Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties,
Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk through some of the big
Speaker 1: changes and transitions of our twenties and what they mean
Speaker 1: for our psychology. Welcome back to the podcast for another
Speaker 1: episode another week. This week, we're talking about big life changes,
Speaker 1: big life transitions, and all of those kind of things
Speaker 1: that that involves. Just quickly, my little puppy's next to
Speaker 1: me at the moment, because I'm back at home with
Speaker 1: my family in Melbourne. Kind Of why I wanted to
Speaker 1: do this episode, I guess, is because I'm going through
Speaker 1: a big life change right now. I'm about to move cities,
Speaker 1: move jobs, move lives. Basically I've just graduated. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I really wanted to kind of think about this topic
Speaker 1: just for my own sake, but also because it's kind
Speaker 1: of in the intro of the podcast. It's kind of
Speaker 1: in the name. It's something that, Yeah, I've wanted to
Speaker 1: discuss for a while. I think one of the quintessential
Speaker 1: aspects of our twenties is the big life changes and
Speaker 1: moves and decisions that we all kind of have to make.
Speaker 1: All the world's going to make them for us our
Speaker 1: twenties is when we decide what we want our life
Speaker 1: to be. Often a time when we move away from
Speaker 1: home to new cities. Like I said, we change jobs,
Speaker 1: lose friends, and make new ones who might end and
Speaker 1: start relationships as well. And in our twenties, I think
Speaker 1: we tend to transition through many can you hear the duck? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we tend to transition through many different lives and lifestyles,
Speaker 1: choosing one which kind of fit us best. And the
Speaker 1: things that are kind of typical and our twenties like
Speaker 1: union jobs and travel and starting relationships ending relationship gap
Speaker 1: years are all massive events in our lives and what
Speaker 1: a company is. It is also indicative of life trages
Speaker 1: like those moves, like new friends and new hobbies and surroundings,
Speaker 1: and that can kind of a toll. I think also,
Speaker 1: as COVID has taught us, sometimes big life changes and
Speaker 1: transitions aren't always in our control. It's not something that
Speaker 1: we choose to do willingly and have some optimism about.
Speaker 1: So how do we stay resilient when things can shift
Speaker 1: so quickly in life, especially when we're young and we
Speaker 1: don't really have the same security that our older years
Speaker 1: perhaps might bring if we're lucky. I think also it's
Speaker 1: okay to be scared. It's okay to be kind of terrified,
Speaker 1: like you don't always know where you'll land, and whether
Speaker 1: what you had before maybe better. I think it's worth
Speaker 1: remembering it always kind of works out in the end, really,
Speaker 1: But let's discuss the psychology behind these big life changes
Speaker 1: and shifts in our lives, the emotions that accompany that,
Speaker 1: and why we have this drive for change and novelty
Speaker 1: in our younger years. So this is what we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about, discovering in our our own values and
Speaker 1: life beyond what our parents have kind of decided for us,
Speaker 1: pushing back but also wanting to pursue massive changes. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about loneliness and temporariness, temporariness people who
Speaker 1: are temporary, things that are temporary in our twenties, and
Speaker 1: that constant shedding of old skin, old habits, and old
Speaker 1: versions of yourself, and the kind of trial and error
Speaker 1: that we go through in our twenties to find out
Speaker 1: who we are, but probably more importantly, who we want
Speaker 1: to be, and that means making mistakes, It means huge
Speaker 1: changes to our internal conceptions of ourselves and also our
Speaker 1: external worlds as well, and Obviously, I'm in my early twenties,
Speaker 1: so I haven't really experienced the full kind of effect
Speaker 1: of those life transitions I've you know, this is kind
Speaker 1: of my first big one as a young adult or
Speaker 1: by myself, so yeah, kind of looking forward to diving
Speaker 1: into it and learning some more about how we can
Speaker 1: kind of coast through these big life changes and what
Speaker 1: it means for our psychology, how we can do our
Speaker 1: best to adjust to the cards that life kind of
Speaker 1: deals us in our young years. So psychologists call the
Speaker 1: state of being in transition liminality liminality, so it basically
Speaker 1: means being between social roles and identities. So in other words,
Speaker 1: it means that you're kind of neither in this state
Speaker 1: or the life that you've left, and nor are you
Speaker 1: completely in your new life or your new state, at
Speaker 1: least not mentally. And this can provoke something of an
Speaker 1: identity crisis that raises the question of who am I,
Speaker 1: Who do I want to be? What am I going
Speaker 1: to be? What's my life going to be like? Which
Speaker 1: can be quite emotionally destabilizing. And there's heaps of literature
Speaker 1: on this, obviously, because big life changes are a huge,
Speaker 1: huge source of stress and stress is obviously something that
Speaker 1: psychologists are quite concerned about and want to look into.
Speaker 1: Like I mentioned, I'm in a state of liminality at
Speaker 1: the moment, I'm just about to move cities. I've kind
Speaker 1: of like packed up my old life in Canberra where
Speaker 1: I was living. I graduated, I've kind of you know,
Speaker 1: I'm preparing to move jobs and moved to Sydney, but
Speaker 1: I'm not quite there yet. So I'm in this weird
Speaker 1: halfway point, staying with my family over Christmas and over
Speaker 1: the holidays, with one foot in my old life and
Speaker 1: one foot like tentatively in my new one as well,
Speaker 1: which is like quite exciting. But also that liminality state
Speaker 1: is very emotionally stabilizing. And there's a reason that major
Speaker 1: life shifts like moving cities or living relationships or jobs
Speaker 1: can impact our mental health and why it is such
Speaker 1: a big area of research and interest, and it comes
Speaker 1: down to how the brain functions. So when you change,
Speaker 1: when you forced your life to change, when you disrupt
Speaker 1: your daily or pattern routine, it actually activates the conflict
Speaker 1: sensors in the brain and this causes brain chaos, and
Speaker 1: that's what we call cognitive dissonance and all this kind
Speaker 1: of research was done by this doctor called doctor Pelai,
Speaker 1: who was an assistant professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School.
Speaker 1: The dog again in the background, But it's this activation
Speaker 1: of the conflict sensor or the conflict area of the
Speaker 1: brain that creates that stress in people, that creates that
Speaker 1: dissonance or that chaos that we might often associate with
Speaker 1: the stress of changing our lives and with most things
Speaker 1: in the world of psychology, or just like life in general,
Speaker 1: not everyone is really affected equally. So this doctor he
Speaker 1: suggests that personality firstly kind of determines how change impacts
Speaker 1: our mental health. So for those who or who rate
Speaker 1: high an openness to experience, they'll often seek out novel
Speaker 1: and change is usually easier for them to manage because
Speaker 1: it's something that they can adjust to. Perhaps their threshold
Speaker 1: for stress is a lot higher or their brain and
Speaker 1: the way that they made their temperament just means that
Speaker 1: they do seek out opportunity more than others. But it's
Speaker 1: those who feel most comfortable with the status quo of
Speaker 1: how life has usually been that will find those big
Speaker 1: changes or transitions to be more challenging just because who
Speaker 1: they are and the way that their brain isn't necessarily
Speaker 1: adapted or equipped to deal as easily with big changes
Speaker 1: and big disruptions to how they tend to leave their lives.
Speaker 1: Another thing that really impacts whether you see change or
Speaker 1: something that's exciting or something that's a bit stressful is
Speaker 1: the type of parents you have. So anxious parents, they
Speaker 1: often pass down that worldview that life is filled with
Speaker 1: danger and risk, and because of that kind of perception,
Speaker 1: for them, the best course of action is to kind
Speaker 1: of stick to what is safe and stick to what
Speaker 1: is known. And it's often parents who have experienced trauma
Speaker 1: or severe poverty or abusive upbringings that implicitly teach their
Speaker 1: own children that life is a dangerous and unpredictable thing
Speaker 1: and to just stick to what is known, don't follow,
Speaker 1: or don't kind of pursue too much change. And this
Speaker 1: might be why we see you friends in our lives
Speaker 1: or people in our lives who are young and who
Speaker 1: objectively have a lot of exciting opportunities in front of them,
Speaker 1: remain kind of paralyzed by that fear of changing anything
Speaker 1: because the change might lead to something unsafe. You know,
Speaker 1: career change could lead to job loss and homelessness or
Speaker 1: breaking up with a significant other would lead to dying alone.
Speaker 1: Or you know, if you've been doing something a certain way,
Speaker 1: pursuing a particular project or a business or an idea,
Speaker 1: you know, getting a job for you might actually just
Speaker 1: be incredibly disruptive. So for people also who have adjustment disorders,
Speaker 1: which is a real thing, it's in the DSM, change
Speaker 1: can also be particularly hard as the name kind of
Speaker 1: makes it fairly obvious, like adjustment disorder. But basically what
Speaker 1: this disorder is is it's an emotional or behavioral reaction
Speaker 1: to a stressful event or change in a person's life.
Speaker 1: And this reaction is considered an unhealthy or excessive response
Speaker 1: to kind of the thing that is happening, and often
Speaker 1: happens within three months of that change happening. So there
Speaker 1: are six different types I think from memory, six different
Speaker 1: forms of adjustment disorders, which I'm not really going to
Speaker 1: go into because a it's kind of boring. They're all
Speaker 1: really similar and we don't really need any self diagnosis
Speaker 1: going on around these parts. But basically, the disorder is
Speaker 1: an inability to cope. And like I said, there's so
Speaker 1: much literature on this because major life changes are a massive,
Speaker 1: massive source of stress, not just the good not just
Speaker 1: the bad ones like a death, but like also the
Speaker 1: good ones. And if you have an adjustment disorder, it's
Speaker 1: probably likely that those changes are not going to be
Speaker 1: as easy or as fun as they might be for
Speaker 1: other people. So an adjustment disorder it occurs when an
Speaker 1: individual stresses kind of exceed their resources for coping. And
Speaker 1: this is there's this woman called Nikki Nuts, and she's
Speaker 1: a professor of psychology at this college in Florida, and
Speaker 1: she does a lot of work into this, and she
Speaker 1: says that your reaction with this disorder kind of becomes
Speaker 1: disproportionate to the event you're reacting to. It's also called
Speaker 1: situational depression. So the symptoms are similar to that of
Speaker 1: other depressive disorders, like feelings of sadness, waves of anger,
Speaker 1: and crying spells. However, unlike a depressive disorder or a
Speaker 1: depressive episode, the symptoms are exclusively triggered by an outside
Speaker 1: stressor and they kind of also Luckily for this person
Speaker 1: or these people, they tend to resolve once the person
Speaker 1: is kind of adjusted to the situation. But that three
Speaker 1: month period, obviously it's going to kind of suck a lot,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure we've I'm sure there's heaps of people
Speaker 1: listening who've probably had this type of like disorder, even
Speaker 1: temporarily in their lives or for a moment in time
Speaker 1: when they've had a big life change and it's just
Speaker 1: been too much to cope with. It's just too much
Speaker 1: all at once, and in general. One of the major
Speaker 1: reasons we struggle with change, even for those who don't
Speaker 1: have this disorder, and why it can kind of result
Speaker 1: in cognitive dissonance is the element of uncertainty. And uncertainty
Speaker 1: it's been said it's kind of the enemy of our
Speaker 1: biological impulses. Like going back to evolutionary psychology, if we're
Speaker 1: unsure whether an animal is you know, a housecat or
Speaker 1: some like awful beast or tiger, we're kind of in
Speaker 1: trouble if we can't tell the difference, if we are
Speaker 1: uncertain about which it is. So our brain doesn't like
Speaker 1: the odds of equations with unknown variables basically, so it
Speaker 1: defaults to a negative bias for safety. So if you're
Speaker 1: uncertain about something, your brain and your body obviously wants
Speaker 1: to survive. So if one of the options is this
Speaker 1: is going to be terrible or dangerous. In the other optional,
Speaker 1: it's going to be safe and it's going to be amazing. Obviously,
Speaker 1: if it's safe and amazing, there's nothing to worry about,
Speaker 1: but there's also the fifty percent chance that it's not,
Speaker 1: and that's the thing that our brain wants us to
Speaker 1: kind of cope with. So it's going to respond as
Speaker 1: if it's responding to that negative outcome. And there was
Speaker 1: a study done and it showed that in people who
Speaker 1: are uncertain, seventy five percent of people mispredict when bad
Speaker 1: things are going to happen. So this uncertainty bias, it
Speaker 1: kind of trains our brain to expect the worse. And
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that change is great and you should
Speaker 1: expect the best. It's like an amazing thing always, but
Speaker 1: you should recognize that your brain, it kind of will
Speaker 1: go into an automatic negativity bias and think about this
Speaker 1: next time you kind of get an amazing job offer
Speaker 1: and you think about the security of your current job,
Speaker 1: or you know, you've decided you want to move cities,
Speaker 1: but your brain is going to tell you. It's going
Speaker 1: to speak to you as if this is going to
Speaker 1: be a negative thing, because it's protecting you, which kind
Speaker 1: of makes sense, and obviously our thoughts and our impulses
Speaker 1: aren't entirely out of our control. And to kind of
Speaker 1: help soothe the uncertainty that's causing the brain to fire
Speaker 1: its stress response. It's stress senses of we've kind of
Speaker 1: talked about. You can kind of use these like neutral
Speaker 1: self talk phrases such as, like, you know, uncertainty, it
Speaker 1: just means that I don't know the future. It doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that the future is going to be bad. And
Speaker 1: attempt to rationalize with your brain, intellectualize the kind of
Speaker 1: stress that you're experiencing. This is one thing that my therapist,
Speaker 1: who I've kind of ghosted recently, I need to get
Speaker 1: back on that. But my therapist, she always says to
Speaker 1: me when I'm worried about change and big moves like
Speaker 1: the one I'm making now, which obviously we've talked about,
Speaker 1: and what she tells me is to kind of turn
Speaker 1: fear into something that is exciting. So in excitement and anxiety,
Speaker 1: they activate the same areas of our brains, that being
Speaker 1: the amygdala and the hippocampus. They use the same kind
Speaker 1: of neural and synaptic pathways, so by turning your anxiety
Speaker 1: into excitement, you can ease any accompanying worry. I like
Speaker 1: given example, So instead of thinking like kind of using
Speaker 1: my example of moving to a new city, So instead
Speaker 1: of thinking, you know, like will I make any friends?
Speaker 1: What if I don't make friends? What if I'm not
Speaker 1: financially stable? Will I even like my new life? Will
Speaker 1: I be lonely? It's better to think of it in
Speaker 1: terms of kind of a positive, excitement, anticipatory I like
Speaker 1: way of thinking about it. So like thinking that thought
Speaker 1: of like, oh am I going to make new friends,
Speaker 1: instead of being like, oh what if I don't? Thinking
Speaker 1: you know, who are the new people I'm going to
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to meet? What exciting things will being
Speaker 1: alone allow me to do? What opportunities or experiences will
Speaker 1: I get to have that I can't even fathom yet, Like,
Speaker 1: imagine all the people I'm going to meet who are
Speaker 1: going to have a huge impact on my life, and
Speaker 1: I don't even know their names yet, Like I have
Speaker 1: no idea who these people are. And that's like the
Speaker 1: thing you can have fear, But that kind of that
Speaker 1: thought of who these people are is really exciting instead,
Speaker 1: and it activates the same areas of your brain. So
Speaker 1: it kind of trips your brain into, yes, having that
Speaker 1: fear response that it wants to have, but your perception
Speaker 1: of it is so much different. And I know that,
Speaker 1: like positive mindframe philosophy is kind of bullshit for some people,
Speaker 1: has some doubts surrounding it, you know, like if you
Speaker 1: just change your thoughts, you can change how you perceive
Speaker 1: the world. Like obviously, if a parent has just died
Speaker 1: me that I don't really seem any positives from that.
Speaker 1: So this is kind of exclusively for things you kind
Speaker 1: of voluntarily get to choose, but it is a pretty
Speaker 1: powerful tactic for changing fear into excitement and it works.
Speaker 1: Here's a quote I saw the other day, and yes
Speaker 1: it was on Instagram, but it really did something for me.
Speaker 1: Here it is so once we understand that crossing the
Speaker 1: river of change is the biological, neurological, chemical, and even
Speaker 1: genetic death of the old self, we have power over
Speaker 1: change and we can set our sights on the other
Speaker 1: side of the river. Changing our lives and diving into
Speaker 1: life changes shifts something really inherent to who we are
Speaker 1: in the moment. By changing our surroundings, in our environment
Speaker 1: and everything that we come into contact to contact with,
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like the death of our old selves.
Speaker 1: And sometimes it is that period between your past life
Speaker 1: and your new life that can be incredibly uncomfortable, that
Speaker 1: liminality that we were talking about. And often life transitions
Speaker 1: involve losses like death, the loss of a job or
Speaker 1: a relationship ending, and even positive transitions like a graduation
Speaker 1: or a job offer can make you feel a little
Speaker 1: bit sad. And you know sad because the person we
Speaker 1: were before in our old selves, our old lives, they
Speaker 1: aren't bad and they are incredibly comfortable because we have
Speaker 1: adjusted to the change that we made beforehand to be
Speaker 1: that person. But difficult and painful transitions they can actually
Speaker 1: yield great understanding of our life's purpose, which increases happiness
Speaker 1: and decreases stress. So it's kind of better in the
Speaker 1: long run eating a really gross vegetable. So there's heaps
Speaker 1: of research on this and research on how people derive
Speaker 1: a sense of purpose, and what it's found is that
Speaker 1: while periods of pain and struggle and change and transitions
Speaker 1: can make us temporarily unhappy or lonely or worried, they
Speaker 1: also make us feel as if our lives have more
Speaker 1: meaning in the long run, So going through that challenging
Speaker 1: time of moving cities or right after you've graduated, or
Speaker 1: there's just so many, so many kind of ways that
Speaker 1: our life changes. But whilst it may be hard in
Speaker 1: the moment, it actually is a really good exercise to
Speaker 1: for our minds and an exercise for our souls as well,
Speaker 1: to kind of put things into perspective and realize what
Speaker 1: we really want from life. And the most resilient people
Speaker 1: will see change as an opportunity rather than kind of
Speaker 1: a monster to fear, because they allow you to consider
Speaker 1: where your priorities lie, which friends you stay in touch with,
Speaker 1: what you want from your new life, what you want
Speaker 1: from your new job, who is this new version of
Speaker 1: you going to be, and what's really important to you,
Speaker 1: Like where do you see yourself wasting your time and energy?
Speaker 1: And what that kind of brings is a clear sense
Speaker 1: of your goals and values. And you find that your
Speaker 1: body and your mind can be much more resilient when
Speaker 1: it comes to the stresses of change because all of
Speaker 1: it is put into kind of a larger scale, and
Speaker 1: I think above all, prioritizing your health in life transitions
Speaker 1: kind of means not being afraid to ask for help
Speaker 1: when you need it, especially if you're making a change
Speaker 1: whereby you're just naturally going to be disconnected from people
Speaker 1: you may have previously had a lot of contact with.
Speaker 1: It can be really, really lonely. And humans, like I
Speaker 1: hear this said all the time. I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: going to stay it on my podcast, but it's so true.
Speaker 1: Humans social creatures by nature, so you weren't built to
Speaker 1: withstand every sudden event in life without the support of others.
Speaker 1: You're not meant to just like try and force yourself
Speaker 1: to be lonely because you think it's going to create independence.
Speaker 1: It's important to kind of reach out. And I think
Speaker 1: something that we need to remind ourselves and that we
Speaker 1: kind of know is that it's all worth it in
Speaker 1: the end. We know that otherwise we wouldn't make the leap.
Speaker 1: There's something that is pushing you. We would always kind
Speaker 1: of stay the same until the world forces us to change.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like what I was talking about. There's
Speaker 1: people who have that great openness to experience. You know,
Speaker 1: I have so many friends who have just like completely
Speaker 1: changed their lives around so many times, and it's not
Speaker 1: a big deal. For them, they travel whenever they want,
Speaker 1: they change jobs whenever they want. But for others it's
Speaker 1: not that simple. But I think sometimes staying the same
Speaker 1: as even more stressful and time consuming and takes concentration
Speaker 1: and effort because things aren't always in our control, like
Speaker 1: losing a job or getting dumped or surviving an accident.
Speaker 1: The world will push us if we don't do it
Speaker 1: for ourselves, So you may as well just take the
Speaker 1: leap when you have the chance to be in control.
Speaker 1: Like I think COVID was a really good example of this.
Speaker 1: So many people who I think or like working jobs
Speaker 1: they didn't like, or in cities where they didn't feel
Speaker 1: connected to their family, or trying out the new identities
Speaker 1: or pursuing careers or degrees they didn't like. When you
Speaker 1: go through something like COVID, it kind of forces you
Speaker 1: to change. It forces you to kind of put things
Speaker 1: into perspective and make a decision. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: what life does. Like you cannot just stay the same,
Speaker 1: like it's the world won't let you. But here's the
Speaker 1: good news. I think even difficult, unwanted transitions are usually
Speaker 1: seen differently in retrospect than in real time. And there's
Speaker 1: a psychologist called Feeler who studies liminality and life changes
Speaker 1: and transitions quite extensively. Actually, he has a lot of
Speaker 1: really interesting papers if you're into that. But he found
Speaker 1: that ninety percent of the time the people he spoke
Speaker 1: with about their life changes, they ultimately judged their transition
Speaker 1: to have been a success in so far that the
Speaker 1: transition ended and they found themselves once again on solid ground.
Speaker 1: Even better research also tends to show that we see
Speaker 1: past events, even unwanted ones, as net positives over time,
Speaker 1: like getting fired from a job, even though in the
Speaker 1: moment you might be stressing about financial security and missing
Speaker 1: your work buddies, it's often judges a net positive over time.
Speaker 1: And although our brains kind of have a tendency to
Speaker 1: focus on negative emotions in the present, like we were
Speaker 1: talking about that automatic kind of process, over the years,
Speaker 1: unpleasant feelings fade more than pleasant feelings do. And it's
Speaker 1: a phenomenon known as I think fading affect biased. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fading effect bias. And it sounds like a cognitive error,
Speaker 1: but it isn't. It's not like our brain trying to
Speaker 1: trick us. Almost every transition, even the most challenging ones
Speaker 1: does bear some positive fruit. It just may take some
Speaker 1: time to see it and feel its effects, because in
Speaker 1: the moment, our brain is so worried about that uncertainty
Speaker 1: element and about what might go wrong and why we
Speaker 1: need to have that fear. But in hindsight, when you're
Speaker 1: no longer in that situation where your body is in
Speaker 1: flight or fight kind of mode, you're kind of able
Speaker 1: to appreciate it for what it is. And in his
Speaker 1: book Meanings of Life, the psychologist Roy boomister boymister I
Speaker 1: can't remember his name. It's called The Meanings of Life.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's definitely not a very generic book title,
Speaker 1: but this psychologist he argues that the sense of meaning
Speaker 1: gain through change makes the rest of life seem more stable.
Speaker 1: And this is one of the great constellations of aging
Speaker 1: and seeing a lot of change, is that transitions likely
Speaker 1: don't cause as much distress, and you might actually be
Speaker 1: happier because if you've gone through so many periods of
Speaker 1: ups and downs and roller coasters and transitions, you probably
Speaker 1: have a pretty stable sense of identity throughout that at all,
Speaker 1: and some pretty good priorities about what you want from
Speaker 1: your life and the one final thing about big life changes.
Speaker 1: I feel like this whole episode has just been me
Speaker 1: trying to convince myself that moving cities isn't going to
Speaker 1: be terrible. But another thing is difficult periods can really
Speaker 1: stimulate innovation and ingenuity. A large amount of literature talks
Speaker 1: about post traumatic growth, in which people derive long term
Speaker 1: benefits from painful experiences, including more appreciation for life like
Speaker 1: we've talked about, as well as richer relationships, greater resilience,
Speaker 1: and deeper spirituality. And I think the richer relationships is
Speaker 1: a big one because when people move, or when something
Speaker 1: changes in your life, if you decide to do something
Speaker 1: completely different, you kind of realize who's really there for
Speaker 1: you in a way, and who it's not just convenient
Speaker 1: to be around, but who you actually kind of like
Speaker 1: and really get along with. And another manifestation of this
Speaker 1: growth is heightened heightened creativity. This is one of the
Speaker 1: big reasons why I'm really excited for the next few
Speaker 1: years of my life, because I think struggle and change
Speaker 1: really pushes the kind of limits of how your brain
Speaker 1: sees the world. And I've seen this already, like breakups
Speaker 1: are probably the best example of a big kind of
Speaker 1: shift in your life, kind of chasmic, chaotic violence. Shift
Speaker 1: and change like that brings so many emotions to deal
Speaker 1: with and process, and that can really fuel our creative
Speaker 1: process because to move past difficult times, you really have
Speaker 1: to embrace them and work through them, and work through
Speaker 1: this sludge and the mud of all the terrible shit
Speaker 1: that's kind of clogged up in your brain and you
Speaker 1: have to feel every moment and creating something from that
Speaker 1: is such a good outlet. And I think if you
Speaker 1: have a mind like that, that's often where it's going
Speaker 1: to go in times of change and transition and stress.
Speaker 1: What a ramble that has kind of been. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I feel like this episode is just me trying to
Speaker 1: convince myself that this is a good idea. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe I should do like a follow up episode in
Speaker 1: a year's time, And I like, if you guys have
Speaker 1: seen those like Billie Eilish videos where they like record
Speaker 1: her every year asking her the same questions, it'd be
Speaker 1: interesting to listen back to this episode in a year's
Speaker 1: time after I've made the move and see if my
Speaker 1: predictions about adjustment and cognitive dissonance and new priorities and
Speaker 1: creativity are right, or whether I'm just like full of
Speaker 1: crap or the literature it's just like full of crap.
Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you so much for listening. Also, you
Speaker 1: guys have been really hyping the podcast up recently. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much for that. I really appreciate it. And, like
Speaker 1: I always say, if you want to support us or
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