Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,
Speaker 1: the podcast where we discuss and talk through some of
Speaker 1: the big changes and transitions of our twenties and what
Speaker 1: they mean for our psychology. Hello, and welcome back to
Speaker 1: your favorite podcast ever made Hopefully Today, I have a
Speaker 1: very special guest ghost Laura. I'm Zoe. Jemma and I
Speaker 1: have been friends for quite a while. Yeah, you're my
Speaker 1: longest friend. Well yeah, not to brag, guys, but I'm
Speaker 1: just living friend. Hello. Oh, it sounds like someone I
Speaker 1: don't think anyone did. I don't know why you said
Speaker 1: it like that. I don't know. I just thought they
Speaker 1: say that I can die if you prefer No. No,
Speaker 1: because I feel like, although I have actually thought about
Speaker 1: what I would say at your funeral, it's a really
Speaker 1: easy way to make myself cry. Arguments and things like that. Cute. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for being there for me. You helped
Speaker 1: me out in so many ways, more always than one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we've been friends for like over a decade. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought about that in that context of
Speaker 1: like half of our lives we've known each other? Um? No,
Speaker 1: I well I did when we hit our ten year anniversary,
Speaker 1: but I can't remember when we celebrate. It was that
Speaker 1: this last year one? Yeah, it would have been last year.
Speaker 1: But what do you meant to buy someone for the
Speaker 1: ten year anniversaries? Like paper or something? No, it's like
Speaker 1: maybe it's like an invitation to a ball, like you
Speaker 1: meant to give them like a ceremonious gift. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Well that's really disappointing. Well you didn't either. Well, I
Speaker 1: was busy living my life in Canberra. We never visited.
Speaker 1: I was busy living my life in Melbourne. That's also
Speaker 1: a very equally fair point. And you moved out last
Speaker 1: year and it was COVID, it was lockdown, was a
Speaker 1: big year. We were doing long distance. We've been doing
Speaker 1: a long distance for a while four years. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like that long. But yeah, no it didn't.
Speaker 1: You never visited me either, so I think it made
Speaker 1: our friendship stronger. Yeah, well that's what we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about today. We really want to discuss because we
Speaker 1: are full of expert advice, we kind of incidentally have
Speaker 1: this very lasting friendship. So I think we want to
Speaker 1: talk about how that happened, how you can have lasting
Speaker 1: friendships like the kind of secret to success, if you
Speaker 1: may say it that way, the psychology of lasting friendships. Beautiful,
Speaker 1: Get keen, strap in, strap in, and tighten them up.
Speaker 1: We're going pedal to the medal. So, as my longest
Speaker 1: living friend, I've wanted to have you on for quite
Speaker 1: some time. Yeah, since the start, since the very beginning
Speaker 1: of the podcast. I think a lot of the people
Speaker 1: I've had one I've only known me since I was
Speaker 1: like eighteen, and I know this is like a podcast
Speaker 1: about our twenties, but it's like the origin story, you know,
Speaker 1: like people get a peek behind it into the origin
Speaker 1: story of me. Yeah, on the origin story of you.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, they don't really need to know about me.
Speaker 1: It's not my podcast. Yeah, but you're an important figure
Speaker 1: of my funnies, you know, the long the long term
Speaker 1: friends are important. Last night checked I was the main character. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I thought that I was just like the fun,
Speaker 1: quirky friend who has a podcast, and this is only
Speaker 1: seeking to elevate your social status. Absolutely, that's why you
Speaker 1: did it, right, Yeah, that's that's why I'm so glad
Speaker 1: I'm the same. So should we just start at the
Speaker 1: beginning how do we meet? Well, we met on the
Speaker 1: first day of high school. Yeah, it was I really
Speaker 1: didn't want to leave my primary school and I was
Speaker 1: freaking out a little bit um and you, I think
Speaker 1: you saw my brother's school uniform because it was his
Speaker 1: first day at my primary school, at your primary school,
Speaker 1: and you're like, Hi, no, this is not what happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew I wouldn't remember, can I Okay, well you
Speaker 1: guys kind of what happened. So I like saw you
Speaker 1: and I saw your brother, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought maybe you were someone i'd gone to high
Speaker 1: school with. Oh I got to primary school with. But
Speaker 1: then you were like crying with your mom and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, I would just go up to
Speaker 1: her because like, I'm really nervous. She's obviously really nervous.
Speaker 1: And I still remember exactly what you were wearing. We
Speaker 1: really was love at first sight. You saw through my
Speaker 1: terrible clothes. So she was wearing an angry Bird's T
Speaker 1: shirt that was like see through. Yeah, like it was
Speaker 1: really bad, with red tights and blue shorts. I think
Speaker 1: they were purple, Okay, purple tights and you had either
Speaker 1: blue or red shorts over the top. It might have
Speaker 1: been black three quarter length leggings with a blue light
Speaker 1: blue yeah, sort yeah, and converse. No, it was converse. Oh.
Speaker 1: I was fashioned ready to start at pretty Hill and
Speaker 1: you were like crying, and I was like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: get them while they weak, get them why they're vulnerable,
Speaker 1: let's strap her in. Yeah, And so I like went
Speaker 1: up to you and I was like, oh, hi, and
Speaker 1: then we ended up walking in together. And we weren't
Speaker 1: in the same clos us, but we had one class together.
Speaker 1: Can you remember one metal? Metal? Because giving eleven year
Speaker 1: olds access to blow torches and chemicals, what of our
Speaker 1: classmates got their arm burnt off a bit? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: you remember how that happened. Yeah, teacher had like a
Speaker 1: blowtorch and wasn't paying attention and like burnt her elbow off,
Speaker 1: like third degree burns. Yeah, just to get a bandage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think like a skin grapp I don't know,
Speaker 1: something like that, but if you're listening, please let us
Speaker 1: know in the comments. Yeah, the comments of the podcast.
Speaker 1: I remember exactly who it was too, Yeah, the name
Speaker 1: of a flower. Hopefully she doesn't think who cares anyhow?
Speaker 1: And I remember we were in metal class together. And
Speaker 1: you sat down and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's the girl that I thought. It's Zoe. And you
Speaker 1: had this smingle pencil case Schmigle purple with bubble yes
Speaker 1: and had a zip on the side and you unzipped
Speaker 1: it and I was like, can I borrow a pen?
Speaker 1: And you went unzipped it and you had like the
Speaker 1: most perfectly coordinated This is so Zoe. Even it was neat,
Speaker 1: it was very neat. And you took out one pen
Speaker 1: and gave it to me, and you're like, I'll need
Speaker 1: that back and I did. I was like fuck. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just remember being like this girl was a boss.
Speaker 1: No wonder I had no friends. You were the only
Speaker 1: You were so nice to me. You had so many
Speaker 1: more friends than me during high school. They were not friends,
Speaker 1: well neither were mine, but you're still friends with some
Speaker 1: of them. I kind of was like, had people around,
Speaker 1: but it was a bit of a loan. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to study. Yeah, you were amazing at high school,
Speaker 1: so you were Leslie. Nope, you would not. You peaked
Speaker 1: maybe academically, yeah, but I feel like you really picked
Speaker 1: at UNI. Yeah. I think when I started drinking, I
Speaker 1: peeked when you could freely drink out. I could out.
Speaker 1: I just remember calling you the first time I got drunk.
Speaker 1: You're like, hey, I was so worried because like three
Speaker 1: glasses of wine. I know, but I was really concerned
Speaker 1: because you were studying so hard and like so isolated.
Speaker 1: We would hang out obviously a lot. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but I was just really concerned because, like, but that's
Speaker 1: only because I'm not a very big drinker and I'm
Speaker 1: still not. Yeah, and like it was just a different
Speaker 1: kind of level. It was a different level. And I
Speaker 1: was also like really heartbroken at the time. Yeah, I remember,
Speaker 1: I was sad. It was like my first real heartbreak.
Speaker 1: I was like seventeen. But it made you so strong,
Speaker 1: it did, And I moved to Canberra because of it, yeah,
Speaker 1: which was like the best decision I ever made now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just remember being like at the end of
Speaker 1: high school, like this is just like I kind of knew.
Speaker 1: I was like I knew I had you, and I
Speaker 1: didn't really need anyone else because I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't really like these people. I'm ready for my new
Speaker 1: I'm ready for my social renaissance. I'm ready to just
Speaker 1: embrace my life. But then I moved to Canberra. Yea,
Speaker 1: And how did that go down for our friendship because
Speaker 1: we were so close beforehand. Yeah, the start of UNI,
Speaker 1: I think was challenging for both of us. I think
Speaker 1: you had a really fun time, and I was you
Speaker 1: were not having druggling a little and hearing about all
Speaker 1: the fun you were having made me really I was
Speaker 1: as well, Yeah, and just like all the growth and
Speaker 1: like just it just sounded like so much fun. And
Speaker 1: I was kind of at UNI being like I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do all this and have all this fun and
Speaker 1: it's not working. And I remember you came to visit
Speaker 1: and I was like, I didn't know why I was
Speaker 1: feeling all these like emotions which I now realized with jealousy,
Speaker 1: but also I think not just jealousy, but also like
Speaker 1: it was an adjustment to our friendship, like we spent
Speaker 1: so much time being like each other's kind of number
Speaker 1: one after your boyfriend's. Of course, after all these men
Speaker 1: that were lining up my feet that I hated, I
Speaker 1: think because I had the jealousy earlier when you started
Speaker 1: dating before me. But men are trash and you saw
Speaker 1: that from the start. I hated all of them. They
Speaker 1: were the worst they were. One of them follow us
Speaker 1: home like a dog. I would be like, I just
Speaker 1: I was kind of mean to him. Yeah, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: I was. I was kind of mean to him because
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think you're good enough for her,
Speaker 1: and I want access before I late. Well, it was true,
Speaker 1: like it was, it was shit. And then like I
Speaker 1: think as soon as you left you yeah yeah, and
Speaker 1: that was probably what contributed to you having all those
Speaker 1: negative feelings. Um yeah, um yeah, because like you've just
Speaker 1: been through like a breakup, your best friend had gone,
Speaker 1: and I was meeting all of these new people, and
Speaker 1: I think I really was coming on a little bit
Speaker 1: strong with how much I was having, how much fun
Speaker 1: I was having up with, Like and this is this
Speaker 1: person and this person, Well, I hadn't. I'd never learned
Speaker 1: how to be happy for someone without knowing what they
Speaker 1: were happy about. Like, I'd never experienced drinking and having fun.
Speaker 1: And I still like, it took me a really long
Speaker 1: time to learn how to drink alcohol and not be
Speaker 1: really toxic about it. So even now, you're very good
Speaker 1: at limiting yourself. You don't drink very much at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not It's not my favorite thing. To do. I
Speaker 1: just I have fun without it, and I realized that,
Speaker 1: but I didn't realize that in first year Uni and
Speaker 1: the people that I were meeting were not very genuine,
Speaker 1: and you were just like having the best time. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like alone, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't there's no way that I feel comfortable because
Speaker 1: you'd gone and my partner had gone like that, I'd
Speaker 1: been dating for a really long time. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: just was like, there's no way that I'm actually safe.
Speaker 1: And then you came home, I remember, and I was like, finally,
Speaker 1: like we can have yeah times. And I don't really
Speaker 1: remember what happened, but we had a very I said
Speaker 1: something horrible. I think I said I was disappointed. You said,
Speaker 1: I just don't. Can you just like shut up about
Speaker 1: your new friends. I don't want to hear about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm disappointed in you, yeah, And
Speaker 1: I was like absolutely not. I was so proud of
Speaker 1: you for getting so far out of your comfort zone,
Speaker 1: unfathomably far out of your comfort zone. You're so lovely
Speaker 1: and I was just like, ah, and you left like that,
Speaker 1: I we've been drinking. I was no. I was so
Speaker 1: scared though, because I didn't know if you'd gotten home safely.
Speaker 1: You just like left. I was just like you said
Speaker 1: that comment to me, and I was just like I
Speaker 1: have all my friends, Like you were literally fuck this shit,
Speaker 1: I'm done, and I just like ran off. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I just go home. And then you were like
Speaker 1: calling me and calling me and calling me, and it
Speaker 1: was weird. I should have picked up the phone. No,
Speaker 1: I was. I wouldn't have. I think it was like
Speaker 1: a couple of days before we spoke again, and then
Speaker 1: I called you and I was like, it's okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's part of good chat. And that, I think is
Speaker 1: what you were talking about in terms of the secret
Speaker 1: to friendships, long term friendships, is that like we had
Speaker 1: the distance, yes, exactly, we didn't have that Like if
Speaker 1: you had been next door to me while going through
Speaker 1: all that growth, I don't think we would have had
Speaker 1: because we needed to take that time apart to make
Speaker 1: all those mistakes and learn those different things. And then
Speaker 1: we came back and we were like, wow, look at
Speaker 1: all this stuff I've learned, Like, let's let's help build
Speaker 1: each other up. And we just have incidentally learned the
Speaker 1: same stuff at the same time. Yeah, and we've thrown
Speaker 1: into our own people, but we still love each other. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also I think in terms of that fight, it
Speaker 1: was good that we had base because it meant that
Speaker 1: we didn't have the pressure, that sense of pressure to
Speaker 1: resolve it straight away. It was like when we were
Speaker 1: both ready, well mainly when I was ready. I think
Speaker 1: in that situation, like we could come back to each
Speaker 1: other and just apologize sincerely and move on. I think so.
Speaker 1: And I think that was the start of me learning
Speaker 1: with disagreements that it's not the other person's responsibility to
Speaker 1: make me feel better when I've done something wrong. I
Speaker 1: actually just need to sit with that shame. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like just because it feels bad, it's not the other
Speaker 1: person's responsibility to absolve that form. I'm still learning that now, yeah,
Speaker 1: But I think this year I've learned that a lot
Speaker 1: more of just being like, Okay, if things go wrong,
Speaker 1: you just have to accept the guilt, feel those negative feelings,
Speaker 1: sit with it, and then move forward and maybe it
Speaker 1: works out, maybe it doesn't. But I think since we're
Speaker 1: talking about lasting friendships, one of the key is, like
Speaker 1: one of the key elements is being able to argue
Speaker 1: and disagree and move forward. Yeah. Like we were talking
Speaker 1: about this when we were getting ice cream earlier, and
Speaker 1: you said a good point of like if they're stupid arguments,
Speaker 1: Like I feel like, if you just keep fighting about
Speaker 1: dumb things, Yeah, if it becomes exhausting, it's time to
Speaker 1: reconsider something. Yeah. I don't think it's ever been exhausting
Speaker 1: for us. We've really only had two fights, really, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just remembering our first fight. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: were so moody. You were like angsty. No, not the
Speaker 1: big one, the one with the people when I someone
Speaker 1: out and you got really angry and he was really
Speaker 1: fucking gross. He was so weird. Like John wants to
Speaker 1: ask you about I don't ask Like you did the
Speaker 1: same thing to me first. No you didn't first. Oh
Speaker 1: I can't remember that bit. Yeah, I just remember it
Speaker 1: was in drama class. Can you remember that it was? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was in drama and we were like working around
Speaker 1: being like he and then we did it and we
Speaker 1: were like what the fuck? And then the second big
Speaker 1: argument we had was because Zoe really went through her
Speaker 1: teenage years very strongly. What do you mean you had
Speaker 1: lace up knee high, Doc Martins? I hated. Those are
Speaker 1: my biggest drinkret They were really expensive. Did you get
Speaker 1: them for your birthday? Yeah? And then I give it
Speaker 1: them from my dad to sell and he saw them
Speaker 1: for twenty dollars. No. Yeah, and I didn't even get
Speaker 1: the money back. I was going to give it to
Speaker 1: my mom. Oh my god. It's still it still haunts
Speaker 1: my dreams. But they're worth their weight in gold in
Speaker 1: terms of the memories that we've had with them. No. Well,
Speaker 1: I remember that you were in such a foul mood
Speaker 1: and you're like screaming at me on the phone, and
Speaker 1: then we like saw you, like walking across the park.
Speaker 1: I was angry because you guys met up before and
Speaker 1: you didn't tell me, and I was like, you're late.
Speaker 1: I don't remember. I remember being angry. I remember you
Speaker 1: being angry. I was angry. But we came through it
Speaker 1: stronger than ever, stronger than ever, and we flourished. But
Speaker 1: then I think you're right. I think I'm still learning
Speaker 1: what you were saying. But you need, like you need
Speaker 1: to be able to fight with your friends and both
Speaker 1: have the same level of maturity to either accept that
Speaker 1: it's not working and be delicate about it and forgiving
Speaker 1: or to be able to move on together and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I accept my wrong doings, you accept yours. I forgive you,
Speaker 1: you forgive me. Let's like integrate it into part of
Speaker 1: the narrative of our friendship which we have, Like we
Speaker 1: laugh about it now, but at the time it was
Speaker 1: very serious. Yeah, and it worked out really really well.
Speaker 1: I think everything's a little bit less stressful though now
Speaker 1: I don't know, like because we have our own lives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's just I think now that we're a
Speaker 1: bit further into proper adulthood and there's not as many
Speaker 1: hormones and changing things and teenage drama. I think that
Speaker 1: we've well I don't know about you, but I've realized
Speaker 1: that I don't know things will go wrong and things
Speaker 1: will go right, and like there's little I can do
Speaker 1: about it, and the easiest thing to do is just
Speaker 1: prepare and get ready to adapt to things. And I just,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know but about you, but I
Speaker 1: just feel like everything's going to go right. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: everything will be okay. It always turns out okay. That's
Speaker 1: the other part of why we have such a good
Speaker 1: friendship is because we don't actually spend enough time with
Speaker 1: each other to fight, so we actually like end up
Speaker 1: being more, but we're always set. The other good part
Speaker 1: about that is that we're separated from each other's social situations. Yes,
Speaker 1: so we can give it unbiased opinions and also tell
Speaker 1: each other the drama. Yeah, completely and fully. Remember when um,
Speaker 1: that guy broke up with me, well like ended with
Speaker 1: me yea in my first year. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: cried to you about that that I felt you're paying
Speaker 1: I was so sad and you dropped your pizza on
Speaker 1: the ground toppings up. Oh. Yeah, that was a hard,
Speaker 1: hard year and I think I wouldn't have been able
Speaker 1: to do it without you because you were I was.
Speaker 1: You were just such a rock, Like I just knew
Speaker 1: that nothing was could really shake us. I could call
Speaker 1: you, you you would pick up. I could cry to you,
Speaker 1: you would happily listened to my tears away. And I
Speaker 1: came back to Melbourne and we did this. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite memories of you was we did this massive
Speaker 1: walk and we sat at the park at the end
Speaker 1: of my street. And I don't know if you remember this.
Speaker 1: It was really really clear to me and I was
Speaker 1: super depressed, but I sat with you, and we just
Speaker 1: talked about it and I felt so much better and
Speaker 1: it was like a turning point in that story, the
Speaker 1: story of this person, where I was like, actually, I
Speaker 1: can make it through because I've got this person who
Speaker 1: even if everything else falls apart, I always have this
Speaker 1: person to lean on. And it was like family. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like having a family that you choose. And I
Speaker 1: never really understood that phrase until probably the last three
Speaker 1: years of our friendship. Yeah, because you're very also to
Speaker 1: It just helps that you're very close with my family
Speaker 1: as well. And there were so many times when we
Speaker 1: could have gone our separate ways and just like stoping touch.
Speaker 1: But every single time I feel like you've really made
Speaker 1: the effort to be like, I'm coming back to Melbourne,
Speaker 1: I want to let's do this, whereas I have not
Speaker 1: really done that, but I will make the time. But
Speaker 1: the thing is, I obviously naturally come back to Melbourne
Speaker 1: because my family's here. You're not going to naturally make
Speaker 1: You don't even know where Cambra is I to tell you.
Speaker 1: She was like, is it above Sydney? I say Sydney
Speaker 1: further than camera. I was like, those our capital. You
Speaker 1: don't even know. You fake Australian. I didn't know where
Speaker 1: Camberra was until I was like twenty. You know you
Speaker 1: could have known if you visited me. Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I still I even was like, okay, I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: go visit Gemma and then I looked it up and
Speaker 1: I still didn't know where it was. But you are
Speaker 1: coming to my Taylor Swift birthday party? Oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: have to book that. Yeah. It was so funny. We
Speaker 1: were like walking through Brunswick and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I ever told you what I'm doing for my birthday
Speaker 1: and let me wolf past all these trendy people. And
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't say it now, No, they'll judge.
Speaker 1: They will judge me for saying Taylor Swift themed birthday party.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's someone listening to this. Everyone likes Taylor Swift. Me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone does. And if you're if you say you don't,
Speaker 1: you're a liar. You're a lying literally a wig, a
Speaker 1: lying literally a week five times, lying little ear week,
Speaker 1: lying little ear week, lying little league, lying liar week.
Speaker 1: Well yeah it's from Matilda. Oh I thought you just
Speaker 1: came up with that. I was like, God, she's a genius.
Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. My dad said it all
Speaker 1: the time, really lying little ear week that's my new favorite,
Speaker 1: like using like an adjective and then like a random
Speaker 1: animal like you slippery little sea snake, smelly bug, you
Speaker 1: smelly bug, you gross little lizard. I don't know you,
Speaker 1: stinky out packer, yummy, Yeah, I know, stinky out packers.
Speaker 1: We love, we do love. They get a bad rap.
Speaker 1: They do get a bad rap because they spit on people,
Speaker 1: just sp it on people. Sometimes they can't control one thing.
Speaker 1: It just comes out like a phenomie. Anyhow, the friendship
Speaker 1: has lasted. I guess, well, I don't know. What if
Speaker 1: we don't what if you don't make it to my wedding? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess kind of like we're still
Speaker 1: in the honeymoon phase. So yeah, I don't really know
Speaker 1: how I feel about you at this point. I'm like
Speaker 1: fully obsessed with you, so I don't know. It's like
Speaker 1: that's always been in every relationship ever though. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like in love with you, I'm obsessed with you.
Speaker 1: Here's this shrine for you. And they're like I'm talking
Speaker 1: with seven other people. What And You're like, oh, that's Okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, do whatever you want. You can give
Speaker 1: me syphilis, Like, I'm so up for it as long
Speaker 1: as you like hung me. Yeah, Zoey today was trying
Speaker 1: to tell me that Cotton Night Joe was about. It's
Speaker 1: not it's about slavery. The worst STD of Well, slavery
Speaker 1: is a lot worse. Yes, it's not an STD. No,
Speaker 1: we can't confuse them, can we? No, can't really be
Speaker 1: diagnosed with slavery. Oh my gosh, this has taken a turn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's maybe get out of the folklore. Um, what are you?
Speaker 1: Some some of our favorite memories together. If you're listening
Speaker 1: to this and you don't know us, I'm sorry, but apologies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not really. One of my favorites was we were talking
Speaker 1: about this in the car, was when we dressed up
Speaker 1: as Catness Everdeen. Yeah, that was amazing. We had this huge,
Speaker 1: like young adult fandom phase. Do you remember the Instagram again?
Speaker 1: I used to run oh yeah, Journey legend of a
Speaker 1: fan girl and had like thousands of followers, and I
Speaker 1: would like post names about shadow Hunters and Divergent and yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it's hilarious now we kind of. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was a bit of a I was a bit of
Speaker 1: a book nerd, so yeah, yeah, yeah, I haven't read
Speaker 1: a book for ages. Now that I'm living my life,
Speaker 1: that might be a New Year's resolution for me actually
Speaker 1: to read. But you didn't believe in resolutions. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm going to write that down though. Okay, So any
Speaker 1: book recommendations for Zoe, please let us know, but let
Speaker 1: us know in the comments you should read this one
Speaker 1: by Emily Radjowski called My Body, okay, or I have
Speaker 1: heaps of books to read and seven husbands of Evelyn hugo,
Speaker 1: thank you. Read book. I've got books. I've got book,
Speaker 1: read book, Zoe's New Years read the books, learn to read.
Speaker 1: Remember woman used to wear um leg woman's to school.
Speaker 1: I still think that's a look. I would love to
Speaker 1: always dress like I'm doing aerobics. I used to wear
Speaker 1: it over jeans though, Oh that's not a lot. I
Speaker 1: mean no, because we used to wear skinny jeans. That's fine.
Speaker 1: Or no stockings. It has to be stocking. It has
Speaker 1: to be stockings, and like a little short maybe a
Speaker 1: little skirt, a little skirt, yeah, like a little black skirt.
Speaker 1: That would be very trendy, very nice. Leg a big
Speaker 1: look for me in high school, and I'm like, why
Speaker 1: didn't I have as many friends as I wanted? Well,
Speaker 1: because the people that we went to school with were trash. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were really awful. Yeah, if you're listening, I really
Speaker 1: don't like you. Whoa, Okay, I wouldn't go that far.
Speaker 1: We were all going through periods of growth in high school.
Speaker 1: We cannot define no, No, I don't mean people we
Speaker 1: were close to. I mean like the general amount of
Speaker 1: people we went to high school with, like not very nice.
Speaker 1: They probably have changed a lot. We weren't very nice.
Speaker 1: I literally saw one of them today with you and
Speaker 1: she ignored me. Yeah. I don't know, but I also, yeah, growth.
Speaker 1: I do see what your point is because I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day with my mom um,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, five years is a long time. It's
Speaker 1: a long time. People have changed a lot since you reflect,
Speaker 1: and like, I know that. When I was in high school,
Speaker 1: I was like whoa, And then like I was like whoa,
Speaker 1: that's a great describing word. But um, like two years later,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I can't wait to see all
Speaker 1: the people from high school and show them how much
Speaker 1: I've changed. And I saw some people and they were like,
Speaker 1: they didn't care. Why would anyone care about how much
Speaker 1: growth we've had except ourselves, Like, no one recognizes that,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter. They don't need to. Would you
Speaker 1: gone through their own growth? Would you go to our
Speaker 1: high school? Resolution high school? Yeah? I would, just so
Speaker 1: that I could rub it in their face. I thought
Speaker 1: you said, no one cares about your growth? No one
Speaker 1: does that? You feel like it does? I like myself
Speaker 1: and I think I think I deserve to be liked.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a really good way to say it. Did
Speaker 1: deserve to be liked? When I like you so exactly,
Speaker 1: I would definitely go yeah, because I like, I think
Speaker 1: I have a bit of an ego about the fact
Speaker 1: that I moved. I moved out of Melbourne. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: felt very special for doing that. Get out of this
Speaker 1: hole in the wall town. Yeah, Melbourne, there's nothing you're
Speaker 1: doing here. I've Altcrona. I'm gonna move somewhere special. There's
Speaker 1: not enough opportunity. Yeah, Like Canberra is just like amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's his own universe, what horizons. Yeah. I felt very
Speaker 1: good about that decision when I made it, and I
Speaker 1: still do because I think that like it was a
Speaker 1: big thing to move, like no one else really did that,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I kind of had the like
Speaker 1: American university experience, Like I went to college, Did you
Speaker 1: get hazed? I hated myself. I hated myself. I was
Speaker 1: drinking so much in my first year. I was falling
Speaker 1: in love with men I shouldn't and women I shouldn't know,
Speaker 1: like friends and stuff like that. I was eating. I
Speaker 1: ate like I was being hazed. I remember my quintessential
Speaker 1: meal was like a handful of de rito chips and
Speaker 1: baked bean and cheese and I just put it in
Speaker 1: the microwave. And that actually sounds so good. No good.
Speaker 1: Imagine if you ate that every day? I know, or
Speaker 1: I would eat the chocolates from Cocoa Black did I
Speaker 1: work because I worked there, and I would steal chocolates
Speaker 1: from Cocoa Black and I would say they were expired
Speaker 1: and that would I have this massive bag that I
Speaker 1: would eat. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it was really fun though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet it was. I was really sad about it.
Speaker 1: Last night. I was like trying to go to sleep
Speaker 1: and I was like, what I wouldn't do for one
Speaker 1: more day? Walking through the college, the college halls, because
Speaker 1: I had it was like it was like literally one
Speaker 1: of my golden years. Like it was terrible and it
Speaker 1: was tragic and it was disturbing, but it was also
Speaker 1: just so much fun and so new. And I guess
Speaker 1: that was like you had the same experience, but you
Speaker 1: didn't have like the added freedom of living away from
Speaker 1: home and meeting new people, which I think was what
Speaker 1: made it hard. You've done that now and more organically,
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, I've had a lot I had. I
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun in twenty twenty one, even
Speaker 1: though it was a shitt of Ea, what was your highlight, Well,
Speaker 1: this is a silly highlight, because we had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. Um, and we did a lot of like
Speaker 1: planned things. But there was one time I remember I
Speaker 1: moved out with like five of my best friends and
Speaker 1: your boyfriend and my partner. Um sorry sorry my boyfriend,
Speaker 1: I don't care, um and UM. We when we went
Speaker 1: into lockdown, we were like, well, guess we're having like
Speaker 1: piss ups every day. So every Friday we would just
Speaker 1: get drunk and we would have like teaching Tuesdays where
Speaker 1: we would like teach each other about something we're passionate about,
Speaker 1: and we would watch Taskmaster together. But my favorite things
Speaker 1: we also it's it's a it's a show where they
Speaker 1: just get all these comedians to do silly tasks. It's
Speaker 1: really fun and my like, we had hosted a Murder
Speaker 1: Mystery night and it was my twenty second birthday and
Speaker 1: Lockdown and Nathan made us our very own Taskmaster to
Speaker 1: do it all together. It was amazing. But my highlight
Speaker 1: was when we played the Flores Lava as a house
Speaker 1: just on a random Friday night and we sang that
Speaker 1: song that goes like um blue dabble d dab day
Speaker 1: and we like all bumped around on all the couches
Speaker 1: and one of my housemates crawled into the fridge. It's
Speaker 1: just ridiculous. That sounds so much. It was so fun.
Speaker 1: That's what I want when I moved to Sydney, is like,
Speaker 1: I think that's like the secret to like having having
Speaker 1: fun in your twenties is like actually allowing yourself to
Speaker 1: be silly. Yeah, don't be serious, like you're so. I
Speaker 1: think we sometimes forget how young we are. Like everyone
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, I was like, oh, when
Speaker 1: I was thinking about back to my college days and
Speaker 1: I was getting really sad about it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: how many people in their thirties would be looking at
Speaker 1: us being like, you guys are just babies. Lava a
Speaker 1: perfect you're in a baby. We would just randomly be
Speaker 1: like the Flora's lava when we were playing like D
Speaker 1: and D or something, and everyone just jumped up and
Speaker 1: like started running around all the furniture. I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of you for moving out. Yeah, and during a hard
Speaker 1: year as well. Lockdown was not an easy year to
Speaker 1: We didn't know we were going to go into lockdown,
Speaker 1: but you still made it through like we took. I
Speaker 1: think we thrived. Three years ago. That would have been
Speaker 1: so anxiety inducing to you, That's true, you would have crumbled,
Speaker 1: and you thrived. I think that Nathan's been a really
Speaker 1: big part of that. I think he's helped me. He's
Speaker 1: guided me and facilitated and I'm sure you would have
Speaker 1: noticed this as well. I think I'm my own person now.
Speaker 1: And I realized this because I recently spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time with my dad, who I've had a couple
Speaker 1: of issues within the past yea, and I just felt
Speaker 1: like I was a lot more tolerant and patient and
Speaker 1: that I could handle his stuff. Because I knew it
Speaker 1: wasn't a part of me anymore. Yeah wow, But how
Speaker 1: did you get to that point just moving out? You'd
Speaker 1: say that that or Nathan, And I think moving out
Speaker 1: because I took a very I'm a very strong person,
Speaker 1: and I've become really close with my housemate and we
Speaker 1: just kind of grew together. So I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just kind of leapt off a cliff and I realized
Speaker 1: that I could fly and I wasn't going to fall.
Speaker 1: I didn't need to be my parents to survive. Yeah. Wow,
Speaker 1: I've never asked you about that before. You are so
Speaker 1: wise and wonderful. Oh my God, with you. You inspire
Speaker 1: me every day. And I think another thing is just
Speaker 1: making sure that I surround myself with people that challenge me,
Speaker 1: and you're definitely having challenged me for ten years. I'm
Speaker 1: challenging challenges in like inspire and bring new perspectives because
Speaker 1: I don't want to ever get to a point where
Speaker 1: we're in the life and we're just like, this is
Speaker 1: how we do things, and this is how I think
Speaker 1: is how I want to do it. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not I'm not willing to move on that
Speaker 1: in any capacity. And you've always been a critical thinker
Speaker 1: and you've always questioned me, and I really appreciate that. Well,
Speaker 1: that's part of what we were saying before about like
Speaker 1: the importance of having people who are kind of just yours,
Speaker 1: Like yes, I'm I'm yours your mind in that way,
Speaker 1: like there's like I don't have another equivalent of mind, Zoe.
Speaker 1: And it's like we exist in our own little bubble.
Speaker 1: It's like we're our own partnership exactly anything, even you're
Speaker 1: out sorry, Babs, and I think we trust. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter how long. And I always said this to each
Speaker 1: other countless times, it doesn't matter how long we're apart.
Speaker 1: We know that whenever each other, like whenever I know that,
Speaker 1: whenever I need you, I can call you not to
Speaker 1: be like even if you're busy, I'll leave your voice
Speaker 1: message and you'll call me back in ten minutes. If
Speaker 1: you think something's wrong, you'll call me back, which it
Speaker 1: hasn't usually been. Sometimes. You had a really hard a
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. You were really struggling. Do you
Speaker 1: remember you called me and you were quite upset. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like Camart. Yeah, I had a hard on
Speaker 1: the start of the year. Yeah, but oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't remember what it was. Remember there was a lot
Speaker 1: of things going on. Oh oh yeah, yeah yeah. Also
Speaker 1: your cat was sick. Yeah, my kittie, she's okay. Now
Speaker 1: I saw that cat today, like, cat's not how day,
Speaker 1: I don't think that cat's okay. I don't know what
Speaker 1: do you mean. It was like that looked at me.
Speaker 1: It was just like and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: So I don't want to talk to her right now.
Speaker 1: And I like pat her and she was like, uh,
Speaker 1: clump of her found so cute. You're just not a
Speaker 1: cat person. No, I'm not. I'm not a sickly cat person.
Speaker 1: She takes more vacations, and she doesn't take any medications.
Speaker 1: What about the thyroid medications? She doesn't take any She's
Speaker 1: that's cuted. Oh my god, Really do door explorer Dora's
Speaker 1: are doing any exploring right now? She's doing a lot
Speaker 1: of is you're such a bitch? Is? I'm sorry your
Speaker 1: cat is? You don't see her in a peak when
Speaker 1: the sun's out. She goes and finds a bush and
Speaker 1: she like grabs it apart like a freaking adventurer. And
Speaker 1: then she sits right in the middle and she's allergic
Speaker 1: to the grass, and she still sits there and she
Speaker 1: sleeps all day and then she comes in and she's like,
Speaker 1: why am I so itchy? I fucking wonder No, maybe
Speaker 1: she needs a hapy for medication. Do you think you
Speaker 1: can give cats hapy for medication? Or what? Give them steroids?
Speaker 1: WHOA if you're not illegal? I get there's someone out
Speaker 1: there who's taking like cat steroids. Oh my god, probably
Speaker 1: I think I probably know them, Like I can definitely
Speaker 1: see that happening. It's like, what if we gave a
Speaker 1: cat like suppose this conversation is following no sensical path.
Speaker 1: I can't remember why we started talking about the cat
Speaker 1: no well then, but I just wanted to point it
Speaker 1: out for the viewers at home, the listeners at the
Speaker 1: viewers at home. Post a comment below there's none like
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Speaker 1: this part so far. We're going to be back in
Speaker 1: just a second with our lessons learned into any to anyone.
Speaker 1: So Zoe twenty twenty two just started two days ago. Yeat, yeat.
Speaker 1: We already talked about what we learned in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: What was the biggest I'm sorry, but we haven't even
Speaker 1: mentioned this, and I think this is so important to
Speaker 1: talk about in your twenties because you're my first friend
Speaker 1: who's taken this leap. What is that leap? I bought
Speaker 1: a house. She bought a fucking house, but I had
Speaker 1: to unbuy it because they scanned me. Life is complicated,
Speaker 1: but you managed to buy a house in this economy,
Speaker 1: which is just like, absolutely mind boggling. I have like
Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars right now. You would know that I
Speaker 1: have wanted to buy out since I was a child,
Speaker 1: and so I've always been saving it and I've lost
Speaker 1: friends because of it. I'm fucking tired us like my parents.
Speaker 1: You know. It's I'm also extremely privileged and I'm very
Speaker 1: fortunate to have been in the position that I But
Speaker 1: also I'm just going to give you credit where credit
Speaker 1: is due. You've worked hard for it. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of things you said no to, Yeah, that's true,
Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities you didn't get to have because
Speaker 1: you wanted this. And I really admire you because you
Speaker 1: set that goal and you followed through with it. And
Speaker 1: this was last year was a year that you saw
Speaker 1: that through. In some way, you did technically buy a house.
Speaker 1: Technically I did. Yeah, I went in my veil, I
Speaker 1: got Doras hay By literally went what's mine is yours? Now?
Speaker 1: A little bit okay from my sweetheart, But um so
Speaker 1: what ended up happening? So you bought the house and
Speaker 1: then it was a big fuck around. They definitely took
Speaker 1: advantage of the factor you was your first time. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I signed the contract and then the day after they
Speaker 1: were like buying away in that house needs underpinning, and
Speaker 1: I was like what And then I told my dad
Speaker 1: and my dad was like underpinning is like twenty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: It means the house is sinking into the ground, Like
Speaker 1: this is bad. And then we like looked it up
Speaker 1: and it's like a lot of money. And the property
Speaker 1: was already selling for more than the other houses of
Speaker 1: the block were valued up, and I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, like this is really stressful. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we got out of it, and I was really fortunate
Speaker 1: to have a good be recommended, a really good lawyer
Speaker 1: from my colleague. Um, she's done all the work, like
Speaker 1: pro bono, really pro bono. Yeah, if you don't buy
Speaker 1: the house, she hasn't and you didn't technically buy the house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because she hasn't done all the forms and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was really good and that a lot of the
Speaker 1: stress off. Would that be your advice if you're going
Speaker 1: to purchase a house in your twenties, get a good
Speaker 1: lawyer or make sure you can afford it, I guess yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I would say that if you wanted to do that. Um,
Speaker 1: I was really really conservative with all my calculations, so
Speaker 1: I made sure that it was like less than half
Speaker 1: my paycheck that was going to go to the mortgage.
Speaker 1: And um, like your mum said as well, just making
Speaker 1: sure that if everything goes wrong, if you're if you
Speaker 1: don't have an income, how are you like making sure
Speaker 1: that you have plans to finance it? Yeah? And like,
Speaker 1: because I'm buying a house when I'm young, I knew
Speaker 1: I wanted to travel, so um need I needed. I
Speaker 1: knew I needed to buy a house that was easy
Speaker 1: to rent and things like that, easy to serve as
Speaker 1: low maintenance. Yeah, and it would be it would be
Speaker 1: very easy to rent. It's from Yeah, the one that
Speaker 1: you did initially buy it, and hopefully you do get
Speaker 1: to buy it in the end if they give you
Speaker 1: a discount. We'll see. Yeah, and if lots of propers,
Speaker 1: you've still done it, like you still kind of fulfilled
Speaker 1: your wish. I'm so excited for when I can come
Speaker 1: and visit you and your dinner party in my house.
Speaker 1: You know what else. You can paint the walls whatever
Speaker 1: color you want. I can put nails in the roof.
Speaker 1: Nails in the roof so I can hang plants. You
Speaker 1: can put wallpaper up. I'm not putting wallpaper, oh my god,
Speaker 1: but you could. I could, Oh my god. You can
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. You can set it on fire.
Speaker 1: You can get these like things that are like sand
Speaker 1: and oil. They're massive circles and you can get them
Speaker 1: to like hang on your wall and then you flip
Speaker 1: it and it's one of those like sand things, but
Speaker 1: it creates landscapes and you turn it. It's a different
Speaker 1: landscape every time. Really, it's like six hundred dollars. But
Speaker 1: is it a necessity? Well, the house that I was
Speaker 1: going to buy only have three windows, so it would
Speaker 1: be a necessity. Oh yes, you can climb it on
Speaker 1: tax No. Yeah, it's gonna be your mental health only. No,
Speaker 1: I don't. I only have three windows, but I had
Speaker 1: two bedrooms, one bedroom in each, one window in each bedroom,
Speaker 1: and then the door to get in was a window.
Speaker 1: It didn't have any windows in the lounge room. Well,
Speaker 1: the lound room was where you got in, but we're
Speaker 1: gonna put it had skylights. Oh okay, that's good. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I found out the other day in
Speaker 1: Australia it's illegal to have a bedroom without a window. Really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if there's like a property and it has like say,
Speaker 1: for example, a room with a window, you can't count
Speaker 1: that as like a third or a fourth bedroom. You
Speaker 1: have to say it's a two bedroom. I work for
Speaker 1: a council and one of we inspect rooming houses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't think I can say this on a podcast,
Speaker 1: so no, I can't. Why I'm sorry, Wait I tell
Speaker 1: you after Oh damn, why can't you say? I'll let
Speaker 1: you guys know in the comments? There's no cos she's
Speaker 1: lying to you anyhow. Well, and then you also got
Speaker 1: a full time job last year as well. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: did you really and you were so stressed about it?
Speaker 1: You did? Okay. One thing that I think you did
Speaker 1: amazing was you didn't just like grab the first job
Speaker 1: that came to you you like did things. You volunteered.
Speaker 1: At the start of the year, you were so busy.
Speaker 1: You were volunteering, you were doing so many different things,
Speaker 1: you were doing internships, you were just taking time for yourself.
Speaker 1: Would you recommend that, I would absolutely recommend it. But
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't like it. Why. I really really
Speaker 1: really loved what I was studying, and I was because
Speaker 1: I finished my degree in lockdown. It was a little
Speaker 1: bit I didn't enjoy that. I didn't like studying online,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I didn't want to forget what
Speaker 1: I was studying. But because I wasn't doing anything and
Speaker 1: I was really relaxed, I wasn't reinforcing that knowledge in
Speaker 1: a way that I would have liked, and I felt
Speaker 1: a bit aimless. I'm a very busy person. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I just didn't like having even like three or four
Speaker 1: hours a day that I wasn't doing anything. I did
Speaker 1: get really into yoga, which passed the time, but I
Speaker 1: just didn't like doing stuff. Yeah, and I was applying
Speaker 1: for so many jobs that I think I lost my
Speaker 1: mind and your confidence probably, Yeah, And I forgot how
Speaker 1: to write about myself by the like fiftieth application. I
Speaker 1: just was like, well, I've already written this, shouldn't they know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: But like it was obviously a different company, and the
Speaker 1: job that I got I didn't even really apply for.
Speaker 1: I got an internship just by fluke. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, if you want, you can work
Speaker 1: for us, And it coincidentally was almost exactly the job
Speaker 1: I was looking for. I just didn't know it existed. Really,
Speaker 1: And it's a cool job. She has so many good
Speaker 1: stories I do, like they're the best. I love that
Speaker 1: you are like a big a, big time cool full
Speaker 1: time job girl. Thank you, big time cool full time
Speaker 1: job girl. Is your new? When I tell people I
Speaker 1: my health inspector, they're like, oh, that's boring. Like most
Speaker 1: of my friends work in hospitality, so like you're the
Speaker 1: person that ruins my day. Yeah yeah, yeah no, but
Speaker 1: you do more than that, Like there was this one
Speaker 1: about a noise complaint that you told me about. I
Speaker 1: obviously won't tell you to do to the details. Yea.
Speaker 1: We do a lot of different things. It's not just food. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love places, I literally do. I went to this
Speaker 1: the most magnificent health and beauty like public health and
Speaker 1: well being premises, and the lady was so nice, and
Speaker 1: there was one thing she needed to fix, and she
Speaker 1: sent me this full video. It was like produced. It
Speaker 1: had like music on in the background. They were like
Speaker 1: showing me around and I was like, this is this
Speaker 1: is a video? I had music? Yeah, they had music.
Speaker 1: Put it to the YouTube. It was so pretty. Really,
Speaker 1: it was amazing. You get to visit it in person. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw it in person then and I was like,
Speaker 1: can you just send me a video when you fix
Speaker 1: this thing? And then she like fully produced this whole
Speaker 1: video with like music and like it was like Calmytube.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. Maybe she's coming the most beautiful place
Speaker 1: I've been to? Some beautiful place? Is it anywhere that
Speaker 1: you've been that you're like, I'm going to go back
Speaker 1: there or anywhere that you've been. I'm definitely not a
Speaker 1: lot of places where I was like, definitely not. But
Speaker 1: I just usually we usually don't go to many places.
Speaker 1: There's only a couple of places that we would go
Speaker 1: to in our council because it's a bit tricky if
Speaker 1: you're eating somewhere and then to a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: health inspectors that are definitely going to inspect your place. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the next year. Really. Yeah, so it's fine. It's fine.
Speaker 1: We go to like, we go to places, but we
Speaker 1: don't go to many, yeah, as as a team. And
Speaker 1: then like, I don't really do much beauty stuff, so
Speaker 1: I don't. But there's a lot of places that I
Speaker 1: would be like, if I wanted to get my lashes done,
Speaker 1: I would come here if I wanted to get like
Speaker 1: an eyebrowed tattoo. Did you tell them that if I
Speaker 1: was ever going to get an eyebrowed tattoo? No, because
Speaker 1: then they'd be like, come and we'll do it for free,
Speaker 1: which I'm not allowed to do. Oh bribes. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Corruption isn't that bad? It's well, no, it's
Speaker 1: pretty bad. Imagine in like the future, if I become
Speaker 1: some kind of political person and then that audio is played,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the past that takes you down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty one year old gemists begging journalist and be like
Speaker 1: I know everything about you. I'm just going to bring
Speaker 1: you down. You would you sell my secret? No, of
Speaker 1: course not. It's a bit of a gamble when you
Speaker 1: have a long term friend who your chair everything with,
Speaker 1: because they could ease you. Better not scream me over
Speaker 1: make climate change a priority. Well, I'll think about it.
Speaker 1: It's not real, but yeahs like solar panels are just
Speaker 1: so ugg. I don't really know if that's my vibe.
Speaker 1: Like when I buy my like six floor terrace apartment
Speaker 1: in Carlton, nor Yeah, like what if it's a heritage property,
Speaker 1: I can't put any more trees in, but you could
Speaker 1: put solar panels. Babe, No, I'll go, remember, I go,
Speaker 1: it's my your favorite word. No, but I would definitely
Speaker 1: do that for you, zoeborg out. So I will make
Speaker 1: solar panels on residential properties. Solar panels is compulsory. Oh
Speaker 1: there's more you can do. Okay, Well we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that at a later day. Yes. Next podcast coming up
Speaker 1: is Jemmas began running food Prime Minister. What's your what's
Speaker 1: he going to do? Key policies comment below, Yeah, key policies.
Speaker 1: Please invest in hay fever medication for stickular cats. Tax
Speaker 1: don't tax hay fever medication. Don't tax hayfeverer medication. Make
Speaker 1: bribes in health inspection legal. I think they are legal.
Speaker 1: You can't bribe someone that's not ride, But we just
Speaker 1: don't do it in our company. Oh that's nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys have morals. Yeah, an ethical company. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I could work with that. I won't tell
Speaker 1: you what the company is. I know what it is.
Speaker 1: So we talked about twenty twenty one. What do you
Speaker 1: want for twenty twenty two? To wrap up this podcast?
Speaker 1: I want us to get married, But you don't really
Speaker 1: have anything to give me. I was already. I'm already
Speaker 1: engaged to someone overseas so I can get a green car. Oh.
Speaker 1: I actually am married to a Nigerian prince. I gave
Speaker 1: him all my money. He told me he'd bring me
Speaker 1: over soon. Do you want to come to the wedding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll come to the wedding. Guy, I've already written my speech. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be one of my bridesmaids? I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna be my excuse me, I was like, one
Speaker 1: of your bridesmaids, stepped down, stepped down. Yeah, you'd definitely
Speaker 1: be an Hannah. Yeah, yeah, you would definitely be my
Speaker 1: maid of honor. I think that would be fun because
Speaker 1: also it would be amazing. You're funny. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: know funny looking. Hey, podcast is over, by guys, We're
Speaker 1: back on truck what do we want for twenty twenty two?
Speaker 1: I first, yeah, you go, I really want to be
Speaker 1: more honest with myself and with others. And I want
Speaker 1: to make really good friends, some different friends, some really
Speaker 1: good friends, not like different is in like I'm stick
Speaker 1: of my own friends because I'm obviously not They're incredible,
Speaker 1: but like a different type of friend because I think
Speaker 1: a lot of my friends like people I met in Uni,
Speaker 1: and I kind of want to meet some people who
Speaker 1: are like working professionals or doing like trades or other things,
Speaker 1: or artists or things that are a little bit different
Speaker 1: to kind of have. I obviously have friends who are
Speaker 1: already kind of meet those. I don't want to say criteria,
Speaker 1: It's like I have a list of criteria, but like
Speaker 1: I want to meet some new people and kind of
Speaker 1: grow through them as well and have some new experiences
Speaker 1: with them. And I really hope that my new life
Speaker 1: in Sydney is glamorous and fun and really embodies the
Speaker 1: lyrics of Taylor Swift in her Masterpiece twenty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that, And for you, I think for me,
Speaker 1: I want to prioritize self care. So I've already been
Speaker 1: working a little bit on it. Because of lockdown, but
Speaker 1: listening to my body and doing what I feel like
Speaker 1: I need to do, so eating what my body needs
Speaker 1: that yeah, yeah, intuitive eating, like nourishing my body, doing
Speaker 1: more yoga. I want to take at least half an
Speaker 1: hour every day to reflect, so just like not have
Speaker 1: any distractions. And you know there's an option to journal
Speaker 1: or draw or whatever, but just like take the switch
Speaker 1: off and like that is when I come to lots
Speaker 1: of epiphanies as well. I want to get passionate as well.
Speaker 1: I really enjoy talking about immunology and microbiology. And although
Speaker 1: I get to promote public health in my job, it's
Speaker 1: not as much talking about vaccines and having difficult conversations
Speaker 1: with people in that sort of sense. So I want
Speaker 1: to seek out discussions and just get excited about that
Speaker 1: again because that's a way that I can expand myself
Speaker 1: out of work and just keep that conversation going. We're
Speaker 1: so young, I'm sure that you're end up doing incredible things.
Speaker 1: Maybe you'll Beach week health officer one day. No, my
Speaker 1: colleague wants to do that. Oh, sorry, you can't take her.
Speaker 1: I can't steal her. I don't think that's what I
Speaker 1: want to do. I'm not sure. I might do teaching.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you'd be an incredible teacher. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would like I would love if you're my teacher, but
Speaker 1: I'm not. That's a long way away. I really love
Speaker 1: my job. I love I get to work in public
Speaker 1: health and like work with proprietors and build connections. It's
Speaker 1: it's great And I didn't even know it existed until
Speaker 1: less than a year ago. So there's a lesson. You
Speaker 1: don't your dream job might not even you mightn't even
Speaker 1: know what's out there yet. Yeah. The other thing I
Speaker 1: want to do, which I think everyone should do. Comment
Speaker 1: below if this has worked for you in the past,
Speaker 1: is to follow my gut. All of the good things
Speaker 1: that happened this year, as scary as they were, Like
Speaker 1: I've worked it came up for like six years and
Speaker 1: I freaking love it and I had to stop doing
Speaker 1: that as much to get to do my full time job.
Speaker 1: And at the start of that, I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't want to do this, like I don't want to
Speaker 1: leave cam out. I love it, like working there so
Speaker 1: much fun um, But my gut was like, no, you
Speaker 1: need to do this, Like this is something that has
Speaker 1: to be done. Yeah, you've got to make that leap
Speaker 1: yet that job is scary. I just think like, yeah
Speaker 1: that that Having that is one of my key principles
Speaker 1: and I'm going to follow my gut and go with
Speaker 1: my intuition has helped me to realize that no matter
Speaker 1: what happens, if I do that, everything will be okay.
Speaker 1: I'll eave. It'll either go badly and I'll learn a
Speaker 1: great lesson, or to go great and I'll become more
Speaker 1: of the person than I want to be. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you amaze me, inspire. It's so much advice you gave
Speaker 1: to the people, all the people, guys. How to buy
Speaker 1: a house, to your dreams, how to find your dreams,
Speaker 1: how to live your dream under bushes that's where my
Speaker 1: cat is. Yeah, Dora will lead you there. She's a
Speaker 1: missiall beautiful. What it's the worst. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining me, Zoe, I've dream I love you so much.
Speaker 1: I love you as we didn't really talk that much
Speaker 1: about our friendship, Like forty five minutes talking about our friendship.
Speaker 1: Who even are you know? Do you know my middle name? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do, but I'm not going to say it on
Speaker 1: the show. Thank goodness, yeah, see, was that a test? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you have a middle name? Yeah? What is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: She got it? A real friend, we can stay friends.
Speaker 1: We should have done the green card test. That would
Speaker 1: have been like whether we could give a marriage would
Speaker 1: have been together. What's my favorite I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a question. I don't know. Wait what honey honeycomb? Probably? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's mine? Probably like a chocolate chip one? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't whisper with any answer. Yeah, guys were so
Speaker 1: in sync, like holding up the answers, what is my
Speaker 1: best friend's name, Zoe? Oh my god, what's your best
Speaker 1: friend's name? General? I'm going to answer what my friend's
Speaker 1: name is? Yeah? We always put the magnifying what's my
Speaker 1: favorite color? Green? Yes? What's my favorite color? Yes? And
Speaker 1: we didn't even tell each other that. So where do
Speaker 1: I live? I don't know where? Imla same anyhow? Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for listening, um and if you like
Speaker 1: this podcast. If you liked this episode, leave us a
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Speaker 1: make a rival podcast to tell us how much you
Speaker 1: like it. Yeah that's good. Okay, Well let us know
Speaker 1: if you end up doing that in our comment below
Speaker 1: you've done it, or yeah, let's follow us on Instagram
Speaker 1: and you can leave an actual comment there which I
Speaker 1: will probably read. Yeah, well that makes a lot more sense.
Speaker 1: And we love you so much. Thanks for the supple listening,
Speaker 1: and I hope you love my friend as much as
Speaker 1: I love her as well. Yeah, have beautiful