Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season to sixty seven,
Speaker 1: episode four of Dirt Ali's Ice Day production of I
Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take a
Speaker 1: deep dive into America's shared consciousness. And it is Thursday, December.
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Speaker 1: like yeah up yeah, And then I jinxed you last
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Speaker 1: and I was like, I texted you for us, and
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Speaker 1: we are a lot of people don't realize this, but
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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show. George Caraman, Wow, I'm here.
Speaker 1: What an introduction. I wish I could be introduced like
Speaker 1: that just every day, all the time. Hier. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm dude, you guys, you guys are good hype man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What's that? What's that? What was that position called when
Speaker 1: like somebody entered a party back in the rich white
Speaker 1: people days and they're like Jacques O'Brien, O'Brian family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you love the O'Brien's. Yeah, what's what was that called? Caller?
Speaker 1: Was that their only job? The caller? The caller, the crier,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, town crier. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: that feels like and then would they fucking like shape
Speaker 1: you if you're like, yo, they didn't have like the
Speaker 1: Bruce Buffer of criers over the Yeah, they had some
Speaker 1: mother Oh wait, no, Bruce Buffer is the off brand one, right,
Speaker 1: it's his brother, Michael Buffer, Michael real Buffer. Yeah, they said,
Speaker 1: oh they got Bruce Buffer, not Michael Buffer. I don't
Speaker 1: know that I could differentiate between the two of them,
Speaker 1: but maybe underestimating my skills, Michael Buffer is the hands
Speaker 1: more handsome one. Like he looks like the Michael Buffer
Speaker 1: of the two. His brother looks like off brand Michael Buffer.
Speaker 1: And you're like, man, they need Michael Buffer. And you're like,
Speaker 1: that's his brother. Man, he's Michael Buffer. Michael Buffer is
Speaker 1: Michael Buffer. Yeah, George, how are you doing. I'm good, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm good. I can't complain, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Sun is shining as it usually is. Yeah, I'm good
Speaker 1: here in sunny California. Yeah, you guys don't, alright, enjoy
Speaker 1: the cold? Yeah? Yeah it is nice and chili. We
Speaker 1: we don't get a lot of that. Although it was
Speaker 1: back east this week and was got got my phil
Speaker 1: cold weather taking a dog for a walk and the
Speaker 1: cold weather is nice. See, I like the cold weather.
Speaker 1: But the thing is when I'm from New York, from
Speaker 1: the city, and when I go back, like I was
Speaker 1: back for Thanksgiving, I don't mind the cold, but literally,
Speaker 1: like you do not get but fifteen seconds of sunshine
Speaker 1: hitting your body, right, I mean, because even if it's sunny,
Speaker 1: to get the buildings blah, it's just like a short day.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what messes me up, Like that's
Speaker 1: what causes the seasonal depression thing where I'm like I
Speaker 1: need that starlight on my scam, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like for a little bit. And I think that's it's
Speaker 1: that for me more than the cold. Yeah, because like
Speaker 1: like walking like mid day through Manhattan, like you're like
Speaker 1: I'm forever in the shadows of these skyscrapers, and then
Speaker 1: it's like jarring when you get to like Central Park
Speaker 1: and it opens up a little bit, like yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: feel like a vampire you get this, and it's like real, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, George, we're gonna get to know you
Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna
Speaker 1: tell our listeners a few of the things we're talking
Speaker 1: about today, we're gonna talk about the Supreme Court just
Speaker 1: just getting turned up at a partisan holiday party. Yeah
Speaker 1: it was Brett, Brett Kavanaugh. We know, we know how
Speaker 1: he feels about beer. He was kicking it with all
Speaker 1: the the coolest of the cool on the right. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about the fusion breakthrough,
Speaker 1: and my cynical side immediately asks the question, how are
Speaker 1: we going to funk this up? I think I have
Speaker 1: some idea And we're even going to talk about Fox
Speaker 1: News freaking out over a tiny libraries Christmas decorations, and
Speaker 1: the first shots in this year's war on Christmas have
Speaker 1: been fired, and the battle was won by Jesse Waters.
Speaker 1: According to Jesse Waters, like they got mad at the
Speaker 1: decorations in a fucking public library. In a public library
Speaker 1: that was fully decorated with Christmas decorate. It had a
Speaker 1: big wreath on the door. Yeahs wrapping station, and they
Speaker 1: were like, where's the tree. It was more like interior
Speaker 1: decorating criticism than anything like it. We'll get to it
Speaker 1: all of that plenty more. But first, George, we like
Speaker 1: to ask our guest, what is something from your search history? Okay,
Speaker 1: so from my recent search history is what is a
Speaker 1: silent heart attack? And did I have one? Yeah? The
Speaker 1: second part was more the motivation for what is a
Speaker 1: silent heart attack? Because silent heart attacks are a real
Speaker 1: thing that I didn't know about until I thought I
Speaker 1: was having one. I don't think I did have one,
Speaker 1: but of heart attacks are silent, which means you're not like,
Speaker 1: you don't have the thought, oh, I'm having a heart attack.
Speaker 1: You might be make the experience discomfort and whatnot. But
Speaker 1: the thought I was having was like, am I about
Speaker 1: to have a heart attack? And then I learned later
Speaker 1: that actually, if you have that thought, you might have
Speaker 1: already had. That's trouble out. Yeah. I remember reading about
Speaker 1: this a number of years ago and feeling like, well,
Speaker 1: what the fuck? This isn't this? This is Yeah. This
Speaker 1: dude I used to perform with like, he like a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, was like posted, He's like, man,
Speaker 1: I got this weird job pain. And then two days
Speaker 1: later he's like, y'all, I had a fucking heart attack
Speaker 1: and I had no fucking idea. He's like, I had
Speaker 1: this weird neck pain. It wasn't like, you know, it
Speaker 1: wasn't like the movies. You're like grabbing your left arm
Speaker 1: and ship. He was like it was this weird tightness
Speaker 1: in my neck and my chest, and I was just
Speaker 1: kind of disoriented. And then I went like he's like
Speaker 1: luckily my partner was like, go to the fucking awesome.
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, yeah, you had a heart attack just now. Damn.
Speaker 1: It's scary, but it's crazy, and and a lot of
Speaker 1: people will like not even know until months later they
Speaker 1: go to the doctor and run some tests for like
Speaker 1: something else and like, oh, by the way, you had
Speaker 1: a heart attack. By the way, you're a three heart
Speaker 1: attacks deep my friend yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Oh you didn't.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's I just thought that's how you were living. Okay, No, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're good with that, right, Yeah, that's wild. So did
Speaker 1: you did you look into it? Have you been to
Speaker 1: the doctor to find Yeah? I did. I had been
Speaker 1: meaning to go to a cardiologist anyway, cause I have
Speaker 1: like a family history of stuff, which is another reason why,
Speaker 1: like you know, I takes over. We're like, oh, here,
Speaker 1: there we go. Because my my dad had a heart attack,
Speaker 1: like grandfather died of a heart attack. But they were
Speaker 1: both big time smokers back in the day. So I
Speaker 1: always thought I don't smoke, so I always thought like, well,
Speaker 1: that's why. But then like when you experienced things and
Speaker 1: the way it happened for me to dude, this is
Speaker 1: so fucking stupid. I was going hard in a sauna
Speaker 1: cold plunge situation, and I was doing twenty minutes on
Speaker 1: a five minute plunge three times in a row, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm fucking let's go. Fuck yeah, And like
Speaker 1: the third plunge, I was like, man, I really don't
Speaker 1: want to go in, but I was like pushing myself
Speaker 1: like no, you can do it, like blah blah. And there's,
Speaker 1: by the way, there's like eighty year old men in
Speaker 1: this maybe not for five minutes, but like it's not
Speaker 1: like you know, like they're old dudes in there. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, I'm fine, jump in that third one.
Speaker 1: And I got through it, and it wasn't until afterwards,
Speaker 1: but dude, I couldn't even finish a sentence without having
Speaker 1: to take like a like deep deep breath to the
Speaker 1: whole day and then I look, oh, and then I
Speaker 1: woke up later that night with like heartburn, but I
Speaker 1: hadn't even anything crazy. And that's another symptom and all
Speaker 1: this ship. So I started freaking out because like you
Speaker 1: start doing the like amateur medical professional google situation and
Speaker 1: it just gets bad. But I went to a cardiologist
Speaker 1: and he ran like, um, just like a simple thing,
Speaker 1: and he was like, look, it's not accurate, but like
Speaker 1: you most likely did not, but we can run more
Speaker 1: tests if you want. So I'm gonna get more tests on.
Speaker 1: But him saying I don't think you had one made
Speaker 1: me feel like immediately a thousand times. He was also
Speaker 1: carrying a bag of golf clubs and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're good, bro, I know you're right them dude, that's
Speaker 1: I fucking I don't know what you guys. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not down with doctors, Like I know they do
Speaker 1: great work. God damn that the arrogance and the condescension
Speaker 1: you get is like shut up, dude, you need to
Speaker 1: find It's It's like I remember being put off by
Speaker 1: like one of my last doctors because like they were complete,
Speaker 1: like they completely botched like tests that they had to do,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what happened with them? Tests are
Speaker 1: like oh you and get them and I'm like no,
Speaker 1: They're like, oh you know what we didn't mis send
Speaker 1: the sample? Can you come back in? And I was
Speaker 1: like what the fuck? You were in there being like, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta we want to like make sure we get
Speaker 1: a whole blood panel all this. I'm like, the fuck.
Speaker 1: And it's like little things like that. I get, like
Speaker 1: anything you're at work and things fall through the cracks,
Speaker 1: But at times, like my intent is up because like
Speaker 1: I was of a family history of like like you know,
Speaker 1: not great doctors letting ships slip through the cracks and
Speaker 1: people passing away and stuff. So I'm like, God, how
Speaker 1: do I like I need somebody and a lot of
Speaker 1: people like just use you know, zok doc or those
Speaker 1: other things you can kind of get an idea of
Speaker 1: like how well people are doing. But it's always like
Speaker 1: it's it's always a personal thing too, where you can
Speaker 1: kind of just want to sense that someone is, like
Speaker 1: you're a human being that's concerned about their health, and
Speaker 1: I get that for sure, rather than like yeo, man,
Speaker 1: I'm about to tee off in my fifty It's true.
Speaker 1: It's it's funny, like I feel like the way I
Speaker 1: judge doctors just more just like would I hang out
Speaker 1: with you, like like you know, what I mean, like
Speaker 1: if we if you were at a family dinner, would
Speaker 1: I be like, Oh, that guy's all right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Versus like, are you actually super qualified medically,
Speaker 1: which is probably the way I should do it, But
Speaker 1: it's it's that super qualification thing that makes them think
Speaker 1: I feel like that, like yeah, whatever I say, it's true.
Speaker 1: And it's like, you don't know what's happening. Most of
Speaker 1: being a doctor is just playing detective with your body,
Speaker 1: like you don't happening, you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: they say the most important aspect of how good a
Speaker 1: doctor is, like how much patients respond and how well
Speaker 1: they do, is their empathy, like their level of empathy,
Speaker 1: and not like their credentials or whatever. That makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my wife is a doctor, so I I do have
Speaker 1: to say there are some good doctors. No that this
Speaker 1: isn't even the cast dis versions on the medical profession
Speaker 1: at there's plenty that are fucked up. It's just a sense.
Speaker 1: It's just like any feeling you have as a human
Speaker 1: being concerned obviously exponentially more concerned about your health than
Speaker 1: a doctor who's looking at you objectively and being like, no,
Speaker 1: you're good. But sometimes people are like, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I just mainlined web md for like eighteen hours straight,
Speaker 1: so like, can you hit me with like a few
Speaker 1: more lines of dialogue that will kind of both like
Speaker 1: blow this ship out of my mind and sometimes like yeah,
Speaker 1: you're good. One time I out a doctor be like, man,
Speaker 1: don't worry, man, just look, if something feels bad, just
Speaker 1: come in and that's when you catch you there's no
Speaker 1: point of worrying. And I was like, well, I thank
Speaker 1: you for that, like very zen like outlook, but like
Speaker 1: I just asked you seven questions and from there you
Speaker 1: couldn't get that. I'm a little like freaked out. Yeah, questions,
Speaker 1: one answer, don't worry about it. You're good. Well, there's
Speaker 1: no like there's no like you know how to deal
Speaker 1: with people training. I mean maybe there is a little bit,
Speaker 1: but that's what I mean where it's like it's got
Speaker 1: like I remember, dude, at one time I went to
Speaker 1: a walk in clinic because I thought I had an STD,
Speaker 1: and I explained it to you. It was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm working something going on, you know, and the guy
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that doesn't sound like an STD, but
Speaker 1: you know, put your pants down, let me see what's up?
Speaker 1: So I pulled the pants down and his is his reaction.
Speaker 1: He looks at my stuff and immediately goes huh. And
Speaker 1: I was like, what what is the subtext of hump?
Speaker 1: What then are you do? You don't you don't look
Speaker 1: at a man's junk and say huh? Then your record
Speaker 1: and wrote for forty five minutes exactly. I was like,
Speaker 1: what's hung Like Dick's hanging out? I was like feeling
Speaker 1: super vulnerable and weird. And then He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you just gotta like spray athletes foot stuff on your deck.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, cool, thanks, Wow, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know just that that kind of podcast, but you
Speaker 1: know we're going there. That's like a doctor like, did
Speaker 1: you just spray some connecting on you? That's what I did.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, you got any connecting? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean. And also the system is being taxed beyond
Speaker 1: like it it's I think it's a big systemic problem
Speaker 1: where America is choosing to just grit, grit it ignore
Speaker 1: its way through a pandemic. Yeah, and it's so hard
Speaker 1: because agains. Yeah, there's just so many disparities within it all.
Speaker 1: And yeah, like I said, I that's why I take
Speaker 1: my time to like really vibe out with doctors now
Speaker 1: and then when I find them like yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: good good good, because because especially in l A, I
Speaker 1: feel like there's a lot of like there's this model
Speaker 1: of like just like a doctor's office that just cranks
Speaker 1: out patients just to collect insurance money, you know, like
Speaker 1: where you're almost like is this for healthcare or is
Speaker 1: this to be like yeah, man, they got insurance. Man,
Speaker 1: just see him for anything and then send them out
Speaker 1: their way and we're just like collecting money. But look,
Speaker 1: that be the way it is out here. What is
Speaker 1: something you think is overrated? I think salads are overrated?
Speaker 1: Okay is the guy who thought he had a heart attack.
Speaker 1: That's very true. And I definitely eat way too much
Speaker 1: meat and I've tried to cut it back since uh
Speaker 1: since my last heart attack. But I will say, like
Speaker 1: the thing with salads, I've never fucked with them, and
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's just a genetic thing, like maybe
Speaker 1: my body just doesn't like the greens. But like you're
Speaker 1: never full, Like okay, it's not okay, it's not salads.
Speaker 1: It's when people are like I'll have a salad for
Speaker 1: my lunch. It's like, that's not a lunch, my dude,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like salads and a couple
Speaker 1: of pieces of chicken in there, that's not You're fucking
Speaker 1: starving in like an owl. Yeah, that's why I gotta
Speaker 1: you gotta get grains, you gotta get beans in there
Speaker 1: if it's gonna be I mean, I think the way
Speaker 1: I've only ever made a salad like fill me up
Speaker 1: is like going to like a salad bar like at
Speaker 1: a supermarket, filling the tub like to its absolute top,
Speaker 1: where I've basically eaten like two pounds of greens and
Speaker 1: a couple of pieces of chicken and a boiled egg.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, all right, that I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what I mean, Like you got it for me,
Speaker 1: The idea of like stuffing my body with like a
Speaker 1: pound of greens, I'm like, no, Like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know this ship is healthy, but like I don't
Speaker 1: think we're supposed to eat it like that, Like I
Speaker 1: think it's more of a grazing situation in my opinion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: straight meat eaten though, you know, I get it. When
Speaker 1: your bellies full off that meat, what can you do?
Speaker 1: I feel like the man. The man no sphere version
Speaker 1: of this would be like the only way to eat
Speaker 1: a salad is to like put it on the ground
Speaker 1: and graze it like a cow or something like you
Speaker 1: know how the river king like has that has like
Speaker 1: all these things, like it has to be natural. You
Speaker 1: have to be eating the way that you would have
Speaker 1: before the invention of utensils or something. Right, eat ahead
Speaker 1: of lettuce like a fucking apple, right all right, like
Speaker 1: ahead of cabbage like an apple. And they're like, that's
Speaker 1: what you do. And then also take like h G
Speaker 1: H for like fucking eight years, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: did liver King just get caught? Didn't get caught? Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I shocking. We're still kind of we haven't really
Speaker 1: fully covered it because we're still sort of bringing it
Speaker 1: into our world view because it really kind of upsets
Speaker 1: some things. For me, I thought that that was just
Speaker 1: giving him the build of a human cartoon. Just don't
Speaker 1: as long as you don't watch the dirt off the
Speaker 1: head of lettuce or off the potato things, better you
Speaker 1: better eat those potato bugs. Well it's something you think
Speaker 1: is underrated, all right, Well I have two for you guys.
Speaker 1: So the first one is also gonna be laughable considering
Speaker 1: my heart attack thing. But I do think cold showers
Speaker 1: are underrated. Now I'm not talking about like, you know,
Speaker 1: fifteen minute cold showers thing crazy, but if you're a
Speaker 1: morning person, like if you shower in the morning, a
Speaker 1: quick two minute cold shower, dude, wakes you the funk up.
Speaker 1: You do it before the hot or at the end
Speaker 1: of the hot I'm talking just cold, my man, you're
Speaker 1: washing yourself and yep, I'm a no hot kind of guy.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. It's gotta be. You have to
Speaker 1: be committed to taking a short shower right you're not.
Speaker 1: It's not one of those showers where you're like thinking
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. It's like a quick in and
Speaker 1: out shower, and it does suck. During the shower, it's
Speaker 1: never fun, But after you get out, it's like you
Speaker 1: had a couple of the cleannest coffee you've ever had,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you're just like locked in,
Speaker 1: ready to rock, feeling good about the day. So my
Speaker 1: wife is very into Huberman. Do you know hub yea, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're trying to get him on our podcast. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So he's like the Stanford Scientists, and he has all
Speaker 1: these like hacks and one of them is like the
Speaker 1: cold shower, and she got me to buy in and
Speaker 1: I did the cold shower, and I felt like ship
Speaker 1: for the rest of the day. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm like exhausted and yeah, like I have
Speaker 1: a cold for the rest of the day. So I
Speaker 1: think it like definitely works for I think some people
Speaker 1: for sure that like that the way you described as
Speaker 1: the way I always hear people describing it that it
Speaker 1: like ramps up your kind of energy and your adrenaline.
Speaker 1: And for me, it was just my body was like,
Speaker 1: you know, don't do that. Ever it might have it
Speaker 1: might have given you a silent heart attack. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly Like the whole day I could
Speaker 1: barely think And what's your other under it? I think
Speaker 1: that I think being underrated can be underrated, like when
Speaker 1: other people think you are are when other people underrate
Speaker 1: you or underrate something that's underrated because I think, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, it doesn't really matter if
Speaker 1: you're a performer river, but like let's say, let's say
Speaker 1: I assume you're a bad doctor. We're talking about doctors right,
Speaker 1: and then you come in and you're just like a
Speaker 1: normal doctor. Now I think you're a great doctor because
Speaker 1: my expectation was that you were whack. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So sometimes being underrated gives you an edge. Bars, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: all about low bars man. Yeah, but yeah like it it. Also,
Speaker 1: you heard this podcast, right, you heard my ustirs thinking
Speaker 1: Bars pretty high. But yeah, it definitely is like a
Speaker 1: psychological advantage. I think when I think the most powerful
Speaker 1: it is is when you actually have a very strong
Speaker 1: sense of self and you're interacting with somebody who underrates you,
Speaker 1: because that's when you will they'll be like, what the
Speaker 1: funk was that? Yeah? Exactly. I remember I read an
Speaker 1: interview with Margot Robbie or something. She was talking about
Speaker 1: how when she first got to Laid, before she was famous,
Speaker 1: she would go on auditions and she felt like casting
Speaker 1: or who have producers whatever that she was auditioning forard
Speaker 1: like when she walked in the room that they would
Speaker 1: immediately judge her as like just like a hot, ditzy person.
Speaker 1: And then when she actually like did the audition and
Speaker 1: like was good that they were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: she's the best actor ever. She's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I deserve that response, but because people thought I
Speaker 1: was gonna be dumb. The whiplash, the whiplash of it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Hell yeah, totally lash. There
Speaker 1: you go. Hell yeah, bro, alright, let's take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back. We're going to talk about a
Speaker 1: celebrated thinker among men, Brett Kavanaugh, and what he's up
Speaker 1: to now now that he got the past, is in
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court and still loves beer. And we're back,
Speaker 1: and so I mean, like we started, I feel like
Speaker 1: maybe was it at the beginning of last year. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Time is a fucking mess in these days,
Speaker 1: especially during a daily Describe the feeling, don't try and
Speaker 1: place it in linear time, and maybe I can find
Speaker 1: you remember when there was the like liberal Supreme Court
Speaker 1: justice who was talking about how he was not going
Speaker 1: to retire because they call balls and strikes and like
Speaker 1: he didn't think his fellow justices had any ideological bent.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that that was? It don't seems strikingly recent.
Speaker 1: Oh there's a recent memory I have where Briar, the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice who everyone was like, you better fucking
Speaker 1: retired now, that we have Biden in the in office
Speaker 1: and you know, Democratic houses, you better retired because you're
Speaker 1: getting old. And he was like, I just don't. I
Speaker 1: don't see it. The Supreme Court is, you know, just
Speaker 1: we're all just out here calling balls and strikes and
Speaker 1: this is somebody who has to deal with them and
Speaker 1: read their opinions and like write the dissenting opinion on
Speaker 1: this ship. And he was still trying to peddle that ship.
Speaker 1: So he was that and that was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, I feel well. And
Speaker 1: also it's been a thing since like this this latest
Speaker 1: wave of confirmation since Trump was in office, of like
Speaker 1: they're not partisan. Okay, we're gonna ask them during the
Speaker 1: confirmation you funk with like healthcare and like abortion access right,
Speaker 1: and they'll say yes, and then it's fine. They said yes.
Speaker 1: But it's clear to see now like the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: has just become this just overtly partisan body that's the
Speaker 1: most traded weapon for the right wing. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: Federalist Society has done their damnedest to rebalance the scales
Speaker 1: in favor of a conservative worldview. And there was a
Speaker 1: time when like that take of like a Supreme Court
Speaker 1: just to be like, excuse me, partisan, get a fuck
Speaker 1: out of here now, how dare my chambers? Please? Please um?
Speaker 1: And like they all insisted politics had nothing to do
Speaker 1: with their decisions, but we all know that's bullshit. I mean,
Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas is basically a walking conflict of interest since
Speaker 1: his wife, Jenny January six Thomas is a conservative activist
Speaker 1: and also walking quan on post or four champ post,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to however you want to describe that.
Speaker 1: Alito and Amy Coney Barrett are like regular speakers at
Speaker 1: all these parties and events, and like they laugh about
Speaker 1: all the bullshit they have to go through since they're
Speaker 1: the face of curtailing people's human rights, which brings us
Speaker 1: to break Kavanaugh because he was at a holiday party
Speaker 1: last Friday night at Matt Schlap's house. Now you say,
Speaker 1: who's Match Schlap, maybe you know who he is. He's
Speaker 1: the head of fucking Sea Pack. Like we talked about
Speaker 1: when the actual Sea Pack convention goes down, because we
Speaker 1: always call it like racist Coachella, because that's usually what
Speaker 1: it is. Like it's just end to end fucking nonsense.
Speaker 1: Being screamed at last year's Sea pack. They had a
Speaker 1: like jail cell set up with a like mega in it,
Speaker 1: like in you know, the performance prisoner uniform, like just
Speaker 1: looking sad for the whole time, to be like this
Speaker 1: is this is what has happened to us. These are
Speaker 1: our political prisoners. Look at this photograph exactly. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: I was almost gonna do the but you know, a
Speaker 1: Schlap has been like salivated like the fucking cartoons, like
Speaker 1: trying to unite right wing extremists from the US and Europe.
Speaker 1: Like he even had seapack in Hungary because he wanted
Speaker 1: to be close to victor Orbon And at the time,
Speaker 1: victor Or like at the conference was saying that Europe
Speaker 1: was quote committing suicide through immigration, and when Matt Slap
Speaker 1: was asked about it, he said, well, rob Weight is
Speaker 1: being adjudicated at the Supreme Court right now for people
Speaker 1: that believe that we somehow need to replace populations or
Speaker 1: bringing new workers. I think it is an appropriate first
Speaker 1: step to give the enshrinement in law the right to
Speaker 1: life for our own unborn children. You so us So
Speaker 1: he's in that great replacement theory garbage. In anyway, a
Speaker 1: sitting Supreme Court justice was rubbing elbows at this man's house.
Speaker 1: Who was there? Just some people you might know, Matt Gates,
Speaker 1: John Spicer, alex A Costa, Sebastian Gorka, Stephen Miller, fucking
Speaker 1: Eric Prince of Blackwater Fame, Mercenary, King Baby, dream Team.
Speaker 1: They got it all covered. Wait, which Supreme Court justice
Speaker 1: was there? Oh? It was Brett Cavan So we wasn't there.
Speaker 1: But but he did have a shirt on underneath I
Speaker 1: think that said like the fun boy Prince of Rohoba
Speaker 1: Beach and mind View. Stephen Miller has a like an
Speaker 1: organization he started called America First Legal. They have they
Speaker 1: have cases that are that are going to be heard
Speaker 1: by the Supreme Court coming up, and this guy's fucking
Speaker 1: just They're being like, oh, what's up, dude. So I
Speaker 1: would be more outraged, but you know, it's I think
Speaker 1: just the the there's been a great job of obscuring
Speaker 1: how partisan the Supreme Court has been for many years.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like it's just it's it's just wild to
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, so this is where we're at. We
Speaker 1: have completely like lost control of the Supreme Court and
Speaker 1: that they're just openly being like, yeah, dude, I kick
Speaker 1: it with fucking Sebastian Gorka and the homies. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: openly building a fascist movement like that's you know, global
Speaker 1: global fascist movement, and where it's right at the right,
Speaker 1: at the middle, it's in there. It's just wild because
Speaker 1: you see like all the time, like like a law
Speaker 1: professor was chining and they're like you, this is absolutely
Speaker 1: like terrible for Supreme Court justice. I just want to
Speaker 1: read the words of Emery. University School of Law professor
Speaker 1: Tanya Jacoby said, quote Supreme Court justices should be extraordinarily
Speaker 1: careful and not only having no actual ethical difficulties, but
Speaker 1: having no appearance of an ethical conundrum as well. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you think they give a fuck? Seriously,
Speaker 1: I know some people believe that's how it is, but
Speaker 1: we're taking people like we're just letting you know, the
Speaker 1: process is allowing people who have no sense of like
Speaker 1: what is you know what, like what's sanctified about the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court And like a lot of people like democrats,
Speaker 1: like I just can't believe it, but you gotta believe it,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what the that's what the end game
Speaker 1: is for these people. They're not playing by the same rules,
Speaker 1: and it just feels like like pre Viking Europe where
Speaker 1: people were like, don't worry if there's if there's a
Speaker 1: cross on this building with all the gold in it,
Speaker 1: people will know it's of God and they won't want
Speaker 1: to go to hell or anything. Then Vikings showed up,
Speaker 1: who are like, bro, we don't believe, we believe in
Speaker 1: not saying, and they just took everybody's ship, and the
Speaker 1: people like, oh what happened. It's like you're dealing with
Speaker 1: the same thing. These people don't respect the same ideas
Speaker 1: you have, so to act like they're gonna protect anything, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's just it's exhaustly. Yeah, the norms are gone. Nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody is shocked by anything. I was going back through
Speaker 1: the tweets of the year because we're doing a like
Speaker 1: social media year and review for when when we're off,
Speaker 1: and there's this one from at one red chay or
Speaker 1: gh E conservatives we want to murder all people with
Speaker 1: pronouns in their bio liberal snort we as a pronoun.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's like, that's the level the fight
Speaker 1: is happening, Like gotcha with with the word play instead
Speaker 1: of they're they're they're pretty there they seem to be
Speaker 1: taking this seriously, so maybe maybe we should. It's like
Speaker 1: getting robbed and being like, oh, well somebody's broke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, uh yeah, but they're still gonna make you
Speaker 1: run your ship. So what have you actually done here?
Speaker 1: Georgia as somebody who has to inhabit the mind and
Speaker 1: personality of you know, so someone who is is kind
Speaker 1: of friendly to this way of thinking, how do you
Speaker 1: think about this just a general state state of our Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's look, it's sad like if you uh, you can
Speaker 1: go that route right where it's like super depressing. I
Speaker 1: think like one of the things that stands out to
Speaker 1: me a lot with like because you know, I have
Speaker 1: to first of all, let me say this. So you know,
Speaker 1: my show, like like you said, like we're kind of
Speaker 1: satirizing these types of guys and these types of podcasters
Speaker 1: and whatnot. So like on YouTube and whatnot, you know,
Speaker 1: I will watch a bunch of like Jordan Peterson videos
Speaker 1: or Benja Pio videos or whatever for like ideas, you know,
Speaker 1: because we do scripted bits too, and like now you
Speaker 1: see how the algorithm works, because if you go to
Speaker 1: my YouTube own page, you would think I was like
Speaker 1: out of my fucking mind and all I did was
Speaker 1: watched like, you know, fucking twenty of these bits that
Speaker 1: are like three minutes long. But you see how it's
Speaker 1: just the more that content you consume, the more and
Speaker 1: more extreme ship they start like recommending to you, like
Speaker 1: the al Goes. And then I'm like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: how it happens. Like you watch the Jordan Peterson video
Speaker 1: where he's like clean your room, and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with someone saying clean your room, I guess,
Speaker 1: and then like six months later it's like neo Nazis,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's like and it's like, oh, funk.
Speaker 1: Like that to me is probably one of the most
Speaker 1: oppressing aspects of it. Is like if we didn't live
Speaker 1: in a world where we have Algoes feeding us what
Speaker 1: it thinks we will, like, would would people would as
Speaker 1: many people be being pushed out to the extremes that
Speaker 1: they are, you know what I mean? And that's kind
Speaker 1: of sad. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to say how
Speaker 1: much the like Chicken and Egg of like the algorithm
Speaker 1: versus like just the overall fascist movement, like it's all
Speaker 1: but so intertwined is yeah exactly, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, the last the last like super big
Speaker 1: rise of fascism coincided with you know, the invention of
Speaker 1: like the loudspeaker and radio becoming very popular and you
Speaker 1: know phil and TV and like things that could reach
Speaker 1: a lot of people. And it feels like, right, well,
Speaker 1: when we don't have those things locked in and like
Speaker 1: they get out further than we're able to kind of
Speaker 1: deal with it as a species, this tends to be
Speaker 1: the initial reaction is just let the fascists kind of
Speaker 1: go wild, like you see that on just chat rooms.
Speaker 1: If if a chat room isn't moderated, the fascists come
Speaker 1: in and just start wrecking the tone and start like
Speaker 1: saying horribly offensive things, and and they try and normalize
Speaker 1: that behavior where it's like it almost becomes numbing to
Speaker 1: someone where it's like, well, there's so much of this ship.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is just normal. Obviously you're not having a thought,
Speaker 1: but this is subconscious erosion of people's minds. Like I
Speaker 1: US used to say, like if Trump was like as
Speaker 1: crazy as he is, I always felt like he would
Speaker 1: actually have been more hated and less popular because I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's so insane and so many that he's he says
Speaker 1: so much crazy ship that it becomes numbing to people
Speaker 1: where it's like did you see what Trump said? Or like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's Trump. Whereas if he had, if any other
Speaker 1: president had said one of the things he said, it
Speaker 1: would have been a fucking uproar, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But it's you know, that's who he is. That's his
Speaker 1: reputation is just like insane, insane ship saying racist ship,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And then people just like are like
Speaker 1: used to it in a in a fucked up way,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, flood the zone with ship is absolutely
Speaker 1: is a stated strategy of you know, Steve Ben Flood
Speaker 1: the zone with ship. Speaking of Trump, I mean, it's it.
Speaker 1: It's probably worth talking about this Fox News freak out
Speaker 1: over libraries Christmas decorations because another threat to our society.
Speaker 1: Another another huge streat to our society. So it became
Speaker 1: a major news story. It was basically one library and Deadham,
Speaker 1: Massachusetts population twenty five thousand, opted not to put up
Speaker 1: a Christmas tree this year. One person patron of the library,
Speaker 1: Oh I guess it was a branch supervisor, wrote a
Speaker 1: Facebook post with Facebook is where all the good discourse
Speaker 1: is happening, complaining about the decision, pleading please bring Christmas
Speaker 1: back to my beautiful library. The post didn't mention that
Speaker 1: the library was still packed full of Christmas stuff. There's
Speaker 1: a giant wreath on the door, Santa elfin, snowman decorations
Speaker 1: on the desk inside, like the front desk, first thing
Speaker 1: you see. There are Christmas DVDs and books prominently displayed
Speaker 1: for the season, and there's even a gift wrapping station.
Speaker 1: And also there's a bunch of Christmas trees in the
Speaker 1: town hall that you like walk past to get to
Speaker 1: the library, and in a community garden just steps away
Speaker 1: from the library. So it's like somebody had to draw
Speaker 1: a border in their mind and be like, these Christmas
Speaker 1: trees don't belong to the library, so it's not fair.
Speaker 1: But this, of course prompted news outlets to descend on
Speaker 1: the town because of a angry Facebook post. They interviewed
Speaker 1: angry residents, one of who complained that the library is
Speaker 1: celebrates other holidays like Pride Week, Fourth of July, Thanksgiving, Kwanza,
Speaker 1: and the Jewish holidays. Interesting, but I'm also this person
Speaker 1: is wild, They complained they're like, yeah, you know the
Speaker 1: dumb ship like fourth of July. I'm like, okay, what
Speaker 1: it's so weird? This person is probably like like a
Speaker 1: has like a fringe political ideology too, like they're homophobic,
Speaker 1: but they're also like Thanksgiving celebrating a genocide, Like is
Speaker 1: that what you're saying or you're just anti Turkey? But anyway,
Speaker 1: I thought that was an interesting dates that he chose,
Speaker 1: and they are, by the way, they are also celebrating
Speaker 1: Christmas to a to a wild degree with a gift
Speaker 1: wrapping station. And but Jesse Waters of course picked us
Speaker 1: up reported that the first shots have been fired on
Speaker 1: the War on Christmas graphic, claiming there's a Scrooge among us.
Speaker 1: You might remember Scrooge, the character of famously had a
Speaker 1: wreath on his door and lent out DVD copies of Elf.
Speaker 1: That yeah. The publicity led to the library staff being
Speaker 1: bullied and threatened online. The town eventually said they would
Speaker 1: put trees up in the libraries, claiming that much of
Speaker 1: the backlash transpired before we had even started our seasonal decorating,
Speaker 1: so this was like all based on a conversation that
Speaker 1: they possibly misunderstood. But Jesse Waters this show proceeded to
Speaker 1: Docks the library director like out this person who's just
Speaker 1: trying to do their job and called her a grinch.
Speaker 1: They were like, she's the town's library director and she
Speaker 1: banned Christmas and then claimed that the decision to put
Speaker 1: a tree in the library was due to pressure from
Speaker 1: his show. So there's a victory for them. It's just
Speaker 1: our writer, Jam points out, one of the very few,
Speaker 1: because this isn't even technically like they hadn't put up
Speaker 1: their Christmas decorations yet when this controversy started. The only
Speaker 1: time that you can really find an incident of a
Speaker 1: Christmas tree band in the news you have to go
Speaker 1: back to the eighties. And we've talked about this in
Speaker 1: the past, the time that Donald prevented his tenants from
Speaker 1: having a tree or even Christmas decorations in the apartment
Speaker 1: building he owned in the eighties. Mm hmmmm mm hmmmmmmmmm.
Speaker 1: It's they're so worried about Chas, they're just grasping it ship.
Speaker 1: It's just so weird, just flailing at ship. Like remember
Speaker 1: remember it was like Biden really jumped the gun on
Speaker 1: his decorations. Meanwhile, they were outside lighting up their fucking
Speaker 1: Christmas Tree in New York like the same fucking day,
Speaker 1: like hours before they even ran that story, and now
Speaker 1: this one is there wasn't tree. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's so I at at a certain point,
Speaker 1: I'm sure this is also why like they're like having
Speaker 1: trouble with like voter performance too, because like I get
Speaker 1: that there is some sense of outrage like if you're
Speaker 1: if you're living in this ship of like what is
Speaker 1: happening to Christian America or whatever, But I think there
Speaker 1: for other people who might not be as invested in that,
Speaker 1: it's hard to like keep that kind of outrage up
Speaker 1: that actually be like that We'll get you to the
Speaker 1: point where like and the world needs to change and
Speaker 1: I'm going to dedicate myself to that because the steaks
Speaker 1: are much higher for people living on the other side
Speaker 1: of the coin who are like asking for real things
Speaker 1: like fucking healthcare. So I'm like, it's just it's odd
Speaker 1: that this is always just the way they chum the
Speaker 1: waters with it, like lazy fucking outrage ship, because this
Speaker 1: feels like even their producers are like wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: so like there's others like maybe they're saying happy holidays
Speaker 1: like no, no, they're saying Merry Christmas or their trees,
Speaker 1: Like no, there's sucking trees like all like in the park,
Speaker 1: like in the city hall, like on your way in,
Speaker 1: but inside like the next gift wrapping station. I didn't
Speaker 1: see a tree. Fuck alright, man, well yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: a difference of opinion of interior decorating, like holy shit,
Speaker 1: yeah it's uh yeah, well grinch trees are infensive. Yeah
Speaker 1: have you man? I try, I try to buy a
Speaker 1: mini fucking tree. I have a reusable one because I can't.
Speaker 1: Like I remember one time I wanted to tree the
Speaker 1: six ft tall and like six years ago, like that's
Speaker 1: a minimum like hundred ten hundred ten dollars. I was like, shout,
Speaker 1: get my reusable one. But even like the small ones
Speaker 1: are like or maybe that's just the l A And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's all pretty expensive. I'm ranting
Speaker 1: about trees, you know, ye, not the kindy smoke, that's right. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break. We'll be back to talk
Speaker 1: about fusion. And we're back, and the news out of
Speaker 1: science is undeniably good. Scientists at a lab in California
Speaker 1: created the first breakthrough a nuclear fusion technology that seems
Speaker 1: to suggest we might be on a path to be
Speaker 1: able to create clean, sustainable energy using basically the same
Speaker 1: power as the sun, but here on Earth, just like
Speaker 1: create a little sun from this l a Times article
Speaker 1: last week, for the first time, they designed this experiment
Speaker 1: so that the fusion fuel stayed hot enough, dense enough,
Speaker 1: and round enough for long enough that it ignited and
Speaker 1: produced more energy than the lasers head deposited. Which that's
Speaker 1: that's what you need. The net energy game was about
Speaker 1: two mega jewels in about three mega jewels out. I
Speaker 1: was reading all about him, like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: a fucking mega jewel is? Is that like a vapor cartridge?
Speaker 1: Like what the funk are we talking about? But there
Speaker 1: are plenty of articles that were like, hey, dumbass, this
Speaker 1: is why this ship is freck important. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, because normally, right we're using fission reactors in
Speaker 1: nuclear power plants, which are splitting atoms and create radioactive waste,
Speaker 1: like in the form of spent fuel rods. This is
Speaker 1: literally fusing them to create an energy like a net
Speaker 1: energy game and has no like has none of the
Speaker 1: pitfalls of like fission reactors. It's clean, which I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: so no like Chernobyl Fukushima type ship also infinite, like
Speaker 1: it's clean and once you get it going like it's
Speaker 1: it's a party for for all to have fucking energy.
Speaker 1: That was like that's when I was like, I see,
Speaker 1: I see that is that's big. Yeah. Yeah. It also
Speaker 1: generates three to four times as much energy as fission,
Speaker 1: which itself is already roughly a million times more powerful
Speaker 1: than any other energy source on Earth. So how many
Speaker 1: times more roughly a million times more powerful, a million
Speaker 1: times more? Wait? How many? How? Wait? How what's fusion? Is?
Speaker 1: How many times more than fishing? Three to four times
Speaker 1: as much as jesus if that's wow? Okay, yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's very very intriguing, very promising. Still, like the fact
Speaker 1: that we don't use fission, the thing that's already a
Speaker 1: million times more powerful than the their energy that we
Speaker 1: have available to us. I think that has more to
Speaker 1: do with it not fitting into the world's preferred paradigm
Speaker 1: of the moment, which is global corporate capitalism. Like you
Speaker 1: you need the government to intervene and handle a nuclear reactor. Essentially,
Speaker 1: that's not a thing that can be like easily privatized.
Speaker 1: You can't just like find some you know, plutonium rods
Speaker 1: and you know, become a nuclear billionaire overnight. You know.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's like we already have a
Speaker 1: fairly when when you look at like people writing about
Speaker 1: the nuclear energy that we have available to us through fission,
Speaker 1: like it's already pretty safe, and you know there are
Speaker 1: some downsides, but not nearly the amount of downsides that
Speaker 1: fossil fuels have. But you know, through a steady drum
Speaker 1: beat of like disaster movies and overblown news disasters, it
Speaker 1: keeps it as something we're afraid of, and I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's that they're all overblown, I
Speaker 1: mean not all over like compared to swaps of a
Speaker 1: nation like unforsaspable. I think it's bad, but I get
Speaker 1: I get the point because I think my first reaction
Speaker 1: is like nuclear bad. No, yeah, Simpsons, three eyed fish. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm specifically like from the Simpsons. I'm trained to be
Speaker 1: scared of nuclear energy for sure, but greenhouse gases have
Speaker 1: like killed way more people. Yeah, George, why do you
Speaker 1: have a similar reaction? What's your first thought when you
Speaker 1: hear nuclear energy. I mean, I like you and just
Speaker 1: assume it's bad. But I'm like, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, if we had a thousand
Speaker 1: nuclear plant nuclear energy plants in America, would that meant?
Speaker 1: Would that be all? Wouldever be it? Like? Would that
Speaker 1: be the only energy we would need? Because I feel
Speaker 1: like I've read stats like that where it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't take that many nuclear power plants around the
Speaker 1: world to like power the entire world. Yeah, It's like
Speaker 1: it's and in my understanding is it's clean until there's
Speaker 1: a Chernobyl, But then when there's a Chernobyl, that's really
Speaker 1: fucking bad and you get the thread fish like he said,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So how many how many
Speaker 1: tronols have we had? So we've had like two or
Speaker 1: has there been a bunch more than I that I
Speaker 1: don't know about. There's Fukushima there, There's definitely been some
Speaker 1: high profile disasters, and there there is something I think
Speaker 1: naturally that scares us about like such a sort of
Speaker 1: hard to wrap your mind around, like form of power.
Speaker 1: But I definitely don't think fission, especially is without its flaws.
Speaker 1: It's just when you look at what gas like and
Speaker 1: cold has has done two people. You know, it kills
Speaker 1: them in ways that they're comfortable with. I guess right,
Speaker 1: you know, well, I guess comparatively, like you have more
Speaker 1: deaths from fossil fuel burning energy generation you would like
Speaker 1: these nuclear or you know, like millions or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like way, way wait wait wait way more. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that's what makes the fusion thing so exciting is
Speaker 1: where you go, well, guess what, None of that is
Speaker 1: a possibility with fusion. In fact, like you can't even
Speaker 1: make nuclear weapons with fusion, like a fusion reaction type
Speaker 1: like facility. So there's like all this stuff. You're like,
Speaker 1: it's actually the best fucking way possible. And but then
Speaker 1: like and I'm like, okay, great, so we're out of
Speaker 1: the woods. But again, I feel like they only were
Speaker 1: able to do that in a small, controlled like experiment,
Speaker 1: and now it's about scaling that up to like a
Speaker 1: commercial level, which they say is like maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of decades away. But yeah, yeah, there was there was
Speaker 1: this lake near my college that was man made, and
Speaker 1: there was a nuclear power plant nearby, and the lake
Speaker 1: was always warm, and the local people were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the power plant, Like it's just because you know, like
Speaker 1: the like the pipes or some ship like running. It's
Speaker 1: like so it's always warm, it's always warming it. And
Speaker 1: I was like that sounds bad, Like that sounds really bad.
Speaker 1: Like we're swimming in like a man made lake. It's
Speaker 1: a hot spring and hot a nuclear powered hot spring. Nuclear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys want to go swimming at the nuclear hot spring? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to go to three eyed Frog Lake? Right? Okay.
Speaker 1: It is again like talking about things that are like
Speaker 1: really intertwined. It's hard to figure out how much of
Speaker 1: it is just like a natural fear of like, well,
Speaker 1: radiation is this thing that we don't like fully understand.
Speaker 1: We know as bad as compared to fossil fuels, But
Speaker 1: there's also been a concerted smear campaign by fossil fuel
Speaker 1: companies to make nuclear energy terrifying because gas is something
Speaker 1: one person can you know, put in a truck and
Speaker 1: sell to another person. And you know, nuclear power you
Speaker 1: need government level budgets to invest in a power plant
Speaker 1: that requires you know, massive infrastructure resources, and then everything
Speaker 1: you know from there is much more efficient. But that's
Speaker 1: not a thing that you can like easily incorporate into
Speaker 1: the system of the money system of the world. And
Speaker 1: then also like the most most of the money in
Speaker 1: the world are a great deal of the money in
Speaker 1: the world, at least at this time, is tied up
Speaker 1: in the current system of global capitalism and private privatization
Speaker 1: and deregulation, and this would move and you really, you
Speaker 1: really want to closely regulate these nuclear power plants. They'd
Speaker 1: be like whoa, whoa, whoa, everybody's getting electricity now for
Speaker 1: like cheap off fuck because they're already like you think,
Speaker 1: how hard, like fossil fuel companies for fighting solar energy
Speaker 1: and like, but but technology has gotten to the point
Speaker 1: where they're like, sorry, like this one's just gonna get
Speaker 1: away from you more and more as more people are like, well,
Speaker 1: funk it, then I'll put on my house if I
Speaker 1: have to. Like the idea where they're like, well, fun, man,
Speaker 1: they just a fucking sun gives them that and this
Speaker 1: thing makes like a son basically that they can exploit
Speaker 1: the energy off of. That's like a fucking nightmare for
Speaker 1: like a lobbyist whose interests are like, gotta keep gotta
Speaker 1: keep the fucking dinosaur bones at the forefront. Yeah, guys,
Speaker 1: you want to burn up dinosaur bones or some weird
Speaker 1: freaky science future ship. Come on, y'all, I'm with dinosaur bones.
Speaker 1: This might sound like a dumb question, but why is
Speaker 1: fusion so much harder than fission? Like? What is it
Speaker 1: that has made the fusion things so like out of
Speaker 1: our reach? No clue? Okay, respect, I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 1: I wish this was that kind of podcast. Could Could
Speaker 1: it be that fission was you know, easier to turn
Speaker 1: into a weapon, and so they you know that they
Speaker 1: were out at the cutting edge of that, and had
Speaker 1: there there were more resources investment in it. I don't
Speaker 1: know that that makes sense to me, But I actually
Speaker 1: haven't done done the research. It just might be, you know,
Speaker 1: from a science perspective, like much more, much more difficult.
Speaker 1: But I just I'm interested to watch how this story unfolds,
Speaker 1: because you know, I have absolutely no doubt that the
Speaker 1: global corporate order will find ways to sabotage the use
Speaker 1: of nuclear power in this form as well, or at
Speaker 1: least try to. But I also think they'll be going
Speaker 1: with the grain of you know, the hive mind of
Speaker 1: global capitalism, and and people naturally will just kind of
Speaker 1: want to reject this even though even though it I
Speaker 1: don't know, it has a good head start because the
Speaker 1: first thing we're finding out about it is like they
Speaker 1: created a son in a lab as opposed to you know,
Speaker 1: nuclear weapons. So and maybe a benefit the lazy Google
Speaker 1: search I did is that it just takes way more
Speaker 1: energy to fuse atoms than to split them. That's the
Speaker 1: other thing. And the amount of pressure and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff they have to recreate refusion to take place
Speaker 1: just much harder than splitting an atom and make ship
Speaker 1: go boom. I mean it's metaphor, right, It's way way
Speaker 1: harder to like bring things together than just destroy ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then look at and look at the unbelievable power
Speaker 1: unleashed in people and the things coming together versus a part.
Speaker 1: A good metaphor, a good metaphor. But yeah, did you
Speaker 1: guys see that thing with Christopher Nolan recently about Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: so what did he do? He like, he's he's bragging
Speaker 1: that he cru is able to recreate an atomic blast
Speaker 1: without c G I. And then everyone's like, so wait
Speaker 1: are you saying, what did you do? You blew up
Speaker 1: like a small atomic But I didn't quite understand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just saw the headline. It to me, it sounds
Speaker 1: like he was able to create a mushroom cloud, you know,
Speaker 1: which doesn't necessarily need like an atomic bomb to do.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I have a feeling that wouldn't put it
Speaker 1: past sick. Yeah, I mean a mushroom cloud. Do you
Speaker 1: guys get that on camera? Yeah. It's also why when
Speaker 1: you look back at like the history of the US
Speaker 1: and you know, during the Cold War there they were
Speaker 1: just so cavalier with nuclear weapons. They're just like bombing,
Speaker 1: just like bombing you know, places in the desert, like
Speaker 1: within you know, sight range of Las Vegas. All the time,
Speaker 1: they had like a Las Vegas beauty pageant that was
Speaker 1: like Mrs a bomb and like you see, like as
Speaker 1: the beauty pageants happening, you could see like mushroom clouds
Speaker 1: in the distance. So I'm sure that also didn't help
Speaker 1: with people's willingness to you know, the fact that it
Speaker 1: was mostly a weapons thing for like when it first
Speaker 1: came on the scene. Yeah. Well, and yeah, and also
Speaker 1: we just have the worst examples when you hear the
Speaker 1: word nuclear or atomic, it's not like yeah, and like
Speaker 1: the jet pack that saved everyone's life, it's like Adam bombs,
Speaker 1: you know that horrible shit or Chernobyl you saw that
Speaker 1: on HBO anyway, that and then your immedia like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but bring on the fusion please, And I think, honestly
Speaker 1: it may I know, like there is a obviously we
Speaker 1: know that something that we could just be like infinitely
Speaker 1: replicated like and created like energy is a bit of
Speaker 1: a kind of gross idea to fossil fuel companies, but
Speaker 1: I also feels like it gives like society the out
Speaker 1: to like where they're like, no, man, if we can
Speaker 1: just do fucking this, then we can fucking eat the
Speaker 1: meat and do fucking everything else, and then we can
Speaker 1: just just nip this part in the butt and then
Speaker 1: have free energy for everyone. So who knows. I mean
Speaker 1: we're not we're not exactly about doing the work in
Speaker 1: this country. So yeah, I certainly saw it. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: science really did it. Yeah, I mean, it'll just be
Speaker 1: interesting to see if we're willing to use it. But well, right,
Speaker 1: and then the and the other thing being is we
Speaker 1: can't wait twenty to thirty years, so then be like alright,
Speaker 1: clean energy. It's also we need to be doing that
Speaker 1: ship yesterday. So at least we had a breakthrough. Well, George,
Speaker 1: pleasure having you on the daily Zeitgeist? Where can people
Speaker 1: find you? Follow you, hear you all that good stuff? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: When is there a tweet or some of the work
Speaker 1: of social media you've been enjoying. You know, I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this and I haven't been obsessing over anything recently,
Speaker 1: but there I was kind of feeling all the White
Speaker 1: Lotus like theme song remixes that we're going down in
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. Have you guys heard any
Speaker 1: of that stuff? I heard like Out a wild House
Speaker 1: remix like a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just I was. I thought it was cool how so
Speaker 1: many people were into that theme song, and I made
Speaker 1: me wonder, like now, did. Is the show as big
Speaker 1: as the theme song? Or is it's just the theme
Speaker 1: song that's taking off? Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: I like the show. I watched the show, but in
Speaker 1: my mind I feel like people, at least on social media,
Speaker 1: that theme song blew up more than the actual show itself.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Yeah, the theme song is
Speaker 1: great and apparently like the intro if you like, look
Speaker 1: at the actor's names that are on screen, like next
Speaker 1: to the painting, like the name there's like symbolism and
Speaker 1: stuff involved. Is it's well done? Well done? Right, well done, guys,
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. This is a pleasure. Was online,
Speaker 1: super fun talk with you guys today. Miles, where can
Speaker 1: people find you? What is the tweet you've been enjoying? Uh?
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray, check Jack and
Speaker 1: I out new episode of Miles and Jack got mad
Speaker 1: boost These just dropped. You can hear us, or at
Speaker 1: least hear me half panic about having to play the
Speaker 1: Celtics and it turns out I was right. Also, if
Speaker 1: you like ninety Day Fiance, check me and Sophie Alexandra
Speaker 1: out on four twenty Day Fiance. Uh. You know just
Speaker 1: having a laugh, some having a bit of a last Uh.
Speaker 1: This one is just from at requiem. Arm Jesse tweeted,
Speaker 1: L O L look at this dip shit I saw
Speaker 1: on the street and it's a picture Rudy Jeulian like
Speaker 1: the sidewalk, squinting so hard at his phone and it
Speaker 1: just feels like the most real, like look at this
Speaker 1: dip ship kind of photo. Uh. And I just love
Speaker 1: that because he's got like his outfit is wild. He
Speaker 1: looks like if Oswald cobble Pot got into streetwear or
Speaker 1: like big baggy draft day suits. That's a reference to
Speaker 1: the penguin's original name from Batman. And he's got like
Speaker 1: sketcher shape ups on underneath. I don't know, it's very
Speaker 1: dip shitty, so shout out to you. Yeah, he's just
Speaker 1: squinting at his phone. He's doing that thing where his
Speaker 1: phones on here and he's like, you can find me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Jack Underscore. O'Brien I like to tweet from.
Speaker 1: Zack bud Rick tweeted, everybody at the office got mad
Speaker 1: at me because I said, Ship's Creek seems like a
Speaker 1: show for straight wim men who have bast shortt parties
Speaker 1: at k bars and it seems it seems accurate. I mean,
Speaker 1: it seems right that people got mad at him. Fuck you, Zach,
Speaker 1: that's not cool. Leap Ship's creek alone. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get I don't want to run
Speaker 1: a foul of the Ship's creek. You don't want to
Speaker 1: be up Ship's creek due exactly, they don't. You can
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Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy. Miles,
Speaker 1: what something do you think people might enjoy? Oh? I
Speaker 1: just want to play some and People's the source material
Speaker 1: for Mr Elliott's Can't Stand the Rain. This track is
Speaker 1: called I Can't Stand the Rain because it's fucking sample
Speaker 1: people's and dope instrumentation. I was It's funny. I was
Speaker 1: listening to this and then super producer Brian was like, wait,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on, is that al Greens band?
Speaker 1: And when you listen to it. You could it sounds again.
Speaker 1: Everybody was using the same backing bands and it was
Speaker 1: Al Green's band. Uh you can if you're like kind
Speaker 1: of a musician, or you can't hear it in the
Speaker 1: snare drum and that horn section the Memphis Hordan's anyway
Speaker 1: and Peebles, I can't stand the rain enjoy all right? Well,
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