Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to sixty six,
Speaker 1: Episode three of DIR Daily Zi Guys Stay production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take
Speaker 1: a deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Wednesday,
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Speaker 1: think we got this one. I think once we step
Speaker 1: in Pearl Harbor, the Pearl Harbor folks are gonna take
Speaker 1: a take a back seat. Yeah. I wonder if it
Speaker 1: was even like invented on the seven now. I think
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Speaker 1: The Brilliant, The talented Cerise Castle. Thanks so much for
Speaker 1: having me. Hey, thank welcome, thanks for coming back. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how's How's life? How's life? Post podcast launched in election
Speaker 1: Yeah good yeah post fienduevo. We have a whole new sheriff.
Speaker 1: His name is Robert Luna. He was sworn in on Saturday,
Speaker 1: and he sat down a shareff for the first time
Speaker 1: on Monday at noon and yeah, we gotta be sheriff
Speaker 1: mission comp I guess I can hang up my hat. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he said. He seemed like he was like, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I hope you will hold me to account.
Speaker 1: When he was when you interviewed him, he was like,
Speaker 1: I just plan on doing a good job and I
Speaker 1: hope you hope me to account. And uh, he seems
Speaker 1: he seems like he knows the eyes. The eyes are
Speaker 1: on him, so that the gaze is upon the department.
Speaker 1: For sure. I gotta say vien a Wuava like that.
Speaker 1: His The footage of him watching himself lose was pretty satisfying.
Speaker 1: I feel like we don't often get that front row seat,
Speaker 1: but like somebody was kind enough to be taking video
Speaker 1: of him as watching the results and doing like yeah.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Spectrum News she got that incredible footage
Speaker 1: of him just refreshing the page, refreshing the page and
Speaker 1: looking cartoon like disbelief. Does Kate, does Kate go into that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, quote unquote election I could have been a
Speaker 1: victory party party, And like the shot I'm getting is
Speaker 1: this dude looking at his phone and realizing it is
Speaker 1: l Yeah, because that's that's how perfect the shot is,
Speaker 1: because I think it was quite literally like a tonic
Speaker 1: many of us needed in l A, who are like
Speaker 1: this fucking guy out of here? And then he's just
Speaker 1: like squinting, like taking glasses off others people's faces to
Speaker 1: like look through them to see if Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: fun to watch in in loss, in defeat. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, congratulations to you on that defeat and
Speaker 1: to all of us. We are going to get to
Speaker 1: know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things
Speaker 1: we're talking about today. We're gonna check him with a
Speaker 1: Georgia runoff. We don't know the results as this recording,
Speaker 1: but we're just gonna check in with how we got
Speaker 1: into it, how we got here. The Republican grift is real.
Speaker 1: It's some of these fundraising statistics of like where the
Speaker 1: money was going two miles was pretty wild that you
Speaker 1: dug up. So I want to talk about that. We
Speaker 1: want to talk about the state of police saying in
Speaker 1: human caging in this country, just you know, the reporting
Speaker 1: you continue to do on your podcast series, and and
Speaker 1: then just kind of relating it to stories we're seeing nationwide,
Speaker 1: Houston's Harris County Jail dn YPD being allowed to arrest
Speaker 1: and use force on someone giving themselves the like precog
Speaker 1: abilities to be like they might become violent later, so
Speaker 1: we were allowed to use force and just generally like
Speaker 1: where all of this fits within the zeitgeist because I
Speaker 1: don't know, We well, we'll we'll probably be digging into
Speaker 1: it more. We we discovered John Burnfall's podcast Real Ones.
Speaker 1: Are you Are you familiar with this? No? I'm not. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actor John burn Fall has this like copaganda podcast like
Speaker 1: to make him feel like he's a he's a really
Speaker 1: a real one. Should he have come on my podcast faint?
Speaker 1: Because his podcast is like all you can lick boot
Speaker 1: buffet and you're like, what is this dude saying? You like?
Speaker 1: Realize how much he like wants to be a cop,
Speaker 1: and it's so weird like where his empathy goes in
Speaker 1: these interviews, but just generally like where the where you're
Speaker 1: reporting fits within the like sort of shared consciousness, and
Speaker 1: like movies, I think in inform a lot of what
Speaker 1: people think police are like and what they do. And
Speaker 1: even even like the anti hero movies like Den of
Speaker 1: Thieves are just like so incredibly Thieves is about deputy gangs.
Speaker 1: Did you yeah? Yeah, like fully, they like fully are like,
Speaker 1: oh yes, the regulators, which is I think episode six, Yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: But they also like are doing it to get like
Speaker 1: the biggest bad guy. Like they're like, we gotta, we
Speaker 1: gotta to get the baddest bad guy. He's so bad.
Speaker 1: They like basically re recreate kaiser Z's for this movie
Speaker 1: and it and it feels like it's like the least
Speaker 1: flattering mainstream depiction of police like in a movie really
Speaker 1: and still you're like, oh that God's pretty cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And still they're like a big nick that's like the
Speaker 1: main character and they're like keep sucking rules. So I
Speaker 1: just want to talk about that. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: that AI selfie art app, which is the number one
Speaker 1: app in the iOS app Store for photo and video,
Speaker 1: and it has some troubling implications about like privacy, but
Speaker 1: also about art and like how it's using other people's
Speaker 1: art to create art or create create these images that
Speaker 1: people are paying for, but you know, the artists aren't
Speaker 1: getting any money. But before we get to any of
Speaker 1: that ship series, we like to ask our guest, what
Speaker 1: is something from your search history the Crown memes? What
Speaker 1: season five? First? Season five? Yes? What is there any
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it because everyone was like this one's
Speaker 1: people have said it's the weakest one. Do you agree?
Speaker 1: I don't. I haven't seen it yet. I'm not on
Speaker 1: season six. Yeah, I'm still in season five. Wait, okay,
Speaker 1: is that the one? Okay? I saw that one. That's
Speaker 1: one where Charles and Diana Jess met, right, this is
Speaker 1: the one where they have their separat or they separate
Speaker 1: in the course of the season, they have the babies, trips,
Speaker 1: Diana becomes a star, I go to South Africa. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, what kind of memes? What kind
Speaker 1: of memes you're looking at? I was just like looking
Speaker 1: for like any kind of meme, Like I've been watching
Speaker 1: way too much of the Crown lately and been going
Speaker 1: around my house calling my girlfriend her your royal highness
Speaker 1: and just curt seeing a lot crown brains. Okay, yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: I love when people get crown pilled like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's no turning back. It's funny because it's such a
Speaker 1: like long detailed You're just staring at these people who
Speaker 1: don't have shipped to do for the whole, but like
Speaker 1: like they do, but you realize that it's a lot
Speaker 1: of it's mostly meaningless stuff. It's like ceremonially they will
Speaker 1: issue a statement. But yeah, I don't know. I've I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm gonna come back to season six
Speaker 1: because the thing I've heard about season six is that
Speaker 1: it's like even slower. They're like, oh, you thought the
Speaker 1: previous ones ship didn't happen, We'll get ready to watch
Speaker 1: it really not happen in season six. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought this was gonna be the one where like
Speaker 1: it all falls apart and Diana passes from this planet,
Speaker 1: and that that was the point where the Crown was
Speaker 1: like at its least popular apparently, and that's like a
Speaker 1: real crisis, And I guess that's where at the least right.
Speaker 1: I can't believe it's bounced back though, Like people are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: now now it's cool again. Anyways, what is something you
Speaker 1: think is overrated? The monarch? No, I'm kidding, not on
Speaker 1: my watch, on this podcast the holidays? Mm hmm, yeah,
Speaker 1: go on, what what what about it for you? What
Speaker 1: do you not? I'm just not a holiday girl. You're
Speaker 1: not festive at all? You don't you never have like
Speaker 1: a festive attitude. Really, I'll pretend for my friends and
Speaker 1: loved ones. Oh no, so they'll never know that these
Speaker 1: eyes that they're staring at that you are not having fun.
Speaker 1: I guess they'll know. Now. Is there one holiday that
Speaker 1: ever that speaks to you in any way? Like Halloween?
Speaker 1: Say Halloween, but I feel like that's the one consistent
Speaker 1: one for people who are like I don't really folk
Speaker 1: with the holidays, and I'm like Halloween and they're like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course of course. But I didn't do Halloween this year.
Speaker 1: I didn't dress up. I got on a plane and
Speaker 1: I went to a journalism conference, okay, to the adult thing,
Speaker 1: very adult. Yeah, yeah, I love I just I think
Speaker 1: what it is for me, I lean like the one
Speaker 1: time I like to get into the spirit, which really
Speaker 1: just means like I will just lay around. I think
Speaker 1: it's Christmas because it's like leftover momentum from my childhood
Speaker 1: where that break like from between when you got out
Speaker 1: of the school in December to the new year was
Speaker 1: like the only time like I felt like my parents
Speaker 1: would just let me like watch TV all day and
Speaker 1: something about that, like I still hold highly in my mind.
Speaker 1: I'm like, and that is a holiday because I hated
Speaker 1: what my parents were, like, you were watching too much
Speaker 1: Martin again art please. Yeah. I was gonna say you
Speaker 1: should have worn worn a Halloween costume did on your flight,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that could go. I thought about it.
Speaker 1: I really did. I really thought about it. And there
Speaker 1: were a lot of costumes at the airport. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you the Burbank airport workers. They come to work
Speaker 1: in costume and they are festive as fun and I
Speaker 1: want true airport thank you. Yeah. I love that about that.
Speaker 1: But then, so Christmas, are you like one of these
Speaker 1: people like you start hearing Christmas like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: turn it. Then, I'm not a scrooge. I'm not a scrooge.
Speaker 1: I'm just not like a Chris. I'm just not like
Speaker 1: an enthusiastic participant in the holidays, Like I will not
Speaker 1: put on Christmas music of my own free will, but
Speaker 1: if you turn it on, hey, I might even sing
Speaker 1: along with you. Okay, I like that, Yeah I did.
Speaker 1: I'm not huge, huge Christmas person. But when I the
Speaker 1: first time I hear Mariah like, come on, I'm all that,
Speaker 1: that just feels like I remember where I am. Like
Speaker 1: here we are, changed my name to Karen Anderson went December.
Speaker 1: It's man, because I'm fucking with it. The candles come out.
Speaker 1: It's so weird. Again. I don't know why it does this.
Speaker 1: I think it's all because I was able to watch
Speaker 1: so much TV as a kid, and I'm investing back
Speaker 1: in the community. I was feeling bad about how much
Speaker 1: TV I love. My kids watch this weekend, and now
Speaker 1: you're making me feel better. They'll they'll remember that is
Speaker 1: their finest week they will. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm again, I'm like so media brained from the nineties,
Speaker 1: Like I truly I felt like I saw most things
Speaker 1: that came on the television, her films between like and
Speaker 1: so I hold those memories here. Yeah, what something you
Speaker 1: think is underrated? Three? Something that I think is underrated
Speaker 1: if voter participation. Yeah yeah, speaking of the runoff, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean more people should vote. I I can't say
Speaker 1: that enough. Get out there, exercise. You're right. How did
Speaker 1: you feel about all the local elections in l A.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was, I was. It was nice to
Speaker 1: see I mean, I yeah, I was happy with the
Speaker 1: fact that we saw a lot of candidates that seemed
Speaker 1: to be a direct response to a lot of the
Speaker 1: corruption that we've seen at city Hall being voted in.
Speaker 1: We saw Kenneth Bahia elected a city controller and his
Speaker 1: campaign was essentially, hey, let's audit the police, and got
Speaker 1: a resounding yes, let's do that, which is great to see.
Speaker 1: I love to see people, you know, voting in accountability candidates,
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to see what the city is going
Speaker 1: to look like under this new younger progressive guard. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kenneth may he had just took the charts straight to
Speaker 1: the people, like put the put the information directly in
Speaker 1: their veins. And I am still and this is something
Speaker 1: I interested in hearing you talk about because it's we
Speaker 1: Since the election, We've talked a lot on here about
Speaker 1: the mainstream media and like the new York Times is
Speaker 1: refusal to really like pick up that story that like
Speaker 1: people when you give them an opportunity, when you give
Speaker 1: them the information, are fans of progressive policy. But the
Speaker 1: way the mainstream media has covered it, it's been more,
Speaker 1: you know, anything but to that. And you, I know,
Speaker 1: you've you know, talked before about the fact that this
Speaker 1: incredible story that you've been reporting on for years now
Speaker 1: has been what for a long time was just left
Speaker 1: left alone by these these mainstream media outlets like what
Speaker 1: what is your thought been on just sort of the
Speaker 1: overall mainstream media allergy to covering progressive victories and progressive policy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that when you're talking about California, specifically Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: the legacy media, which is solely concentrated in New York City,
Speaker 1: doesn't really see Los Angeles, California something worth investing time
Speaker 1: and resources in. So when they do do coverage, it's
Speaker 1: in the style of sending an East Coast reporter to
Speaker 1: parachute down into the West Coast and do these really
Speaker 1: bizarre dispatches that you get got there. There are so
Speaker 1: many of them, and like these are the articles that
Speaker 1: you know, go viral on Twitter because they are just
Speaker 1: so far departed from what the reality actually is on
Speaker 1: the West Coast, and it's an issue I think that
Speaker 1: you know, these media companies would do well to spend
Speaker 1: significant time here in California and build up their newsrooms
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles, in San Francisco, across the state, really,
Speaker 1: because this is one of the most densely populated states
Speaker 1: in the United States. Policies in California are the policies
Speaker 1: that go on to shape national policy. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: genuinely think it's something that more people need to be
Speaker 1: paying attention to and taking seriously. Yeah, I mean, why
Speaker 1: send a reporter to the West Coast when they can
Speaker 1: call up, you know, a public relations person at a
Speaker 1: police department and be like, so, what's the situation. You
Speaker 1: don't need it. I don't even need to ask anybody else.
Speaker 1: It just feels like the tone of so many New
Speaker 1: York Times articles, especially about California, that are just like,
Speaker 1: according to these three cops, this is what the deal is.
Speaker 1: Didn't speak to one person in the community or someone
Speaker 1: who even had a counterpoint to any of that, And
Speaker 1: that's reality. What's your best guess for Like, how the
Speaker 1: how does bias like works itself into a newsroom like
Speaker 1: this like sort of finance brained via where it's just like,
Speaker 1: well if it doesn't have billions of dollars behind it,
Speaker 1: does It's not like an actual adult like opinion. It
Speaker 1: feels like something that we see repeatedly. But do you
Speaker 1: think it's like is it like top down ownership level?
Speaker 1: Is it that Like these reporters are all all have
Speaker 1: these like Ivy League backgrounds, and all their friends like
Speaker 1: work at venture capital firms and ship and they're just
Speaker 1: like kind of um, you know, capitalism brained and like
Speaker 1: can't can't like think their way outside of that or
Speaker 1: what what what's your thought on? Like how that bias
Speaker 1: is so resilient? Well, newsrooms are really homogeneous places. Newsrooms
Speaker 1: are mostly mostly the people that work there are white men.
Speaker 1: Most of them are of a certain age. Most of them,
Speaker 1: you know, are of a certain financial background with you know,
Speaker 1: lots of resources. They've gone to a lot of the
Speaker 1: same goals and they know a lot of the same people,
Speaker 1: and they don't really go outside of that circle really ever,
Speaker 1: And when something from outside that sphere emerges and challenges
Speaker 1: that point of view, it's immediately dismissed. As a falsehood
Speaker 1: or some one off lunatic ranting about nonsense. And that's
Speaker 1: that's a huge problem in the journalism industry. It's not
Speaker 1: a secret that it's not a very diverse place to work,
Speaker 1: and it's not a secret that it's a really hard
Speaker 1: field to be in for people that are not white guys.
Speaker 1: And I think that biases, you know, a product of
Speaker 1: having such a homogeneous industry. And I think that you know,
Speaker 1: there are some places that are charging head on into
Speaker 1: that and challenging it and reworking their structures. Unfortunately, a
Speaker 1: lot of places aren't, and they're really digging in their
Speaker 1: heels to sort of prevent any of those changes from happening.
Speaker 1: When you see that in actions like union busting, refusing
Speaker 1: to recognize unions, that sort of thing, right totally, I
Speaker 1: just think of like, I mean, even from your perspective,
Speaker 1: right like, for the piece that you originally wrote, would
Speaker 1: knock like that wouldn't have been in a newspaper of
Speaker 1: like on a wide scale, or at least if it was,
Speaker 1: it probably really sanitized to the point that you probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been satisfied with putting your name on it.
Speaker 1: And to see like a story like that just because
Speaker 1: of the pure like the truth contained within it and
Speaker 1: how much like people connect to that to see that
Speaker 1: it like transcends even those normal obstacles. Stories like this have,
Speaker 1: I think is a real testament to the like the
Speaker 1: work you've done, uh, and then to see it also
Speaker 1: continue like as a podcast to me is like that's
Speaker 1: it's very heartening to see those kinds of things because
Speaker 1: before a lot of people might just is these kinds
Speaker 1: of topics as being something of interest to only like
Speaker 1: activists and not the general public. And then just with
Speaker 1: that reporting, I honestly feel like after the when the
Speaker 1: when the piece came out, it became like sort of
Speaker 1: shorthand in l A to just say google l A,
Speaker 1: S D gangs, you know, and like I feel like
Speaker 1: part of like all of that really helped raise awareness
Speaker 1: to a level that probably wouldn't have been possible like
Speaker 1: with these sort of like legacy media companies. And how
Speaker 1: do you look at all that like because the work
Speaker 1: you do is so important and you can only trust
Speaker 1: you know, like the the like these newsrooms or edit
Speaker 1: editors so much because you know how important these stories are.
Speaker 1: How are you navigating that while also thinking like maybe
Speaker 1: there's a possibility for like the l A Times to
Speaker 1: be you know, like to be at the level that
Speaker 1: people feel that it should be. But how how do
Speaker 1: you look at it all? M hmm, Well, I mean
Speaker 1: the story I did pitch my series to all of
Speaker 1: the legacy outlets in Los Angeles, and it was rejected
Speaker 1: by every single one for a lot of the reasons
Speaker 1: that I was talking about in my previous answer. I
Speaker 1: had several editors states in my face, you know, this
Speaker 1: is a story that's happening in an area where we
Speaker 1: don't have subscribers, so it's not worth us investing the
Speaker 1: time and resources into the project, which is really unfortunate
Speaker 1: because I don't think who is buying your paper should
Speaker 1: determine what kind of story you do. It's the job
Speaker 1: of a reporter to be the voice of accountability and
Speaker 1: that's not something that is limited to who is, you know,
Speaker 1: purchasing the product. That that would be corruption, which is
Speaker 1: ostensibly what journalism is supposed to fight against. Right, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's it's nice that people are
Speaker 1: interested in the story. Now, it's nice that legacy outlets
Speaker 1: are talking about these issues. But again, I see the
Speaker 1: terms that are being used are you know, they don't
Speaker 1: call it a deputy gang. They say it's a subgroup.
Speaker 1: They say it's a click, which is really sad. I
Speaker 1: think that's really unfortunate. The Los Angeles Times in the
Speaker 1: nineties was perfectly happy to use the word deputy gang,
Speaker 1: but something happened and now they refused to print the phrase.
Speaker 1: And it's really important to call these things that they
Speaker 1: are and talk about these these issues in true and
Speaker 1: certain terms, because you can't begin to reckon with the
Speaker 1: issues if you can't call them what they are. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's uh, let's take a quick break. We'll
Speaker 1: come back, we'll talk about the Georgia runoff, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk more about policing in the US. And we're back,
Speaker 1: and the Georgia runoff is in full swing as of
Speaker 1: this recording, and it's I mean, it's look at so
Speaker 1: the big headline that we're seeing everywhere is the like
Speaker 1: the record breaking vote turnout, right early vote turnout, and
Speaker 1: you know, just from people who are standing in the lines,
Speaker 1: like it's it seems like a remarkably and by design
Speaker 1: inefficient voting system. Just a lot of people voting, but
Speaker 1: it seems like they're voting in response to the voter
Speaker 1: suppression that that people were trying to enact. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: like after Trump was screaming about how the election was rigged,
Speaker 1: a lot of state legislatures like just cooked up some
Speaker 1: wacky voter suppression bills to be like and that's how
Speaker 1: we're going to protect like using the voter integrity wave
Speaker 1: to just bring in all this new voter suppression. Well,
Speaker 1: that bill and Georgia shortened the period between the general
Speaker 1: election and a runoff, so while also restricting the ability
Speaker 1: to register new voters in that period, and a lot
Speaker 1: of it seems to be like helping Democrats inadvertently, I think,
Speaker 1: because the shortened time has led to a lot of
Speaker 1: people just turning out in droves because of like just
Speaker 1: generally the condensed time frame and previous elections, Democrats they
Speaker 1: struggled in runoffs to motivate voters to return to the polls.
Speaker 1: But again, this shortened period seems to have enabled like
Speaker 1: Warnox campaign to sort of continue the momentum from November
Speaker 1: while the Republicans were just trying to soothe their way
Speaker 1: out of this and being like, uh, can we not
Speaker 1: actually have early voting? The weekend before are like right
Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving, have it start then that would be bad.
Speaker 1: And then the judge was like, no, sorry, that that
Speaker 1: doesn't make any legal sense. So the early voting, you know,
Speaker 1: will commence then. And since then, we're just seeing like
Speaker 1: Republicans slowly start to be like, uh yeah, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: maybe this one isn't that winnable. But it's also worth mentioning.
Speaker 1: The whole runoff system in Georgia was put in place
Speaker 1: originally to dilute the voting power of black voters in
Speaker 1: the state, because the idea being that working class black
Speaker 1: voters in places like Fulton County they wouldn't necessarily be
Speaker 1: able to go to vote again on a Tuesday, like,
Speaker 1: since they have their own obligations. And so even despite
Speaker 1: all of that, you're seeing a lot of this turnout.
Speaker 1: Who knows where it's you know where it could lead.
Speaker 1: I mean the poll said that warnock out of slim lead.
Speaker 1: But you know what, we believe things when we see
Speaker 1: them in this day and age. And while all this
Speaker 1: is happening, like they're the Republicans are kind of retreating,
Speaker 1: like barely anyone was campaigning for him, and he's hardly
Speaker 1: done any real campaigning himself, and the email for the
Speaker 1: election night gathering was described as an election night party,
Speaker 1: when typically a confident campaign would call it a victory celebration.
Speaker 1: They're like, joined us for the victory celebration. They said.
Speaker 1: They might as well been like, yeah, yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have the game on on Tuesday if you want it.
Speaker 1: Sort of like the energy from that email, so you know,
Speaker 1: and while all and then again on top of this,
Speaker 1: we have grifting like Trump and Senator Mike Lee in
Speaker 1: Utah and other Republicans are just using this runoff to
Speaker 1: fill their own coffers. They're sending emails talking about like
Speaker 1: help us, Like Mike Lee sent one that said, quote,
Speaker 1: Warnock has been drastically outraising herschel Walker and we have
Speaker 1: to pick up the pace. Please rush a generous contribution
Speaker 1: to help finish the job and pull off a huge
Speaker 1: win for Herschel. The thing is right, exactly take him
Speaker 1: out back, because this man is he doesn't even know
Speaker 1: what office he's running for. Half the time. Senator Mike Lee,
Speaker 1: if you look at the fine print, he was keeping
Speaker 1: fifty of what was donated for himself. And then Trump
Speaker 1: was also doing this. This dude was keeping nine of
Speaker 1: what was donated for himself and the other ten percent
Speaker 1: would go to herschel walker on and then even worse.
Speaker 1: And then when people are like yo, n he slowly
Speaker 1: went down like a split laughter called out then the
Speaker 1: NISH the n r SC the now sational Republican senatorial campaign.
Speaker 1: These are the people who are in charge of like
Speaker 1: the Senate races for the Republican Party. They were keeping
Speaker 1: ninety nine cents of every dollar donated. So it's just
Speaker 1: like it's wild to see the levels of just like
Speaker 1: all kinds, like just how race is playing out in
Speaker 1: so many ways, like the runoff itself is like a
Speaker 1: relic of like a tool of white supremacy, the Republicans
Speaker 1: thinking that like black candidates are interchangeable to voters. Wow,
Speaker 1: Like okay, the new like the lack of nuance or
Speaker 1: just the ignorance there and then like the extraction of
Speaker 1: capital like off the back of his campaign to benefit
Speaker 1: mostly white Republicans, Like it has it all, folks, This
Speaker 1: has it all. So we'll see. But I mean, the
Speaker 1: Democrats already have their majority, are the way, but this
Speaker 1: is this, it's something else to look at. Wow, cents
Speaker 1: of every dollar that's that's wild. It's the whole I mean,
Speaker 1: that whole apparatus, like all the all the fundraising that
Speaker 1: Trump was doing in the aftermath of the last election
Speaker 1: and like not doing anything with that money, like just
Speaker 1: building up his own personal quote unquote war chest. It's
Speaker 1: it feels like something people are like, that's crazy, and
Speaker 1: then we just kind of moved on from But it's
Speaker 1: straight up drifting the people that he's relying on to
Speaker 1: come out and vote for votes. Well, four, I must say,
Speaker 1: is the Republican Party just going to crash and burn
Speaker 1: in a pile of grift? Yeah, I mean it feels
Speaker 1: like it because like already there's in fighting because Marjorie
Speaker 1: Taylor Green'd announced Nick Fuentez. So now like the super
Speaker 1: far right that even had her back is now like,
Speaker 1: oh she's a chump, right, like getting mad at her.
Speaker 1: You're like, yo, you can't make this this whole group
Speaker 1: of people happy like you Like, it's just it's it's
Speaker 1: going to be interesting. I mean, I think that's why
Speaker 1: it's interesting to also see de Santis's whole like strategy
Speaker 1: in which his whole thing is like he's trying to
Speaker 1: say as little as possible and trying to let Trump
Speaker 1: do as much damage to himself before they start like
Speaker 1: trading shots. And that's really the one I'm really willing
Speaker 1: to see if Trump is able to just bully everyone
Speaker 1: into being like, Okay, fine, you're the fucking nominee, like
Speaker 1: you know, or if they're going to try and find
Speaker 1: a different strategy. But I don't know that. The one
Speaker 1: thing with the Republicans is they're not very elastic when
Speaker 1: it comes to white supremacy and letting you know, the
Speaker 1: Nazison to the party. They will stretch the ship out
Speaker 1: of that direction. They can bend that way, sure, yes,
Speaker 1: but that's one thing they can do. That's one thing
Speaker 1: they do well that the Democrats don't do is they
Speaker 1: can make people in their party fall into line, and
Speaker 1: the Democrats allergic to that. The Democrats, I feel like,
Speaker 1: aren't aligned with what the people who end up voting
Speaker 1: for them actually want, whereas the republic Blicans they're like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we just don't say that ship out loud, but we
Speaker 1: actually want the thing that you are voting for and
Speaker 1: that like you you want. Like ultimately, they're aligned with
Speaker 1: their base and the Democrats are have to like remain
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's even have to or want to,
Speaker 1: but they're ultimately beholden to, you know, corporations, and so
Speaker 1: you can't even really compare the two parties because the
Speaker 1: Democrats are like a corporate machine that is just doing
Speaker 1: the bidding of like unseen un speaking, like ultimately the
Speaker 1: most powerful people in the party, and they have this
Speaker 1: base that they have to like pretend like they're doing
Speaker 1: the bidding up. Whereas the Republicans, I think, have the
Speaker 1: the advantage of at least they the courage of their convictions,
Speaker 1: which are you know, being being white supremacists exploiting like
Speaker 1: white grievance politics. Yeah, yeah, because that is like the
Speaker 1: thing that like, yo, look we all get it right,
Speaker 1: we're mad at okay, we can move forward where yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hard for Democrats, like we get it. Working people
Speaker 1: need support and we need to stand by the unions
Speaker 1: in order to fight their employers for a better wage
Speaker 1: and cut to that rail world that the line go up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the ultimately they care about the line go up. I
Speaker 1: wonder if like eventually they're like, look, y'all will try
Speaker 1: and get you healthcare if you can figure out a
Speaker 1: way for y'all to have health care and make line
Speaker 1: go up. Right, If you can do that, then sure,
Speaker 1: like we're all ears, but everything y'all are talking about
Speaker 1: means line goes down for people we funk with, and
Speaker 1: that's you know, yeah, alright, well, speaking of systemic problems,
Speaker 1: want to kind of continue talking to you series about
Speaker 1: just you know, you've been reporting three years now of
Speaker 1: just this systemic problem of unaccountable police violence in Los
Speaker 1: Angeles and the similarity of the stories is shocking, like
Speaker 1: each one is this cataclysmic failure of human rights and
Speaker 1: of just you know, any sort of anything that anyone
Speaker 1: would think of as a civilized family. Like it's just
Speaker 1: but over and over again, you know, the police or
Speaker 1: the sheriff's shoot or maim someone many times in front
Speaker 1: of their family. The person in questions often you know,
Speaker 1: having a mental health crisis or doing some non violent
Speaker 1: offense like dealing marijuana. There's also, you know, an epidemic
Speaker 1: that you highlight of, like brutal beating of people in prison,
Speaker 1: like to death or near death while while handcuffed, and
Speaker 1: if the person isn't immediately killed, they often leave them
Speaker 1: to die with no medical attention. Oftentimes again in front
Speaker 1: of their loved ones, and then the officers make up
Speaker 1: a lie, not like many times, not even really attempting
Speaker 1: to make it believable, Like they'll plan a gun that
Speaker 1: doesn't even match their report, yeah, or they won't. It'll
Speaker 1: there was a ghost gun, yeah, but they'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a black gun. And then the gun they
Speaker 1: planned as a chrome gun, and they're just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got us. Because the lie, they don't even have
Speaker 1: to like do a meticulous job of lying because when
Speaker 1: they get caught, they just get sued for millions of
Speaker 1: dollars that comes from taxpayers, Like taxpayers pay for their
Speaker 1: funk ups, and then you know it's not not only
Speaker 1: is it not addressed at a systemic level, the officers
Speaker 1: in question are either like left to continue doing the
Speaker 1: same job and like oftentimes kill other people, were made
Speaker 1: to retire and collect like huge pensions, again paid for
Speaker 1: by taxpayers. And it's just I don't know, it's really
Speaker 1: startling to you know, read it in your original peace
Speaker 1: and hear it, you know, in your reporting in the podcast.
Speaker 1: It's just like laid out side by side that like
Speaker 1: there's just nothing being done over and over and over again,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean I don't know, like we're we're
Speaker 1: also seeing like, how do you think you've you're you've
Speaker 1: done so much amazing like detailed reporting about Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: Do you hear from people in other parts of the
Speaker 1: country saying that they see similar things happening where they are? Oh? Yes,
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly so. I've heard from people, and I want to
Speaker 1: say twenty different states that have either been victims of
Speaker 1: what they believe to be police gang violence or even
Speaker 1: I've heard from police officers that reach out to me
Speaker 1: and say, I am really concerned about what I think
Speaker 1: is a gang within my department. Right, Yeah, is it
Speaker 1: like just operating pretty much in the exact same way
Speaker 1: like they have they have like their semiotics, their symbolism,
Speaker 1: they have tattoos or whatever names. It's not just sort
Speaker 1: of like, oh, that station is kind of out of control,
Speaker 1: like they have a like identity as well. They do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're doing activities that mean, well, what we have
Speaker 1: in the California Penal Code as the standard of the gang,
Speaker 1: which is three or more people, they have a common
Speaker 1: name or unifying symbol or hand gesture. They are committing
Speaker 1: criminal offenses and they are doing that in order to
Speaker 1: further the reputation of the gang. Yeah, do you think
Speaker 1: it's like I feel like it's just like any social
Speaker 1: setting like that that people get in groups or whatever,
Speaker 1: and in this case, when you have people who are
Speaker 1: armed and can just kill with impunity like that, like
Speaker 1: that almost that this gang thing is probably it's safe
Speaker 1: to believe that it more than not, it's probably existing
Speaker 1: in someone's city, I would say so. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's stuff sinitely corruption happening in your city that's not
Speaker 1: unique to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Apartment. The you know,
Speaker 1: the tactics that are used by the l A. S D.
Speaker 1: I've seen repeated across the country and there are lots
Speaker 1: of you know, stories by other journalists that break down
Speaker 1: these tactics that completely mirror what we're seeing in Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: What we're what what's happening in the l A County
Speaker 1: Sheriff's Apartment with deputy gangs. It's probably the most well
Speaker 1: known gang issue, but it certainly isn't the only one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really they the just lack of accountability and the
Speaker 1: like they feel like drunk on power. Sometimes they're just
Speaker 1: drunk but just doing whatever the funk they want it
Speaker 1: like it's it feels like a fraternity or you know,
Speaker 1: like a like some ivy league school full of like
Speaker 1: rich kids have just never seen a consequence in their
Speaker 1: life because they there's just this institutional knowledge that they
Speaker 1: can get away with fucking anything they want, and the
Speaker 1: the only thing that they seem motivated by is not
Speaker 1: keeping anyone safe, but insisting on their own right to
Speaker 1: basically kill people at will. Like that's the thing that
Speaker 1: seems to really motivate them is when that is threatened,
Speaker 1: when that's questioned, they really seem to get that. That's
Speaker 1: when they come together and do a lot of damage.
Speaker 1: Is anytime they feel like somebody's going to criticize them
Speaker 1: or make it so that systemic advantage is not there
Speaker 1: for them, right exactly. There's a quote, I think and
Speaker 1: the jump Out Boys episode where they they're like Booklet,
Speaker 1: They're like gang. Book defines them as alpha dogs who
Speaker 1: think and act like the wolf, but never become the wolf,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if it's like an overt reference
Speaker 1: or if it's just heavily influenced by the teachings of
Speaker 1: David Grossman, who we've talked about on this show. But
Speaker 1: he's this former army ranger who goes around like teaching
Speaker 1: cops to think about the places the police as enemy
Speaker 1: territory and that's like warrior mentality, right, yeah, warrior mentality.
Speaker 1: His his quote unquote science is called killology, and he's
Speaker 1: basically yeah, he's he calls himself America's top police trainer,
Speaker 1: and that sounds like he's like bragging, but he teaches
Speaker 1: you know, countless police forces to basically kill at a
Speaker 1: moment's notice and not feel guilty about it. And it's
Speaker 1: it's just straight up like I mean, his backgrounds military
Speaker 1: and he's you know, giving police forces this marine training,
Speaker 1: this you know, like just systematizing of like killing and
Speaker 1: violence and like that. It's a it's a nationwide kind
Speaker 1: of program that he's gotten rich by just like putting
Speaker 1: out there. And the thing he always talks about is
Speaker 1: like you gotta have the wolf mentality, and like, because
Speaker 1: there's wolves and we're sheep dogs, but we have to
Speaker 1: be able to think. It gets very complicated and like
Speaker 1: you need a fucking flow chart to like know who's
Speaker 1: the sheep dog and who's the wolf. And when you're
Speaker 1: acting like a wolf, but you're a sheep and wolves
Speaker 1: clothing and all this ship. But ultimately his belief, like
Speaker 1: for instance, with the Black Lives Matter protests, his state
Speaker 1: of belief is that they need to be more prepared
Speaker 1: to use force because of the Black Lives Matter protests,
Speaker 1: because you know, he was a big spreader of the
Speaker 1: live that like the Black Lives Matter protesters were trying
Speaker 1: to kill cops, which you know comes up in your
Speaker 1: show that like that's just a thing that they really
Speaker 1: want to fucking believe and have no support for that,
Speaker 1: like when people are protesting them that they're actually trying
Speaker 1: to harm them? What what's the mentality like stories like
Speaker 1: because they're we've seen clips where you know, like people
Speaker 1: interview cops like John burn Thaw in his podcast he
Speaker 1: has like this other copies like where do you think
Speaker 1: all this police reform stuff coming from? Man? Like that's
Speaker 1: literally were like, yo, what sort how like you know,
Speaker 1: like with the added scrutiny with like like reporting like
Speaker 1: yours and things like that, is there even awareness within
Speaker 1: the departments like that they're like, hey, maybe we need
Speaker 1: to tone it down or are they completely like on
Speaker 1: some like self righteous ship where they're like not not
Speaker 1: not like these people are tripping. These people are tripped.
Speaker 1: Most most police officers that I speak to are very
Speaker 1: in favor of reform of oversight. A few of them
Speaker 1: even say that they need less money in the department.
Speaker 1: That's another sentiment I hear a lot. They won't use
Speaker 1: the words defund the police, but they will say we
Speaker 1: do not need a budget, we don't need more money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they say we don't need more we do
Speaker 1: not need more money, and we certainly don't need all
Speaker 1: the money that we're getting. And yeah, I and that.
Speaker 1: And that's police officers that I speak to you across
Speaker 1: the political spectrum, Democrats, Republicans, they all for the most
Speaker 1: part agree that, yeah, there is a huge issue going on.
Speaker 1: We do need more accountability, we need more oversight that
Speaker 1: is not coming from inside the Sheriff's department. It needs
Speaker 1: to be an outside third party. And yes, we could
Speaker 1: do with less money, and we should do it with
Speaker 1: less money. Yeah, it's almost unbelievable. Some of them even
Speaker 1: say we should get rid of the department. And that's
Speaker 1: coming from both sides of the political spectrum as well.
Speaker 1: Is that because they're saying, like I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: good we're doing anymore or exactly. They think they think
Speaker 1: that they're doing more harm than good, and they think
Speaker 1: that the department is so far gone that it can't
Speaker 1: be saved. Yeah. It seems like a lot of the
Speaker 1: police that you interview, our former police officers, they have
Speaker 1: this experience up close with like detailed, you know, just
Speaker 1: seeing the corruption encountering like what happens when someone tries
Speaker 1: to address the corruption. And Yeah, that like it's understandable
Speaker 1: that they're like, I don't know, this is this is hopeless. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do you feel with Robert Luna coming
Speaker 1: in in terms of you know, like his potential to
Speaker 1: you know, obviously be somewhat better than Viennueva. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: bar is really on the floor there. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Robert Luna would have to do a lot of really
Speaker 1: truly awful ship to get on really anyone's bad side
Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, I'm hopeful that you know, we
Speaker 1: can see a return to normalcy in the Sheriff's department
Speaker 1: um and we've already seen that. I mean, I've never
Speaker 1: I don't think there would be a chance in hell
Speaker 1: in the prior four years for me to interview Sheriff
Speaker 1: Alex Bianueva. But I was able to interview now Sheriff Luna,
Speaker 1: which you Sherif vienn Aueva like bounced me out of
Speaker 1: his press conferences. So that's that's already, that's pretty positive.
Speaker 1: He's willing to speak, So yeah, right, yeah, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll see, we'll see what happens. I don't
Speaker 1: think that, you know, he singlehandedly can eliminate the deputy
Speaker 1: gang issue in four years. I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 1: fifty year problem and he's one man. And I think
Speaker 1: that he understands that it's a deeply entrenched issue that's
Speaker 1: going to take, you know, some serious overhaul. And I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see, you know, what the Lunar administration is
Speaker 1: going to look like and what it means to have
Speaker 1: Robert Luna is the sheriff of Los Angeles County. Yeah there.
Speaker 1: I mean, Vienueva came to power on like as a
Speaker 1: quote unquote progressive Democrat, but he, like your podcast, like
Speaker 1: really exposed the like he was connected already to like
Speaker 1: Kevin Daily oone and like some of some of these
Speaker 1: people who have now been out it as white supremacists.
Speaker 1: So it's this deeply entrenched, you know, problems. So that
Speaker 1: was like, I guess something that was making me feel
Speaker 1: less hopeful about Luna as like well the end a
Speaker 1: wave that came in and was claiming that he was
Speaker 1: going to reform things, and he was like worse than
Speaker 1: like created more of a problem. And so what's to
Speaker 1: be different about this guy? And it does seem like
Speaker 1: there's a difference because of your reporting and because of
Speaker 1: you know, some of the systemic white supremacy that's being
Speaker 1: exposed just throughout the political machine in Los Angeles, and
Speaker 1: much more, much more to be exposed. Yeah, right, of course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take a quick break and then we'll
Speaker 1: come back and talk about some that AI selfie art
Speaker 1: app that everyone's buying. And we're back and yeah, lensa AI.
Speaker 1: You might see this if you use photo and video
Speaker 1: apps and on your iPhone, but it is at number
Speaker 1: one in the iOS app store. It will basically take
Speaker 1: you send a bunch of photos of yourself and the
Speaker 1: app generates avatars of you that look like they were
Speaker 1: created by a digital artist, but we're actually created by
Speaker 1: an AI. And I don't know. The examples are like
Speaker 1: I can see the appeal like they look they look
Speaker 1: like Marvel movie like movie posters or something something like
Speaker 1: the concept aren't for a Marvel film. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: perfect description. Yeah. There they put you as the star
Speaker 1: of your own Marvel film. Complete also with like they'll
Speaker 1: they'll just like women, they give like huge boobs even
Speaker 1: if you're just them like a picture of your face. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and give you enormous dance. Thank you Lenza, Like this
Speaker 1: is you? What do you think this was a human
Speaker 1: being that you were sending this ship to? And then
Speaker 1: here I gave you, uh no shirt and like massive boobs.
Speaker 1: I said, I just wanted something nice with me and
Speaker 1: my dog, like on a mountain or like you're the
Speaker 1: ocean or something. Are wanted mountains on? I made you
Speaker 1: a sexy Viking? Is that cool? Yeah? But you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: anytime there's an app that you're just feeding raw pictures
Speaker 1: of your face, there's concerns about the history of privacy
Speaker 1: issues involving apps that do that. And then there's all
Speaker 1: there's this difference though, well, how's that, they say, because
Speaker 1: the second it's done, you like analyzing your face, it
Speaker 1: deletes all those images, at least from that particular. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly tell you about is the other sound. They also
Speaker 1: say that that so their privacy policy is somewhat eyebrow raising.
Speaker 1: It states that while they don't use your photos for
Speaker 1: any reason other than to apply different stylized filters or
Speaker 1: effects to them, they also state that you grant them
Speaker 1: certain rights to use your photos, right, Like the ones
Speaker 1: that come out the other end of the machine are
Speaker 1: the ones you feed it? Like are they trying to say,
Speaker 1: like whatever is made from here is like also like
Speaker 1: our intellectual property or that what you feed it? Like
Speaker 1: that selfie too, I'm sure there's like I'm sure that
Speaker 1: we use it some like before and after pictures to
Speaker 1: be like look at it, look at this sad sack
Speaker 1: that gave us this picture, and look how cool we
Speaker 1: made him look? You know, like where, for instance, where
Speaker 1: are we we have to sample images of two different
Speaker 1: human beings a woman and a man? Like leading off
Speaker 1: this article, our writer jam pasted them in who are
Speaker 1: those people and why? Like are they just employees or
Speaker 1: like we don't know, you know, and they're they're probably
Speaker 1: using people's pictures to one on the left, Yeah, wait,
Speaker 1: the Katie Harye. Maybe it looked like Katy Perry, please
Speaker 1: hit me like one of your pop deepers talking to
Speaker 1: a Yeah, but yeah, there's there's also the concern that
Speaker 1: it's just overly sexualized. That one user like submitted photos
Speaker 1: of her face and got just like a seventies porn
Speaker 1: van like artistic treatment where she's like her boobs are
Speaker 1: out and like in bras but like just out in
Speaker 1: four of the pictures, or like two two of the
Speaker 1: pictures that they provided, two of the four. And there's
Speaker 1: also the standard racism, like in this case, the app
Speaker 1: struggles with Asian faces according to people who yeah, it
Speaker 1: struggled with me, I'm not in Asian, but you didn't.
Speaker 1: It put me in yellow face, like straight up put
Speaker 1: me in yellow face. And it also I was really
Speaker 1: pissed because like the photos that I did get, the
Speaker 1: photos actually looked like a human person. They put me
Speaker 1: in yellow face, which was just offensive. And most of
Speaker 1: my photos, like I thought I was really ugly for
Speaker 1: like a good five minutes there before I looked in
Speaker 1: the mirror and remembered who the funk I was. But
Speaker 1: it struggles with like, if you're not white like I was,
Speaker 1: my features were legit like smudges I had like cone
Speaker 1: shaped like potato head like process. You're like non Western
Speaker 1: European features. Truly, it's too bad this is an audio
Speaker 1: podcast because like some of this stuff is like really
Speaker 1: like I had to save it because I was just
Speaker 1: like the lord, like really really bad, like god threes
Speaker 1: what what is that that is so brutal? That has nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean it looks like the shape of your face,
Speaker 1: but that's no, that's like it's wold that these white
Speaker 1: people are getting like all these like they're like, wow,
Speaker 1: look at me, I'm looking good. And this one was
Speaker 1: like this looks like someone like rubbed their hand on
Speaker 1: an oil painting of right, or like that that woman
Speaker 1: who tried to restore the Gesus looks like the woman
Speaker 1: restored the Jesus. It's right, right, right, and you end
Speaker 1: up looking like a sloth or something. What the funk
Speaker 1: was that? Oh my gosh, Asian faces. Everybody's wait, how
Speaker 1: did you do it? So you have to pay for
Speaker 1: this app? You are a journalist and ask questions internalist, Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't ask the questions right right, right, Well, I
Speaker 1: was just asking people that had done it before. I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, like I'm seeing that, like you have
Speaker 1: to pay for it, like I really don't want to,
Speaker 1: and a friend of mine had signed up. You can
Speaker 1: either sign up for the free trial where you can
Speaker 1: sign up and subscribe for forty bucks, and my friend
Speaker 1: subscribed for forty bucks and got unlimited avatars. So they
Speaker 1: blessed me with Jesus. The other concern about the app,
Speaker 1: besides the fact that it is clearly you know, channeling
Speaker 1: some corny guy and also that it is racist, is
Speaker 1: that it is just trying to replace artists. Like one
Speaker 1: of the pictures that they created still had a signature
Speaker 1: on it because they had so thoroughly ripped off like
Speaker 1: someone deviant art, I'm assuming, and they so their signature
Speaker 1: was like still in the corner of of the thing
Speaker 1: that of the avatar that they created because they you know,
Speaker 1: that's how much they were using it for the basis
Speaker 1: of the of the avatar. Yeah. Well, now people are
Speaker 1: trying to pull you know, their intellectual property off the
Speaker 1: Internet so it doesn't end up becoming like you know,
Speaker 1: inspiration right or whatever for these day as I think
Speaker 1: it's a fucking slippery slope. Like jeez, there are so
Speaker 1: many great artists on on like deviant Art and places
Speaker 1: like that, just go find one you like and pay
Speaker 1: them to like yeah, and that you can actually be like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is actually offensive if it's not good,
Speaker 1: you know, like I paid to not look smudgy, please. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But people are they like they're asked photography agencies to
Speaker 1: scrub their work from the Internet, and I think it's
Speaker 1: completely understandable. I don't know, I guess this doesn't really
Speaker 1: like relate to the other ai that like can write
Speaker 1: about peanut butter sandwiches being lodged in a VCR in
Speaker 1: the voice of the King James Bible. But right still,
Speaker 1: that that is the death of authorship is something that
Speaker 1: I think we're facing a little bit. We we already
Speaker 1: kind of face it. Like if you've ever written a
Speaker 1: joke and then just seen it completely stolen and you know,
Speaker 1: have your name taken off of it, Like you understand that,
Speaker 1: Like the memification, the way the Internet like just memifies
Speaker 1: anything that's funny is kind of already doing this. But
Speaker 1: this just completely this creates a machine that is just
Speaker 1: a machine for taking artists and individual vision out of
Speaker 1: the artistic process. Yeah, m hm, well, I mean it's
Speaker 1: always interesting to see because like they're that always felt
Speaker 1: like they're all these like you know think pieces written
Speaker 1: like twenty years ago about like the future of automation
Speaker 1: or AI, and they're like, you know, if you're in
Speaker 1: the creative fields or like like using your intellect like
Speaker 1: journalism or something like that may help stave off your obsolescence. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, like once the computers like become you know,
Speaker 1: very very smart, but you're already beginning to see like
Speaker 1: even that one chat GPT thing it it definitely knows
Speaker 1: what a shape of an answer looks like. You know,
Speaker 1: sometimes the actual information isn't right, but it sounds right.
Speaker 1: And that's what's like really interesting too. When you see
Speaker 1: these you know, ais begin to really refine those kinds
Speaker 1: of skills. And at least that one passed the Nazi test,
Speaker 1: so we'll see if Lenzo one does. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: be surprised of it. Then it just gives you Hitler
Speaker 1: with big boobs or something like Frea is always such
Speaker 1: a pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist. Where can
Speaker 1: people find you? Follow you continue to enjoy your work.
Speaker 1: You can find and follow me on Instagram and TikTok
Speaker 1: at your majesty Little Crown throwback there. The last name
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Speaker 1: long as it'll be here at series Castle. Yeah, great,
Speaker 1: follow everybody should go follow her right now? Is there
Speaker 1: a tweet or some other work of social media you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying? Something that I'm enjoying on social media is
Speaker 1: actually it's artwork by a young creator of color that
Speaker 1: is posting their work on the Internet. They haven't scrubbed
Speaker 1: it yet because of Flensa. And this person does anime
Speaker 1: of Abbott Elementary. It's it's shipper anime of Abbott Elementary
Speaker 1: featuring Janine Tigues and Ava Coleman and oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: it is very spicy. Please go check it out over
Speaker 1: mid lends a jealous with that one. Yeah, Miles, where
Speaker 1: can people find you? What the tweet you've been enjoying
Speaker 1: at Miles of Gray where they got at Symbols. You
Speaker 1: can also find us Jack and Miles on our other
Speaker 1: basketball podcast, Miles and Jack Got Mad Boosty's uh we're
Speaker 1: you know, we just get to scream about the NBA
Speaker 1: Love of ours And then also checked me and Sophia
Speaker 1: Alexandra out on our other podcast for Twenty Day Fiance,
Speaker 1: where we're talking ninety day fiance, just watching that whole
Speaker 1: dumpster fire unfold before our eyes. A tweet. I like
Speaker 1: a few people put this tweet on my radar, but
Speaker 1: I got a shot out at Wapple House, Christie, I'm
Speaker 1: a Gucci main who m me said, I think you're
Speaker 1: gonna like this tweet and it's from Socialist dog Mom.
Speaker 1: At Socialist dog Mom. I was using Pacer just to
Speaker 1: look up some court records and stumbled upon this, said, okay,
Speaker 1: never mind, it was all worth it just to accidentally
Speaker 1: stumble across this exchange between a judge and a prosecutor
Speaker 1: and a federal agent where only the judge knows who
Speaker 1: Biggie Smalls is. And I'm just gonna read you this
Speaker 1: back and forth from the court stretch script. This is
Speaker 1: I think one of the this is the prosecutor, Miss Coker.
Speaker 1: Uh no further questions, your honor, the judge. I've got
Speaker 1: a follow up question about the Biggie Smallest lyric, Miss Coker?
Speaker 1: What about the what I'm sorry, the judge about the
Speaker 1: Biggie Smalls lyric? I got seven maca Levin's about eight
Speaker 1: thirty eight nine nins. That's a Biggie Smalls lyric? Are
Speaker 1: we looking for those firearms? The witness, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't recognize that. The judge. This is in the
Speaker 1: government's Exhibit eight, where it says I've got seven maca
Speaker 1: Levins about eight thirty eight nine nins. That's a rap
Speaker 1: lyric for e secutor. I'm the judge. The Court's independently
Speaker 1: aware of that, and it's a what I'm not understanding
Speaker 1: the words, sir, I apologize the judge. So if you
Speaker 1: look on page eight, yes, Government's Exhibit eight, page one,
Speaker 1: the prosecutor, yes, the judge where he says I'll need
Speaker 1: a list of AMMO to get Then he says, I
Speaker 1: got seven maca Levin's about eight thirty eight nine nins.
Speaker 1: I understand the rest. We're about to get three oh
Speaker 1: eight twelve gauge pigeons. That's a genuine shopping list. But
Speaker 1: that to me seems like he's just tossing a Biggie
Speaker 1: Smalls lyric into the chat. The witness, I don't recognize
Speaker 1: the lyrics, is what I'm saying, sir. The court. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that is the Biggie smallest lyric. The prosecutor, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm still not understanding the word. I apologize the judge
Speaker 1: Biggie Smalls. Biggie Smalls is a dead rapper, Miss Coker. Oh,
Speaker 1: the court. It's a lyric from a song by the
Speaker 1: dead rapper Biggie Smalls. The prosecutor got it, the judge.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of other stuff going on here. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other stuff going on here. You
Speaker 1: should be ashamed to yourself. Wow about nine nine ten
Speaker 1: mac tens. Ships never ends? Come on, we all know
Speaker 1: that one. Not the prosecution, Yeah, definitely not. It's like
Speaker 1: to be so like, huh, I don't know what. I'm
Speaker 1: not small, it's a wrapper. These are the people who
Speaker 1: are so in touch with everything you that are prosecuting
Speaker 1: for the federal compment. Uh. Tweet I've been enjoying from
Speaker 1: store and Booie tweeted. My daughter falling asleep for a
Speaker 1: rainy day nap feels my cheek with her tiny hands
Speaker 1: as I lay beside her. Yuck. She says softly. That's
Speaker 1: just kids are mean, Like a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: people give them a lot of breaks for you know,
Speaker 1: being cute and all this ship that they are. They're
Speaker 1: really mean. Yeah, just def why now. You can find
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Speaker 1: that we talked about in today's episode, as well as
Speaker 1: a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles, what
Speaker 1: song do we think people might enjoy? Okay, We're going
Speaker 1: with some more deep African tracks that I'm finding. This
Speaker 1: one is from the artist at so a t a
Speaker 1: k a k u Ghanaian artist who like made this
Speaker 1: mixtape like in when like this dude lived in Chicago
Speaker 1: like as a student and like made a couple of
Speaker 1: cassettes and then some like music dude found the tape
Speaker 1: and then like resurrected it and then this this guy,
Speaker 1: now like thirty years later is like has a career
Speaker 1: because they're like, Yo, this ship is really good and
Speaker 1: it's like this whole tape is super d i y,
Speaker 1: but it's like you clearly you could feel like there's
Speaker 1: like Chicago house influences in it, but he's like rapping
Speaker 1: and twee like a Ghanaian lane which and he's but
Speaker 1: like it's funky as ship. So this is like a
Speaker 1: really dope cut. It's called Oba sema o b A
Speaker 1: A s I m A by a coq a t
Speaker 1: A k A k and it's check it out. It's
Speaker 1: like super out there, uh, super retro, super d i y,
Speaker 1: but like he has so much heart and it's just
Speaker 1: nice to see like these things where someone just made
Speaker 1: a tape when they were younger and then people are like, yo,
Speaker 1: the ship fucking goals and he's like, okay, I'll dour
Speaker 1: in my sixtink. You're sure the name is not a
Speaker 1: reference to Moving Out by Billy Joel where he says
Speaker 1: a heart attack. Okay, no, definitely not. The Daily Zeitgeis
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