Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague nol is feeling under
Speaker 1: the weather, but he will be back soon. They called
Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer
Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decond. Most importantly, you are you, You
Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't
Speaker 1: want you to know. With the help of the biggest
Speaker 1: celebrity on our show, Paul's dog Osoo, we are doing
Speaker 1: one of our favorite things in the entirety of stuff
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know, and it is sharing
Speaker 1: your stories with your fellow listeners. Uh, this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a listener mail segment that I awkwardly described to
Speaker 1: Matt and Paul as whoops, all voicemails. So we've we've
Speaker 1: got some that we we've got something that we want
Speaker 1: to spend particular attention on in our first half. We're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna talk about your mind and the ability
Speaker 1: to perhaps affect the passage of the clouds. We're also
Speaker 1: going to talk about a situation that is hypothetical for
Speaker 1: many people, but unfortunately was not hypothetical for a friend
Speaker 1: of ours. And we are also towards the end, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna We're gonna freestyle a little. We're gonna play
Speaker 1: as many voicemails as we can, the ones that really
Speaker 1: stuck out to us and hopefully stick out to you. Uh,
Speaker 1: without further ado, Matt, what say you? Why don't we
Speaker 1: set this this first message up by calling it a
Speaker 1: what would you do? Situation? That's right, this scenario is
Speaker 1: brought to you by l Ron, not that one. This
Speaker 1: one here. He cos, Hey, what's up? Guys? Love your show,
Speaker 1: listen to it for a long time. UM My name
Speaker 1: is We're gonna go with Leron. I had something happened
Speaker 1: to be related to your shot Spotter episode, at least
Speaker 1: a little bit. The other day. I go into a
Speaker 1: restaurant bar with some friends and while we're in there,
Speaker 1: I gonna use the restroom, walk in, go into a stall,
Speaker 1: sit down, and besides the call and like, the toilet
Speaker 1: paper holder is a loaded gun. It's kind of crazy
Speaker 1: to find something like this is a loaded nine millimeter
Speaker 1: Cinema automatic crystal. What do you do in that situation?
Speaker 1: And obviously the quick answer is, oh, we take it,
Speaker 1: we unloaded, and then we take it to somebody and
Speaker 1: turn it in a deal with that. Sure, sure, right,
Speaker 1: that's fine. But in my situation, I actually made some
Speaker 1: mistakes A long time go, had addiction issues which led
Speaker 1: to me committing a crime, not a serious one of
Speaker 1: the serious enough that I'm not allowed to have a
Speaker 1: gun anymore. What do you do in that situation? Do
Speaker 1: you grab that gun and take it to a cop?
Speaker 1: What if the gun was using the crime? And here
Speaker 1: you are a criminal quote unquote, because you are for
Speaker 1: life giving a gun to a cop. And also that
Speaker 1: interaction was a cop. It's complicated, and what if let's
Speaker 1: just say it's not me, what if it says someone else.
Speaker 1: They might be terrified to approach a cop of a
Speaker 1: loaded gun just to give it to them. So I'm
Speaker 1: only saying this and I'm only calling him because I
Speaker 1: just like you guys to think this through, like how
Speaker 1: would you handle this situation? And I thought it was
Speaker 1: an interesting scenario for me. I did give it to
Speaker 1: a cop. It was kind of complex. I had to
Speaker 1: be very careful about how I approached the situation, because
Speaker 1: obviously the same restaurant has kids, they could go and
Speaker 1: find a loaded gun. And also this comes back to
Speaker 1: the whole concealed carry issue. How do you like, how
Speaker 1: do you leave a gun in a bathroom loaded? Obviously
Speaker 1: the person was drunk and obviously that's super illegal and
Speaker 1: less again the gun was from a crime. Anyway, guys,
Speaker 1: thank you for the time. I just thought this was
Speaker 1: kind of a good thought experiment, like, how would you
Speaker 1: handle the situation? Maybe fun to talk about. Keep up
Speaker 1: the great work. I love your show. Hopefully talk soon. Right, Well,
Speaker 1: there we go. There's the scenario, walk into a restroom
Speaker 1: within a restaurant and find a gun. What do you do, Ben,
Speaker 1: what is your initial reaction to that scenario? Don't touch it,
Speaker 1: don't touch a fingerprint? Fingerprints uh would be key, etcetera. Right,
Speaker 1: do your best touch it? That's obvious. Um, I I
Speaker 1: suspect first off, you handle this uh wonderfully at a
Speaker 1: great personal risk to yourself because you you are right.
Speaker 1: And I think one of the most important things we
Speaker 1: could say is addiction is a real thing. If you
Speaker 1: were struggling with addiction, um, you know it takes a
Speaker 1: great deal of personal strength to get to the other side.
Speaker 1: So there is you know it should be immensely proud
Speaker 1: and we have immense respect for you for doing so. Um,
Speaker 1: this is not necessarily a hypothetical for me, Matt, So
Speaker 1: I'm more interested in your take before I ted talk
Speaker 1: or whatever. Oh wow, it's not a hypothetical for you, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, wow, um okay, So I'll just tell you
Speaker 1: instinctually the way I first thought about this when I
Speaker 1: listened to this message from l roun Um. My thought was,
Speaker 1: and and I don't know why, but it was to
Speaker 1: clear the gun, see if it if it has if
Speaker 1: it is in fact loaded, right, check that and then
Speaker 1: if it is load, take out the magazine, clear the
Speaker 1: chamber so that it's safe for anybody who might show
Speaker 1: up on the scene, right and safe for me, depending
Speaker 1: on who shows up on the scene and what mind
Speaker 1: state they're in. Every firearm as though it is loaded
Speaker 1: at all times. But then I thought, not everybody knows
Speaker 1: how to clear a weapon, and what if you did
Speaker 1: it improperly right, and like, there's potential for that weapon
Speaker 1: to go off any time you're handling it or touching it.
Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about the fingerprints issue and
Speaker 1: if it really was like used in the commission of
Speaker 1: a crime. But as I started going down that rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: then this just became more and more and more and
Speaker 1: more complicated to me. And it really is like, do
Speaker 1: you do you walk away from that weapon at all?
Speaker 1: Once you know there is a weapon at a scene
Speaker 1: that is in a public space, Like what like what
Speaker 1: is the radius that you allow yourself to get away
Speaker 1: from that weapon since you know it's there? And I
Speaker 1: don't think it's very I don't think you go very
Speaker 1: far away from it, or I don't think you should
Speaker 1: if you're a responsible person. Do you think right? Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it a situation where you say, well, I'm going
Speaker 1: to text someone who's with me and say come here
Speaker 1: or call them right someone sitting at the booth with you, Uh,
Speaker 1: if they're the kind of person that you can trust
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on that situation or go alert someone.
Speaker 1: Is it a situation where you open up the restroom
Speaker 1: door and try to just yell for an employee, drawing
Speaker 1: even more attention to the you know, to the free
Speaker 1: that's going down, or is it um? Is it something
Speaker 1: where you know in In some situations here, especially in
Speaker 1: the west, the southwest, UH and the southeast of the
Speaker 1: US in particular, oftentimes people will take the firearm and
Speaker 1: just take especially if they're at a bar. It happens,
Speaker 1: you're not alone. All this happened too many people. This
Speaker 1: is not my situation, but it's happened to many people,
Speaker 1: where they'll just take the take the firearm, and then
Speaker 1: take it to the bartender and say, will you put
Speaker 1: this in the lost and found You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Who left their gun in the exactly just so yeah,
Speaker 1: and and this um so, it does become it does
Speaker 1: become complicated because you have to there are too many unknowns,
Speaker 1: too many variables. It could be something as simple as
Speaker 1: someone who said I have to you know, someone who
Speaker 1: said I have to, like I have to drop a
Speaker 1: hot mixtape, do a number two, and I want to
Speaker 1: put my firearms somewhere, and then they forgot and they left, right.
Speaker 1: People are very good at losing things. Human beings lose
Speaker 1: stuff all the time. How many people lost their like
Speaker 1: what we we've been talking for maybe maybe a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes, uh, not even ten minutes. In ten minutes,
Speaker 1: how many people in this country just left their passport somewhere,
Speaker 1: that one of the most important documents they own. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily criminal. You're right. How many times have
Speaker 1: you lost just your wallet or your keys or something
Speaker 1: just misplaced them, especially if you're busy doing something else
Speaker 1: and it's an object that you always have on you,
Speaker 1: You're just so used to it being on you. You're
Speaker 1: so used to be used to it being there. If
Speaker 1: you put it somewhere just you know, for a moment
Speaker 1: to get something done, your brain may just forget that
Speaker 1: that thing occurred. And if you're it really depends on
Speaker 1: how familiar you are with firearms and how often you carry,
Speaker 1: like let's see how often you open carry or concealed carry,
Speaker 1: because it may just become so commonplace. The way I
Speaker 1: carry my gun, I place it down when I use
Speaker 1: the restroom because it's a necessity for me to remove
Speaker 1: my gun to use the restroom where where it is right.
Speaker 1: You don't stay strapped, you don't keep it pointed at
Speaker 1: the stall doors. No one's gonna, oh gosh, no, But
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. You're yeah, I think we're
Speaker 1: of the same mind people, can you we absolutely normalize
Speaker 1: things like a lot of folks do the check right. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's the thing that Catholic kids used to remember,
Speaker 1: the move where the spectacles, testicles watch whatever. Yeah, while
Speaker 1: I watched. But the one of the things, at least
Speaker 1: when I've been in these situations to remember, if you
Speaker 1: find a Rando firearm, Um, it does need to be moved,
Speaker 1: it does need to go somewhere. But and this is
Speaker 1: just one paranoid entity his opinion. Any time you are
Speaker 1: interacting with that without a witness, without a second pair
Speaker 1: of eyes, then you are potentially opening yourself up to
Speaker 1: some very uncool things. So like L. Rond you refer
Speaker 1: to you refer to this as complicated, and it is. Uh,
Speaker 1: and thank goodness, uh, the law didn't try to jam
Speaker 1: you up or something. You know, what if like what
Speaker 1: if you touch the gun? What if you touch the
Speaker 1: fim you pick it up without a glove, without any
Speaker 1: like you know, probably the closest thing you would grab
Speaker 1: his paper towels, right, something like that, some kind of
Speaker 1: paper product. Will you pick it up? Your fingerprints are
Speaker 1: on it and you realize it doesn't have a serial number, Well,
Speaker 1: it's not a good look. Even if your intentions are good.
Speaker 1: You know. Now it's now you are inherently in some
Speaker 1: way involved. You were going to lose time at the
Speaker 1: very least, you're gonna lose time because, um, because law
Speaker 1: enforcement is gonna want to know every single detail about
Speaker 1: how you found a dirty gun. Yeah. Well, and and
Speaker 1: let's say you do that, you take that action to
Speaker 1: actually touch the weapon, even if you use a paper towel,
Speaker 1: even if you had latex gloves just on you for
Speaker 1: some reason and you picked the gun up, you could
Speaker 1: still be contaminating potential evidence on that firearm if it
Speaker 1: was used in a crime. Right, So what I want
Speaker 1: to do really quickly is just give you three places
Speaker 1: where you can learn more about this and where this
Speaker 1: was kind of answered pretty succinctly for me. And the
Speaker 1: first places on a website called American Concealed, and it's
Speaker 1: an article titled what do you do if you find
Speaker 1: a gun? In this article, it notes that several people
Speaker 1: have had commented on their site that yes, I have
Speaker 1: accidentally left my firearm in a bathroom's stall, in particular
Speaker 1: because of this thing that we're describing here. You remove
Speaker 1: the weapon from your holster to use the restroom, you
Speaker 1: forget that you did that and you walk out. Um.
Speaker 1: They you know, they recommend a lot of things, and
Speaker 1: they're really speaking to an audience of people that is
Speaker 1: familiar with guns, right, So they're they're showing you, or
Speaker 1: they're describing to you the best way to do this
Speaker 1: and then to get it to perhaps a police officer
Speaker 1: or to someone who can then report it to a
Speaker 1: police officer. I probably for someone not familiar with guns,
Speaker 1: I would not recommend any really, not anything they say
Speaker 1: on that side, but I would not recommend using that
Speaker 1: site as your source. This has some baseline now prerequisites,
Speaker 1: right to know how to handle a firearms safely, to
Speaker 1: know how to discharge clear a gun. Right. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying that the I'm not surprised
Speaker 1: that some of the spaces exactly what I what I
Speaker 1: would have said. I don't know, mm hmm. I mean
Speaker 1: it is so situationally dependent. I'm I feel like if
Speaker 1: you take a photo of it, for instance, in in situ,
Speaker 1: in location, then you need to make sure that you're
Speaker 1: also immediately following on some other steps. So the l
Speaker 1: ron situation, right is different. This isn't this isn't a
Speaker 1: vacant apartment building. You know, it's not a it's not
Speaker 1: a squat house. It's not like a place where I
Speaker 1: used to hang out my graffiti days or something with
Speaker 1: crap on the wall and literal crap on the floor.
Speaker 1: This is a family restaurant. So what a pickle if
Speaker 1: you leave right? Even if you just take the time
Speaker 1: to walk to the host station or or the bar
Speaker 1: or the kitchen line, if you don't have line of
Speaker 1: sight on that door, who's to say that a nine
Speaker 1: year old might not just wander in and say, oh,
Speaker 1: best Christmas ever? Right like this? Yeah, I'm doing worst case,
Speaker 1: but I interjected, What's well, you're right, that's where where
Speaker 1: my mind goes to ben Another place you can look
Speaker 1: there is a subreddit about dumpster diving titled slash art
Speaker 1: slash dumpster diving, And on here there's a quick thread
Speaker 1: you found a gun? What now? And on here you
Speaker 1: also have some pretty good advice. Again, some of it
Speaker 1: is just like, uh, supposing that you were going to
Speaker 1: actually touch the weapon. And that's this is where I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put it kind of a stop to that. I
Speaker 1: I think, no matter what who you are, no matter
Speaker 1: how familiar you are with firearms, no matter what your
Speaker 1: criminal history is, if you've got one or any at all.
Speaker 1: I think this is the correct procedure because it comes
Speaker 1: directly from a very high ranking law enforcement officer in
Speaker 1: a part of Georgia where I've lived. Spoke with this
Speaker 1: person through email and on the phone today. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you exactly what I asked this person and exactly
Speaker 1: how they responded. Okay, I said, what is the correct
Speaker 1: procedure for a civilian if they find an unattended firearm
Speaker 1: in a public space? And I said, I think the
Speaker 1: obvious answer is to report the firearm to local law
Speaker 1: enforcement as quickly as possible. But how to go about
Speaker 1: it safely for both the officer and the civilian seems
Speaker 1: like it could get complicated. This person responded, The best
Speaker 1: course of action is to call nine one one from
Speaker 1: where you're From where you are so that moment you
Speaker 1: have eyes on the firearm, dial nine one one then
Speaker 1: and request an officer to be dispatched to collect the weapon.
Speaker 1: You can specify that it's not a an emergency, but
Speaker 1: there is a appears to be a live weapon and
Speaker 1: you need it to be taken right. I asked, are
Speaker 1: you if you're familiar with firearms, should you clear the weapon?
Speaker 1: Answer was no. I asked if you should refrain entirely
Speaker 1: from touching the weapon in case it was used in
Speaker 1: the commission of a crime. They said, if at all possible,
Speaker 1: do not touch the weapon. Stay nearby so no one
Speaker 1: else touches it as well. Again, that's like more an
Speaker 1: evidence collection for this thing, potential evidence collection. I asked,
Speaker 1: if the weapon is found in a place easily accessible
Speaker 1: to children, should you move the weapon to a secure location. Again,
Speaker 1: the answer here is the best course of action is
Speaker 1: not to touch the weapon, remove the children from the
Speaker 1: area if possible, and wait for law enforcement. Which seems
Speaker 1: like you know, so those are the official answers, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: they're they're not official. I wasn't allowed to give you
Speaker 1: guys like who this person was and what an organization
Speaker 1: they represent or at least they're a part of. But
Speaker 1: that is some a very high ranking person in a
Speaker 1: real law enforcement agency. UM, I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: that's probably what you should do. Or if you're not
Speaker 1: comfortable calling nine one one, if someone you know or
Speaker 1: someone with you who's comfortable, or maybe a bystander who
Speaker 1: is also there, maybe have them call to report it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about that too, because they're
Speaker 1: gonna get grilled on how they found it. You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's the thing, like what if you do if
Speaker 1: you for one reason or another, can't be can't be
Speaker 1: speaking with twelve you know, or whatever street name you
Speaker 1: want to use for law enforcement. Uh. There is something
Speaker 1: else though that I think this last point I want
Speaker 1: to make here. If you people are not stupid, for
Speaker 1: the most part, given the opportunity to really think about
Speaker 1: what's going on, people are extraordinarily intelligent. So if you
Speaker 1: find a gun just sitting on the top of a commode,
Speaker 1: sitting on the tank or something, then it's less likely
Speaker 1: that someone used it in a crime and said, you know,
Speaker 1: here's the perfect place. That T G I Fridays they
Speaker 1: have such a terrible reputation because the cheese stick controversy
Speaker 1: that there never no cops are even gonna come here.
Speaker 1: That hey, that was just the licensing thing. The frozen
Speaker 1: t G. I Friday's quote Mozzarelli stics that you can
Speaker 1: find at your local grocery store are not the ones
Speaker 1: that t G A. T G. I. Friday's makes in
Speaker 1: their restaurants. They got to you. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: Of all the organizations, that's the one that compromised our show.
Speaker 1: I knew it, not with a bang, but with a whimper. Anyway,
Speaker 1: now the well t s Eliott there, but the following
Speaker 1: on that, the natural responses and look for We have
Speaker 1: people listening who have had to live on the streets
Speaker 1: before for one reason or another, right, and there's no
Speaker 1: judgment there. But you know that if you find a firearm,
Speaker 1: a serviceable usable firearm in a place like a sewer
Speaker 1: or like a dumpster or some other place where the
Speaker 1: normal person, the normal sieve is not supposed to be
Speaker 1: look gain, then that's probably hot. Not saying it as
Speaker 1: bodies on it, but it may have been. The odds
Speaker 1: are higher than zero that it was that it was
Speaker 1: used in in something you know, um, so please please
Speaker 1: just just be safe and know that there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people who accidentally find themselves embroiled in events,
Speaker 1: perhaps unfairly because they were not thinking through the implications.
Speaker 1: So I want again thank Lron's here for for being
Speaker 1: fully aware, for doing the right thing, for thinking through it,
Speaker 1: and uh with without having more details, you know your
Speaker 1: mileage may vary, but as long as you can essentially
Speaker 1: establish a chain of command there a chain of an
Speaker 1: evidentiary chain right, a chain of um owners ship and custody,
Speaker 1: then you will hopefully be okay, even if it's something
Speaker 1: as simple as telling the restaurant tour restaurants staff, you know,
Speaker 1: I found this firearm, don't fire it in the middle
Speaker 1: of the lobby and say who left this in the
Speaker 1: sh I love that phrase. Um, you can you can
Speaker 1: tell them. Look, I don't want to be involved. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing, I found it. But when you say that,
Speaker 1: you have to know that if pushed, the restaurant staff
Speaker 1: is going to give every detail they have about you
Speaker 1: as well. It's a real pickle, and it's a great question,
Speaker 1: you know, Matt. I'd love to hear other people's responses,
Speaker 1: because I know that we're not the only folks who
Speaker 1: have found themselves in a non hypothetical version of this
Speaker 1: absolutely right to us conspiracy at I Heart radio dot
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Speaker 1: Thank you again. L Ron will be right back with
Speaker 1: more listener mail, and we have returned thanks to a
Speaker 1: sponsorship from our pal Kate Bush. No I'm kidding. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be something different. This is a lovely message
Speaker 1: we received from our pal Grady and Matt. You actually, uh,
Speaker 1: this one really spoke to me. You spoke with Grady directly.
Speaker 1: So let's let's go ahead and play this lovely little
Speaker 1: message and then let's dive in. Hey, guys, um, I've
Speaker 1: called a couple of times, but I wanted to discuss
Speaker 1: something interesting that I've been practicing and that I have
Speaker 1: also encouraged my friends to practice. And we have all
Speaker 1: had success in this, which to me and I'll get
Speaker 1: into this, but it speaks to the true potential that
Speaker 1: humans have within them. And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys have discussed this topic before, but it's a practice
Speaker 1: called cloud busting. And I practiced at this for a while,
Speaker 1: you know, I couldn't find my process, and then once
Speaker 1: I did, I realized that I could bust. I could
Speaker 1: make any cloud of my choosing disappear, white, puffy, gigantic
Speaker 1: clouds disappear. So I call one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: I tell him about my success with this, and he
Speaker 1: has an open mind, but he's like, I gotta try
Speaker 1: this for myself. Sure enough, I get a call that
Speaker 1: night saying, me and my girlfriend went outside in the
Speaker 1: clouds recovering in the moon, and I looked at her
Speaker 1: and told her, we're going to bring the moon out.
Speaker 1: So my best one of my best friends, and his
Speaker 1: girlfriend held hands and keep in mind, the clouds were
Speaker 1: covering the entire sky and they were able to dissipate
Speaker 1: the this gigantic cloud and bring the moon out. In short,
Speaker 1: I know I'm coming to my time limit here. I
Speaker 1: would like you to do some maybe do some research
Speaker 1: into this and just share it with people, because any
Speaker 1: person can do this by focusing their intention on a
Speaker 1: certain cloud, finding their process, which can be different for
Speaker 1: certain people. But it just shows the incredible power that
Speaker 1: we have as human beings that we don't that not
Speaker 1: everybody realizes in each and every one of them. So
Speaker 1: that's all, guys. I just thought it was a really
Speaker 1: cool thing that maybe you know, bring up on one
Speaker 1: of your shows one of these days. But love what
Speaker 1: you guys do. Amazing stuff. Um, I love you guys.
Speaker 1: Take good care of yourselves. Um loving the book too, Okay,
Speaker 1: take care boom, thank you Grady? What ticking all the
Speaker 1: boxes on on a good voicemail? I don't have to
Speaker 1: you don't have to say you love this show. That
Speaker 1: will not influence our choice on what what we're fortunate
Speaker 1: enough to air. But um, greedy, greedy, your message really
Speaker 1: struck a chord with me. I suspect with you as well, Matt,
Speaker 1: because we have done a lot of episodes on or
Speaker 1: We've done a significant amount of episodes both in the
Speaker 1: video and audio realm on the idea of cloud bursting
Speaker 1: or cloud busting and matt initial reaction and first I've
Speaker 1: got to get it from you man that people want
Speaker 1: to hear it. Did you try this as a kid, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but see it was a vape term back then, like
Speaker 1: busting some clouds, you know. No, I'm just I did
Speaker 1: try this. It was more it was never about bursting
Speaker 1: the clouds or anything when I was a kid. It
Speaker 1: was just more watching the clouds change and evolved, as
Speaker 1: you know, into different shapes and animals and things, right
Speaker 1: as they kind of change shape, because clouds do change
Speaker 1: shape as they travel and grow and dissipate. Uh. I
Speaker 1: remember learning about this for the first time when we
Speaker 1: were covering Oregon energy and and attempts to actually create
Speaker 1: physical structures that would house a particular type of energy
Speaker 1: that could then be aimed and used to do this
Speaker 1: same process. But I didn't know you could basically, I guess,
Speaker 1: meditate in a way or just focus intention to do
Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, the idea of su bring him
Speaker 1: some excellent stuff here, man. So the idea of busting
Speaker 1: a cloud with the power of one's mind, right, it's
Speaker 1: a It exists in a roughly similar school of thought
Speaker 1: to the belief in rainmakers, the idea that if one
Speaker 1: concentrates with the right techniques, one can generate storms, right,
Speaker 1: generate moisture and uh, this is a huge part of
Speaker 1: um North American folklore and discourse and existed way before
Speaker 1: Europeans wherever on the scene. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: The oh gosh, there's a couple of things to unpack here.
Speaker 1: So Wilhelm Reich, you know him, you'll love him. B
Speaker 1: B See once called him the man who thought orgasms
Speaker 1: could save the world, which you'll have to check out
Speaker 1: our episodes to get what we're talking about. But it's
Speaker 1: about it's all about that orgon energy. Maybe, um he
Speaker 1: saw he was a doctor and a psychoanalyst right active
Speaker 1: all the way up to ninete when he died and
Speaker 1: He believed that he had found a universal energy that
Speaker 1: could be focused, that could be channeled to create any
Speaker 1: number of observable physical effects, and he had a lot
Speaker 1: of followers. One of the things like I read about
Speaker 1: this guy, it was different in a different life before
Speaker 1: I ever thought I would be doing podcast stuff on air.
Speaker 1: And the thing that got always stood out to me
Speaker 1: about the story and to you as well, I imagine,
Speaker 1: is that upon his death he was entangled with the FBI,
Speaker 1: have been arrested by the FBI. A lot of his
Speaker 1: work was destroyed, right, He was profiled UM because they
Speaker 1: accused him of being a communist, a subversive, all this stuff.
Speaker 1: He was once listed as a key figure on the
Speaker 1: Enemy Alien Control Unit. So whatever he's doing, for one
Speaker 1: reason or another, Uncle Sam did surveil him, and that
Speaker 1: lent a lot of accidental credibility to his theories, which
Speaker 1: remained controversial and widely rejected by academia today. However, there
Speaker 1: still is UM. There's still is an active group of UM.
Speaker 1: There's an active institution, the right institute, I believe. So anyhow,
Speaker 1: he built this machine that you were talking about, and
Speaker 1: if you look at the machine, the first thing I
Speaker 1: think we should say is keep an open mind, you know,
Speaker 1: keep open the entire topic. The first thing you have
Speaker 1: to do is keep it keep just keep that, keep
Speaker 1: the barn doors of consciousness open. Uh, send the critical
Speaker 1: thinking out on a field trip for a little bit
Speaker 1: and just play what if? So, Matt, you've seen pictures
Speaker 1: of the Reich cloud Buster. He designed a thing that
Speaker 1: he said could produce rain by manipulating this orgone energy
Speaker 1: which he felt was ambient already in the atmosphere and
Speaker 1: in every human being, similar to almost similar to Mediclarean's
Speaker 1: honestly for Star Star Wars fans. But how would you
Speaker 1: describe this cloud buster? Well? Which one do you mean?
Speaker 1: I know the one that I've seen from the video
Speaker 1: series we made on this. It looks like a series
Speaker 1: of tubes almost that are pointed, almost turret like or
Speaker 1: anti aircraft gun like to me, which sense, and it
Speaker 1: appears to aim. That's what like focuses and aims the
Speaker 1: organ energy. What I don't understand is are the bits
Speaker 1: that it's actually attached to, because if I'm recalling correctly,
Speaker 1: it had something to do with crystals to actually store
Speaker 1: the energy. Is that wrong, right? Metal fillings, crystals, and
Speaker 1: then a series of flexible metal hoses, right uh. And
Speaker 1: the ideas you aim it at some point in the sky.
Speaker 1: The anti aircraft comparison is really apt. Uh. You aim
Speaker 1: at at some point in the sky, and it's weirdly
Speaker 1: calls it a cloud buster because his goal is to
Speaker 1: generate clouds to become a rainmaker. Right um. The idea
Speaker 1: of dispersing clouds with the power of one's mind. For Reich,
Speaker 1: that would be a different um. That would be a
Speaker 1: kind of different application of Oregon energy. UM to others.
Speaker 1: If you're just loosely defining this in the pantheon of
Speaker 1: uh psychic powers, this would be a form of telekinesis, right,
Speaker 1: atmospheric level telekinesis. And if you do, you can try
Speaker 1: this at home. You will not be harmed, you know,
Speaker 1: use common sense. But if you are lucky enough to
Speaker 1: live in a place that has moderately good weather and
Speaker 1: uh Dixie chicks wide open space somewhere nearby, find a
Speaker 1: nice day, a day when there are cumulus clouds. Cumulus
Speaker 1: clouds are the ones that look kind of flat on
Speaker 1: the bottom and got that big cotton candy puff. You know,
Speaker 1: they sail like bricotine like ships across the sky. Go
Speaker 1: there and stare, pick one, stare you can. This is
Speaker 1: a great meditative exercise. You can picture what it looks like.
Speaker 1: Because humans are great pattern recognizers. You can and concentrate
Speaker 1: on your mind dispersing it and if you concentrate long enough,
Speaker 1: the cloud will move and disperse. The question is correlation
Speaker 1: or causation? You know what I mean? Um, they're like,
Speaker 1: there's a great there's an article by Jesse Ferrell over
Speaker 1: at a place called acuweather dot com who raises the
Speaker 1: point of um observation here, and the point of observation
Speaker 1: is is this I guess the best way to do it.
Speaker 1: We talked about this with U a p Right, most people,
Speaker 1: most people cannot identify a specific craft in the air. Right.
Speaker 1: You can see something and you can say that's a plane.
Speaker 1: And if someone says, oh cool, what generation and what
Speaker 1: type and who made it? You will just say, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's relatively rare. Um And even experience pilots, even
Speaker 1: experienced aerospace engineers, might have a tough time seen discerning
Speaker 1: a specific type of plane from the ground. A better
Speaker 1: example would be have you ever seen have you ever
Speaker 1: stood next to a traffic light when it's on the ground,
Speaker 1: when you're not looking at it from your car. Wait,
Speaker 1: so the red, yellow, and green ones just yeah, they're
Speaker 1: bigger than you think because you're used to seeing them
Speaker 1: further away. Right, I would also pose it, and I've
Speaker 1: certainly done this. Uh many people I suspect spend time
Speaker 1: focusing on a red light and turning a green, you know,
Speaker 1: with the power of my mind. Uh, how many times
Speaker 1: I've done that with like a soda can or something
Speaker 1: where I just stare at it way too long. I
Speaker 1: still do it. I used to I and I feel
Speaker 1: like that's a beautiful thing. I will walk into a
Speaker 1: place as automatic doors and I like to wave my
Speaker 1: hand like magneto, you know what I mean, Jane Gray
Speaker 1: and uh and this is not look, this is not
Speaker 1: dismissive of this. I want to get the actu weather
Speaker 1: thing first, and then let's um, let's unpack a little
Speaker 1: bit more because there is more to the story, right. Uh. So, first,
Speaker 1: our pal Jesse Farrell over at accu weather explains the
Speaker 1: cloud busting phenomenon this way. Again, We've established if you
Speaker 1: go out there and you look, you observe a cloud
Speaker 1: long enough, you will see it move, you will see
Speaker 1: it disperse. Jesse Farrell and other meteorologists say this is
Speaker 1: because the atmosphere up there is it simply looks more
Speaker 1: stable than it actually is from our vantage point, the
Speaker 1: same way that a traffic light looks smaller than it is,
Speaker 1: right the same way it's tough to tell the exact
Speaker 1: model of a plane. So the atmosphere up there is
Speaker 1: very windy, it's chaotic, and these puffy, beautiful cumulus clouds
Speaker 1: are temporary. You when you're looking at a clear sky,
Speaker 1: what you're not seeing is the swirls of temperature, right,
Speaker 1: the battling differentials of humidity, injury interacting with each other.
Speaker 1: And Ferrell describes these clouds like a leaf on a
Speaker 1: stream or their bubbles in a stream, because they're so fragile,
Speaker 1: so they don't last super long. The clouds that last
Speaker 1: the longest, the ones you really want to try to
Speaker 1: bust up if you're deploying atmospheric telekinesis, would be things
Speaker 1: like thunderstorms. They've just got they've got more stuff going on,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're more interesting characters if
Speaker 1: you're writing for the sky well, or if you're in
Speaker 1: the US you know, the western side of the US.
Speaker 1: You want to make those like as many as possibly
Speaker 1: or what if? Okay, serious clouds I love. I love
Speaker 1: studying clouds. A serious clouds are the whispy guys, you know,
Speaker 1: the little smearie looking guys, and they are much higher
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere because they have less content. Really, you know,
Speaker 1: the more water you get, the lower you get, right, uh,
Speaker 1: And so those are those are gonna last longer. They
Speaker 1: might seem harder to bust with your mind. But with
Speaker 1: with all this um in mind, I have to ask,
Speaker 1: uh not, does that explanation from from meteorologists does that
Speaker 1: satisfy what you're thinking? Like, because essentially what they're saying is,
Speaker 1: since the atmosphere is dynamic and it's always moving and
Speaker 1: all things are ephemeral, you're going to stare at a
Speaker 1: cloud until it goes away, And it might be easy
Speaker 1: to think that you created that. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree
Speaker 1: with that scientifically, because the scientific process would take place
Speaker 1: of that dissipation um if you gave it the time.
Speaker 1: I would say that it's not quite what Grady is saying.
Speaker 1: So let's get into Grady's process right after a quick
Speaker 1: word from our sponsor and we're back. Let's jump into
Speaker 1: that cloud busting process from Grady. Grady says, um, well,
Speaker 1: I did ask him if he needed orgon and he said,
Speaker 1: I mean who doesn't for extra points? That's a quote. Um.
Speaker 1: So then I just asked about the process and Grady said, um,
Speaker 1: you just focus your intent on a puffy cloud that
Speaker 1: wouldn't dissipate quickly. So he's already taking to account that
Speaker 1: the cloud is going to dissipate at some point, but
Speaker 1: he's saying target one that at least to your understanding
Speaker 1: or the way you're judging that cloud, it's not going
Speaker 1: to quickly dissipate. Observable, He says, be sure to be
Speaker 1: busting a cloud that won't fake you out, because he'sn't.
Speaker 1: He again saying it may fake you out in that
Speaker 1: it will just dissipate, and you'd think, oh, I did that, okay.
Speaker 1: He says he tried for the longest time, just using
Speaker 1: his intention at first, and that just in his mind
Speaker 1: that was just you know, staring at a cloud and
Speaker 1: in his mind thinking that cloud will no longer be there, right,
Speaker 1: this cloud will dissipate. He got really frustrated because it
Speaker 1: wasn't working. He got really really frustrated, but he didn't stop,
Speaker 1: he didn't give up. He was able to find a process.
Speaker 1: He says that kind of sounds goofy when you hear it,
Speaker 1: but it's it's worked for him numerous times. Ben, Do
Speaker 1: you want to describe what he says? Yeah? So Grady says,
Speaker 1: you take a deep belly breath deep, take your time,
Speaker 1: and you blow at the cloud while saying the word
Speaker 1: goodbye in your head, having that is your mantra goodbye,
Speaker 1: and then soften your gaze around the cloud, similar to
Speaker 1: like looking like at the old magic eye posters. I
Speaker 1: almost think, uh, and soften your gaze around the cloud.
Speaker 1: And he says, this is almost like I was able
Speaker 1: to trick my psychic muscle into making the clouds start
Speaker 1: to dissipate. And then he has some more detail about
Speaker 1: this something else that happened the first time you tried it?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he said, it's it's really weird been because
Speaker 1: it feels like it matches up with what's his name
Speaker 1: dude who does the close encounters of the fifth kind
Speaker 1: um guy we talked to on the show while ago,
Speaker 1: Stephen Stephen Greer, who uses meditation and intention to summon
Speaker 1: UFO encounters. It kind of reminds me of that because
Speaker 1: Grady said he saw an orb flying over him that
Speaker 1: first day when he was able to successfully bust a cloud.
Speaker 1: Just sounds so dirty, but it's not. It's just you're
Speaker 1: making a cloud dissipate. I don't know why busting a
Speaker 1: cloud sounds dirty to me. I think it's busting just
Speaker 1: busting in. Generally, you could say busting anything. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm about to bust the Florida over here. It still
Speaker 1: sounds weird. Sorry, I feel like I've been twelve years
Speaker 1: old on these episodes lately. All right, here we go.
Speaker 1: But Grady does say that the process may be different
Speaker 1: for everyone. That's just what's worked for him. He did
Speaker 1: get his friend, is one of his best friends, to
Speaker 1: try it with that person's girlfriend, and they did seem
Speaker 1: to be able to use that same process and make
Speaker 1: it happen. Grady's advice to all of us is, if
Speaker 1: this particular process isn't working for you, that he's the
Speaker 1: Grady is outlined here, just to try experimenting with it, right,
Speaker 1: which which lines up with the idea of intention. You know,
Speaker 1: this reminds me of when we when we spoke with
Speaker 1: our good pal Cody. Uh. They are practitioner of chaos magic,
Speaker 1: and they said, as some beautiful things to say about
Speaker 1: the idea of magic, which on this show we consider
Speaker 1: weaponized psychology. They said, it's really the intention one lends
Speaker 1: to a thing, the importance one attributes to it in
Speaker 1: one's mind. Uh. And you know, I think, Matt and
Speaker 1: Grady and all the rest of us, I think one
Speaker 1: of the best ways to approach stuff like this is
Speaker 1: to think through how we could best create parameters for
Speaker 1: reproducible experiment. And I love that you're doing this, Grady
Speaker 1: by by going to someone else and saying, hey, you
Speaker 1: try it right, let me case test, let me see
Speaker 1: what else happens here. So, for instance, I need your
Speaker 1: help with this map. For instance, if we are if
Speaker 1: we're building an observable, reproducible experiment to see whether the
Speaker 1: human mind can dissipate clouds in the atmosphere, then we
Speaker 1: would need as many things as possible to be the
Speaker 1: same except for the people. Right. So ideally we'd want well,
Speaker 1: we want the same couple of different locations, right. Um,
Speaker 1: in case there was something wonky and unique to one location.
Speaker 1: We want a couple of different locations where we know
Speaker 1: there are there's a reliable population of clouds. We would
Speaker 1: want to know observable the time that they form and dissipate,
Speaker 1: like what that time span is. We'd want some real
Speaker 1: time monitoring atmospheric conditions, right, I am. We're fun at parties, folks,
Speaker 1: we promise, And then we would want um and we'd
Speaker 1: want different people, right, And it's very difficult to control
Speaker 1: for psychology, But I think maybe the big thing is
Speaker 1: we want to set up an experiment that gives us
Speaker 1: the timeline the lifespan of ah cumulo nimbus cloud or
Speaker 1: a cumulus cloud, and then we would want to see
Speaker 1: if observation interferes with that timeline. Or we could do
Speaker 1: another thing where you take a place that always has
Speaker 1: gray clouds and see if someone can think a hole
Speaker 1: through it. Right, a very specifical like, hey, we're going
Speaker 1: to bring the moon out kind of thing and see
Speaker 1: if multiple people can do that or one person could
Speaker 1: do it multiple times, or or is observation of the
Speaker 1: clouds quote unquote natural lifespan? Is that like when you
Speaker 1: try to see if light is a particle or a
Speaker 1: wave is the near fact of applying human consciousness to
Speaker 1: it already exchange like, you know, messing up the experiment? Okay,
Speaker 1: what happens if you focus on the wrong cloud and
Speaker 1: instead it's a gene jacket? Huh? Remember that lear that movie? Nope, anyone,
Speaker 1: what a great film? Don't don't don't focus your intention
Speaker 1: on one of those things we have learned. Thanks, Peel.
Speaker 1: What what I mean? You know? And and should we
Speaker 1: be busting clouds? What have they done? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean? But I think I think we've got the
Speaker 1: lines that we could do right, Like these are things
Speaker 1: we could do or someone could do, uh to to
Speaker 1: really explore this experiment. And I just I know Matt,
Speaker 1: I know both of us. Both of us don't really
Speaker 1: enjoy it when folks dismiss something out of hands. So
Speaker 1: that's why we're careful to say, Okay, how could we
Speaker 1: get our heads around this question right? How could we
Speaker 1: see this experiment in action? What? What are the current
Speaker 1: um accepted scientific explanations? What else is out there? That's
Speaker 1: the exciting stuff? And I want I want to hear
Speaker 1: more people, uh more people's cloud busting stories or if
Speaker 1: there is anybody who is a practicing dowser or a
Speaker 1: rainmaker or something like that that would be amazing to hear. Um,
Speaker 1: we did a dowsing episode, didn't we year's back. I
Speaker 1: think we brought up dowsing on the video. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: maybe we do it in a yeah, okay, no, no,
Speaker 1: we've given ourselves some homework. Uh and thank you great.
Speaker 1: I think I think now we Uh, maybe we wrap
Speaker 1: up the episode by delivering on our promise. We wanted
Speaker 1: to play some more voicemails. Uh, and we may not
Speaker 1: be able to dive super deep into all of them,
Speaker 1: but uh, folks, credit where it's due. Credit is very
Speaker 1: important to me. Our own Matt Frederick, one and only
Speaker 1: Mr Matt Frederick has been a beast on these voicemails.
Speaker 1: And Matt, you found, uh, you found some very interesting stories. Oh. Yes,
Speaker 1: this message comes to us from I think she calls
Speaker 1: herself oswoman. I think that's what I'm hearing. It's sometimes
Speaker 1: a little difficult to understand like the code name of
Speaker 1: someone when I'm going through these. I believe that's what
Speaker 1: her name is. And she's responding to a listener mail
Speaker 1: message that we got from Tone, who was discussing this
Speaker 1: weird modem noise or the tone, that's what we called him, Tone,
Speaker 1: and she just has some interesting insight. Let's say on
Speaker 1: a similar situation. Hi, guys, this is ODS woman in Idaho.
Speaker 1: I have a message for Tone. Okay, Um, I too
Speaker 1: heard something weird on my wireless late one night. I
Speaker 1: was not on my PlayStation infects on my computer when
Speaker 1: something my computer got hacked. That's almost impossible because I'm
Speaker 1: a Microsoft engineer with a high level of security clearance,
Speaker 1: so I keep all of my products at top top, top,
Speaker 1: VPN top everything. Finally, my computer is going off and
Speaker 1: I it's not only my computer, it's my phone, it's
Speaker 1: a couple other things. Well, I called century Link immediately
Speaker 1: and they traced it. They traced the IP address and
Speaker 1: we found it was a guy living in my neighborhood,
Speaker 1: I will say my town, who had brought home a
Speaker 1: little black box from a three letter affiliation UM and
Speaker 1: he was playing with it, UM seeing if he could
Speaker 1: hack into things do things like this. And this was
Speaker 1: right near when those oil platforms got hacked. Then some
Speaker 1: other things got hacked. Well, apparently this little black box
Speaker 1: that's just what I'm gonna call it, was used in
Speaker 1: a lot of hacking situations overseas, and this guy thought
Speaker 1: it would be real cute to bring it home from work. Um,
Speaker 1: my advice to tone is getting upan get a really
Speaker 1: good one, gegnored, get something, get somebody on the phone.
Speaker 1: If you begin, call your company, call immediately, customer service,
Speaker 1: get some help. Because I didn't like it, I let
Speaker 1: this guy's supervisor know that I had a secret of
Speaker 1: better Clarency, that I was pissed. I was kicked. And
Speaker 1: so my advice is, somebody is missing around, somebody's trying
Speaker 1: to see what you're doing. Somebody's yeah, they're there, there's trying,
Speaker 1: They're trying to get in. So, uh, my advice is,
Speaker 1: don't mess with this, get a VPN and if you
Speaker 1: ever hear it again, call your provider and tell them
Speaker 1: that you have been hated in a major serious way,
Speaker 1: and then they need to get some people out to
Speaker 1: help you. So this is this is massive. This is
Speaker 1: someone with experience, who is who was speaking about the
Speaker 1: stuff at full disclosure. Uh. Several VPN services have sponsored
Speaker 1: this show in the past, including Nord VPN. UM. I
Speaker 1: do think Nord is. I do think nord is pretty solid. Um.
Speaker 1: But also but Also, I think this is great advice
Speaker 1: in general, you know, especially if you were listening, if
Speaker 1: you're listening to our show in a part of the
Speaker 1: world where, um, the current regimes may be more oppressive,
Speaker 1: maybe more. I saw iron on you and you already
Speaker 1: have a VPN. If you're lucky enough to live in
Speaker 1: a democratic society or one that purports to be one,
Speaker 1: then you should probably still have a VPN. And Matt,
Speaker 1: I know that's something you and I are lock stup about.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Ben, totally vp N all the way, all day,
Speaker 1: every country. Just be in every country at all times. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the I wish I could have a VPN
Speaker 1: for where I'm physically at walking around like analog. You know,
Speaker 1: who's that at the publix? Some guy from Switzerland. Uh
Speaker 1: that's a terrible joke. But uh but yeah, we want
Speaker 1: to air this response. I think we have time for
Speaker 1: what do you think? Maybe one or two more? Sure,
Speaker 1: And for our last voicemail, let's jump to a message
Speaker 1: we received from Sergeant Williams, who I spoke to as well.
Speaker 1: Sergeant Williams is an awesome human being. Let us hear
Speaker 1: this message. Sergeant Williams here again. Um, I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to bug you guys. I'm kind of kind of utilize
Speaker 1: you guys as my like private research group. But like, um,
Speaker 1: here's here's the thing. So at the end of World
Speaker 1: War Two with Project paper Clip and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: don't worry, I'm not like a conspiracy I'm not like
Speaker 1: trying to do conspiracy. But I think about this for
Speaker 1: a second. So at that time, the United States was
Speaker 1: against the Nazis, right, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: we got a bunch of Nazis. We brought them into
Speaker 1: the space program, we bought them into high level positions
Speaker 1: like um our intelligence agencies. We based it on the
Speaker 1: Nazi intelligence agencies. Actually we listened to their top agent
Speaker 1: right to learn about that. So and then that's when
Speaker 1: all those experiments started, the LSD, the the you know,
Speaker 1: Tuskegee experiments, all that crap that occurred. That happened after
Speaker 1: they came over and we put them in charge. And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, dude, the Nazis didn't really lose, they just
Speaker 1: can't kind of came over and transitioned into the United States.
Speaker 1: So if you guys could look into that and figure
Speaker 1: it out, that'd be cool. That's all. I know it's weird,
Speaker 1: but anyway, I love the show, loved the book. I
Speaker 1: bought two copies. I mean I bought the book and
Speaker 1: then I bought the audio book. But um, anyway, I
Speaker 1: love you guys. Man, all right, take it easy. Oh man, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is not okay. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Mission Control is going to let that fly. While
Speaker 1: we were playing that message, Matt, there's a part where
Speaker 1: where where Sarger you were saying, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: a conspiracy guy or anything, you know, I was like,
Speaker 1: I am, because you're absolutely right. One thing a lot
Speaker 1: of people in this country, in the United States rather
Speaker 1: are not aware of is that the powers that be
Speaker 1: in the US in the lead up to World War Two,
Speaker 1: many of them were huge fan ends of Nazi ideals.
Speaker 1: Nazis learned a lot about eugenics from stuff grown on
Speaker 1: American shores, from horrific experiments and policies in the United States,
Speaker 1: and the idea that the US modeled UH some modern
Speaker 1: iterations of intelligence, both in methods and an organization from
Speaker 1: UH scientists that they had scooped away or from officials
Speaker 1: they had scooped away. Makes sense to me honestly, because
Speaker 1: God knows, the rocket technology was modeled in a similar iteration, right,
Speaker 1: applying a similar process. Now, the thing is um. For
Speaker 1: some of the stuff from the Access Powers, like the
Speaker 1: horrors of Unit seven thirty one in Japan or something.
Speaker 1: The science they were doing had some value, but it
Speaker 1: is actually really bad science. It didn't hold up to
Speaker 1: a lot of rigors. Right. But the idea of organizational innovation, right,
Speaker 1: the idea of creating cells of networks and stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: you see tactics that work applied across countries, across cultures,
Speaker 1: across time, like assassination, you know, or like French fries.
Speaker 1: There's not one restaurant that owns French fries. They just
Speaker 1: know French fries work for their intended purpose. And I
Speaker 1: know that's a really messed up comparison. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just this one. This one speaks to
Speaker 1: me because you know that I and some like minded
Speaker 1: dare I say co conspirators are working on a story
Speaker 1: coming out January February. I can't remember about um about
Speaker 1: this period of time, the interwar years in the United States.
Speaker 1: It's a story that doesn't often get told to the
Speaker 1: detriment of the West, and I would argue the world.
Speaker 1: But but what it does, can we say it will
Speaker 1: be it will be a name. We can say it later.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but hopefully people will enjoy it. Worked
Speaker 1: hard on it UM. But this this brings me to um.
Speaker 1: I'm talking so much man like when you hear Sergeant
Speaker 1: Williams say, um, essentially, why aren't more people talking about what?
Speaker 1: What the US? What Uncle Sam in particular garnered from
Speaker 1: that regime in Germany? What's your initial reaction? My fascination
Speaker 1: goes directly to the intelligence aspect of it UM, simply
Speaker 1: because I was fully aware after our research into the
Speaker 1: aerospace field here in the United States and the forming
Speaker 1: of basically all a lot of our technology, all of
Speaker 1: our technology, you know, going to thinking about Huntsville, Alabama
Speaker 1: and Wornever on Brown and all of that. Uh, I
Speaker 1: knew that. I understood that. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people widely understand that the intelligence goal inside I'm not
Speaker 1: aware of and I can't even confirm right now from
Speaker 1: you know, any research of my own. So I want
Speaker 1: to look into that further for sure. Yeah, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: I'm I think we can both rank it as if
Speaker 1: not proven, we can rank it as plausible sadly again,
Speaker 1: because methods that work will be applied in other in
Speaker 1: other fields, right where wherever they can grant an edge
Speaker 1: or an insight. And we know that in the world
Speaker 1: of intelligence, Like don't let the movies fool you, folks,
Speaker 1: the idea of sleeper agents, especially in an age of surveillance,
Speaker 1: they're an endangered species. It's pretty tough to pull off.
Speaker 1: It's pretty easy for them to get burned. Um, and
Speaker 1: there's not a way to welcome back now, not realistically,
Speaker 1: but the idea of taking tried and true methods and
Speaker 1: applying them in intelligences um, more about listening. Right, So
Speaker 1: if you can get access to people who are on
Speaker 1: the inside and say, hey, this is how we did
Speaker 1: stuff right, this is how our kitchen worked, then you
Speaker 1: would be um, you would only be competent in applying
Speaker 1: those methods to your own kitchen, your own restaurants. So
Speaker 1: a convection of it, isn't that the same thing? Oh
Speaker 1: this is your miss plus okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, oh little su Vi, let's try that. Um.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't even have to be necessarily a kitchen analogy.
Speaker 1: Think of it in the world of manufacturing, right, that's
Speaker 1: why people, that's why people hire folks from different companies.
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, this is how you handle uh, this
Speaker 1: how you handle axles and struts, right, or this is
Speaker 1: your eco boost technology, whatever proprietary name you put on it.
Speaker 1: Let me learn more, right, take me into your factory
Speaker 1: and I'll use those lessons in my own. So this,
Speaker 1: unfortunately does make sense. And for anyone who notes how
Speaker 1: unethical that is, right, how you you are quite possibly
Speaker 1: giving a pass to war criminals, which did happen. The
Speaker 1: US absolutely did that, so did South American countries. If
Speaker 1: you When we think of that, we have to also
Speaker 1: think of the opposite. What if they didn't take that
Speaker 1: opportunity to collect that intelligence, to take those lessons learned
Speaker 1: and improve their methods. It's very dark, very dangerous stuff,
Speaker 1: but it's a great question. So Matt, I say that
Speaker 1: it's time for us to call it a day and
Speaker 1: dig in. I think we've got some homework. Man, We've
Speaker 1: got uh you know this this week, just in strange
Speaker 1: news and listener mail, we ran into some things that
Speaker 1: are amazing rabbit holes. We're gonna cloud bust all the
Speaker 1: pistols in public bathrooms while investigating the our neighbors little
Speaker 1: black boxes. Yes, yes, not uh, And we're going to
Speaker 1: do that all with the help of a U, some
Speaker 1: friends at a at a little building in Atlanta that
Speaker 1: we cannot call the Chinese police station. And uh, we're
Speaker 1: doing it all to stop a another coup in Germany,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So that's our show. Thank you, as always
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