Speaker 1: Poof. All right, Matt, we're coming in hot. You gotta
Speaker 1: tell you, man, this one still wears me out. Let
Speaker 1: me let me just ask you on the off chance
Speaker 1: you solved this since we recorded this classic episode, Matt,
Speaker 1: what happened to Aidolf Hitler? Quicksand Yeah, nobody expected it,
Speaker 1: not even him, especially not him. Now, Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: focused on other things. But joking aside, there does seem
Speaker 1: to be some questions remaining when it comes to what
Speaker 1: actually happened to Aidolf Hitler? Was the skull actually his?
Speaker 1: Did he actually go down in the bunker or the
Speaker 1: way history tells us. We're gonna explore these questions and
Speaker 1: these theories in this episode. Um, we will be talking
Speaker 1: about Hitler, so prepare for that. But it'll be a
Speaker 1: good compo from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies.
Speaker 1: History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back
Speaker 1: now or learn the stuff they don't want you to up.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. My
Speaker 1: name isn't all they call me Ben? You are you
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Speaker 1: We're back right in the studio. Yeah, we're back in
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Speaker 1: we had a heck of a time doing it. We
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Speaker 1: We would be very much appreciative of that kind of gesture.
Speaker 1: And or of five star hotel whatever you if you
Speaker 1: happen to be a big wig and you are five
Speaker 1: star hotels, you know six of you got him under
Speaker 1: I think four and a half is the best I've
Speaker 1: ever done. Well, I can't disclose a lot of my
Speaker 1: travel circumstances. I like to keep that underground. And what
Speaker 1: we're talking about today, speaking of overly labored segues UH
Speaker 1: concerns one of the most famous allegations of underground travel
Speaker 1: in modern history. This is a story about a titular
Speaker 1: incident in World War Two in April, when the Fjura
Speaker 1: of Germany a k a. Adolf Hitler died. For decades since,
Speaker 1: this single event has remained one of the most discussed
Speaker 1: moments of the entire war. He's in a bunker, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: it was a five star bunker. He probably actually it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have some of the we have some of the
Speaker 1: architecture about actually, you know what I'm remembering, and we'll
Speaker 1: get to this later in the episode. It wasn't that great,
Speaker 1: not a five star not. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: a Michelin. I don't think that Michelin started facilities. As
Speaker 1: far as food goes, it was. It was generally spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: an unpleasant place, but mostly secure from shelling. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: in theory, the death of Hitler signaled a tremendous blow
Speaker 1: to the right, and even today, historians continue to debate
Speaker 1: about the nature and degree of this blow because there's
Speaker 1: this big question. Was Hitler at this point genuinely a
Speaker 1: good tactician or had he become increasingly unhinged in irrational
Speaker 1: due to drug use And now we're talking about like emphetamins.
Speaker 1: He was hopped up on goofballs. Yeah, and at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, in World War Two we hear a lot
Speaker 1: about use of methamphetamines, perhaps by Hitler or Saxis powers.
Speaker 1: But as we examined in our previous episodes on drug
Speaker 1: use in the military, amphetamines were something that everybody was
Speaker 1: interested in, you know. And thank you, by the way
Speaker 1: to everybody who wrote in in the listener mail episode
Speaker 1: that you Nolan, you Mett did where we actually had
Speaker 1: a caller, uh call in and talk about drugs in
Speaker 1: the military. And if you haven't listened to that episode,
Speaker 1: please check it out. It was tremendously education. It's very kind. Ben.
Speaker 1: It was not a bad effort for for us being
Speaker 1: without our our compatriot. Oh I was. I was listening
Speaker 1: to it on a plane, and I think there were
Speaker 1: there was some pretty funny moments that kind of creeped out.
Speaker 1: The ladies saying next to me, but you know, you
Speaker 1: made a nice appearance where you sort of possessed me
Speaker 1: for a second and you caused my nose to bleed
Speaker 1: and me to spout gibberish and I'm sorry by their spirit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've also brought some clean x is into the studio
Speaker 1: in case we have something like that happened again. So
Speaker 1: was the loss of Hitler largely a symbolic problem? Some
Speaker 1: historians have asked? And you can find exhaustive and we
Speaker 1: do mean exhaustive biographies of Adolf Hitler and and analyzes
Speaker 1: of the right in World War Two all over the place.
Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more about his life. We
Speaker 1: can recommend a couple of places to find some excellent info. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One particularly good one is Hitler The Terminal Biography by
Speaker 1: d Harlan Wilson. Also episode thirty seven of the World
Speaker 1: War Two podcast The Beginning of a multi episode series
Speaker 1: on Hitler by Ray Harris jr. Um is another good one,
Speaker 1: and for a particularly refreshing dive of the deep variety
Speaker 1: into not just Hitler, but the Nazi Party at large
Speaker 1: in general and more, check out our peer podcast Stuff
Speaker 1: You Miss in History Class, which I produce great folks,
Speaker 1: great folks. So I feel like we're kind of burying
Speaker 1: the lead here, guys. It's for twenty It's April today,
Speaker 1: which not only is a day for celebrations of people
Speaker 1: of infeable persuasions naphetamine thing right, No, Uh, it's also
Speaker 1: Hitler's birthday, and you know, seriously, yeah, yeah's birthday. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Oh, or it would yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: if he was still alive, he would have celebrated his
Speaker 1: anniversary of his birth yes, which you know, I we
Speaker 1: we did not plan this. It was not something that
Speaker 1: we're going to do. We're usually record our podcasts yesterday
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, and it is Thursday. However, we are not
Speaker 1: talking about his life, nor for the record or wishing
Speaker 1: him a happy birthday. It's just weird how the world works.
Speaker 1: Our story starts again, as we said on the day
Speaker 1: of his death. So let's look at the official story.
Speaker 1: The room where it happened. The room where it happened.
Speaker 1: That's a joke for you, Matt, Thanks buddy, I appreciate
Speaker 1: that very much. Um, it's a it's a whole musical thing.
Speaker 1: Don't don't worry about Oh, it's the it's the it's
Speaker 1: a Hamilton's things. I don't, I don't. I only know
Speaker 1: the I'm not gonna but shot. Yes. Um, So we're
Speaker 1: going back to the bunker. This is where Hitler and
Speaker 1: several of his closest associates spent uh pretty much the
Speaker 1: last stretch of the war, especially Hitler, who was just
Speaker 1: there ensconced. I love that word ben in the funeral bunker,
Speaker 1: which is and it was an air raid shelter in Berlin.
Speaker 1: We talked about it being resistant somewhat at least to
Speaker 1: shelling and other large bombs. It was called the fuer bunker. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: those Germans Man, they really have those like words that
Speaker 1: are just so absurdly literal. That's the bunker. And I
Speaker 1: love the way that the German language, German speakers in
Speaker 1: the audience you already you already know this, and I
Speaker 1: hope you realize how much non German speakers appreciate and
Speaker 1: are mystified by this propensity in German or practice, I
Speaker 1: should say, to make a word by just smashing all
Speaker 1: these other words together. You know, it's it's startling to me,
Speaker 1: and I stand in awe of your nunciation. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'm much like thirty three Thomas Street. This bunker was
Speaker 1: meant to contain everything you need to survive for quite
Speaker 1: a while, especially airborne attacks, chemical weapons. Even however, if
Speaker 1: a an atomic bomb was dropped on this thing, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't have fared so well. Probably yeah, well, of course
Speaker 1: this wasn't designed to because what's an atom bomb, right?
Speaker 1: It isn't designed a big giant thing that nuclear material
Speaker 1: wipes out populations, drops on. I also used to do
Speaker 1: hip hop tracks with the guy who called himself Adam Bomb,
Speaker 1: but he spelled it yeah a d A related to
Speaker 1: Adam amp. You know. I never we We were mostly colleagues.
Speaker 1: They had different last uh So the Fewer Bunker was
Speaker 1: part of a larger Right Chancellory Bunker, and it was
Speaker 1: composed of two parts. There's the Vore Bunker or Forward Bunker,
Speaker 1: and that was completed in nineteen thirty six. The Fewer Bunker,
Speaker 1: the Hitler Clubhouse for lack of a more respectful term,
Speaker 1: was completed in nineteen forty four. It was about eight
Speaker 1: feet lower in the ground, which which becomes important in
Speaker 1: just a second. We were talking about the five star stuff.
Speaker 1: So this complex was originally only intended to be a
Speaker 1: temporary air raid shelter because during a lot of his career,
Speaker 1: Adolf Hitler didn't spend that much time actually in Berlin. However,
Speaker 1: is the situation in Germany worsened. By January of nine,
Speaker 1: it became Hitler's primary residence, and it was not a
Speaker 1: great place because it was below the water table, so
Speaker 1: it's always kind of damp. If you want to see
Speaker 1: a really, really, really well done dramatization of this period
Speaker 1: in Hitler's life, check out the movie Downfall. You may
Speaker 1: know it if you haven't seen it by this meme
Speaker 1: clip where it's this part where I think Hitler's generals
Speaker 1: or whatever are telling him that basically all is lost
Speaker 1: and then nothing can be done, and he's got this
Speaker 1: map and he just kind of like freaks out and
Speaker 1: gives them all a really intense dressing down. And there
Speaker 1: are just all these amazing versions where they changed the
Speaker 1: subtitles to be about can you remember particular Yeah, one
Speaker 1: was about backwards compatibility on video games. Maybe one about
Speaker 1: like Apple removing the headphone jack or something like that.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. It's like they basically very lead tell
Speaker 1: him this news and he sort of twitches for a
Speaker 1: little bit and then just kind of just loose it
Speaker 1: and pounds on the table. But anyway, I digress. That's
Speaker 1: that's a great film that very much describes visually the
Speaker 1: period that we're talking about here. Recommended highly. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: situation Noel described and Downfall from a visual perspective is
Speaker 1: pretty much spot on. They had to run pumps continuously
Speaker 1: to remove groundwater. They had electricity provided by a diesel generator.
Speaker 1: They used well water for the supplies. They did have
Speaker 1: in the beginning communications equipment and a tele x telephone switchboard,
Speaker 1: army radio set. I would imagine they had to go
Speaker 1: dark though after a while, or there was no one
Speaker 1: to communicate with. Yeah, as conditions deteriorated. Uh, they ended
Speaker 1: up receiving much of the war news from British broadcast
Speaker 1: radio BBC broadcast and then via courier towards the end,
Speaker 1: where someone would hear something from the BBC and then
Speaker 1: like run across the garden and knock on the door.
Speaker 1: And and as Matt mentioned, uh, people it wasn't just
Speaker 1: Hitler in here, right, there were other people. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: are all kinds of officials, other staff that lived at
Speaker 1: the larger complex itself. Aside from Hitler, there were occupants
Speaker 1: in the bunker like itself at one time or another.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about Goring, Herman, Goring, Heinrich, Hmmler, the
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call them. Some of the
Speaker 1: main players in the Nazi party, his like posse, his
Speaker 1: inner circle. That's exactly what it is, and of course
Speaker 1: Hitler's longtime partner Eva Braun. As you can imagine, the
Speaker 1: psychic energy in the bunker was pretty desperate at times,
Speaker 1: super intense, like we were saying in downfall, kind of
Speaker 1: showing that feeling. Um and more and more occupants left
Speaker 1: as conditions got worse and worse and worse. Surrounding them
Speaker 1: as forces, Allied forces, Russian forces, Um, they're all kind
Speaker 1: of squeezing in towards the bunker itself. Yeah, let's talk
Speaker 1: about outside the bunker, because it's just as important to
Speaker 1: our story today as what occurred inside. So by early
Speaker 1: Germany's military was on the verge of complete and total collapse.
Speaker 1: The Nazis felt that the battle for Berlin would be
Speaker 1: the final battle of the war in Europe. So around
Speaker 1: thousand soldiers of Germany's Army Group B were surrounded and
Speaker 1: captured on the eighteenth of April, leaving the path completely
Speaker 1: open for American occupation of Berlin. American forces to reach
Speaker 1: and invade Berlin um by April eleven, the Americans crossed
Speaker 1: the Elba sixty two miles to the west of Berlin,
Speaker 1: and then by the sixteenth Soviet forces to the east,
Speaker 1: crossed the Odor and commenced the Battle for the Sea
Speaker 1: Low Heights, which was the last major defensive line protecting
Speaker 1: Berlin on that particular side. And by the nineteenth of April,
Speaker 1: the German forces were in full retreat from Cielo Heights,
Speaker 1: so this means there was no front line. Berlin was
Speaker 1: bombarded by Soviet artillery for the first time on his birthday,
Speaker 1: Hitler's birthday of April. On the one, Hitler ordered an
Speaker 1: s S general named Felix Steiner Uh to take his
Speaker 1: detachment and moved to rescue Berlin. But by the evening
Speaker 1: of the same day, Soviet tanks reached the outskirts of
Speaker 1: the city. That is a strong SS name general name,
Speaker 1: Felix Steiner just just very imposing sounding. Yes, absolutely so.
Speaker 1: The next day the two Hitler learned that stein Steiner
Speaker 1: had not obeyed his order and for the first time,
Speaker 1: and this this really calls back to that moment in Downfall,
Speaker 1: he declared that the war was lost. This is when
Speaker 1: he consulted his doctor, Dr. Verner Hass on the most
Speaker 1: reliable method of suicide, and doctor told him that he
Speaker 1: should use both a cyanide pill and a bullet self
Speaker 1: administered in that order, right, Yeah, And and this is
Speaker 1: when Hitler's paranoia really starts to ramp up to the
Speaker 1: highest levels that has been um because you know, I
Speaker 1: I can only imagine that being at that top level,
Speaker 1: you have some thoughts about the people around you that
Speaker 1: can border own crazy maybe, And he was really feeling
Speaker 1: that the people closest to him were traitors and he
Speaker 1: didn't trust anybody. Well, can you imagine two going from
Speaker 1: being the head han show that can do whatever he wants,
Speaker 1: get whatever he wants, order whatever he wants to be
Speaker 1: done to whomever he chooses, two living in an underground
Speaker 1: subterranean cube, you know, with your closest friend of these
Speaker 1: I guess, And can you imagine the paranoia that would
Speaker 1: set in and just the isolation that would set in,
Speaker 1: Not to mention in if you're geeked up out of
Speaker 1: your mind on amphetamines, your major generals just just disobeyed
Speaker 1: your order outright categorically did not do his job. So
Speaker 1: here's the Here are a couple of examples. When Herman
Speaker 1: Goring learned about this suicide conversation Hitler had had with
Speaker 1: his doctor, he sent a telegram Jadolf Hitler and asked
Speaker 1: for permission to take over the leadership of the Reich,
Speaker 1: and he he had. Goring felt he had precedents because
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty one, Hitler had named Goring his successor.
Speaker 1: So Hitler's secretary, a guy named Martin Borman, convinced his
Speaker 1: boss that Goring was planning a coup. In response, Hitler
Speaker 1: told Goring he would be executed unless he resigned, and
Speaker 1: then he sacked, going from all of his offices, ordered
Speaker 1: his arrest. And then he learned through the BBC that
Speaker 1: Heinrich Hmmler had offered to surrender to the Western Allies.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine? So all of these you know, thoughts
Speaker 1: that he's having are in some ways coming true right
Speaker 1: the The offer, by the way, was declined by the Allies.
Speaker 1: Himmler apparently had implied to the Allies that he had
Speaker 1: the authority to negotiate a surrender, and Hitler considered this treason.
Speaker 1: He was beyond furious. He ordered Himmler's arrest. Was he furious?
Speaker 1: That was worth it? That was worth it? Uh? He was,
Speaker 1: he was furious. Uh. He not only ordered Himmler's arrest,
Speaker 1: but Himmler had a representative from the s s who
Speaker 1: was at the bunker, and Hitler had him executed, talk
Speaker 1: about blaming the messenger the representative. So by the seven April,
Speaker 1: as we said, Berlin was cut off from the rest
Speaker 1: of Germany. On April twenty nine, Hitler married Eva Braun,
Speaker 1: and upon learning the fate of his ally Benito Mussolini,
Speaker 1: whose body was desecrated after his execution, was he dragged
Speaker 1: behind like a carriage of some sort, Yeah, I believe.
Speaker 1: So he requested the Sinai capsules from his doctor, remarking
Speaker 1: that he would not be made a spectacle. Side note.
Speaker 1: A side note here, just to give a little inside
Speaker 1: into the character of the dictator he need. He wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure the capsule worked, so he ordered his
Speaker 1: doctor has to use one on his own dog, blonding
Speaker 1: and he at least it wasn't like his daughter or
Speaker 1: something right, but it didn't make an apologies for Hitler.
Speaker 1: It did work, the dog died and Hitler was satisfied.
Speaker 1: He went to bed, which brings us to the day
Speaker 1: of On April, General Wilhelm Kitl reported that all forces
Speaker 1: that could have rescued Berlin had either been encircled or
Speaker 1: forced onto the defensive Soviet forces were less than six
Speaker 1: feet from this half star bunker, and then the commander
Speaker 1: of the Berlin Defense Area told Hitler that the forces
Speaker 1: that remained would run out of immunit ammunition that night
Speaker 1: and the fighting would eventually come to an end less
Speaker 1: than twenty four hours from then. So imagine the scene. Hitler,
Speaker 1: two of his secretaries, and his personal cook had lunch,
Speaker 1: after which he and Eva said farewell two members of
Speaker 1: the staff and the other occupants at the time that
Speaker 1: included Bourman, Joseph Garrible's his family, the secretary's military officers.
Speaker 1: Around two thirty, Adolph and Ava went into Hitler's personal study.
Speaker 1: Witnesses later reported hearing a gunshot. About an hour later,
Speaker 1: at three thirty, Hitler's valet, a guy named Heinz Ling,
Speaker 1: have Bourman and his side. They opened the door. Ling
Speaker 1: smelt burnt almonds, which are a common observation made in
Speaker 1: the presence of prussic acid, which is the liquid form
Speaker 1: of hydrogen cyanide, and another official entered the study and
Speaker 1: found lifeless bodies on the sofa. Ev Braun was to
Speaker 1: Hitler's left, slumped away from him. People stated that Hitler
Speaker 1: sat sunken over blood dripping out of his right temple,
Speaker 1: and that he had shot himself with his own pistol
Speaker 1: a walthor PPK. According to heinz ling Eva's body had
Speaker 1: no physical wounds that were visible, and it looked like
Speaker 1: from her face that she died of cyanide poisoning. His bodyguard,
Speaker 1: Rochus Mich, was one of the first people to see
Speaker 1: the dictator's corpse, and he also ended up being one
Speaker 1: of the last two living people left at the bunker.
Speaker 1: He fled the bunker and May the second only hours
Speaker 1: before the Soviet army seized it. He met up with
Speaker 1: other soldiers. They traveled north through the u Bon tunnels.
Speaker 1: They were taking prisoner when the Soviets caught them. He
Speaker 1: was brought to a prison in Moscow called Lubyanka, where
Speaker 1: he was tortured in an attempt to extract information regarding
Speaker 1: what happened to Hitler. Because you see Stalin Joseph Stalin
Speaker 1: was extremely interested in learning more about hit There's fate
Speaker 1: and theories about as possible escape and because of this,
Speaker 1: roches Mish spent eight years and forced labor camps. His
Speaker 1: account largely confirms the official narrative, but that's just one
Speaker 1: guy's account, right and it and a lot of people
Speaker 1: you know still don't believe the story. But why we'll
Speaker 1: answer that after a word from our sponsor. Here's where
Speaker 1: it gets crazy. Almost immediately after the news of Hitler's death,
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories proliferate. It. We're talking the same month, were
Speaker 1: the same couple of weeks. Like wildfire, they spread. This
Speaker 1: view is overwhelmingly dismissed in the public sphere and in academia,
Speaker 1: but they are tantalizing little nuggets of of information. They
Speaker 1: continued to be strewn about and emerged, casting doubt on
Speaker 1: the official story. Here is one example. Um a secret
Speaker 1: memo from FBI Director J Edgar Hoover declared that quote,
Speaker 1: American Army officials in Germany have not located Hitler's body,
Speaker 1: nor is there any reliable source that will say definitely
Speaker 1: that Hitler is dead. At the Potsdam conference, US President
Speaker 1: Harry S. Truman s Stalin of Hitler had died, and
Speaker 1: Stalin said nope. I'm kidding. He didn't actually say nope,
Speaker 1: but he said no. And the thing is that Soviet
Speaker 1: intelligence often changed their official stance on Hitler's fate, and
Speaker 1: because of this ambiguity. They created a large amount of
Speaker 1: uncertainty for decades afterwards. There are also a number of
Speaker 1: FBI documents that came out. You can find them at
Speaker 1: the vault dot FBI dot gov. You may have heard
Speaker 1: of this before, um And these documents are alleged sightings
Speaker 1: of Hitler that happened after his supposed death. Usually he's
Speaker 1: wearing like a Hawaiian shirt and a little fedora and
Speaker 1: like like like glasses with the nose and the mustache attached.
Speaker 1: Those are yeah, those are more recent, and he has
Speaker 1: that T shirt that says definitely not h Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: always have the arrow pointing out. But these documents, they
Speaker 1: range from from you know, all the way to the
Speaker 1: seventies and then later. But most of them are accounts
Speaker 1: of someone calling in or making contact with the FBI
Speaker 1: or some other agency and saying, I'm I know where
Speaker 1: Hitler is. He's here in Argentina, or he's here and
Speaker 1: then Puerto Rico or in these other places. Um And
Speaker 1: it's just a recording of someone saying that they have
Speaker 1: that information. And we need to put in a brief
Speaker 1: word about this sort of stuff. So one problem that
Speaker 1: law enforcement across the planet runs into repeatedly is the
Speaker 1: idea of someone seeing a random person and thinking that
Speaker 1: they're definitely, you know, the Zodiac Killer, the son of
Speaker 1: Sam tupacor perfect example. And the problem with that is
Speaker 1: in many cases, not only can these not be verified,
Speaker 1: but often not maybe not the majority of time, but
Speaker 1: often there are people who were just reporting it because
Speaker 1: they kind of want attention, not to mention if you
Speaker 1: have an actual like man hunt since you situation. Like
Speaker 1: I recently watched the O J. Simpson dramatization Non von
Speaker 1: FX with Cuba Gooding Jr. And there was a part
Speaker 1: where when o J was on the run and the
Speaker 1: Bronco people kept calling like saying, I saw it, definitely
Speaker 1: see o J. And it was just clogging up the
Speaker 1: lines to the point where like the person that actually
Speaker 1: had information couldn't even get through because people, like you say,
Speaker 1: either are jerks and are just trying to like prank people,
Speaker 1: or they just really want attention and want to be
Speaker 1: like the guy that brought down Hitler. Yeah, there's excitement
Speaker 1: right in thinking that it might be. And so one
Speaker 1: of the reasons that the FBI did keep track of
Speaker 1: this all the they did conclude that these accounts or
Speaker 1: these reports cannot be verified. They had an interest in
Speaker 1: keeping tracking this because of the situation with Hitler's body. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: according to the official story, what happened with Hitler's the
Speaker 1: the Hitler's body, both Ava and Adolf, they were taken
Speaker 1: from the bunker up to the surface, um and they
Speaker 1: were set on fire. Yeah, cremated right per his wishes, exactly,
Speaker 1: And because he didn't want his body anything, He didn't
Speaker 1: want anything to happen to his body after the Soviets
Speaker 1: got there, and he didn't want to get the Mussolini treatment, right,
Speaker 1: And because of that, because it was burned and may
Speaker 1: have even been hit from the shelling, possibly once or
Speaker 1: twice or however many times. There's no way to confirm
Speaker 1: any of that. There were other bodies that were also
Speaker 1: cremated there. There was a whole stack of bodies that
Speaker 1: ended up roughly in the location where the Hitler's were,
Speaker 1: where their remains were, and it wasn't really known for
Speaker 1: quite a while, in the time frame after his their
Speaker 1: deaths and after the remains were collected by the Soviets.
Speaker 1: So they're all kinds of forensic issues here. And let's
Speaker 1: let's also keep in mind that almost immediately after World
Speaker 1: War Two, the uneasy alliance that existed between the Soviet
Speaker 1: forces and I guess more of the West, right, like
Speaker 1: the European allies in the US. Almost immediately this uneasy
Speaker 1: alliance began to disintegrate. This was much more of an
Speaker 1: enemy of my enemy is my friend kind of situation, right,
Speaker 1: what about a friend of me of my friend of me?
Speaker 1: And then that would take us back to the bunker.
Speaker 1: But yeah, fret of me is a friend of me
Speaker 1: is a pretty accurate term for the interaction between these people.
Speaker 1: So the Soviet government having control over a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff and already launching into a rivalry. And this
Speaker 1: is not to put this geopolitical cold war stuff all
Speaker 1: on the Soviets end there. There were definitely aggressions on
Speaker 1: both sides of this new world order. But another, as
Speaker 1: as Null said, a nugget of information emerged recently and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, decades later and set the Internet on fire
Speaker 1: because the Soviet government, after multiple changes in their their
Speaker 1: end of the official story and ambiguities and contradictions, allowed
Speaker 1: a an archaeologist and bone specialist named Nick Bellotoni to
Speaker 1: test the fragments of skull that the that were kept
Speaker 1: in the Russian Federal Archives in Moscow and purportedly were
Speaker 1: you know, the remains of Hitler's skull that Nick Cage
Speaker 1: was o piste when he found that out, He's like,
Speaker 1: I thought I had Hitler skull in my collection. I'm
Speaker 1: sure there will several people who wrote strongly worded letters
Speaker 1: to eBay. So the the thing that Dr bell Atoni
Speaker 1: found out was that when he took samples of the
Speaker 1: skull and gave them DNA testing, found that it definitely
Speaker 1: wasn't Hitler unless Hitler was a woman below the age
Speaker 1: of forty. It wasteresting. It was a different skull. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say it was a different skull. I'm gonna agree
Speaker 1: with you. Well, yeah, and it goes back to that
Speaker 1: whole idea that there were a lot of body strewn
Speaker 1: about in that area where they picked up you know,
Speaker 1: where the Soviets picked up the remains for testing. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it was just gonna happen probably, And and
Speaker 1: here's something interesting, Okay, Neither former Soviet nor current Russian
Speaker 1: officials claimed that the skull was the main piece of
Speaker 1: evidence proving it was Hitler, so we have to throw
Speaker 1: some water on this one. Instead, they would cite these
Speaker 1: jawbone fragments and two dental bridges that were found, and
Speaker 1: these items were shown to Hugo Blashke, who was Hitler's dentist.
Speaker 1: That's the thing about being a dictator, you have a
Speaker 1: you have an entourage of people who just did one
Speaker 1: thing for you, right, And so Hugo the dentist, and
Speaker 1: his dental assistant UH, person named Kathy Hauserman UH, and
Speaker 1: then a longtime dental technician named Fritz Eckman all confirmed
Speaker 1: that the dental remains, the bridge, the bridges belonged to
Speaker 1: Hitler and Eva Broad and the skull fragment itself, and
Speaker 1: it sometimes gets glossed over in the stories about it's
Speaker 1: not Hitler's skull. The skull fragment was found a year
Speaker 1: later in n when the Soviets were investigating rumors of
Speaker 1: Hitler survi evil because for a long time Stalin was
Speaker 1: obsessed with this, and Stalin definitely had an obsessive personality.
Speaker 1: So we can say that maybe that part of the
Speaker 1: story of Hitler surviving or faking his death, maybe that
Speaker 1: part of the story is a little sensationalized, but there
Speaker 1: are still clear problems with the official narrative, and even
Speaker 1: today Hitler would have been And if you want to
Speaker 1: see X rays of Adolf Hitler's jaw and pictures of
Speaker 1: a recreated version of the jaw bone when they were
Speaker 1: doing testing to figure out if this truly was Hitler's
Speaker 1: jaw bone, UH searched the adontological identification of Adolf Hitler.
Speaker 1: There's an entire document here that goes over everything and
Speaker 1: includes images of everything we just talked about. Why do
Speaker 1: you think Stalin had such a band his bondet about
Speaker 1: this whole business. You think he just felt like out dictated.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting question. And he was definitely an obsessive man,
Speaker 1: obsessive in terms of personality, perhaps two the level of
Speaker 1: a mental disorder. But then there's also the very interesting
Speaker 1: argument that one cannot be a dictator without some sort
Speaker 1: of cognitive anomaly, right exactly. And also we can't forget
Speaker 1: that he had access to information that did not exist
Speaker 1: in any way whatsoever, not only in the public sphere
Speaker 1: in the Soviet Union, but even in governmental levels in
Speaker 1: the West. So he saw a lot of problems with
Speaker 1: the official story. And as more and more of this
Speaker 1: information emerged across the gulf of time and space. Uh,
Speaker 1: More and more people began to question whether Adolf Hitler
Speaker 1: actually died and began asking what if? We're gonna ask
Speaker 1: that question too after a little sponsor break. So what if? This,
Speaker 1: Ladies and Gentlemen, is the part of the show where
Speaker 1: we explore some of the speculation regarding alternate narratives of
Speaker 1: Hitler post World War Two. I'd be okay with that.
Speaker 1: I'm fantastic. I'm glad you're on board. So if if
Speaker 1: he did somehow escape, where would he have gone? Earlier
Speaker 1: in the show we mentioned Earlier in the show, we
Speaker 1: mentioned one of Hitler's officials who said, look, the s
Speaker 1: is about to hit the f and I don't mean
Speaker 1: San Francisco. We're gonna run out of ammunition in twenty
Speaker 1: four hours. That that official also requested for the m
Speaker 1: time for Hitler to green light them attempting to make
Speaker 1: a breakout, which would mean that he and the associates
Speaker 1: and the remaining military would essentially go for a Hail
Speaker 1: Mary and just try to get through the Soviet encirclement
Speaker 1: to reconvene with whatever existing forces they could find. Because
Speaker 1: there were tunnels that were fairly nearby that they could use.
Speaker 1: There were some airports that possibly they could have accessed, right,
Speaker 1: So that is one of the big questions. This brings
Speaker 1: us to what we would call ratlines and paper clips.
Speaker 1: You see, although the Allies reported that Hitler was indeed deceased, privately,
Speaker 1: several factions within that coalition doubted the official story. Several
Speaker 1: figures in Allied intelligence believed Hitler might have actually escaped,
Speaker 1: and as mentioned before, the Russian leader Joseph Stalin was
Speaker 1: certain Hitler had actually fled, and he told this to
Speaker 1: the Americans. So during a visit to the Hague shortly
Speaker 1: after the war, the commander of the Allied forces, good
Speaker 1: Old Dwight Ike right, Ike, Yeah, I like Ike Dwight D.
Speaker 1: Eisenhower told reporters that there was a quote reason to
Speaker 1: believe Hitler was still alive. Um, the Russian account of
Speaker 1: what happened after they had seized Hitler's one star bunker
Speaker 1: was confused and contradictory. And just like bin Laden decades later,
Speaker 1: there was no body. What's the what's the Latin? First?
Speaker 1: Show me the body? You have the body? What about
Speaker 1: show me the money is there a Latin for that. Yes,
Speaker 1: probably habeas de niro. We will, we will doubtlessly find out.
Speaker 1: You can write to us directly with the Latin translation
Speaker 1: of not only show me the money, but your other
Speaker 1: favorite film catch phrases. So yes, So there were rumors
Speaker 1: that were circulating that both Hitler and Brown at this
Speaker 1: time they're both Hitler's had been smuggled out of Germany,
Speaker 1: and the reported signings of the two coming from all
Speaker 1: over the world. You know, the FBI and the OSS,
Speaker 1: which you may know as the predecessor to the CIA,
Speaker 1: they investigated a lot of these rumors, and there are
Speaker 1: a lot of places that they may have gone, according
Speaker 1: to these rumors. One of them is South America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. At the time, this was not
Speaker 1: an absolutely bonkers concept, although the public was largely unaware
Speaker 1: of the situation. Multiple Nazi officials escaped punishment after the
Speaker 1: war through several different means due to the hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of German immigrants who lived in the country. Argentina
Speaker 1: in particular, maintains close ties with Germany and remain neutral
Speaker 1: throughout much of World War two. In the years after
Speaker 1: the war, the president at the time one prone secretly
Speaker 1: ordered diplomats and intelligence officers to establish escape routes so
Speaker 1: called ratlines, through ports in Spain and Italy to smuggle
Speaker 1: thousands of former s S officers and Nazi Party members
Speaker 1: out of Europe, and as many as five thousand Nazis
Speaker 1: are thought to have relocated to Argentina. One of the
Speaker 1: major ideas about how this may have happened, how the
Speaker 1: Hitler's got out it comes. I'm pulling this from Skeptoid,
Speaker 1: another podcast that covers a lot of these kinds of things,
Speaker 1: and I would recommend you check it out if you're interested.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna pull from here. So on May eighth,
Speaker 1: the German Instrument of Surrender was signed. So this is,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of weeks after, like a weekend,
Speaker 1: a couple of days after Hitler allegedly committed suicide, officially
Speaker 1: ending the war. This, yeah, officially ends World War two,
Speaker 1: at least in Europe. And there were remaining German German
Speaker 1: submarines and several other naval ships that were out at
Speaker 1: sea at the time, and the submarines in particular were
Speaker 1: ordered to jettison their ammunition, to operate only on the surface,
Speaker 1: and to surrender or essentially to any U n port
Speaker 1: that they could. Now several several of the submarines decided
Speaker 1: this maybe some kind of diversionary tactic. Maybe the war
Speaker 1: isn't over. Maybe this is propaganda and they're just trying
Speaker 1: to get us to, you know, surrender. So one boat,
Speaker 1: in particular, one submarine, a U boat called U five thirty,
Speaker 1: it chose to kind of be on its own for
Speaker 1: a while, almost two months. Where it it took, it
Speaker 1: took a journey and if you look at the skeptic
Speaker 1: way thing, it tells you all about exactly where they went.
Speaker 1: And this is the ship that allegedly dropped off Hitler,
Speaker 1: the Hitler's according to several stories, because of its route,
Speaker 1: it took past Argentina right and ultimately it's surrendered to
Speaker 1: the Argentinian Navy. Isn't that correct? Yes? So the it
Speaker 1: also not only jettisoned a lot of its equipment, but
Speaker 1: it's logs. Yeah. So these two missing months are questionable
Speaker 1: as they exist in the statements that their mouth gave
Speaker 1: to the Argentineans. So what's the what's the fringe historian
Speaker 1: accounted this? Matt The account would be that the Hitler's
Speaker 1: escaped through tunnels, got to an airport that then took
Speaker 1: them over to the submarine. The submarine then dropped them
Speaker 1: off in Argentina. And you know that that's like the story.
Speaker 1: And there are allegedly a couple of people that saw them.
Speaker 1: I saw some German officials exiting the submarine. Um though,
Speaker 1: you know, being able to correctly identify which submarine it was.
Speaker 1: They're all kinds of issues with that. And if you
Speaker 1: look at the official story from the captain or what,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you call them, the person who
Speaker 1: was running the submarine, the commander, uh, the logs their travel,
Speaker 1: his story of the travel with those that they jettisoned
Speaker 1: makes sense as far as how much fuel they used,
Speaker 1: how much fuel they had on board, and where like
Speaker 1: the route that they took, which doesn't include dropping people
Speaker 1: off in Argentina if you did the math right. So
Speaker 1: unless there were some other fuel stop that remains secret,
Speaker 1: it would be physically impossible even in to reduce some
Speaker 1: more economical speed for U five thirty to make that trip. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because of the long amount of time they were traveling
Speaker 1: extremely slowly deep in the water. So this idea, this
Speaker 1: ratline stuff was not restricted to Argentina, nor is it
Speaker 1: a series of allegations. Let's be clear here. The only
Speaker 1: allegation is that Adolph Hitler was among those who went
Speaker 1: on these rat lines. Otherwise, it's completely true and it's proven,
Speaker 1: and in some cases, with the assistance of the Vatican,
Speaker 1: various officials escaped. German prosecutors who examined secret files from
Speaker 1: Brazil and chill A also discovered that as many as
Speaker 1: nine thousand Nazi officers and collaborators from other countries escaped
Speaker 1: from Europe to fine sanctuary in the South American nations.
Speaker 1: Brazil took in between fifteen hundred and two thousand war criminals,
Speaker 1: five hundred to a thousand settled in Chile. Here's an
Speaker 1: interesting point, Perrone, and I'm so proud of the three
Speaker 1: of us for getting this far without a don't cry
Speaker 1: for me, Argentina a vita reference. What's that I'm not
Speaker 1: following for this reindeer game de one with Madonna? Is
Speaker 1: it is? And I didn't think it was that bad. Uh.
Speaker 1: Perrone particularly wanted to recruit Nazis with military and technical expertise,
Speaker 1: because let's remember, these scientists were doing some top notch
Speaker 1: rocketry work because we've discussed in previous episodes. So they
Speaker 1: were like rocket scientists, and they were literally rocket scientists
Speaker 1: brain surgeons. I don't know if they were brain surgeons.
Speaker 1: But the guy who who invented the V two rocket
Speaker 1: for you know, the Nazis also invented the Centurn five
Speaker 1: rocket that went to the moon, right, remember him? Uh?
Speaker 1: These uh the thing that prone wanted to do. The
Speaker 1: reason he wanted these uh, these scientists is because he
Speaker 1: believed it could help Argentina's progress in these fields. Much
Speaker 1: like the United States and the Soviet Union. Despite the
Speaker 1: public righteousness and pretends of pursuing justice, both the US
Speaker 1: and the USS are scrambled like mad dogs to gain
Speaker 1: possession of as many Nazi scientists as possible, Like roaches
Speaker 1: fleeing the blinding light of a forty watt bulb. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like like people at a comic convention desperately clawing at
Speaker 1: each other and trampling one another when someone threw out
Speaker 1: a copy of Action Comics number one or a two
Speaker 1: Leader of Mountain Dew. I've seen that happen in person.
Speaker 1: And or you know, like two massive empires that want
Speaker 1: to control the world and need every technical little bit
Speaker 1: of advantage they can get that is much more apt Matthew. Yes,
Speaker 1: in the US, this was known as Operation paper Clip.
Speaker 1: And if you'd like to learn more about it, oh,
Speaker 1: friends and neighbors, have we got a deal for you.
Speaker 1: You can check out all of our past video and
Speaker 1: audio episodes on that with a simple Internet search. However,
Speaker 1: we would be remiss if we did not close on
Speaker 1: one of the more let's say, controversial theories about the
Speaker 1: ultimate alleged escape route of Adolph Hitler, and that is,
Speaker 1: if we could have a drumroll please, Antarctica. Yes, Hitler
Speaker 1: went to join his ancient aryan underground brothers in Antarctica. Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean polar bears. That's the original area nation. Polar
Speaker 1: bears are in the North Pole. These would be penguins. Oh,
Speaker 1: my bad, I get my poles confused. The the the
Speaker 1: this ties into the earlier longstanding theory that in factors
Speaker 1: in something called Operation High Jump. So we'll talk about
Speaker 1: the less less out there version and then will maybe
Speaker 1: end on the really really out there version. So the
Speaker 1: less out there version is that the Allies and the
Speaker 1: Axis Powers were both exploring Antarctica as sort of an
Speaker 1: insurance policy to make sure that they could control all
Speaker 1: of the continents eventually, because we have to remember they
Speaker 1: are playing a huge live action game of risk, and
Speaker 1: so the German side and the Axis side wanted to
Speaker 1: create a land called New Schwapia, and you can actually
Speaker 1: find this on some of the maps of the top time.
Speaker 1: The theory here is that a U boat that was
Speaker 1: out of pocket or was maybe black ops the entire time,
Speaker 1: ferried Hitler and some other officials to Antarctica, where they
Speaker 1: began to plan for a third right version, to which
Speaker 1: I guess technically would be a fourth rich but they
Speaker 1: did not consult Matt nolan I on the nomenclature. This
Speaker 1: is widely not accepted by academia, but it goes further.
Speaker 1: There's also a train of thought amongst people who believe
Speaker 1: that the Nazi powers discovered, or were at least searching for,
Speaker 1: as Matt said, an underground race of ancient arians who
Speaker 1: made their own civilization in anywhere from a subterranean cave
Speaker 1: system to a hollow earth penguins just so uber penguins,
Speaker 1: and that these uh that these forces are responsible for
Speaker 1: multiple UFO sightings in the subsequent decades. Now that's fascinating.
Speaker 1: Tell me more. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to make
Speaker 1: light by saying they were penguins. I was just trying
Speaker 1: to make up for not knowing where polar bears live.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. No, uh no, please please don't don't beat
Speaker 1: yourself up here. The idea is the The idea is
Speaker 1: that it's kind of a take off the concept we've
Speaker 1: seen before that UFOs, often confused with extraterrestrials, are just
Speaker 1: classified technology that most people aren't aware of. Right, So
Speaker 1: the idea here would be that the Nazi Party or
Speaker 1: the remnants of it, made it to Antarctica, but also
Speaker 1: managed to preserve some of the secret technology they have
Speaker 1: been researching. So might this enter into like the sort
Speaker 1: of trope, sort of James Bondi trope of like secret
Speaker 1: underground ice layers with death rays and things like that. Oh,
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. At this point, you know, we do have
Speaker 1: to say that it doesn't seem from what we've encountered,
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem likely that Antarctica ended up being the
Speaker 1: final resting place of Hitler. We do know for sure
Speaker 1: that South America ended up being the final resting place
Speaker 1: for several members of that same political party. However, we
Speaker 1: do have to ask, are all these stories Is all
Speaker 1: this conjecture based on the fact simply that this is
Speaker 1: one of the most infamous people in history? Or are
Speaker 1: the holes in the official narrative, which you know indisputably exists,
Speaker 1: even just in the manner of his death in Berlin?
Speaker 1: Are these are these holes purposeful propaganda efforts by the
Speaker 1: Soviet intelligence? Or is there something more to the story.
Speaker 1: Did Adolph Hitler die by his own hand on April nineteen?
Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's all about a lack of closure.
Speaker 1: You have this ancient evil figure that at the Allies
Speaker 1: and the Soviets are all seeing as like this is
Speaker 1: the guy. We win if this guy is dead and
Speaker 1: you you know, allegedly he's dead, but you can't prove it, right,
Speaker 1: you don't have a body, You don't have a thing
Speaker 1: to show in the newspaper like here is Hitler's dead body.
Speaker 1: The evil is defeated. It's the same thing with Osama
Speaker 1: Bin Lawton. That's I mean, it's why when you have
Speaker 1: that boogeyman, the only way to get closure is to
Speaker 1: know for certain that he, you know it, is dead. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a it's sort of a fascination maybe obsession we
Speaker 1: have with that kind of closure where you know, so
Speaker 1: many people really depend on a funeral where there's a
Speaker 1: body and a casket that you can say that was
Speaker 1: my people, and now it's he's gone, and we do
Speaker 1: a thing and say goodbye. Honestly, it's like the antithesis
Speaker 1: of that in a way, but with that same lynch
Speaker 1: pen of like proof, like we need to show everyone
Speaker 1: needs to assemble and see this, accept it, and then
Speaker 1: we can move on. If you don't have that, there
Speaker 1: are many that would maybe always look at what we're
Speaker 1: talking about, there's still a possible jecture. You know, speculation
Speaker 1: runs wild when you don't have that kind of proof,
Speaker 1: and we see that all the time with the stories
Speaker 1: we can. Let's add another aspect here, which is a
Speaker 1: little bit disturbing from a psychological perspective, but I believe
Speaker 1: absolutely real and for the more crucial to these considerations,
Speaker 1: and it is the following. So, the official reasoning of
Speaker 1: the US government in the assassination of Osama bin Laden
Speaker 1: and the burial at sea, which I believe is the
Speaker 1: phrasing they used, was that they did not want a
Speaker 1: grave site because they did not want to encourage martyrdom,
Speaker 1: and they did not want to encourage you know, uh
Speaker 1: attacks or events around that. So would the reasoning be
Speaker 1: that if there were a a grave for Hitler or
Speaker 1: a known place of death, that this would become a
Speaker 1: rallying point for people who shared those views, or even
Speaker 1: a site of constant uh what's the word defacements, you know,
Speaker 1: a site of constant um vandalism or destruction by you know,
Speaker 1: people that hated this man and that had real pain
Speaker 1: and suffering cause to their families in their life and
Speaker 1: their family and generations for generations to continue to go
Speaker 1: back to that place as a you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that people always are going to resort
Speaker 1: to violence or lashing out, but that's a pretty big one,
Speaker 1: you know that, And and historically people do resort to violence. No,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I like to think the best
Speaker 1: of people, I guess, but I really do agree that
Speaker 1: having a site like that could cause problems, could even
Speaker 1: cause clashes between the current supporters of some of that
Speaker 1: ideology and people whose lives and families were torn apart
Speaker 1: by you know what he did. Where the hell do
Speaker 1: you put it? You know space Antarctica. An Arctica is
Speaker 1: so isolated it's like diet space. I'm sorry, I did
Speaker 1: it again. I said Antarctica, Arctica, the Arctic going well.
Speaker 1: Speaking of thinking the best of people, we want to
Speaker 1: thank you for checking out the show and we want
Speaker 1: to hear your opinions. How familiar are you with this concept?
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are familiar with Hitler
Speaker 1: escape theories due to some of the search for Hitler
Speaker 1: shows that are played on cable television. And what's your take?
Speaker 1: Is this something to ask some sand to it. If
Speaker 1: there is something that the official narrative has misled the
Speaker 1: public on, what is it and why did they do it?
Speaker 1: Because as we've seen in the course of this show,
Speaker 1: there are multiple opportunities. Again, I know I'm primarily hitting
Speaker 1: on Soviet intelligence here, but there are multiple times where
Speaker 1: the story didn't add up, but not in a way
Speaker 1: that conclusively proves or disproves rather the official narrative. So
Speaker 1: write to us, let us know your thoughts. And while
Speaker 1: we're talking about the best part of the show, which
Speaker 1: is you. That reminds me it's time for shout at corners.
Speaker 1: That's right, it's shout out corner at the time and
Speaker 1: every show where we shout out to you are beloved listeners.
Speaker 1: The first shout out today goes to Noir Guitar Super
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Uh nore Guitar Super says, I'd love a
Speaker 1: shout out dooche cool, thank you. I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I just said that randomly one day and it's just
Speaker 1: caught fire. I totally stole it from Bob's Burgers too.
Speaker 1: I am such a fraud. Um So, I'd love a
Speaker 1: shout out if possible. I shouldn't say that I didn't
Speaker 1: really on the Bob's Burgers. It's schedooch. I made it
Speaker 1: an sh sounds that's not exactly stealing it. Um It
Speaker 1: was lifted with good intentions, it was inspired. It was
Speaker 1: inspired by Yes. Um So, I'd love a shout out
Speaker 1: if possible. Topic suggestion from Noir Guitar Super. Have you
Speaker 1: ever heard of that Mexican drug dealer who practice black magic,
Speaker 1: did all sorts of wacky stuff, also a serial killer,
Speaker 1: Adolpho Constanzo. It gets crazy from the word go emoji. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I put emoji in parentheses because when I read the comment,
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure which emoji he meant so I just
Speaker 1: wrote emoji in parentheses. That was my bad. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna insert a unicorn. Fantastic uh. And that's a
Speaker 1: that's a great topic idea. Uh, Lar guitar super because
Speaker 1: Adolphin Constanzo is someone that we had looked at a
Speaker 1: little bit in the past but never done a show on.
Speaker 1: This is a Cuban American serial killer, drug dealer, and
Speaker 1: cult leader of a gang called the Narcos Satanist or
Speaker 1: Lost Narcos Satanicos. Uh. His cult members nicknamed him El Padrino.
Speaker 1: What what he did was he was participating in in
Speaker 1: the narco trade, but he began to believe that these
Speaker 1: magic spells that he was practicing, many of which he
Speaker 1: he lifted and and sort of twisted from belief system
Speaker 1: called Polo Maombe, were responsible for the success of these
Speaker 1: cartels that he worked with, and he started killing people.
Speaker 1: He had beef with some of the cartels when he said,
Speaker 1: you know, you will all your success to my dark
Speaker 1: magic and they said, you know, hey, man, like we
Speaker 1: like cocaine too, but being kind of crazy. Uh. And
Speaker 1: then seven members of this powerful cartel h disappeared and
Speaker 1: they turned up with body parts missing. Come to find
Speaker 1: this guy would put body parts in a cauldron and
Speaker 1: participate in cannibalistic black magic. I would love to look
Speaker 1: into this guy further in a future episode. And by
Speaker 1: the way, no our guitar Super. While you're waiting. If
Speaker 1: you haven't done it yet, check out our episode on
Speaker 1: Narco Saints and check out our interview with Bob Maser
Speaker 1: of the infiltrator Um. The film with Brian Cranston was
Speaker 1: based on this guy, Bob Maser, who was an an
Speaker 1: undercover operative UM and he basically infiltrated the Narco trade
Speaker 1: that we were talking about. And there's some really interesting
Speaker 1: stories about Santa Ria and about encounters with some of
Speaker 1: these types of folks. So that's another another that's a
Speaker 1: really good call. Thank you, super Guitar for an extremely
Speaker 1: disturbing topic that I look forward to looking into. The
Speaker 1: next one comes from Clayton. Clayton says, Hello, guys. I
Speaker 1: found it amusing that when I started playing the latest
Speaker 1: episode of a podcast about conspiracies and I found it
Speaker 1: begin with an ad for a store opening near me?
Speaker 1: Do they know? Have they found me? Are they near?
Speaker 1: Who are they? I just thought it was funny given
Speaker 1: the premise of the show. Well, we think it's funny too,
Speaker 1: and that's why we're doing it. We think it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: We're just playing a joke on you. They're not real ads.
Speaker 1: Don't even worry about it. We're just they're little easter
Speaker 1: eggs that we hope you find, Clayton, and there's one
Speaker 1: in this too, so I hope we've noticed. I have
Speaker 1: a little topic suggestion that I'd like to throw in,
Speaker 1: just thinking about some of the stuff we just talked about.
Speaker 1: Jim Jones. Have we done anything on Jim Jones. We've
Speaker 1: done video video, but we should do a podcast because
Speaker 1: there's a new book that just came out written by
Speaker 1: the Peabody Award winning author Jeff Gwen called Jim Jones
Speaker 1: The Road to Jonestown. That's not actually called Jim Jones
Speaker 1: The Road is just called the Road to Jonestown. But
Speaker 1: he did a fabulous interview on NPR with Terry Gross
Speaker 1: the other week, and there's actually audio tape of the
Speaker 1: you know, drinking the kool a the flavor, aight, I
Speaker 1: guess it was. Yeah, yeah, that was some pretty uh,
Speaker 1: pretty blood curdling stuff. But there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: I didn't know about him and his history, and I
Speaker 1: think it might be worth exploring. And like the fact
Speaker 1: that some of his early work was very humanitarian for
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, and much more in the
Speaker 1: social justice kind of vein, and only after he sort
Speaker 1: of went down his own rabbit hole and drank his
Speaker 1: own kool aid and intelligence exactly. That's true too, But
Speaker 1: I think I don't know i'd like to do that.
Speaker 1: That's just that's a personal shout out to to myself.
Speaker 1: I can't check right now if we've done an audio
Speaker 1: podcast on it, but I'm pretty sure we did in
Speaker 1: early early on. We may have. We may have uh
Speaker 1: that the relationship between intelligence communities and religious leaders is
Speaker 1: endlessly fascinating. I actually lost sleep earlier this week when
Speaker 1: I was reading back again on Mary not Marylyn Man.
Speaker 1: It's a different guy, Charles Manson and uh Paul Crockett,
Speaker 1: the scientologist miner who saved Texas Watson. So we've got
Speaker 1: one more shout out here, and it comes to us
Speaker 1: from from Tyler via email. Tyler says, hey, y'all, big fans,
Speaker 1: show you help me get through many a long drive.
Speaker 1: Had a couple of show ideas. First, after this election,
Speaker 1: all the accusations voting fraud, I'd love to hear about
Speaker 1: the history of rigged elections. When was the first recorded
Speaker 1: fixed vote? When was the last fixed vote? Maybe some
Speaker 1: famous rigged elections. We can definitely look at the third one, Tyler,
Speaker 1: finding the first one's gonna be tough. Well, some people
Speaker 1: might also say, show us an example of a non
Speaker 1: rigged election. Also, I think that an episode about the
Speaker 1: d s M, says Tyler, would be fascinating. Its history
Speaker 1: is a tool for social control. The inherent prejudice and
Speaker 1: the influence of big farm on diagnoses make this a topic.
Speaker 1: I think you guys, love of thanks stay awesome. And
Speaker 1: he sent us a follow up message. He said, just
Speaker 1: realized that I forgot to say. I'm a mental health
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