Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to sixty six,
Speaker 1: episode one of Dirt Day production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's share consciousness. And it is Monday, December five.
Speaker 1: Nailed it the second time? What does it mean? What
Speaker 1: does it all mean? World Soil Day? Uh? International Ninja Day?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very very good for all my Japanese people
Speaker 1: out there who we love that reference to our cultures.
Speaker 1: Internet Ninja day, y'all. But I think also Japan is
Speaker 1: playing in the World Cup somehow playing well. Yeah, the group,
Speaker 1: I don't know how the funk that happened, but good
Speaker 1: on them. But yeah, when you watched that one, did
Speaker 1: you know I was breaking? I told you I was
Speaker 1: on a panel during the second half, so all I
Speaker 1: the only thing I knew about what was happening was
Speaker 1: my phone blowing up from people's texting Japan. It's also
Speaker 1: bathtub party Day? Uh huh? What does that think that's
Speaker 1: just about? Is that like the ordinary shower and linger
Speaker 1: in the tub instead, a bathtub party suggests multiple people
Speaker 1: taking up again together. It says sounds like it's suspiciously
Speaker 1: a crowded affair, but it doesn't have to be granted.
Speaker 1: If you have young children, it's a timesaver to plunk
Speaker 1: two or three of them in the tub at once. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get the whole neighborhood in there. Save everybody sometime to
Speaker 1: be an efficient neighborhood. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien,
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Speaker 1: that and it was they call you missed a personality
Speaker 1: because you so ugly. Those tracks were fucking yeah. If
Speaker 1: someone compliments your personality, that means you're ugly. Sorry, but
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Speaker 1: been fair. That's awesome. That's awesome. Thank you Bell. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about it. It's important to me. I
Speaker 1: just glad you excited about any things that came back
Speaker 1: on the menu this year. You know, I was never
Speaker 1: a Mexican pizza guy, and I was not. I'm a
Speaker 1: chicken case truther and it came back and then like
Speaker 1: it's it's like the only thing that gave me like
Speaker 1: a little bit of a stomachache. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I just like I know where I align in the
Speaker 1: Taco Bell discourse, Like I'm a chicken case a guy.
Speaker 1: For for through and through, I asked them to keep
Speaker 1: the leave the chicken casit on for a little longer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: could you keep that on for ten extra seconds for me? Smart? No?
Speaker 1: Yeah you say that, Yeah, I do. I love that.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with what? No? Because you always talk about
Speaker 1: how you're like the last guy to like send of
Speaker 1: like a meal back, Like I don't take it and
Speaker 1: then say, hey, I know that, but I don't know
Speaker 1: like you do custom ship to like even at Taco Bell,
Speaker 1: Like it's the those seconds I feel like they're sometimes
Speaker 1: they're just like yeah, sure, and I know they don't
Speaker 1: do it because it comes out floppy, But sometimes they
Speaker 1: appreciate that they're dealing with somebody who loves what they
Speaker 1: do for a living and knows that they can add
Speaker 1: joy to my life by you know, just give me
Speaker 1: a little a little extra. Yeah. Do you ever go
Speaker 1: to a fast food place and the food comes out
Speaker 1: like hot and perfect and like it's not a mess
Speaker 1: back there, and you know there's just one employee who's
Speaker 1: just like willing it into existence. Yeah. For for me,
Speaker 1: that's there's an Atlantic City comedy club. It's like this
Speaker 1: theater and it's owned by the people who run New
Speaker 1: York Comedy Club. So we all go out there. It's
Speaker 1: not you don't make a lot of money, but you
Speaker 1: get to play a theater. And the next day there's
Speaker 1: this McDonald's or this Taco Bell that just like the
Speaker 1: food is pristine, like you would not need to tell
Speaker 1: them extra ten seconds on that case, and you can
Speaker 1: get it in two seconds and you can without having
Speaker 1: to tell them how to fucking assemble it from existing
Speaker 1: menu items, like it's a bygone item. Okay, I'm sure
Speaker 1: they're off menu is Bunnets. That's the Deep Dive magazine article.
Speaker 1: I want somebody to do is like best taco bell
Speaker 1: in America, just like the they nail every piece of food.
Speaker 1: And there's somebody who's back there who's just a taco bell,
Speaker 1: you know, case artist. It's just who deserves a living way. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that I think we would cut that out because
Speaker 1: this Deep Dive articles appearing in the New York Times
Speaker 1: so exactly that version that would be like and this person,
Speaker 1: like the sense of pride they have when they clock
Speaker 1: in for their shift every day is truly inspiring, despite
Speaker 1: them going back to an apartment with many family members
Speaker 1: that are depending on them. It's like, what about the Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: just big up the case to be a part. But
Speaker 1: I do like I do like a pristine's It is
Speaker 1: like a moment when you eat something like it's like
Speaker 1: what the commercial meet me feel like, Yeah, because most
Speaker 1: of the time it's a mess. You we've all been
Speaker 1: to McDonald's two in the morning and it just takes
Speaker 1: forever and like I'm not even mad at them, Like
Speaker 1: for me, that's the standard. But then when it's amazing,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh damn, a Mick Chicken is like transcendental.
Speaker 1: This one just came out the fryer thing. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sometimes at two in the morning and McDonald's, my custom
Speaker 1: order is just just dumped the bag in my lap.
Speaker 1: Whatever you got, you want a bag, No, just just
Speaker 1: throw the window, you keep the bag. Okay, alright, Gate,
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to know you a little bit better
Speaker 1: in a moment. First, we're gonna tell our listeners a
Speaker 1: couple of the things we're talking about today. We're talking
Speaker 1: about the protests happening in China and how they started,
Speaker 1: what they mean. We're going to talk about just like
Speaker 1: kind of the mainstream media's perception of the Trump era
Speaker 1: as I'm going to use this new George Saunders book
Speaker 1: and George Saunders just the writer, George Saunders as a
Speaker 1: as a lens to examine you know what they're like.
Speaker 1: America is good. It's just going through a rough patch
Speaker 1: because this this dang maniac came through and got everybody
Speaker 1: riled up. But we'll go back to being a good
Speaker 1: guy soon. So I'm gonna talk about that and why
Speaker 1: why that's frustrating. We're gonna talk about Lindsay Lohan's Pepsi
Speaker 1: milk commercial. Yeah, Lindsay Lohans. This is this stories really
Speaker 1: super interesting actually because it first of all, it started
Speaker 1: with a Utah like Churchill Latter Day Saints trend where
Speaker 1: you know, they don't get to funk with alcohol or
Speaker 1: any any of that stuff, so they like get really
Speaker 1: in depth and thoughtful about their soda drinks. And there's
Speaker 1: like competing soda bars, and one of them started doing
Speaker 1: what they call dirty sodas, which is just like pouring
Speaker 1: milk in sodas and sounds really gross to man. I
Speaker 1: haven't tried it, but people are working with it enough
Speaker 1: that Pepsi has come up off their decades long marketing
Speaker 1: tactic of just being like, hey, do you like popular music,
Speaker 1: then you'll like Pepsi like spice Girls, and and they've
Speaker 1: they're they're trying something that actually has to do with
Speaker 1: their products. So that's exciting. Oh, I thought it was
Speaker 1: like some more like outrage marketing. We're introducing pilk and
Speaker 1: probably but I don't probably get some of that it
Speaker 1: sounds disgusting the origin. Yeah dirty, I mean that those
Speaker 1: were going viral for the past couple of years, like
Speaker 1: people just fucking working with milk and burials sodas. Yeah, anyways,
Speaker 1: we'll get here. Dirty sprite, I think of somebody completely different,
Speaker 1: but that's in Utah. They have a different kind of
Speaker 1: dirty spread and in Houston a completely other dirty sprite. Okay,
Speaker 1: shout out, yeah, much better. Try try the Utah version
Speaker 1: first before you go to the Houston version. Sipping lean okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: but before we get to any of that ship Gabe,
Speaker 1: we like to ask our guest, what is something from
Speaker 1: your search history? Oh? Man, So this is a little
Speaker 1: bit embarrassing, but I had never seen until this week planes,
Speaker 1: trains and Automobiles, And I finally watched it, and John
Speaker 1: Candy man just like blew me away, and like I
Speaker 1: knew him from stuff and I liked him in a
Speaker 1: little cameo on Home Alone, Cool Runnings. But the last
Speaker 1: thing I googled was a deep dive. Just like I
Speaker 1: need to learn everything about John Candy, give me all
Speaker 1: the candy. Yeah, man, he's just like he's a great
Speaker 1: out to work on and said he had all these problems.
Speaker 1: He showed up with like weights and like workout gear
Speaker 1: to the set of planes, trains at automobiles, and then
Speaker 1: Steve Martin was like and he never touched it. Like
Speaker 1: this poor guy, Like he's so talented and so fraught
Speaker 1: and I think we like we give, like Farley gets
Speaker 1: so much props and he should and you know some
Speaker 1: of those performers, but like Candy gets like a little
Speaker 1: missed because like he was forty four, Like he wasn't
Speaker 1: that old. I guess Farley wasn't either, but yeah, my god,
Speaker 1: the deep every search was just like more John Candy things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: uncle buck is he is a real good Candy showcase
Speaker 1: carrying that thing? Yeah yeah yeah. What was the thing
Speaker 1: about him in uh like Home Alone, Like he did
Speaker 1: that for free? Yeah, like it was a favor. He
Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, I could come by and like
Speaker 1: do it. And he was like they're for like like
Speaker 1: a few days, straight hours. They used him straight hours
Speaker 1: and they finally let him go. Wow, he got paid
Speaker 1: less than like the pizza guy who like like in
Speaker 1: the movie, Well that guy was doing work. I mean
Speaker 1: he had to act like he was being shot at.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Yeah, what is something you think
Speaker 1: is overrated? We're gonna go more food today. I had
Speaker 1: it the other day and it just it just did
Speaker 1: not hit which is Chipotle. Man, just it was just
Speaker 1: a sour cream ball with lettuce, and I was like
Speaker 1: this used to mean something to me. Hold on what
Speaker 1: it was sour cream? You just have sour cream and
Speaker 1: a bowl with no no, no, They just like that's
Speaker 1: like where the heavy hand was. Like, you know, I
Speaker 1: just had my standards sour. It was my standard order
Speaker 1: of cream ball with lettuce, and it just wasn't game. Stinks.
Speaker 1: Other people was living like a monster. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think it's like it had its hey day, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, at least I remember when I was eating
Speaker 1: heavy it was like eleven. Yeah, like heavy, like you
Speaker 1: couldn't get you had to fucking like like pull me
Speaker 1: out of there because I was just about that life.
Speaker 1: And then I think over time you just kind of
Speaker 1: like this isn't actually the best Mexican food you can eat,
Speaker 1: so it more just becomes like I think because they
Speaker 1: had a burrito bowl was like the first thing that
Speaker 1: like inspired me to go. And then after a while,
Speaker 1: like you know what, I like barritos enough that I'll
Speaker 1: have a real one. Yeah, every local Mexican place is
Speaker 1: cheaper and better. Right, basically, nont matter where you are,
Speaker 1: like even on Long Island, Like my friends were like
Speaker 1: hang on with my bros a lot, and like we're
Speaker 1: not no one's ever like, yeah, tonight's the Chipotle at night?
Speaker 1: Just right, Yeah it was for a while. It had
Speaker 1: a run, and I do feel like I want to
Speaker 1: say on behalf of Chipotle. I like their chips. I
Speaker 1: like their chips with the you know, so sometimes I
Speaker 1: have a little extra salta sometimes I'll splurge for the guac.
Speaker 1: But I do like their chips are inconsistent even within
Speaker 1: the bag. But there's like always one chip that's like
Speaker 1: gets gets the lime juice and the salt and really
Speaker 1: hits hard. So I don't know. I I still kind
Speaker 1: of like Chipotle, but I also haven't had it for
Speaker 1: like a year and a half, so maybe maybe they've
Speaker 1: fallen off. I will say like they I have gone
Speaker 1: to Chipotle and been very disappointed with what with the results.
Speaker 1: So there there's a lot of variability. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 1: don't like again, I don't hate Chipotle. I'm just it's
Speaker 1: low on my list if I'm looking at things I
Speaker 1: want to eat, and I think, like, because Jack, when
Speaker 1: we were when we had that like studio in Hollywood, stab, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just don't get it, baby, But I remember that
Speaker 1: was the time, like I would only eat Chipotle was
Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, sh it already maxed out on
Speaker 1: everything around here, like and we'd be like, I guess
Speaker 1: we'll go to Chipotle. Yeah. But yeah, I have noticed
Speaker 1: that they boxed up the stuff from your desk finally
Speaker 1: two years after we left for the pandemic and sent
Speaker 1: at home to you and ever since thing you've been
Speaker 1: talking about the the studio in the past tense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just here to say it's still there. I mean
Speaker 1: I've even opened the box. It's like it's like Schrodinger's
Speaker 1: like lost stuff box, Like I don't want it to
Speaker 1: be real. I'm I opened a box full of like
Speaker 1: old work stuff from like an old job, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, just reminded me how much I hated
Speaker 1: my I love I love stumbling upon old pack your
Speaker 1: desk boxes that you have, like the one I found
Speaker 1: from when I worked at Playboy, Like I threw away
Speaker 1: because it gave me a panic attack. Yeah, like all
Speaker 1: the to do lists and ship that I used to
Speaker 1: like tape to the side of my fucking computer just
Speaker 1: like came flying out like they were the Spirits and
Speaker 1: Ghostbusters when like that ship when the spirit trapped gets opened, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was bad news gave. What's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot because I've been
Speaker 1: trying to like give myself a nice routine in life.
Speaker 1: And if I'm thriving, if I'm like firing at all cylinders.
Speaker 1: I'm eating fruit every day and I'm talking about fruit
Speaker 1: enough fresh fruit. Give me some fruit, man, all the time,
Speaker 1: fire them off. I'm having bananas, I'm having blueberries today.
Speaker 1: I just had some pineapple and uh oh, I'm crushing it.
Speaker 1: Are here. I don't care all seasons. Who cares? Give
Speaker 1: me more fruit? Feeling good? Yeah? Pineapple peak Pineapple when
Speaker 1: it's like at its most ripe is my favorite fruit.
Speaker 1: I think I don't even can we call that fruit?
Speaker 1: It's so delicious, it's so so sweet. I'm like, there's
Speaker 1: no fucking way that we can call this like a
Speaker 1: healthy thing to eat. Because like I'm starting to see
Speaker 1: like streaks of light in my like line of vision
Speaker 1: from how sweet it is also my favorite like fake flavor,
Speaker 1: like I think they've mostly nailed pineapple in like gum
Speaker 1: and ship like that like that. It's it generally is fruit.
Speaker 1: I guess there's not a lot of like pineapple candy,
Speaker 1: but I do. Yeah, I do tend to enjoy a
Speaker 1: lot of pineapp gum and pineapple flavored things. Blueberries year round.
Speaker 1: They're they're never that bad. I agree. We've been talking
Speaker 1: a lot about apples on this podcast, but I think
Speaker 1: I think we should spend some time on bananas. Bananas
Speaker 1: are fucking delicious, and don't like them. You don't like bananas,
Speaker 1: I've we've talked about to make my throat. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, you have it might be allergic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's right. Justin's allergic too. Yeah, but I eat.
Speaker 1: But I have the same thing with avocados. It's like
Speaker 1: those high potassium foods they like trigger little things in
Speaker 1: my throat or like my lip. But avocados I fucking fight.
Speaker 1: Oh my, I don't give a fuck. Those of us
Speaker 1: who can enjoy them. Bananas are a real blessing, real. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They made me think of tiger woods because it's like
Speaker 1: a thing he'll eat right before he like wins a
Speaker 1: golf tournament. What's he doing, He's like walking to the
Speaker 1: last hole. He's just like pounding a banana. Like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess that's what you're supposed to eat. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: bring up my kids anytime we need to like give
Speaker 1: them a snack. It's like the easiest thing. Like it's
Speaker 1: it's so good. They're a fruit that is creamy, Like
Speaker 1: there's not are there other fruits that are creamy? But
Speaker 1: like if you're like doing a doing a smoothie, like,
Speaker 1: they's such a good base that adds. It's like, would
Speaker 1: you put like ice cream in this? No, just banana?
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I guess guava is a good creamy replacement,
Speaker 1: according to a super producer just m. But and I
Speaker 1: heard people like the organic people, the people who like
Speaker 1: like are worried about their food, which we just talked
Speaker 1: a lot about Taco bell I can't imagine that's any
Speaker 1: of us. But like the skin is super thick, so
Speaker 1: like it's not one of those food like when you
Speaker 1: need an apple, like the skin has just been like
Speaker 1: rolling around in the truck for four years. But like
Speaker 1: a bananas like protected. So it's it's a pretty safe
Speaker 1: even for like the I mean, I get the organic,
Speaker 1: I spend the twenty cents, but it's like an armadillo,
Speaker 1: it's got a thick skin on it. You know, there's
Speaker 1: nothing getting through there. Yet I am very suspicious of
Speaker 1: the amount of like really glossy apple skins that I've consumed,
Speaker 1: like that look like they were buffed out with like
Speaker 1: car wax. It's like, come on, they shouldn't look that good,
Speaker 1: but every day of the year they look the same.
Speaker 1: It's wrong. They used to be food, used to Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's take a quick break and we'll
Speaker 1: be right back to talk about some of the things
Speaker 1: that are happening elsewhere in the world. And we're back
Speaker 1: and yeah. Zero. So the thing that the way I
Speaker 1: heard it was that China is seeing as largest protests
Speaker 1: since Tiana Mint and it's protests to the zero COVID policies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one part of it, which is one part of it,
Speaker 1: but there's all so another part that's kind of getting written,
Speaker 1: many parts of it. Yeah, I think, I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: the zero COVID has a lot to do with it,
Speaker 1: and that extends into other things like labor specifically at
Speaker 1: like factories that make app like iPhones or Tesla's um.
Speaker 1: But you know, things came to a head, like the
Speaker 1: zero COVID policy has been like a huge, huge, like
Speaker 1: like fucked up experience for the people in China. Like
Speaker 1: if you know anybody who's who lives out there and
Speaker 1: has been like locked down, it's like, what you really
Speaker 1: can't like even leave and like you can't even go outside.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, you can. My spoiled ass thought that
Speaker 1: they were like forcing them to wear masks like that.
Speaker 1: That was myber Like I'm like, well, what would anger
Speaker 1: Americans that much? Maybe masks? They're chaining them inside their
Speaker 1: homes and places of work, right, So things came to
Speaker 1: a head when this fire broke out in an apartment
Speaker 1: building in the capital of the Shinjang province, which is
Speaker 1: where like the mass surveillance and incarceration of Muslim minorities
Speaker 1: like the eagers that's been it's worth taking place there.
Speaker 1: Ten people died as a result of this fire, and
Speaker 1: the fire was particularly horrifying because of these COVID lockdowns.
Speaker 1: The firefighters weren't even able to get their trucks like
Speaker 1: close enough to the buildings because of all the like
Speaker 1: barricades that have been put up to keep people from
Speaker 1: like leaving. And the videos are harrowing because you're seeing
Speaker 1: like fire trucks where the water is barely like touching
Speaker 1: the exterior of this flaming building, and you're hearing people
Speaker 1: like like just like from the fire. Yeah, And it's
Speaker 1: really and I think that kind of I think the
Speaker 1: absurdity of all that just inspired many people to be
Speaker 1: like this is like this is completely terrible. And what
Speaker 1: we see now are these protests that have you know,
Speaker 1: spread across the country where people like spontaneously and you're
Speaker 1: seeing people doing like just holding up blank sheets of
Speaker 1: white paper as a way to demonstrate while like navigating
Speaker 1: like censorship laws and the big parts of it too
Speaker 1: are like it's really there's so many dimensions to it,
Speaker 1: but one dimension is, yes, the lockdowns, and they're not
Speaker 1: like what we have in the U s where you
Speaker 1: can still go out for necessary activity. And even then
Speaker 1: the US like they're the enforcement was like really none.
Speaker 1: It was like about whether or not you gave a
Speaker 1: funk about yourself enough. In China, it's like unlike anything
Speaker 1: else in the world like you're saying, Jack, Like in
Speaker 1: some cases, people's doors are barred shut, the exits to
Speaker 1: buildings are being chained up, so there's no escape. And
Speaker 1: this has led to all kinds of problems, not just
Speaker 1: like I can't get out of my house. It's like
Speaker 1: I need dialysis and I can't get out of my house.
Speaker 1: I need medical care and I can't get out of
Speaker 1: my house. I'm not a you know, white collar tech worker,
Speaker 1: so I can't even work because I can't leave the house.
Speaker 1: And it's like going across different classes, ethnicities, and now
Speaker 1: people are basically out here demonstrating, like you said, in
Speaker 1: ways that you know. Certainly she Jimping has not seen
Speaker 1: this in his ten years leader, but in decades since
Speaker 1: Tandeman and the other part of it. The other part
Speaker 1: of it too, in terms like the factories, is at
Speaker 1: these factories like that makes iPhones and Tesla's, they have
Speaker 1: something called closed loop management, is what happens when there's
Speaker 1: like a COVID exposure and outbreak within like a factory.
Speaker 1: This basically means the workers sleep at the factories and
Speaker 1: do not leave until they deemed the outbreak to be
Speaker 1: under control. Some workers have been sorry what what a
Speaker 1: great like use of like corporate euphemistic like that, like
Speaker 1: corporate euphemism's greatest work is closed loop management. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: a as a term for when human caging exactly it's
Speaker 1: really actually locked the gates, is what it should be called.
Speaker 1: And some workers were stuck at the factory for seventy
Speaker 1: days and so this led to workers breaking down barricades,
Speaker 1: literally running for the exits and clashing with police who
Speaker 1: are like trying to keep them in. And again, most
Speaker 1: of the reporting leaves out this element because again I
Speaker 1: think it's easier just focused on like the draconian policy
Speaker 1: of like zero COVID, but it does ignore how, like
Speaker 1: the other dimensions that are leading people to get out
Speaker 1: in the streets in ways that we certainly haven't seen.
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, the the the other part
Speaker 1: of it is like the people that are starting to
Speaker 1: push back, Like there there's a lot of writing about how,
Speaker 1: especially a lot of like sort of middle class Chinese
Speaker 1: people are beginning to like really understand just the unchecked
Speaker 1: power of the state because this has been going on
Speaker 1: for like three years now and without any sign of things,
Speaker 1: you know, abating, and right now, like the government has
Speaker 1: done things like all right, you know what will ease
Speaker 1: some of the restrictions as a way to kind of
Speaker 1: keep things from boiling over. They've even like sent college
Speaker 1: students home early for their breaks because a lot of
Speaker 1: the demonstrations are happening at universities, so they figure, oh,
Speaker 1: if we send them home for break, they're less likely
Speaker 1: to congregate and begin demonstrating again. So they're trying to
Speaker 1: do these little things to bring the like sort of
Speaker 1: temperature down. But it's clear that a lot of the
Speaker 1: people are now sort of in this space where they're
Speaker 1: absolutely unable to act like they can endure any of
Speaker 1: this anymore. And that's what's and I think for the
Speaker 1: people who are like saying like, oh, this could lead
Speaker 1: to regime change, but let's let's not get ahead of
Speaker 1: ourselves here, Like the China has quite literally been preparing
Speaker 1: for mass demonstrations for decades, and just as a matter
Speaker 1: of like policy, they there there's they know they have
Speaker 1: to allow for a little bit of room for people
Speaker 1: to just blow some steam off in order to try
Speaker 1: and keep like stay stay in control. So it's, uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's something that's really interesting to look at because
Speaker 1: it's just like many other situations we've seen around the
Speaker 1: world where these uprisings come out organically because of people's
Speaker 1: inability to support themselves, the you know, overreach of the government,
Speaker 1: and and then you end up with like this truly
Speaker 1: like you know, far reaching group of people who are
Speaker 1: like advocating for own well being. So yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: a wild situation right there. Yeah, they I mean, the
Speaker 1: the level to which they have like techno dictatorship is
Speaker 1: just like that. My first thought when seeing the pictures
Speaker 1: of the people protesting was just you know, admiration and
Speaker 1: just being like kind of been awe of the bravery
Speaker 1: because that's a place where people just disappear, like you
Speaker 1: just get to jail for you know, saying anything for
Speaker 1: like putting up a picture of Winnie the Pooh because
Speaker 1: she jimping it thinks that Winnie the Pooh looks too
Speaker 1: much like him, Yeah, or people insult him with that image.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like, you know, I mean you look
Speaker 1: at a lot of the other things that like you've seen,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen like footage of like
Speaker 1: mash like drone spring of like chemicals to try and
Speaker 1: like disinfect cities and like there is a lot of
Speaker 1: technological know how going into this stuff. But I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I around and I'm always hartened to see
Speaker 1: even though obviously the circumstances in which people are like
Speaker 1: sort of getting into in touch with like their outrage
Speaker 1: or sense of what is owed to them. You know,
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's we're like in this situation
Speaker 1: where it's not just it's not just limited to one country,
Speaker 1: where the situation is the same for many people. I
Speaker 1: think many people can look at this and say, I'm
Speaker 1: in a situation where I don't think my wages are
Speaker 1: high enough and I feel like my labor is being exploited.
Speaker 1: I also don't agree with like a lot of these
Speaker 1: policies that are you know, supposedly meant to benefit like
Speaker 1: myself or give me rights. In fact, I feel like
Speaker 1: I have less rights, and like watching this evolve in
Speaker 1: certain places just kind of it's in that moment, I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing that it feels like, you know, protests and
Speaker 1: you know, movements around the world have in common as
Speaker 1: like human beings who are like being told by people
Speaker 1: in power or the wealthy people in power. I guess that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not raining when it is raining or
Speaker 1: you know, just like being told like that what you're
Speaker 1: seeing happen. I'm like, what's evident to you is not happening.
Speaker 1: And I do feel like that is increasingly hard, too
Speaker 1: hard to manage when when people have the ability to
Speaker 1: like kind of communicate with one another. But y and
Speaker 1: and then all. I mean, in this case it's to
Speaker 1: control COVID, but just caging human beings and making them
Speaker 1: stay in a in a cage is a bad policy.
Speaker 1: Maybe revisit that one. It reminded me of the World Cup.
Speaker 1: What did you watch, like the stuff about like the
Speaker 1: people who built the World Cup stadiums where it's like
Speaker 1: that type of control over people. I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is a massive labor issue. And then what the Right
Speaker 1: does in America is then they like point, They'll be like,
Speaker 1: oh America is like the rail strike. Who cares about that?
Speaker 1: Like look at the people in China and they like
Speaker 1: bad faith read it and like no, no, you can
Speaker 1: have solidarity for all people depending on what their situation is.
Speaker 1: It's always such a that's like the Right America loves
Speaker 1: to do that. We're like, oh, yeah, Lebron, do you
Speaker 1: care about factory workers? In China. I'm like, do you
Speaker 1: know you're writing this on your iPhone? Yeah? Yeah, that's stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, so infuriating. Yeah. Alright, Well, speaking of
Speaker 1: kind of the mainstream culture in the United States, I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about just something. So there's this new
Speaker 1: George Saunders book. George Saunders wrote Civil War, Land and
Speaker 1: Bad Decline and Tenth of December, and it's like a
Speaker 1: very lauded novelist and fiction writer. I think he won
Speaker 1: the Award for Lincoln in the Bardo, which is I
Speaker 1: was not able to write that because it just opens
Speaker 1: with like all these wrenching passages about like child children dying,
Speaker 1: and I just can't do that ship when I have children,
Speaker 1: So I I couldn't make it through that one. Beautifully written,
Speaker 1: and he's a he's a really good writer. I really
Speaker 1: like Civil War, Land and Bad Decline. And he has
Speaker 1: a new series of short stories coming out. It's his
Speaker 1: first and nine years and it's like listening all these
Speaker 1: interviews and media appearances and being heralded as like a
Speaker 1: big moment in literature for serious people. But it's a
Speaker 1: lot of the stories are grappling with America, like Trumpian America,
Speaker 1: post Trump America, and it just seems to be a
Speaker 1: subject that he's incapable of writing and thinking about in
Speaker 1: a way that's like coherent and interesting. And I think
Speaker 1: it's like the way that he's unable to do it
Speaker 1: kind of solidifier, like crystallized some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: I think we've seen over the past six years with
Speaker 1: the way that the mainstream media and like mainstream culture
Speaker 1: has had a hard time with it. And it kind
Speaker 1: of comes back to this this central idea that he's
Speaker 1: said a bunch of times. Like so he wrote he
Speaker 1: wrote this piece in twenty seventeen for The New York
Speaker 1: Or that was like he went to a couple of
Speaker 1: Trump rallies and like just kind of wrote about what
Speaker 1: he saw there. And I remember being very excited because
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, they got like one of the
Speaker 1: best writers to write about, you know, this phenomenon that
Speaker 1: we're seeing, Like Trump had just been inaugurated and was
Speaker 1: still like doing all these rallies and people were just
Speaker 1: screaming about like wanting to hang the media and you know,
Speaker 1: just being overtly racist, and like his I remember like
Speaker 1: it just being a fucking slug to get through and
Speaker 1: also just like nothing that he said really sticking, and
Speaker 1: it his central thesis seemed to be like this isn't America,
Speaker 1: Like this is like America is a good place, and
Speaker 1: Trump has come in from the outside, and is this
Speaker 1: like foreign adjutant that has like caused people to forget
Speaker 1: who they are. And I think that's also a good
Speaker 1: summary of like kind of what I've seen in the
Speaker 1: mainstream media at least like and that I was, you know,
Speaker 1: and Trump was running for president. I was listening to
Speaker 1: that podcast keeping it six hundred with that ended up.
Speaker 1: It was like the proto Crooked Media podcast. It was
Speaker 1: like the guys from the Obama administration and they were
Speaker 1: talking to political consultants and they were they called people
Speaker 1: who are worried Trump could win Bedwetters and just were like,
Speaker 1: this guys, this is this is a joke. This guy's
Speaker 1: this guy's an idiot. Nobody's going to vote for this idiot.
Speaker 1: And since that time, you know, some of us have
Speaker 1: recognized that there are major problems with America that are
Speaker 1: going completely ignored and unaddressed by the mainstream media, and
Speaker 1: that that's where that anger is coming from, and that's
Speaker 1: why Trump should have been taken seriously, and that's where
Speaker 1: he continues to be effective. Like I feel like this
Speaker 1: is where you see the kind of just everybody keeps
Speaker 1: going back to this idea that like, well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get him with this one statement and and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be over for him, and you know
Speaker 1: that then people will come out of their trance. And
Speaker 1: you know, even even as like fascism has popped up
Speaker 1: from our like most popular rapper at the time Trump
Speaker 1: was elected and from their technocratic ubermanch who was like
Speaker 1: supposed to solve the problems we were facing with climate
Speaker 1: change by being like real world Tony Stark, Like that
Speaker 1: guy's a fascist now and they're still in a world
Speaker 1: where like these are isolated problems that were caused by
Speaker 1: this Trump guy being being a real jerk. And like,
Speaker 1: I keep thinking about Colbert and the fact that like
Speaker 1: he went from during the Bush administration being like our
Speaker 1: greatest satirist to being like a late night talk show
Speaker 1: host whose best joke about Trump was like calling him
Speaker 1: Putin's cock holster or like that was the one that
Speaker 1: like most people were like, yeah, God, is that yeah?
Speaker 1: And with what Yeah, So Jacobin did a good like
Speaker 1: Jacobin reviewed his new series of short stories. I haven't
Speaker 1: read them yet, but just in looking at them, it's
Speaker 1: like it kind of encapsulates I think, what what the
Speaker 1: issue is, and like how how they're seeing this issue
Speaker 1: like they're One of his stories in his new book
Speaker 1: is about a dystopian America where an elderly unhoused man
Speaker 1: has been like brainwashed by the government into saying like
Speaker 1: but like the brainwashed version of this guy is meant
Speaker 1: to be a version of like a Trump supporter. It's
Speaker 1: called Elliott Spencer. The story is, and he's like had
Speaker 1: his mind wiped and been reprogrammed with simplistic talking points,
Speaker 1: and you know, the Jack Ben writer kind of points
Speaker 1: out that this it If the shouting rally goers are brainwashed,
Speaker 1: then they don't really mean what they say. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing he keeps coming back to, is like they
Speaker 1: really mean that. Like in his New Yorker profile, he's like,
Speaker 1: they Americans are good and they've just been corrupted by
Speaker 1: this outside influence. And meanwhile, so like as I was
Speaker 1: reading this summary of his piece about like brainwashed unhoused
Speaker 1: man who has his mind wife, like meanwhile, in the
Speaker 1: news that day, the New York Times reported on the
Speaker 1: fact that there's a new law that says armed police
Speaker 1: officers and the NYPD, who by the way, are very
Speaker 1: fond of inadvertently in quotes, shooting and killing poor people,
Speaker 1: can just determine someone is mentally ill, like they have
Speaker 1: access to the precods and just cage them even if
Speaker 1: they're not a danger. Just giving first of all, the
Speaker 1: like granting oneself the power of foresight seems to be
Speaker 1: a trend in this version of fascism. Like we were
Speaker 1: talking about how effective altruism people are, Like what we
Speaker 1: actually know what's going to be a problem in you know,
Speaker 1: three thousand years, and that's what we're investing our money in,
Speaker 1: and not climate change. But like the n YPD giving
Speaker 1: themselves the power of foresight in order to allow them
Speaker 1: to just claim whoever they want is mentally ill and
Speaker 1: might later pose a danger and like cage them is
Speaker 1: you know, it's a dystopian reality, Like why would you
Speaker 1: need to create a dystopian reality in that just report
Speaker 1: just describe our world at present? Yeah, and which I
Speaker 1: don't know. I also was thinking about the John Millaney metaphor,
Speaker 1: like the these are like things that stick out to
Speaker 1: me from the like Trump administration and like the jokes
Speaker 1: that people people were like, oh, comedies canna be so
Speaker 1: good during the Trump administration, and like John Mullaney had
Speaker 1: that one where he was like, Trump's like a horse
Speaker 1: got it loose in a hospital. And in this case,
Speaker 1: like America is supposed to be an orderly hospital and
Speaker 1: Trump is like this outside chaotic agent. But I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was probably inadvertent, but came from
Speaker 1: like his subconscious that it's interesting that he chose a
Speaker 1: hospital because again, American hospitals don't actually take care of
Speaker 1: you if you don't have a job. That I think
Speaker 1: that's what it is. We're all about these concepts without
Speaker 1: actually reckoning with what the realities are. You know, thinks
Speaker 1: so much of his inability to like grapple with what's
Speaker 1: happening is because he's firmly existing in this version of
Speaker 1: America where he's like, yeah, bad stuff happened, but that's
Speaker 1: over and it's not bad stuff is the fucking d
Speaker 1: n A of this country. And because we haven't reckoned
Speaker 1: with it, it's just gonna keep popping back up in
Speaker 1: these weird ways because we've never reckoned with it so
Speaker 1: that it's it. And I think that's why it's interesting too,
Speaker 1: Like you were saying, is some people have figured out
Speaker 1: for a while America's like, yeah, I've based on what
Speaker 1: I've read, this place didn't sound great for people like me.
Speaker 1: It's the onset, And then there are others who are
Speaker 1: able to kind of just separate themselves from I think
Speaker 1: like this happens in so many countries, especially ones that
Speaker 1: started off as like violent, like like colonies. It's just
Speaker 1: easier to like kind of forget that it's built on
Speaker 1: these like really violent transgressions and to not reckon with
Speaker 1: that and then like realize that it's like echoing into
Speaker 1: the future. It's just I think it's a it's a
Speaker 1: bit ignorant, Yeah, And it just it just seems like
Speaker 1: any version of America that attempts to grapple with Trump
Speaker 1: is m that doesn't take that into account, like is
Speaker 1: just going to be perpetuating the problem, which is that
Speaker 1: Trump and the far right are the only people who
Speaker 1: are willing to acknowledge that the current system of corporate
Speaker 1: rule and no healthcare don't work and aren't just or decent.
Speaker 1: And they acknowledge that in the service of a grift.
Speaker 1: But that makes sense because the only thing that you're
Speaker 1: alive allowed to say and like gain traction with in
Speaker 1: America is like whatever is going to make someone money,
Speaker 1: and drifting makes people a lot of money, as we're
Speaker 1: seeing with crypto, So like that's you know that they'll
Speaker 1: allow it. The thing they won't allow is just like
Speaker 1: criticism that gets it like the very foundation and acknowledges
Speaker 1: that there are still these these massive fucking problems that
Speaker 1: this is highlighting the fact that we've never really addressed
Speaker 1: these problems. Yeah. The denial part though, too is like
Speaker 1: away people absolve themselves from having to do anything too.
Speaker 1: You know, if if George Saunders is like, if you
Speaker 1: weren't for this Trump guy, we'd all be fine. That
Speaker 1: just means the work is Trump just has to go.
Speaker 1: That's the work in that scenario. The work is we
Speaker 1: just don't need Trump when the work is we have
Speaker 1: to actually all be like collectively moving in the same
Speaker 1: direction for like the betterment of society and rappling with
Speaker 1: these like really heavy topics and knowing like, well, what's
Speaker 1: my what's my part in perpetuating this, uh any given
Speaker 1: system of oppression? What's my part in that? Because if
Speaker 1: I'm able to just say, these fucking Republicans, we then
Speaker 1: guess what, I have no work to do because it's
Speaker 1: all of them. And I think that's a really that's
Speaker 1: a really dangerous like subconscious thing that Americans do to
Speaker 1: themselves to like keep themselves from you know, putting in
Speaker 1: or being a little more bringing a little more awareness
Speaker 1: to the things that need work. But like that that
Speaker 1: is where the you know that that's why we like
Speaker 1: probably the number one subject on this podcast has become
Speaker 1: like the mainstream media like myth and just like you know,
Speaker 1: having the wool like pulling just covering ship up, like
Speaker 1: the you know, George Saunders probably reads the New York
Speaker 1: Times and like the New York Times the day of
Speaker 1: that Eric Adams like new NYPD thing they their article
Speaker 1: like doesn't talk about inequality or the real estate industry
Speaker 1: causing homelessness. When they covered the this like new PRECOG program,
Speaker 1: they treated as like, you know, it's a desperate solution
Speaker 1: because homelessness is out of control, and you know, they
Speaker 1: just ignore the structural causes. And so that's what it's
Speaker 1: like that that feels like such a important and foundational
Speaker 1: problem that is kind of going unaddressed because the mainstream
Speaker 1: media is the mainstream media. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's an op ed in the New York Times. I
Speaker 1: know what white voters see in herschel locker. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's why podcast like this one are are
Speaker 1: like important. I don want to blow too much smoke,
Speaker 1: but it's like, oh, if the mainstream media is not
Speaker 1: going to give us like the actual narrative about like
Speaker 1: how the real stage, how the real estate business is
Speaker 1: causing homelessness, we need to go to third party sites,
Speaker 1: and we need to make the third party media, and
Speaker 1: we need to make sure the third party media that
Speaker 1: they're going to is like the world's dumbest people who
Speaker 1: are fascists. It's like smart, empathetic people who like I
Speaker 1: want to do the work. And with Trump stuff, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: if you for me, it's like, oh, the best way
Speaker 1: to defeat Trump is to make the opposite side make
Speaker 1: everyone's lives so much better that they look at Trump like, oh,
Speaker 1: that guy's an idiot who never got did anything for me?
Speaker 1: Offer me healthcare, offer me college. Like a guy worked
Speaker 1: with I convinced him to be a Bernie Guy in
Speaker 1: like twenty minutes. I was like, you got student that right,
Speaker 1: and he's like yeah, And I was like, wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be great if that were gone? He was like, that
Speaker 1: would be sweet? How that happen? How could that happen? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but yeah, give us make my
Speaker 1: life better. It's it's that's and that's what's so fucked up, right,
Speaker 1: is because you have one. The Democrats are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we could make people's lives better, but they're making it
Speaker 1: so easy for us to do. Funk. All that all
Speaker 1: we have to do is being like, yo, can you
Speaker 1: believe we had dinner with Oh my god, y'all, that
Speaker 1: is a mess. Don't fucking ask about sick days if
Speaker 1: you're fucking rail work, like rail worker, funk out of here.
Speaker 1: They love the social the social issues they like that
Speaker 1: aren't political, Like the Democrats are happy to talk about
Speaker 1: Kanye or like Trump meeting with Nick Flentez or whatever.
Speaker 1: They're happy to talk about that because it means they
Speaker 1: have to talk about is you're totally right, don't do
Speaker 1: the work. MPR this morning was talking about the rail
Speaker 1: strike and just being you know, just being like and
Speaker 1: they didn't dig into any like, didn't give any account
Speaker 1: that like this might have fucked people over and made
Speaker 1: it so that people, you know, workers can just be
Speaker 1: railroaded going forward. They were just like and that was
Speaker 1: their concern. This is moving forward to save America's economy.
Speaker 1: Shame on and shame on every single fucker fucking Democrat
Speaker 1: who have it did not fucking side with the workers
Speaker 1: on this. I mean not that I expected them too,
Speaker 1: but for all the fucking assholes who are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm about the workers and ship, it's like, know,
Speaker 1: if you're just you're just doing the thing where you
Speaker 1: become a loose collection of the right opinions during a
Speaker 1: campaign and then just revert to your other ship. And
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised, but like this felt. It just feels
Speaker 1: like such an easy thing to do. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, you forget that there's millions of
Speaker 1: dollars being poured in on the other side by the
Speaker 1: railroad companies to make sure that these people arrive at
Speaker 1: that disipion, like they invest in this, that they're lobbying
Speaker 1: as an investment for ship like this, and then when
Speaker 1: it comes time like, hey man, remember we hooked you
Speaker 1: all up, and they're like, yeah, yeah, the economy, thank
Speaker 1: you all use that talking point to then say we
Speaker 1: gotta worry about the economy, but then again contradicts all
Speaker 1: this ship about the fucking essential workers like in the pants,
Speaker 1: like they've started the pandemic. Like well, if these people
Speaker 1: are so fucking essential that your whole thing is like
Speaker 1: if they stop, let the lime go down, then motherfuck,
Speaker 1: are you better get in your bag quick and cash days.
Speaker 1: It's exactly yeah. And it's the other thing just about
Speaker 1: the like this mainstream media sort of everything's cool here,
Speaker 1: sort of central like gravitational like force that just that
Speaker 1: that is the viewpoint and like you can get away
Speaker 1: from that for a second, but it's gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: come back to that is like that is also going
Speaker 1: to be ultimately the less. Like people want truth, like MSNBC, CNN,
Speaker 1: like these places that are like, oh, we don't know
Speaker 1: what to do. People are aren't watching us anymore, like
Speaker 1: we don't you know, and like the newspaper industry is
Speaker 1: and and like nope, it's like the truth is actively
Speaker 1: being suppressed. You would you would think that somebody would
Speaker 1: be like I have this crazy idea to make money
Speaker 1: for us. What if we actually like, told the truth
Speaker 1: about this and it's it's just wild that it's nobody's
Speaker 1: doing that, and it feels like it's going to like that.
Speaker 1: That should be because there is money to be made.
Speaker 1: It should be a thing that America is capable of,
Speaker 1: is at least telling the fucking truth about this, because
Speaker 1: you can make money off of telling people the truth,
Speaker 1: because people want to be told the truth. But there
Speaker 1: are these structural things in place of the Washington Post
Speaker 1: being owned by Jeff Bezos, for instance. Yeah, throw some smart,
Speaker 1: funny leftists on those talk shows and they'll suddenly be
Speaker 1: very watchable. If that just when we're on Crossfire and
Speaker 1: be sweet. Yeah, they kick you off because you're like, dude,
Speaker 1: go easy on Andrea Mitchell Man, Right, yeah, dude, she
Speaker 1: just fucking said George Bush was cool? Are you like
Speaker 1: what we're doing this? Right? All right, let's take a
Speaker 1: quick break, we'll come back. We'll talk about pilk. I
Speaker 1: guess is what it's called. The I feel like they
Speaker 1: could have done better than that, and we're back. They
Speaker 1: could have called a pep silk, PEPSI silk, Mepsi MILKSI milks. Yeah, milks,
Speaker 1: he is cute. Pilk sounds sounds discussing. It sounds like
Speaker 1: something Wayne and Garth would have like said for vomiting,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like dude, month about pil Anyways, Lindsay Lohan
Speaker 1: someone in well while they were deciding to ignore, you know,
Speaker 1: labor issues and like what what actually affects people's lives,
Speaker 1: like the somewhere in the big boardrooms where all the
Speaker 1: Ivy League graduates have like gone to work, they've decided
Speaker 1: Christmas two is season. Oh Lohan? All right? Yeah. She
Speaker 1: appeared in the Netflix Holiday movie, which Miles watched and
Speaker 1: said it's his favorite movie of all time. Also shout out.
Speaker 1: We had Zike Gang who wears crew on that film,
Speaker 1: and they DM me some some ship. But I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna I'm not violating not I don't want to violate
Speaker 1: the trust. But I mean no, it wasn't like it
Speaker 1: wasn't like anything right the world. But it's just more
Speaker 1: like little things that I was like, Oh that's that's quirky. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: Zeke Gang, who work on things, let's yeah, we're we're
Speaker 1: here for this. D m us with good stories from
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of especially if you're working with, you know,
Speaker 1: just the worst wealthy people. I want to know about
Speaker 1: what the extremely wealthy do behind the scenes, and we
Speaker 1: will quote you anonymously. But anyway, so she is the
Speaker 1: official mascot for the holidays and for a new Pepsi
Speaker 1: commercial which is advising everyone to drink pilk, which is
Speaker 1: a combination of pepsi milk and giving up on just everything.
Speaker 1: But she's also doing like TikTok videos that show people
Speaker 1: how to make pilk. And then there's a commercial where
Speaker 1: we see her living room and there's a glass of
Speaker 1: milk and a plate of cookies and you know, left
Speaker 1: out for Santa. But when Santa shows up, he adds
Speaker 1: a can of pepsi to the milk to wash down
Speaker 1: the presumably to wash down the caffeine pills that Nampheta
Speaker 1: means that he has to do to just get through
Speaker 1: the night. Can you imagine if you were somewhere and
Speaker 1: saw someone just roll up with pepsi that they brought
Speaker 1: with them and pour it in a milk like would
Speaker 1: be like, yotus, give me a cup of milk with
Speaker 1: room for pepsi. What Anyway, she sneaks in scarce Santa
Speaker 1: he disappears, and then Lindsay Lohan drinks her pilk his
Speaker 1: pilk actually and eats his cookies, which is fucked up,
Speaker 1: but you know, we'll allow it. He drinks his pilk
Speaker 1: and eats his cookies. Sounds like euphemistic, but leave. It's
Speaker 1: just so weird this image though, by the way, like
Speaker 1: this still it looks like they're trying to sell you
Speaker 1: like a like a cold brew. Yeah. I was thinking
Speaker 1: that floating down like that's what it because like it's
Speaker 1: definitely they they topped it with milk to watch it
Speaker 1: go down. I'm like, it's so in a way, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I know a drink that looks like that that I like, yeah, clever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks like Guinness a little bit too, like with
Speaker 1: the brown and the white kind of mixing. Also the
Speaker 1: head or I guess. One of her viral videos, she
Speaker 1: claims that it's adding a little naughty milk to the
Speaker 1: nice Pepsi, which is like, you got exactly backwards, like, hey,
Speaker 1: they don't see they don't want to brand their ship
Speaker 1: as naughty. Probably you know somebody in the boards like, no,
Speaker 1: you associate Pepsi with naughty? That was just se can
Speaker 1: take where they were like, great work, Lindsay, we have
Speaker 1: one note. Pepsi is actually the nice thing. Milk is
Speaker 1: not milk is naturally occurring making a laugh. But a
Speaker 1: lot of people you know, have been doing doing their
Speaker 1: job as citizens of the Internet and trying pilk and
Speaker 1: the raves are in and at best it is not
Speaker 1: as disgusting as it sounds. That's a direct quote. At
Speaker 1: worst people think it tastes like shit and smells like shoes.
Speaker 1: So but this is actually pepsi. The attempt to catch
Speaker 1: in on the dirty soda trend, which was a TikTok
Speaker 1: this year, but actually began with the Church of Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ of Latter day Saints in Utah because you know,
Speaker 1: so many things are banned that the Mormons have been
Speaker 1: just going wild with the sugary drinks and like coming
Speaker 1: up with different combining dairy like cream or milk with
Speaker 1: sodas and flavored syrup and sometimes fruit and stealing the
Speaker 1: stealing the name of dirty sprite to be like this
Speaker 1: we can get a little wild too. Yeah, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you're not sip and from mathazine. Okay, that's fine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's but it's like there are a thing in Utah
Speaker 1: that we don't have here. But it actually sounds fine,
Speaker 1: especially to someone who doesn't drink anymore. Called what they're
Speaker 1: like soda, I mean soda shops which have been a
Speaker 1: thing before, but like they're not they're not a growth
Speaker 1: industry these days, I would say, but they're like there's
Speaker 1: a whole like war between the leading soda shops between
Speaker 1: Swig and So Delicious, because like one of them is
Speaker 1: like we came up with dirty soda. You you copied
Speaker 1: off of us, like one of their creations. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna describe it to you of sprite coconut creamer and
Speaker 1: a healthy dose of watermelon strawberry coconut Terrani, Syra, Can
Speaker 1: you like that sweet? Like it hurts my teeth to
Speaker 1: even read that. One of my tooth, my teeth tooth
Speaker 1: fell out hearing it. So forty four ounces, I remember
Speaker 1: AMPM used to have a thing called the forty four
Speaker 1: ounce or that was like a couple of mug you
Speaker 1: could bring it for like truckers and you could just
Speaker 1: fill that ship up all the time. I remember when
Speaker 1: I saw one as a kid, like this ain't a
Speaker 1: who's this four this amount of liquid then I started
Speaker 1: partying and I was like, oh, a forty. So now
Speaker 1: now we have the image of imagine drinking a fucking
Speaker 1: forty plus four more ounces of all this ship and
Speaker 1: the Tranti syrup from the fucking that's like that Barista
Speaker 1: flavored syrup, right, yeah, the one that's like I want
Speaker 1: four pumps. Yeah, yeah, it has like the cursive logo. Yeah.
Speaker 1: We talked about food a lot at the beginning, and
Speaker 1: I do love food, but I think it's because I
Speaker 1: get like no calories from drinks, where I'm like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin my day. I want to
Speaker 1: be able to eat later. Right, yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: a waste. That's the way it was supposed to be, too,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, or at least it was for a
Speaker 1: long time, right. It was water or like wine mixed
Speaker 1: with water was like the only thing that anybody could drink.
Speaker 1: And yeah, apparently pilk isn't a new thing. Pepsi and
Speaker 1: milk was Penny Marshalls go to drink on Laverne and
Speaker 1: Sureley and milk and coke was a viral trend back
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. Like, I can imagine this not being terrible.
Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna have to give it a shot
Speaker 1: now that I've said that, or I will have to
Speaker 1: give it a shot. But I didn't. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: This is the first time it's crossing my desk. During
Speaker 1: the lockdown, my sister brought home like a cold brew
Speaker 1: but with like self ser in it, and it was like,
Speaker 1: kind of like a bubbly Yeah, this is like the
Speaker 1: bones of that kind of right right, Yeah, there's something
Speaker 1: I was offered that recently too. They're like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: like a fizzy cold brew. I was like, nah, good,
Speaker 1: it just sounds like you're trying to cut out the
Speaker 1: good ship, just kind of like with soda water. Give.
Speaker 1: Did you grow up in New York Long Island? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So did you? Did you grow up with egg creams? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. I get made fun of em. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say that was my first my first I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, my first interaction with something like pilk
Speaker 1: is an egg cream, And I was so disappointed the
Speaker 1: first time I had a egg cream. For people who
Speaker 1: don't know what an egg cream is, it is chocolate
Speaker 1: milk with seltzer, right, That's basically what it is. Milk
Speaker 1: Seltzer and syrup. No, no milk, it's seltzer and there's
Speaker 1: no milk and there's no cream. Or there's no egg
Speaker 1: and there's no cream in it. It's selzer and chocolate syrup.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, I don't. Well, I've had them with
Speaker 1: carbonated water for sure, because I think I remember. And milk.
Speaker 1: I'm saying milk because there was like a bottled one
Speaker 1: I remember I got from the store, like when I
Speaker 1: was six years old. I remember I would get it
Speaker 1: every time because I thought it would be better than that.
Speaker 1: Subsequent time it was always the same shit. Oh yeah, milk,
Speaker 1: milk too, yeah yeah. And the syra. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: it's like an egg cream. You know why I watched
Speaker 1: the West Wing because I used to be a regular
Speaker 1: lib like everyone else, and they drink them on in
Speaker 1: the West Wing. It's like a thing for not Toby,
Speaker 1: but oh god, I can see his face, black Beard,
Speaker 1: but he drinks them because he's from Brooklyn. I so
Speaker 1: I started drinking them that way, Toby. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Anyways on this one. On the pilk or moke kill
Speaker 1: like either way, I guess they're both equally Like you're
Speaker 1: you're you're playing god if you're if you're trying to
Speaker 1: mix milk with coker pepsi, but the ratio has to
Speaker 1: be right, because if you if the ratios offer it
Speaker 1: sits too long, the acid from the soda curdles the milk,
Speaker 1: and then the chunks sink to the bottom, turning the
Speaker 1: drink as clear as crystal pepsi with brownish sludge at
Speaker 1: the bottom. Wow, wait, what do you mean? It turns
Speaker 1: the drink clear like it the attaches to like the
Speaker 1: brown and then yeah, and then sounds yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: cool to watch. It does sound like something I don't
Speaker 1: want to drink. You activated my twelve year old like
Speaker 1: brain that it subsequently gets me my head ripped off
Speaker 1: by my mom because what the are you doing in here?
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, don't touch that, it's gonna go clear.
Speaker 1: It sounds like something you should like light on fire
Speaker 1: at that point, you know. Anyway, we'll try it. We'll
Speaker 1: let you know what we think. Yeah, or let us know. Also,
Speaker 1: I love here. Look dirty sodas. I know we have
Speaker 1: is that gang out in Utah? Let us know your
Speaker 1: safe favorite dirty sodas or other bizarre drink combinations. The
Speaker 1: soda shop wards. Let us know who which side you've
Speaker 1: chosen in the soda shop wards. If there's been any
Speaker 1: flare ups, hopefully they'll get too violent. Alright, Well, gave
Speaker 1: truly a pleasure having you on the daily Zaheist. Where
Speaker 1: where can people find you and follow you? Yeah? Instagram
Speaker 1: is like the main one. Um, that's how I'm doing
Speaker 1: most of my ads for this next like theater run
Speaker 1: and so we got six more weeks of theater shows
Speaker 1: and then I'm taking it on the road hopefully. Thanks
Speaker 1: keeping Well, I'm gonna do it in l A on
Speaker 1: jan I'm doing it in Rochester next week, so if
Speaker 1: you're around, come check it out. It's like a Barbiglia
Speaker 1: kind of hour. And I just hired. My director is
Speaker 1: Greg Wallack, who worked with Asa Minage on Homecoming King.
Speaker 1: They like worked on that together, amazing. Thank thank they
Speaker 1: don't forget about us. Man on your Way to the Top. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to. I'm gonna have to check that out
Speaker 1: when you're out out in l A. Oh. Yeah, coms
Speaker 1: for everybody. All you guys, is there a tweet or
Speaker 1: some other work of social media that you've been enjoying? Yes,
Speaker 1: I I read this yesterday and it really summed up
Speaker 1: the yesterday's News, which is print. It's by at Trevor Combo.
Speaker 1: Jared Binks wrote parentheses running for President, I love Hitler.
Speaker 1: My wife cheated on me so much. It's like, Wow,
Speaker 1: he's really going for it. That that's one way to
Speaker 1: get elected. Yeah, that that disc I love that tweet.
Speaker 1: That distillation was just so funny, the parenthetical running for President,
Speaker 1: I love ye ship. Miles. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: What the tweet you've been enjoying? Man? You find me
Speaker 1: at Miles of Gray on Twitter, Instagram, Hive wherever find
Speaker 1: me there. Also find Jack and I on our basketball podcast,
Speaker 1: the Goofiest basketball podcast of them all. Miles and Jack
Speaker 1: got an official NBA product where Jack and I were
Speaker 1: in the eating yesterday and Jack was like, there's no
Speaker 1: way they don't regret doing but they don't. They love it, uh,
Speaker 1: And also find they love his folks. Also find me
Speaker 1: on four twenty Day Fiance with Sophia Alexandro where we
Speaker 1: talk about ninety day fiance. Some tweets at I like
Speaker 1: I did like the one of h them running for president?
Speaker 1: One hilarious. Oh another one This is just from Roy
Speaker 1: at roy Wood Jr. He just said, he said today
Speaker 1: had three meetings today. Nobody showed up her bared. Three
Speaker 1: got hauled off in the ambulance, sliced up, two started
Speaker 1: buttingam and one took his shirt off talking about Now,
Speaker 1: who else want to funk with? Hollywood Court. I always
Speaker 1: thought I thought his name and I thought it was
Speaker 1: Hollywood Coke. Yeah. I thought it was somebody saying their
Speaker 1: gangster name. And then someone was like, no, that's an
Speaker 1: actual project in Atlanta. Was like that, that makes the
Speaker 1: most sense. Thank you for putting me on. And another
Speaker 1: one from favorite of ours at Polaviganalan tweeted, what the
Speaker 1: funk our fancy hotels doing without a squatty potty? I'm
Speaker 1: not paying to use the business room, I'm paying to
Speaker 1: ship like a king. And I totally agree with that.
Speaker 1: And I was like, that's why I keep four phone books.
Speaker 1: Get it, hotels? What the do you ever improvise the
Speaker 1: squatty potty? Improvise us? Oh? Yeah? Where where? Like? Hey,
Speaker 1: you bring the suitcase in here? Yeah, they should have
Speaker 1: tushies in there too. I'm assuming it would be too
Speaker 1: hard to clean or something, but they should. They should
Speaker 1: have the whole all all the stuff that the Internet
Speaker 1: has discovered, and nose is better for going to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: like come on, come on, come on, hotels some tweets
Speaker 1: I've been enjoying Naomi tom Key. This is just straight
Speaker 1: up good advice. My top gift giving advice, and I'm
Speaker 1: good at gifts. And this is also something that I've
Speaker 1: always said, is to not give anything related to a
Speaker 1: person's main interests that's already a priority for them. They
Speaker 1: probably already know what they specifically want and or prioritize
Speaker 1: spending their own money on it. I think that's good.
Speaker 1: Like that is the number one. It's like, hey, you
Speaker 1: you like comedy, here's comedy book that you know, or like,
Speaker 1: hey you you're a writer, here's I don't know. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's just a funny like I don't And I
Speaker 1: find myself doing it too, where I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: just going with the thing that would be of use
Speaker 1: to them. So just come up with something that you
Speaker 1: like that you think they would like, or you know,
Speaker 1: write what you know and gift what you know. I
Speaker 1: think it's generally good advice. Jamie Loftus tweeted a conversation
Speaker 1: with someone where the person wrote will you be my girlfriend?
Speaker 1: I have a car, I have a dog, two dog
Speaker 1: and she said I'm getting married most likely. And finally,
Speaker 1: in response to the news at the end of last week,
Speaker 1: Amy Lee Gemstone tweeted Kanye West told Alex Jones that
Speaker 1: I bite down on the capsule pain, then pressure. I'm free.
Speaker 1: I opened my eyes to the glory of an open field,
Speaker 1: aromatic herbs and wild flowers, a glow. My mother licks
Speaker 1: me clean and I bathe them my first dusk as
Speaker 1: a as a Shetland pony. That was a little bit
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Speaker 1: that we talked about in today's episode, as well as
Speaker 1: the song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what
Speaker 1: do we think people might enjoy it? Uh? This is
Speaker 1: a track from the artist one oak o a k
Speaker 1: It's like one hyphen o dot a dot k dot
Speaker 1: and it's called every Day. And when the song I
Speaker 1: was hearing it on the radio. When the song first started,
Speaker 1: I thought it was like a haunted like old Christmas song,
Speaker 1: Like there's like this old kind of chopped and screwed
Speaker 1: like vocalist thing happening. And then it turns into this
Speaker 1: like really dope, like modern R and B song. This artist,
Speaker 1: he's like a vocalist, producer, musician, so I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: he produces all of his beats, which I always love
Speaker 1: like finding artists that are like from the top to bottom,
Speaker 1: like involved with every single aspect of their music making
Speaker 1: and like the production is really cool. And again, I
Speaker 1: like when people are saying I'm inspired by Stevie Wonder
Speaker 1: and the Neptunes, but I'm trying to take it to Oakland,
Speaker 1: which is what this artist is trying to do. So
Speaker 1: this is every Day by One Oak al Right, we'll
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