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episode 4: Vigilante Quandary


After a start as smooth as butter, the expert podcasters (Dan, Ethan, Hammond, and Jack) continued on to tackle vigilante justice. Points discussed include:

  • What is a vigilante? Is vigilantism ever appropriate?
  • Vigilante justice vs full revolution.
  • The odd coincidence of lopsided justice in a politicized atmosphere.
  • Biblical example of vigilantism – Simeon and Levi kill the men of Shechem.
  • Honesty in justice as apposed to deceit.
  • Biblical example v2 – Absalom kills Amnon. The cheese gets a little more binding.
  • Why did David do nothing? What should Absalom have done?
  • Is vigilante justice simply necessary sometimes, regardless of what is right and wrong?
  • Kyle Rittenhouse tangent.
  • George Floyd Autopsy.
  • Should vigilantes free the Jan 6 detainees? Reasons why that might be a problem.
  • King John’s anecdote, and forcing authority before rebellion.
  • The difference in “punishment” vigilante justice and “deliverance” vigilante justice.
  • Is there a quality to local vigilante justice not found in the judicial system?
  • Caning in the town square.
  • How dare you escape?
  • A teaser on redress of grievances.
  • Some wonderful parting advice from Dan.

Corrections:

  • 1 Chronicles does not say that the birthright went to Judah. Judah prevailed over his brothers, but the two sons of Joseph received the birthright (1 Chronicles 5:1-2).
  • Clarification: shoplifting less than $950 in California was made a misdemeanor via Proposition 47 in 2014. It was not made nonprosecutable; though, one could argue that it had the same effect since misdemeanors are often not prosecuted. Other states have enacted similar laws.
  • The Rittenhouse corrections (since we pulled it all from memory).
  • The George Floyd autopsy was not released in 2023, it was released in 2020. It does indicate that Floyd’s Cardiopulmonary arrest was (at least in part) due to neck compression.
  • King John was not holed up in a barn, held at sword point while signing the Magna Carta. He was, however, compelled to apply his seal by his very unhappy barons.

Notes and Links:

  • The Declaration of Independence.
  • 2 Samuel 12:7-12 Nathan the prophet tells King David that the sword will not depart from his house.
  • Kenosha Riot Shooting; All Angles Synced Together with Timeline. Also, a narrated video explanation of the indecent released before all the details were known, and footage from the FBI.
  • News media claiming Rittenhouse shot black men. Also a UCLA professor had the same error in one of her books.
  • 1 Corinthians 6:1-8 – Paul rebukes the Corinthian church for going to law before handling things as Christian brothers.
  • Ethan never gets to his third biblical example that was going to contrast the first two. That would be Ehud killing King Eglon.


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 June 9, 2023  1h20m