Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season two sixty two,
Speaker 1: Episode two of Daily Hi Guys Stay, production of I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a
Speaker 1: deep dive into America's share consciousness. And it is Tuesday,
Speaker 1: November eight two. My name is Jack O'Brien a K.
Speaker 1: I'm from everywhere. Man, I'm from everywhere. Man, I lived
Speaker 1: over there. Man's many different state fairs, man moving, I've
Speaker 1: had my share, Man, I'm from everywhere. I'm from Eugene,
Speaker 1: West Virginia, Dayton, Philadelphia, Jersey, NSC College in d C, Boston, Missoury, Lexington, Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Also Lexington, mass New Yorktown, Pikes l A County. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, I could keep going and going. Shout out
Speaker 1: to Johnny Davis for the I've been everywhere, Jenny Cash
Speaker 1: a K. Appreciate you, and I am thrilled to be
Speaker 1: joy today by a very special guest co host, the
Speaker 1: producer behind shows like Fake Doctor's Real Friends and Wantsome
Speaker 1: to our show. You've heard her on Pop Culture Happy Hour,
Speaker 1: the Comic Combat a pot. It's the brilliant, the talented
Speaker 1: Joel Monique. So good to be back. How are you, Jack,
Speaker 1: I'm great, great, it's great, too great to have you here.
Speaker 1: And rainy Los Angeles, rainy cold Los Angeles. You're loving it.
Speaker 1: We have weather. I get to wear my little cozy coat,
Speaker 1: little fur lined coat. Yes it is real for oh no,
Speaker 1: that's not true. It's real sweatshirt interior, the real sweatshirt.
Speaker 1: And but it's it's great to have you. It is.
Speaker 1: It is nice to have a little seasonal weather here.
Speaker 1: And then I'm hearing from all our friends across this
Speaker 1: great country that it's unseasonably just everything seasonably cold and
Speaker 1: rainy here, unseasonably warm, I'm told in New York City,
Speaker 1: and our guests can tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: We are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: by a very talented podcaster from the Next Up Initiative
Speaker 1: and soon to be a member of our team, your team.
Speaker 1: She was formerly a trained esthetician, but since completing the program,
Speaker 1: has moved to podcasting full time, posting an I heart
Speaker 1: show called Beauty Translated, which is a brilliant, wonderful show
Speaker 1: all about celebrating the trans experience. Please welcome back to
Speaker 1: the show, Carmen Laure. How are you doing doing well?
Speaker 1: As you said, it is unseasonably warm here, unseasonably everything.
Speaker 1: You know. I don't want to turn the air conditioning
Speaker 1: on though, So yeah, so you're just sweating it out, Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm suffering through it. All the windows are open. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna beer through it. Yeah, it's it's so
Speaker 1: cold in Los Angeles. I think I think it's like
Speaker 1: in the in the dang fifties. I just like to
Speaker 1: throw that in there to enrage, enrage everybody around the
Speaker 1: country who I think like unseasonably warm weather in New
Speaker 1: York is is like the fifties right now. So all right, well,
Speaker 1: we are going to get to know you a little
Speaker 1: bit better in a moment, Carmen. First, we're gonna tell
Speaker 1: our listeners a couple of the things we're talking about.
Speaker 1: It is election day. Nobody knows anything. When you hear this,
Speaker 1: nobody will know anything as of yet. It's just time
Speaker 1: to get out and vote if you haven't done the
Speaker 1: mail in voting early. But we're gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: how little, how how little of an idea anybody has
Speaker 1: as to what is what is going to happen ahead
Speaker 1: of this, and why that seems to be a trend
Speaker 1: that is doubling down. It was like after after, I
Speaker 1: think people are like, oh, well, they'll just correct for that,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll just they'll they they saw a mistake
Speaker 1: that they made, and they'll they'll figure it out, and
Speaker 1: now the polls will be accurate again. And then it
Speaker 1: happened again in the last midterm polls were somewhat accurate.
Speaker 1: So that's at least one piece of solace for pole watchers.
Speaker 1: But at the same time that also just fux you
Speaker 1: up even more because it's like, oh, so it's maybe
Speaker 1: the polls will be accurate. It adds like even another
Speaker 1: twist to all the all the different things that could
Speaker 1: be happening. So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: why if Republicans win, it's very bad and therefore everybody
Speaker 1: who is not voting Republicans should get the funk out
Speaker 1: and vote. I do want to I do want to
Speaker 1: talk about Ellen Musk. I know, I know, it's we
Speaker 1: can do it, we can do it. It's it's really
Speaker 1: been like watching someone talk shit about an NBA player,
Speaker 1: be like, man, he should have shot that, and then
Speaker 1: they like throw that person into the game and they
Speaker 1: have to play basketball even though they don't know what
Speaker 1: the funk they're doing. Like his tenure at CEO has
Speaker 1: been just repeatedly getting owned and like he's he didn't
Speaker 1: even like have a thought before he took over as
Speaker 1: to like what he was going to do. It seems
Speaker 1: like he's like trying to make it he owns a
Speaker 1: ruby mine, sapphire mind, some pressure, you don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about. It was Emeralds. Okay, all right, leave him alone. Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's funny that like the first thing of being like,
Speaker 1: we'll pay for your verification, which is the onlyest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever heard, because verification has a very like solid point,
Speaker 1: the only reason a lot of things came as results
Speaker 1: of verification, Like yes, there are a cloud chasers, yes,
Speaker 1: like bump people up to like the top of replies,
Speaker 1: and that definitely has an impact on the circulation of
Speaker 1: that tweet, etcetera. But its initial founding was just to
Speaker 1: be like, hey, this person actually exists. This is the
Speaker 1: person you think you're talking to. That was the point
Speaker 1: of the blue check. Yeah, this is William Shatt exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: So it's a for safety, right because you know that's
Speaker 1: some actor who Now, of course I can't remember recently
Speaker 1: posted about how, in the pre dawn of social media,
Speaker 1: he was on a kids show and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: these parents were like, Hey, you're talking to my kid,
Speaker 1: and now they're missing what's going on. He's like, I started, God,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to your kid. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. And it turned out somebody was using
Speaker 1: his name to like room children. That's fine, Yeah, fine,
Speaker 1: And so he makes a really good point for like
Speaker 1: why we need to blue checkmark, but also when you
Speaker 1: have people paid for it, the all the other things
Speaker 1: past safety that came with the check mark now no
Speaker 1: longer hold any value foolish. So yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: what's happening over there. I do not know, but I
Speaker 1: do like, have you seen how people are sort of retaliating? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and have you seen how he's retaliating. Well, we'll get
Speaker 1: into it, but he's just straight up forgotten everything he
Speaker 1: was saying about, like, comedy is back on Twitter, comedy
Speaker 1: is back. He's a free speech absolutist. And then he's like,
Speaker 1: but unless you make fun of about him, which, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about a movie called Wendell and Wild,
Speaker 1: which you might not have heard of, and that's a problem.
Speaker 1: So we'll we'll talk about that. Joel, you saw it
Speaker 1: at tiff. You're gonna give us the inside track all
Speaker 1: of that plenty more. But first, Carmen, we do like
Speaker 1: to ask our guests, what is something from your search history?
Speaker 1: All right, Well, what I've been searching is Pokemon Scarlet
Speaker 1: and Violet weeks. Yes, so the game the game weeked
Speaker 1: last night and that means like somebody got an early
Speaker 1: copy of it and there basically uploading photos from the
Speaker 1: game online because a lot of stuff is under wraps
Speaker 1: right now. So I've been checking the subreddit for that constantly,
Speaker 1: just for new updates to see new Pokemon. So what
Speaker 1: are the good ones? What have you seeing that's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm catching that immediately. Oh well, there's this one called
Speaker 1: small Live okay, and it's like a little olive and
Speaker 1: it evolves into something called Dolive, which is like a
Speaker 1: little olive doll looking thing. So I'm super excited about that.
Speaker 1: Cute this overload it. So when a new Pokemon game
Speaker 1: is released, there are new pokey like individuals Pokemon's who
Speaker 1: are introduced, so that that's what is exciting. Besides, they're
Speaker 1: just being a new game. Yes, um, and and especially
Speaker 1: in this generation, they're doing this like whole future and
Speaker 1: past thing, so like they're taking old Pokemon and giving
Speaker 1: them like okay, like what would you call them, like
Speaker 1: archaic forms, and they're taking whole Pokemon and giving them
Speaker 1: future forms and stuff too, So a little bit of
Speaker 1: new and then reinventing the wheel a little bit. I
Speaker 1: like the cute outfits and the new towns. I like
Speaker 1: when I get my bike and I can just ride
Speaker 1: around through a field catching things. It's just it's so simple,
Speaker 1: and then you get like a little happy too, and
Speaker 1: then you just collect without having to spend money, which
Speaker 1: you know, for someone this is a challenge. So I
Speaker 1: really appreciate come on being there for us. But yeah,
Speaker 1: the game comes out in like two weeks, so it's
Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be so fun. Mm hm. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm personally in the in the process of like
Speaker 1: the Pokemon wave is coming with my four year old
Speaker 1: and six year old, Like my six year old friends
Speaker 1: are talking Pokemon. He just like hasn't gotten interested in it,
Speaker 1: and so I'm just like, I'm gonna have to do
Speaker 1: a deep dive. I'm gonna. I'm gonna, you know, have
Speaker 1: to know what any of this ship means in the
Speaker 1: not too distant future. But for now, I am enjoying
Speaker 1: the brain space that I get to devote to things
Speaker 1: that are not Pokemon. Don't be the dad that calls
Speaker 1: everything Pikachu. Okay, there are many different versions. You should
Speaker 1: learn at least fifty of them, and maybe give him
Speaker 1: like an old school game boy so he can really
Speaker 1: get down on some of the classics. But also, okay,
Speaker 1: card shops all over l A. There's a ton of
Speaker 1: them here. You can go and get like vintage. Some
Speaker 1: people still like your whole binders. Sometimes they'll do like
Speaker 1: ten mystery ones for a dollar or whatever. Give him
Speaker 1: some cards he don't have the actual game, and he'll
Speaker 1: be hooked, and then you'll have a fun way to interact.
Speaker 1: He could teach you the game. You just play it.
Speaker 1: It's fun, you know, it's not looking at another screen.
Speaker 1: It's also a good introduction to predatory capitalism, because when
Speaker 1: you're six, there's like the seven year olds who are like, yo,
Speaker 1: let me uh here, I got got this one that
Speaker 1: I'll trade for. Yeah, I mean that's what that's what
Speaker 1: like baseball cards did for me when I was his age.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's coming. I'll I'll be I'll be studied
Speaker 1: up the next time this comes up on the Daily Siegeist.
Speaker 1: Or maybe I won't, maybe they'll just go in a
Speaker 1: different direction. Minecraft is the other thing that what is it? Roadblocks?
Speaker 1: Road blocks? I know, but like Mint is really everywhere,
Speaker 1: like just even even trigger treating, Like we get a
Speaker 1: thousand trigger treaters like every Halloween. And we had some
Speaker 1: friends over who were, you know, like eight years younger
Speaker 1: than I am, and but they were calling out all
Speaker 1: the Pokemon costumes by name, like they you know, I
Speaker 1: I got Pikachu. That was the one that I recognized.
Speaker 1: But they were like calling all of them out, and
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, of the costumes that I had
Speaker 1: just been like, oh, it's a funny little guy that
Speaker 1: was that was what fun A little uh animal thing?
Speaker 1: That's cute. Oh you're like a little dragon thing. We're
Speaker 1: we're actually poke pokemons the whole time. And I'm a fool.
Speaker 1: But anyways, I'm gonna work on it. This is actually
Speaker 1: goes back to I used to Rotcye called cracked, and
Speaker 1: like our editorial team was all just right on the
Speaker 1: brink of like being too old to know about Pokemon.
Speaker 1: And then even like the younger ones didn't really like
Speaker 1: we just had like an editorial bias where they were
Speaker 1: just like not in on Pokemon, and we like had
Speaker 1: multiple meetings where we were like, we've gotta I think
Speaker 1: we gotta hire for Pokemon to like get coverage in
Speaker 1: the Pokemon world because we were just like so bad
Speaker 1: at this. Oh yeah, yeah, I forget that Pokemon appeals
Speaker 1: to children at this stage, Like I forget that it's
Speaker 1: like made for children, and I'm like, oh, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: kids like this. Kids don't know nothing about Classic Boget.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to buy a light that shined into
Speaker 1: your game system so you can see the screen at night. Okay,
Speaker 1: you don't know. You don't know how difficult it was
Speaker 1: collecting those early paths in the banned at school. It's
Speaker 1: a struggle to be a part of the system. Well,
Speaker 1: hopefully I reminded you that there's some easy trades to
Speaker 1: be made, because you can just prey on these just
Speaker 1: getting into it. Don't know, they don't know better yet perfectly.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated? Karmen, Well, I
Speaker 1: kind of hanted at this already, but I think and
Speaker 1: I should say, this applies to my current weather conditions,
Speaker 1: and I don't like to be hot, okay, but I
Speaker 1: also don't love a C. From one of those people
Speaker 1: that if I feel a C blowing on my skin,
Speaker 1: I'm like instantly cold. So for like the past months
Speaker 1: it's been very fall, it's been I have I haven't
Speaker 1: had to have any a C. And I've been loving it.
Speaker 1: Windows have been open, fans have been on all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. But now that it's eighty degrees, I'm really like, thing,
Speaker 1: am I gonna need to turn this A C on
Speaker 1: in November? And I don't want to, But yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't love I'm one of those people that is very
Speaker 1: sensitive to sensations. If I feel like cold air blowing
Speaker 1: gonna me, I'm uncomfortable. I'm definitely the kind of person
Speaker 1: who it will be a hundred degrees outside and then
Speaker 1: we hearn the A C on and then I'm under
Speaker 1: the blanket, yes, because I have to protect myself from
Speaker 1: direct cold, but also I don't want to be too hot.
Speaker 1: And then people think I'm weird, and maybe I am,
Speaker 1: but I just don't like I'm with you Karmen. I
Speaker 1: don't like it. It should always be like a temperate
Speaker 1: seventy any room i'm in, Please don't expose me to
Speaker 1: extreme weather one way or the other. Really, I hate
Speaker 1: to be freezing. I don't appreciate sweating. Like I really
Speaker 1: need the earth to get together. It's a lot. It's
Speaker 1: really another respault we we as people each Yeah, victim
Speaker 1: blaming the earth? Here? Jack, your your dad on this podcast?
Speaker 1: Are you touching the thermostat? Are other people in your
Speaker 1: house allowed to touch the thermostat? I'm pretty oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I consider it fortunate that I'm allowed to touch
Speaker 1: the thermostat in my house. But it's uh yeah, we
Speaker 1: were pretty were pretty liberal with it. My kids love
Speaker 1: to you know, this morning, it was in the in
Speaker 1: the fifties, it's pretty cold inside the house, and the
Speaker 1: kids loved to snuggle up next to event with the
Speaker 1: with the heat on. We had that going this morning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm so. First of all, the first the for
Speaker 1: your search history made me feel very old. But this
Speaker 1: is actually making me feel very young because my my
Speaker 1: grandfather didn't believe in air conditioning, which I don't even
Speaker 1: know what that means that he didn't. I mean, he
Speaker 1: was alive before it came out like spoiled. As kids
Speaker 1: choosing the temperature of their house. Back in my day,
Speaker 1: we just endured. Okay, I like the idea that it's
Speaker 1: a belief system, yes, but yeah, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: also the kind of person who, like I I'm who
Speaker 1: the fact that you're like, my toes will turn blue
Speaker 1: when when it's time to get like additional clothes on.
Speaker 1: I just I think, like, you know, toxic masculinity and
Speaker 1: all that bullshit like turned me into somebody who like
Speaker 1: it doesn't notice like my own sensations and feeling too long,
Speaker 1: and so I'm just like I'm like in a T
Speaker 1: shirt and shorts and then I'm like, oh, I can't
Speaker 1: like unclench my teeth. Maybe maybe I need to like
Speaker 1: do something about Maybe I need to go check the
Speaker 1: thermostat to see how cold it is in here. That's
Speaker 1: so funny. Growing up, like my very black parents were like,
Speaker 1: it's wild these white boys were just out here and
Speaker 1: flip flops in the snow. What are they doing? How
Speaker 1: does this happen? Is truly baffled them as to like
Speaker 1: what the thought process was. I'm gonna go back and
Speaker 1: tell them it's just toxic masculinity. Masculinity and like trying
Speaker 1: to prove something to ourselves. I think probably it's a mess.
Speaker 1: It's a mess in here. It's guys, fellas, is a
Speaker 1: gay to be cold? Exactly? Fellas? What was this thing
Speaker 1: skittles that? Yeah, like that's the whole name. Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1: What is something, Carmen that you think is underrated? I okay,
Speaker 1: this is something that my partner, who I've been with
Speaker 1: for seven years, has has taught me and has to
Speaker 1: do with food, and I just say lunch, So I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about it. But soy sauce supremacy. So I never
Speaker 1: understood the difference between all of the different types of
Speaker 1: soy sauce. My partners Chinese American, and we went to
Speaker 1: buy a new bottle of soy sauce the other day
Speaker 1: and I was like, we were looking at the aisle,
Speaker 1: there's all these bottles of soy sauce, and my household
Speaker 1: was we just grabbed the Kikoman or or whatever soy
Speaker 1: sauce packets were in the drawer from the Chinese restaurant.
Speaker 1: And he says, no, no, no, no, no, that's just
Speaker 1: brown bean water. Like, that's brown salty water. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: there's a whole water, there's a whole devastating yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was like, no, that's just brown salty water. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: then what's the real soy sauce? So apparently real soy
Speaker 1: sauce is like this whole thing. It's like actually fermented.
Speaker 1: So oh my gosh. What is it called? Pearl River
Speaker 1: is like the one that we get. It's the bold
Speaker 1: label Pearl River Superior Light soy Sauce. And um. I
Speaker 1: actually texted him the other day because I had a
Speaker 1: Kikoman thing with some take out that I had, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, this is just brown salty water.
Speaker 1: You're right, she's a changed woman. Never again, it does
Speaker 1: look fancier too. I mean, obviously the gold, but even
Speaker 1: like the color seems richer just from this photo. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at online like a denser brown than what it means.
Speaker 1: It's rich. It's rich. Okay, Well, next time I'm buy
Speaker 1: soy sauce, I'm coming for you. Pearl River. Yes, that
Speaker 1: name is just I just want to luxuriate in that name.
Speaker 1: Pearl River Superior Light soy Sauce. And it comes with
Speaker 1: a gold label and everything, so you have to peel
Speaker 1: off the gold. Like, oh, I'm like learning the world
Speaker 1: of fancy soy sauce. I love it. I feel like
Speaker 1: I've had good soy sauce before, and it like it
Speaker 1: sticks better to the thing, like when you dip a
Speaker 1: piece of like sushi or roll in the other The
Speaker 1: brown salt water, yes, the brown bean water. I like
Speaker 1: because it's like, yeah, it might as well be fucking coffee. Man.
Speaker 1: It's it's bad, it doesn't matter, but I feel like
Speaker 1: it just you know, it doesn't stick. It's like it's
Speaker 1: like the difference between water color versus like a paint,
Speaker 1: how it actually sticks to the food that you're you're
Speaker 1: dipping in. It's viscosity is the word I was looking
Speaker 1: for and failing to come up with. Yeah, well there
Speaker 1: you go. Everybody pay attention. So it's it's also a
Speaker 1: really good like ingredient to throw into things. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk
Speaker 1: briefly about election day and Elon Musk just fucking up
Speaker 1: at at a staggering scale right away. We'll be right back,
Speaker 1: and we're back, and it is election day, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: everybody who's listening has the opportunity to go out and vote,
Speaker 1: or you had the opportunity to vote by mail, but
Speaker 1: you know, make the time. The stakes are the stakes
Speaker 1: are very high. I mean, I guess we could we
Speaker 1: could talk start off talking about if if Republicans win,
Speaker 1: it's bad. We know that obviously they want to take
Speaker 1: and have successfully taken women's bodily autonomy away from them,
Speaker 1: just with the one branch of government that they can
Speaker 1: control that they currently control, so that there are the
Speaker 1: big picture bad things. We also talked about how they'll
Speaker 1: make a mockery of the ability to like impeach and
Speaker 1: investigate us sitting president by just like I guess, like Benghazi,
Speaker 1: ng the funk out of Biden and treating a bunch
Speaker 1: of just made up in fractions like you know, with
Speaker 1: the equivalence seriousness of Trump trying to trade military aid
Speaker 1: for a Hunter Biden investigation, like when just it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty wild, Like we I feel like we've kind of
Speaker 1: memory hold the actual impeachment, but that was a pretty
Speaker 1: pretty bad thing that he did, and like they're going
Speaker 1: to make a mockery of the ability to investigate him
Speaker 1: so that if he gets elected once again, it's going
Speaker 1: to be all gas, no breaks whatsoever. And yeah, they'll
Speaker 1: continue to make it impossible for women to have bodily autonomy.
Speaker 1: One of the very few things that I feel like
Speaker 1: we've been able to feel good about in the past
Speaker 1: few years has been steadily increasing momentum behind unions and
Speaker 1: workers rights. And the Republicans have already announced their plan
Speaker 1: to kind of attack that by basically taking the National
Speaker 1: Labor Relations Board and tying it up so that there
Speaker 1: are I think they said there would be oversight hearing
Speaker 1: to oversight hearings a day on on that subject. So
Speaker 1: just like making it impossible to kind of continue the momentum,
Speaker 1: like the small amount of progress that we've been able
Speaker 1: to see. And yeah, this is a trick that capitalists
Speaker 1: love to do, where they cheat to make it impossible
Speaker 1: to do anything with like public money or you know,
Speaker 1: anything on the progressive side, and then they're like, see,
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, it's inefficient. And then they're also planning
Speaker 1: to quote save Medicare by raising the age you finally
Speaker 1: u that you finally qualify for it to UH sixty seven,
Speaker 1: and then take make Social Security quote solvent again by
Speaker 1: raising the retirement age to seventy. So it's somehow this
Speaker 1: is you know, it's it's wild because they do this
Speaker 1: during Democratic presidencies, Like that's that's when you're like Paul
Speaker 1: Ryan became really popular there or really powerful during Obama term,
Speaker 1: and it's like you you start just making it so
Speaker 1: nobody can spend any money on anything and people suffer badly,
Speaker 1: and that that kind of gets that sticks to the
Speaker 1: Democratic president. So yeah, that that's that's at least what
Speaker 1: they've told us their plans are for if they if
Speaker 1: they win, it'll be much more sinister for sure. You know,
Speaker 1: if if God forbide, we actually see this reality as
Speaker 1: it always is. I'm still like reminded of like all
Speaker 1: of the filipbustering to like a maddening a maddening extent
Speaker 1: or where shold we like go all the way back
Speaker 1: to the Obama years when McConnell was like, I'm just
Speaker 1: refusing to push this Supreme Court judge there, which of
Speaker 1: course is now derailed us into infinity. And it's just
Speaker 1: like I hope that whatever happened, at the very least
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party because it's the only other party we
Speaker 1: have to rely on unfortunately, just step it up just
Speaker 1: a little bit in the area of like, but we
Speaker 1: have to be civil if we are done with civility,
Speaker 1: just for civility's sake, just because this is how it's all.
Speaker 1: We have to play by different rules if we're going
Speaker 1: to survive a second red wave, Like, I just don't
Speaker 1: know how else we do it. Fascism, Yeah, like fascism,
Speaker 1: you know, we have to Yeah, yeah, I am hoping
Speaker 1: that somehow this, like whatever happens in the election translates
Speaker 1: to them seeing more and more than like the strength
Speaker 1: is with people who are maybe outside of the centrist
Speaker 1: mainstream Democratic Party, but there's just so much momentum on
Speaker 1: that and I think I think that kind of leads
Speaker 1: us nicely into the kind of pulling the sort of
Speaker 1: mainstream media polling industrial complex. So, like, one of the
Speaker 1: big stories that you're seeing ahead of this election is
Speaker 1: stories like bipolsters like quoting posters being like, we have
Speaker 1: no fucking idea, what's gonna happen you guys, like this
Speaker 1: is this is a mess. We're terrible at our jobs.
Speaker 1: It's Yeah. That is a Yahoo story that I think
Speaker 1: was originally from Daily beast. But posters have quote, no
Speaker 1: fucking idea what's going to happen this election, And it
Speaker 1: really seems like posters have been pretty much out to
Speaker 1: see since Trump won. And I think there was a
Speaker 1: theory of the case that they would take that initial
Speaker 1: like disastrous Trump win in and like somehow fixed the model.
Speaker 1: But the win in and them being you know, off,
Speaker 1: like just fully off in the opposite direction, except for
Speaker 1: Nate Silver, who like was saying there's a bigger chance
Speaker 1: of Trump winning than like people are giving it credit
Speaker 1: ahead of ahead of the thing. I do think that's
Speaker 1: worth saying, because I don't know. He's full of ship
Speaker 1: a lot of the time. But that was one thing
Speaker 1: that I think people misremember as because almost all polsters
Speaker 1: were saying that Trump was had no chance in hell
Speaker 1: of winning. That he was also in there, but he's
Speaker 1: been pretty frank. A handful of other polsters have been like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the the issue is nobody talks to us anymore, like
Speaker 1: on either side, like we used to do pulling by
Speaker 1: landlines and those don't exist anymore for the most part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if I hear an automated voice or even a voice,
Speaker 1: I don't know it is an immediate hang up, like
Speaker 1: I'm not picking up unknown numbers on the off chance
Speaker 1: I accidentally do. I don't know if his voice on
Speaker 1: the other day end of that line, You need to
Speaker 1: leave me a message and I'll call you back at
Speaker 1: my convenience. What can I ask as an ignorant person,
Speaker 1: do we need poster? We're gonna find out results anyway.
Speaker 1: What is the advantage to having people be like this
Speaker 1: will be the results because there's money to be made,
Speaker 1: there's no advantage to us. It is the mainstream media
Speaker 1: in America's massive bias towards whatever is profitable and can
Speaker 1: make money, and it can like it's extra resistant strain
Speaker 1: because the people who are polsters and consultants who all
Speaker 1: like work together are also like very similar to the
Speaker 1: people that like mainstream media journalists like went to Cornell
Speaker 1: with and ship like that. You know, like they're they're
Speaker 1: all like in that same world where they like all
Speaker 1: pay attention to and care about the same stuff. And
Speaker 1: in in a system that was operating like optimally, this
Speaker 1: just wouldn't they would have had this conversation and then like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we aren't getting this right anymore, so we should like
Speaker 1: figure out a different system, but because there's so much appetite,
Speaker 1: like all the all the headlines are still about what
Speaker 1: polls are saying ahead of this midterm election because we're curious.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be looking at the fucking polls tomorrow
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm just telling you I shouldn't be, but
Speaker 1: like I'm going to at least like glance at them
Speaker 1: and have them affect how I feel, like you know,
Speaker 1: like like I'm I'm gonna do my best, but I
Speaker 1: just I know that I'll have a moment of weakness
Speaker 1: to be like where I'm like, let's just like see
Speaker 1: what people are saying, but courage everyone to just wait
Speaker 1: until their results are in. Like especially if there hasn't
Speaker 1: been any adjustment that we can see from last time,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get burned so bad. Yeah, and there has
Speaker 1: been the only adjustment there's been since last time is,
Speaker 1: first of all, pollsters seem to be more more honest
Speaker 1: this time, because they're like really and to aating that
Speaker 1: they're going to suck it up. That's like a team
Speaker 1: ahead of the super Bowl just being like yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like my legs hurt. It's like it could
Speaker 1: go really badly here ahead of ahead of this thing,
Speaker 1: Nate Cone, You're only allowed to be a polster if
Speaker 1: your name is Nate apparently, but Nate Cone mentioned in
Speaker 1: one of his like poll result things that it took
Speaker 1: him two hours of dialing just to complete one in interview.
Speaker 1: So that's the conversion rate of their time. Oh and
Speaker 1: the only thing they're doing is phone calls to landlines. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they have other strategies, but they just don't work as much.
Speaker 1: And they can't tell because their new strategies, they can't
Speaker 1: tell how biased they are in one direction versus another.
Speaker 1: Because people eliminated spaces, it's not like you can even
Speaker 1: go to them all anymore. And hope. Yeah, a wide
Speaker 1: sample size. Everything's like an echo chamber basically coupposed to
Speaker 1: like truth social and course you know what the results
Speaker 1: are going to be. New strategy, go to social media,
Speaker 1: set up a poll, see what happens. Who are you voting?
Speaker 1: Topical vote on social media, and see if you can
Speaker 1: get a better reaction. I bet if you used it
Speaker 1: with like I'll be add technology they have out there
Speaker 1: to like get into specific demographics. If you set up
Speaker 1: a poll using that technology, I bet you could get
Speaker 1: better results than phone calls because there's no personal person interaction.
Speaker 1: They're trying everything. They had a phone call come in
Speaker 1: where I think they were nagging me into like doing
Speaker 1: a poll for them, because it was like there was
Speaker 1: some silence. It wasn't it wasn't a spam likely number.
Speaker 1: So I always picked those up because it could be
Speaker 1: like some like the play my kids are in or something,
Speaker 1: you know, like there's just like so many numbers that like,
Speaker 1: I just have so much to deal with. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have to answer. You have to answer one unknown number
Speaker 1: is called just because you don't know like what it's
Speaker 1: going to be. And there was like a little bit
Speaker 1: of silence and then it sounded like real person. He
Speaker 1: was like, Hey, this is uh like councilman like said
Speaker 1: said some name. Then he was like are you there?
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Actually all right, I can't hear you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna call back, and then like hung
Speaker 1: up on me, And I was like, what is this strategy? Like,
Speaker 1: was it just so I would hear their name? Is
Speaker 1: like very very strange. Yeah, I just didn't answer when
Speaker 1: he called me back, But as you wouldn't because what
Speaker 1: was I just want to be like you, we haven't
Speaker 1: liked phones for such a long time, Like we turned
Speaker 1: our phone into being anything other than a phone. I pivot, guys,
Speaker 1: it's time. It's but there's nothing good to pivot too.
Speaker 1: I think is there is the conclusion of a lot
Speaker 1: of these articles. The thing that the Republican Party has
Speaker 1: pivoted to is white supremacy and aggressively going after the
Speaker 1: voters who showed that they exist and don't show up
Speaker 1: in polls in the presidential elections. The Democratic Party is
Speaker 1: like they so addicted to this, like mainstream media pulling
Speaker 1: consultant industrial complex like that they I think it really
Speaker 1: is like a big part of what is going to
Speaker 1: make this court that the Democratic Party is on difficult
Speaker 1: to sustain is that like they're just they can't get
Speaker 1: away from it. Even as the pollsters are saying on
Speaker 1: the front dage of the fucking paper the day like
Speaker 1: on election day, Ay, we don't know ship that like
Speaker 1: that's just where we're at. I think they that they
Speaker 1: were doing great when the people who voted were like that,
Speaker 1: like read their papers. Like Nate Silver I think called
Speaker 1: everything within like almost every county in America correctly in
Speaker 1: the election but that was when the Republican Party was
Speaker 1: also choosing its candidate based on who polsters thought would
Speaker 1: be good and like, so it was like Mitt Romney,
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was like somebody who was
Speaker 1: like it was somebody who appealed to like nobody. But
Speaker 1: remember it wasn't that much difference between the Republican and
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, and it was always just two random white
Speaker 1: dudes who were like very milk toast and we were like,
Speaker 1: I guess that one, oh man, what are time to
Speaker 1: be alive? But yeah, they used to just like go
Speaker 1: pick the candidate that would appeal to like Republicans who
Speaker 1: read newspapers, and now they've just like abandoned that. And
Speaker 1: I think it's probably time for the Democrats to at
Speaker 1: least stop listening to these same consultants and come up
Speaker 1: with a new strategy, because the polsters are here and
Speaker 1: they're telling you that it's this is not it like
Speaker 1: we we don't know shit profitable. It's very profitable out Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's that people want to know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. I love writing my friends checks to I
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, I do think there should be a
Speaker 1: like like the way the way that this happens in
Speaker 1: sports is well. I guess there's also like a very
Speaker 1: dumb like sports industrial complex, sports media industrial complex where
Speaker 1: like one person gets on it is like this team
Speaker 1: is gonna win, and if you say they're not, you're
Speaker 1: an idiot, and then the other. But like in terms
Speaker 1: of the scientific like looking into who's going to win,
Speaker 1: like it's betting markets that people and and those are
Speaker 1: pretty they're not always right, but they do a decent
Speaker 1: job because it's actually you know, people with some expertise,
Speaker 1: like putting money behind it and able to make track
Speaker 1: of all of those stats. Like it's gonna be much
Speaker 1: easier to do, you know, I know, like from this
Speaker 1: line he chooses this percentage and this make free throws, etcetera.
Speaker 1: As opposed to like the constantly shifting demographics of the
Speaker 1: American voting populace. Yeah, that's true. I guess that if
Speaker 1: there's money to be made, like maybe they'll find ways
Speaker 1: to better like predict elections because that's just how America operates.
Speaker 1: By the way, while we're reading method, I'm getting telemarketer
Speaker 1: phone call, leave him alone, telemarketing. But they know because
Speaker 1: I answered those random calls from like the kids school
Speaker 1: or the kids teachers. We can get this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy's a They probably have me on like some
Speaker 1: list that's like parents learned to answer any Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll come back. We'll talk
Speaker 1: elon Musk and we're back, and yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's gone from being like, ah, this is bad. He
Speaker 1: this person who just bought Twitter has some weird beliefs,
Speaker 1: and I suspect he might be incompetent, But it's it is.
Speaker 1: It really is like watching somebody who's never thought about
Speaker 1: how to do this particular job take over the job
Speaker 1: and just get fucking owned repeatedly in public, just over
Speaker 1: and over and in a way that I like, can't
Speaker 1: possibly be part of some strategy, Like I know that
Speaker 1: very Wood, Yeah they really would, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like he has so many stands the same way I
Speaker 1: I kind of lump Ela, Musk, Trump and Kanye into
Speaker 1: a like category of people who are taking advantage of
Speaker 1: this strange like civilizational structure we currently have with social media,
Speaker 1: where you know, toxic narcissism becomes like steroids to be
Speaker 1: just the most dominant personality in the world. And it's
Speaker 1: good at capturing like the hearts and minds of some
Speaker 1: very lonely people. It just so happens that, like the
Speaker 1: majority of the world is very lonely people right now,
Speaker 1: because we're all on just social media and you know, working,
Speaker 1: and at least the majority of America. So people want
Speaker 1: to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has
Speaker 1: a lot of supporters, but like this, I don't know
Speaker 1: how it really is, Like an NBA fan who just
Speaker 1: gets pulled into a game because they talked ship and
Speaker 1: just getting dunked on repeatedly. I think this is the
Speaker 1: result of particularly in America. I'm not sure how Elon
Speaker 1: trends outside of the United States, but in America we
Speaker 1: have this ideology of like the genius billionaire builder. I mean,
Speaker 1: look at how we started our marvel you with irons,
Speaker 1: but you can check it, you know, probably, I mean
Speaker 1: there's probably someone before Henry Ford, but that's the big
Speaker 1: icon of like my youth of it. Like he invented
Speaker 1: the assembly line. He made capitalism easier because he turned
Speaker 1: you into a factory part. This isn't that wonderful. Like
Speaker 1: he figured out how to have an effective factory floor
Speaker 1: and he raised a ton of money and he got
Speaker 1: rich and that was lovely. Vanderbilt or another good example
Speaker 1: of like they build these teams with all their money,
Speaker 1: isn't that lovely? Like look at how progressive that is
Speaker 1: of them, say say thank you, we we love like
Speaker 1: a white billionaire influencer. So like philanthropists, like that's really
Speaker 1: what we're about. And so that lead And because we've
Speaker 1: made icons of these people, I think we're constantly looking
Speaker 1: for the next one. Elon made a ton of really
Speaker 1: bold claims, but it's it's funny to me how people
Speaker 1: stick with these folks, Like you know, to me, if
Speaker 1: you're an Elon stand liked the truck window that couldn't
Speaker 1: be broken and then got broke on stage and presentation
Speaker 1: making take pause? Did the testles that are constantly on fire?
Speaker 1: Or the workers who you have so much more in
Speaker 1: common than you ever will with Elon, who have had
Speaker 1: to like constantly vocally protest their work conditions like make
Speaker 1: you rethink it's or you know, like the kind of
Speaker 1: irving fans who are like you at he's feeling he
Speaker 1: thinks the world is flat, y'all. Like I just would
Speaker 1: encourage you to consider, like what else these people are
Speaker 1: thinking and doing with sides what they say they can do,
Speaker 1: Like their actions should be speaking louder than their words.
Speaker 1: And that's what is perplexing about the Elon stands of
Speaker 1: it all. There are a lot of Elon stands out there,
Speaker 1: and it's just funny to me, Like he didn't even
Speaker 1: really like by Twitter to like, I feel like he
Speaker 1: just bought Twitter because he wanted. Well, first he was
Speaker 1: mad about like his daughter transitioning and like the free
Speaker 1: speech thing on Twitter R And I feel like he's
Speaker 1: just trying to get back at people and it's not wait,
Speaker 1: saymour Carmen, I didn't know his daughter was transitioning. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: his daughter transition And he claims that he lost his
Speaker 1: daughter to transactivists and like woke active like transwoke activism
Speaker 1: and all of that. So like he you know, he encourages,
Speaker 1: like openly encourages like transphobia on Twitter. Now you know
Speaker 1: now that comedy is legal again on on Twitter, every
Speaker 1: time someone shows their ask to be a villain, it
Speaker 1: goes right back to transphobia. And that is so upsetting
Speaker 1: to me. It is wild. Oh my gosh, Okay, so
Speaker 1: even more of a monster than I initially thought and
Speaker 1: openly and just like openly behind closed doors, but like
Speaker 1: among people who have worked with him openly racists. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's not east from South Africa. He owned
Speaker 1: a mind and two and two is four people. Truly.
Speaker 1: By the way, I just want to make sure because
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier that he has emerald emeralds in his pockets,
Speaker 1: and I think people might assume that that is like
Speaker 1: a metaphor where it's like he was born on third
Speaker 1: with emeralds in his pockets. No, he his dad, who
Speaker 1: also monster, but it was like, yeah, Ellen was always
Speaker 1: walking around with emeralds in his pocket trying like selling
Speaker 1: them to Tiffany's to get extra change, like extra pocket
Speaker 1: change basically because we owned an Emerald mind and he
Speaker 1: knew that gave him money. So yeah, truly, Nightmarish. I
Speaker 1: want to ask you, do you guys intend to keep
Speaker 1: using Twitter? Have you seen Twitter change all that much
Speaker 1: in the past couple of days? I never used it?
Speaker 1: Continue you never used Twitter? No? Uh well, I did
Speaker 1: say yeah, like just to peek on people, like lurk
Speaker 1: on people, but never because I hate that they put
Speaker 1: everything behind a wall. You know, Yeah, you can't see
Speaker 1: it unless you sign it in which I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm mainly a lurker to I do. I just the
Speaker 1: the other solution. I haven't like reshaped my life and
Speaker 1: my like way of tracking news enough to figure out
Speaker 1: like what I'm going to do, But I I am
Speaker 1: getting there to the place where I'm ready to jump ship.
Speaker 1: But I'm also I don't know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: much like I'll probably keep using it because I don't
Speaker 1: think it necessarily like changes that much to just like
Speaker 1: not have that window into into the world. I think
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what happens once the rule
Speaker 1: changes go into effect, which they pushed back to after today,
Speaker 1: so after the election then new rules go into effect,
Speaker 1: which I think was smart, but I don't know what
Speaker 1: how much difference would they make really, But just as
Speaker 1: far as like interactions, I mean, already you have a
Speaker 1: ton of people who are like reporting racism and they're
Speaker 1: being like, this is not violate Twitter rules. And if
Speaker 1: we're going to go in the opposite direction of less rules,
Speaker 1: it seems like there's going to be more rapid trolls
Speaker 1: and that that might impact user interactions and you know,
Speaker 1: just the general joy you get on the site as
Speaker 1: somebody who's used to Twitter a lot like, I am
Speaker 1: very addicted to Twitter. It's where I That's how I
Speaker 1: got started in the industry because despite having a degree,
Speaker 1: getting a job it was real hard when I first
Speaker 1: got here. Twitter gating my first couple of jobs. When
Speaker 1: I got the check mark and fair aside, it helps,
Speaker 1: you know, make me seem more professional to other jobs
Speaker 1: I was applying to, so that was really helpful. I
Speaker 1: have an entire network of black lady delegates who are
Speaker 1: you know, work all across this industry and many different positions.
Speaker 1: That's where our group chat lives is on Twitter. It's
Speaker 1: weird to think I might not be returning there soon.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely seeing a huge drop in like followers as
Speaker 1: people began to exit. And what's really hard is I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find a space that can replace what Twitter
Speaker 1: is for me, which is essentially a place that like
Speaker 1: words first. I like Instagram. I don't mind taking a
Speaker 1: picture of myself every now and again. I might even
Speaker 1: hop on a video into my stories, but I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to do that on the daily, and certainly not
Speaker 1: as much as I between that's a lot. I checked
Speaker 1: out Masodon, which is sort of like Discord and that
Speaker 1: there are different hubs that you can join, but that
Speaker 1: seems to the get the like universality of Twitter, where
Speaker 1: if you're putting it on a board, everybody who's on
Speaker 1: Twitter can see it on that board, whereas Masodon it's
Speaker 1: like segmented. I guess it's very hard to understand. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to learn. If you feel you're an expert in Massodon,
Speaker 1: please talk to me. Tumbler just brought youth back so there,
Speaker 1: so apparently yeah, they knew what was up. Yeah, to
Speaker 1: answer your question, it does feel like this is like
Speaker 1: there's been moments where people are like, we're all quitting Twitter.
Speaker 1: This feels different. It feels like things are dissolving on there.
Speaker 1: I can't remember a time where for a full week,
Speaker 1: like the content has just been like this bad. The
Speaker 1: conversation seemed to all be about Elon Musk, which I'm
Speaker 1: assuming is what he wanted in the first place. But
Speaker 1: it just makes four and I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: you know, the new regime fucking with like how the
Speaker 1: algorithm delivers tweets, But I do I do know that
Speaker 1: last night when I was checking Twitter, I got to
Speaker 1: like notific to just Elon Musk tweets in my feed,
Speaker 1: and I've never gotten an Elon Musk tweet tweet in
Speaker 1: my feed, but they like legitimate, genuine Elon must be
Speaker 1: and like we want to be the place for truth
Speaker 1: or like you know, some some bullshit mainstream like kind
Speaker 1: of appealing centrist take that's not the reality. I think
Speaker 1: it's so true what you were saying about iron Man.
Speaker 1: I put Elon Musk in the same category as Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 1: as these two figures who the zeitgeist dreamed up at
Speaker 1: the same time that like Hollywood was creating a figure
Speaker 1: that everybody wanted. So Jeffrey Dahmer, like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: still I think he was just a lazy person who
Speaker 1: didn't like clean up a lot of the dead bodies,
Speaker 1: and he might have like tried a piece of like
Speaker 1: one of his victims. But like the when he was
Speaker 1: being questioned, he the police really wanted him to be
Speaker 1: a cannibal, and it was right after Silence of the Lambs,
Speaker 1: and so he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's me.
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a cannibal. Like the the evidence isn't
Speaker 1: that strong. It just seems like he was a terrible
Speaker 1: alcoholic who was like just had the way that you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of alcoholics like don't clean up
Speaker 1: after themselves, just have like you know, things from work
Speaker 1: strewn all over there apart racist killings all of yeah,
Speaker 1: just racist murders all over the as like refrigerator and
Speaker 1: you know. But so that's like, my this is not
Speaker 1: a popular theory, by the way, but this is I've
Speaker 1: always I've always suspected that and I've never been able
Speaker 1: to like find the like, you know, the evidence that
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, he definitely did and not that he
Speaker 1: was just taking advantage of a thing. And it's just
Speaker 1: so weird that like America had their big cannibal serial
Speaker 1: killer right after Sounds of the Lambs was like a hit.
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I buy into this theory. Jack blowing
Speaker 1: my mind. But I buy into it because queens will
Speaker 1: if they think you did it. They'll, especially if you're
Speaker 1: a person who has any kind of like learning disability,
Speaker 1: your mental disability, or if you're like an addict is
Speaker 1: currently in the throes of your addiction, like they lean
Speaker 1: on you in such a way that you'll confess to
Speaker 1: you know, whatever it is they're talking about, And especially
Speaker 1: at that point if you already know you're screwed, like
Speaker 1: you might as well go out with a bang, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the person who eats people. Don't up with me
Speaker 1: when I gets prisy, We'll take a bite out of you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and Elon Musk came up right around the same
Speaker 1: time as Tony Stark, like he was just somebody who
Speaker 1: was very successful in business. Like you know, despite what
Speaker 1: their revisionist biographies will tell you, the only skill of
Speaker 1: almost any big CEO that becomes a billionaire is that
Speaker 1: they take advantage of their advantages, and they find a
Speaker 1: weakness in the system and exploit it repeatedly until they
Speaker 1: have more money than the system intended them to have.
Speaker 1: Like when you look back and like to a person,
Speaker 1: go person by person, it's just finding a weakness exploiting
Speaker 1: it over and over and over again until you have way, way,
Speaker 1: way too much money. And then they write these stories
Speaker 1: where it's all about like, well, I had this vision
Speaker 1: and you know I did it all by myself, and
Speaker 1: it's actually like no, you were just like in the
Speaker 1: right place at the right time, around the right people
Speaker 1: all got very lucky took advantage of your work stepped
Speaker 1: all over people and well they yeah, yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: having this public persona that everybody really fucks with and
Speaker 1: like that, you know, iron Man is inadvertently doing your
Speaker 1: pr work for you. It's it's also happening, like it
Speaker 1: kind of ties back to the polling thing, because it's
Speaker 1: happening at a time when we still believe that like
Speaker 1: a technocrat could save us, that like this, we could
Speaker 1: just keep getting better technology and answer you know, all
Speaker 1: of these challenges that we had, even though like all
Speaker 1: of the information we had coming in that was reliable
Speaker 1: was like, no, the world is ending, you guys, there's
Speaker 1: we have a climate disaster and like the most powerful
Speaker 1: people in the world are unwilling to admit it. But
Speaker 1: what you're saying is Avatar was right and Marvel was wrong.
Speaker 1: We picked the wrong. I am kind of saying that
Speaker 1: I didn't want to come out and say, Joel, because
Speaker 1: I know you would be pissed. But alright, real quick,
Speaker 1: let's let's give the people something that they could be
Speaker 1: watching that is not Twitter that like Wendell and Wild
Speaker 1: is a movie that is from the artist who made
Speaker 1: Nightmare Before Christmas and then had Tim Burton like slap
Speaker 1: his name on it. But Henry Selick created that. He
Speaker 1: created Coraline, which is like a classic stop motion animation
Speaker 1: like visual extravaganza. His latest movie is a collaboration with
Speaker 1: Jordan's Peel. It is supposed to be just like incredible,
Speaker 1: like one of the most visually like stunning movies in years,
Speaker 1: which is like what happens every time this person releases
Speaker 1: a movie and Netflix is just like not even telling
Speaker 1: people it exists. They're not like promoting it. It's pretty wild.
Speaker 1: That wasn't another wild conversation sation that we can definitely
Speaker 1: get into the idea of what is being and what
Speaker 1: isn't being promoted. And I have to say that it
Speaker 1: comes much more down to the algorithm and not as
Speaker 1: much like money and intent to promote. So I have
Speaker 1: a lot of friends who work MPR and this is
Speaker 1: like a very frustrating line for them. They're like, we
Speaker 1: were her assets off trying to promote these films to
Speaker 1: get in front of your eyes. But because we become
Speaker 1: such disparate groups, because there are so many spaces where
Speaker 1: you can just opt out of ads, you're not frequently
Speaker 1: and because less people are commuting to work now than ever.
Speaker 1: Although a lot have returned, the spaces where you're used
Speaker 1: to seeing ads are no longer being tapped into, and
Speaker 1: so a lot of people are missing it. I've seen
Speaker 1: this promoted here and there, and because it's a Netflix movie,
Speaker 1: and because Netflix is currently in the throes of figuring
Speaker 1: out like what is their next move, they're struggling to
Speaker 1: you know, they don't have the funds they might once
Speaker 1: to have had to go full tilt. Even Disney has
Speaker 1: had a bunch of properties come out this year and
Speaker 1: the only thing they've leaned into in a crazy way
Speaker 1: is Black Panther, where they were essentially like, if it's
Speaker 1: a product, we'll put Black Panther on it. We do
Speaker 1: not care at this point. This is the movie that's
Speaker 1: going to save our bottom line. It's also we're seeing
Speaker 1: across p on the pr side. I'll come here and
Speaker 1: promote this movie in case it hasn't crossed your timeline yet.
Speaker 1: Henry Selick, as Jack just mentioned, is a genius director.
Speaker 1: He did a Nightmare Before Christmas and Coraline, and he
Speaker 1: did it with major studios that have, you know, their
Speaker 1: bottom line and their own specific desires. There's a reason
Speaker 1: you put Tim Burton on Nightmare before Christmas, right as
Speaker 1: you know, he's coming off of this succuss of Beetlejuice
Speaker 1: and some of his other films. UH. Edwards Is or
Speaker 1: Hands and stuff like that. It was and aimed to
Speaker 1: bring in, you know, more teenage viewers, because this was
Speaker 1: one of the first movies Disney did that wasn't strictly
Speaker 1: aimed at children. And it comes post their nineteen eighties
Speaker 1: very dark phase. Then they have the Little Mermaid come
Speaker 1: out and they're like very shining, and they weren't sure
Speaker 1: how it was gonna check their dark days. If you
Speaker 1: know anything about Disney in the late seventies early eighties,
Speaker 1: it was a real problem for them. The studio almost
Speaker 1: collapsed until Little Mermaid came out, and because of that,
Speaker 1: Henry Sellek is constantly being lost lost, even though he's
Speaker 1: one of the greatest are Like Country has ever produced.
Speaker 1: As far as visual creators. It costs a lot, a lot,
Speaker 1: a lot of money to make stop motion. So he
Speaker 1: goes to join Peel with Wendell and Wilde and he
Speaker 1: created UH in partnership with Monkey Post Studio. The film
Speaker 1: follows the story of Cat played by Lyric Ross, who
Speaker 1: has become hardened by the school to prison pipeline after
Speaker 1: her parents died in a car crash. Kath blanes herself
Speaker 1: as she ages, she becomes increasingly angry. As an orphan,
Speaker 1: She's passed around between foster homes and detention centers until
Speaker 1: she lands back in her hometown and all girls boarding
Speaker 1: school school here sucks. The ones thriving town now resembles
Speaker 1: an abandoned factory town. Both families have left and the
Speaker 1: ones that stayed are a hoarded their wealth or are
Speaker 1: trying like heck to prevent what to preserve what little
Speaker 1: community is left. Eventually, Kat begins to find her people.
Speaker 1: Raoul sam Zeleia, trans boy, eager to express himself, all
Speaker 1: stuck in a school for girls and this hell Air
Speaker 1: played by Angela Bassett, a nun who was secretly a
Speaker 1: demon hunter. When Cat discovers the way to bring her
Speaker 1: parents back, she calls, most nuns are I think we
Speaker 1: can all agree? Yeah? So, when Cat discovers a way
Speaker 1: to bring her parents back, she calls to demons Wendel
Speaker 1: and Wild Kickan, Michael Key and Jordan Peel from the Underworld,
Speaker 1: and Calamity ensues, demons run amuck, Cat remains closed off
Speaker 1: from the community that's eager to help her, and two
Speaker 1: evil parents inspired to close the boarding school and turn
Speaker 1: the surrounding lands into a prison. Cells return to animation
Speaker 1: is a long overdue. Despite creating two of the most
Speaker 1: popular children's films in the past twenty years, no studio
Speaker 1: is willing to bank roll and cost his next stop
Speaker 1: motion picture, And while Wendell and Wild lacks the whimsy
Speaker 1: enlightness of his previous endeavors, it also put just the
Speaker 1: boundaries of what children's films are willing to discuss with kids.
Speaker 1: Trans writes and denial of gender affirmation, the depressions and
Speaker 1: isolation of children lost in the system, and the strength
Speaker 1: it takes to stand up to one's elders are all
Speaker 1: under spread, all on display, under selic and peels pens.
Speaker 1: On top of that, the animation is flawless. At times,
Speaker 1: I forgot I was watching stop motion. The movement was
Speaker 1: super fluid. The underworld is a blaze of dazzling green
Speaker 1: and tourly amusement park rides and rules. Art piece is inspiring. However,
Speaker 1: the film does wrong long at a hundred and two minutes,
Speaker 1: and while the messages are important, that there are so
Speaker 1: many characters and stuff plots of challenging to keep everything straight.
Speaker 1: As much as I love moments in the film, I
Speaker 1: didn't feel the whole thing came together. But I'm glad
Speaker 1: Selic and Peel teamed up, and I'm hoping to see
Speaker 1: more out of the pair in the future. Selka's eager
Speaker 1: to craft more of his masterpieces, and it would be
Speaker 1: great if you weren't begging or creatively stifled as he
Speaker 1: continued his career. You can watch Wendle and Wild on
Speaker 1: Netflix right now. Come for the beautiful animation, stay for
Speaker 1: the extraordinary vocal performance. Is Damn joel On one of
Speaker 1: our one of our great film critics, and we're lucky
Speaker 1: to have had an actual piece of film criticism from you.
Speaker 1: I hope to do it more. I should mentioned this
Speaker 1: film did premiere at tiff a while ago. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1: If you get a chance. I know what was screening
Speaker 1: on It was doing a couple of screenings. I think
Speaker 1: they're doing a couple of more special screenings. If you
Speaker 1: get a chance to see it on the big screen.
Speaker 1: It is truly, truly beautiful, and I think that you know,
Speaker 1: having had this run with Monkey Pow, knowing that they're
Speaker 1: trying to do more films like this. You know, I
Speaker 1: think it takes a lot of guts to make a
Speaker 1: film with an unlikable character, or it might be better
Speaker 1: to say Cat is uninterested in being liked. You know,
Speaker 1: I liked her a lot because she's a badass black
Speaker 1: girl who's not taking anything one ship and is really
Speaker 1: on a mission to sort of liberate herself from the
Speaker 1: confines she's been left in. But I also think, you know,
Speaker 1: I hope that getting to do this again and having
Speaker 1: money in and more time, he'll be able to crash
Speaker 1: something a little bit tightier toward us is seeing and
Speaker 1: all these great pieces, so Sellok's great. I'm glad he
Speaker 1: had this opportunity to tell this story. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: in collaborating, like like you mentioned Jordan Peele, like co
Speaker 1: wrote it. So like that Jordan Peele is one of
Speaker 1: the only people who can open a movie like just
Speaker 1: by working behind the scenes on a movie, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a Jordan Peel directed like a
Speaker 1: movie that that like everybody's gonna turn out too. But
Speaker 1: you would think that they would kind of lean into that.
Speaker 1: But I do think like Disney, what Disney did with
Speaker 1: Tim Burton and Nightmare Before Christmas kind of fucked up
Speaker 1: anyone's ability to do that on a Henry Selick movie.
Speaker 1: I think now he's like, this should is all me, baby, Yeah,
Speaker 1: as it should be. As it should be. He deserved
Speaker 1: all that for so many people are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know Tim burn director that he didn't. It's presented
Speaker 1: by him. He was a producer. He gave many a note.
Speaker 1: He drew a lot of the characters, and then somebody
Speaker 1: else sculpted. But let's be real, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: and especially if you're gonna do a stop motion picture,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be so many hands involved creatively. Like I
Speaker 1: think it's just always important to recognize the directors to
Speaker 1: do what to me seems an important I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys have ever seen stop motion and action.
Speaker 1: It is so tedious. It is such a difficult task.
Speaker 1: The other one thing about the movies you get to
Speaker 1: see Kega, Michael Key and Jordan Peele do their key
Speaker 1: and peel stick a lot. The demons look like some
Speaker 1: of the uh furious There was an airplane sketch they
Speaker 1: did with where they had these strange beards. Those are
Speaker 1: on the characters at one point you get ay if
Speaker 1: you've seen their football sketches where they call it to
Speaker 1: their like weird names, and they're like, just be a doofy,
Speaker 1: Like it's a lot of that energy. So their scenes
Speaker 1: are a lot of fun too. Yeah, and it's cool
Speaker 1: that it's on the theme of like the School to prison,
Speaker 1: like Pipeline Hell yeah, you know, trans great and it's
Speaker 1: like all spooky, paranormal themed. It's very punk rock, whereas
Speaker 1: the other films are like again super into like The
Speaker 1: Whimsy and and sort of you know, Neil Game is
Speaker 1: like fairy Tale Center and The Nightmare Before Christmas is
Speaker 1: all about lore. This is just very much like my
Speaker 1: dad was in a punk rock and so am I
Speaker 1: have a giant boom box and spiked boots and bright
Speaker 1: green hair. Fun with me if you dare kind of energy.
Speaker 1: It's very thirteen I think about the thirteen year old
Speaker 1: I might have more appreciation for this film. That's who
Speaker 1: it was made for anyhow. And then I spoke to
Speaker 1: a woman whose parents died when she was young. She
Speaker 1: found a lot of semblance in the movie. She connected
Speaker 1: a lot with the main character and felt you know,
Speaker 1: it described her rage and anger post their desks really well.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people get a lot of different
Speaker 1: things out of the movie, which I think, you know,
Speaker 1: is typically really hard to do. So definitely watch it.
Speaker 1: I give it a solid beeplus is. Yeah, I'll what
Speaker 1: probably not have a chance to maybe maybe I will
Speaker 1: have a chance to watch it. But Mike, I say
Speaker 1: the PG thirteen is not for violence at all, and
Speaker 1: I didn't think the demons are particularly frightening and they're
Speaker 1: not like devilish or gory at all. I think it
Speaker 1: really comes down to subject matter, maybe some language if
Speaker 1: I remember expectfully. Yeah, I think, you know, my four
Speaker 1: year old is probably not ready for it, but it
Speaker 1: would be hard to give four year old attention on
Speaker 1: this film, to be honest, I had to watch it
Speaker 1: twice before I felt I fully understood all of the
Speaker 1: things that were happening in it. Yeah. Although Selex said
Speaker 1: that he was like after Cortline wasn't like the movie
Speaker 1: that he necessarily or like, you know, it was a hit,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like a huge hit, and it was,
Speaker 1: you know, as you mentioned, so challenging to make. He
Speaker 1: wasn't sure he was going to make another movie, and
Speaker 1: then he the show Key and Peel was like just
Speaker 1: creating at such an amazing level that he said it
Speaker 1: inspired him to start working again, and like that, I
Speaker 1: read that beautiful. Oh I love a full circle moment.
Speaker 1: I think cam feel is like I've I've always said,
Speaker 1: I think Jordan Peel's work as a comedic actor is underrated.
Speaker 1: Like you know, before he made films, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's my favorite comedic actor. Like his performances are just
Speaker 1: so subtle and like they're big. It's it's also not
Speaker 1: like me big, but some of his choices are I
Speaker 1: think to your point, amongst those big actions, you'll see
Speaker 1: you do small things that you're like, what is happening there?
Speaker 1: That's weird And it's an interesting like character which I
Speaker 1: think sometimes gets lost in comedy, which is all about
Speaker 1: the punch line, But he really he talks to you
Speaker 1: about how he builds horror around a joke set up
Speaker 1: to reveal a punchline, which if you've seen you know,
Speaker 1: uh nope, he totally get when you're watching it, because
Speaker 1: the whole thing is stringing you along until that final
Speaker 1: moment where you're like, oh my god, and it's almost funny.
Speaker 1: It's comical in in a more of a like nebulous
Speaker 1: universal way. It's wild. Yeah, he's extremely talented. It's so
Speaker 1: good and yeah, I think Key and Peel like it.
Speaker 1: I think it'll last, like people will still be talking
Speaker 1: about it years. It holds up if you go back
Speaker 1: and watch if you haven't seen it in a while.
Speaker 1: It's a good rewatch. So good well Carmen as always
Speaker 1: truly a pleasure having you on the dailies like Ice.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 1: Well my Instagram that's my only social I have that.
Speaker 1: You can find me at where in the world is
Speaker 1: Underscore Carmen or you can follow the podcast Beauty Translated
Speaker 1: Pod also on Instagram. The whole season one a Beauty
Speaker 1: Translated podcast is out now, so go and listen to it.
Speaker 1: We're working on a season two. So super good car
Speaker 1: and has so many great guests and they're so vulnerable
Speaker 1: and sharing their story. Isn't it just it's so good.
Speaker 1: I love this podcast. It's so thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Is there a tweet or something on Instagram? We're gonna
Speaker 1: have to change this part. We're gonna. Is there any
Speaker 1: work of social media that you've been enjoying? I saw
Speaker 1: this The Onion posted this on Instagram, like on Instagram
Speaker 1: right before I hopped in here, and it's a headline
Speaker 1: that says centrist advocates moderate approach to Jennifer. I thought
Speaker 1: that was perfect my screenshot at that, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be my tweets. So there you go. That's good, Joel.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? What is a tweet you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Or y'all have find me doing some of
Speaker 1: my best work at Comic Con Meta pod there's a
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Speaker 1: could just come to any of my social pages there
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Speaker 1: conversations just you guys. I talked to Gean Carlos Pito
Speaker 1: and made him fry. I spoke to Jessica Gao about
Speaker 1: how she pitched She Hoped. We talked to Cody Zigler,
Speaker 1: who wrote the Daredevil episode of She Hulk, and he
Speaker 1: broke down how he got that episode by bringing in
Speaker 1: a Daredevil comic randomly to a writer's room and they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, well you have all the facts, so
Speaker 1: you're writing that episode. Uh. And my co host, Hector Navarro,
Speaker 1: and I who Hector is like a encyclopedia of nerd stuff.
Speaker 1: He's really been helping me break down all the nerd news.
Speaker 1: We have really great episodes coming up this Wednesday. So
Speaker 1: tomorrow for you guys, we have Kevin Kiner, the only
Speaker 1: composer who's composed more Star Wars music than John Williams. Uh.
Speaker 1: He just did the New Tales of the Jedi series
Speaker 1: and the music is so good y'all. So he breaks
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Speaker 1: me all the internet actual mee's j O E l
Speaker 1: o E m O n I Q you. I've really
Speaker 1: been appreciating the tweets that have been dunking on Champagne
Speaker 1: Poppy after his ridoculous album dropped and he decided he
Speaker 1: was gonna put Meg the Stallion's name in his mouth,
Speaker 1: as well as Serena's husband. My favorite one was I
Speaker 1: know this NBA wife is not calling anybody a groupie,
Speaker 1: followed by many many pictures of Drake with many many
Speaker 1: basketball stars. Delightful, keep that energy coming uh from it's
Speaker 1: the Brandy tweeted, I opened a delivery app because I
Speaker 1: wanted beer, and then I got excited by the dining options,
Speaker 1: and then got said because I realized my address was
Speaker 1: still the bar in Brooklyn. I did trivia at been there, Brandy.
Speaker 1: It's brutal. You're like, oh, oh, this looks so good.
Speaker 1: That's not the address I'm currently at. None of that
Speaker 1: food will come to me. And then Jacob Hall at
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Speaker 1: stores have taken over them all. The r C Vehicle
Speaker 1: Specialty Shop, the unofficial Level Store knock off, the horror
Speaker 1: Member billion store, the place that was all wrestling ship,
Speaker 1: the fast empty store that we just dozens of coin
Speaker 1: operated baby rides. I think, but I'm all lately it's
Speaker 1: very strange. It is a weird experience, feel like run
Speaker 1: down sears and then way too many coin operated like
Speaker 1: either rides or massage chairs. I don't know what's happening
Speaker 1: to America's malls, but will you need to bring them back?
Speaker 1: M Yeah these days for sure. You can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien, uh tweet. I've been
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Speaker 1: on Twitter because you have to you have to make
Speaker 1: you actually don't have to make it clear. The only
Speaker 1: person who minds if you parody them is Elon. But
Speaker 1: Bill ni though said, damn how much daylight they trying
Speaker 1: to save? As dark as hell? That is, yeah, we
Speaker 1: I we didn't address it yet, but that it's daily
Speaker 1: the it's dark as hell, And I thought I stopped
Speaker 1: paying attention to the story when the Senate Senate passed
Speaker 1: unanimously legislation to do away with the change. But then
Speaker 1: the House, who were about to be here in a
Speaker 1: lot more bad news from if if polsters are right,
Speaker 1: which they probably aren't. But the House has yet to
Speaker 1: find consensus, because please do what House? I'm tired. I
Speaker 1: don't ever have to switch a clock again, or just
Speaker 1: my dog doesn't like it, like it's too much, it's
Speaker 1: over kill. We just need one time of day, Okay,
Speaker 1: lights are gonna be on anyway. The yet to find
Speaker 1: consensus quote is from Representative Frank Polone Jr. Chairman of
Speaker 1: the House Energy and Commerce Committee. If I don't know
Speaker 1: if you could find a cursed committee, then House Energy
Speaker 1: and Commerce, the things that are killing us all anyway.
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Speaker 1: Super producer Justin Smith, do you have a song that
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