Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. Hello, welcome back to the show. My
Speaker 1: name is Matt. Our colleague Nol is not here, I know,
Speaker 1: but he will be returning shortly. They call me Ben.
Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our superproducer Paul Mission controlled decade.
Speaker 1: Most importantly, you are you, You are here, and that
Speaker 1: makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. Matt,
Speaker 1: it is so good to be back. I have no
Speaker 1: idea what time it is, but we've got we've got.
Speaker 1: We've got a great episode today, and I thought, maybe
Speaker 1: if we could, I don't want to be too sentimental,
Speaker 1: but if we could, could we have just a moment
Speaker 1: of remembrance for the ruins of headphones that I'm wearing
Speaker 1: right now as we record? I think we should? You
Speaker 1: ready here it comes a moment of silence in honor
Speaker 1: of Ben's headphones. There it goes all right, be a legend.
Speaker 1: I'll like to play boys to mend yesterday. You won't
Speaker 1: be able to hear it, Yeah, I won't be able
Speaker 1: to hear it. I'll have to hear it, hear it
Speaker 1: in my heart and soul. Matt. Now that so much
Speaker 1: time has passed, I gotta tell you, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: these are your headphones or were at some point, or
Speaker 1: maybe Casey Pegram's headphones at some point. These are so old, dude,
Speaker 1: are they the black sendhisers? Yeah? Oh yeah, I've got
Speaker 1: a pair of silver ones right now. Yeah, these are
Speaker 1: nice and old too. There. These headphones were probably some
Speaker 1: of the first Countless members. Well, we could probably count them.
Speaker 1: A lot of our colleagues, probably war in our early
Speaker 1: days of podcasting. So I was telling you a nol
Speaker 1: our group chat. I don't know if it's appropriate, but
Speaker 1: I'm thinking if we put these in a nice like
Speaker 1: glass box, kind of artsy frame and send it, send
Speaker 1: it to an iHeart corporate office. If we make a
Speaker 1: plaque that looks nice enough, someone's going to hang it
Speaker 1: on the wall. Yeah they will, and they should, honestly
Speaker 1: they should. Or we could just I don't know, rub
Speaker 1: some kind of blood and guts all over it and
Speaker 1: send it up into the mountains. Do a one of
Speaker 1: those one of those burials called sky barrel. Right there,
Speaker 1: we go yes, because because buzzards love eating Sineheiser headphones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was one of their main selling points when they
Speaker 1: came out, the headphones the vultures love. So the thing
Speaker 1: here is if we did send this these busted headphones,
Speaker 1: and we made a vague enough plaque, then after they
Speaker 1: were hanging for years and years and years, people would
Speaker 1: start telling stories about them, and they would be doing so,
Speaker 1: probably with totally good intentions. They heard someone else say, oh,
Speaker 1: these headphones belong to you know, Josh and Chuck from
Speaker 1: stuff you should know. And then as time went on,
Speaker 1: maybe someone say, actually, these are the headphones that you
Speaker 1: know a legendary musician war when they did a showy
Speaker 1: Andre three thousands, and he developed them to look exactly
Speaker 1: like that. They're not broken. No, No, as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, you're broken for making that assumption. Okay, so
Speaker 1: keep walking. We're finishing the tour. But people make stories
Speaker 1: about things, right. People want the world to make sense,
Speaker 1: and we are no different on this show. It's a
Speaker 1: big reason why we started it. So we are. We
Speaker 1: always talked with each other off air about ideas and
Speaker 1: about ideas that our fellow conspiracy realistic sent in and
Speaker 1: every so often we run into something that we have
Speaker 1: never heard of at this point, will run in at
Speaker 1: this point. We I think all three of us have
Speaker 1: a pretty good spidy sense about a category or genre
Speaker 1: of mysterious thing. But I'd say it's increasingly rare for
Speaker 1: all of us now to hear about something and have
Speaker 1: no idea. Correct. That happened to us pretty recently, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Our buddy Nile called in and let us know about
Speaker 1: a thing called Adam's calendar, and it was kind of
Speaker 1: just an aside in a larger conversation he wanted to have.
Speaker 1: But this thing, just because we had no knowledge of it,
Speaker 1: became a little bit of a rabbit hole for us.
Speaker 1: And it's fascinating, y'all. Absolutely, this site, this name might
Speaker 1: not be familiar to everyone, or at least not by
Speaker 1: that name, but depending on who you ask, it may
Speaker 1: be one of the most significant struck in all of
Speaker 1: human history. If you checked out our listener Male segment
Speaker 1: where we mentioned this and we love it. If you
Speaker 1: do check out those shows, we always have a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. Then you listeners at home may have heard
Speaker 1: Matt Nye sprinkling in some caveats and as people who
Speaker 1: who talk on air pretty constantly. It can be difficult
Speaker 1: for us to hold back stuff when we know we
Speaker 1: want to do an episode on it. So you might
Speaker 1: have sent some hesitation or some ellipses while we're talking
Speaker 1: and we're saying, well, people claim it's the oldest structure
Speaker 1: on the planet, and then there's a pause and one
Speaker 1: of us is like, agreed, people do claim that. Moving on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in storytelling, you generally don't want to give away the
Speaker 1: entire ending right up at the top, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: unless you're doing a memento thing. Oh yeah, you can
Speaker 1: show like the very last moment and then you're like,
Speaker 1: but what happened? Then you go back to the beginning.
Speaker 1: You're probably wondering how I got here? So yeah, this, okay,
Speaker 1: here are the facts. We know. History can be pretty tricky, Matt,
Speaker 1: you and I were. I think the best example you
Speaker 1: and I ever found of the trickiness of history comes
Speaker 1: in the story of the City of Troy, right, which
Speaker 1: centuries and centuries was assumed to be an allegory or
Speaker 1: assumed to be a complete work of fiction, until one
Speaker 1: guy rediscovered it and proved that this was a real place.
Speaker 1: Lost civilizations are a real thing. Humanity is great at
Speaker 1: losing stuff. It's not just you and your smartphone or
Speaker 1: your car keys. Don't feel bad in a very real way.
Speaker 1: You are not alone, and other people have lost way
Speaker 1: bigger things. And the further we travel back from the
Speaker 1: present day twenty twenty three as we record this, the
Speaker 1: harder it is to learn specifics about almost anything a
Speaker 1: given artifact, right like the Shroud of turin which I
Speaker 1: don't know if we ever did an episode on, or structure,
Speaker 1: or even an entire culture. You know, no one knows
Speaker 1: what happened to the ancient sea people's that's a true story.
Speaker 1: No one knows exactly why everything in one part of
Speaker 1: the world collapsed during the Bronze Age. We just know
Speaker 1: things went sideways. And like we said, Earth is hungry.
Speaker 1: It eats stuff. It's just the sad fact that the
Speaker 1: majority of ancient human culture is irretrievably lost. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it is because forests and all kinds of vegetation just
Speaker 1: eats that stuff, doesn't matter what you made it out of,
Speaker 1: it'll eat it and then it just becomes some stones.
Speaker 1: And in the case of our story today, we are
Speaker 1: talking about stones spoiler alert, lots and lots of stones,
Speaker 1: which you know, they'll stick around for quite a while.
Speaker 1: They do tend to move a little bit when the
Speaker 1: softer stuff below them moves. But if you've got let's say,
Speaker 1: a standing stone structure like Stonehenge, it will stick around. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's that's something that I think a lot of us
Speaker 1: wish we had known earlier as kids, you know, reading
Speaker 1: the Time Life, Mysteries of the Unknown books and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, which I love and still reread.
Speaker 1: Very few people point out that the reason so many
Speaker 1: ancient structures are made of stone is because they are
Speaker 1: the ones that are still around today. There was a
Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff, quite sophisticated architecture, but it happened
Speaker 1: to be of reads. It happened to be of wood,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's a real three little pigs of
Speaker 1: you know thing that history has been doing for a
Speaker 1: long time, you know, right. Yeah, And that's why things
Speaker 1: made of bones, which are organic matter, even those can
Speaker 1: be eaten by the hungry, hungry planet upon which we live.
Speaker 1: So when you see things like the pyramids at Giza,
Speaker 1: or Stonehenge, or any number of ancient structures, you have
Speaker 1: to remember you're seeing a very small percentage of what
Speaker 1: was a thriving world. And these things now do not
Speaker 1: look anything like they did in their heyday. You're looking
Speaker 1: at remnants, right, some in better condition than others. And
Speaker 1: when you look at these remnants, if you were like
Speaker 1: countless people throughout the millennia, you have tried to understand
Speaker 1: who would have gone to all that trouble and why why?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, there were grocery stores living,
Speaker 1: just surviving, not even thriving, was a full time job.
Speaker 1: And so you look at these structures and you you
Speaker 1: have to think, I mean, it's weird and as weird
Speaker 1: and petty as it sounds, you have to think, how
Speaker 1: did they schedule this? Like, how did they cooperate? How
Speaker 1: many people did this take? What did they use right?
Speaker 1: What could have what could have motivated someone so much
Speaker 1: so that they would have cooperated with hundreds or even thousands,
Speaker 1: thousands of other people to build something like this, knowing
Speaker 1: that every minute they were doing that, they weren't out hunting, gathering,
Speaker 1: rearing children, all all the hits, you know. Besides, I
Speaker 1: guess the I don't know kind of easy answer of
Speaker 1: they were forced to do it by somebody who said,
Speaker 1: I'll kill you if you don't build this temple, which
Speaker 1: seems to be kind of common in the past. Yeah,
Speaker 1: help us build this monument to our odd who has
Speaker 1: revealed this construction in a dream to me. Yeah cool,
Speaker 1: that's a good story, man. But I don't believe in
Speaker 1: your God. Then build it or I will kill you. Yes,
Speaker 1: Is that easier for you? Yeah, I'm now newly converted. Right,
Speaker 1: we need to make this monument in the hero and now, well,
Speaker 1: I don't care about the hero it now then see me,
Speaker 1: I am here, I am now. I gotta stop rereading
Speaker 1: Black Monday murders. It's sad. I'm like, I'm subscribed to
Speaker 1: forms to let me know the latest news when the
Speaker 1: issues coming, Well you just you let me know, and
Speaker 1: then I'm getting going to that's delegation. Yeah. So so,
Speaker 1: but now we're talking about these stories, right, and it's
Speaker 1: very understandable thing. You know, despite all the rumors about
Speaker 1: places like Stonehenge or the Pyramids or what has been
Speaker 1: called by a few Adams calendar, we can confirm the
Speaker 1: most important part these things are old. That bird is true.
Speaker 1: These are all very very old. Yes. In the case
Speaker 1: of the Pyramids of Giza. We're talking about a construction
Speaker 1: period somewhere between two thousand, five hundred and fifty years
Speaker 1: BC to two thousand, four hundred and ninety years BC.
Speaker 1: And just remember those numbers do count down because you're
Speaker 1: counting backwards to zero, which then goes into the common era.
Speaker 1: Interesting stuff. Yeah right, it's tricky too, And so Stonehenge
Speaker 1: would weigh in somewhere with a construction period of somewhere
Speaker 1: between three thousand BC to twenty five hundred BC. Still
Speaker 1: both very very old, and like you said, Matt, accounts down.
Speaker 1: But you've heard of these structures before. You may have
Speaker 1: even seen videos or heard podcast episodes on these that
Speaker 1: we have recorded, may have even seen Ancient Aliens episodes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we've made no secret that there are some serious
Speaker 1: problems with a lot of ancient alien theories, not all,
Speaker 1: and we're not saying that they're made in bad faith
Speaker 1: or the people who do it are drifters or anything
Speaker 1: like that, but there are a lot of assumptions in
Speaker 1: those and personally, I feel like it's safe to say
Speaker 1: on our show we would prefer History Channel lean into
Speaker 1: explaining some of the problems, some of the plot holes
Speaker 1: in those stories or you know, just history in general
Speaker 1: or just history in general. Yeah, which is not a
Speaker 1: static thing. It is a conversation. It is also, to
Speaker 1: a high degree malleable. And the people who control the
Speaker 1: past control the present and therefore the future. Yeah. So okay,
Speaker 1: so you know about stone innge folks. We know about
Speaker 1: the pyramids. They're awesome. A lot of the more breathless
Speaker 1: claims about them, of course, have not been proven, but
Speaker 1: a lot of serious questions remain about the motivation to
Speaker 1: build them, some of the methods used, etc. And you
Speaker 1: can see some great research on these right now, like,
Speaker 1: if you've got some time to kill, go find go
Speaker 1: find people reconstructing the ancient means folks used to make
Speaker 1: megalithic structures, right or Dolman or whatever. And today's show
Speaker 1: is thematically related to that, because those are the most
Speaker 1: well known examples. But Adam's calendar Matt is not something
Speaker 1: that a lot of people have heard about. I think, no,
Speaker 1: it is not. And let's just get this out of
Speaker 1: the way. When we say Adam, we're not talking about
Speaker 1: your friend you grew up with and went to elementary
Speaker 1: school with. No, we're talking about Adam from Adam and Eve.
Speaker 1: The biblical story of the first man pre belly button
Speaker 1: guy that Adam, the fig leaves and the shame, and
Speaker 1: a complicated relationship with snakes, that and his kids and
Speaker 1: his partner. It's just a lot of layers to Adam.
Speaker 1: And so apparently he had this calendar or it was
Speaker 1: there's someone who named this site in modern day South
Speaker 1: Africa Adams Calendar. It's remote. It is not something that
Speaker 1: you can just easily immediately visit from the Johannesburg airport,
Speaker 1: but there is definitely something there. If you go to
Speaker 1: the Mumpumlanga province in South Africa, then you will see
Speaker 1: that this site is not protected by an electric fence,
Speaker 1: by high security, nor a government nor a corporation. It's
Speaker 1: just out there on one side of a valley, near
Speaker 1: the ancient side of a river. And if you're in
Speaker 1: the area, you can go visit it, but you're going
Speaker 1: to want to plan your trip. Yeah, there is. I
Speaker 1: did find a small place you can rent. There's a
Speaker 1: house I think pretty close to it, just a couple
Speaker 1: of roads over found. I found that. I'm looking into it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm on board. I'm on board. Look, I'll keep track
Speaker 1: of that comic book we like, And could you just
Speaker 1: produce the Trip to South Africa? Easy? Got it right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna rope any Reese into it because I know
Speaker 1: she's been there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And that's
Speaker 1: Annie Reese, our dear friend from Sminty and from the
Speaker 1: Savor podcast, both of which are great. Do people know
Speaker 1: what Sminty is? Stuff? Mom never told you? Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: we're doing jargon just like colts. We're doing acronyms just
Speaker 1: like governments. Stuff. Mom never told you. Yes, And shout
Speaker 1: out to the creator, Christine Togger. And so Nat, let's
Speaker 1: talk about Adams count. Let's use the name Adam's Calendar
Speaker 1: for now, because that's how you and I initially learned
Speaker 1: about it. How old is Adam's Calendar? How does it
Speaker 1: stack up in comparison to the Pyramids or in comparison
Speaker 1: to Stonehenge. Well, it really really depends on where you
Speaker 1: look online and on whose research those numbers are based,
Speaker 1: because you can find some people claiming that it's only
Speaker 1: about five hundred years old. Some people say it's a couple,
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen hundred, couple thousand years old, Others saying
Speaker 1: it's around seventy five thousand years old. Seventy five thousand
Speaker 1: years old, this would put it well before the Pyramids,
Speaker 1: well before the world's favorite hinge. First glance, you know,
Speaker 1: to the untrained eye or even the academic eye. Honestly,
Speaker 1: if you're just looking at it for the first time,
Speaker 1: you can confirm it looks ancient. We found some great
Speaker 1: descriptions of it from an outfit called the Heritage Portal
Speaker 1: in an article written by Peter Dulias, Tim Mags and
Speaker 1: Alex Schumann, and it was thinking maybe we lean on
Speaker 1: them a little bit to describe the site, because they
Speaker 1: paint a beautiful picture of how you get to the
Speaker 1: countryside in a pretty rural area. You know it maybe
Speaker 1: suburban in a few decades, but right now it's pretty rural,
Speaker 1: and you'll hit a vista and you start to see
Speaker 1: in the distance something breaking up that pastoral low sweep
Speaker 1: of the valley. Oh. Yes. In this book they describe
Speaker 1: driving through Mapamlonga looking out, as you said, Ben, and
Speaker 1: seeing something remarkable. That's how they put it. You'll see
Speaker 1: fragments both large and small, of buildings in stone or
Speaker 1: like parts of buildings. Right they're near the sides of
Speaker 1: the road. They're further away up in the hills, down
Speaker 1: in the valleys below, but you're starting to see them
Speaker 1: everywhere you look. Right, It's not just one thing. It's
Speaker 1: not one old building or something. There are no roofs,
Speaker 1: there are no clear you know, entry ways or windows
Speaker 1: of course by this point in history, so you might
Speaker 1: not immediately think these are dwellings, but you can tell
Speaker 1: those rocks didn't just happen naturally. Somebody made them exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give you a little further quote here, Ben,
Speaker 1: because they describe them as endless stone circles set in
Speaker 1: bewildering mazes and linked by longstone passages that cover the
Speaker 1: landscape below. And that, to me is just that picture
Speaker 1: in my mind, circles attached through some kind of maybe roads,
Speaker 1: maybe some kind of At some point it was a
Speaker 1: there was a dome to those walkways or something like.
Speaker 1: Why was all that stuff? Without knowing anything, my mind
Speaker 1: starts to just travel off into all the different possibilities
Speaker 1: right right. And this is the time when you start
Speaker 1: reading the primary sources and the scholarly papers and realizing
Speaker 1: how much terminology you have forgotten from school days. At
Speaker 1: least that's the case. I think many of us find
Speaker 1: ourselves in. These folks also note something really important. The
Speaker 1: site is huge, and when you're dealing with things on
Speaker 1: that scale, if you're just standing on the ground, regardless
Speaker 1: of your height as an individual, you're going to have
Speaker 1: a tough time grasping the entirety of the structure. Right.
Speaker 1: That's why they say, That's why they imply you need
Speaker 1: to get a bird's eye view. If you study the
Speaker 1: views provided by Google Earth. They see you can you
Speaker 1: can see it here, which we've confirmed you can. You
Speaker 1: can get a sense of the heartland of this world.
Speaker 1: And they talk about how these structures enact over ten
Speaker 1: thousand square kilometers of the Pomologa Escarpment into again a
Speaker 1: very complex, very sophisticated web of stone walls what appear
Speaker 1: to have been at least partially stone buildings. How big
Speaker 1: is this thing because it feels like, you know, when
Speaker 1: you hear about other ancient megalithic structures like Stonehenge. Stonehenge
Speaker 1: is something with a road you can drive by it, right,
Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of a specific, discrete site. There's
Speaker 1: just the one thing called Stonehenge. Yes, there's not six
Speaker 1: or seven stonehenges, but we do know the currectly if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong here, Ben, I think as a part of Stonehenge,
Speaker 1: there are several other nearby sites that are just a
Speaker 1: distance away. There's nothing connecting them. And yes, there's some
Speaker 1: kind of similarity here where there's a great distance between
Speaker 1: some of these what do the stone structures with the
Speaker 1: walls and the things we're describing there, there's some place
Speaker 1: where it's just so far away from the next one,
Speaker 1: and then others where it just seems like they were
Speaker 1: all built right together. So yes, Sorr, I'm getting a
Speaker 1: little distracted here, Ben. The entirety of all those structures,
Speaker 1: if you're driving through it is said to run one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty clicks north to south and about fifty
Speaker 1: kilometers wide. Ben, remind us what a click is. Click
Speaker 1: is a kilometer. It's what we it's what we do,
Speaker 1: so we don't feel like we're saying kilometer too often.
Speaker 1: And it sounds cool, right Like. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anybody grew up with military in your family, but whomember
Speaker 1: it was that was an older figure in your family
Speaker 1: who was in the military, If they ever describe something
Speaker 1: in terms of clicks. It just sounded so cool, right.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you what I thought it was when
Speaker 1: I was growing up. You know, when you watch radar
Speaker 1: go around in like an eighties movie or seventy you know,
Speaker 1: just older movies, like the radar going around in a circle,
Speaker 1: I always thought it was one move over on the radar. So, like,
Speaker 1: whatever that distance is for the standard for a radar,
Speaker 1: I thought that's what a click was. I'm not smart.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's you know what. Let's just start let's
Speaker 1: start describing things in clicks, but not as kilometers. Okay, cool,
Speaker 1: let's just never explain it. But but yeah, you raise
Speaker 1: a great point here, because that site, you know, one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty kilometers or like ninety three something miles
Speaker 1: or whatever. This is huge, and Adam's calendar exists within
Speaker 1: that structure. However, however defined, it's on one side of
Speaker 1: a steep valley by a river, and that placement makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense because historically humans have always sought
Speaker 1: to live by sources of water. It's a great way
Speaker 1: to get sustenance, it's great for trade routes, especially in
Speaker 1: earlier eras, and you know, honestly, just rivers look nice.
Speaker 1: Living by a body of water when the weather is
Speaker 1: on your side, it can be really relaxing. You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And let's tell people the name of that river. It's
Speaker 1: the Blowbush Crawl River and that's what all of these
Speaker 1: stone ruins are named after her. So the Blowbush Crawl
Speaker 1: stone Ruins. And this is how you spell it. If
Speaker 1: you want to look it up b L A A
Speaker 1: U b O s h k R A A L
Speaker 1: you can find it. And you can even find it
Speaker 1: on Google Maps and look at a bird's eye view
Speaker 1: of this thing. I would highly recommend Google Earth because
Speaker 1: you can really scan across the area pretty effectively and
Speaker 1: look at what you can see these on the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you absolutely can, and it's worth checking out. You know,
Speaker 1: Google isn't perfect, but Google Earth is just a fascinating
Speaker 1: piece of software and it shows you how far how
Speaker 1: far surveillance has come. Like try that street view or
Speaker 1: try that game where you just tried you attempt you
Speaker 1: get a random picture from street view and you attempt
Speaker 1: to guess where it is in the world. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: some people are really good at that. I've seen I've
Speaker 1: seen some YouTube bids. I just really just hover over
Speaker 1: a groom lake for way too long, just kind of
Speaker 1: look around, keep it and refresh just in case. So
Speaker 1: we are going to pause for word from our sponsors
Speaker 1: and a little bit of refreshment, and then we're going
Speaker 1: to get back to Adam's Calendar and the many other
Speaker 1: names it has, and we're going to try to separate
Speaker 1: some fact from fiction. And we've returned. So this site
Speaker 1: has garnered a lot of attention in recent decades. I
Speaker 1: think we can skip the idea of what it was
Speaker 1: quote unquote discovered, because truthfully, a lot of times when
Speaker 1: you hear about something being discovered, it means it was
Speaker 1: the first time that someone not in the local community
Speaker 1: came across it. Right, you're absolutely correct, But can we
Speaker 1: talk about how that person feels like they discovered it
Speaker 1: or thinks they discovered it? Yeah, that's a good covey. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go with that, because we're talking about looking at
Speaker 1: this stuff from a satellite view, right and being able
Speaker 1: to get the scope. But when you're driving through it's
Speaker 1: kind of hard even at first to tell if you're
Speaker 1: actually seeing stone sites that are all connected together or
Speaker 1: are they all separate or what is that stuff? But
Speaker 1: if you can see it from above, like the two
Speaker 1: people were about to talk about, did they put it
Speaker 1: together and felt like they discovered something new, something hidden? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And these folks might be called fringe researchers by some
Speaker 1: and they're part of the very out there claims you
Speaker 1: might hear about who built these ruins and why. And
Speaker 1: I think the most well known of those claims come
Speaker 1: from a guy named Michael Tellinger, who is a politician
Speaker 1: and author in South Africa who co wrote a book
Speaker 1: about this that kind of functions as the primary source
Speaker 1: for a lot of people who believe there's something far
Speaker 1: out of the ordinary about this site, something extremely special. Right,
Speaker 1: it has more meaning to it than meets the eye. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's like almost code in how the stones are laid out.
Speaker 1: This person, Michael Tellinger, he worked with Johann Heen, I
Speaker 1: think is how you would say it H E, I
Speaker 1: N E. And these guys just well, I guess we
Speaker 1: can just say what it is, but let's preface it
Speaker 1: with their ideas appear to be very closely based on
Speaker 1: the concepts put forward by Zechariah's stitching. The concepts that
Speaker 1: were kind of alluding to at the beginning here that
Speaker 1: aliens or extraterrestrials may have had some involvement in ancient civilizations,
Speaker 1: including whoever it was that built this Adam's calendar structure. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this will be familiar to anybody read books like Chariot
Speaker 1: of the Gods by Eric van danikin Twelfth Planet, Twelfth Planet,
Speaker 1: the planet beyond Neptune, Neberu, and so on. Yeah. Zecharia
Speaker 1: Stitchen is of that of that school of thought, and
Speaker 1: in his case, he if I recall it right correctly.
Speaker 1: One of his big platforms, or one of the big
Speaker 1: planks of his platform, is the idea that ancient human
Speaker 1: Sumerian culture was created by a non human intelligence or
Speaker 1: inspired by a non human intelligence, which are now the
Speaker 1: legendary Anunaki, right and Nephelim and so on, and that
Speaker 1: they actually come from a planet beyond Neptune, which would
Speaker 1: be Nimburau. There you go, and Nibrew's coming back. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, it's always coming back because it's because of
Speaker 1: its multi thousand year orbit around the Sun. Stitching, by
Speaker 1: the way, is very well known in his space. Before
Speaker 1: his death in twenty ten, he sold millions and millions
Speaker 1: of copies of His work translated into multiple languages and
Speaker 1: inspired a lot of people, and so some Intellinger's skeptics
Speaker 1: will say that Stitching also heavily inspired him. Tellinger's book
Speaker 1: claims that the ruins are actually three hundred thousand years old,
Speaker 1: which would make much much older than anything I did.
Speaker 1: I didn't, Ben, I just have to tell you in
Speaker 1: what I was like, Yeah, I didn't even see that number.
Speaker 1: I saw. I think one hundred and sixty as the
Speaker 1: maximum that was reported. I guess where I was looking.
Speaker 1: Three hundred thousand years Well, then that might be another
Speaker 1: story people are telling, right, the specifics change and yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what again, we have to be careful about
Speaker 1: that psychological phenomenon anchoring, because you hear a wild number
Speaker 1: like three hundred thousand years old, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you start to think, oh, the Pyramids and Stonehenge
Speaker 1: aren't that impressive. They very much are. There's still those things.
Speaker 1: They're still also really really old, but probably beyond the
Speaker 1: scale of human imagining right to really grasp that span
Speaker 1: of time. So let's not dunk on, let's not dunk
Speaker 1: on our previously popular ancient sites. Well, because this one's
Speaker 1: just supposedly might be three hundred thousand years old, according
Speaker 1: to these authors. Right, just so. And these authors and
Speaker 1: other people who agree with them have also claimed to
Speaker 1: have found the motivation for building this stuff, the purpose
Speaker 1: behind it, which, as we established, is like the big
Speaker 1: question why go to all this trouble in their mind.
Speaker 1: It's a multifunctional thing. It is an ancient calendar, but
Speaker 1: not just that, yes, not just that at all. It's
Speaker 1: an ancient calendar that looks at things like equinoxes and solstices,
Speaker 1: and it's able to use it the shadows of the
Speaker 1: sun to determine all that stuff. And it's also aligned
Speaker 1: to based on O'Ryan up above. It's also based there
Speaker 1: are several other things that made it super special, this
Speaker 1: true north south, true west east, and there are a
Speaker 1: couple other alignments that you make it a calendar and
Speaker 1: a clock and a bunch of other things. But they're
Speaker 1: also saying it's connected in some way to lay lines,
Speaker 1: or is it lay lines, or is it just some
Speaker 1: other type of line that spans across the earth that
Speaker 1: does connect to ancient sites like the Pyramids of Giza
Speaker 1: and other old places. Right, it's if not lay lines,
Speaker 1: it's a very similar argument to lay lines, right, that
Speaker 1: there's a larger structure that ancient humans either created or
Speaker 1: learned to use, right the same way that ancient societies
Speaker 1: learn to use rivers for trade. So the other big
Speaker 1: thing in addition to aliens that people find controversial is
Speaker 1: the idea that Adams Calendar in particular and the site
Speaker 1: overall served as part of a kind of Eldridge power grid,
Speaker 1: a big network across southern Africa that somehow harnessed and
Speaker 1: channeled power way before humanity first learned to use electricity.
Speaker 1: WHOA how cool would that be? If that was wrong?
Speaker 1: That would be amazing. Like, look, I'll give you a story.
Speaker 1: What if Earth is a machine? Right? We think it's
Speaker 1: got this mantle and this crust and this core and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. What it's a machine, I'll moonfall And
Speaker 1: the nature of this machine as you get outwards towards
Speaker 1: the crust of it, the place that's organic, you've actually
Speaker 1: got these like ridges that go all the way around
Speaker 1: the Earth. I'm trying to imagine something that it would
Speaker 1: look like a ridge, like imagine a ball. But then
Speaker 1: it's got these ridges that go out about an inch
Speaker 1: and on each of those ridges that go around. You could,
Speaker 1: you know, put something in the ground and you got power. Baby,
Speaker 1: but you got to be on the ridge. Okay, too
Speaker 1: out there? Sorry, No, no, I like it because because
Speaker 1: you know that's oh and it's done, Ben, It's done
Speaker 1: because the creators of the Earth who made that machine,
Speaker 1: they knew they had to limit the number of human
Speaker 1: beings they were on the planet, right right, so they
Speaker 1: would only exist around those ridges, and then nature would
Speaker 1: be able to grow in between them. Baby. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: this is a watertight theory. Oh it is. What can
Speaker 1: I say? You can submerge it. I feel like you've
Speaker 1: nailed it. I feel like you figured it out. And
Speaker 1: if we can just confirm even a piece of that,
Speaker 1: then it is. Yeah. Yeah, it would make it the
Speaker 1: most important site in human history. So is it true?
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. No, no, now not the no,
Speaker 1: Matt's theory has not yet been fully investigated. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to. We have to do a lot more
Speaker 1: due diligence and get our hands around the globe and
Speaker 1: you know, start digging into the planet. Various plays. I say,
Speaker 1: we do it. But if you're talking about just Tallenger's ideas,
Speaker 1: then you're going to quickly run into a problem. The
Speaker 1: research on this and I'm trying to be diplomatic here,
Speaker 1: the research on the site is a house divided. There
Speaker 1: are two camps. One group, like Tallenger, makes a lot
Speaker 1: of claims that are pretty difficult to verify. And on
Speaker 1: the other side you have a ton of historians and
Speaker 1: archaeologists local and from across the globe who have a
Speaker 1: much different narrative. And there's right now seems to be
Speaker 1: supported by the bulk of the objective evidence. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: should be pointed out that you can find it all
Speaker 1: everywhere online. Allegedly, Tallenger hired some amateur to give him
Speaker 1: a date about how old this structure was, and that's
Speaker 1: where the original age of the structure came from, which
Speaker 1: was stated as seventy five thousand years. Yeah, exactly. And
Speaker 1: experts in the in the academic camp believe they also
Speaker 1: knew who built this structure, the Baconi civilization boko in I. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's not just Adams Kelenard. That's the entirety of
Speaker 1: those blow Bush crawl ruins. There were one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty cliques north and south then fifty kilometers wide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they believe that it was created in a series of
Speaker 1: phases in the sixteenth century, and a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of the current conjecture argues that these structures were
Speaker 1: either built as a way to keep cattle like cattle enclosures,
Speaker 1: or a way to mark out various territorial boundaries. We
Speaker 1: do know it's it's a pretty complex structure from what
Speaker 1: we can tell. And look, it's also quite possible that
Speaker 1: a few aliens may have decided to play cowboy, right
Speaker 1: maybe but maybe, But if they did, they left no
Speaker 1: record of anything other than human activity there. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also thought that some of the stones that exist
Speaker 1: there that kind of resemble roads may have been terraced
Speaker 1: structure like terrace where you could either plant something or
Speaker 1: keep smaller animals within, like the certain area. There's a
Speaker 1: really great research that's been done into this thing, and
Speaker 1: it shows a pretty robust life for people who were
Speaker 1: living out there in large numbers sure pastoral agricultural communities.
Speaker 1: They had thriving industries, and they were connected to larger
Speaker 1: networks of completely different communities, and they most likely did
Speaker 1: use that river as a way of engaging in trade.
Speaker 1: The site itself seems to be built in three rough phases,
Speaker 1: and the phases of construction tell a story over time.
Speaker 1: In the third phase, it seemed that things have been
Speaker 1: escalating for a while. Rival communities appear to have invaded
Speaker 1: what was traditionally the land of the Boconi, and instability
Speaker 1: across the region was pushing these groups into territory, right
Speaker 1: into competition for all the resources you could imagine. So
Speaker 1: the Buconi are believed to have responded by building something
Speaker 1: that a few scholars have called the equivalent of refugee settlements.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And it's not like they were temporary,
Speaker 1: like you know, it was an invading army that came
Speaker 1: in over the course of a week or something like that.
Speaker 1: They built these structures to last a long time, as
Speaker 1: in the leaders at least saw an ongoing problem that
Speaker 1: needed to be addressed. And this is one of the answers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the mcconey were an advanced, sophisticated group. They definitely knew
Speaker 1: what they were doing when they were constructing this stuff.
Speaker 1: And again, they were regional players, particularly in the food
Speaker 1: industry of the day. You could say they function kind
Speaker 1: of as a regional breadbasket. And it seems that they
Speaker 1: quite likely traded agricultural products for other goods, or even
Speaker 1: luxuries like ivory, you know, the stuff they didn't have.
Speaker 1: Similar to our conversations about Ukraine. Yeah right, there's always
Speaker 1: conflict Ultimately, I'm just gonna say it again, does come
Speaker 1: down to resources. The window dressing might change, the brand
Speaker 1: name might change, but if you open the box and
Speaker 1: look inside, the conflicts are about who gets what material
Speaker 1: And look, history is closer than it appears in the
Speaker 1: rear view mirror. The BACONI seem to have used these
Speaker 1: structures all the way up into the eighteen thirties, which
Speaker 1: is a long time for groups of people to live
Speaker 1: in a single place, and they were abandoned during this
Speaker 1: wave of catastrophic warfare and subsequent migration. So aside from
Speaker 1: the house you mentioned, Matt and some other buildings in
Speaker 1: a nearby town, people aren't living on this site today.
Speaker 1: So that also makes it easier if you come along
Speaker 1: in recent decades. That also makes it easier to kind
Speaker 1: of put your own meaning on the site, right, to
Speaker 1: lend your own spin in perspective, because it's not like
Speaker 1: somebody's going to walk out of there and say, what
Speaker 1: are you doing in my yard? Those people are long gone,
Speaker 1: but still eighteen thirties, very very recent. And these things
Speaker 1: are definitely old. But are they I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so either. And we
Speaker 1: should just point this out to a lot of the
Speaker 1: recent interest in this or even let's say the most
Speaker 1: fervent interest in this site only starts around nineteen, like
Speaker 1: late nineteen forties, post World War Two. That's when a
Speaker 1: lot of that's when a lot of historians, archaeologists are
Speaker 1: actually looking at this place, taking data, doing the hard
Speaker 1: science or doing the hard science that lends to the
Speaker 1: social science of you know, trying to understand what people's
Speaker 1: were here and why. Right, Yeah, agreed, And at this point,
Speaker 1: none of those folks have found any hard proof that
Speaker 1: extraterrestrials participated in this construction. What it seems to what
Speaker 1: it seems to be is ingenious human communities leveraging the knowledge,
Speaker 1: the experience, and the tools they had access to at
Speaker 1: the time to try to further ensure stability for their community. Right.
Speaker 1: And we see that some of this construction can be
Speaker 1: thought of as reaction to other pressures social pressures, resource pressures, etc.
Speaker 1: But the more strange claims, even the name Adam's calendar.
Speaker 1: The stuff it's based on is incredibly difficult to prove.
Speaker 1: And that's not saying we know everything about these ruins.
Speaker 1: That's just saying that of the stuff we can prove
Speaker 1: at the time, it seems pretty clear that one camp,
Speaker 1: the archaeologist, they seem to have the most supporting evidence
Speaker 1: on their side. Now, if that changes, of course, we're
Speaker 1: going to be first to the mat as soon as
Speaker 1: we can with an apology, which would be an exuberant
Speaker 1: apology on our behalf, because we always wanted something like
Speaker 1: this to happen. But I want to believe man. But
Speaker 1: we don't want to end it quite there. We're going
Speaker 1: to pause for a word from our sponsors and will
Speaker 1: return with some pretty great, amazing news and news that
Speaker 1: continues in the modern day. All Right, we're back, Matt.
Speaker 1: We talked off air. We didn't want this to end
Speaker 1: in a total downer and feel like we're just debunking everything.
Speaker 1: These ruins are amazing. They are They are human built,
Speaker 1: and even that fact is astonishing. The stuff people were
Speaker 1: capable of when motivated. Think about it right now, if
Speaker 1: you wanted to go out and build a structure out
Speaker 1: of stone, that is going to house you and your
Speaker 1: family and all the cattle you're keeping, because you know,
Speaker 1: you need food and milk and cheese and things like that. Cos, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta have a place where you can plant all
Speaker 1: your food viably. H you know, build something like that,
Speaker 1: Build like move a bunch of stones, really heavy stones,
Speaker 1: as you know, your base. And then even let's say
Speaker 1: you wanted to create something that might even be some
Speaker 1: kind of religious structure out of these big stones, how
Speaker 1: are you going to do it? Right now? How are
Speaker 1: you gonna do it? I couldn't. How are you going
Speaker 1: to do it with you know what? For this thought experiment?
Speaker 1: With access to all the information you have? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: got everything you need, even you got your phone in
Speaker 1: your hand. Are you still think you could do it?
Speaker 1: I don't know? You know what? And you can ask
Speaker 1: friends for help. M don't threaten anyone with pain of death,
Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, don't force them to do anything.
Speaker 1: But this, what we're saying is it's really yeah, it's
Speaker 1: really tough. And this becomes even and more fascinating when
Speaker 1: we realize that these things are far from the only examples.
Speaker 1: There are genuinely mysterious ancient structures built to huge scales,
Speaker 1: and some of them are so old that humanity is
Speaker 1: still not exactly sure when they were built. Just for
Speaker 1: the sake of time, let's let's look at Turkey. Turkey
Speaker 1: has great examples, Mesoamerica has great examples. The African continent,
Speaker 1: of course, there are so many amazing old things. Some
Speaker 1: of the oldest are places like bon Kuklu Tarla and
Speaker 1: pardon us not native Turkish speakers or go Beckley tepe.
Speaker 1: That's that's how I always hear him say it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about, and so we'll say go Beckley, and local
Speaker 1: archaeologists estimate this Bonkuklu Tarla region may be as much
Speaker 1: as twelve thousand years old. Incredibly impressive. Yeah, it is, well.
Speaker 1: And that's why when you're maybe first introduced to the
Speaker 1: ancient aliens concept and someone walks you through the construction
Speaker 1: of these things, the intricacies of the stone work often
Speaker 1: stuff that you can't figure out really on the top
Speaker 1: of your head unless you know you're a master stone worker,
Speaker 1: or something like how could you have done that? And
Speaker 1: even if you're a master stone worker, posing the question
Speaker 1: how could you have done that twelve thousand years ago?
Speaker 1: It seems to be as difficult as we've been describing
Speaker 1: making one of these things in the modern day, right,
Speaker 1: it would be super difficult. Then it moves too nearly impossible,
Speaker 1: if not fully impossible to do twelve thousand years ago.
Speaker 1: And that's where the ancient aliens thing just goes, Oh yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: totally is lasers. And then you see the stories start
Speaker 1: to split, or the speculation diverges with various concepts or
Speaker 1: theories about why these architects are no longer around today
Speaker 1: or acknowledged to be around, you know, and there's a
Speaker 1: wide variety here. They're not all these theories agree with
Speaker 1: each other, No, absolutely, absolutely. I just wanted to point
Speaker 1: out that concept of like why your brain goes to
Speaker 1: ancient alien theory and like starts to understand it and
Speaker 1: get excited about it. It really does undercut just the
Speaker 1: skill and intelligence of human beings that lived then in
Speaker 1: those areas, right, And we just you gotta you kind
Speaker 1: of remember that when you when your mind takes you
Speaker 1: to that, oh fully lasers, you just remember it, right,
Speaker 1: Because then the other question is why why did so
Speaker 1: many buildings today not live up to those standards, right.
Speaker 1: But again, what we're seeing or the remnants we're seeing,
Speaker 1: the things that survived thousands of ye just we could
Speaker 1: talk about them and go Beckley is something we covered
Speaker 1: in previous episodes. It's incredibly befuddling today. Believed to have
Speaker 1: been built somewhere between seventy five hundred to one thousand BC.
Speaker 1: This means these structures date back to the Southwest Asian
Speaker 1: Neolithic period. As you can imagine, they are themselves subjects
Speaker 1: of numerous, numerous out their theories, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: to a degree, you have to make theories about this
Speaker 1: stuff because you have to figure out the best way
Speaker 1: to research it and just have to be okay when
Speaker 1: those theories need to be revised. These things are the
Speaker 1: stories about these things rather are everything from last civilizations
Speaker 1: that one's true people have last civilizations in the past,
Speaker 1: to anjient aliens that one not so much, to sophisticated
Speaker 1: temple structures for some kind of now forgotten religion that
Speaker 1: one remains unclear. People are still arguing about the temple
Speaker 1: thing now, well, it could be there's some researchers who
Speaker 1: believed it was influenced from ancient Indian cultures that came
Speaker 1: into Southern Africa, and then it was actually their religious
Speaker 1: influence that caused all of these stone structures, specifically in
Speaker 1: the area of Adams Calendar and all of those structures.
Speaker 1: Like there are people who believe that and have written
Speaker 1: about that, which it I can't I can't tell you
Speaker 1: if it's true or not, but it doesn't appear to
Speaker 1: be as plausible as some of the other concepts, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we almost have to measure the daisy chain of if
Speaker 1: then's right or the what ifs, and see how far
Speaker 1: those branches go and how sturdy they remain when you
Speaker 1: get really out to the edges look just like the
Speaker 1: Adams Calendar site. These sites in Turkey are not guarded
Speaker 1: by top secret cadres. There aren't UFOs currently in the
Speaker 1: sky right now saying I hope no one figures this out.
Speaker 1: Go Beckley is UNESCO World Heritage Site, and it has
Speaker 1: been once since twenty eighteen, which still very recently and
Speaker 1: has of twenty twenty one, one of the most recent
Speaker 1: estimates we could find on the site. In particular, all
Speaker 1: the experts agree that they have excavated less than five
Speaker 1: percent of that site. Wow, what else can be down there?
Speaker 1: We genuinely do not know, we being current civilization, And
Speaker 1: that's where we end the episode. We don't know neither
Speaker 1: to you, and you'll never find out. Buy No, I'm
Speaker 1: just true. Well, well there will be stuff to find out, right,
Speaker 1: because they're almost certainly more ancient sites out there waiting
Speaker 1: for humanity to discover what they're certainly human ancestors built
Speaker 1: all those millennia ago. Again, history is still happening. You
Speaker 1: can go to found a neat little article on this
Speaker 1: for the travel dot Com by Joshua I. Do And
Speaker 1: in this the author list out a bunch of new discoveries,
Speaker 1: some that are brand new places, some of their discoveries
Speaker 1: of on sites that have already been well known to
Speaker 1: humanity for a long time, like there's still news coming
Speaker 1: out about POMPEII all this time after that tragic eruption.
Speaker 1: People are still digging in there and going, oh, holy smokes. Well, though,
Speaker 1: the one that's linked in this, at least that I'm seeing,
Speaker 1: been It's number seventeen on the list, and it is
Speaker 1: titled Golden City and lux Or, Egypt. It was buried
Speaker 1: under sand. It's three thousand years old. They got a
Speaker 1: lot of sand in Egypt. Also that slang, isn't it
Speaker 1: when you say someone's got a lot of sand, You've
Speaker 1: got a lot of sand coming in here? That is no.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it might be the I think
Speaker 1: it might be on down to the intonation. Okay, but
Speaker 1: it does sound like, you know, you've got some nerve.
Speaker 1: You got a lot of sand, they said at the Pyramids,
Speaker 1: So so yeah. You can also see Roman shipwrecks are
Speaker 1: being discovered there. We learn more about the menu of
Speaker 1: a restaurant in ancient Pompeii. This stuff is fascinating. There's
Speaker 1: news about the Dead Sea scrolls. What we're saying is
Speaker 1: this is a great time to be alive for any
Speaker 1: anybody who wants to learn more about the ancient past.
Speaker 1: There are still questions out there to be answered, and
Speaker 1: there are absolutely absolutely right now lost ancient structures that
Speaker 1: will likely be found within your lifetime as you listen
Speaker 1: to this show. And that's where we want your help, folks.
Speaker 1: What do you think what other ancient sites are out there?
Speaker 1: How can we best separate rumors about them store worries
Speaker 1: that people have embellished in the Great Game of Telephone?
Speaker 1: How can we separate that from the facts, and what
Speaker 1: can those facts tell us about the modern day? I
Speaker 1: want to know the strangest modern structure in your local
Speaker 1: area that you think is going to befuddle historians and
Speaker 1: archaeologists in the future. Does that make sense? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to I would like to know that too, and
Speaker 1: we want pictures. Yeah, yeah, it always I think I
Speaker 1: mentioned this on air before, but I always think about
Speaker 1: that in cities. There's an example, right, You're driving through
Speaker 1: a city and you see all the bridges and roads
Speaker 1: where interstates connect. Here in Atlanta, there's a place called
Speaker 1: Spaghetti Junction. It's a fun name, and it's just the
Speaker 1: series of all these bridges crossing over. And whenever I
Speaker 1: see stuff like that, I always like to think the
Speaker 1: future historians. I just picture them walking around. Maybe they're robots,
Speaker 1: maybe they're aliens, maybe the humanity two point zero. They're
Speaker 1: they're walking around and they're saying they're looking at the
Speaker 1: remnants of skyscrapers and overpasses, and they're going we don't
Speaker 1: know much about these mysterious penis worshiping primitives, but we
Speaker 1: do know they made structures to their gods, and they
Speaker 1: were likely sustaining themselves based on a sophisticated network of
Speaker 1: aqueducts which go throughout this site, even directly to what
Speaker 1: we believe were their dwellings. Woa. Yeah, and that's how
Speaker 1: roads work. But now they're just they're pinching it as
Speaker 1: an aqueduct. So stuff like that, right, is that on
Speaker 1: the money? Yeah? Is it Chicago that has that big silvery,
Speaker 1: weird bean looking thing? That's yeah, Like what what are
Speaker 1: people going to think? That is? That's why religion is
Speaker 1: so often the easiest explanation the being. People of the
Speaker 1: early of the early Anthroposine would be known for their
Speaker 1: intense neo agricultural belief system. Oh yes, So take your
Speaker 1: pictures and you know, come up with your your theory
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