Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to sixty four,
Speaker 1: episode three of the dailies like Guys Well One More
Speaker 1: Day till Turkey Day. It's a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is the podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. It's Wednesday, November twenty three. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so much going on this week, but it is
Speaker 1: National Espresso Day, National et Cranberry Day, National Cash You Day,
Speaker 1: National Jukebox Day, and National Taie one on day. I'm
Speaker 1: Miles Gray a k A Miles of Gravy. I forget.
Speaker 1: I think it's Paul Garavent on Twitter who gave me
Speaker 1: that a k A. Because yeah, it's true. It's it's
Speaker 1: We're we got we gotta have the Thanksgiving tood themed names.
Speaker 1: And I am thrilled to be joined by my guest
Speaker 1: co host again. I don't know how many, how long
Speaker 1: of an intro I'm gonna do here, but her takes
Speaker 1: are sound, her movie suggestions unflappable. Okay, is she does?
Speaker 1: She have one of the kindest spirits and voices you've
Speaker 1: ever experienced. Yeah? Probably is. She also a fantastic producer, writer,
Speaker 1: and all these other things. Yes, I can name them all,
Speaker 1: but I'd rather just call her Joel Monique him Miles
Speaker 1: than such a delicious intro. So thice to you. Good
Speaker 1: to see you, Good to see you. Are you excited
Speaker 1: for her tomorrow? Yeah? I've had Thanksgiving with the same
Speaker 1: college friends for the past six years. We had spreadsheets
Speaker 1: and oven schedules. It's a very tenuous and amazing celebration
Speaker 1: because they, you know, they're the friends that like to
Speaker 1: experiment and spend too much money on food, so you
Speaker 1: can go into their house. Yeah, so it's gonna be good.
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Well, look, let's get into our guest. Our
Speaker 1: guest is a James Beard Award winning author. Okay, this
Speaker 1: man knows food. He's written literal books on apples. I
Speaker 1: can't believe Jack is not here. It's called Tasting the
Speaker 1: Essential Oyster. Okay, Shadows on the Golf, and also his
Speaker 1: latest podcast, Obsessions While Chocolate. You know on my heart.
Speaker 1: I'll check it out, please help me. Welcome to the microphone,
Speaker 1: Mr rowand Jacobs said, what's up? Happy Cranberry Day? I
Speaker 1: didn't even know. Yes, yes, go to your favorite bog
Speaker 1: and you know, pull up a fresh one. I actually do.
Speaker 1: I have a bog right up the road from me
Speaker 1: with cranberries in it. I'm gonna have to go check
Speaker 1: them out and see if they're there. Really magical world
Speaker 1: do you live in You live in Massachusetts or something? Well, Vermont, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a few. We don't have many in Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: but you know, if you know where to luck, they're here.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, yeah, and I've I've always been. I'd
Speaker 1: never knew how cranberries were grown until like an Ocean
Speaker 1: spray commercial from the late nineties where like a guy
Speaker 1: was in like the overalls, like in a pit, and
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fun is going on? And
Speaker 1: have you ever seen those crazy photos of what it
Speaker 1: looks like when they get harvested, like from above? You know,
Speaker 1: they float water to like the cranberds up and you
Speaker 1: know they're bright red. So then from above it's just
Speaker 1: like these huge chunks of color like red and then
Speaker 1: the blue water and it looks like a surreal painting
Speaker 1: or something. I'm still don't know how do you grow
Speaker 1: a cranberry? What's the point? What do you need the
Speaker 1: bob for? They like it wet, I guess, so you know,
Speaker 1: they're like these little short plants, you know, and they
Speaker 1: have like the little red berries, but they're only like
Speaker 1: a foot high so and they grow in like standing water.
Speaker 1: Got it, got it, cut it. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: like not a cranberry expert, admit, but I think to
Speaker 1: harvest him, you go in and you just like beat
Speaker 1: the bushes to knock all the berries off into the water.
Speaker 1: And then then yeah, basically the water you corral them
Speaker 1: into like big circles of red that are floating on
Speaker 1: the water. And then farming is such a wild thing
Speaker 1: because I always picture, like in movies, it's like and
Speaker 1: then we gently like plucked this corn from the stock
Speaker 1: and like shucked it like gentle farmwork hands, and there's
Speaker 1: like golden light everywhere. But then, like if you've ever
Speaker 1: seen an olive tree harvest, they just throw nets everywhere
Speaker 1: and starts smacking the trees. They're like get out of
Speaker 1: their olives. It's it's I feel like I can have fun,
Speaker 1: far more fun than movies have made it seem. Right. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of smacking involved with farming. It turns out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to stop grapes, you know, yeah exactly, I know,
Speaker 1: if you stomped a few grapes in your day, rown
Speaker 1: we'll have to ask you about them later. It's fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. Well, let's give people a quick
Speaker 1: preview of what we're gonna be talking about today. Just
Speaker 1: checking in over there with some presidential candidate activity, specifically
Speaker 1: Mike Pompeo, former Secretary of State, who has identified the
Speaker 1: biggest threat to the United States and I don't quite
Speaker 1: agree what that is. Then we're gonna talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: because Twitter is just verifying whoever these days, this like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this phrase died suddenly
Speaker 1: was trending on Twitter like over the last few days.
Speaker 1: It's a fucking dumb It's a it's a quote unquote
Speaker 1: documentary about the COVID vaccine, but it's it's so poorly
Speaker 1: made and like researched it. I don't even know why
Speaker 1: it's up there, Oh, because there's no moderation on Twitter.
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that and the just all kinds
Speaker 1: of interesting things that are discussed there. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: macho camps for sad rich guys, to the Modern Day
Speaker 1: Night Project. I don't know if you saw this, but
Speaker 1: this is like a thing where guys can get screamed
Speaker 1: at by more buff dudes and then feel like men
Speaker 1: after have they not heard of the Navy seals? Well,
Speaker 1: well you have, Well, dude, my fucking guy, dude, donkey,
Speaker 1: he used to be a seal, so he trains us.
Speaker 1: So it's all good. So we'll take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into like this whole entire industry and it's just like
Speaker 1: a terrible grift for you know, people with a very
Speaker 1: fragile sense of self, and talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: food since we have rowing here and I have a
Speaker 1: lot of questions. It's the real bleak picture of America
Speaker 1: and then food, so I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: or food then bleak picture of America. Look, either one
Speaker 1: we're gonna get. We're getting all of our we're eating today.
Speaker 1: But first Rowan got to ask you, our guests, what
Speaker 1: is some thing from your search history that is reveal
Speaker 1: something about who you are, what you're currently searching. I
Speaker 1: guess you know. I actually look back, I was like,
Speaker 1: what who am I? What kind of tel from my start?
Speaker 1: And what quickly was revealed to me is that I
Speaker 1: have been checking the snow report a whole I live
Speaker 1: in Vermont, So I've been checking the snow report a
Speaker 1: lot the past few days because there's a great cross
Speaker 1: country ski place like half an hour away from me,
Speaker 1: and like wind just hit Vermont hard out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: like a week ago, Like I got back from a
Speaker 1: trip and there was snow on the ground. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not ready. But then after like you know, a
Speaker 1: short batch of depression, I was like, but snow. So
Speaker 1: then I started checking ski Report and uh, yeah, with
Speaker 1: this one ski place just opened. So that's my corner salvation.
Speaker 1: How's Stow looking? And they're they're open for sure, down
Speaker 1: like the down hell places like stuff. They're they're going.
Speaker 1: Gets to know that I'm saying the one ski place
Speaker 1: I know him from. You got in that area, so
Speaker 1: like I went there once and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't know about Stove, but wait, so did you grow
Speaker 1: up in New England? Yeah I did. Wow. Okay, So
Speaker 1: that's very like the way you just talk about It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the winner comes. I'm from the San Fernando Valley in
Speaker 1: l A, where we have no seasons. So whenever I
Speaker 1: hear like or even you Joel or like Justin talked
Speaker 1: about Chicago and like winter I'm like, wow, your coat,
Speaker 1: they don't get hot right when you're walking around, you
Speaker 1: don't get hot in your jacket. You gotta take it
Speaker 1: off in the middle street. Cool. Cool, cool. So I'm
Speaker 1: always I love I love hearing people be like, for actual,
Speaker 1: twenty degrees can be like a curry Santa blessing, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's twenty degrees is like the cold you can
Speaker 1: stand like it's it's definitely cold, it's also cool. I
Speaker 1: want to die, you know, but anything below that suddenly
Speaker 1: you're like, it's okay if my body shuts down. We
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to be faced with this level of brisk
Speaker 1: air hitting my skin. Twenty degrees. Three degrees sounds like
Speaker 1: certain death for me. But what ru where are you at?
Speaker 1: What's what's your temperature scale? Like as a as ver monter, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is kind of like that magic tap where like if
Speaker 1: you're out doing stuff in it, exercising, you're pretty warm
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, it's not so bad once it
Speaker 1: gets down to the teens. Like even if you're you know,
Speaker 1: working pretty hard, it's pretty freaking cold. Right if you
Speaker 1: haven't done a winter before, remember to pop out your
Speaker 1: piercings before you go into the cold. My roommates had
Speaker 1: learned that the hard way, also from California. Yes, you're
Speaker 1: the metal will freeze. Oh wow, yeah dude, we're just
Speaker 1: so laid back in California. Man, Like, what are you
Speaker 1: talking about? They're like two hoodies is like a coat? Right? No, yo,
Speaker 1: I even know that. No, two hoodies is not. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and don't lick a metal ladder. I did that once
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. Look, that's California math for you, Rowan.
Speaker 1: What is something you think is overrated? All right? So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get myself into trouble with this one, all right,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I've started to think, you know you're not like, so,
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a professional food writer, right, I do
Speaker 1: a lot of taste like closely, like thinking about, oh
Speaker 1: does this go with this? And so on. I'm starting
Speaker 1: to think red wine is overrated and that's well, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: go on tell me why. I mean, Like, admittedly, Rowan,
Speaker 1: I the I know, I know, I know about wine,
Speaker 1: but I'm not like my palette. Isn't that discerning? Like
Speaker 1: I know different varietals, but I'm not out here. Look,
Speaker 1: most of the time I'm like is it screw top
Speaker 1: or cork ye, but what what do you what? Tell me,
Speaker 1: like walk me through so I can I can say
Speaker 1: something cool at Thanksgiving be like, oh, y'all drink a
Speaker 1: red wine. Yeah, I go for it, and I think
Speaker 1: you should. So yeah, I'm like red wines kind of
Speaker 1: considered like the ultimate drink, right, It's really concentrated, intense flavor,
Speaker 1: a lot going on, and you know, white wines kind
Speaker 1: of kind of considered, like you know, for light weight.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit oh like for like if you
Speaker 1: funk with wine, like you want the reds because like
Speaker 1: there's so much you know, white's fine, but then you know,
Speaker 1: real flavor, you're going for red. And like the really
Speaker 1: really really expensive bottles are all red, like the super
Speaker 1: you know, like the two thousand dollar bottles are all red.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true. You never see someone like and
Speaker 1: here's my six thousand dollar rose exactly. Yeah, like Rose
Speaker 1: twenty blucks. It's mixed out right, So red wines supposed
Speaker 1: to be super great. But like you know, like I do,
Speaker 1: I spell all the time, like tasting stuff, like drinking
Speaker 1: different things with different foods, and I'm just starting to think, like, man,
Speaker 1: this red wine is kind of like overdone. It's like
Speaker 1: somebody's should have taken the skins out before it got
Speaker 1: so red. That feeling a flaw And like you know,
Speaker 1: beer and white wine and other things I think go
Speaker 1: better with food. But that's a very controversial thing to say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I meant foodie world. Yeah, I'm sure, because everyone's like,
Speaker 1: you gotta like red meat, you've gotta have red wine exactly,
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, all right, and I tried to
Speaker 1: do that where people like, no, it really enhances the flavor.
Speaker 1: But I'm the kind of person who does not drink
Speaker 1: liquids when they eat, like I don't. I'm like an
Speaker 1: end of the deal drinker, like nothing like not even wanted,
Speaker 1: don't sip, I don't wash it down. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: focused on the meal. That's just how That's how I've
Speaker 1: gotten down since the beginning of times. But so like
Speaker 1: when people always be like you gotta try that with this,
Speaker 1: I'm always like, okay, I don't like and then after
Speaker 1: like have this red one, I'm like, okay, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's not like doesn't put a terrible taste in
Speaker 1: my mouth, But that's also not like necessarily the culinary
Speaker 1: experience I see all the time. Yeah, I'm a rose girl,
Speaker 1: and if they offered a six dollar bottle of rose,
Speaker 1: I would be the kind of person to buy it
Speaker 1: and be like, what's happening? Is it sparkling? Golden it?
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's why, like everybody drinks natural wines
Speaker 1: and ship now, Like I feel like that's become like
Speaker 1: a real popular thing now less so than like, you know,
Speaker 1: drinking a full bodied kianti or something. Is everyone's like
Speaker 1: a skin contact natural wines, that's what I always see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, that's that's happening. And it's sort
Speaker 1: of it's starting to like undercut this whole, like this
Speaker 1: myth that red wine the good wind ones? Are these
Speaker 1: super concentrated ones? Yeah good, I'm glad. I'm I'm glad
Speaker 1: you said that wrong, because whenever I taste those what
Speaker 1: then it's hard for me to be like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: you're right? Is this were these like Spanish oak catsis
Speaker 1: like I can't there's no way I could do that.
Speaker 1: Keep the Spanish out, go away, like just give me
Speaker 1: a beer. Yeah. At that point, I'm like, thank you
Speaker 1: so much, But I don't know if I can pretend
Speaker 1: along with everyone like this, Um, what is something you
Speaker 1: think is underrated? Rowing one thing I've been noticing, And
Speaker 1: tell me, tell me if you if you all are
Speaker 1: having this experience or not, because I'm like, I live
Speaker 1: in the country, so I'm not in like a city
Speaker 1: all the time. But I've noticed that, you know, after COVID,
Speaker 1: you weren't having a lot of like just like minor
Speaker 1: interactions with people, that the stuff that you normally do
Speaker 1: every day, and then you had masks on. And now
Speaker 1: I've just been noticing how like if I'm just like
Speaker 1: in the city for a day or in town and
Speaker 1: no one's got massive everyone's back to sort of like
Speaker 1: those normal, stupid, meaningless interactions, you know, just like you're
Speaker 1: chatting with your but the barista and the person cutting
Speaker 1: your hair and the person post office. And I've noticed, like,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm like in a
Speaker 1: really good mood because of those stupid little interactions that
Speaker 1: we didn't have for like two or three years, you know. Sure,
Speaker 1: So I'm starting to think that's underrated, that that stuff
Speaker 1: that doesn't really mean anything, but it just sort of
Speaker 1: like human yeah, human connection, you know, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like powerful, even if even in a like less
Speaker 1: I guess monumental way, you know, it's like nice to
Speaker 1: even like when I go and like go to my
Speaker 1: coffee shop, like I'm now I chat everybody up because
Speaker 1: like you see, you see people there all the time,
Speaker 1: and now I just say, oh, hey, like not even
Speaker 1: to be like it, what's going on with you? Like
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily put on the biggest conversation, but I
Speaker 1: am much more like, hey, alright, I'm acknowledging you what's
Speaker 1: going on for a little person out there? Yeah, I'm shure.
Speaker 1: It's small talk. I really hate it, but I am
Speaker 1: do you find myself being like you good? Yea, how
Speaker 1: do you need Okay? It's like on set or something
Speaker 1: that's talking to the grip the other day, I like, hi, dude,
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm always and I'm like that's great. And
Speaker 1: then we just sat in zilence for twenty minutes. Everybody
Speaker 1: else eight. It's really not It was like Israel peaceful
Speaker 1: and nice and I appreciate it. That's that very small moment,
Speaker 1: is it that? Like roll? What is it about those
Speaker 1: pleasant trees that you think like that that are so fulfilling?
Speaker 1: For you? Is it just is it? Is it purely
Speaker 1: because you're kind of like, oh, that's right, Like I
Speaker 1: I've kind of in the heights of the pandemic when
Speaker 1: people were you know, locked up and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: like we shifted gears and maybe dulled that need to
Speaker 1: like sort of interact with people and now that's coming
Speaker 1: back or what what for you? What do you feel
Speaker 1: is like the thing that's given it life for you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you hit it. I think it's just those
Speaker 1: little reminders of human connection that you know, we are,
Speaker 1: like we're a super social species and we like just
Speaker 1: those little like minor you know, shading the ship in
Speaker 1: ways that don't matter. It just helps us remember that
Speaker 1: we're part of a group and that we like, we
Speaker 1: like have like things in common, even though we often
Speaker 1: focus on the twentieth thing, you know, right right right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, man, I would say that. You know, there's
Speaker 1: so many studies that come out that always reinforced this
Speaker 1: of like just like saying hello to a friend that
Speaker 1: you haven't talked to ends up like boosting like everyone
Speaker 1: involves like well being after a call like that. I
Speaker 1: just randomly like it up my friend yesterday because I
Speaker 1: was gonna text, and I was like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a call just to challenge with somebody. Just call somebody
Speaker 1: you meant to text, and you'll you'll be surprised. I
Speaker 1: thought I was just gonna check in for like ten minutes.
Speaker 1: We talked for an hour. Yeah. It's always nice to,
Speaker 1: you know, have those moments because you forget. It's really
Speaker 1: easy to forget because we connect to each other in
Speaker 1: so many like nonverbal ways with technology and ship. You
Speaker 1: gotta remember the good old days, like when we're in
Speaker 1: middle school talking on a landline. Oh yeah, parents, when
Speaker 1: they're like, you need to get off this phone. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: just five more minutes. Didn't you just see them at school?
Speaker 1: You will see them tomorrow? Yes, I know. Okay, So
Speaker 1: both y'all paying the phone bill, but we got mom.
Speaker 1: We got vantage, I thought, because it's vantage, we don't
Speaker 1: pay because it's hooked up to the internet. Oh night,
Speaker 1: get you call her back later. Don't worry about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, that's another thing that's underrated as landlines. I
Speaker 1: think landlines are underrated, you know now that just don't
Speaker 1: have them anymore. I mean that's like a new genre
Speaker 1: of content on TikTok, which is like young gen Ze
Speaker 1: kids being like, what in the funk is this thing?
Speaker 1: Watching them try to dial is so adorable. They're like,
Speaker 1: what don't you have the mitary phone? Did she have
Speaker 1: me do? Like the two black girls like at their
Speaker 1: house and the mom was just taping them. She's like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe they are getting the biggest kick. You're like, mom,
Speaker 1: what's this sound? She's like the dial tone? She was like, wait,
Speaker 1: doesn't actually call, She's like on my cell phone. She's
Speaker 1: like when it was ringing, her face lit up, like
Speaker 1: the ancient thing made my phone buzz. How yeah? Do
Speaker 1: you have a landline? Run? Not anymore? We got rid
Speaker 1: of it. But here's like, so this I'm going to
Speaker 1: seem like a dinosaur you guys if I admit this.
Speaker 1: But when I was a kid, this is in Vermont
Speaker 1: for mom was all behind. We had not just the landline,
Speaker 1: but a party line. You know what a party line is? No,
Speaker 1: so like where you could call and like a bunch
Speaker 1: of people, like like anyone could talk on it. Basically
Speaker 1: anyone on our road. It was all one line, right,
Speaker 1: so every it would everybody when there was a phone call,
Speaker 1: it would ring for everybody, and whoever would pick up,
Speaker 1: and then you all have to figure out who was
Speaker 1: actually for, who was actually kind, and then everyone else
Speaker 1: was supposed to hang up, but you couldn't always tell
Speaker 1: like that, My god, wow, that sounds better than Twitter. Imagine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like hoping MS party d M s right exactly, It's
Speaker 1: basically like a party. It was a party DM back
Speaker 1: of its day. Hell, when I think back that, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that existed, you know, right, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: becauld you. Yeah. I feel like in our day and age,
Speaker 1: like if people had the ability every like just people
Speaker 1: would just be like no one would be hanging up
Speaker 1: and then like weaponizing that information against like the person.
Speaker 1: And some of that happened back then too, to be honest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure right, it was always tempting to not hang on.
Speaker 1: You know. Wait, so if someone and now okay, so
Speaker 1: if someone called, let's presume it was the phone call
Speaker 1: was for your house but only rang like twice and
Speaker 1: maybe you forgot and like you didn't and you weren't
Speaker 1: there to pick it up, and everyone's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know who you're calling for. They're like, well that's not me.
Speaker 1: But you're not there, we just be like called back
Speaker 1: and then we'll all know to not pick up. Okay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so everyone you just had to work it out,
Speaker 1: and the reality was that people just didn't make that
Speaker 1: any phone calls back then, right right, I'm just still
Speaker 1: I know Joel, you're thinking the same thing. I like,
Speaker 1: how fucking messy would things get? It would be too messy? Well,
Speaker 1: actually I had thought so like if that existed today,
Speaker 1: I don't know my neighbors that well, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be like who they'd be like, you know,
Speaker 1: the address right next to years would be like literally
Speaker 1: never met him, Like sorry, call again. And then my
Speaker 1: other thought was like, yeah, it would be messy. But
Speaker 1: imagine I was thinking about like my high school self.
Speaker 1: You know, he was like a small click of like
Speaker 1: girl crew. That would have been amazing. We could all
Speaker 1: just pick just somebody calls his crisis. We're all like,
Speaker 1: what how can we help? We're all here, I mean,
Speaker 1: or just knowing, Like when I pick up the phone,
Speaker 1: my friends are always talking, most likely just I know
Speaker 1: y'all were there, Hey, what's going on? Okay, So this
Speaker 1: is one I'm gonna just listen just to be comforted
Speaker 1: by the voices. I don't have anything to say. Just yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm here, y'all go ahead, just then, magical. All right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll be right back
Speaker 1: to talk about Mike pom Pale right after this, and
Speaker 1: we're back, and another day, another wildly messed up thing
Speaker 1: being uttered by someone in the Republican Party. Today's presenter
Speaker 1: of terrible ideas is former a Secretary of State and
Speaker 1: bake time fan of the End Times, Mike Pompeo. Uh,
Speaker 1: he's kept pretty he's been pretty coy about, you know,
Speaker 1: whether or not he's running, more in the sense that
Speaker 1: he has an outright saying it. But it keeps me like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I you know, I have a
Speaker 1: pack set up and I'm doing a lot of press,
Speaker 1: which would indicate that I am ramping up for a
Speaker 1: presidential run. And you know, we saw, like many other
Speaker 1: people do this. Mike Pence had his like terrible, awful,
Speaker 1: awkward town hall last week on CNN, where like Jake
Speaker 1: Tapper tried to have like an Ian La van Zant
Speaker 1: style intervention for him, It's like you can still be
Speaker 1: mad at Donald Trump. Mike Pence, Yeah, I would be too.
Speaker 1: You don't like what is are you okay? And then
Speaker 1: we've seen Rhonda Santis like he's like winking at the
Speaker 1: camera like Jim from the Office when he's asked about
Speaker 1: like whether or not he's gonna and he's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, folks. I'm just waiting for Trump to implode
Speaker 1: and then I will come, you know, come to life.
Speaker 1: But we'll see what happens with that man. But the
Speaker 1: man who was Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, he this
Speaker 1: is a guy who was looking at all the threats
Speaker 1: that the country faces from, you know, a geopolitical perspective.
Speaker 1: He has identified the greatest threat to our country in
Speaker 1: a recent interview, and I'm just gonna let you know
Speaker 1: who that is, he said. I get asked, who's the
Speaker 1: most dangerous person in the world. Is it Kirman Chim
Speaker 1: or is it Chairman Cairman? Him? Switch those up? Is
Speaker 1: it chairman Kim? Is it ping? The most dangerous person
Speaker 1: in the world is Randy Wine Garden now Randy White
Speaker 1: Garden is She is the head of the Teachers Union.
Speaker 1: He identified her as the most dangerous person. He said,
Speaker 1: it's not a close call. If yes, who's the most
Speaker 1: likely to take this Republic down? It would be the
Speaker 1: teachers unions and the filth that they're teaching our kids
Speaker 1: and the fact that they don't know math and reading
Speaker 1: or writing. Oh interesting, sir, he said, these are things
Speaker 1: that candidates should speak about, speak to in a way
Speaker 1: that says, here's the problem, here's a proposal for how
Speaker 1: to solve it, and if given the opportunity, these are
Speaker 1: the things I will go work on and try and
Speaker 1: deliver that outcome that fixes that problem. I think it
Speaker 1: is interesting in this instance, see like the Republicans realize that, like,
Speaker 1: actually connecting outcomes to policy ideas is the thing that
Speaker 1: people people seeking office should do, although sadly these policies
Speaker 1: and ideas are are a little off. Like the biggest
Speaker 1: thing that he's saying is that, like, if they're teaching
Speaker 1: like stuff like the sixteen nineteen project and that this
Speaker 1: country was founded on a racist idea quote. If those
Speaker 1: are the things people are entered the seventh grade deeply
Speaker 1: embedded in their understanding of America, it's difficult to understand
Speaker 1: how J. Jympings claimed that America is in decline won't
Speaker 1: prove true. Oh so many thoughts so many that's a
Speaker 1: that's a big that's a big swing. And I think
Speaker 1: again they're trying to find a way. I think for
Speaker 1: like Republicans running in the primary for office, they're trying
Speaker 1: to find a thing that's like, well, overt racism didn't
Speaker 1: do well, or like misogyny and the denial of like
Speaker 1: body autonomy. What if we like kind of end around
Speaker 1: by like shaking the education tree and kind of using
Speaker 1: that as like the venue to begin to say like
Speaker 1: these like liberals are going to groom your kids in
Speaker 1: schools and also learn about stuff. So first, it's super
Speaker 1: funny to hear people be like, yes, slavery was here,
Speaker 1: but was it racist? Question mark right? Not an ideal?
Speaker 1: We were found out? Is literally what the hell happened?
Speaker 1: It's just very bizarre. But then two coming after teachers,
Speaker 1: it feels like the most witch hunting thing the Republicans
Speaker 1: have done in a hot minute. It's like there they'll
Speaker 1: poison your children. Be terrified, Like, I don't their teachers,
Speaker 1: they're just like have you met one? They literally just
Speaker 1: want to help your kid be educated, get through their day.
Speaker 1: Most of them are spending huge chunks of their paycheck
Speaker 1: on stalking their class with like supplies and stuff like
Speaker 1: they you couldn't go after like want. I know, it's
Speaker 1: better to go after people without means because you know,
Speaker 1: if you have your legal day in court, you can
Speaker 1: just outpay them and outpace them in a court trial.
Speaker 1: But I also just think like for the most part,
Speaker 1: teachers have community on their side because I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: local police, they're active members of their community. So this
Speaker 1: is a very foolish like angle to try to take.
Speaker 1: I don't I know, like anti elitism is like as
Speaker 1: far as like you know how your education is very popular,
Speaker 1: but not the sixth grade teachers. I feel like they're
Speaker 1: missing They're they're going to miss their audience on this.
Speaker 1: I think they've found a lot of success. They're like
Speaker 1: you've seen these school board meetings, Like a lot of
Speaker 1: people are finding that that is a place where they
Speaker 1: can try and you know, act out this kind of
Speaker 1: change quote that they're looking for. But yeah, it is,
Speaker 1: I think it is. It does seem like a very
Speaker 1: I mean again, you're talking about people who are dedicating
Speaker 1: their lives to educating your kids, and I think this
Speaker 1: kind of I think this is also going part and
Speaker 1: parcel with the general like theme of panic around the
Speaker 1: youth vote in the mid terms also, and I think
Speaker 1: they're starting to be like, oh, these younger kids are
Speaker 1: like what, what the heck are they learning that? They're like,
Speaker 1: they're they're voting for a body autonomy and access to healthcare. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Those damn kids. I love the toughest of them. They're
Speaker 1: out here doing it. Yeah, we'll see what happens. I
Speaker 1: just I don't think that they're going to be able
Speaker 1: to sustain this type of attack because even the school
Speaker 1: boards were mostly about like the library and books they
Speaker 1: have access to, and not individual teachers. You might have,
Speaker 1: like on a local level, like small gripes with the
Speaker 1: specific teacher, maybe someone's too outspoken or whatever. We've certainly
Speaker 1: seen that happen around the country where like oh the
Speaker 1: teacher is out and people don't like that, or you know,
Speaker 1: they put up gay pride stuff in the lobby. Horrifying.
Speaker 1: They suggested the students read Beloved by Tony Morrison, like huh,
Speaker 1: it will scar your children, but it's a scarring they need, okay, appropriate,
Speaker 1: What's what's kind of the tone and in Vermont Rowan
Speaker 1: like as it like relates to like schooling and and
Speaker 1: things like that, because I know, I mean, I feel
Speaker 1: like like every state is experiencing some form of like
Speaker 1: chaos around education. Yeah, for sure, it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: quieter here because just because the towns are so small, right,
Speaker 1: you know, typical town would be like a thousand of people,
Speaker 1: so you might only have like eight kids in the school,
Speaker 1: So like everyone kind of knows each other and right
Speaker 1: that that it seems like that often that kind of
Speaker 1: like takes the edge off. Like you know, Twitter, you
Speaker 1: get people get into huge fights because they can't see
Speaker 1: each other, they don't know each other, and they're pretty
Speaker 1: sure they're never going to run into each other, Like
Speaker 1: in Vermont, you're pretty sure you're gonna run into everybody
Speaker 1: and right, so so it kind of keeps it a
Speaker 1: little more civil, h Yeah, or yeah, or you never
Speaker 1: know when you might pick up the party line and
Speaker 1: here they might be on the other end of the party. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot keeping these things together. But yeah, again,
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of a lot of noise coming
Speaker 1: out I think as a party tries to figure out,
Speaker 1: like just combing through the ashes of their midterm platform,
Speaker 1: like okay, so none of that was that great. They
Speaker 1: don't like election denihiism and some of these other things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hitting hitting on the teachers, it's not gonna work much
Speaker 1: better for them. I feel like somehow, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's it's really it's kind of alarming because even
Speaker 1: like in the you know, in the light of the
Speaker 1: that you know, hate attack in Colorado over the weekend,
Speaker 1: you're still seeing conservatives like just continue to double down
Speaker 1: on this like rhetoric of like, and there are these
Speaker 1: people who are trying to harm your kids, and that
Speaker 1: you know half the time that they're they're they're wanting
Speaker 1: to sort of guide that road into and it's the
Speaker 1: teachers and not the countless people like clergy that we
Speaker 1: read about every week and some like new investigation, but
Speaker 1: maybe that it's only happened in school. I think they'll
Speaker 1: keep doubling down on it until it hurts them in
Speaker 1: the primaries. And that's what I'm gonna be curious to
Speaker 1: see if yeah, because that's when people like yeah started shifting.
Speaker 1: When he's like, Okay, so those people got it, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll take a little bit of that idea, but I
Speaker 1: won't have to do it later but I will say
Speaker 1: I will collect the right opinions, Thank you so much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well we shall see. Speaking of just terrible ideas, you know,
Speaker 1: Twitter has been you're up, You're down, You're up, you're
Speaker 1: down looking at this thing. Uh. The last thing we
Speaker 1: heard is like Ellen was saying the verified thing where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I gotta, I gotta figure this out. It's like,
Speaker 1: turns out too many people want to impersonate brands and
Speaker 1: give out free insulin or talk about you know, military
Speaker 1: government overthrows by fruit companies. But I think there's this
Speaker 1: the other thing about like around moderation is a huge
Speaker 1: issue that isn't really talked about as much. I think
Speaker 1: as everyone is either just like dunking on elon reply
Speaker 1: guys or just kind of doing their like it's been
Speaker 1: a pleasure performing with you this night on the deck
Speaker 1: of that Titanic type pa. But the phrase died suddenly
Speaker 1: has been trending on Twitter, and I was like, what
Speaker 1: the funk is this. It's so it's a documentary that's
Speaker 1: dreaming on Twitter, first of all, and it purports to
Speaker 1: quote present the truth about the greatest ongoing mass genocide
Speaker 1: in human history COVID vaccines. Oh that's what it's. It's
Speaker 1: mass genocide. Okay, and it's it's called died suddenly, and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh wow, like what is going on? And
Speaker 1: this shouldn't surprise anyone. The film never actually proves that
Speaker 1: anyone died suddenly because of the vaccine. It just instead
Speaker 1: makes like the most outlandish, spurious, mendacious even connections between
Speaker 1: like the like introduction of the vaccine and just other
Speaker 1: events that happened completely unrelated. Like there's not there's no context,
Speaker 1: there's no scientific there's not one like a bit of
Speaker 1: scientific evidence. It's really like the vaccines came out and
Speaker 1: this guy fell down. What do you think about that?
Speaker 1: Like so there were just like pictures of blood clots,
Speaker 1: like and then they're just like okay, so what is
Speaker 1: no one really saying that. They're just being like yeah,
Speaker 1: blood cloth like just saying like buzzwords. And again, the
Speaker 1: whole quote unquote documentary features a lot of footage of
Speaker 1: people who they again the title says, died suddenly, except
Speaker 1: for the fact that like these people that are in there,
Speaker 1: not only they say they did. It's not that they
Speaker 1: collapsed as a result of getting the vaccine. These people
Speaker 1: didn't even die, Like it's just this like really really
Speaker 1: opportunistic grip. So okay, there's a whole Twitter thread that's
Speaker 1: going through this documentary looking at the quote unquote deaths
Speaker 1: in this like like in this trailer, and a lot
Speaker 1: of them can be debunked because they were like newsy moments.
Speaker 1: Like there was a woman who stumbled like on a
Speaker 1: train platform because she hadn't eaten all day, but like
Speaker 1: in a in a in the like sort of in
Speaker 1: a vacuum. The footage is like this woman stumbled off
Speaker 1: a train platform, but admittedly she was like my bloodsuckers
Speaker 1: lodge didn't eat and that's what happened. Were they saying
Speaker 1: that she stumbled off the platform because she got the vaccine,
Speaker 1: that's the implication. Yes. Then they even showed like because
Speaker 1: the whole thing is like died. So and then they
Speaker 1: showed like like one of these like royal guards of
Speaker 1: Buckingham Palace who like fainted, because that happens a lot too,
Speaker 1: you like, it's not a thing you haven't seen with
Speaker 1: like those like guards who just stands knees you've passed out, yea.
Speaker 1: Then they showed this basketball player from Florida, Kyante Johnson,
Speaker 1: who like he he this was headlines he collapsed in
Speaker 1: a game in December of and which was before he
Speaker 1: could have been vaccinated. Like unless he like pulled up
Speaker 1: with a fake ideas like I'm high risk and a
Speaker 1: senior citizen, can I get a vaccine? They're like, that's that,
Speaker 1: that's not what has happened. And he even said he
Speaker 1: just like had nothing, like I just I just passed
Speaker 1: out and like it was very scary for me. That's
Speaker 1: what happened, nothing to do with the vaccine. So it's again,
Speaker 1: this has been so clearly like not a obviously just
Speaker 1: a bad eight like you know, shot at when the
Speaker 1: pun is intended at like COVID misinformation, you know. And
Speaker 1: if you're asking yourself, is this Elon Musk's fault, well yes,
Speaker 1: of course, Like first of all, the the account is verified,
Speaker 1: so a lot of people like have just been watching
Speaker 1: and who are not very savvy, and I think it's
Speaker 1: it's just like the overall reception of it has been
Speaker 1: some people kind of retweeting it, but mostly people being like,
Speaker 1: what how are you going to let this be on
Speaker 1: the platform right now? Like this is so this isn't
Speaker 1: even good and again these people are like grifting because
Speaker 1: they're just asking people for money at the end. Oh
Speaker 1: really what wait, but are they promising anything? And they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: help us for their investigations. I think, just to you know,
Speaker 1: just to get just to get more, just to get
Speaker 1: the facts out. You know. It's the same thing all
Speaker 1: these grifters do. It's like you you present this like
Speaker 1: just gigantic, unfathomable battle that has to be done, and
Speaker 1: you're like, and I know how to fight it, and
Speaker 1: just give me some money to do it, so you
Speaker 1: don't know, I'll take care of it for you. Money
Speaker 1: will solve all your problems. Wow, this is feels to
Speaker 1: me as like a very long time adamant Twitter user,
Speaker 1: like the first step in a pivot towards four Chan,
Speaker 1: which I think is the direction that's going. I mean,
Speaker 1: a lot of Elon's fanboys live there on Reddit. I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have some of them will migrate to Twitter.
Speaker 1: We're already seeing a giant exodus of people from the platform,
Speaker 1: and I think everyone who stayed has sort of that
Speaker 1: will eventually leave state as an opportunity to be like hey,
Speaker 1: they want to see like the burning, like what happens
Speaker 1: in the final days of Twitter. But to you know,
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of questions like where do we go?
Speaker 1: I think I found the solution. I think it's high.
Speaker 1: It's high, it's where it's at. Man, it's a perfect
Speaker 1: combination of Instagram and Twitter and then like a dash
Speaker 1: of my Space. If they add a top eight, it's
Speaker 1: really over for everybody. It's so much fun and it's
Speaker 1: very like chill. I'm sure. I'm almost hesitant to like
Speaker 1: spread the word because this feels like the right amount
Speaker 1: of everyone. A lot of people on Twitter have I've
Speaker 1: been seeing everybody been like, hey, man, I think the
Speaker 1: party is over all hive, and then well, I think
Speaker 1: this is also where we're at. Two is like this
Speaker 1: truly is like when a party get a house party
Speaker 1: gets broken up by the cops and you know where
Speaker 1: we're going next, and you're trying to figure out and
Speaker 1: like there's three different options and you're like, well, the
Speaker 1: other person just said Mastadon, I thought it was post social.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, it's hive. Macedon is definitely not. That's
Speaker 1: too complicated. I can't figure it out right. But just
Speaker 1: to go get back to this documentary, I just want
Speaker 1: to say, the guy behind this movie is Stu Peter
Speaker 1: and this doctor oh wait, no, he's not a doctor.
Speaker 1: Make that former bounty hunter turned podcaster who was kicked
Speaker 1: off of Spotify for claiming that COVID vaccines were a
Speaker 1: military bioweapon full of metallic parasites who just wanted to
Speaker 1: get that last in there. And you've seen any good
Speaker 1: documentaries recently. I know I'm going to watch this one
Speaker 1: now here. I don't know if this one's the trailer.
Speaker 1: I mean it is wild to see, Like do you
Speaker 1: see this kind of stuff in like like in the
Speaker 1: food world or just like in your line of work,
Speaker 1: where it's sometimes someone just like thinks they know like
Speaker 1: how your field works, and they're like, I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: this wild claim and maybe it'll get some attention, and
Speaker 1: I'll pray that no one is actually like knows what
Speaker 1: they're talking or knows what I'm trying to talk about
Speaker 1: and then be found out. Oh yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: think they have everywhere in the food world for sure,
Speaker 1: Like almost every every diet based claim turns out to
Speaker 1: be like not so good, right right right, It's like
Speaker 1: I'm on the cash. You and Tiger's Milk diet and
Speaker 1: you're gonna love it. Shout out Tiger's Milk. Those protein bars.
Speaker 1: I really like those, um anyway, So don't check out that.
Speaker 1: Uh And no one suddenly died. If anything, you're better
Speaker 1: off watching Suddenly Susan. Okay, Uh, Let's take a quick
Speaker 1: Barry ache and we'll be right back to talk more
Speaker 1: right after this, and we're back. Last week, there was this,
Speaker 1: like a few write ups I saw about something called
Speaker 1: the Modern Day Night k N I g h T Project,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what is going on? We asked
Speaker 1: j Mr Writer to to do a little digging on
Speaker 1: this phenomenon, and it turns out it's it's a real thing.
Speaker 1: And if you loved Summer Camp but you a wished
Speaker 1: it had more guns and enduring tests and be you're
Speaker 1: currently a sad adult man, we've got great news. You
Speaker 1: can sign up for this project or this weird camp.
Speaker 1: And while you think a Modern Day Night would presumably
Speaker 1: just spend their time chilling out with Michael Caine and
Speaker 1: Andrew Lloyd Waite Webber in a castle somewhere, these guys
Speaker 1: are basically just in a boot camp, like a twelve
Speaker 1: thousand dollar boot camp and the website if you go
Speaker 1: to the website, what they're saying it's designed for men
Speaker 1: who are quote living in unfulfilled life of passivity and
Speaker 1: frustration or what they call but clearly are like unable
Speaker 1: to trademark quote the walking dead. Uh. He said, in
Speaker 1: simple terms, most men surrender to circumstances and accept mediocrity.
Speaker 1: So they're trying to get you in your like masculine
Speaker 1: grind mindset. And the introduction also includes passages about what
Speaker 1: it means to be a man, like in bold letters
Speaker 1: is what does it mean to be a man? And
Speaker 1: apparently it means being one type of primate rather than
Speaker 1: a different kind. Uh. They said, they don't need to
Speaker 1: look any further than nature, because nature never lies. The
Speaker 1: picture of the left depicts a chimpanzee and a bonobo
Speaker 1: ape on their right, and the chimpanzee is like showing
Speaker 1: its fangs and like snarling and teeth gnashing. The bonobo
Speaker 1: is like just like, hey, I'm just chilling. And it says,
Speaker 1: when you understand the difference between these two creatures, you'll
Speaker 1: know why some men can walk into a room and
Speaker 1: instantly command presence in respect the way of the Chimp
Speaker 1: is based on strength, courage, honor, and brotherhood. The way
Speaker 1: of the Bonobo is based on weakness, pleasure, full time,
Speaker 1: relaxation and fun. I'm sorry to have fun y'all want,
Speaker 1: But nobles have a ton of sex too. That's like,
Speaker 1: what do you do? What are they tapping to a
Speaker 1: very specific type of man that the internet type of
Speaker 1: man who doesn't want a lot of sex? Apparently, well,
Speaker 1: I think makes sex. I mean maybe yes, but also
Speaker 1: the guys who feel that they are like what's the
Speaker 1: term they use involuntarily celibrate? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think and especially because some of those guys
Speaker 1: seem very hard up to be, like to have their
Speaker 1: manhood defined and outlined for them in a way that
Speaker 1: is then not questionable, and doing something like this where
Speaker 1: like no, I was with guides and Wilderness, so they
Speaker 1: can never tell me I wasn't masculine or that I
Speaker 1: didn't have the answers. I took leadership courses. I's also
Speaker 1: got like a lot of I used to work for UM.
Speaker 1: All the names are escaping me today, guys. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: They're like life coaches, but their brand is not based
Speaker 1: on anything of event tearing you down in subtle ways,
Speaker 1: like the writing of Yeah, well, like the writing is
Speaker 1: will be like this, doesn't it suck that no one
Speaker 1: loves you? And don't you wish your body was a
Speaker 1: little bit better so you can be more confident when
Speaker 1: you talk to people. And you don't have those skills,
Speaker 1: but I definitely do, so you know, make sure like
Speaker 1: they just constantly are like reminding people of any possible
Speaker 1: insecurity so that by the time you're finished reading their letter,
Speaker 1: you feel like you need help. And that's definitely like
Speaker 1: reading on the website. Here's okay, if you've made it
Speaker 1: this far down this page, then I can already tell
Speaker 1: that you're not like most men who know they're meant
Speaker 1: for more, but allow fear and poor discipline to stifle
Speaker 1: personal development, income and impact. That's key freezing to just
Speaker 1: like trigger a person with low self esteem into purchasing
Speaker 1: whatever the packages. And it's really horrifying that copy can
Speaker 1: do that. It's very successful. Yeah, the power of copy
Speaker 1: and also the power of the chimp too. Let's not
Speaker 1: forget courage and honor are foundational to the chimpanzee, not
Speaker 1: randomly biting off the face of your like human owner, Like,
Speaker 1: that's when I see chimpanzee's in the fucking news. It
Speaker 1: doesn't sound very honorable or brotherhood. But again, they're wild
Speaker 1: animals and that's why shouldn't keep them as pets. The
Speaker 1: pictures are so upsetting, like it's a bunch of men
Speaker 1: in the water and white t shirts. They're kind of dirty.
Speaker 1: They all look very tired and hungry. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: a cross between a baptism and like a child boy
Speaker 1: fire exactly, baptism by fire. You got it right there, Joel.
Speaker 1: The founder of this is some guy named bed ros
Speaker 1: Culian and uh, he wrote the he's got a YouTube
Speaker 1: channel and he's got a book called Man Up, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know his YouTube channel, he's got stuff like this
Speaker 1: guy's tadded. He's like just ripped, like bearded gen extra dude.
Speaker 1: It's like the just the card says cancel culture. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some really interesting takes on there. And
Speaker 1: he like, you know that this whole thing conclusively proves
Speaker 1: by toxic masculinity isn't a thing using graphics borrowed from
Speaker 1: a mid nineties karaoke video, Because there are these like
Speaker 1: videos that like in impact font look I love it.
Speaker 1: I loved Impact font too when I first discovered fonts
Speaker 1: as a child. But this the style guide is terrible here,
Speaker 1: and there's like there's just like these in these videos
Speaker 1: and stuff. Is no such thing as toxic masculinity like
Speaker 1: played over very just you know, mundane b roll type
Speaker 1: of stuff. But again, according to this guy, his goal
Speaker 1: is to present men with a crossroads and it's either
Speaker 1: stay a bitch or become a beast in his words,
Speaker 1: which is also incidentally the same crossroads presented to the
Speaker 1: Prince in Beauty and the Beast. But one of the
Speaker 1: project's head instructor, Steve Eckert, he's like saying, you're not
Speaker 1: allowed to be a man anymore. You're almost a racist
Speaker 1: if you're a man these days. It's crazy, Oh, you're confused.
Speaker 1: You haven't been understanding the message. That's such a weird
Speaker 1: thing to say, Like you couldn't write better comedy than that.
Speaker 1: Where someone's like, you're almost a racist if you're a
Speaker 1: man these days. What do you? What do you? What
Speaker 1: do you want? In their whiteness based off of all
Speaker 1: of the if you go to the video section, they
Speaker 1: have testimonials, Yeah, and then it's looking very white in there.
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing anybody else Joel Again, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be regressive here, but this isn't for you, Okay, clearly, bros.
Speaker 1: It's for bros with twelve thousand dollars to pay, not
Speaker 1: include eating, flights or accommodation so they can get accommodations. No,
Speaker 1: that's just to be yelled at and play with guns
Speaker 1: and get told you're a puss, say by some fucking
Speaker 1: ripped guy, and then I think you come out the
Speaker 1: other side better pay Dominatrix. It's some money better spent,
Speaker 1: and they're probably not gonna full you twelve For twelve grand,
Speaker 1: you can build a pretty good dungeon. Explicitly like this,
Speaker 1: this whole thing, like there's a lot of militarized stuff
Speaker 1: because you know what, deep rooted psychological problem hasn't been
Speaker 1: solved by a handgun. I think it's a very very
Speaker 1: good combination that they have going there. And like the
Speaker 1: beginning of this quote unquote project starts with people being
Speaker 1: thrown into a car with bags over their heads, like
Speaker 1: the recruiting scene in Old School. We're getting their fraternity together,
Speaker 1: just snatching people off the street, and then they have
Speaker 1: to do a lot of physical challenges, and there was
Speaker 1: like apparently someone this is and confirmed, but like someone
Speaker 1: in like a Reddit post was talking about like a
Speaker 1: guy who did it and said that they were they
Speaker 1: were buried alive in body bags. For a little bit
Speaker 1: too with what's been happening, because like, Okay, so now
Speaker 1: it's so interesting. Okay, so it's like not just that
Speaker 1: like motivational speaker kind of life, but it's also a
Speaker 1: little bit of like Christian church camp if you've ever
Speaker 1: had to go through that. It's also a little bit
Speaker 1: I forget what they're called, but basically it's traumatized like
Speaker 1: an entire generation of teenagers whose parents would like pay
Speaker 1: to have them kidnapped and troubled teen camps, and yes,
Speaker 1: that was actually has to be like weird worker camps
Speaker 1: where kids were being like sexually assaulted but also worked
Speaker 1: to the point of exhaustion sometimes death, where girls were
Speaker 1: forced to like take their pregnancy to term and forced
Speaker 1: into like long term isolation spaces, like horrible spaces. But again,
Speaker 1: I think it feeds into this idea for a certain
Speaker 1: kind of guy who thinks, like the only way to
Speaker 1: prove that I am a man is by going through
Speaker 1: the most amount of hardship as possible. And because I
Speaker 1: wasn't fortunate enough quotes to go through any misfortune previously,
Speaker 1: I have to manufacture it later in life to prove
Speaker 1: a point. It's very weird. What's to wake up my
Speaker 1: weakness inside of me? Well, that's why I'm going, and
Speaker 1: that's why Jack is there today. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: reveal that on the show. That's why Jack's out. He's
Speaker 1: still Someone extracts Jack immediately. He's not built for Ever
Speaker 1: since someone said he didn't know how to pose with
Speaker 1: his hands in a photograph, he's really been grappling with
Speaker 1: that and he's like, what if I had guns in
Speaker 1: my hands and would so? Uh, you know, thoughts in
Speaker 1: prayers to him, But he'll come back with a great
Speaker 1: assessment of that. So yeah, just you know, just everybody
Speaker 1: out there, you don't need to pay twelve thousand dollars
Speaker 1: to to find out your you got a lot of
Speaker 1: Just therapy is cheaper twelve thousand dollars. With the therapy ship,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be good at really tell you will be
Speaker 1: able to look somebody in the eye during a conversation
Speaker 1: and it won't be because someone hits you with a
Speaker 1: two by four on your back while push up God
Speaker 1: buried alive brow. When is there any part of this
Speaker 1: experience that appeals to you in any way, shape or form. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that sounds very vermont Man to me. Well, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: there's other options besides bitch or beast, Like something is
Speaker 1: there like a middle. But I'm also thinking about this,
Speaker 1: Like I just saw this video on Twitter, of course,
Speaker 1: of these dudes jousting each other on like you know,
Speaker 1: they had like real lances, but on bicycles, and you know,
Speaker 1: the lances had like a you know, almost like a
Speaker 1: boxing glove thing on the end, so they wouldn't actually
Speaker 1: like kill each other, but like charging each other on
Speaker 1: bicycle and jousting. And I'm wondering if this is part
Speaker 1: of being a modern night or if this is totally separate.
Speaker 1: It sounds like it would go right into the curriculum,
Speaker 1: no problem. Yeah, If anything, those guys jousting at least there,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's like hardcore LARPing, you know, like
Speaker 1: at least you're like you're doing the fucking thing and
Speaker 1: you a nerf sword. It would be very bendy. Nobody's
Speaker 1: getting hurt at a proper LARPing session. My dad, like
Speaker 1: in the nineties in New York, his friend used to
Speaker 1: do these like weird like fight club things in New
Speaker 1: York where people would make their own armor with like
Speaker 1: parking cones and ship and they just fucking get down
Speaker 1: in parks like Washington Square Park. Yeah, and like a
Speaker 1: man is more foreign to me. I don't understand this all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's just this like weird, bizarre
Speaker 1: trying to capture what they believe is quote unquote like masculinity.
Speaker 1: And I think for a lot of like men, they
Speaker 1: like maybe like hold their grandfathers in high regard to
Speaker 1: and are like, yeah, that guy who was in a
Speaker 1: war who didn't cry, but also like gave my dad
Speaker 1: a lot of weird issues because the way he raised him,
Speaker 1: that had an entire family across state lines and never
Speaker 1: communicated with his children. Great examples. Yeah, he was not
Speaker 1: in the field working every day, he was exhausted. He
Speaker 1: broke his body and there was no one able to
Speaker 1: fix it. Like, you don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be no bussy. I want to
Speaker 1: be a beast with his creepy Candelabra and teapot that
Speaker 1: talked to me, or that's Beauty and the Beast I forget. Anyway, Rown,
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you. I want to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about food because that is your like area of
Speaker 1: expertise and your new podcast about chocolate, because you know,
Speaker 1: right now we have Thanksgiving upon us. I have many questions, like,
Speaker 1: first off, is there a perfect Thanksgiving food? Before we
Speaker 1: get into the podcast, just want to kick that off
Speaker 1: from there. Is there a perfect Thanksgiving food? In your opinion?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw throw the sort
Speaker 1: of one actually from left field. I actually think the
Speaker 1: the thing that should start off everything's giving meal is oysters.
Speaker 1: Oh go on, are you guys? Os? Yeah? Okay some
Speaker 1: people sugar oysters are a deal breaker of some people,
Speaker 1: but you're on? Yeah, do you like? I'm I like
Speaker 1: the little slime. I love the brine too. When it's Brian,
Speaker 1: it's my favorite. Exactly exactly. Actually, a box oysters just
Speaker 1: arrived in my house like an hour ago for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1: That Thanksgivings when they're at their best. Oh really yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Then people don't realize this, but oysters have a whole
Speaker 1: like seasonal thing because their lifestyle. So when the water
Speaker 1: gets cold, they start to get they kind of go
Speaker 1: into hibernation winter, just like little tiny bears. So and
Speaker 1: just like little tiny bears, they plump themselves up to
Speaker 1: survive that hibernation period. So when the things get cold
Speaker 1: in the fall, they start eating like crazy and and
Speaker 1: fattening themselves up. So around like Thanksgiving through New Year's
Speaker 1: they are at their like peak of deliciousness. I had
Speaker 1: no idea, Yeah, I had nold Wait, so why start
Speaker 1: off with oysters? I mean, like I don't I'm not like,
Speaker 1: is there some experiential science to that or why why
Speaker 1: do you why do you say that is the perfect opener? Well,
Speaker 1: they don't really fill you up in any way, you know,
Speaker 1: like there's they're kind of like living salt water in
Speaker 1: a sense. So it's just like you got a quick
Speaker 1: hit of of salty oceany deliciousness and then they're gone.
Speaker 1: And so you're not like you're not ruining the courses
Speaker 1: to come right Oh man, now, I'm of course you
Speaker 1: don't drink anything with your mute, so they're really salty,
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you kind of have to have
Speaker 1: I mean I'll have something after but I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, first drink the liquor out of the
Speaker 1: loud of the shell, then have then eat the oyster. Meya,
Speaker 1: I'll have something after all. You gotta have the liquid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and would you what about us their perfect Thanksgiving food? Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm stealing my answer from Sumine no strat. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that cranberries because they're the only on the table and
Speaker 1: they cut through everything. As absolutely said, like, if you
Speaker 1: don't have cranberry sauce, it's not Thanksgiving to me. And
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a jelly can girl. Yeah, I like
Speaker 1: it real basic. My dad likes it because you can
Speaker 1: slice along the ridges, so it's like perfect portions of it.
Speaker 1: I love cranberry sauce. I was just saying yesterday I
Speaker 1: can't do cranberry sauce. I just why why? I just
Speaker 1: don't there. I have a My palette is not oh
Speaker 1: it's not a tuned for that burst of cranberry on
Speaker 1: my Thanksgiving plate. I just I know why it's there.
Speaker 1: But I just prefer I don't indulge. I like to
Speaker 1: keep it pretty straightforward. Have you have you tried all
Speaker 1: the version there's so many versions. Try the time about
Speaker 1: composed we're talking about Yeah, I've tried. Look, I always try.
Speaker 1: It's like candy corn. I'm like, yeah, this year is
Speaker 1: the year. And then no, I don't want this keep
Speaker 1: you talking about cranberries and candy corn in the same sentence.
Speaker 1: This is blasphemy. I'm just saying, it's like a thing
Speaker 1: that I always feel like this will be the year
Speaker 1: that I open up to. And then I realized I
Speaker 1: just need to accept that it might not be from Okay,
Speaker 1: you know that's it, that's your truth. It's wrong, but
Speaker 1: I understand it. Okay, what about favorite dessert for Thanksgiving?
Speaker 1: Go joel? Okay, probably chocolate peacampie? Is I feel for me?
Speaker 1: I don't like a pumpkin pie. I need my gourds
Speaker 1: cooked in breads or roasted like fire roasted where they're
Speaker 1: like almost caramelized. But a chocolate peacampie, especially if you
Speaker 1: can get one from like a South Carolina Georgia Texas area,
Speaker 1: forget sensational. Actually Connecticut has really good one too. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought up I'm glad you brought up chocolate
Speaker 1: because Roman obsessions wild chocolate is your podcast and there's
Speaker 1: chocolate is something I love to eat and every time
Speaker 1: I see it like harvested, I'm like, that's fucking chocolate.
Speaker 1: How that? How that turned a chocolate? Can you tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about like your your podcasting, like
Speaker 1: you know, just it give us us a little bit
Speaker 1: of an education, like you did on red wine and oysters.
Speaker 1: So you're right, like yeah, Like so chocolate is made
Speaker 1: from the seeds of this tree that grows in in
Speaker 1: the tropics called a cacouchary, and you open up these
Speaker 1: pods and it's just it looks like this white, slimy,
Speaker 1: maggoty pulp and you're like, that's definitely not chocolate. So
Speaker 1: it has to go through this whole process where they
Speaker 1: they scoop out the pulp and seeds and fermented. It
Speaker 1: has to be fermented, Yeah, it's it has to be
Speaker 1: fermented or it never tastes like chocolate. So and that's part.
Speaker 1: That's part that sometimes gets skipped in like crappy chocolate.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so they do that and then you dry
Speaker 1: it and then you have to roast it and then
Speaker 1: it starts to look almost like almonds, like these brown beans,
Speaker 1: and then those ground and mixed with sugar to make chocolate. Man. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I had no idea how to be fermented note
Speaker 1: to sell, Yeah, so I'll never be able to. And
Speaker 1: it smells almost like like chocolate wine when it's fermenting,
Speaker 1: Like you walk through an area where it's all being
Speaker 1: heaped up and fermented, and it's like it feels alcoholic almost. Okay,
Speaker 1: I like that, Like what you know, what is it
Speaker 1: about chocolate that makes it? It's like one of these
Speaker 1: like coveted things throughout history, you know, and and even
Speaker 1: now like we like it's it's one of Joel's favorite deserves,
Speaker 1: like certainly my favorite kind of ice cream. And if
Speaker 1: anything has cholcoln like yes, that like oysters. I guess
Speaker 1: people say it's an aphrodisiac, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's what the science is behind that. But what what
Speaker 1: is it? Like, you know, like why is it? Why
Speaker 1: does it? Like why is it so? What is it?
Speaker 1: Why is it so powerful in your estimation? Like in
Speaker 1: looking at how so many people like fight over it
Speaker 1: and it's like this just gigantic industry. And that's one
Speaker 1: thing that we keep trying to explore in the podcast
Speaker 1: is what why why do people go crazy for the stuff?
Speaker 1: Why do they go to such great length for it?
Speaker 1: And part of it is it's actually a pretty good
Speaker 1: recreational substance. It's got a bunch of different psychoactive compounds
Speaker 1: in it, so they're not like they're not gonna hit
Speaker 1: you over the head like like ayahuasca or anything. But
Speaker 1: it's got a lot of compounds in it and make
Speaker 1: it feel good, you know, like that get the dopamine going.
Speaker 1: So and that's why, you know, the Maya and the Aztec,
Speaker 1: it was chocolate was like the heart of their rituals,
Speaker 1: like all their ceremonies they would be They always did
Speaker 1: it as a drink, like basically like a hot chocolate,
Speaker 1: really thick chocolate, and that was like their thing that
Speaker 1: they worshiped with because it made you feel really good.
Speaker 1: So it's got it's got some cannabinoids in it, it's
Speaker 1: got some things that sort of get your heart going
Speaker 1: a little bit, but then it's got other stuff that
Speaker 1: just you know, science wise, no one really knows why,
Speaker 1: but it you come away feeling like about the universe. No,
Speaker 1: I'm sure anybody who likes chocolate can think of a
Speaker 1: time they've they had a chocolate that they tried for
Speaker 1: the first time that was so good and like, like
Speaker 1: you give a wave fucking washes over you. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm being hyperbolic, but sometimes I have that
Speaker 1: sensation something really rich like chocolate. I'm like, I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm going the hyper space on the Millennium Falcon
Speaker 1: ship like lines, and I'm like, oh, me too. In fact,
Speaker 1: I can't do it late at night or like I'm
Speaker 1: in hyper space and it's not sleeping, you know. Oh,
Speaker 1: Luckily I don't have that issue. I could I could eat,
Speaker 1: I could eat, I can drink espresso in bad and
Speaker 1: I'll be fine. But it's just not a good idea
Speaker 1: to just each other anyway. My wife doesn't like that.
Speaker 1: But what are you when I saw your face going
Speaker 1: in all kinds of places when you're talking about all
Speaker 1: the psychoactive chemicals, Because I believe it. I believe it.
Speaker 1: Like my mom growing up, she loved like a dove chocolate,
Speaker 1: so she will like have the in the kitchen little
Speaker 1: things and then they were like perfect, little bite sized
Speaker 1: like pick me up. You know. I think every major
Speaker 1: celebration in my life has had some form of chocolate. Nearby,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it's like a birthday cake or you know,
Speaker 1: and I scream after like an epic face. Elf, it's
Speaker 1: always it's like a I don't know, I think chocolate,
Speaker 1: especially as an American, I'm not sure like globally what
Speaker 1: it's like, but as an American, there's always some chocolate
Speaker 1: nearby if you need to pick me up, or if
Speaker 1: you need to celebrate, or if you need a random
Speaker 1: gift to hand off this you're seeing somebody randomly, like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's available to us at all times in
Speaker 1: every ways, and I'm grateful for it, right and not
Speaker 1: even like to your point where and it feels like
Speaker 1: that's like it's weird that even a box of chocolate,
Speaker 1: like people like thank you for this gift, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Because any other like sweet like quote
Speaker 1: unquote candy, someone might be a little bit like, oh
Speaker 1: this doesn't quite rise to the occasion. But chocolate, like
Speaker 1: we still like we hold it like that's still sacredance
Speaker 1: on some level, especially if you get like one of
Speaker 1: the fancy boxes. Not to be this person. I'm a
Speaker 1: name of a little bit, so I Dashanelle when we
Speaker 1: wanted her podcast STOs chocolates and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's kind of cute. But then I had them and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is all level cho Yeah
Speaker 1: you're three of these a year. Wow. That totally with
Speaker 1: like the really good stuff. Yeah, the next level stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like you get more of that hit like slightly
Speaker 1: drug like hit, but it's not too much drug, Like
Speaker 1: that's what that's what's so good about it, you know,
Speaker 1: like little chocolate mid morning and it's it's just wait, okay,
Speaker 1: so explain this because there's levels to everything, and like, rowing,
Speaker 1: I know you just said, oh, yeah, the good stuff,
Speaker 1: what are it like, I know, like your latest episode
Speaker 1: is talking about like like big chocolate you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: like and yeah that way, those are the bad guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So first off, what's the difference between like a regular
Speaker 1: chocolate that we're like, oh, that's good and one that
Speaker 1: like you're like, this is the this like what are
Speaker 1: the absolute heights of chocolate dumb that I'm not aware
Speaker 1: of or like I'm want to be aware of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it kind of goes back to that, partly to
Speaker 1: that fermentation thing. So chocolate it's a huge industry. It's
Speaker 1: like a like multi bill hundred billion dollar industry, five
Speaker 1: million tons of cacao growing every year, mostly in Africa,
Speaker 1: and there's some real issues with forced labor. They're like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of child labor involved. And the chocolate
Speaker 1: companies have had for like twenty years people that after
Speaker 1: them saying, y'all gotta figure this out, you know, and
Speaker 1: the prices they pay are really low, and that's why
Speaker 1: there ends up being this like child labor because the
Speaker 1: farmers in Africa end up have using children because they're
Speaker 1: being paid so little for their cacao, and they also
Speaker 1: aren't paid enough to like treat to to like do
Speaker 1: all these quality stuffs that they need to do. But
Speaker 1: the chocolate companies, the big chocolate companies, they haven't really
Speaker 1: gotten out of their way to try to fix that
Speaker 1: because they want to keep the prices low. Would be
Speaker 1: that they don't. They don't say that, but it's pretty clear.
Speaker 1: But then so chocolate originated in the Amazon, in the
Speaker 1: America's and there's still like these old varieties there that
Speaker 1: have amazing flavor, usually just grown in these like tiny
Speaker 1: farms in Latin America that have kind of been for
Speaker 1: ott and about by the industry and that and they
Speaker 1: are often going to all these steps to ferment it
Speaker 1: really well, to draw out those amazing flavors and those
Speaker 1: drug like effects more expensive. But and they're also not
Speaker 1: using flave labor. Right, So the there's a shift now
Speaker 1: there's are like people are really pushing to like try
Speaker 1: to embrace these these more equitable, more sustainable forms of
Speaker 1: chocolate production coming from the America's and also to have
Speaker 1: that happen more in West Africa as well. Right, So
Speaker 1: that's the difference. It's it's like it's funny every industry.
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, and the conditions are so
Speaker 1: bad for the workers because the cost cutting measures and
Speaker 1: like and exactly what it is in chocolate if if
Speaker 1: the like if you know farmers in like West Africa,
Speaker 1: we're paying workers in equitable wage, how much do you
Speaker 1: think chocolate would actually cost? Like what kind of like
Speaker 1: what's the cost thing the savings that the like big
Speaker 1: childhood companies are so like being like, oh man, it's
Speaker 1: a difference between a five dollar and fucking sixty thing
Speaker 1: or like what it's not it's the difference between like
Speaker 1: a two dollar Hershey bar and a three dollar Hershey bar.
Speaker 1: And yeah, like so the governments and like Ivy Coast
Speaker 1: and Ganta have like they just put a premium on
Speaker 1: their their chocolate right to cow. They're like, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna charge you an extra four hundred bucks a
Speaker 1: ton so that all the farmers can have a live
Speaker 1: mobile wage. And Hershey immediately like went around that and
Speaker 1: bought like I forget thirty thousand tons of cacao on
Speaker 1: the futures market at a lower price to get around
Speaker 1: having to pay that like void premium. So the big,
Speaker 1: the big guys have been avoid trying to avoid higher
Speaker 1: prices at all costs, and they won't be able to
Speaker 1: for long. But yeah, it's not that much different. It's
Speaker 1: like everything would be a little more expensive. That's that's
Speaker 1: so wild and hers huh, I mean it's like it's again,
Speaker 1: it's one of these things to you always see about,
Speaker 1: like fair trade. There's like every year there's a new
Speaker 1: fair trade thing, you know, because like our consciousness is
Speaker 1: now realizing. Oh yeah, like we gotta look at our
Speaker 1: coffee like harvesting practices and you look at this harvesting
Speaker 1: practice and now with chocolate is it like so it
Speaker 1: is a burgeoning movement like it can where because I
Speaker 1: want to be able to now say I want this
Speaker 1: kind of chocolate because my main rone just put me
Speaker 1: on what is like? What's what's what's like the Rolls
Speaker 1: Royce of chocolates that we can put some of our
Speaker 1: listeners onto for who those who participate in the chocolate
Speaker 1: indulging experience. All right, So the real Rolls Royce for
Speaker 1: me right now is a woman I focused on the
Speaker 1: podcast named Louisa Abraham. She's a Brazilian woman. She came
Speaker 1: out of she quit culinary school like ten years ago
Speaker 1: when she was in her mid twenties and decided she
Speaker 1: just wanted to make chocolate out of the wild cacao
Speaker 1: growing in the Amazon. So she's been partnering with these
Speaker 1: different different indigenous groups and different parts of the Amazon
Speaker 1: to make a chocolate with each of their cocaos and
Speaker 1: basically to funnel that money back into their commune to Basically,
Speaker 1: it's a way of because chocolate it grows as an
Speaker 1: understory in the rainforest in the Amazon, like it's a
Speaker 1: little tree, so if you harvest the chocolate, you don't
Speaker 1: have to touch the forest, so you can sort of
Speaker 1: keep It's a way of create making money while keeping
Speaker 1: the forest alive, so she's partnering with these different groups
Speaker 1: in the Amazon to do that. And also each one
Speaker 1: of those cocos has a totally different flavor to it, right,
Speaker 1: so you can kind of like taste all these different
Speaker 1: flavors of the of the rainforest through your chocolates. Probably
Speaker 1: fermented to right and beautifully fermented. That's one because and
Speaker 1: I was with her, like you go to these areas
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, you know, you're like sleeping in a
Speaker 1: hammock and trying not to get eaten by a crocodile,
Speaker 1: and you're teaching these workshops about how to ferment the
Speaker 1: beans to make really good chocolate. Yeah. Wow, okay, we'll
Speaker 1: see now I can now I'm armed with some some
Speaker 1: good conversation for things. Can you drop the name again
Speaker 1: for listen? A B R A M. And she has
Speaker 1: an awesome Instagram account, so where with amazing images of
Speaker 1: what she's doing. That's a good place for everyone to start. Okay, fantastic. Always,
Speaker 1: like I'll see, I always like to meet people who've
Speaker 1: got like a level of expertise on something like something
Speaker 1: like this, because it's been very eye opening. Rollan, thanks
Speaker 1: so much for that and thanks again for stopping by
Speaker 1: the Daily Zeitgeist. Rowan, where can people find you and
Speaker 1: follow you? And and the podcast? Where can they find that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So me, I'm Rowan Jacobson dot com. And you can
Speaker 1: actually find the podcast you there. But the podcast is
Speaker 1: Obsessions Wild Chocolate and it's on my heart. That is
Speaker 1: the easiest place to find it. But it's on all
Speaker 1: the other platforms too. Fantastic fantastic. Uh And is there
Speaker 1: a tweet or any other work of social media that
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying or anything like that you want to
Speaker 1: shout out the cultural tutor on Twitter. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you ever seen I don't know who this person is,
Speaker 1: but it's like awesome little tweet threads of out some
Speaker 1: random piece of culture that you've never heard of, and
Speaker 1: you always walk away like, wow, I knew nothing about
Speaker 1: that and I learned something today. Oh wow, Oh yeah
Speaker 1: this a colics? You're right, okay, little little lessons I
Speaker 1: like that if you. Yeah, like like the inside of
Speaker 1: a history teacher's mind, and it's like, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: I could tweet something every day. Here's another nugget the
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Speaker 1: I like this guy's class. Yeah, like my history teacher,
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Speaker 1: guys when you graduate, but if if it was made
Speaker 1: legal in California, I would do it with you. It's
Speaker 1: just a matter of legality. Shout out to him. He
Speaker 1: just seems like he might be that guy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't doubt it. I would not doubt it. Joel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me today. Where can
Speaker 1: people find you? Follow you and support you and listen
Speaker 1: to you. And what's a tweet that you like? Yeah? Uh,
Speaker 1: y'all know and can find me all over the internet
Speaker 1: at Joel when he gets j O E L L
Speaker 1: E M O N I Q you E. I have
Speaker 1: access to all of these social media's, but predominantly I'm
Speaker 1: at Instagram and over on the Hive. Now it's some
Speaker 1: Hive things I've been enjoying. This is from Vita Ayala,
Speaker 1: really talented writer. They say if Twitter was work, I'm
Speaker 1: hoping Hive will be like a lobby at the bar
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