like little trinkets, you know, hand by
Speaker 1: the way, Thanks a lot, Greg, that's a really great
Speaker 1: way to correct someone you're working with as a teammate
Speaker 1: for ten plus years on the show. There are serpents
Speaker 1: everywhere around you. Because someone got in my ear to say,
Speaker 1: call him out. He doesn't know how to say gets.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he didn't in my ear, and I shut it.
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I'm gonna let Mark roll here.
Speaker 1: But there was another snake slithering your way. But you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, confirmed behind the glass. There was
Speaker 1: no snake in my ear. I was the snake. I
Speaker 1: want to just like to make sure everyone knew that
Speaker 1: I must clarify the evil was all my own. If
Speaker 1: if it wasn't a funny online market place where you
Speaker 1: can get like little nice items. If you just want
Speaker 1: to kind of like you have your mood board and
Speaker 1: you're like looking to pick out some things, I'll buy
Speaker 1: you a mood board. Alright, let's keep moving, gentlemen. Let's
Speaker 1: head to a town Boone, that's Atlanta. And this will
Speaker 1: be for the game or overtime, Chargers winning a walk
Speaker 1: off if it goes through snap good, hold, good, kick
Speaker 1: us up. It is God. Cameron Decker for the win. Ah.
Speaker 1: There he is the erstwhile voice of God and the
Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast really always and forever. Matt money Smith,
Speaker 1: k Y s R. With the call. Cameron Dicker. Dicker
Speaker 1: the kicker, kicked a game ending field goal three days
Speaker 1: after he was signed as a free agent, and that
Speaker 1: lifted the Chargers over the Falcons twenty to seventeen. Dicker
Speaker 1: also made a thirty one yard or with five and
Speaker 1: a half minutes to play to tie the game. Also,
Speaker 1: I must say he went to the same college as
Speaker 1: Justin Graver, our producer, which apparently is very important. Why
Speaker 1: do you have why do you have to say that
Speaker 1: people like that stuff? I don't know it is a thing,
Speaker 1: Greggy Um. The Chargers found a way here, and despite
Speaker 1: them being somewhat underwhelming on balance this year, they get
Speaker 1: into like the halfway with their point half midway point
Speaker 1: of their season. Easy for me to say, in good
Speaker 1: shape at five and three. Yeah, they gave the game
Speaker 1: ball to old Dicker. I think it's the third different
Speaker 1: kicker that's gotten a game from Staley uh this season.
Speaker 1: After the game which only the Chargers could pop, I
Speaker 1: learned nothing about either of these teams. It was the
Speaker 1: most predictable game of the year in terms of all
Speaker 1: the strengths you expected, all those storylines, all the narratives
Speaker 1: throughout the courses. He's on both sides exactly played out.
Speaker 1: It's a great called. The narratives are are very strong
Speaker 1: with these two particular teams. It's back. It's like the
Speaker 1: short passing from Herbert never going downfield. Yep. Absolutely no
Speaker 1: pass rush for Atlanta, yep. Like Atlanta held the ball.
Speaker 1: Both these teams with these long drives in Atlanta started
Speaker 1: the game running it really well yep. And then of
Speaker 1: course there's a crazy ending that has to involve kickers,
Speaker 1: where something bizarre happens. The Charges little twist on it
Speaker 1: this time, though, was that as they're going in for
Speaker 1: the most perfect four minute drill of the season, and
Speaker 1: I always love it when the team gets it with
Speaker 1: just over four minutes left, and then the announcer explains
Speaker 1: the four minute drill. And we've watched a lot of football,
Speaker 1: so we've heard that explanation I'm not saying it's a
Speaker 1: bad idea, but they explained like, Okay, they want to
Speaker 1: take all the clockdown, and that's exactly what they were
Speaker 1: gonna do. It's a great example. That was a good example.
Speaker 1: Um No, it wasn't really right. They needed a touchdown there.
Speaker 1: The four minute drill is like, you want to take
Speaker 1: all the time off and then you want to you know,
Speaker 1: win it at the end, and you know you're just
Speaker 1: like bringing that game up. That also was a good game.
Speaker 1: That was a him down there, But this time as
Speaker 1: as like the Chargers are bleeding the clock and when
Speaker 1: they got the ball back, I was like, oh, the
Speaker 1: Charges are winning this game because every stop that Atlanta
Speaker 1: made and it felt both ways, felt like a miracle.
Speaker 1: In this game, they get inside the ten yard line,
Speaker 1: Austin Ekeler uh fumbles it and the Falcons pick it
Speaker 1: up and start running down the sideline, one of the
Speaker 1: plays of the year, and Heckler gets up field, gets inside,
Speaker 1: the ball comes out, well comes out the Falcons having
Speaker 1: up the right sideline, and that ball comes out again
Speaker 1: and the back fumbles. We gotta see if Heckler was
Speaker 1: down que up the Yakety sacks money loves it, so Greg,
Speaker 1: I think you tweeted this. It was like chargering verse
Speaker 1: falcon ng and no one lived right the take on
Speaker 1: Graham fumble. He shouldn't be blamed for it. The defensive
Speaker 1: woman who picked up the ball, But it was so
Speaker 1: sad because he wasn't touched. It wasn't like he was tackle.
Speaker 1: He was just a big man running with the ball,
Speaker 1: and eventually the ball came out. I love when fumble
Speaker 1: recovery guy fumbles. It's a rarity and it's it's enjoyable.
Speaker 1: So it happens a lot, actually a lot half the time.
Speaker 1: The guy who picks it up fumbles getting maybe getting
Speaker 1: a little greedy there, But he wasn't. He was just running.
Speaker 1: He was just running and the ball came out for
Speaker 1: no particular reason. And it's not used to it. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you if you have if you've self scouted yourself
Speaker 1: enough to know that if I'm running and untouched, I
Speaker 1: might just drop the ball, then you then you avoid that.
Speaker 1: I'd say credit to uh Herbert, though, who basically had
Speaker 1: to pull off two game winning drives on the same drive.
Speaker 1: Like Derwin James said, oh I knew they were resetting
Speaker 1: downs because I play Madden. Uh, you know, because the
Speaker 1: ball changed possession, so the Chargers then get a first
Speaker 1: down at the forty six, gotta get back in field
Speaker 1: goal range and with only thirty seconds left, and Herbert
Speaker 1: has like just a seed over the middle to Joshua Palmer.
Speaker 1: Any game you can survive without Keenan Allen and Mike
Speaker 1: Williams is a good One't you making a face on
Speaker 1: the seed? I'm just saying, no, no, no, I'm just reading.
Speaker 1: There's a standalone sentence paragraph in the ap Gamer that reads,
Speaker 1: teammates lifted dicker on their shoulders following the game winner.
Speaker 1: It's just funny. I know. It's a good sentence. They
Speaker 1: survived in advance. You know who's funny? Also Jonathan Vilma,
Speaker 1: who I like. He's one of the fox dudes. And
Speaker 1: he's a little rough around the edges as a broadcaster,
Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons I like him. Um,
Speaker 1: And he'll say things where you'll kind of do like
Speaker 1: a double take, like, oh, you don't usually hear that
Speaker 1: emmining out of a a booth in a professional setting.
Speaker 1: Let's listening to this. After a particularly vicious Quardurell Patterson run,
Speaker 1: he had two touchdowns in his return by the way,
Speaker 1: port Darryl Patterson, it's a grown man, Kenny. I am
Speaker 1: so glad I don't play cootballing though I don't want
Speaker 1: any part of that. Who just ran over a linebacker
Speaker 1: like that? Jesus Christ. It's like, you know what, every
Speaker 1: week Kenny Albert has to ask him like are you
Speaker 1: allowed to say that on television? Because they've s been
Speaker 1: like three or four of these moments. I felt that
Speaker 1: way drop by the way, Yeah, I felt that way.
Speaker 1: That was he stole that man soul. It was Drew
Speaker 1: Trequil who had it was? It was vicious. It was vicious,
Speaker 1: your boy Tyler aul Year by the way, forty four
Speaker 1: yard run, ninety nine yards on the ground. Um, so
Speaker 1: he's playing really. I do feel like you know when
Speaker 1: I pinpointed him and was giggled at by Greg a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. Um, that once again another fine
Speaker 1: performance by the young player. That's why I have seen
Speaker 1: a week is ticked off the clock in terms of processing.
Speaker 1: So now we're down to like six weeks and everything
Speaker 1: every you know, just in time for the wild card appearance.
Speaker 1: Speaking of processing, I do want Marcus Mariota to speed
Speaker 1: things up a little bit here sometimes when he does
Speaker 1: go back to pass and u and make a play.
Speaker 1: In terms of when they're improvising, did they they passed
Speaker 1: too much in this game, which I didn't think I
Speaker 1: would say about them, especially in the second half. They
Speaker 1: were passing too much on second and third downs when
Speaker 1: they could have just run the ball. And Mariota is
Speaker 1: just not an accurate quarterback at all. And like when
Speaker 1: he's trying to make a play out of nowhere, they
Speaker 1: never make a play well, like ty Kyle Pitts seven targets,
Speaker 1: two catches and there was one they had shots were
Speaker 1: like Mariota just was so off target. Everyone is under
Speaker 1: five hundred in the NFC South again now that Atlanta
Speaker 1: bad Division, Bad bad Division. Everybody is over five hundred
Speaker 1: in the a f C East, now by the way,
Speaker 1: great Division. We'll get to the Pigs in a little bit. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know who else thought they had a win today?
Speaker 1: The Raiders. But they did and they snapping quickly. He
Speaker 1: picked into the right inside the five. Puts down what
Speaker 1: puts down? Run by Trivasy Tan Jacksonville has taken the
Speaker 1: league right. There is a major candidate in the comeback
Speaker 1: Player of the Year race Travis Aten, who's becoming a
Speaker 1: star for the Jaguars. He ran for a hundred nine
Speaker 1: yards and two touchdowns, just spiting the vicious s Orpian
Speaker 1: woman Liz Frank. Revor Lawrence also played very well, bouncing
Speaker 1: back from some down efforts, and Jacksonville wins a close game.
Speaker 1: That's nice over the Raiders. However, Greggy, that doesn't tell
Speaker 1: the whole story here. At one point this thing looked
Speaker 1: like it was in the bag for the Silver and Black.
Speaker 1: Those are their colors, by the way. No, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was seventeen nothing and I wanted to start positive. We
Speaker 1: will get to positive Jaguars talk, but you lead me here,
Speaker 1: and so I might as well go seventeen nothing. In
Speaker 1: the first half of this game, Derek Carr played a
Speaker 1: perfect first half. Essentially, Davante Adams had nine catches uh
Speaker 1: I think, for over a hundred and thirty yards in
Speaker 1: the first half alone, or a hundred forty six yards
Speaker 1: in the first half alone, throwing two Davante Adams. In
Speaker 1: the second half, Derek Carr was one for eight throwing
Speaker 1: overall in the second half, Derek Carr was six for
Speaker 1: sixteen for thirty three yards. They actually got the ball
Speaker 1: four separate times after that ETN touchdown with the chance
Speaker 1: to take the lead, and they didn't do it anytime.
Speaker 1: It was really the Jaguars defense that ended up closing
Speaker 1: this game out. The Jaguars offense, per usual, kind of
Speaker 1: didn't quite finish it off, even though they did a
Speaker 1: much better job overall. You can't kill them when they
Speaker 1: came back from seventeen nothing. But there's just something about
Speaker 1: this Raiders team that they've got like a loser's mentality.
Speaker 1: Well it's there's an incredible stat out there. They are
Speaker 1: fifty three and five since the year two thousand when
Speaker 1: they've been leading by seventeen or more points in a game.
Speaker 1: Of those five losses, three of them have come this
Speaker 1: season under Josh McDaniels. It's even great. It was like
Speaker 1: they had lost three games up seventeen and their last
Speaker 1: six and eight games, and they have three this season.
Speaker 1: The Raiders have already given up as many seventeen point
Speaker 1: loss games, I mean, leads as any team in the
Speaker 1: history of the NFL. They've like tied the worst, and
Speaker 1: they've now got seven games to break that record. Mark.
Speaker 1: Davis is not al Davis at all. However, I wonder
Speaker 1: if there's some serious buyers remorse right now, um, after
Speaker 1: this just a horrendous season the Raiders are having and
Speaker 1: this remember rewind back to the end of August. This
Speaker 1: was not what anyone was expecting. And in fact, there
Speaker 1: were some people that thought that they could win the
Speaker 1: a f C West or at least give the Chiefs
Speaker 1: a real run for their money. So for them to
Speaker 1: be buried now at two and six and almost dead
Speaker 1: before we even sniff Thanksgiving is stunning. Let's hear Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: by the way, who um was biting his tongue to
Speaker 1: say the least when asked about what has gone wrong
Speaker 1: with this team? Third time any similar similar feeling everything
Speaker 1: should look back on. You know, I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot I want to say, you know, but if I'm honest,
Speaker 1: I don't need to say it here, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, And there's things that that will be said.
Speaker 1: There are things that need to be addressed in all
Speaker 1: those things. But I think for as a whole of
Speaker 1: the urgency part of it that after thirty minutes of football,
Speaker 1: we have to learn that the game is not over.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, he he was was an accent
Speaker 1: right there. This is the accent. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: like this like weird sort of a stew of accing
Speaker 1: that like gets more dominant as he continues Fresno. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's like an accent in Fresno. And then he went
Speaker 1: to uh. I think he lived in Texas for a
Speaker 1: big tech chunk of his life. Sounds like Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: brother Keetis who never left Oklahoma. Like, I love that quarterback.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we heard that because you know, I I
Speaker 1: think he has to be self reflective because the comeback
Speaker 1: started in the first half when Carr had an open
Speaker 1: a mirror Abdullah for a touchdown and totally underthrew it
Speaker 1: and that led to three points stead of seven, and
Speaker 1: car missed a ton of throws in the second half.
Speaker 1: There was some miscommunications, but the game ended with him
Speaker 1: not giving Davante Adam Adams a chance to make a
Speaker 1: catch on the back shoulder throw and then he's too
Speaker 1: hot for Hunter Renfro throwing it like really hot and
Speaker 1: and too hard and high on fourth down, and that's
Speaker 1: how the game ended. Like it was a it was
Speaker 1: a rough second half, but I give the Jaguars credit
Speaker 1: who sent a lot of blitz is his way, who
Speaker 1: did create a lot of pressure. I got. I've been
Speaker 1: getting on their defense, and their defense had a nice
Speaker 1: day and Lawrence had I think We've said this a
Speaker 1: few times this year, but I really do think this
Speaker 1: was the best game of his career. It couldn't have
Speaker 1: been any cleaner, like Next Chance that's had it as
Speaker 1: the highest success rate for drop back passing since my
Speaker 1: Homes game last year, which that was surprising to me,
Speaker 1: but it makes sense because basically every time they dropped
Speaker 1: back to pass they picked up seven or eight yards.
Speaker 1: And like he made no mistakes, there was nothing flashy,
Speaker 1: but he also ran for fifty three yards. That was
Speaker 1: key to come back. He played well. The one thing
Speaker 1: that I think is really concerning for the Raiders too,
Speaker 1: is I started to get on board a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago, thinking the way they're running the ball, this
Speaker 1: can be their identity. Thirty eight yards last week in
Speaker 1: an absolute no show twenty four nothing lost to the Saints,
Speaker 1: seventies something. Today against the defense, you can run on right.
Speaker 1: They they're bad with the lead. I think because other
Speaker 1: teams they should be able to run with the lead.
Speaker 1: But they're bad because then other teams just start throwing
Speaker 1: every down and that's great against the Raiders because they
Speaker 1: just can't cover anyone, especially over the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk it wasn't flashy eight for seventies and one,
Speaker 1: but he was awesome his route running, in the quality
Speaker 1: of his catches he made him and Lawrence of good
Speaker 1: chemistry all year. Doubt is a disease, and the Raiders
Speaker 1: have it comes to closing these games. Um, let's take
Speaker 1: a break and we'll continue on Welcome back. Let's now
Speaker 1: move to Foxborough, the site of the Lockies lock that
Speaker 1: there was ever a lock of it was Lockyer picture Staff.
Speaker 1: He's in the end zone. He's pressured to throw a
Speaker 1: cross and picked off by Jonathan Jones. Runs down an
Speaker 1: attack of right zone. What a day for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: Partner back, but you roll Bosaw the pill there it's
Speaker 1: an under Dave crosser. Bulk gets tipped, chowes to the
Speaker 1: perfect spot, goes down to the knee, picks it up,
Speaker 1: gets the lead. Park text it in far pick six
Speaker 1: is that I don't think I've ever heard Zolac give
Speaker 1: analysis like that. No, that was later in depth and
Speaker 1: there's more of a retelling of the play. But even
Speaker 1: even then, yes for him though inaudible, like yelps and
Speaker 1: screams in between, like you know, chugging a beer too.
Speaker 1: I would assume I don't know that for sure. Bob
Speaker 1: Sochi and Powerade with a call for w b's Matt
Speaker 1: Judean and Josh ch combined for six of nine Patriots sacks.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Matt Older is a guy in
Speaker 1: the New England. Patriots beat up on the Colts to three.
Speaker 1: The Pats are five and four, moving above five hundred
Speaker 1: for the first time this season as they reach there
Speaker 1: by week, followed by that big showdown against the Jets.
Speaker 1: Mark um I said, this is the lockiest lock game
Speaker 1: ever because me, you, Grave Digger, and the westling uh
Speaker 1: Zoo all locked it up and it kind of went
Speaker 1: exactly how we predicted. It looks like, yeah, I did,
Speaker 1: I just I yeah, keep it going. I had to
Speaker 1: play it three times for three locks. I did not
Speaker 1: lock them up. Also, you said, Matt Ellinger, it's Sam.
Speaker 1: That's okay, Horns. These guys love to these guys love
Speaker 1: to put us on the spot here with these names.
Speaker 1: Um who knows I would have come around and corrected myself,
Speaker 1: but then Justin chose once again to sandbag the host
Speaker 1: of the show and learned my lesson from lesson. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't like jump in immediately. You could let it go,
Speaker 1: thank you. It was still a slimy procedure by you.
Speaker 1: Sorry brand by the best Man Ellinger, that would be
Speaker 1: a funny nick name, like just a very sarcastic the
Speaker 1: best Man. We did a great job, very well. It
Speaker 1: went well. I told the joke that everyone on the
Speaker 1: Friday Fund Show told me not to tell with a
Speaker 1: lot better delivery, and the entire place erupted in la,
Speaker 1: Why did why did it work better? Do you think
Speaker 1: it was Kansas funny? Yeah, it's like middle of the country.
Speaker 1: But also the joke had been a running bit throughout
Speaker 1: like the whole day, so it was like a nice
Speaker 1: so original too. You know what what did you mean
Speaker 1: by Kansas funny? There? Um No, I just think different values,
Speaker 1: different sense of humor. Uh, probably more in line and
Speaker 1: like CBS said, come yeah, things like that. Plus, you're
Speaker 1: rooting for someone at a wedding, should say any thing
Speaker 1: kind of light and then everyone's gonna over. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that this was over celebrated. It certainly feels that
Speaker 1: way to me. But common man rings just taking a
Speaker 1: little that's fine. I think there's probably a lot of
Speaker 1: people in Kansas also with a very cerebral sense of
Speaker 1: humor that like shows like Arrested Development and absolutely those
Speaker 1: type of absolutely shows. I'm just saying this crowd in
Speaker 1: particular seemed to it's a multifaceted community. I mean, it erupted.
Speaker 1: He made it sound like it was. They were also
Speaker 1: like Chris Rock and Madison Square guards who were willing
Speaker 1: and ready to laugh at anything. And you can see
Speaker 1: that grave digger by the way that you can understand
Speaker 1: the environment that you were that you were successful in
Speaker 1: from a comedic angle. Absolutely right after I was so
Speaker 1: unsuccessful on Friday, I understand why it was a different
Speaker 1: situation right right now? Was it for cults? Patriots? Go ahead? Well,
Speaker 1: I just think Matt Ryan was in a bad position.
Speaker 1: Sam Elinger is in a bad position. You're paying You're
Speaker 1: you're playing behind the most expensive offensive line in the
Speaker 1: NFL right now, And it's just the shock how far
Speaker 1: they've regressed. We've been seeing it all year. They opened
Speaker 1: the game with six punts, including the block punt that
Speaker 1: basically ended the game, because all the Pats needed to
Speaker 1: do in this was like put up thirteen points. And
Speaker 1: to your point, it's about the lockiest lock of all time.
Speaker 1: The Cults were oh and fourteen on third down. That's
Speaker 1: kind of hard to do. Almost at the NFL record
Speaker 1: was the NFL record. That's the only thing they achieved
Speaker 1: was not setting the record. There's Ellinger at forty three
Speaker 1: net yards passing because he had sixty yards lost on
Speaker 1: these nine sacks. I mean just there was not a
Speaker 1: single drive where it really looked like he had a
Speaker 1: chance or they had a chance. There was no Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were in a tough spot against the
Speaker 1: kind of in the kind of game that Bill Belichick
Speaker 1: sits around dreaming of having to deal with an Ellinger
Speaker 1: not deal with he had to deal with Belichick and reverse. Um.
Speaker 1: It was a blood bath and I'm not that impressed.
Speaker 1: The only reason I thought the game was a little
Speaker 1: questionable for our lock early on was that the Pats
Speaker 1: offensively are a paint by numbers. Um I sare and
Speaker 1: Mac Jones just looks to me continually, it looks uncomfortable
Speaker 1: and Ramandre Stevenson is running the ball really well, and
Speaker 1: he has been for a while now, and he was
Speaker 1: sort of all they had with no Damian Harris. But
Speaker 1: they grew stronger as the game went on, but not
Speaker 1: so much their offense. And because the I think guys
Speaker 1: like the Forrest Buckner and the Cults offensive line handle
Speaker 1: the Pats Colts defensive line handle the Pats front five
Speaker 1: that were missing guys, and it did. It was. It
Speaker 1: was a tough watch. It was. It was a rough
Speaker 1: and tumble rot watch that like cool if you're the Patriots,
Speaker 1: nice win. I wouldn't float around town bragging about it
Speaker 1: all week long, right They they average three point defense though,
Speaker 1: like the Patriots average three yards for three point three
Speaker 1: yards per play, which would be you know, one of
Speaker 1: if it was. It felt like it was six and
Speaker 1: a half hours long. There was a total of nineteen
Speaker 1: first downs in this game. The Colts only average two
Speaker 1: yards per play. It's crazy to me that the Patriots
Speaker 1: are five and four and they really have shown an
Speaker 1: ability too steam roll and smother bad or limited quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: They don't have a ton of them, right, They don't
Speaker 1: have a ton of them left on the schedule. But
Speaker 1: they do have Zack Wilson after the bye. Because if
Speaker 1: this Patriots team even had the one Patriots passing offense,
Speaker 1: you would say this is a very spicy team that
Speaker 1: could make some noise in the playoffs. They aren't that
Speaker 1: team five and four, they're probably seven wins. I Uh.
Speaker 1: I give Matthew jude On a lot of love. Though
Speaker 1: they don't make a lot of big free agent splashes.
Speaker 1: Uh And I guess they have more than they've been
Speaker 1: given credit for over the years. But when they signed him,
Speaker 1: that was a surprising move. Was surprising that the Ravens
Speaker 1: let him go, and he went from having a great
Speaker 1: year a year ago to an even greater year this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is having an outrageous all pro type
Speaker 1: of season, and despite their personnel looking terrible on paper
Speaker 1: coming into the year, overall, I mean, they're like a
Speaker 1: top five points allowed defense. Now, he's my guy. You
Speaker 1: got on him a little bit at the end of
Speaker 1: last year, but he was hurt. I think he's one
Speaker 1: of your guys. He was at the beginning of last year.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always liked I've always liked. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: that's good. They get a week off they can enjoy.
Speaker 1: Justin why did he go to you two or something
Speaker 1: while you're throwing your arms up. No, nothing, I'm being
Speaker 1: a professional. Keep a podcasting the tight ends. Have you
Speaker 1: paid attention to to any of this? And do you
Speaker 1: feel ashamed that Sam Ellinger went to your college at
Speaker 1: this point? No, we're doing this again. Sam Ellinger's last
Speaker 1: year at UT he had no past diortunity and I
Speaker 1: expected him to look bad for the Colts, and he's
Speaker 1: looked pretty bad. So by the way, Colts to finish
Speaker 1: fourth in the ANFC South, not that looking that bad anymore. Jonathan,
Speaker 1: They're still there. Jonathan Jones had a spicy blocked punt
Speaker 1: in this and then the interception at the end. I
Speaker 1: mean he had a great yard. Their defense. I like
Speaker 1: when I say, don't float around town bragging about the wind.
Speaker 1: The defense ken one half of the team game. The
Speaker 1: other half must stay home during the bye week and
Speaker 1: reflect quietly. Another team that's reflecting right now the Panthers,
Speaker 1: because they got whooped in Cincinnati. Brow takes the snap,
Speaker 1: gives the Nixon bouncing out wide to the left penalty
Speaker 1: at the ten five into the end zone for what
Speaker 1: could be his fifth touchdown off side defense. About how
Speaker 1: about that a fifteen yard one for Joe Mixon, who
Speaker 1: has just set the single the Bengal single game record
Speaker 1: with five touchdowns in a game, and we still have
Speaker 1: nearly twenty minutes to play and he didn't even score
Speaker 1: a single touchdown after that, slacker, five touchdowns for Joe Nixon,
Speaker 1: they don't all. Land Mark looked at me like an
Speaker 1: an elbow grown out of my poor No. I like
Speaker 1: what you did there? You gave me a very solemn
Speaker 1: like I was just my mind was on something. Are
Speaker 1: you watching the Titans Chiefs game? Also, just if you're
Speaker 1: someone listening at home, there is a like a seventy
Speaker 1: television have to go full dad and say no more television.
Speaker 1: In the studio, I was trying to do two things
Speaker 1: at once because I'm in front of the TV, so
Speaker 1: I can't see it. But I'm starting to worry that
Speaker 1: first the producer and now one of the co hosts
Speaker 1: maybe aren't paying attention to the podcast anymore during the taping.
Speaker 1: Your joke was brilliant when I came around to recording it.
Speaker 1: In my mind anyway, Joe makes pressure under in fifty
Speaker 1: three yards and yes, five touchdowns, four on the ground,
Speaker 1: one through the air. Bengals jumped out ahead thirty five
Speaker 1: zip in this game, basically telling Greg Rostal, by the way,
Speaker 1: hit the break on all your criticisms of our offense
Speaker 1: and our offensive line, because we could do this was
Speaker 1: the final which doesn't even begin to tell those three
Speaker 1: garbage time touchdowns led by Baker Mayfield. By the way,
Speaker 1: um Mark, what did you see in this game? Why
Speaker 1: was it's so easy for Cincinnati? It's so hard for
Speaker 1: p J Walker, who was history by halftime. I think
Speaker 1: we talked about week after week that where is the
Speaker 1: ground game from a year ago and the balance that
Speaker 1: it brings to an offense missing chase, and it came.
Speaker 1: It just came in waves today and mixing looked like
Speaker 1: last year's mixing. It was. It was absolute domination at halftime,
Speaker 1: because I don't really account anything that happened after halftime
Speaker 1: in this game. It was just like ultra garbage time.
Speaker 1: Three eleven yards to thirty two, twenty one first downs
Speaker 1: to one first down for the floating Panthers, twenty one
Speaker 1: plus minutes of time possession. So a lot of what
Speaker 1: happened was the Carolina offense totally breaking down and unable
Speaker 1: to sustain anything. P J. Walker was yanked at halftime
Speaker 1: for Baker Mayfield because he was three for ten for
Speaker 1: nine yards with two bad interceptions. So you're saying it
Speaker 1: wasn't a good fantasy spots start in my two QB league. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am saying that. I'm sure you figured that out
Speaker 1: before I confirmed that for you. But if this is
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, because it's like what was
Speaker 1: going on Monday night and then you're this, It's like,
Speaker 1: are you that sort of all over the map as
Speaker 1: a as a Bengals team. But if if there's anything
Speaker 1: to take forward, if they can do this on the
Speaker 1: ground and be this balanced, it changes everything. It changes
Speaker 1: the way that a defense is going to deal with
Speaker 1: the Bengals. Today it's showed up and it just like
Speaker 1: kind of reminded me of when they started to turn
Speaker 1: the corner a year ago. It looked like that team.
Speaker 1: They're high level games this year and really there's been
Speaker 1: a few, but two in the last three weeks against
Speaker 1: lackluster opponents are as high level offense as we've seen
Speaker 1: in the NFL this year, and it gives you some hope,
Speaker 1: especially with the buy and the schedules reasonable that they
Speaker 1: can survive. Because the a f C is deeper, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be tougher to make the playoffs in the a
Speaker 1: f C. We'll see if the Ravens win on Monday night,
Speaker 1: but you know it's gonna be tough to win that
Speaker 1: Division two. It's huge to win as many games as
Speaker 1: you can until Chase gets back. Yeah, and that, and
Speaker 1: you're right, they're hitting their by now. So you've survived
Speaker 1: two weeks without Chase. You have a win and a loss.
Speaker 1: The I mean the Cleveland game on Monday. I don't
Speaker 1: want to call it an aberration because that was but
Speaker 1: maybe it was though. It's these division games. Just take
Speaker 1: on an island game on the road against the rival
Speaker 1: that kind of owns you. Uh. It was not a
Speaker 1: good look. But at the same time, every team has stinkers,
Speaker 1: uh now and again, So I'm willing to I was
Speaker 1: willing to be open minded about how they would recover
Speaker 1: from that. And I know the Panthers stink, but they
Speaker 1: also were very competitive the week before and a near
Speaker 1: win over before that. They couldn't get over they they
Speaker 1: recorded the greatest play in the history of the NFL,
Speaker 1: Dan and I wasn't recovered from it on a Thursday.
Speaker 1: Weren't either. That ended up being like the end of
Speaker 1: his start going through P J. Walker's head. While he's
Speaker 1: sitting in the locker room bench, he's saying, seven days ago,
Speaker 1: I made the greatest play in the history of the sport,
Speaker 1: and now my careers in tatters. What what the pinballing
Speaker 1: of the word? It's one of the reasons I love
Speaker 1: it so much. You do love the NFL. I've been
Speaker 1: I've been picking that. You know who else loves the NFL.
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention this, but during the Colts Patriots game,
Speaker 1: when it was still very low scoring, Mark Sessler was
Speaker 1: quoted saying, I love this game so much. Well about Patriots.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because it was so Maybe this
Speaker 1: isn't get that out there. It's not everyone's, but it
Speaker 1: feels good to football when it's so When a game
Speaker 1: is so bad and I could tell it was going
Speaker 1: to be so bad, it's like I start to love it.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, I love these blowouts and
Speaker 1: I was covering it was a great little perfect Mark
Speaker 1: likes it that his games are so bad that he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to watch his games and then he watches
Speaker 1: the other games. That's a weird it's a weirdo E game.
Speaker 1: It follows a path um. All right, let's take a
Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back. All right, it's time
Speaker 1: to check in on the late games and let's head
Speaker 1: to the desert where the Cardinals we're facing the surging Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Ken Walker has a hundred four yards on the day
Speaker 1: on carries, first and goal from the five. He's gonna
Speaker 1: carry it again and he's gonna turn up field and
Speaker 1: he's gonna try to spin out of a tack. He
Speaker 1: gets a push, does he get there? He done cut
Speaker 1: down Shawks and they just shoved him across the line
Speaker 1: to make you can't knock this kid off his seat.
Speaker 1: And he scores his second touchdown of the game and
Speaker 1: all but seals it. Steve are able to call k
Speaker 1: I r O. The Seahawks are at it again and
Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker a major reason why the rookie runs hard
Speaker 1: for buck O nine and two scores, including that clinter
Speaker 1: you heard. Their final score thirty one one Seahawks over Cardinals,
Speaker 1: the first place Seattle Seahawks. Greggy, another special day for you.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you said, you're enjoying the football today. I've
Speaker 1: enjoyed this Seahawks team more than maybe anyone except for
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. This has to be a fever dream. This
Speaker 1: is the team that he's dreamed of forever. There are
Speaker 1: people that have followed that team their entire long. I've
Speaker 1: been a lifelong fan the last eight weeks now nine weeks,
Speaker 1: and my enjoyment is right there. I don't really believe that,
Speaker 1: but I do believe that this is everything Pete Carroll's
Speaker 1: ever wanted out of a football team. Like young long
Speaker 1: range cornerbacks just breaking up plays in a pass rush
Speaker 1: full of like three and twenty pound men, Shelby Harris
Speaker 1: and Punaford. Nu also who's a little lighter, but he's
Speaker 1: getting in the mix in this game and harassing Murray.
Speaker 1: And they're so young, and they're so exciting. And you
Speaker 1: have a decision maker in Geno that, for the most
Speaker 1: part is making really great throws and good decisions. Had
Speaker 1: it up and down day today but ended up playing
Speaker 1: well at the end. But most importantly, you've got a
Speaker 1: running game that closes the ball game. Kenneth Walker came
Speaker 1: into this week leading the NFL and yards per carry
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, and it was another fourth quarter
Speaker 1: where the Seahawks just wore another team down. And this
Speaker 1: guy just makes you miss He's so creative when he runs.
Speaker 1: I don't know who he reminds me of. To me,
Speaker 1: he's like one of one. He's he's got a little
Speaker 1: bit of Levian Bell and him, but it's not Levian Bell.
Speaker 1: I know. He's like got the patient thing where he
Speaker 1: waits forever and sometimes he's looking for a big play
Speaker 1: and it costs him. That happened today once or twice.
Speaker 1: But my god, is he a talented back. And he
Speaker 1: closed this Cardinals team out no matter what they did
Speaker 1: on defense. Dream scenario for Pete Carrother because he does
Speaker 1: have a young dog that he could hand the ball
Speaker 1: off to. CA nine is his nickname? Is it? That's great.
Speaker 1: That's a perfect game, as long as he's not offended
Speaker 1: by it. Now it's his. He's got his own very
Speaker 1: professional website where you can get I'm just saying it's
Speaker 1: really well done to it. This is gonna sound like
Speaker 1: Dan's doing the Geno thing again. I'm not. It's more
Speaker 1: kind of like good for Gino because he's having such
Speaker 1: a great season. That even it seems like he gets
Speaker 1: away with his mistakes for the most part. Two and
Speaker 1: he he threw a pick six in the game, didn't
Speaker 1: get away with that kind of screen, and had a
Speaker 1: couple of a couple of balls that probably should have
Speaker 1: been picked, including one that preceded his last touchdown pass.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, even when he's the old Geno,
Speaker 1: that's that's getting papered over by either good fortune or
Speaker 1: him making up for it later in the game. So
Speaker 1: I just I'm just like I watched Gino because I've
Speaker 1: watched so many of his games in my life, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, that guy is still in there. But this
Speaker 1: is also starting to feel like one of those kind
Speaker 1: of special seasons where things just go right for him,
Speaker 1: and that I'm trying not to take any credit away
Speaker 1: from him, and it sounds like it is. But if
Speaker 1: you watch this game, you'll notice this game could have
Speaker 1: been very different if Arizona just made some plays that
Speaker 1: they did. I mean to pick six was an incredibly
Speaker 1: unique play by Zavin Collins. It wasn't just a terribly
Speaker 1: thrown ball or something or him not seeing the field.
Speaker 1: I think that Gino the thing I like about him
Speaker 1: is that every week he's gonna give you four or
Speaker 1: five throws that are beautiful and he I you know,
Speaker 1: they talked about this, and maybe this doesn't matter to
Speaker 1: most people, but they've talked about the fact to your
Speaker 1: point on Pete Carroll that Pete Carroll, like Geno Smith,
Speaker 1: is just Pete Carroll's kind of quarterback. That he has
Speaker 1: a special that city has a special affinity for the
Speaker 1: journey has been on. I think to go be believed
Speaker 1: in by your coach and believed in by your team,
Speaker 1: that matters, and it helps you get out of some
Speaker 1: of the dark places you get into. And he's done that.
Speaker 1: He hasn't had a lot of bad quarters. But today,
Speaker 1: you know, early on it was like, we'll see, is
Speaker 1: this the Geno game we're waiting for? And he worked
Speaker 1: his way out of it, right. I think Vance Joseph,
Speaker 1: the coordinator for the Cardinals, threw a lot at him.
Speaker 1: And Gino is a guy who wins before the snap,
Speaker 1: you know, much like is a former mentor Eli Manning.
Speaker 1: The similarities continue, uh, And I don't think he knew
Speaker 1: exactly what he've seen before the snap a lot of time,
Speaker 1: and he was holding onto the ball too long. That's
Speaker 1: an old Gino trade and he took a couple of
Speaker 1: bad sex but the difference Dan and you mentioned like
Speaker 1: he he lucked out on one near interception in the
Speaker 1: red zone, uh is one of his worst throw where
Speaker 1: he just a soft throw to DK metcalf that he
Speaker 1: should have put up higher and it probably should have
Speaker 1: been picked. The very next play, he puts a dime
Speaker 1: on a defender's back shoulder, which the hood spot to
Speaker 1: make that throw even in tight quarters after you nearly
Speaker 1: threw an interception was incredible and DK makes a great
Speaker 1: catch and they score, So you're right, like right after
Speaker 1: he made two of his worst throws of the game.
Speaker 1: He followed that with dimes for touchdowns and I'm having
Speaker 1: a great year. I am not, don't and I know,
Speaker 1: I know I'm agree with you on Twitter or wherever
Speaker 1: the hell else, but like it's just he has made
Speaker 1: some mistakes. He's gotten away with it. But he did
Speaker 1: agree with this was one of his worst games for
Speaker 1: most of it. But like the rest of the team,
Speaker 1: they've really had a good, uh sense of closing out
Speaker 1: these games in the second half really all season, but
Speaker 1: especially I'm totally this the once the defense uh has
Speaker 1: gotten things figured out here and we had another big
Speaker 1: game by their off sense of Rookie of the Year
Speaker 1: candidate in the secondary, they're they're just they're having a
Speaker 1: really nice run now with the defense, the running game,
Speaker 1: and the Geno Smith led passing game. They're all they're humming,
Speaker 1: right yeah. And it's I mean, the division they're in,
Speaker 1: you would have thought that Arizona and the Rams would
Speaker 1: have been serious playoff contenders and and and like so
Speaker 1: much of the NFC, they're falling off a cliff. And
Speaker 1: I feel like every time I looked up at this game,
Speaker 1: it was another Arizona Cardinals moment where Billy Price is,
Speaker 1: you know, whipping the snap over Kyler Murray's head, got
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopkins joined at each other. I
Speaker 1: kind of thought that was more just like teammates trying
Speaker 1: to like But Greg and I talked about this a
Speaker 1: bunch that Kyler Murray, Uh, I think he really really
Speaker 1: is obviously frustrated and wants this stuff to go better.
Speaker 1: But his body language and facial expressions and leaning into
Speaker 1: people verbally on the sideline is another week to week thing,
Speaker 1: and I they can't get past their own mistakes. They've
Speaker 1: been a better offense, obviously with DeAndre Hopkins, who has
Speaker 1: like four the targets in three games this one. Willand
Speaker 1: did a nice job on him when he was on him,
Speaker 1: and in general that he didn't do much. I guess
Speaker 1: my point there would be it's it's not enough and
Speaker 1: Anderson has given him nothing so far. Negative in this game.
Speaker 1: Uh played poorly. Um so it's four yards. Jason Zumwalt,
Speaker 1: the the new voice of the show that he here
Speaker 1: in a long time Cardinals fan. He suggests that we
Speaker 1: don't even talk about the Cardinals today as a punishment
Speaker 1: for how atrocious they've been unbalanced, that would be rewarding
Speaker 1: them ultimately. And I agree with you. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: deserve this verbal lashing. And here's I know they got
Speaker 1: better when DeAndre Hopkins returned, but today it was back
Speaker 1: to the same old five yards per throw Kyler Murray.
Speaker 1: We're just there was nothing deep down the field at all.
Speaker 1: Like the only offense that they consistently had came from
Speaker 1: Kyler scrambling. They had a couple of decent runs from
Speaker 1: from James Conner, but the passing game, it's another team
Speaker 1: that they've kind of shown us who they are. There
Speaker 1: are stations to station bad offensive line offense. And you
Speaker 1: mentioned him getting upset. The thing that got me about
Speaker 1: Kyler getting so upset was like it was the first
Speaker 1: quarter and he was losing his mind. It reminded me
Speaker 1: a little like sometimes you see in a big tennis match.
Speaker 1: I know, I know you love the tennis analogies, but
Speaker 1: the guy when the guys are so edgy early in
Speaker 1: the match and getting upset at like a not important
Speaker 1: point in like the first set, it's like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: gonna he's not there. And that's what Kyler Murray is
Speaker 1: sometimes in these games, like he's so frustrated at everyone
Speaker 1: and it's like it's, uh, seven to three Kyler. Your
Speaker 1: point is he's not John McEnroe, who would get upset
Speaker 1: but then go win. Well, there you go little tennis
Speaker 1: with my wife and two small children and utterly destroyed
Speaker 1: them on the court. You know, I have tennis, I
Speaker 1: played tennis as a child. I think I have underestimated
Speaker 1: your global sports fandom. Yeah, you need to just like
Speaker 1: maybe data wipe your preconceived notions start again. Not to
Speaker 1: mention his talent, he crushed those boys who have never
Speaker 1: played tennis before. I think I might have might have
Speaker 1: eliminated their enjoyment of the sports that day. Hey, that's one.
Speaker 1: That's that's also teaching a lesson no one to quit
Speaker 1: one last thing on the Seahawks. Here, by the way,
Speaker 1: they're going to Germany. They're going to Germany at six
Speaker 1: and three. This is like a thing. Why you going
Speaker 1: to Germany at this point? Brady? This is like my
Speaker 1: dream game here. We give him the week off, right,
Speaker 1: if you wanted to go follow his little new fetish,
Speaker 1: would yeah, I'd clear that. I mean the NFL has
Speaker 1: not cleared that, but I think it's too late for that.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the other late game played
Speaker 1: in Tampa, and man are the Rams dead? Mhm? The
Speaker 1: champs might be dead first and Noel Brady on the
Speaker 1: shotgun on and shift to the right side. Here's this
Speaker 1: didn't play actually fake passing the right side? Pockball touch
Speaker 1: off time Perry fucking hears technical lead what a right
Speaker 1: seconds traight off farag car look can fifteen thirteen buss
Speaker 1: ge off wf U S. Tom Brady stepped to the
Speaker 1: podium after over the defending Super Bowl champion Rams and
Speaker 1: said that was awesome. That was bleeping awesome because the Bucks,
Speaker 1: in another day where they often struggled, they got the
Speaker 1: touchdown they needed, taking over with forty four seconds to play,
Speaker 1: and they go right down the field on the Rams,
Speaker 1: who are just dying after their offense could not salt
Speaker 1: away the wind. H So Brady gets it done. Greg.
Speaker 1: This was right after Mark, excuse me, this was right
Speaker 1: after the previous drive where it looked like the Bucks
Speaker 1: had lost the game because another brutal wide receiver dropped
Speaker 1: by Scotty Miller in the end zone. But they get
Speaker 1: another chance and they make the most of it huge
Speaker 1: in Yeah, I guess whoever won this, you're going to
Speaker 1: avoid some of the heavy critique that would be coming
Speaker 1: your way had you been the loser. Because there's a
Speaker 1: reason that we put this game here initially. Now it
Speaker 1: it finished more with more drama than we expected. But
Speaker 1: three and a half quarters in, this was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a punishment here. We were a bit we
Speaker 1: were lashing a bit for for being, you know, running around,
Speaker 1: being called the game of the week and all this business,
Speaker 1: and then you produce a real stinkers running around town.
Speaker 1: The well it was actually the game was running around everywhere.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, you think the Bills, that Jets are there,
Speaker 1: Who's got Romo, Who's gotten NaN's worth? The game of
Speaker 1: the week. That's how I see it, Like we're the best.
Speaker 1: The Rams, I mean have unfixable issues. They have two
Speaker 1: hundred and six yards of offense. Your offensive line, I
Speaker 1: mean they kept short of showing it over and over
Speaker 1: Like Vita Vea was one of the MP of this game,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons he's awesome. Those there
Speaker 1: were showing to the left side of the Rams line
Speaker 1: just had these like open doorways where you can just
Speaker 1: skirt through and create total problems for like both sides.
Speaker 1: Like I just I don't I think Stafford. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: A year ago, Brady and Stafford at eighty four touchdowns combined.
Speaker 1: They went into this game with sixteen. The Rams can't
Speaker 1: run the ball. Sean McVeigh said after not good enough,
Speaker 1: not even close to good enough. And I'm part of that,
Speaker 1: And he said changes have to be made, and he
Speaker 1: reiterated that that's part of him. Part that includes him too.
Speaker 1: They showed on the sideline after the go ahead touchdown
Speaker 1: McVeigh and he just seemed just like a guy that
Speaker 1: was ready for the broadcast booth himself. And Tony Romo, Um,
Speaker 1: who's in the booth with nance calling this game even
Speaker 1: though it's an NFC game, that always still messes with
Speaker 1: my head. Um for CBS. He brought up and I
Speaker 1: brought up Aaron Donald and how he hadn't had a
Speaker 1: big year um in terms of getting to the quarterback
Speaker 1: this year. And Romo provided some nice context on what
Speaker 1: he's seen when he watches the tape, which is that
Speaker 1: because they have so much issue, so many issues in
Speaker 1: their secondary not Jalen Ramsey, but on the other side
Speaker 1: they have they have they have such a big cushion
Speaker 1: that they give the opposing wide receivers that opposing offenses
Speaker 1: are just attacking the Rams getting the ball out quickly,
Speaker 1: negating Aaron Donald to a certain effect, certain extent. And
Speaker 1: you didn't see the Bucks light up the Rams defense
Speaker 1: by any stretch. But in that last series, the ease
Speaker 1: in which they went right down the field and basically
Speaker 1: wiped out the Rams, it was like stunning to watch
Speaker 1: the d look that bad. Well, they're but they're deep
Speaker 1: played amazing in this game, but they got away with
Speaker 1: the previous drive. Greg Scotty Miller dropped. The point is
Speaker 1: they got the ball the Buccaneers seven times in the
Speaker 1: second half, every one of those with a chance to
Speaker 1: go take the lead, and they kept getting stopped punt,
Speaker 1: punt downs, punts, and these aren't like go down the
Speaker 1: field and punt. These are like three and outs or
Speaker 1: one first down. They got that field goal, and then yes,
Speaker 1: they did get lucky at the end. But Tom Brady
Speaker 1: used all of his experience in that drive. He played
Speaker 1: hurry up even when the ball was stopped. Uh. Here
Speaker 1: are the numbers of the play clock of how much
Speaker 1: time was left when they snapped the ball, even though
Speaker 1: the clock wasn't moving. Twenty five seconds, uh, twenty one seconds.
Speaker 1: Where is it here, I'm looking at my notes. Eighteen seconds,
Speaker 1: seventeen seconds. And so he was not letting the Rams
Speaker 1: defense make any play changes, substitute at all. They were
Speaker 1: just sitting there. He was like, if I can keep
Speaker 1: them in this defense, I'm gonna go down the field.
Speaker 1: And he played hyper speed even though like the clock
Speaker 1: was stopped in all these and that was something like
Speaker 1: Tom Brady stuff. That was I would also note that
Speaker 1: I don't think the Bucks win this game without their
Speaker 1: punter operating as an absolute star. Jake Camarda. He had
Speaker 1: a seventy four yard punt longest by the Bucks ties,
Speaker 1: a team record that goes back to December four by
Speaker 1: old Shan Lindetta Love Show when that after that punt
Speaker 1: happened this game at fifteen of them, there were six
Speaker 1: hundred and fourteen punt yards by both teams in like
Speaker 1: three ten yards a total offense. I mean, you're getting
Speaker 1: to the point, Um, do we have the Ramsey sound
Speaker 1: where the Rams defense is rightfully, I feel like that
Speaker 1: they're not. Donald did have a big impact. He ended
Speaker 1: a drive with a sack in this and ended up
Speaker 1: the next drive I believe with a batted pass. For
Speaker 1: the most part, they had a good day until it
Speaker 1: wasn't a good day. They went the Bucks had at
Speaker 1: twelve place fifty three yard, fifty three yards the Scotty
Speaker 1: Miller drop and then the Rams get to stop on
Speaker 1: fourth down. Uh, with um, just a couple of minutes
Speaker 1: to play, send the Rams offense back out there. They
Speaker 1: go three and out and gain six yards and burn
Speaker 1: one minute of the clock, which then allows Tampa Bay
Speaker 1: to get one more shot and in thirty five seconds
Speaker 1: they go sixty yards for the score. Jalen Ramsey one
Speaker 1: of the high powered stars of this team in the secondary.
Speaker 1: After the game, the frustration is obvious. He's like, how
Speaker 1: many times you need us to bale out? The defense?
Speaker 1: Should not have went had to go back on the field.
Speaker 1: M have some dogs who are gonna go get it
Speaker 1: be like like we shouldn't come to the sideline after
Speaker 1: a big stop like that, and and our coaches or
Speaker 1: the other side or whoever telling us, man, we don't
Speaker 1: need you all one more time. We're gonna need you
Speaker 1: all one more time, like we just we made a
Speaker 1: big stop turning over on downs with a minute and
Speaker 1: some change left in no time out for for nobody.
Speaker 1: I have some dogs like, man, let we don't We're
Speaker 1: gonna end this game right now. Good stop, We're gonna
Speaker 1: end this game for y'all, Like we gotta play off
Speaker 1: each other in that in that sense, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. That's what I mean by we shouldn't even
Speaker 1: have to go back out there. But it is what
Speaker 1: it is. It ain't the first time that this is happening.
Speaker 1: This is happen you know, multiple times this year, and
Speaker 1: you could you could call that finger pointing if you want,
Speaker 1: I like it as honest. It's the it's the star
Speaker 1: of the defense, are one of the top two stars
Speaker 1: of the defense calling out what we all know, which
Speaker 1: is that they're playing well but they're not getting help
Speaker 1: from the other side. And you know when we kill
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and in weeks past for dishing out critique
Speaker 1: but not really including himself at times, like the Rams
Speaker 1: defense got it done today. This is the kind of
Speaker 1: stuff that fractures and pulls apart of locker room. Their
Speaker 1: their loss in the NFC is not the same to
Speaker 1: me as let's say if the Bucks have lost this
Speaker 1: game as crazy as the n right, the Bucks are
Speaker 1: now tied for first place, and even if they were
Speaker 1: a game back, I would have always given the Bucks
Speaker 1: a chance to get theirselves together in December, because just
Speaker 1: because you never know. The Rams, on the other hand,
Speaker 1: like the Cardinals. The Cardinals are at three and six,
Speaker 1: The Rams are at three and five, are really falling
Speaker 1: behind in the NFC, where I think it's going to
Speaker 1: be more difficult to make the playoffs, and there's no
Speaker 1: signs of like that it could get better. The players
Speaker 1: are there. They had nine first downs. There are some
Speaker 1: crazy stats in this game. The Rams had nine first downs.
Speaker 1: The Rams, after getting out scored in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: here again, have been outscored in the fourth quarter of
Speaker 1: this year seventy one to ten. Whoa shawnny McVeigh, what's
Speaker 1: up buddy? And then one one last one And this
Speaker 1: is the one that I just can't even believe. Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup had eight for one seven in this game. Too
Speaker 1: long catches. He had that catch for the touchdown that
Speaker 1: looked just like the one he had to beat the
Speaker 1: Bucks last year in the playoffs. In none in throws
Speaker 1: that did not go to Cooper Cup, Matthew Stafford dropped
Speaker 1: back to pass twenty two times in those non Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup plays. Would you want to guess what what they produced?
Speaker 1: Drop backs? Twenty two drop backs. I would say they produced, uh,
Speaker 1: fifty yards. I'm gonna take the under. They did not
Speaker 1: break double digits. They had nine yards in those plays.
Speaker 1: Twenty two plays for nine yards. I just won when
Speaker 1: it didn't go to Cup. There that says it all. Actually,
Speaker 1: we both went over prices, right rules you Oh, you're right, Well,
Speaker 1: that's the It's not really prices, right. It's a football podcast.
Speaker 1: What a what a sport. It didn't even feel like
Speaker 1: the Bucks, Like the Bucks defense still hasn't turned forced
Speaker 1: to turnover in five weeks. I mean they did a
Speaker 1: good job, they only allowed to, but they haven't forced
Speaker 1: to turnover in five weeks. The receivers are still dropping basses.
Speaker 1: They still couldn't run the ball, and they're still running
Speaker 1: on first and second down like every time and putting
Speaker 1: Brady into bad spot. So there was a lot of
Speaker 1: typical Bucks stuff until the end. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that this like good feeling just magically that's that's exactly
Speaker 1: because had had the Rams somehow pulled this off. Like
Speaker 1: people are going to be going nuts on Tampa Bay instead.
Speaker 1: We kind of if if people don't watch didn't see
Speaker 1: the game, although it's apparently being played in one percent
Speaker 1: of the nation according to uh Yeah, I thought that
Speaker 1: was rude to the Seattle and Arizona game. He said,
Speaker 1: a hundred percent of the nation. Is that's true that
Speaker 1: if you're if you're in Arizona, Seattle to they're playing
Speaker 1: the Rams. But I don't think that's the case. I
Speaker 1: think it excludes the local markets where although I guess
Speaker 1: it is on in those markets. It is on, but
Speaker 1: you're right because it's there. It's I think if you
Speaker 1: and I think the price's right. Rule is you would
Speaker 1: wager one, so you would say one yard. You blew
Speaker 1: it right. No, I could have could have because I
Speaker 1: knew Greg wouldn't give us that stat if it was
Speaker 1: like ninety yards. It's like, well there's a lot of
Speaker 1: bad offense right now. But I should have just gone hardcore.
Speaker 1: One one would have been pretty close. It wouldn't sound
Speaker 1: like I really knew what I was talking about. On
Speaker 1: top of just winning the I feel I feel bad
Speaker 1: for my for my daughter. Well, my daughter is a
Speaker 1: huge fan. I know they're they're sad. Back did you
Speaker 1: go to the Super Bowl? She did? Come on, It's
Speaker 1: good to learn both sides of the coin. It's the
Speaker 1: disappointment that's important to in terms of growth. It adds
Speaker 1: to your character. But I think one and I know
Speaker 1: you would be if you could just get one Jets
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, give me one, you would you would be
Speaker 1: happy forever. But if they followed up that season and
Speaker 1: looked like Rams, those Sundays would be pretty much just
Speaker 1: about as miserable as if they hadn't won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: They just would experience a chance to see if that's
Speaker 1: what would happen. Test that hypothesis out on your own now,
Speaker 1: Reggy had a little bounce at his step in the newsroom.
Speaker 1: We should have known Mark that he had locked up
Speaker 1: the bucks. So doubly sweet late touchdown, had it all
Speaker 1: the way very nice. You were sweating that out for
Speaker 1: a little bit there, greg Um. You and I are
Speaker 1: both um surging in the at the top of the
Speaker 1: standings halfway through the season. It's exciting, Mark, you know, come,
Speaker 1: come join us. Come. Everyone got their lock right this week,
Speaker 1: which is cool. I'm I'm one behind you, and I
Speaker 1: think that you know the great nature of sports. We've
Speaker 1: been talking about it all evening and football is a
Speaker 1: comeback to football is great. What a great day. I
Speaker 1: love it. Do you love football? Justin I still love football.
Speaker 1: You might not love it. After we get into the
Speaker 1: final game of week nine Sunday from Arrowhead, it is
Speaker 1: the Titans taken on the Chiefs fourth and well, let's
Speaker 1: put it up. It's in complete and it's old her
Speaker 1: and Kansas City wins over Tome. Mike Tarico with the
Speaker 1: call for NBC. Yes, the Kansas City Chiefs tie the
Speaker 1: game with a touchdown and two point conversion, both on
Speaker 1: runs from Patrick Mahomes in the fourth quarter, and then
Speaker 1: after a field goal put them ahead, the Titans go
Speaker 1: four and out with Malik Willis at quarterback, Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 1: inactive in this game with that ankle issue, and boys,
Speaker 1: that is how I'll remember it. Uh, this game. Um,
Speaker 1: when the Tennessee offense really needed to play down the
Speaker 1: stretch here, they just couldn't at it. And you give
Speaker 1: credit to Kansas City and their defense. And of course
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes mark on a day where he threw sixty
Speaker 1: eight passes uh in the game too, shy of the
Speaker 1: NFL record for passing attempts in a game. It was
Speaker 1: the plays he made with his legs in the fourth
Speaker 1: quarter that saved the Chiefs. Yeah, I just this. I
Speaker 1: can only imagine what's going on with Grave Digger, because
Speaker 1: I think it's a Titans fan. You had to love
Speaker 1: what was happening early. They put a lot of heat
Speaker 1: on the homes. They were creative enough in their in
Speaker 1: their run game. It was just sort of a typical
Speaker 1: Titans white knuckle operation. And they've matched up well with
Speaker 1: the Chiefs before it seemed like they were gonna get
Speaker 1: it done. But if you're the Chiefs and you're gonna
Speaker 1: run the ball or you're gonna have nine snaps and
Speaker 1: hold the ball for forty one plus minutes, I just
Speaker 1: saw Titans defense that started to bleed towards the end.
Speaker 1: They started to crazy because it was one offensive plays
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs running backs, they're running game other than
Speaker 1: Mahomes had fourteen yards and it was seventeen nine late
Speaker 1: in that fourth quarter, and it was nine nothing at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the second quarter. At that point, I
Speaker 1: thought game over. Titans aren't coming back from nine nothing.
Speaker 1: It felt like it was gonna be a total route.
Speaker 1: They get seventeen straight points. They're making Mahomes hold the
Speaker 1: ball forever. Like the defensive line did such a good
Speaker 1: job over and over again. And I know the stats
Speaker 1: look so uneven. You know, Chiefs have twenty nine first downs,
Speaker 1: Titans have nine every Titans game. But man, it just
Speaker 1: it was right there. And they couldn't get Lucky Graver
Speaker 1: on on some of those calls on the two versions.
Speaker 1: They couldn't Homes down on the third and seventeen, where
Speaker 1: it was also a holding that wasn't calling. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna complain about any of the calls or whatever, because
Speaker 1: even Travis Kelsey ripping off Josh Calu did grab him first,
Speaker 1: so like I could see where, but maybe it could
Speaker 1: have been and on that same play could have been
Speaker 1: holding where they basically tackled. I think it was heart
Speaker 1: coming through. Yeah, I think you can complain on that one.
Speaker 1: When when Travis Kelsey is like choke holding the guy
Speaker 1: and like rapping his helmet off, I think you can
Speaker 1: complain about not off Sundy pedalty. But I feel like
Speaker 1: Mahomes would have scored on the next run in anyway,
Speaker 1: which he did. I think losing bud Dupree hurt this
Speaker 1: Titans team a lot because when he was in the
Speaker 1: like bud Dupree is a really aggressive guy, like a
Speaker 1: really high motor guy who continues to play and play
Speaker 1: and play in. Mahomes the type of quarterback where you
Speaker 1: need that presence on your defense. And when he went
Speaker 1: out in the second half with that hip injury that's
Speaker 1: been bothering him most of the season, it was after
Speaker 1: his exit that Mahomes had all those scrambles running open downfield.
Speaker 1: I mean, how do it looked exactly like the twenty
Speaker 1: nineteen a f C Championship game where the Titans get
Speaker 1: up to a lead and the one spark like nothing's
Speaker 1: working for the Chiefs offense, and then it's sparked by
Speaker 1: Mahomes using his legs. And that's why he's just such
Speaker 1: a great, unstoppable player. I I'm sitting there watching the game,
Speaker 1: hoping the Chiefs call running plays. Like every time they
Speaker 1: call a running play, I'm like, this defense has got it.
Speaker 1: They call it pass. I don't know, Mahomes is gonna
Speaker 1: do some magical thing. I think I'm hesitant to say
Speaker 1: that Patrick Mahomes is underrated in any way because I
Speaker 1: think he is properly celebrated as one of the best
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league and potentially all time when it's
Speaker 1: all said and done. But guys like Lamar Jackson and
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, you know, we talked about all the time
Speaker 1: how they can change games with their legs. Mahomes has
Speaker 1: been this guy his whole career as well. His ability
Speaker 1: and his impeccable instincts of when to flee when he
Speaker 1: needs seventeen yards, he can get that for you, and
Speaker 1: I think it's just like more you see it every week.
Speaker 1: The traditional pocket pastor is dead. You need guys like
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes that can do with their legs when it's
Speaker 1: not there in the passing game. And on the Tennessee
Speaker 1: side with Malik Willis, you know he's a young quarterback. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he was drafted in the third round. I believe he's
Speaker 1: a development type player, uh in a draft class that
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of high end talent by most
Speaker 1: people's expectations. But Mark, he he wasn't ready for the
Speaker 1: moment when things got hot in the fourth quarter, right
Speaker 1: down to the final drive there where the offensive line
Speaker 1: was buying him some time and he just wouldn't pull
Speaker 1: the trigger on throws. Now you could say downfield, there's
Speaker 1: nobody open, but also there was a little bit of
Speaker 1: a deer in the headlights vibe. It's in a tough
Speaker 1: spot because there are very weapons poor offense in general.
Speaker 1: He's not surrounded by much or anything in the in
Speaker 1: the in the passing game, they're running a bunch of
Speaker 1: three tight end sets. I mean, it's the contrast between
Speaker 1: a lot of the a lot of the Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: plays where he's taking off with his feet and making
Speaker 1: incredible first downs. It's because of his vision, because of
Speaker 1: what he's seen, because of what his options are and
Speaker 1: when what he in the choices he makes. And Willis,
Speaker 1: I thought towards the end of the game, when he
Speaker 1: had those two terrible sacks in a row to essentially
Speaker 1: ice the thing, It's like the last thing you wanted
Speaker 1: to be as the Titans was having to put the
Speaker 1: game in him a leak Willis's hands, because it's like
Speaker 1: they they successfully played around his weaknesses all game and
Speaker 1: then the floor fell out right, But they didn't successfully
Speaker 1: do it on offense after those first three drives. The
Speaker 1: frustrating thing is he had a couple of nice throws.
Speaker 1: He had a nice deep ball that they dropped on,
Speaker 1: the go ball down the side. They had another and
Speaker 1: which is why I think they were confident enough to
Speaker 1: go back to it in a place where you didn't
Speaker 1: really need to be aggressive later in the game in
Speaker 1: Westbrooker Keena. Couldn't you know, bring it in that wasn't
Speaker 1: on him? Yeah, yeah, the nice back shoulder to Hooper.
Speaker 1: But they had nine drives to end the game on
Speaker 1: offense in which they totaled one first down. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the worst stretch of offensive player right, there have
Speaker 1: any offense in any spot all year. And the sequence
Speaker 1: that killed me was they somehow managed to extend their
Speaker 1: lead from seventy nine in that stretch and they had
Speaker 1: the ball in the fourth quarter around the forty two
Speaker 1: yard line. You got a second and eight, and that's
Speaker 1: when they do a drop back pass where they throw
Speaker 1: the ball deep, doesn't work, and then they have a screen,
Speaker 1: they lose yardage and they punt it away. I wanted
Speaker 1: more time, more running. I actually too. They could have
Speaker 1: leaned more and he had seen carries. He just seemed
Speaker 1: to fanish in this game, and he had zero targets,
Speaker 1: which this is what bothered me the most, Like, even
Speaker 1: if you know it's the end of the game and
Speaker 1: you can't hand it off because you're running out of
Speaker 1: time or whatever, Henry can stay on the field and
Speaker 1: be a weapon. You get him in space and he
Speaker 1: can make people like we've seen him make people miss
Speaker 1: this year in space, And you're absolutely right. I thought
Speaker 1: the same thing there in that last drive in the
Speaker 1: possession in the fourth quarter, he's off the field, he's
Speaker 1: on the sideline, and it's like, yeah, we've seen him
Speaker 1: catch passes before make a guy miss and then take
Speaker 1: it to the house. They needed him to save them,
Speaker 1: and he can't save them when he's not on the field.
Speaker 1: So yes, maybe Malik Wills had a couple of nice throws,
Speaker 1: but five of sixteen for eighty yards was the final total.
Speaker 1: And it's just a bummer. Obviously is a Titans fan
Speaker 1: because Tannehills on the sideline too, and uh, you know
Speaker 1: that everything else equal. If he's in this game, they
Speaker 1: they win, uh, and they just this is the when
Speaker 1: is the last time we saw a game where a team,
Speaker 1: you know, with a chance to took it to overtime
Speaker 1: where they finished the game with ten straight drives of
Speaker 1: eight or fewer net yards? Pretty wild? So that's that's
Speaker 1: what I mean, where just you you would have thought
Speaker 1: there would have been more adjustment in terms of read
Speaker 1: option plays and design runs, like if they had just
Speaker 1: chosen not to pass it all and have Willis on
Speaker 1: the move with read options and more runs for Tenry
Speaker 1: even in overtime when it was like second and eight,
Speaker 1: just running Henry four straight times and see what happens
Speaker 1: if you can get I wonder behind the scenes, like
Speaker 1: they're trying to give him the smallest playbook possible and
Speaker 1: he just doesn't seem up to speed. I mean maybe,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they didn't. They didn't like make a Willis
Speaker 1: is gonna run the ball a lot. I mean, the
Speaker 1: read options worked in the first half. And it's crazy
Speaker 1: because the defensive plan to Mahomes did work perfectly. All
Speaker 1: they need it was a remote, a tiny bit of
Speaker 1: confidence from their offense and they win this game. And
Speaker 1: yet what will remember kind of like we remember Tom
Speaker 1: Brady at the end of this game for finally getting
Speaker 1: it done at the end, what I'll remember ultimately is
Speaker 1: not only Mahome's running, but on the overtime drive, the
Speaker 1: second down throw where he's falling over and Kelsey makes
Speaker 1: incredible catch behind his back or you know, on a
Speaker 1: throw that was behind him, and then the third and
Speaker 1: inches play. Everything for the Chiefs has to be harder
Speaker 1: where Mahomes needs to stop on a dime and then
Speaker 1: make an incredible throw down the field on third and
Speaker 1: inches to set up the game. When you feel, o,
Speaker 1: that's that's what my Homes does, That's what Brady does.
Speaker 1: That's why Danny loves football. I love football so much.
Speaker 1: And uh Tannehill did go out on the field. Um
Speaker 1: before the game, he tried warming up, but he never
Speaker 1: even planted his ailing ankle in the turf before he
Speaker 1: walked off the field and was made inactive. I guess
Speaker 1: that's where we see again. Justin Tennessee is a team
Speaker 1: that can hang with anyone. The way they play. Their
Speaker 1: physical style didn't work out today. In the end. The
Speaker 1: only thing that would be a real disaster is if
Speaker 1: this town Hill injury is worse than we uh no.
Speaker 1: I think it's been reported as a high ankle sprain.
Speaker 1: So they snowed under um budding young reporter Justin Graver,
Speaker 1: who's trying to get in front of things on the
Speaker 1: injury front, not to you know, get on you when
Speaker 1: you're down here. He didn't a ton of things, and
Speaker 1: then he got rolled over by the bus of misinformation.
Speaker 1: I've been pretty wrong two weeks in a row. But
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna bring it up. But you know, it
Speaker 1: would be a nice night for Yessica to maybe make
Speaker 1: you some nice cupcakes or something, or a treat when
Speaker 1: you get home. I don't know how that how that works?
Speaker 1: Can I hit you with one stat Before Titans became
Speaker 1: the fourth team since the year you do, like when
Speaker 1: your your mate is hurting, you would physically bake cupcakes.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying. I'm saying that's one night,
Speaker 1: pulled that out of a hat. Could be anything, didn't
Speaker 1: you feel even just like the smallest, like almost like
Speaker 1: infantilized if like, oh, your football team lost, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make you cupcakes. And maybe I think it's were like
Speaker 1: could be really nice fantasy stuff going on, go ahead justice.
Speaker 1: The Titans became the fourth team since the two thousand
Speaker 1: season to finish a game without completing a pass to
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, name a worst receiving corps in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Then with them so emplamement on the receivers, I mean,
Speaker 1: the Rams would give up something to go home, three
Speaker 1: first round picks for to get Robert Wood. You hung tight,
Speaker 1: you almost won. You're gonna win a division, You'll have
Speaker 1: a home game, You'll have another chance maybe against this team.
Speaker 1: First round playoff exit type of Titans made me feel
Speaker 1: even better about the Titans. They really have something in
Speaker 1: terms of the greater than there's some of their parts.
Speaker 1: They win this game with Tannehell, don't don't don't fret. Okay,
Speaker 1: And even if it doesn't work out for the Titans.
Speaker 1: Football is so amazing that you just like enjoy the
Speaker 1: sport no matter what happens. Yeah, I'm reading for the
Speaker 1: Seahawks if if I can't, and there my NFC. He's
Speaker 1: already pivoted off there NCT. Okay, well don't don't. Two
Speaker 1: weeks ago I was telling Dan not to lose hope
Speaker 1: about the Jets. That's right. Well we're saying that to
Speaker 1: you right now, so I'm not losing hope. I Malik
Speaker 1: Willis has a long way to go before just talking
Speaker 1: about openly rooting for a different team. But just like
Speaker 1: I mean, I would lose hope if it's Malik Willis
Speaker 1: from trying to turn into the twelve. Don't you don't
Speaker 1: want to be great? We'll welcome you. The Twelves are careful,
Speaker 1: you know. I feel like Greg's really loyal to football,
Speaker 1: So don't be a football I like you as you
Speaker 1: are a passionate fan, emotionally detect. We're going to have
Speaker 1: a meet up at for the six thirty am Munich game,
Speaker 1: the Twelves. We're all getting around the Los Angeles Areas.
Speaker 1: Cupcakes us provided by Yessica Um with the biggest Seahawks
Speaker 1: fan of all self proclaimed I'm sure that's gonna go well,
Speaker 1: really well at that meet up. Greg's been a fan
Speaker 1: of for about two two weeks, three weeks. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: that's it. Thank you everybody for listening. You know what,
Speaker 1: really thank you. This is sincere thank you because we
Speaker 1: just came off the two best months we've ever had
Speaker 1: on this podcast in terms of listenership, which ten years
Speaker 1: into this show, and knowing everything about our show and
Speaker 1: everything with Chris and UM and just the just being
Speaker 1: together and doing this as long as we have to
Speaker 1: be get the support that we get. I do love football.
Speaker 1: I love doing this football podcast with you boys, and uh.
Speaker 1: We are very lucky to have loyal fans that came
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