Speaker 1: And Martinez in Real Life podcast. So I am at
Speaker 1: this stunning office. Thank you, the stunning office of Kim Gardashian.
Speaker 1: It's not just Kim, right, it's Skims. It's all of
Speaker 1: your businesses here. It's not really our mean Skims office,
Speaker 1: but it's everything I do. So it's my skin office.
Speaker 1: I just rebranded my beauty brand um with my skincare,
Speaker 1: with the makeup nice, the tables beautiful, the chairs are lovely.
Speaker 1: It does right. It's like, oh, like monochromatic, like when
Speaker 1: I post pictures of my house, they're they're like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is so minimal and crazy, or they're like or
Speaker 1: they get it, but I love it. I just like
Speaker 1: I get it for you. When I came in, I
Speaker 1: felt immediately peaceful. Yeah, And I realized, like, for your
Speaker 1: life and as crazy as your life is, this one
Speaker 1: you must need this, like you must need peace at
Speaker 1: any anyway you can get it. And when I walk
Speaker 1: in and I see just a calm, peaceful like workspace,
Speaker 1: living space. The people who work here are old color coordinated. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is that intentional? Absolutely? I have I have Well it's
Speaker 1: not like, hey, this is like your uniform, it's just
Speaker 1: color palettes. Is this like a handbook, though, Is this
Speaker 1: like handbook? Yeah? Grays, heather, gray, black, navy, white, cream, khaki.
Speaker 1: I mean we can stick with all neutrals and like
Speaker 1: not not a lot of color blocking, Like my house
Speaker 1: is so zen. So I asked how everyone felt about it,
Speaker 1: and everyone actually said that would make our life so easy.
Speaker 1: And once everyone was on board and thought it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be easier for them, yes, let's do this. It's so good.
Speaker 1: It really is a feeling. It should like a few
Speaker 1: a free dress day on their birthdays or something that
Speaker 1: irritate the whole day. First of all, Kim, thank you
Speaker 1: for doing this today. It was such like I was
Speaker 1: coming to l a I've shot here before. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because this podcast, actually my first episode was with
Speaker 1: Lauren London and sharing her story and how she's gotten
Speaker 1: her she have you met her? Lauren? Yeah, she's um,
Speaker 1: She's had a lot of work on herself, but she's
Speaker 1: managed to get through this type of trauma. And she
Speaker 1: just opened up this podcast in a way that was
Speaker 1: so truthful and so honest that it just like set
Speaker 1: the tone off for me and the types of conversations
Speaker 1: I wanted to have because after you talk about the
Speaker 1: real is ship. Ever, it's very hard to go back
Speaker 1: to conversations about what are you wearing exactly? Know, I'm
Speaker 1: interested in what your staff wears, but you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I'm so interested in having like real
Speaker 1: conversations about just our real lives and what I'm what
Speaker 1: I'm most interested in you about is you seem to
Speaker 1: have navigated because you have a very complex, hated life
Speaker 1: that is so big. It's so big, and everybody has
Speaker 1: so many opinions about it, and you're constantly um the
Speaker 1: topic of conversation, which brings so much energy to you.
Speaker 1: You just there's so much energy around you, and I
Speaker 1: just fascinated how you manage it? Yeah? Um, and do
Speaker 1: you manage it well? And and how and what are
Speaker 1: the keys? And I do manage it well. When I'm
Speaker 1: going through something, I take a minute and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: but because so much happens all the time, sometimes I
Speaker 1: don't have all I can't put all my energy into that.
Speaker 1: If something is happening to me, I will make sure
Speaker 1: that I deal with that, whether it's like um situation
Speaker 1: that I need to just like dig deeper in myself
Speaker 1: to figure out why this is happening or situations that
Speaker 1: have happened, and I felt like I needed to go
Speaker 1: to therapy. I per personally don't have a therapist, and
Speaker 1: I'm not the biggest therapy person, but I'm not opposed
Speaker 1: to it if I feel like I needed at that moment.
Speaker 1: So I'll take care of myself and I'll make sure
Speaker 1: that I take a beat. But um, I do manage
Speaker 1: it well. And I think that I am probably the
Speaker 1: most calm person mentally. Emotionally, I just yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think that, like if anyone can handle things that have
Speaker 1: come my way, it's definitely me. Doesn't mean that it's
Speaker 1: not hard and doesn't mean that I don't feel it opinions,
Speaker 1: and when I see a lot of stuff, sometimes that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff gets to me and I wish I
Speaker 1: was a bit stronger at that. But I do manage
Speaker 1: it well. You do know you have to manage it
Speaker 1: well because people would quit, people would have breakdowns. The
Speaker 1: amount of energy that you carry around you all the time,
Speaker 1: I don't think the average person could withstand in a
Speaker 1: healthy way. And I've I've said that to like family
Speaker 1: members after like some ship has gone down. I was like,
Speaker 1: you guys, thank god this happened to me, because if
Speaker 1: this happened to you, you'd be fucked up for the
Speaker 1: rest of your life. Like I truly believe that. And
Speaker 1: I don't know why I was given that ability what
Speaker 1: to take it. I don't know. I really don't know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I mean, I joke with them and I'm like, you, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm like a robot robot because sometimes I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I can I don't know why
Speaker 1: I can handle this. I saw you were in Miami
Speaker 1: this you look amazing, by the way, just a little
Speaker 1: strap things out at the house. And I saw Serena,
Speaker 1: who I know your friends with post some pictures, so
Speaker 1: then I want to wrap them down a rabbit hole
Speaker 1: and looking at some of the comments, and that's what
Speaker 1: I don't do. I don't look at comments. I can't
Speaker 1: like some people bullshit and they're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I don't look at it, like I actually don't. And
Speaker 1: then if I do, that's the time where I'll like
Speaker 1: spiral for a minute and then I'll just say like,
Speaker 1: I actually can't like too much. But what I think
Speaker 1: it is. Part of it is because I'm like everybody,
Speaker 1: so mean, like, what is that there's like a thing
Speaker 1: about you that people don't think you're like human. It's
Speaker 1: like your because your brands, your family, it's like you've
Speaker 1: become this like um thing and there's no understanding that
Speaker 1: like this is like a woman. It's a woman at
Speaker 1: the other end of that energy. UM, I don't know
Speaker 1: what do you say to that to people, or to
Speaker 1: do you do you even give it any energy in
Speaker 1: your life or do you that I actually don't and
Speaker 1: I actually don't care really that kind of stuff, I genuinely,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's like fascinating that, um, there
Speaker 1: is a lot of negative hate and energy towards my
Speaker 1: family because we all really like mind our own business.
Speaker 1: We're all, you know, just obsessed with each other and
Speaker 1: and just we're like a super super close family. So
Speaker 1: I don't know where that energy came from or where
Speaker 1: that started. We've never really tried to like assess it
Speaker 1: or like what is it or what you know? But
Speaker 1: yet we definitely are held responsible for a lot of
Speaker 1: things that even aren't even us. We take that burnin
Speaker 1: on you especially. I mean I think Chloe, I think me,
Speaker 1: I think you know, I think a lot of us
Speaker 1: my mom. You know, I think you a lot. I
Speaker 1: think you a lot because I feel like all that
Speaker 1: energy comes to you. Do you feel like yeah, and
Speaker 1: I used to really feel that way, you know. And
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like I've felt a little bit
Speaker 1: of separation since i've you know, I filed for divorce
Speaker 1: like two years ago, so I started to slowly feel
Speaker 1: that separation. UM. But you know, I think that that
Speaker 1: will always follow me. You know. I think you're so
Speaker 1: gracious about it. I'll be honest, I thank you, thank you. UM,
Speaker 1: even when you were attacked or maybe, um, I don't
Speaker 1: know if attacked or if you've ever felt attacked or
Speaker 1: may be accused of things. UM, you haven't all the time, yeah,
Speaker 1: all the time, just recently actually again all the time.
Speaker 1: You know. Is it is it a conscious thing to
Speaker 1: um not talk about it or to ah. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like, and this could just be my assumption
Speaker 1: is that you protect your kids. I definitely protected him,
Speaker 1: and I still will in the eyes of my kids
Speaker 1: for my kids. So in my home, my kids don't
Speaker 1: know anything that goes on on the outside world, and
Speaker 1: I've managed, I've managed to I'm holding them by a thread.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like so close to that not happening,
Speaker 1: but while it's still that way, I will protect that
Speaker 1: to the end of the earth as long as I can,
Speaker 1: like I will. I mean, my kids they don't know
Speaker 1: anything so so at school, like some of my best
Speaker 1: friends are the teachers, so I know what goes on
Speaker 1: at recess. I know what goes on at lunchtime. I
Speaker 1: hear what's being talked about. None of the kids have
Speaker 1: ever seen anything to my kids, um social media. My
Speaker 1: kids aren't North has a TikTok account on my phone
Speaker 1: and my phone only they're just not on social media.
Speaker 1: They don't see stuff I keep, you know, when stuff's
Speaker 1: going down, Like I protect stuff in the how as
Speaker 1: far as like the TVs and the content that feels
Speaker 1: like it must be a full time job. It is, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is, yeah, but worth it, Yeah, I mean worth
Speaker 1: it because I think that. Of course, I want to
Speaker 1: disassociate in specific thoughts and things being said because that's
Speaker 1: not me. But at the same time, in my home,
Speaker 1: like I could be going through something, but if we're
Speaker 1: writing to school and they want to listen to their
Speaker 1: dad's music, no matter what we're going through, no matter
Speaker 1: what is being happening in the world, Like I have
Speaker 1: to have that, you know, smile on my face and
Speaker 1: blast his music and sing along with my kids and
Speaker 1: act like nothing's wrong. You know, as soon as I
Speaker 1: drop them off, I can have a good cry or
Speaker 1: you know, text back and do what I gotta do.
Speaker 1: But it's like I had the best at I had.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get emotional. It's just been a day,
Speaker 1: but it's been a time. You know. It's hard. Ship
Speaker 1: is like co parenting. It's really fucking hard, you know,
Speaker 1: and like you're not co parent thing with the just anyone.
Speaker 1: But I had the best dad, and I had the
Speaker 1: best memories and the greatest experience. And that's all I
Speaker 1: want for my kids. As long as they can have that,
Speaker 1: that's what I would want for them, you know. So
Speaker 1: like if they don't know things that are being said
Speaker 1: or what's happening in the world, Like why would I
Speaker 1: ever bring that energy to them? You know, that's like
Speaker 1: really heavy, heavy grown up ship that they're not ready
Speaker 1: to like deal with, you know. And when they are,
Speaker 1: we'll have those conversations, but like and I'll be so prepared,
Speaker 1: but until them, I'll do anything to like keep their
Speaker 1: life as normal as possible. You know, they don't have
Speaker 1: a normal this is like but they're so normal, Like
Speaker 1: they really really are, Like they're super like, like super
Speaker 1: creative and super special. But as far as just like socially,
Speaker 1: they're super normal. And I love that for them. And
Speaker 1: that's why I like, you know, I love just all
Speaker 1: their fronts, like everyone. They just have the best crew.
Speaker 1: The TikTok is so good. Oh my god, it's so
Speaker 1: embarrassing the things you'll do for your kids. I will
Speaker 1: do TikTok dances with Nor always said that here's the thing, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm not like a great dancer. I hate to dance.
Speaker 1: It's just not my thing. It's like so not my thing.
Speaker 1: You would never get not in a billion years. I
Speaker 1: would never get on TikTok. I saw a thread the
Speaker 1: other day about people saying that North runs you, but
Speaker 1: she does a little bit. But when I get when
Speaker 1: when it's serious, and she knows, she knows I'm when
Speaker 1: I'm being serious, But I just I just let her,
Speaker 1: you know, Like the other day, we're just in the
Speaker 1: car and she puts on these beats with no like
Speaker 1: words or lyrics, and she just sits in the car.
Speaker 1: She could for hours just wraps like over the beans
Speaker 1: can just so I pressed record on my phone just
Speaker 1: so that like one day she'll hear it and it'll
Speaker 1: be so cute. I'm like a memory documentary. I like
Speaker 1: to keep everything. And so that's just like our fun times,
Speaker 1: just just driving around. And she loves to blast music
Speaker 1: and just like freestyle. It's so she's gonna be like
Speaker 1: a rapper. Like what is she gonna know? She's gonna
Speaker 1: she's gonna be fashioned, right, what do you see? What
Speaker 1: are you? What is your dream for your kids? I
Speaker 1: know you want them to be happy and do what
Speaker 1: they love, but like, no, but that's it, like and
Speaker 1: just be happy. I just truly want them to be
Speaker 1: happy in what they do. And I have very very
Speaker 1: happy babies, Like they are so such good kids, so
Speaker 1: happy and kind, and they are probably my biggest reality check.
Speaker 1: I mean my morning madness in the morning to get
Speaker 1: four babies ready for school is insanity? Does that every
Speaker 1: day you have help? You have help? I do have
Speaker 1: help in the morning. I have one person to help
Speaker 1: me in the morning with the two little ones, mainly,
Speaker 1: and I get up really early to work out before
Speaker 1: everyone wakes. Up, and I always leave a note, like
Speaker 1: there's always a baby in my bed, so I'll leave
Speaker 1: a note like I'm in the gym if you wake up,
Speaker 1: you know. Otherwise as soon as I get in, I
Speaker 1: wake everybody up, and then it's like a mad rush
Speaker 1: out to get ready and do hair and you know
Speaker 1: the whole thing. So there's so in habit any other way,
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy? How was like women like I could
Speaker 1: sit here and ask you, oh the things that you've
Speaker 1: been throughing your doors or whatever, and you're like answering me,
Speaker 1: just find it. But the second we talk about our kids, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a different type of like, yeah, it just hits different.
Speaker 1: How we want to protect them, how we wanna you know,
Speaker 1: the thought of them having to deal with something that's
Speaker 1: challenging or hurtful or And you asked me about like
Speaker 1: the grace I one day my kids will thank me
Speaker 1: for not sitting here and like bashing their dad and
Speaker 1: I could, you know, like of course all the crazy
Speaker 1: ship that's you know, not just me, it like it
Speaker 1: kills me for my family. Like I'm like I can
Speaker 1: handle it, but like they'll thank me and I will
Speaker 1: be I'll privately answer anything that they want to know,
Speaker 1: but it's not my place anymore to really like jump in,
Speaker 1: and sometimes obviously I have to, but then sometimes I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I posted something in support of the
Speaker 1: Jewish community, or like even with the Balenciaga thing, it
Speaker 1: was like everyone was like, why aren't you speaking out?
Speaker 1: Why aren't you speaking out? And I'm like, wait, I'm
Speaker 1: not in this campaign. I don't know what's happening. Let
Speaker 1: me like take a minute to research this. And then
Speaker 1: as soon as I saw what everyone was seeing on
Speaker 1: the internet in the reality of the situation, I completely
Speaker 1: spoke out and gave my my thoughts on child Born
Speaker 1: and completely denounced it. But because I didn't say fuck
Speaker 1: you Balenciaga, that's it. People got mad at that. So
Speaker 1: it's like I'm they're mad if I don't speak out,
Speaker 1: they're mad if I do speak out, and if I
Speaker 1: don't cancel, they're just mad that if you don't cancel
Speaker 1: someone in today's society, then it's just like, I know
Speaker 1: people talk about cancel culture and how crazy it is,
Speaker 1: but it's still happening. And so it's never been my place.
Speaker 1: The whole point of life is to make mistakes. Is
Speaker 1: to grow and to evolve and to be better people. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there is absolutely no place or an ounce to even
Speaker 1: play with anything with children, like any sexualization of children.
Speaker 1: There's like not an ounce of that in our should
Speaker 1: be in our brains and in our society. I get that.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have been more clear on this is horrifying.
Speaker 1: This is this, this is disturbing. I mean, but unless
Speaker 1: they heard what they wanted to hear is like, fuck you,
Speaker 1: You're canceled. Don't you feel like that was Ne're a
Speaker 1: part of you that feels like no matter what you
Speaker 1: say or no matter what you said, that there's just
Speaker 1: there will be people who have a problem with whatever
Speaker 1: version of response you have to a Balenciaga or to
Speaker 1: something you know Kanye might say, or don't you feel
Speaker 1: like you can't win or totally you definitely can't win
Speaker 1: no matter what, you can't win. But I'll still be me.
Speaker 1: I just think that my this week was just really
Speaker 1: testing for me, just because I'm in so much other
Speaker 1: ship that's not my ship, and that is like, I
Speaker 1: just you know, when you just don't want to be
Speaker 1: a part of the narrative, but you're brought in. But
Speaker 1: then I have to take responsibility and say, Okay, people
Speaker 1: look at me as the face of this, so let
Speaker 1: me let me speak out. I just always want to
Speaker 1: do the right thing, and you always have to just
Speaker 1: do what feels right, and you just can't take on
Speaker 1: all that extra energy because is there trauma in that?
Speaker 1: Because I think for you, do you wake up every
Speaker 1: morning and be like what could have? What? What ship
Speaker 1: could hit me today? Or wish it could hit my
Speaker 1: family today? There's got to be like trauma in that,
Speaker 1: like that you have that feeling every day? Or do
Speaker 1: you not have that feeling every day? I can't. You
Speaker 1: can't live like that. You can't. I mean there's obviously
Speaker 1: you know, maybe certain times or you know, when I
Speaker 1: was in a relationship before, and you definitely wake up
Speaker 1: and be like what are we going to hear today?
Speaker 1: What are we going to hear today? Stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But I mean as far as like the family as
Speaker 1: a whole, like thank god we just have each other,
Speaker 1: Thank god, you know, because it isn't how we I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just like together we've been we've been having like
Speaker 1: family meetings just over dinners and just really talking about
Speaker 1: like life and what makes us happy, and so I
Speaker 1: think just coming together. The closer we are, the more
Speaker 1: we can tune it all out and just we have
Speaker 1: these deep conversations about what's going on in the world.
Speaker 1: And it's a really different time, you know, and it's
Speaker 1: really scary for sure for everyone. But you just always
Speaker 1: have to do you You always have to stay focused,
Speaker 1: and you always just have to live your authentic life
Speaker 1: and not worry about all these opinions. You know, what
Speaker 1: I wonder for you is like, because you've been in
Speaker 1: this for so long and have been just subject to
Speaker 1: opinion for so many years. I was thinking today and
Speaker 1: wondering if ever, you know, you brush off some criticism
Speaker 1: as hate and stuff, but ever, if there's been any
Speaker 1: criticism where you felt like that's fair, or if you've
Speaker 1: had to like self correct something totally based on reaction
Speaker 1: to you or your whatever. Just see, That's what I'm like,
Speaker 1: actually really good at, is taking the criticism, like if
Speaker 1: people were just real and not hateful and just be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I really don't like this, and I
Speaker 1: think that you should do this. I'm so open to
Speaker 1: those suggestions. I mean, like, even when I was starting SKIMS,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that our name that was Kimono was
Speaker 1: going to be appropriating and right away it wasn't even
Speaker 1: an option like, let's let's change this. This is making
Speaker 1: a lot of noise and I didn't see it, and
Speaker 1: the whole team didn't see it, and that happens sometimes,
Speaker 1: but let's do the right thing, and we did, so
Speaker 1: I'm open to that. What about when people were reacted
Speaker 1: so strongly to the you telling people to work their
Speaker 1: ass off? Was that a similar type of moment for you?
Speaker 1: Like that that affected it? Right? I hear you like
Speaker 1: I hear you, you know, And when people were expressing
Speaker 1: how they felt it was that was a weird one
Speaker 1: because so many people were like absolutely yeah, and in
Speaker 1: my understand why everybody was so mad. I actually had
Speaker 1: with my producer of Brittany I was at what we
Speaker 1: were talking about it. She's twenty something. I was like,
Speaker 1: really the wire people just met, and so she was like,
Speaker 1: we were talking about the fact that maybe some people
Speaker 1: are you know, they look at you as being privileged
Speaker 1: totally um and maybe that has to do totally and
Speaker 1: that is that what you received from it? Like what
Speaker 1: did you receive? I received that also, So the context
Speaker 1: in that was I had just been doing interviews for
Speaker 1: the last few weeks on people to work in my office,
Speaker 1: and everyone had all of these you know, well, I
Speaker 1: only want these hours, I want Fridays off, I don't
Speaker 1: want to do this, I don't want to do this,
Speaker 1: so I'll only do this. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: I come from a time when we just grinded and
Speaker 1: everyone that I'm super close with that is built our
Speaker 1: businesses together, we would just kind of do anything any job,
Speaker 1: like get it all together, even if it wasn't our job,
Speaker 1: and we'd ask for something, we just get it done
Speaker 1: and we would just you know, and also coming from
Speaker 1: like that workaholic mindset. Um, I think I just came
Speaker 1: off of all those interviews being like, damn, like no
Speaker 1: one really wants to work. Everyone has all these like
Speaker 1: um god, I'm blanking on the word, but everyone had
Speaker 1: all these provisions of what they wanted in their job,
Speaker 1: and um, I just never would have come into a
Speaker 1: job interview like that. That was different for me, you know,
Speaker 1: and like this younger generation. But I think people also
Speaker 1: took it like it was coming out of COVID. A
Speaker 1: lot of people that really wanted to work didn't have
Speaker 1: the opportunities to work and might not have had the
Speaker 1: opportunities that I have had. And so I saw that,
Speaker 1: and I was really mindful of that that, like, sometimes
Speaker 1: people do really want to work their ass off and
Speaker 1: they're not given those opportunities and they're not in the
Speaker 1: position to do that even if they really want to.
Speaker 1: So I saw that, and I'm super super sensitive to that.
Speaker 1: And if I say something like I just wasn't generalizing
Speaker 1: it for a bunch of people. It was just my
Speaker 1: specific experience. I had a similar one. I just posted
Speaker 1: recently on Twitter because I was looking we were looking
Speaker 1: to hire somebody like at an entry level to help
Speaker 1: us with the podcasts and stuff, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: we're old, like back in the day we had interns.
Speaker 1: I interned for years for radio, and I was like,
Speaker 1: where are the interns? And the response I got was nuts.
Speaker 1: People were like, that's like, we don't do that anymore,
Speaker 1: no work the work for free doesn't like people were angry,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I was trying to give somebody
Speaker 1: an opportunity. It was like I was looking for a
Speaker 1: paid intern, and not even a paid intern, it was
Speaker 1: more like an entry level kind of gig. But I
Speaker 1: was just looking for young, hungry people who wanted to
Speaker 1: learn something and um, but the times are different, and
Speaker 1: so that was education for me. I was like, I
Speaker 1: get it, and actually they're right, people shouldn't because I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are people have been abused in those type
Speaker 1: of situations, and so I got it. But I told
Speaker 1: that's what I was talking. But I come from the
Speaker 1: same thing. I come from working my ass off and
Speaker 1: till I passed out, And so I understood how that
Speaker 1: happened for you, and that's wondered what you got from it.
Speaker 1: The two kids open my eyes to that. Now it
Speaker 1: really did. I'm oh, I just always try to Like
Speaker 1: I think also, no matter what phase, no matter what
Speaker 1: stage a matter my life, I'm never too above or
Speaker 1: never too good to want to learn something new and
Speaker 1: to not I never I want to stop evolving. I
Speaker 1: never want to stop growing, you know, I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: not that type that thinks I know everything. But I'm
Speaker 1: also not one of those people that is like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I wish I wasn't famous. Being a celebrity
Speaker 1: is so hard. Obviously, more money, more problems like all
Speaker 1: of that. Yes, you know, when my mom lives with
Speaker 1: that guilt a lot, you know, Like God, if I
Speaker 1: hadn't really like encouraged everyone, maybe we wouldn't have like
Speaker 1: some of these hardships that come in our lives. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, mom, this what our journey is. This is
Speaker 1: like for us to elevate to the next level. Like
Speaker 1: we have to go through these things in life in
Speaker 1: order to be able to grow and evolve and get
Speaker 1: to the next level. Like, this is what our journey
Speaker 1: is supposed to be, these hard things. What would life
Speaker 1: be if nothing was? You kind of enjoy the challenge,
Speaker 1: am And I think too, Maybe not when I'm in it,
Speaker 1: but I'm proud that I made it through. And I'm
Speaker 1: proud that I I learned my lesson from every single
Speaker 1: thing that I go through. I'm so not oblivious to
Speaker 1: what's happening when it's happening, and that is, I think,
Speaker 1: such an important place to get to, even if I'm like,
Speaker 1: even if it's a smaller thing, I'm like, Okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: Is there ever a time where you do feel like
Speaker 1: you could? I know, you know, I know You're not
Speaker 1: the what was me? I'm famous. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be famous, but like because you can't even can you
Speaker 1: go to the supermarket? You can go to the supermarket,
Speaker 1: you can't go to can you go anywhere? Do you
Speaker 1: ever miss any normal life activities? Like what I mean,
Speaker 1: I really missed going to like CVS and stuff like
Speaker 1: that was my life. I saw you go to CVS
Speaker 1: with David Letterman. This is the first time in hell
Speaker 1: long in a long time. But I'm also like, I
Speaker 1: went to see VS today. It was really not that great.
Speaker 1: I just love going up the It was okay, Target, Walmart,
Speaker 1: like all those a grocery store. Couldn't you do like
Speaker 1: I know, Beyonce does Beyonce I said she's put the
Speaker 1: guys on to go a bicycle on a bike in
Speaker 1: Central Park. Have you ever tried? No? I mean I
Speaker 1: think it's like because then you need security because you
Speaker 1: need to you know, It's like, it's fine, You're okay,
Speaker 1: I'm fine. You know you can have a CVS in
Speaker 1: the back of the office. I'm fine. What are you
Speaker 1: most proud of about yourself? I mean, I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: proud of your kids, but I mean about you likely
Speaker 1: like um, in terms of your evolution and what you've
Speaker 1: become and what you've built I'm most proud that I've
Speaker 1: got into a place in my life where it's not
Speaker 1: all about me, and a lot of my life has
Speaker 1: been all about me, and I um houscle just in
Speaker 1: helping other people and dedicating a lot of my time
Speaker 1: and energy to helping as many people as I can,
Speaker 1: just in the prison system and learning a lot and
Speaker 1: probably like the challenge of actually going back to school.
Speaker 1: I never was like a school girl. I never really
Speaker 1: liked it. So the challenge of like going back and
Speaker 1: having to study. I mean I do like twenty hours
Speaker 1: a week plus you know, every single day. I take
Speaker 1: one day a week off and um, you know, I
Speaker 1: have like about a year and a half. What are
Speaker 1: you working on now? Like what are the cases? Because
Speaker 1: you're doing as you're studying, and so I work on
Speaker 1: cases at the same time. Um, I will be working
Speaker 1: on I mean the Julius Jones case in Oklahoma. We
Speaker 1: um he was granted a stay of execution, but he
Speaker 1: still is now in prison life without parole. So that'll
Speaker 1: be something that will work on until we get him
Speaker 1: out and continue to fight for him. UM working on
Speaker 1: c murders case constantly. What do you do exactly? Like
Speaker 1: is it. We're trying to get him out, but everything
Speaker 1: is there, every situation is different, and I do everything
Speaker 1: privately first. That's my strategy. So if I have to
Speaker 1: get to the governor and the attorneys, I will work
Speaker 1: privately until it doesn't work anymore. And we really have
Speaker 1: to get loud. And even when I get loud, and
Speaker 1: I mentioned people, a lot of the times we have
Speaker 1: communicated first before, so I do like to communicate with
Speaker 1: whatever whoever is in power or to help me these decisions.
Speaker 1: And it's lengthy processes. There was something I didn't know
Speaker 1: at the beginning and thought that everyone just got out
Speaker 1: when you make the call, and with Alice, I was
Speaker 1: really naive to how this all worked. Um, but it's
Speaker 1: it's a lot of work that goes behind it, and
Speaker 1: a lot of the paperwork in the drafts that have
Speaker 1: to be written. There's so many other cases that I'm
Speaker 1: working on. Why are you doing this? I wondered if
Speaker 1: it had to do with your dad, I think it's
Speaker 1: I think he would like love it, and he would
Speaker 1: be so proud of me and so happy for me.
Speaker 1: That's for you, I mean him and I talked about it,
Speaker 1: actually we talked about me going to law school, and
Speaker 1: he was like he actually was like listen, I don't
Speaker 1: think being an attorney is going to be your thing,
Speaker 1: and and we talked about it, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like it's just more of like a personal challenge. I
Speaker 1: hated how I felt when I went into the White
Speaker 1: House for the first time and I didn't know half
Speaker 1: of anything that they were saying, like all of the
Speaker 1: like clemency talk and all of the attorney lingo and
Speaker 1: everything that they were talking about. I literally was sitting
Speaker 1: there like texting my attorney that was next to me,
Speaker 1: Like I was to the point where I didn't even
Speaker 1: know like all of the abbreviations in the White House.
Speaker 1: So they were like, Okay, this person at the d
Speaker 1: J and the and I was like, what is my
Speaker 1: attorney was like come on, Department of Justice, and like
Speaker 1: she kept texting me all this stuff. But I was
Speaker 1: never too embarrassed to ask. And I think that sometimes,
Speaker 1: like you go into something and you like I should
Speaker 1: know all this stuff, and so I just I just
Speaker 1: dove into it. And then they kept on inviting me back,
Speaker 1: like to full clemency meetings of how to make the
Speaker 1: clemency process easier. And I remember having this big meeting
Speaker 1: in the Roosevelt Room and and I just was I
Speaker 1: want I had to bring my attorneys with me, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to be able to be there on my own.
Speaker 1: And I felt like every time I helped someone, it
Speaker 1: would always be like, Okay, well talk talking to the team, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: what can we do? What can you do? I'll just
Speaker 1: like supervise, but like, what can you do? Because you're
Speaker 1: the attorney, they can get them out. And I just
Speaker 1: feel like I can get more people out if I
Speaker 1: knew it and I can do it myself. I do
Speaker 1: all the work. It's not just a small thing. You know. Celebrities,
Speaker 1: people without access or privilege decide so they want to
Speaker 1: give back in some type of way. So they write
Speaker 1: a check, or they they donated a little bit of
Speaker 1: a time, or they support a cause. This amount of
Speaker 1: efforts that you are putting anyway, from my kids every
Speaker 1: single day for three hours a day, you know, it's
Speaker 1: I do test I had some mid terms last week,
Speaker 1: writing essays I'm doing And then what's the end goal?
Speaker 1: Do you have a vision for it? Like do you
Speaker 1: know what? Like I hope that I can open up
Speaker 1: a firm that hires formally incarcerated people. I think they
Speaker 1: know the laws so well. A lot of the people
Speaker 1: inside that have had to fight for their lives with
Speaker 1: no attorney, no access to attorneys, no good at sometimes
Speaker 1: not a good attorney. So I really have a lot
Speaker 1: of faith and trust that I can open up a
Speaker 1: firm that just like hires some really smart people that
Speaker 1: just work on getting people out. This is like a
Speaker 1: huge reason why I also don't cancel people. Everyone cancels everybody,
Speaker 1: but everyone cancels these people that like make a bad choice,
Speaker 1: a horrible choice, a really crazy choice sometimes. But then
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think that redemption for I
Speaker 1: think anybody's like I believe in redemption absolutely, like absolutely,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean I I I hope that this
Speaker 1: is you know what, I just like I do see
Speaker 1: like one day just being an attorney and like giving
Speaker 1: up a little kim Ki, you know, I do see that.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. I don't know if I don't know if
Speaker 1: you could pull it off because you love this. You
Speaker 1: love this, I know how much, how much as like
Speaker 1: in real life, so we it's amazing how you inspire
Speaker 1: looks you wear something I see I go out I see.
Speaker 1: I saw today and now I'm in at Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: so I really see the kim Ki effect. In my
Speaker 1: hotel lobby, I saw three girls that looked like you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: their hair was the same color blonde, They had the
Speaker 1: same they were the same thing. Kind of dyed my
Speaker 1: hair blonde because I was like, okay, I want to
Speaker 1: switch it up, want to switch okay. But then when
Speaker 1: you switch it up, there was a whole fashion movement
Speaker 1: of people that kind of come, do you love that?
Speaker 1: Like is that a thing for you? Like, do you
Speaker 1: still have that? I don't really think about it, you
Speaker 1: don't know. I just like do what I like and
Speaker 1: when I feel like a change and when I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't really think about that. I just
Speaker 1: do like what I want to do and the makeup
Speaker 1: that I like. And I'm not thinking of like, oh
Speaker 1: I have to start a trend. I just wondering, like,
Speaker 1: in real life, how much clothing means to you? I
Speaker 1: mean material things, because that is a criticism. Interesting is
Speaker 1: like it used to mean so much to me, and
Speaker 1: it's completely how I valued my importance by the things
Speaker 1: that I had, the cars that I had, I had
Speaker 1: to have like I thought that that made me cooler,
Speaker 1: and after I was robbed of all of it in Paris,
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was needing that lesson, but that
Speaker 1: lesson was so well received. Isn't it crazy how the
Speaker 1: universe will give you exactly what you need, even if
Speaker 1: you don't understand it in the momently, even if I
Speaker 1: believe that like shakes you to your core, like my bags,
Speaker 1: my stuff, even the memories of it, Like I know
Speaker 1: I have that memory, so I don't really need that object.
Speaker 1: I have objects. I have it all and now that
Speaker 1: like when all my jewelry and stuff was taken from me,
Speaker 1: like I don't I just truly don't care about stuff
Speaker 1: like that, Like I want what feels good. I want
Speaker 1: if it's a memory, I'll hold on to that, but
Speaker 1: if it was taken again, it wouldn't affect me, Like
Speaker 1: things are now just for fun for me. But the
Speaker 1: lesson of having it all taken from me really made
Speaker 1: me understand that, like all of this stuff doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: and all of this stuff can be taken from you,
Speaker 1: it doesn't go with you. And I'm so happy that
Speaker 1: that all happened to me, And like there's fires in
Speaker 1: Calabasas and sometimes you know, we have to pack up
Speaker 1: our whole house the first year, go to my shoe
Speaker 1: and back closet, pack up everything. Maybe the first two fires.
Speaker 1: I mean I have all my stuff, like my letters
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, Like I already got
Speaker 1: rid of that stuff. But far as stuff in the house,
Speaker 1: go for it. Now there's a fire, I'd literally just
Speaker 1: walk out with my babies, like I wouldn't even waste
Speaker 1: the time. Like it doesn't hold the same weight for you, right,
Speaker 1: I still love it. You still love pretty things and totally,
Speaker 1: but that's it's like the fun icing on the cake.
Speaker 1: It's not the cake. I don't need it, and I'm
Speaker 1: and I'm secure and confident in myself to know that
Speaker 1: that I could walk out, I know i'd makeup on
Speaker 1: and all that and stuff like I even that was
Speaker 1: like a shield, you know, always having to be made up,
Speaker 1: always having to look a certain way. No one likes
Speaker 1: to dress up more than me, but I know I
Speaker 1: don't need to and I don't care what the comments
Speaker 1: say and all of that. If I were to go
Speaker 1: out not looking the way that people want me to,
Speaker 1: that is like I feel the way that I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm in my life right now. I feel free.
Speaker 1: I feel free of things. I feel free of like opinions.
Speaker 1: There's moments, you'll have your moment, but I'd say in
Speaker 1: this last year, this year for me, even I got
Speaker 1: emotional before talking about Kanye, but that was in relation
Speaker 1: to like my kids and my protection. I feel free
Speaker 1: in the sense that I am not anybody else. I
Speaker 1: don't hold anyone else's thoughts, opinions burdens. And I used
Speaker 1: to hold this guilt that I wasn't there to fix
Speaker 1: situations and I wasn't there to put it all back
Speaker 1: together or to I'm I'm free. Do you never feel
Speaker 1: the urge to like? And I feel like you do
Speaker 1: some times watching your show and you respond to things
Speaker 1: one needed. Yeah, but like and it's on my mood, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I mean recently he accused you of some things,
Speaker 1: but he always has accused you of some things and
Speaker 1: or attached you to people or your family members to people,
Speaker 1: and you haven't really said anything about any of that.
Speaker 1: Because it's like if I'm in a petty moon, I'll
Speaker 1: go back and I'll be like, Okay, I have all
Speaker 1: the receipts, you know, and like Okay, you wanna mess
Speaker 1: with me on this, like, oh my god, the receipts
Speaker 1: I have. But then I go back to my babies
Speaker 1: and I think they will see if they'll feel my energy.
Speaker 1: I'm the one that's at home with them seven and
Speaker 1: they will feel my energy. And if I have to
Speaker 1: go and deflect every ridiculous thing that is said about me,
Speaker 1: even if it's from the per person that was the
Speaker 1: closest to me that was supposed to protect me and
Speaker 1: still will post I'm your protector and I'm I'm protecting whatever.
Speaker 1: If I go and let the energy in my life
Speaker 1: to go say this one is not true, and this
Speaker 1: one's not true, and this one's not true, and no,
Speaker 1: this is not true about my mom and no. It's
Speaker 1: like I go back and forth on that. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: want to like get so sometimes I get heated and
Speaker 1: I'm like, that is so not true, and it like
Speaker 1: affects a lot of people. I was going to say
Speaker 1: that because sometimes it's not just even you and him.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it could affect other people's families. It could absolutely
Speaker 1: And that's I think the hardest part of figuring it out.
Speaker 1: But sometimes you just have to say this isn't the
Speaker 1: energy I'm going to let in my life and I
Speaker 1: have to like rise above it and not be in
Speaker 1: this like like I just from my mental health and
Speaker 1: my sanity. As long as everyone inside knows what's good,
Speaker 1: then it's like, but the character, um, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the word is, like assassina, character assassination pretty much
Speaker 1: that the testing of my character to make me look
Speaker 1: like a bad like just out of my character is
Speaker 1: the one thing that's hard because there's already so many
Speaker 1: people that have that energy that you were saying that,
Speaker 1: like are these haters of me and the fam anyway?
Speaker 1: So it's really hard when there's also people that were
Speaker 1: once close, especially from my kids, Like why would you
Speaker 1: even want anyone to think that of your mom? You know?
Speaker 1: For my kids. That's what's hard for me. And then
Speaker 1: I get really protective over my mom my. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get that, you know, but I handle it all internally,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'll speak out and try.
Speaker 1: I just I'm not that type to just go back
Speaker 1: and forth on the Internet. I live my life on
Speaker 1: a fucking reality show. I'm like, there's social media everywhere.
Speaker 1: Like I'm just not the type just say I mean
Speaker 1: the ship that I know and the ship that I've
Speaker 1: been through. Oh I bet it's you know, it's wild,
Speaker 1: and I'm just not the type to be like what
Speaker 1: does that do to your trust? Because how do you like?
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's somebody is supposed to be closest
Speaker 1: to you, like you go and it's not just that's
Speaker 1: just knye. I'm sure people in your life have disappointed you,
Speaker 1: and um, people have actually been so good to me. People.
Speaker 1: I've never had anybody really betray me but a few exes.
Speaker 1: But the people and my my friends are the best
Speaker 1: friends in the entire world. My sisters like I have
Speaker 1: hit the fucking jackpot of friends and family and my
Speaker 1: sisters like and I think like karmically, it's just all lessons.
Speaker 1: It's just all like, I'm I'm okay with it all.
Speaker 1: What about love where you would love? I know things
Speaker 1: with the last guy with Pete didn't work out, But
Speaker 1: it was nice to see you. You look happy for
Speaker 1: a little while, like you were having fun and light um,
Speaker 1: like you were enjoying dating. Yeah, I was, And that's
Speaker 1: that's what you know, that what it was just so
Speaker 1: new and I didn't know what dating was for so long.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been in a relationship for like almost
Speaker 1: fifteen years, you know, twelve years or something like that,
Speaker 1: And I don't know, there's like a part of me
Speaker 1: that's like, oh my god, is everyone going to be scared?
Speaker 1: Because you know, I don't have the easiest X and
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think that's fair for me to
Speaker 1: ever put someone in a situation or bring a new
Speaker 1: person in that could be super innocent. So there is
Speaker 1: that side of me that's just like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: But then there's a side of me that's like, wait,
Speaker 1: what why would I ever have to like live that way?
Speaker 1: And I just wanna I'm definitely in my fun zone
Speaker 1: right now. I would say I'm in my fund my
Speaker 1: fund um now. Were like, can you like so what sucks?
Speaker 1: Is like so if you it's just all has to
Speaker 1: be like at a private house party or a house
Speaker 1: dinner or like you know, and then sometimes you're so
Speaker 1: stuck in your zone working that you know, Chloe and
Speaker 1: I were like, we're going to Miami. We're just going
Speaker 1: to Miami. Where can I gos? I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're on one out there, but m And then you're like,
Speaker 1: what am I doing. There's no one out here, so
Speaker 1: what's the point. But here, here's what I will. But
Speaker 1: the pool for you, it's very got to be very small.
Speaker 1: It is either somebody that's comfortable standing, that's too comfortable
Speaker 1: willing to deal with all the things that comes with
Speaker 1: being him, and also somebody that will keep your interests
Speaker 1: in your But my person will be able to handle
Speaker 1: all of it. And that I do know. And now
Speaker 1: I'm a brave in God love, I have faith and
Speaker 1: all of it, and he will bring me my perfect
Speaker 1: person that we will. I'm like the biggest hopeless romantics.
Speaker 1: So I just I know that. I just know that
Speaker 1: my person can can deal and my person will love it,
Speaker 1: and and same with me and whoever that is. Do
Speaker 1: you break up? I do? Yeah? I mean I pray
Speaker 1: every night with my kids, even if I'm you know,
Speaker 1: out of town. They have to call me and we
Speaker 1: say our purse together over FaceTime. Um. They just like that.
Speaker 1: They can't go to bed without that. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. What do you pray for? Just health and happiness,
Speaker 1: mostly in calmness. Sometimes sometimes I need a little bit
Speaker 1: out in that area. Yeah, I'm sure in peace, peace,
Speaker 1: But I really do as much as there's the craziness
Speaker 1: around me. I do feel at peace. Good for you.
Speaker 1: I do, And I think that is like I always say,
Speaker 1: calmness is my superpower. It is. But I do have
Speaker 1: a deep, deep sense of peace. And like I said,
Speaker 1: like I'm free from all of like the stuff, like
Speaker 1: none of that matters, Like I'm free from I'm at peace, Kim,
Speaker 1: that is absolutely I didn't. We talk about superpowers a
Speaker 1: lot on the podcast, and so I was thinking about yours.
Speaker 1: But it really has to be calmness, right because there's
Speaker 1: no way you operate this ship without having that superpower.
Speaker 1: Like everyone says, the world can be coming to an end,
Speaker 1: and they'll call me and I'll be like, you, guys,
Speaker 1: this is exactly what we're gonna do. Sit down, I'm
Speaker 1: going to handle it. Let me go out there, I'll
Speaker 1: fix it. Let me let me fix the world coming
Speaker 1: to it. Um. You might's a lot of bad ship
Speaker 1: going on in the world right now. There is, there is,
Speaker 1: but you just I mean, like, of course I'll have
Speaker 1: my moments because I just happened to be having like
Speaker 1: a rough week. But then like even how I cried earlier,
Speaker 1: it's like I was feeling that because I was emotional
Speaker 1: on the way here for other reasons. Let yourself feel that,
Speaker 1: Like I'm not going to say cut that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like that's how I was feeling then,
Speaker 1: and now I can talk about if I were just
Speaker 1: talk about the same thing that we just talked about,
Speaker 1: I would be totally together. You know. So it's like,
Speaker 1: let yourself go through what you need to go through.
Speaker 1: Don't always be super calm when you don't when you're
Speaker 1: feeling those emotions. But also like control your emotions. I'm
Speaker 1: really good at control my emotions and going through them
Speaker 1: when I need to. But also, yeah, but there's something
Speaker 1: to learn in that about like let it go, let
Speaker 1: it go through you, but then let it go. Like
Speaker 1: I'm not the type of person that will fight in
Speaker 1: a relationship and bring up the same thing a million times.
Speaker 1: When I let it go, I let it go. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they're going to start with me, I definitely didn't forget.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, But I'm not on a daily basis
Speaker 1: like beating you up about something that we can't change
Speaker 1: that we've been through. You know, that's just not who
Speaker 1: I am. Because that energy to hold on for me
Speaker 1: is worse. It's it's for me, not for you. I'm
Speaker 1: not giving you the easy way out and forgetting it,
Speaker 1: not not torturing you about it. But if you funk
Speaker 1: with me, I will bring that outing. That is the
Speaker 1: one thing I sometimes watch for you and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: I wish you would pa a little more ship. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I wish she would be like fuck you, or but
Speaker 1: where does it stop? Because there's so many things to
Speaker 1: say fuck you. There's so many things to say, not true,
Speaker 1: not true, not true, not true, funk out of year,
Speaker 1: you know, Like sometimes I want to do that, and
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm brought to that point, but then I feel like, wait,
Speaker 1: but then if I speak on this one, then are
Speaker 1: they going to think all the other ones are not true?
Speaker 1: Like then do I have to or are true? Then
Speaker 1: do I have to go back and like bring up
Speaker 1: every single thing because there's so many things. Sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: the one thing. I have been tested so much this
Speaker 1: year there has been the wildest ship that I even have,
Speaker 1: like in conversations and d m s, like completely wild
Speaker 1: if like someone will speak out and I'll have the
Speaker 1: actual receipts and for me to sit on them has
Speaker 1: shown I think this year, I've learned like restraint, and
Speaker 1: I'll put them in my group chats and my girls
Speaker 1: will be like stop, don't. But so there are times
Speaker 1: when I really want to get out there sometimes, but
Speaker 1: then it just depends on my like I have to
Speaker 1: be in like a silly mood just two more talk
Speaker 1: about dumb headlines. But I've realized, like for my soul
Speaker 1: and my energy, it's not worth it. Totally get it,
Speaker 1: and there's no way I can say like sometimes I'd
Speaker 1: just be like, Okay, you know this isn't right, but
Speaker 1: do you want me to say some other things? Like
Speaker 1: I just I don't know if I'd be able to
Speaker 1: stop if I started with how I am my my personality,
Speaker 1: so I just silence. Is there any other super powers
Speaker 1: that you see other people that you admire or that
Speaker 1: you don't have your of your own that you feel like,
Speaker 1: I wish I could be like that person. I wish
Speaker 1: I had that thing because I admire your calmness. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a pretty level headed person and I
Speaker 1: tend to be like black and white and strategic and
Speaker 1: you know, and and thoughtful, but like, I don't um,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I could deal with the level
Speaker 1: of energy because I'm also really affected by energy. So like,
Speaker 1: if I could be in a good mood and if
Speaker 1: I go in a room and three people's energy is terrible,
Speaker 1: it literally will affect me, which that won't affect me
Speaker 1: in your space. You couldn't live You couldn't live this
Speaker 1: life if that happened to you, because then every day
Speaker 1: you're in the subject to that. So that isn't that
Speaker 1: is a superpower that I admire that because I don't
Speaker 1: think it's just about calmness. I also think it's about
Speaker 1: you being able to kind of protect your energy from
Speaker 1: everybody else's. But I wasn't always like that. You learned it,
Speaker 1: you built it, you know what. I was always calm.
Speaker 1: I would stop sometimes, But I think that there comes
Speaker 1: a time in your life when you have to choose
Speaker 1: yourself from your family, from your friends, from the energy
Speaker 1: around you, and you have to find like what really
Speaker 1: makes you happy and work in relationships, in the activities
Speaker 1: that you do everything. And once you find what that
Speaker 1: is and you choose yourself, doesn't mean then you can't
Speaker 1: then go, you know, get back to everybody else. But
Speaker 1: I always put other people in front of me. Always
Speaker 1: m hm. And I think like a few years ago,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm really going to this is that
Speaker 1: moment over my kid, over everybody? Yeah, And once I did,
Speaker 1: Now I can dive deeper into my kids. Now I
Speaker 1: can dive deeper into my sister bond relationships. Now I
Speaker 1: can dive deeper into my relationship with my brother and
Speaker 1: my friends and you know, my mom, like you just
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a generic experiences, I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is, but it's a peaceful place to
Speaker 1: be and nothing will really of course, they'll be like
Speaker 1: emergency situations and how to figure out what to do
Speaker 1: and say and you know this Hollywood life or whatever.
Speaker 1: But like when you ask me, do I admire like
Speaker 1: other qualities, like no, because if I'm supposed to have those,
Speaker 1: those will come to me and those will be the
Speaker 1: lessons that I'm going to learn. I'm like so at
Speaker 1: peace with like who I am? Good for you? Like
Speaker 1: I really am. And that's why even dating and like relationships,
Speaker 1: it's like if someone comes into my life that brings
Speaker 1: good energy, so fun. If someone doesn't, I'm very direct
Speaker 1: and I'm like this just isn't gonna work, you know,
Speaker 1: and but you're still like a romantic You're still hopeful,
Speaker 1: and you're still you didn't let because it's a divorce
Speaker 1: does things. There are men who have been divorced for
Speaker 1: ten years that haven't been able to pull themselves out
Speaker 1: of that kind of what it does to people. They
Speaker 1: say that, I think that's like divorce, death, move was
Speaker 1: like the most dramatic things for people to have to
Speaker 1: go through. Yeah, I'm always hopeful, Like I'm so hopeful
Speaker 1: that like and maybe it's like a ridiculous fantasy, but
Speaker 1: like that all find my perfect person and and I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'll get married again, you know,
Speaker 1: but I'll have my forever like partner, you know that,
Speaker 1: Like I know that there's gonna be like he's coming,
Speaker 1: He's coming, absolutely, but I'm just like at peace and
Speaker 1: I'm going to have fun until that happens. What do
Speaker 1: you think moving forward? The next phase for you? It's
Speaker 1: like what is the what is your purpose in the
Speaker 1: world right now? And how do you want to be remembered?
Speaker 1: And I think my next face, I think it's this
Speaker 1: like at peace phase that I hope last forever, and
Speaker 1: I know I know that it's in me and once
Speaker 1: it's in you, I don't think it'll ever leave. I
Speaker 1: just want to continue to just be a good person
Speaker 1: and be a kind person. But as far as my purpose,
Speaker 1: I just hope that like people can realize that, like
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where you're at in your life, or
Speaker 1: how old you are, or you know what you thought
Speaker 1: your career path was going to be, you can really
Speaker 1: change that at any time you want, and you can
Speaker 1: really do whatever you want to do. I had never
Speaker 1: dreamed in a million years that I would go through
Speaker 1: with law school. And if you support yourself, if you
Speaker 1: surround yourself with people that really support you and like
Speaker 1: their eyes light up at the idea of helping you
Speaker 1: and are so all your friends, you should feel that
Speaker 1: way about your friends. Like I look at my friends
Speaker 1: and I light up when they are doing amazing things
Speaker 1: and I'm so proud of them and I'm so excited
Speaker 1: for them. You're not like a hater friend. They're absolutely not,
Speaker 1: And you can't. I don't even have those in my life.
Speaker 1: I do not have one hater friend in my life.
Speaker 1: I don't have time for it. I don't have room
Speaker 1: for it. Did you have to clean out a little
Speaker 1: bit as you grew yeah, for sure, but like my
Speaker 1: core has always been everyone that's been in my life
Speaker 1: has been there for I mean, even my newer friends
Speaker 1: ten fifteen plus. You know, Like I just think you
Speaker 1: have to treat people right. You can't really focus on
Speaker 1: I mean, even if it comes in sometimes like negativity,
Speaker 1: and just surround yourself with people and you'll you'll get
Speaker 1: to where you need to go. But I think it's
Speaker 1: like I never dreamed that I would go to law
Speaker 1: school and really do it. I thought about it, I
Speaker 1: loved it, I was into it. But the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm doing it that's why I won't give up, because
Speaker 1: I don't want my kids to give up on something
Speaker 1: that they really want that end result. It's hard, it's
Speaker 1: really fun hard. It's a barely time consuming. I don't
Speaker 1: have time for it, but you make time for what
Speaker 1: you want, and I want it and I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what you do in that space.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's been inspiring to watch you build your band,
Speaker 1: brand and your business. But I think in that space
Speaker 1: it's going to really be interesting to see the work.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I just want to help people like life
Speaker 1: just and when you put it in that perspective, it's
Speaker 1: hard to like worry about the details of the nuances
Speaker 1: of the bullshit when you're like really trying to do
Speaker 1: something powerful and important and yeah, I get that, you know,
Speaker 1: How can I be worried about some stuff? Like I
Speaker 1: really there's people that are really going through things and
Speaker 1: if you can, you know, change their lives and help out,
Speaker 1: Like that's all I want to do. Yeah, kim Yeah, Kimmy,
Speaker 1: and look fly doing it. Yes, that that I will
Speaker 1: always care about real life