Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to sixty four,
Speaker 1: Episode one of Dirt Day. Yeah, it's a production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. What do you say about the white screen?
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Speaker 1: most mainstream of democrat. Anyways, Hey Miles, this is a
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Speaker 1: funniest stand ups doing it. His album sixteen Bits is
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Speaker 1: don't usually do content warnings, but I got a warning you.
Speaker 1: This guy's it's a little twisted. His brain is pretty
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not like it's not your grandpa's brain.
Speaker 1: This guy's a little I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 1: heard of the joker? This guy's this gout have been
Speaker 1: Joker five. Please welcome brilliant, the talented Stephen Wilbur. Let's
Speaker 1: try nice, try guys, and uh see what you're have
Speaker 1: to do. Pump me up with that whole kilker stuff.
Speaker 1: We want to see how I got these emotional scars.
Speaker 1: Want me to do something fun like that. But it's
Speaker 1: been not too long since I've been on the show,
Speaker 1: and I wonder why that is. You've been You've been
Speaker 1: interrogating us ever since you got on, asking like who dropped? Why?
Speaker 1: Why am I back? Can it just be that we
Speaker 1: really like you. We want the mayor of We want
Speaker 1: the mayor of Rocu City here. I wish, I wish
Speaker 1: it was that simple. I wish I could come in
Speaker 1: here and talk about Roccu, the Roccus City, Abo sity A,
Speaker 1: about sy I wish I could. I wish I could
Speaker 1: do system of the Down parodies. But no. The fact
Speaker 1: is the last time I was on here, we had
Speaker 1: a fun little riff session. About that time Aaron Carter
Speaker 1: beat Shaquille O'Neil at a game about one and then
Speaker 1: a few days later, who passed away? Spoiler. It wasn't
Speaker 1: shock and I don't want to be a part of
Speaker 1: your little like sick audio version of death note where
Speaker 1: I come on and use five powers to eliminate people
Speaker 1: on your poop list. So I'm just gonna I'm just gonna.
Speaker 1: I know I talked a lot already, but I'm just gonna.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go anything anywhere. I'm not gonna talk
Speaker 1: about anything. If I talk about anything, it's only gonna
Speaker 1: be about let us just superrated Elvis, underrated Aliyah. Like
Speaker 1: that's what That's what I've people on today's episode evoke
Speaker 1: JFK Jr. Saw the people that went to Deely plot
Speaker 1: again for off the strength of the Q are going
Speaker 1: to be like, he's back. What if we have the
Speaker 1: reverse power? Yeah, let's try to bring people back this episode.
Speaker 1: Let's do a fun riff about Junior. Yeah, I've already
Speaker 1: spilled my blood in accordance with the blood decrees that
Speaker 1: we signed. So you spit your blood. I gotta say,
Speaker 1: man that you you brought up the shack Nick Carter
Speaker 1: thing to end to the point there. I didn't even
Speaker 1: Aaron Carter. Yeah, Aaron Carter My back to the point
Speaker 1: that I didn't even know his fucking name just then,
Speaker 1: just now. But also I didn't I didn't know about
Speaker 1: that song. I had to go watch the video. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is some attempt to lay the groundwork for your defense.
Speaker 1: But did I Heart Radio tell you in a memo
Speaker 1: to gaslight me today that the gaslight special for wilbur
Speaker 1: Let's that is how they start off every day. It's
Speaker 1: just streets with this gas light him the gas like
Speaker 1: spend show night. Great to have you back. All right, Well, Stephen,
Speaker 1: we're going to get to know you a little bit better.
Speaker 1: We're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things
Speaker 1: that we're talking about today. We're gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: right wing response to the Senate moving to defend gay
Speaker 1: marriage and interracial marriage. And they are like what there.
Speaker 1: They think they're like big mad in a way that
Speaker 1: suggests they think everybody's with them on this one, even
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro. We're gonna get to. It's the rare treat
Speaker 1: where we get to hear from Ben Shapiro, so we'll
Speaker 1: check in with him. Rare treat. We're going to check
Speaker 1: in with the effective altruism movement, which is starting to
Speaker 1: get a lot of attention after the collapse of f
Speaker 1: t X. Effective altruism is this like philosophical utilitarian system
Speaker 1: of ideas that like really started from a good place.
Speaker 1: It was all about like how do we do the
Speaker 1: most good? And it started with likely using analysis, yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it got infected by capitalism, and so I
Speaker 1: just want to talk about that, talk about how FTX
Speaker 1: is collapses being covered first of all, and then just
Speaker 1: talk about the all corrupting influence of of capitalism. And
Speaker 1: then we're gonna talk about some Hallmark Christmas movies because
Speaker 1: there's there's been a schism. No, what do you mean
Speaker 1: making a Hallmark Candice Cameron Burr. You don't have to
Speaker 1: mention her, but I'm going to she she made headlines
Speaker 1: for like saying, nah, Hallmark is to woke for me.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about that play more. But first,
Speaker 1: Powerful Steve, we do like task our guests, what is
Speaker 1: something from your search history corn flower smell? Corn flowers smell?
Speaker 1: What's like this this like the scent of a corn flower?
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know if it had one, what
Speaker 1: is that like it grows from corn, Like we're talking
Speaker 1: about the flower the like cooking flour made from corn,
Speaker 1: I'm talking Are you talking about the you are or
Speaker 1: f l O W E R? Or are we talking
Speaker 1: about centaurya syanis? I'm talking about the perfume made by
Speaker 1: Jonathan Davis. No, I'm talking about the So, dude, what
Speaker 1: would that? What would Jonathan Davis? Is corn inspired? Fucking
Speaker 1: coloone smell? I don't know, but I'd call it recon
Speaker 1: a wesh ago there we go. No, the flower, I
Speaker 1: don't know why it's called Oh it was a weed
Speaker 1: in Cornfield. I guess wikipedia, did you are? You like
Speaker 1: walking past them pretty frequently and you never had the
Speaker 1: courage to smell it, So you're like, let me try
Speaker 1: the Internet before I stick my nose in another flower.
Speaker 1: That's gonna make me sneeze. I think, just as a
Speaker 1: creative type, when I think of a flower like corn flower,
Speaker 1: something about it. It's got a very cellar door quality
Speaker 1: to me, Like, I love just corn flower as a
Speaker 1: as a word. So I just kind of want to
Speaker 1: know if I were to drop that in something saying
Speaker 1: that it had a smell. Damn, I right, my right
Speaker 1: was saying and I saw that there were some corn
Speaker 1: flower like perfume things, so I assume it must have
Speaker 1: some sort of unless the corn flower served as some
Speaker 1: sort of binding agent for the perfume. Yeah, I can
Speaker 1: see that being in a novel, like a art novel
Speaker 1: like corn the the color of the sky painted the
Speaker 1: color of corn flower or something like that, you know,
Speaker 1: the corn Flower Murders. A Jack Gray Mystery You written
Speaker 1: by Stephen Wilber forward by Norah Roberts right the end
Speaker 1: of the end of Cornflower Road. This sounds of sounds
Speaker 1: like another one too, a memoir. There's a news splash.
Speaker 1: Mont Santo is just taking out all corn flowers. Holy shit,
Speaker 1: that's crazy to lind up like that. Mmmm alright was
Speaker 1: too close to the Yeah, like what you did, like
Speaker 1: what you did with your powers again, this is like
Speaker 1: the time I was on Rogan and talked about bees that.
Speaker 1: I feel like that could be a like shitty Stephen
Speaker 1: King short story is like person who goes on podcasts
Speaker 1: because he just had that one where it's like magic
Speaker 1: cell phone that kills people when you leave a voicemail.
Speaker 1: Four dead guy like right right, yeah, death curse, death
Speaker 1: Caste and death cast for cutie. Yeah, what is something
Speaker 1: you think is overrated? Let's be honest. Twitter m hm
Speaker 1: oh go wow wow hit him with it, Stephen, what's
Speaker 1: going on over there? Oh you want to hear some realty? Yeah,
Speaker 1: between you and me and the wall. Uh, it's not
Speaker 1: looking so great. Watch by the time this comes out,
Speaker 1: you might have actually killed I know, like you've really
Speaker 1: you're really flying close to the sun right now. Man, y'all,
Speaker 1: if this comes out Monday and you are getting the
Speaker 1: whale ship on your on your browser phone, Stephen, is
Speaker 1: there like a po box that can send you veiled threats? Uh?
Speaker 1: Not just a tweet tweet? Okay, okay, okay, there you go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are you are you looking at the like, how are
Speaker 1: you experiencing the end of Twitter? Or like the Twitter
Speaker 1: freakouts that are happening on the platform. You're just like watching?
Speaker 1: Are you? Do you feel compelled to say things? Because
Speaker 1: when I look at Twitter, it reminds me of like
Speaker 1: having senior itis in high school, where I'm like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: a lot of these people are getting like sappy about
Speaker 1: this ship. I'm ready to go, you know, and I'm
Speaker 1: high every day in class and because I don't give
Speaker 1: a funk if the teacher's catch me this time. But
Speaker 1: I do feel like it is sad though, because I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want it to go away, but also I
Speaker 1: don't have the energy to express any of it. Like
Speaker 1: my Twitter feed is. Most times something happens, it is
Speaker 1: all just comedians doing their jokes about it and anything
Speaker 1: I could possibly think of to say funny somebody on
Speaker 1: the East Coast, Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm like that would
Speaker 1: have been good growing down, like, oh that's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's not funny. One thought I had was like,
Speaker 1: if it's really going down, just changed my avatar and
Speaker 1: just go mask off a o L chat room troll
Speaker 1: like on ignorant people like when I used to have
Speaker 1: that kind of energy. But I was like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't need a dabble in that. But I just
Speaker 1: see some I'm an old man. I'm an old man
Speaker 1: now I've learned. You know, it's not it's not worth
Speaker 1: what what what would you do with your I don't
Speaker 1: even know, man, I I don't know. Like I look
Speaker 1: at my drafts and ship and I'm like wow, wow, yeah.
Speaker 1: Times I've withheld like fucking atomic blasts on on threads
Speaker 1: and ship. But it's like again, I think it's mostly
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that the dangerous part for
Speaker 1: me was getting too caught up in like it being
Speaker 1: uh purely like for my ego expression on Twitter, and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I like larking. I'll do that
Speaker 1: healthier me. Very larking, Yeah, very larking. What Stephen is
Speaker 1: something you think is underrated? Honestly betraying Twitter? No? Um,
Speaker 1: vodka mm hmm uh huh. A lot of people ride
Speaker 1: on vodka, and I think we should appreciate it a
Speaker 1: little more. It's like the blank canvas for a lot
Speaker 1: of great drinks. Like it's like turkey. Turkey, you can
Speaker 1: seize in turkey with everything. It's like delicious and like
Speaker 1: it's like turkey your chicken. Yeah, you just like you
Speaker 1: put anything on it. It's like a turkey. Do I
Speaker 1: eat a lot of turkey? Yeah? I'm a sleepy boy,
Speaker 1: old baby ball. A lot of people, a lot of
Speaker 1: people like buy expensive tequila so it will taste like vodka. Like, bro,
Speaker 1: it's so all this clean good. It tastes like drinking nothing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the most vodka guy, right, are you big like
Speaker 1: drink connoisseur. You like cocktails and things like that. Oh god, no,
Speaker 1: just pulled that one out of thinner. I love I
Speaker 1: love a Moscow mule. That I mean, who did it
Speaker 1: twelve years ago? Rude? Wow, I'm a guest. I'm a guest.
Speaker 1: People with my voice. Okay, never mind, never mind, never mind. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Moscow mules, real good, real good. Vodka, vodka, vodka, Twitter,
Speaker 1: Moscow mules, those copper mugs, they've vanished. Go look in
Speaker 1: your cabinets. They're gone, folks, They're gone. Were you sent
Speaker 1: by the CIA to destabilize Russia? Do you think? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that? What this is coming down? Anywhere? This is
Speaker 1: all just over zoomed. Could I caught an email They
Speaker 1: were like, hey, wako for I'll cover to the computer
Speaker 1: rag on Russia a little bit. You don't even need
Speaker 1: to put on pants. Cool, and then we'll send you
Speaker 1: an Amazon gift card. Yeah. It's like the idea stranger
Speaker 1: things are just always about, like eleven would actually grow
Speaker 1: into what Stephen. What we're saying Stephen is is a
Speaker 1: person who goes on podcasts and can kill people. That's
Speaker 1: the whole That's what the whole lead up to Stranger
Speaker 1: Things is really about preventing eleven from being able to
Speaker 1: go on podcasts and get those takes off that kill people.
Speaker 1: H h, I'm actually I'm twelve. Oh okay, it's cute,
Speaker 1: um because it says it's a Stephen number. All right,
Speaker 1: let's go on, get on to the Yeah, that's good stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah twelve. Sure you don't want to tweet that? Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah it get it in under the wire a somebody
Speaker 1: already did three hours ago. Alright, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back. And we're back. And
Speaker 1: so is same sex marriage even in a racial marriages
Speaker 1: back in the spotlight like it nevertheless, it's back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there of it over here. That's how I expressed that,
Speaker 1: Like I'm having marital troubles is I'm like, uh, interracial
Speaker 1: marriage guys, not great. I'm the poster boy that they hire.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm telling you, guys, you don't to do it.
Speaker 1: My life is terrible because my parents so reckless, not
Speaker 1: sticking with their own. But yeah, the ever since the
Speaker 1: Senate moved the Respect for Marriage Act to a vote, uh, like,
Speaker 1: it's just been full freak outs on the right. I
Speaker 1: feel like the last ten days or so, has been
Speaker 1: just a lot of like Republicans and like people in
Speaker 1: the mainstream who are like, wait, the status quo as
Speaker 1: we saw it isn't what what what? What's happening here?
Speaker 1: They're like utterly confused. The first guy, Brian Brown, who's
Speaker 1: like the head of this hate group, the National Organization
Speaker 1: for Marriage, is so angry about what happened. He wrote
Speaker 1: this email to like all of the people who are
Speaker 1: you know, supporters of this hate crew said, quote sadly
Speaker 1: and tragically, the United States Senate, with the collusion of
Speaker 1: twelve turn quote Republican senators who portrayed their party platform
Speaker 1: and the votes of fifty million Americans who enacted state
Speaker 1: constitutional amendments defining marriage as the union of one man
Speaker 1: and one woman, have voted to impose same sex quote
Speaker 1: unquote marriage on the nation. This is a very confused.
Speaker 1: A couple m dashes, but that's a run on sentence,
Speaker 1: my friends. Yeah, well that's look when you come when
Speaker 1: when you're here, that mad I guess. Yeah, grammar goes
Speaker 1: out the window when you're so filled with hate. Now,
Speaker 1: this isn't the Brian Brown, Australian actor who played Tom Cruises,
Speaker 1: sense in Cocktail, right, you know, I don't think it's
Speaker 1: the same. It's not. It's not the guy from fx
Speaker 1: F F X two. No, no, no, I thought that
Speaker 1: was Michael Caine in both of those cases. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: does look like to crack Michael Kane. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy owns up on Nathan for
Speaker 1: you saying he's a Michael Caine impersonator and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and this guy is kind of weird. He was an Aussie.
Speaker 1: But it's all good. That is Steven. Like for somebody
Speaker 1: who came on and say, you're not going to get
Speaker 1: me to talk about people who might die, Wow, Brian
Speaker 1: Brown is alive if I talk about older people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like that wasn't me. Okay, uh, well we'll see
Speaker 1: bucks like Aaron Carter. It's like, oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Great responsibility. This letter goes on to say this is
Speaker 1: a very disappointing development. It feels like a punch in
Speaker 1: the gut from people who regularly portrayed themselves as conservatives
Speaker 1: and people of faith, yet who have voted with the
Speaker 1: radical homosexual lobby and the most extreme elements of the
Speaker 1: Democrat Party that we intend to hold them accountable. At
Speaker 1: the end, he's like, we need donations to man and
Speaker 1: there's like a thing like at the bottom says donate
Speaker 1: crypto too, really, but it says you can donate in crypto. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the sign off it's like donated, donate and he says
Speaker 1: donate crypto here, It's like, wow, like I stam on
Speaker 1: top of a scam if to have a paper trail, right, yes,
Speaker 1: that the is that I haven't donated crypto in a
Speaker 1: long time. Like, is that who's still mainly in the
Speaker 1: crypto is like people being people who are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll probably be ashamed by this. So I don't even
Speaker 1: know what what the point of that is. I think
Speaker 1: it's just sort of like they're they're going all out.
Speaker 1: Also think because a lot of the thinking is look,
Speaker 1: usually when this many people, like you know, get it
Speaker 1: to a vote, it means they got the votes to
Speaker 1: pass it for the final vote. Unless we can get
Speaker 1: to enough people in the House of Representatives, please give
Speaker 1: me a hundred thousand dollars because you hate people getting
Speaker 1: married to who they love anyway, then one of the
Speaker 1: like televangelist, former spiritual adviser to Donald Trump has just
Speaker 1: been like I think just seeing everything whither away from
Speaker 1: like the abortion SmackDown to the then like the Senate
Speaker 1: pushing through, the respect for mayor of Jack going just
Speaker 1: guns blazing against Donald Trump, just saying it's just everything,
Speaker 1: Like I think this version has had enough and said quote,
Speaker 1: if Mr Trump can't stop his little petty issues, how
Speaker 1: does he expect people to stop major issues? Uh? And
Speaker 1: goes on to just talk about how he acts like
Speaker 1: an elementary or elementary school child, and you know, his
Speaker 1: focus on like these smaller issues completely betrayed, like the
Speaker 1: momentum that the evangelical movement had, etcetera, etcetera. So you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's, yeah, they're having a little bit of
Speaker 1: a hard time, and his it sort of boils down
Speaker 1: to he's just feeling like if he wasn't such a
Speaker 1: piece of ship, they would have been able to do
Speaker 1: more harm. Denonsis head Christians, what does it take to
Speaker 1: call yourself an advisor for a president? You like a meeting?
Speaker 1: A single meeting. Yeah, That's why I like, there's so
Speaker 1: many people who are yeah yeah, put that on, put
Speaker 1: that on their CV. It's like, what did you here
Speaker 1: next to them? Is there a red phone? On his desk,
Speaker 1: or I feel like it's like that lie I would
Speaker 1: hear like jen X or boomers say, like in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands, or they're like I used to be
Speaker 1: a roadie for this band back in the day, and
Speaker 1: they'd like tell you some lie and you're like, how
Speaker 1: do we like, I can't even verify that, and something
Speaker 1: like dude, that guy's was never a fucking roadie for
Speaker 1: or like Bran who are brands who are the official
Speaker 1: yarn of Nascar. Well they do that because they're the
Speaker 1: they get exclusivity as a sponsor, and then they can't say, yes,
Speaker 1: we're the only yarn who bothered to be like we
Speaker 1: know our customers. Yarn Gang loves Nascar, of room from
Speaker 1: they love Earnhardt's cars. It's just it again, the confused.
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of confusion around what you hear
Speaker 1: these conservatives say, like when it comes to what happened
Speaker 1: with people actually you know, voting for an increased body
Speaker 1: autonomy or the idea that like Republicans were also willing
Speaker 1: to say, yeah, man, you can get married to whoever
Speaker 1: the funk you want. It's just like the wheels are
Speaker 1: spinning in this way that they just cannot get over
Speaker 1: the idea that it's like it's it's always been a
Speaker 1: losing strategy that we've only been able to stay relevant
Speaker 1: through all the disingenuous like map fucking and things like that.
Speaker 1: So I just want to hear from Ben Shapiro. I do,
Speaker 1: and so we got him on the line, got him
Speaker 1: Ben Shapiro's argument. He's like completely incense by this and
Speaker 1: he's saying like, I don't know, he's just trying to
Speaker 1: say it makes sense that only a man and a
Speaker 1: woman assess man and assists woman get married to each other,
Speaker 1: because fucking aliens can even see that, or I don't
Speaker 1: hear that. Is this a new one, because I feel
Speaker 1: like I've heard his arguments on the subject before. It's
Speaker 1: that he's he's pretty in a pretty ideologically ignorant and
Speaker 1: consistent with that ignorant, So yeah, you probably have. This
Speaker 1: is him just screaming at Matt Wall. She was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying anything. Yeah, this recent Matt Walsh looks
Speaker 1: like he's wearing a fake beard. So it's not the
Speaker 1: Matt Walsh that it's not the Matt Walsh from UCB,
Speaker 1: although it could end up being because this person is
Speaker 1: clearly wearing a disguise. Okay, here, here, here we go.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm highly annoyed by the constant derogation of non
Speaker 1: religious arguments into religious arguments. And this is what the
Speaker 1: left loves to do. They like to say, your prob life,
Speaker 1: the reason your pro life is because of your your
Speaker 1: crazy religion, and so yeah right, because you you you
Speaker 1: say it yourselves when you say, why go because the
Speaker 1: Bible sit huh? Okay? But or I I also like to,
Speaker 1: you know, appeal to white supremacy as well. The other
Speaker 1: thing that you seem to be would you rather that, Ben,
Speaker 1: is that because that I do feel like the thing
Speaker 1: you're railing against is actually the polite thing that the
Speaker 1: polite mainstream media says is like, well, it's just their
Speaker 1: religious beliefs. That's like them taking you at your Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah about it. Yeah, maybe we can respect your crazy
Speaker 1: religion along the that that is not the argument from marriage.
Speaker 1: The argument from marriage has literally nothing to do with religion.
Speaker 1: You could be a visitor from from Mars and you
Speaker 1: could see that all of human procreation relies on man,
Speaker 1: woman child. This is not particularly difficult stuff, but essentially
Speaker 1: boxing in the argument in favor of traditional marriage into well,
Speaker 1: if you're a crazy religious believe or maybe we'll let
Speaker 1: you have that. But you know, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: baking it, if you're a cake baker, then we're not
Speaker 1: sure about that, right, I mean, like we're not sure
Speaker 1: how far this this religious liberty thing extends. What you're
Speaker 1: really doing is you're setting the ground game at same
Speaker 1: sex marriage and traditional marriage are completely the same thing,
Speaker 1: and if you object to it, the only reason that
Speaker 1: we even allow you to do that is because of
Speaker 1: this crazy thing called religion. Anyway, there pack, but you
Speaker 1: have to believe there completely the same thing in order
Speaker 1: to argue against Ben Shapiro. They're completely the same thing. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 1: did you see Matt Walsh freaking out because the men's
Speaker 1: the US men's national team for the World Cup are
Speaker 1: like including a rain like a rain bow spectrum on
Speaker 1: the like the crest of the men's team because cutters
Speaker 1: so like just violently homophobic. He wouldn't believe that they
Speaker 1: would do that. It's like just shut up full like,
Speaker 1: you know, welcome to the mid terms. Didn't quite have
Speaker 1: me over the edge, but now I think we can
Speaker 1: officially say we've won with the with the rainbows on
Speaker 1: the on the World Cup. I think I think we
Speaker 1: we can just paying attention to dub you guys lost.
Speaker 1: I saw that Target had dog toys that said yes
Speaker 1: Queen like two years ago, and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can tune out. That was the tip of the spirit, Stephen,
Speaker 1: that was the tip of the spirit. But we're it's
Speaker 1: been a systematic movement to get to this point where
Speaker 1: the rainbows are on the uniforms. Yeah, I just were
Speaker 1: It's like this whole week has just been people and
Speaker 1: like their insulated echo chambers, like actually being confronted with
Speaker 1: what like like majorities look like and they're like what
Speaker 1: the fuck, Like whether that's like Elon Musk not knowing
Speaker 1: how any this ship works, or these be like the
Speaker 1: fun But I thought y'all wanted the blue check I
Speaker 1: thought the thing was you saw the blue check is
Speaker 1: being like a college degree, and if I democratize that,
Speaker 1: then you it would all be great. And they're like, no,
Speaker 1: you're just all the people that you that are like
Speaker 1: your suck ups just hate people, like really just hate
Speaker 1: the journalists that have blue check marks. Rather than the
Speaker 1: like practice of having you verified accounts. You haven't heard
Speaker 1: from a person giving you objective facts in the past,
Speaker 1: I don't know, fifteen years or since your dad said
Speaker 1: he didn't love you or something like, Yeah, that was
Speaker 1: the last objective because you're a bad kid man, because
Speaker 1: you're just like a bad gross person. You're bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are bad. That. But that thing that tells you
Speaker 1: that at the core of your soul it makes you
Speaker 1: be this way is actually correct. But that's the one
Speaker 1: kind of locusts of truth that you have inside your
Speaker 1: whole being. But the the other thing that he got
Speaker 1: big wrong this week was or last week was when
Speaker 1: he was like ultimatum, put up or shut up. If
Speaker 1: you're not on board with me, then you're out my
Speaker 1: way or the highway by tomorrow. And then like as
Speaker 1: it was coming and nobody had signed on with this thing,
Speaker 1: he was like, I mean, my my bad, my bad.
Speaker 1: Actually everybody just resigned. And now he's like, come by
Speaker 1: Twitter to like tell me about code you wrote, like
Speaker 1: it would be great if you can fly in obviously,
Speaker 1: if you can't consume, I don't I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cover those costs, but get your ass in here, Okay,
Speaker 1: of course not. Yeah, it's it's it's big bad Well
Speaker 1: on the subject of just you know, complete and total
Speaker 1: victory in the world of culture, you know, and our
Speaker 1: long term strategy to just make it so nobody can
Speaker 1: be a Christian ever again, and that Christmas is a
Speaker 1: word that you can't even say punishable by death. Candice
Speaker 1: Cameron Burr made headlines all over the world for being
Speaker 1: an asshole. So this I hadn't really thought about her
Speaker 1: for a long time because my favorite told me, they
Speaker 1: were like, you gotta stop man your therapist Jody Sweeten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. So she's Kirk Cameron's sister. Is that that
Speaker 1: like made sense of the story? You dn't. No, I
Speaker 1: just had forgotten it, like I remembered it back then,
Speaker 1: but like as this came up and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: oh right, she's part of that whole thing. So they're
Speaker 1: a straight to crackle Jason and Justine Bateman. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: she used to start in lots of Hallmark Channel holiday movies,
Speaker 1: but left to star in movies for the newer conservative
Speaker 1: Christian network Great I'm American Family, and she brought two
Speaker 1: of her full house stars with her, including aunt Becky
Speaker 1: herself Laurie Laughlin, and so this is this is a
Speaker 1: big deal. You know, she's she she's a soldier in
Speaker 1: the culture culture war. She's she's ready to put her
Speaker 1: life and career on the line by taking a huge
Speaker 1: pay day. Thank you for your service, ma'am. But Great
Speaker 1: American Family describes itself as a channel celebrating faith, family,
Speaker 1: and country and is owned by a company started by
Speaker 1: Bill Abbott, who was the guy who was running Hallmark
Speaker 1: when they refused to run an ad on their network
Speaker 1: that had the same sex marriage in it. So okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: probably the era when you couldn't have magic in Hallmark films.
Speaker 1: That probably lines up with this guy's philosophy. Okay. So
Speaker 1: Hallmark have made efforts to diversify their Christmas movies with
Speaker 1: several movies featuring gay couples in recent years, and Candice
Speaker 1: Cameron's comments were condemned by everyone from Glad to Stephanie
Speaker 1: Tanner herself Jody Sweeten, Yeah, my therapist Stephanie Tanner for
Speaker 1: her honestly, Yeah, I was like, I assumed she was
Speaker 1: one of the ones that they had brought over. But
Speaker 1: it seems like she she's come come around, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: She did not say how rude because that wasn't her line, right,
Speaker 1: not even that that was how rude. Okay, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why I picture one of the Olsen twins and no,
Speaker 1: that's you got it. She said, you got it or
Speaker 1: you got it? Mr Yea to stop stop, don't talk
Speaker 1: about the Olsen Twins. I went to school with them,
Speaker 1: and yeah, you did to dance with one of them
Speaker 1: one years. That was a huge deal. When I when
Speaker 1: I was like in college and I guess you were
Speaker 1: in high school. I visited my friends in l A.
Speaker 1: And they were going to a party that one of
Speaker 1: the Olsen twins were at, and it was like a
Speaker 1: big deal to everyone. They're like, oh my god, the
Speaker 1: Olsen twins. So you must have been Mr king ship
Speaker 1: Man going to a dance with one of the Olsen twins.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I was just like a cool,
Speaker 1: like chat boy of color at the school, and you know,
Speaker 1: it just made them look cool. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: that's my own self worth. I'm working through a therapy.
Speaker 1: Why did why did they learn with me? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know I think about a party, a party with
Speaker 1: the Olsen twins, like in my head, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: the met gallup, Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Or
Speaker 1: it's like when it's it's like a party like you've
Speaker 1: never fucking experienced and you don't know if it's like
Speaker 1: fun or totally weird and boring when you was a documentary,
Speaker 1: like everyone's wearing newspaper masks and humming this one melody
Speaker 1: like huh, but yeah. So she issued a non apology,
Speaker 1: blaming the press and painting herself was the victim of
Speaker 1: a toxic media system which falsely sought to sob division
Speaker 1: by reprinting the thing she said, which I let let
Speaker 1: me did I read her quote? Let let me make
Speaker 1: sure I have it okay. So she came under fire
Speaker 1: because in an interview in The Wall Street Journal, she
Speaker 1: said that Gaff's Christmas content would only feature traditional marriage,
Speaker 1: the traditional family of yes, the traditional family, of course
Speaker 1: being three kids, one dad, his former college roommate, plus
Speaker 1: his dead wet drum playing brother, and his entire family
Speaker 1: all crammed into an attic. I think sometimes, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw the thing. There was this
Speaker 1: video that was kind of blown up on the internet
Speaker 1: about how there's this big plot hole in full House
Speaker 1: where Uncle Jesse talks about dropping out of high school,
Speaker 1: but then he said he didn't like in later episodes
Speaker 1: and this guy like his mind was blown, and for
Speaker 1: sixteen years he was trying to contact the writers of
Speaker 1: Full House to be like, you know, like you said
Speaker 1: he dropped out of high school in season two, right,
Speaker 1: and like it's like a really interesting video, but they
Speaker 1: know the guys Jesse, Uncle Jesse's a fault, so you
Speaker 1: can drop out of high school and go on to
Speaker 1: go to college. Like yeah, yeah, well there's uncle Jesse.
Speaker 1: Seems like the type of person that he could have
Speaker 1: like been valedictorian and but wouldn't tell anybody because that
Speaker 1: undercover smart guy I didn't want to, Yeah, because he's
Speaker 1: got this Yeah he went to m I T. Dude,
Speaker 1: it's like the guy from the Offspring. He's really yeah.
Speaker 1: But anyways, like that, you know, this shouldn't be that surprising,
Speaker 1: the act of making a bigoted Christmas movie. You should
Speaker 1: be the Cameron family crest at this point. But you know,
Speaker 1: she once defended the Oregon bakery that illegally refused to
Speaker 1: bake a wedding cake for a lesbian couple, So yeah,
Speaker 1: she's not she's not for the rights of very many
Speaker 1: people or she's for the rights of a very special
Speaker 1: of a group of people. Yeah. Yeah, and she's also
Speaker 1: just you know with that that whole family is you know,
Speaker 1: all in on homophobia, especially her brother. So the Tanners, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the whole family has really gone to ship oh Candice.
Speaker 1: But again it's like there was another one where she's
Speaker 1: like posted a thing where she's like on TikTok where
Speaker 1: she's like, am I the feeling like kind of like
Speaker 1: trying to like troll people about like what her you know,
Speaker 1: bigoted stance was. But it's like, you're, I don't know,
Speaker 1: she's she's she's only relevant in that she was in
Speaker 1: a seminal show for a lot of people's childhoods. Other
Speaker 1: than that, it's not like you're talking about like a
Speaker 1: real mover and shaker. So it's like, I don't know, Miles,
Speaker 1: her acting talent is undeniable. I think it's kundeniably awful. Yes,
Speaker 1: talk about her personal life all you want, But for me,
Speaker 1: game recognized game and I can't was the weak point
Speaker 1: in a cast that was not was not full of
Speaker 1: you know, the world grace actors. Somehow two of the
Speaker 1: cast members that were incoherent babies ended up becoming the
Speaker 1: bigger stars on that show. And we're much more talented
Speaker 1: and gave more convincing performance, a better fashion sense to
Speaker 1: you know, way cooler when looking or when way cooler
Speaker 1: looking when they smoke cigarettes at a young age. And
Speaker 1: in case it's not clear to you what safe means
Speaker 1: in this case, last year, like that their definition of
Speaker 1: what safe and traditional family. Last year they made twelve
Speaker 1: Christmas movies gaff and all but one centered on straight
Speaker 1: white characters. So wow. The other was a white savior
Speaker 1: story and one one of the company's bankrolling The channel
Speaker 1: belongs to a Republican National Committee co chairman and Donald
Speaker 1: Trump tamers fan, although that could be said about probably
Speaker 1: every company in the country. Yeah, check out Warner Discovery Plus.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna get some interesting stuff there. They
Speaker 1: even have a talking point about like, these are safe
Speaker 1: movies that value quote American culture and quote heritage. So
Speaker 1: heritage is one of those words that it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're like, you're trying to disguise it, but really not
Speaker 1: not much. Yeah. Yeah, our heritage, as you know, violent
Speaker 1: colonizers are heritage of putting the Confederate flag on the
Speaker 1: on the orangetop Hazzard car, like, hey, hey, we're not
Speaker 1: gonna slander that beautiful vehicle on this show. American culture, heritage,
Speaker 1: and lifestyle like those are my favorite ingredients and fashionism.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we're gonna
Speaker 1: come back and talk about effective altruism. What could be
Speaker 1: wrong with that? End? We're back and ft X collapse.
Speaker 1: Ft X was like a crypto exchange. It was the
Speaker 1: it was the big boy. It was the one with
Speaker 1: the Larry David commercial for for US crypto outsiders who
Speaker 1: haven't donated crypto in months. Like I had mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: it's it's the one with Larry David commercial and they're
Speaker 1: all getting sued Tom Brady commercial and oh did you
Speaker 1: know Tom Brady supposedly had like his entire portfolio tied
Speaker 1: up in ft X. No, yeah, I would. That was
Speaker 1: like I think right after like they did. It could
Speaker 1: be a liar or whatever, but they said he was
Speaker 1: like that's where he's like, He's like, yeah, and I
Speaker 1: got all my money in ft X. Dude. He said
Speaker 1: that after after it imploded or right before. This is
Speaker 1: like before I feel like one of the like early on,
Speaker 1: like before the way before the collapse, around the time
Speaker 1: of the commercial, he was like raw rang, like how
Speaker 1: great it is now? This is also the sort of
Speaker 1: rumor you start spreading when you're in a divorce and
Speaker 1: trying to give as little money as possible to You're
Speaker 1: you're what are you talking about? I just saw you
Speaker 1: in a literal rolex commercial in Forbes. Anyways, it collapsed.
Speaker 1: I want to read about it. You know. The articles
Speaker 1: are all like they start out with some sentences that
Speaker 1: make you think they're gonna say this is endemic and
Speaker 1: like this is why crypto is banks without insurance, and
Speaker 1: it's just a way for people to steal money from you,
Speaker 1: and it's it's got all the same problems as capitalism,
Speaker 1: and then they immediately turned to so like here's the
Speaker 1: Washington Post summary of it. But like other crypto exchanges,
Speaker 1: ft X operated outside the traditional banking system, and this
Speaker 1: created enormous risks. Though they act like banks and broker's,
Speaker 1: crypto exchanges typically are not subject to the same type
Speaker 1: of regulation, insurance and just closure rules that protect customers
Speaker 1: of traditional banks. So a very like pro bank way
Speaker 1: of like highlighting what's wrong with crypto? But then the
Speaker 1: very next paragraph is like, at some level, the fall
Speaker 1: of FTX is not a crypto story at all, says
Speaker 1: Adam Levitton, a Georgetown University law professor principal at Gordian
Speaker 1: Crypto Advisors. So it's like they say very clear thing,
Speaker 1: very clear problems, and then back it up with some
Speaker 1: expert from inside the world of crypto being like, crypto
Speaker 1: is still a safe bet, folks, don't worry. It was
Speaker 1: just this guy and the fact that he was in
Speaker 1: the Bahamas, that like literally that his quotas people invested
Speaker 1: billions in an unregulated financial institution based in a Caribbean island.
Speaker 1: How could this end? Well, so it was the Caribbean.
Speaker 1: Why yeah, the Bahamas, dude, Like think of the fire festival.
Speaker 1: That's all that stuff happens there, right, you know, Jeff
Speaker 1: for Epstein's island. So we know also that like first
Speaker 1: paragraph you read, it's like it's amazing how it's like
Speaker 1: it's so euphemistically describing a terrible fucking place to put
Speaker 1: your money at any in any way like possible. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like, imagine if you described a fucking hospital
Speaker 1: like that. It's like, you know, although it comes with
Speaker 1: enormous risks, they're not subject to the same regulations as
Speaker 1: a hospital or safety guard. Right, You're like, hold on,
Speaker 1: why don't you say this place is a fucking hell
Speaker 1: escape that is just is basically a place to lure
Speaker 1: people into getting swindled. But then no, but it's not
Speaker 1: a great thought problem. So another big part of the
Speaker 1: story is the Sam Bankman Freed's is that Yeah, did
Speaker 1: I get that right? He So he's like the main
Speaker 1: character that the media has settled on. He was like
Speaker 1: the CEO, and he was like only twenty something, twenty
Speaker 1: nine or thirty when he became the youngest billionaires. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he became a billionaire. He was like that. They
Speaker 1: were like, he's leaps at the office because he's just
Speaker 1: about his grind and that's the most American thing of all. Look,
Speaker 1: he barely combs his hair. This guy is the best
Speaker 1: and forget forget. The other part of his identity kit
Speaker 1: was that he drove like a regular as Toyota Corolla. Yes,
Speaker 1: and every single person was like, oh my god, dude,
Speaker 1: this guy's a fucking billy and he's got a fucking
Speaker 1: Corolla dog. That's the other big part of the story
Speaker 1: is he was big in this movement. He was the
Speaker 1: primary funder. I think we're the large one of the
Speaker 1: fun of this movement called effective altruism, and the idea
Speaker 1: is so it started with this like young philosophy professor
Speaker 1: at I think Oxford, one of the colleges in the
Speaker 1: UK that is the equivalent of Harvard and Stanford in America,
Speaker 1: and that it is like, has a reputation as like
Speaker 1: this super independent, left leaning learning institution, but it is
Speaker 1: uh said, as a reputation as Hogworths. It's like Hogwarths. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it is like yes, yes, but anyways, it also apparently
Speaker 1: has a big, you know, contingent of people who immediately
Speaker 1: go into investment, banking and finance. And so this dude
Speaker 1: starts out and he's like he has this utilitarian philosophy.
Speaker 1: That's like, okay, so the thing that we need to
Speaker 1: do is get as many of the wealthiest people in
Speaker 1: the world as possible to do as much good with
Speaker 1: their money as possible. His first instinct was good. He
Speaker 1: was like, okay, so I'm gonna look at all the
Speaker 1: different funds that help people in poor and developing countries,
Speaker 1: and you know, for like, his argument was basically like
Speaker 1: you could go become a doctor and save hundreds of people,
Speaker 1: or you could go become an investment banker and fund
Speaker 1: like these funds that save thousands, hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 1: people with donations, and like that that's where his mind
Speaker 1: was at, and like you can see where he's at
Speaker 1: in the early stages, and he gets Sam Bankman Freed
Speaker 1: onto his side, which is why Sam Bankman freed like
Speaker 1: drove a shitty car. Like everybody involved in this like
Speaker 1: personally donates like almost all their money and but but
Speaker 1: they're also very like finance brained. Yeah, well because a
Speaker 1: lot of the people that go into there's like a
Speaker 1: schism in the movement where a lot of people were
Speaker 1: just thinking, Okay. The classic example is like mosquito nets
Speaker 1: and how investing in mosquito nets can actually have widespread
Speaker 1: effect in preventing like like uncounted deaths, like untold death
Speaker 1: and by saying, hey, this is a cheap thing we
Speaker 1: can do. It's scales and it helps a lot of people,
Speaker 1: then it turns into this thing where people can either
Speaker 1: be like you either got to be the only way
Speaker 1: you get into it now is you gotta have some
Speaker 1: kind of fucking dis run grass industry level like business
Speaker 1: or something, or you earn to give Like, then your
Speaker 1: mindset is make as much fucking money as you can
Speaker 1: by any means possible, so you can put it into
Speaker 1: effect of altruism is like, then that's when it starts
Speaker 1: getting like, oh, so now we're rationalizing making a lot
Speaker 1: of money. That's what this is now becoming yeah, and
Speaker 1: then giving it away, which like, if you can convince
Speaker 1: all these very wealthy people to give all their money
Speaker 1: away to like things that actually help rather than to
Speaker 1: like them thinking because like a big problem with like this.
Speaker 1: This is similar to the philosophy of like a lot
Speaker 1: of like billionaires in the United States where they're like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: like I'll just become a billionaire and then I'll give
Speaker 1: the money away rather than like letting the country text me.
Speaker 1: The problem with that strategy is like rich people like
Speaker 1: money the most. They like money more than anyone has
Speaker 1: ever liked anything. And they once yeah, well they stand it.
Speaker 1: Even so once they once they get a lot of it,
Speaker 1: they are they actually become much less likely than they
Speaker 1: thought they were at the beginning to give any of
Speaker 1: it away. And to like in this case, you know,
Speaker 1: with Sam Bankman Freed, like you're a dipship twenty nine
Speaker 1: year old crypto billionaire who made billions of dollars off
Speaker 1: of finding a way to defraud people like you have
Speaker 1: absolutely no authority, no moral like structure at all, no
Speaker 1: way of knowing where that money should go. You are
Speaker 1: the product of a system that is predatory. You're going
Speaker 1: to be surrounded by predators, so like you're not the
Speaker 1: person to decide that. This movement, at least initially was like, well,
Speaker 1: we you give our your money to us. I am
Speaker 1: a smart philosopher who has like run the numbers. I
Speaker 1: will take that money and put it in the smartest place. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that philosopher king guy who originally like convinced him, he
Speaker 1: spends like the next decade of his life with crypto
Speaker 1: people and finance people, and he like just becomes very
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like you can just see the way
Speaker 1: that money infects the truth that are like you. Like,
Speaker 1: for instance, they keep skipping over climate as a thing
Speaker 1: to be worried about, and like his justification is like,
Speaker 1: well a lot of climate groups aren't for cap and trade,
Speaker 1: which is like, you know, you treat the climate crisis
Speaker 1: like a stock market and it'll solve itself. Essentially. That's
Speaker 1: his like first argument against it, and then the second one,
Speaker 1: which is fucking wild they're like talking about. So eventually
Speaker 1: they moved to this like near term its stuff like bednets,
Speaker 1: And there's even a part where sand Bankman Freed is like,
Speaker 1: I never really went through the bednets phase of this,
Speaker 1: like because because that's all in motion how to use
Speaker 1: your money efficiently for the greatest outcome, which that's all
Speaker 1: emotionally driven miles and more with a long termist mindset, right,
Speaker 1: And so he fun, what would I say, It's it's
Speaker 1: like so fucking mind boggling and infuriating. Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't really care about the environment and be super
Speaker 1: into crypto at the same time with how much damage.
Speaker 1: But the idea too of being into long term is
Speaker 1: m and ignoring the health of the planet, Like how
Speaker 1: long is this term exactly that you're considering. Well, so
Speaker 1: they start they're like now like, well, actually, when you
Speaker 1: have like these small threats over a long enough time,
Speaker 1: because the population is going to grow, investing a small
Speaker 1: amount and a small threat now will actually have the
Speaker 1: greater impact like years and years from now, but they
Speaker 1: just have they have this outsized opinion of their own
Speaker 1: ability to like know what the problems are going to
Speaker 1: be in the two hundred years they so they fixate
Speaker 1: instead of being fixating on climate change, they fucking fixate
Speaker 1: on AI and like the terminator of Pucklyse, that's what
Speaker 1: they're focused on. That's what they're like putting a lot
Speaker 1: of their money into the So like this part in
Speaker 1: the New York article that they say, this is a quote.
Speaker 1: The major contributor to existential risk, according to them, was
Speaker 1: not climate change, which even in a worst case scenario,
Speaker 1: is unlikely to render the planet wholly uninhabitable. New Zealand,
Speaker 1: for example, might be fine. Instead, he singles out engineered
Speaker 1: pathogens and runaway artificial intelligence. And then I also want
Speaker 1: to read a quote from somebody within this movement later on,
Speaker 1: because that this also really informs this world view. Nick
Speaker 1: be Stead, the philosopher at the Helm of the Future Fund,
Speaker 1: remarked in his thirteen dissertation, richer countries have substantially more
Speaker 1: innovation and their workers are much more economically productive by
Speaker 1: ordinary standards, at least by ordinary enlightened human humanitarian standards,
Speaker 1: Saving and improving lives in rich countries is about equal
Speaker 1: is about equally as important as saving and improving lives
Speaker 1: and poor countries, provided lives are improved by roughly comparable amounts.
Speaker 1: But it now seems more plausible to me that saving
Speaker 1: a life in a rich country is substantially more important
Speaker 1: than saving a life in a poor country. So it's
Speaker 1: Jonathan Swift. Yeah, but like they're open about this ship.
Speaker 1: They're just like because then you can make more money,
Speaker 1: which allows you to solve more problems. But it's just
Speaker 1: they've been fucking they've been incepted by money, and like
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing with the like all the writing
Speaker 1: about f t X that I was just hit by
Speaker 1: over and over again, is that until nobody can make
Speaker 1: billions of dollars off of crypto, they won't write the
Speaker 1: truth about crypto because in our society and our version
Speaker 1: of capitalism, like hyper capitalism, that it's not just like
Speaker 1: that they have a bias towards what may the most money,
Speaker 1: it's that like what is going to make the most money,
Speaker 1: like gravitationally pools, like their perception of what the truth is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because because like that is the thing that the business
Speaker 1: section is going to write about, and that is the
Speaker 1: thing that the owners of these newspapers are going to
Speaker 1: care about. It's just like we're watching this thing where
Speaker 1: we're saying the same thing over and over again, where
Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, crypto seems like a scam. Everybody can
Speaker 1: kind of look at it and see it's a scam,
Speaker 1: and yet the mainstream media just keeps writing these fucking
Speaker 1: gullible articles that are like these accounts of yeah, well
Speaker 1: we don't know what happened. Again, it seems like maybe
Speaker 1: this guy was crazy, and then like doing the New
Speaker 1: York Times things like let's ask the cops, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you're not gonna like get a real computer scientists
Speaker 1: there to tell you how much of a fucking sham
Speaker 1: crypto is in general, and then start your fucking analysis
Speaker 1: from there to say, like, look at disaster after disaster,
Speaker 1: at these companies showing up and becoming as the guy said,
Speaker 1: this thing's worse than fun and ron, you know, like,
Speaker 1: how are you then being like, yeah, this isn't a
Speaker 1: crypto prom it is. It's unregulated, and so much of
Speaker 1: the market is driven by these like whales trying to
Speaker 1: get out now and normalize crypto use so they can
Speaker 1: cash the funk out. And it's also like this other
Speaker 1: thing too, where just like crypto, even within effect of altruism,
Speaker 1: like if you were actively questioning like they would, they
Speaker 1: they would have open forms and discuss things. But if
Speaker 1: you were like actively questioning, like I think it's a
Speaker 1: better way to do it, they kind of treated how
Speaker 1: they would people who were like crypto, like fudd people
Speaker 1: who are like being like, oh, you're just trying to
Speaker 1: fucking so dis like you know, distrust and stuff, and
Speaker 1: like you're not, You're not actually about this, You're a hater.
Speaker 1: And again it further insulates itself from actually any critical
Speaker 1: analysis of what they're doing. And it's like even the
Speaker 1: momentum of Sam Bankman Freed is like this thing where
Speaker 1: people get so caught up in this billionaire worship they
Speaker 1: never for a second this guy is could be full
Speaker 1: of ship, like the six hundred people that came before
Speaker 1: him on the same thing, Like I've got this great idea.
Speaker 1: I'm Elizabeth Holmes. Oh wait, it's bullshit. I'm Elon Musk. No,
Speaker 1: You're like, no, this this is all this is all horseship.
Speaker 1: You know by the way, commented on that philosopher like
Speaker 1: leader guys last book, being like this book is actually
Speaker 1: a pretty close match to my philosophy. So he's going
Speaker 1: to be on the philosopher king. Yeah, as he now
Speaker 1: tries to inseminate the planet. So there's many people with
Speaker 1: his d n A running around, which is his end game.
Speaker 1: It seems like, yeah, based on his love of Genghis Khan.
Speaker 1: So but it is like really interesting that, like I
Speaker 1: think there's something at a subconscious level that's happening because
Speaker 1: they've fixated on the singularity and like this robot apocalypse
Speaker 1: where the robots become like out of control, so much
Speaker 1: smarter and they're thinking faster than us, and they decided
Speaker 1: to kill us. Because that is like, actually, what is
Speaker 1: happening with capitalism, Like the singularity has happened with care
Speaker 1: When you are doing an analysis of human lives and
Speaker 1: you're like the ones that make more money are the
Speaker 1: ones that are more valuable, Like that you have completely
Speaker 1: like the money has gotten in and is doing the
Speaker 1: thinking for you, and you are no longer like the
Speaker 1: singularity has happened, and it's very smart. It's a hyper
Speaker 1: like machine, like you know, nanotechnology that is everywhere, and
Speaker 1: it destroys any amount of like thinking, and like this
Speaker 1: idea that started with like let's get bednets to people
Speaker 1: who are suffering by inviting, by inviting like fucking investment
Speaker 1: bankers to the conversation becomes this like thing that's all
Speaker 1: about like just denying climate change is a problem, and
Speaker 1: like focusing on spending money and things that can like
Speaker 1: disrupt their you know, disrupt industries basically to generate more money.
Speaker 1: It's just it just becomes another money making scheme. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. You so like you just gotta get on
Speaker 1: board with this stuff. Okay, so here me out. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got that, we got these nets, old news, cold potatoes. Okay,
Speaker 1: we put vaccines in the mosquitoes, I mean, hair down
Speaker 1: the nets and unless now now the mosquitoes are mosquitoes
Speaker 1: for good. Yeah yeah, send me, send me a doze,
Speaker 1: send me everyone out there on radio land, and I
Speaker 1: will I'll start start pumping these skeeters for horse horse medicine.
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, it's just
Speaker 1: it's anything that billionaires are engaging in too like rationalize
Speaker 1: their wealth is just going to be corrupted. By the
Speaker 1: fact that they're like engaged in this like massive accumulation
Speaker 1: of wealth to begin with, because so many of them
Speaker 1: are being like, Okay, Normally, I usually feel bad that
Speaker 1: I know I'm just sucking up all the wealth out
Speaker 1: of it like a given place. But now, but the
Speaker 1: thing is, I'm actually doing it for effective altruism, where
Speaker 1: I will fight the robots, so then it's okay, I'll
Speaker 1: make so much robot money the robots won't be able
Speaker 1: to have money. Exactly where are they gonna plug in
Speaker 1: at night? Nowhere? Because I will be in poor robot
Speaker 1: countries and we're not going to help those rot right.
Speaker 1: The New York article is definitely worth reading. It's like
Speaker 1: it ends with the reporter on a walk with this
Speaker 1: guy who's like this hot shit philosopher, Like he's the
Speaker 1: youngest philosopher teacher philosophy professor ever to teach at Oxford,
Speaker 1: and like he's the head of this like multibillion dollar fund.
Speaker 1: And he's like walking past this park that has been
Speaker 1: taken over as like a like in tent city, and
Speaker 1: she's like in his eyes just kind of flicked past that,
Speaker 1: and he like looks at the horizon and he's like,
Speaker 1: I just I really, we're not focusing on the wrong
Speaker 1: problems with this like AI apocalypse thing, but like doesn't
Speaker 1: even comment on that ship, and like the New York
Speaker 1: article doesn't even comment on the fact that he's like
Speaker 1: not worried about fucking climate change. They're they're just like
Speaker 1: they just take the fucking New Zealand thing like at
Speaker 1: face value. It's like, do you think it might be
Speaker 1: because like so much of the existing economy that is
Speaker 1: funding his movement is tied up in fossil fuels, and
Speaker 1: like that he just can't he can can't deal with
Speaker 1: any reality that might so he's just he's all he's
Speaker 1: probably buying into all the ship they're saying about, like, well,
Speaker 1: BP actually believes in a better future, you know what
Speaker 1: fucking knows. I mean, I think it's it's just fucked up,
Speaker 1: because effective altruism, if you've done correctly, seems like a
Speaker 1: quite a beneficial force on the planet. And I think
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of critics too, are like they're
Speaker 1: like this could either completely funk up the idea that
Speaker 1: this is worth something doing, or like maybe they can
Speaker 1: actually kind of get find a way to like reform
Speaker 1: this movement a bit understanding, like these were the pitfalls
Speaker 1: that we fell into that like a lot of critics
Speaker 1: and people who left the movement like this is bad.
Speaker 1: You aren't going to do the right thing by having
Speaker 1: more of these people in here. Yeah. So no, they're
Speaker 1: fucked by the way, like they're like I've seen those
Speaker 1: but like you can see it in the way that
Speaker 1: the guy, the philosophy professor, guy who heads up the
Speaker 1: fund response to criticism and he's just like, I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear it out, and like the person is like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe like instead of you just deciding what's done with
Speaker 1: the money, you like open it up. He's like, he
Speaker 1: takes it. It's exactly like Zuckerberg. He takes it in.
Speaker 1: And then they're like, and he ignores the funk out
Speaker 1: of it. He seems very receptive to it and ignores
Speaker 1: the funk out of right, right, right, Yeah, they're they're fucked,
Speaker 1: But there there is a there is room for a
Speaker 1: movement like this the is not centralized and does not
Speaker 1: have the like does not have any like influence coming
Speaker 1: in from like the world of finance and investment banks.
Speaker 1: But like that's what like no Angel investors allowed but
Speaker 1: that's the sort of thing. And what's wild is, on
Speaker 1: top of all that, a ton of people who got
Speaker 1: unfortunately duped into this ft X nonsense and are now
Speaker 1: creating a more disenfranchised people who have bought into it.
Speaker 1: The guy was just missing bednets as a phase that
Speaker 1: like people who want to help people like go through
Speaker 1: because it like makes them feel good emotionally, but it's
Speaker 1: actually not the real problem, and was giving himself credit
Speaker 1: for like knowing what the problems were going to be
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty years from now. He was not
Speaker 1: perceptive enough to see the problem in his own fucking
Speaker 1: company that like lost thousands of people, like ruined thousands
Speaker 1: of people's lives. But I think there's also that. I
Speaker 1: think there's also a lot to say that Sam bank
Speaker 1: Men Freed was just full of it the whole time too,
Speaker 1: you know, because like he was giving like that Vox
Speaker 1: interview or like those d M s he was exchanged
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, I was just saying, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm just saying the right ship to keep
Speaker 1: my fucking image up, and you're like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: And I think it just shows again he said something
Speaker 1: really interesting He's like, you know, you go and you like,
Speaker 1: you basically go and you recite like the right chibblets
Speaker 1: and you know, show that you have your collection of
Speaker 1: the right opinion societally and that's enough to get you
Speaker 1: in the door at a lot of places. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, you said the quiet part out loud right
Speaker 1: there where it's like, you say the right things and
Speaker 1: enough people will believe that whatever adventure you're on is
Speaker 1: noble or whatever. And then I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: kept going from there. It's just yeah, read those interviews
Speaker 1: to like, especially in the fallout of it, this guy
Speaker 1: is he doesn't know when to stop talking, although him
Speaker 1: talking has been very illuminating. Yeah, well, Steve, truly a
Speaker 1: pleasure is always having you. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: And fully, uh it's the ram for sure. Wilbur with
Speaker 1: any spelled out Wilber with any other platforms, TB DU Yeah, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: is there a tweet or some of the work of
Speaker 1: social media? You've been looking your box of ashes, you've
Speaker 1: seen anything. I wanted to pour one out for a legend,
Speaker 1: and I can't find it. Somebody somebody shout out of
Speaker 1: the comments what it was? Do you remember that tweet
Speaker 1: from It was an account saying they were Dr Frank
Speaker 1: further from Rocky Horror and they did the like I
Speaker 1: bet you're trembling with Antissa and then five years later
Speaker 1: tweetedati like Twitter. Twitter didn't get better than that afterwards.
Speaker 1: So yeah, out, Miles, where can people find you? What's
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Speaker 1: Report tweeted, we should have had Twitter Awards. The guy
Speaker 1: who made that Dell Curry divorce threat deserves one. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's still one of my favorite tweet threads. If you
Speaker 1: remember when he said, but but let me tell you
Speaker 1: something you don't want I'll just beat a little bit
Speaker 1: said you don't want to be out here. You think
Speaker 1: you want to be out here, because this is talking
Speaker 1: about Dell Curry getting divorced his wife, and he said,
Speaker 1: when you get out here, you ain't gonna want to
Speaker 1: be out here no more. Last time you was out here,
Speaker 1: out here was different. You think something's better. I come
Speaker 1: to let you know. The best you're gonna get is
Speaker 1: what you already. He's like, I don't know why you
Speaker 1: don't want to do the work. You're gonna come out
Speaker 1: here and ain't gonna like it. All they do is
Speaker 1: start podcasts and talk talking about plate fixing. Fourteen minutes
Speaker 1: of being about being out here, you're gonna start saying,
Speaker 1: these females, where's the other one? He said, Uh, you
Speaker 1: don't want to be out here learning TikTok dances and
Speaker 1: falling off milk crates. Oh one of my favorites. No,
Speaker 1: not at all, not at Another one was at Charlie
Speaker 1: Sauston tweeted one thousand Twitter employees with three months severance
Speaker 1: pray from Mexico City that feels very God, who knows where, what,
Speaker 1: what place They're going to go uh and get together.
Speaker 1: And then another one, uh is from Foty. People's at
Speaker 1: not Carton Banks tweeted just a quotas they said, Twitter
Speaker 1: might not make it overnight. Yeah, all the family up
Speaker 1: there now, like any phone about somebody about ye oh man,
Speaker 1: Twitter might not exist by the time this shows up.
Speaker 1: But it'll exist exist. It's just gonna be. It'll probably nonfunctioning,
Speaker 1: and then we'll trying to download your thing. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: my data. I'm waiting for them to message me back
Speaker 1: that it's ready to download. Yeah. I did that with
Speaker 1: all my vines. Yeah, thought him. I got him on
Speaker 1: a Sun Drive. So I funked up so bad with that.
Speaker 1: I have my vines are gone. My vines are gone.
Speaker 1: I should post my vines on Twitter just in a
Speaker 1: burst this weekends. Yep. But when when I was trying
Speaker 1: to do the like download all my data, the it
Speaker 1: was like, all right, you gotta do the two factor authentication,
Speaker 1: and only one of those worked. The it only worked
Speaker 1: over email. You can't have them text you. They will
Speaker 1: not text you, so that that one's down. It's on it.
Speaker 1: It's on one at this point. Yeah, and know and ghosted.
Speaker 1: I'm old. Yeah. Everything everything's the same, like every everything's
Speaker 1: just comments about how everything's dead at Twitter. But I'm
Speaker 1: enjoyed like Cody had. What I'm hearing from Twitter employees
Speaker 1: is that there aren't any that's dr Mr Cody ron
Speaker 1: den Blaker tweeted it should have been Facebook broken heart emoji.
Speaker 1: That is absolutely the truth. April Clark, just a good
Speaker 1: old fashioned said my wife is pissed at me because
Speaker 1: I discovered I'm Polly. You cheat it on me. I'm
Speaker 1: literally coming out to you right now. But okay, So
Speaker 1: it's funny when people are tweeting that, like it's soaked
Speaker 1: the chaos, fucking chaos, like people are crying, people are
Speaker 1: like giving people to tell their flowers and ship and
Speaker 1: then in case you just someone be like, do horses
Speaker 1: get bored? Exactly? All right, shout out to you, shout
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Speaker 1: I walk by, like when I see horses like in
Speaker 1: their stalls all night, like they're like standing up just
Speaker 1: like they wish they could binge New Girl or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: right for the new season of Emily in Paris at least. Yeah,
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