2 Guys And A Chainsaw

It’s A Wonderful Knife takes the prize as the best Christmas horror movie title of the decade. Too bad the actual movie couldn’t live up to it.

Man, we really REALLY wanted to love this film. The title, the concept, the trailers, the writer, and even some of our favorite horror actors involved (Justin Long!) had us looking forward to settling down to a nice holiday treat for horror fans. But ultimately we felt it was a bit disappointing. Listen and find out why! Merry Christmas to all our loyal listeners. We are thankful you’re around.

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It’s A Wonderful Knife (2023)

Todd: Hello, and welcome to another episode of Two Guys in a Chainsaw. I’m Todd.

Craig: And I’m Craig.

Todd: Merry Christmas, Craig. 

Craig: Merry Christmas, Todd. 

Todd: What a nice year it is. What a great, uneven year for horror movies this month. Ha, ha, ha. We’ve, uh, we’ve had a couple, uh, kinda, uh, ones in the beginning. And then, or last week, I was pretty happy with it.

Even though it was one of those, it’s just so dumb, it was fun movies. Right. This one, I had really high hopes for. We decided to go super modern and choose It’s a Wonderful Knife, which just came out on the streaming services. Did it make it to theaters?

Craig: Yeah, uh, it was in theaters for just, uh, a few weeks maybe, and, and then it released to Shudder and AMC Plus.

Todd: And this has the best title I’ve maybe ever seen.

Craig: I can’t believe, I can’t believe it took somebody this long to come up with that. Right? 

Todd: I know, that’s actually kind of surprising. And just like the classic Frank Capra movie starring Jimmy Stewart, uh, which I’ve, I admit to have only seen once. I don’t have the love affair with it that everybody else does, but I know what it’s about, and I do, I did see it a long, long time ago.

It’s a wonderful life. This kind of cops that. It’s, uh, basically taking a horror angle on the idea of a person who is, uh, just kind of wishes that they were never born, and then, suddenly, they’re magically whisked to an alternate dimension where they were never born, and they see how life had played out without them around.

Except in this case, it’s in the context of a girl who, uh, just killed a murderer or a slasher. Yeah, I really, really was really looking forward to this movie. I sat down, I got cozy and Christmassy, and I, I saw that it had, seemed to have pretty decent reviews. Uh huh. Man, I really wanted to like this movie a lot better than I did.

I was just, I think I just had high expectations for 

Craig: it. Yeah.

I had really high hopes for it too, and I had read good things about it. The reviews on Shudder are really positive and it’s got four out of five stars on Shudder and I was really looking forward to it and I, I was even able to talk Alan into watching it with me. I was like, it’s, it’s a horror comedy.

It’s got good people in it. It’s based on it’s a wonderful life, which confession I’ve never seen. I really don’t have any interest in yeah, 

Todd: honestly, I think the only reason that movie is as popular as it is, if I’m not mistaken, I think it slipped into public domain and that became like one of the one of the television networks.

I mean, we’re talking back in the seventies, eighties or whatever. Would play it and it kind of became a holiday tradition Right 

Craig: and I get that but I missed out on it and I don’t need to join the bandwagon now like no you don’t I know I know what it was about. I’ve seen all the iconic clips You know every time a bell rings an angel gets its wings and the running down the street I’ve seen all the iconic clips, but it’s it’s also long if I remember correctly.

Yeah It’s a 

Todd: bit long. Just not into it. Also, it’s black and white, you know? 

Craig: Black and white doesn’t bother me so much, but, Jimmy Stewart, like, I get it, he was a big star, he kinda gets on my nerves the way he talks. 

Todd: You know what? I think you’re right. He’s either a love it or a hate it kind of person. Like, either he gets on your nerves cause he’s got a one shtick kind of thing.

He’s got that weird Why are you talking to me, it’s just 

Craig: my turn. Hehehehehehe Not into it. 

Todd: Or you’re like me, and I actually really love him, and I will watch a movie just because he’s in it. Because, I don’t know, that doesn’t bother me, I actually kinda, it’s kind of comfort food. For me to watch 

Craig: a Jimmy Stewart movie, I could see how it could be charming.

I could, I understand. It doesn’t work for me, so I’ve never seen it, but I know the premise and I actually do think that this is a very, very clever premise for Yes. A horror movie. It’s, it’s an excellent setup. You know, it’s the same setup as it’s a wonderful life where this person, you know. Feeling gloomy wishes that they had never been born and then they get their wish and then they see what life would be like and I think that there are some clever things going on in the movie too that I want to talk about because I’ll probably forget if I don’t just say it now.

One of the things that I thought was clever was that she also finds out that the fact that she didn’t exist wasn’t so bad for some people. Yes. 

Todd: And I thought that, I thought that 

Craig: was clever. Uh huh. You know, for some people, maybe it would be better if you didn’t exist. Who, who knows? Right. So I thought that was clever, but something about it just fell flat.

Some of the The writing, some of the dialogue, I literally was like, uh, like, oh my, did you really just say that? Oh my God. 

Todd: Well, we just reviewed, um, I mean, this is, this is directed by Tyler McIntyre, who was a writer of five nights at Freddy’s now writing and directing are two different things. But I almost was like, yeah, that tracks what I was watching this.

And the writer, Michael Kennedy, he’s only written a couple other things, um, one 

Craig: in 2020 called Freaky? Yeah. Oh, that’s good. We should do that sometime. That is great. That is a great movie. I loved that movie. I loved it. It looked interesting. 

Todd: I saw the trailer, it 

Craig: looked good. Well, it’s just like, you know, like, as this is a riff on It’s a Wonderful Life, Freaky is a riff on Freaky Friday, except a teenage girl switches bodies with A giant serial killer.

Oh, that is 

Todd: hilarious. It 

Craig: is hilarious. And, oh god, it’s Vince Vaughn. Vince Vaughn is the serial killer. And so for 75 percent of the movie, he’s playing a man who is a teenage girl on the inside. So, Vince Vaughn playing a teenage girl, it’s hilarious. That would be fun. Hilarious. 

Todd: I wish I had seen that. I mean, another high concept movie, it sounds, by the way you describe it, sounds a lot more satisfying 

Craig: than this.

Yeah, you know, the thing is, I want to say right off the bat, I don’t hate this movie, I still think it’s clever, and it’s Got its fun moments. And it’s got good people in it. Yeah. But unfortunately, all of those things just don’t add up to something that’s great. And there are parts about it that I, uh, that really bother me, but we should probably get into it.

Because I took far too many notes. Oh my god. Uh, me too. Why do I do this to myself? Uh, okay, so it opens up with Justin Long. Justin Long! We like Justin Long! Yes! He’s been in lots of horror, well, several that we’ve done. He’s great! Mm hmm. And I was excited to see him. He’s He looks weird. He’s wearing like a flipper.

Like he’s wearing like these weird fake teeth and he’s all spray tan. And that’s because he’s a douche bag. And you find out very early on that he is the villain of the movie, but he’s opening like Some big center, like some big building in his little town of Angel Falls. His name, his last name is Waters.

And it’s gonna be Waters Cove. And, and it opens up with a Yeah, he’s the mayor. And so then we meet Joel McHale’s family. Joel McHale! Joel McHale’s hilarious! Like, right? Like, okay, great! We’ve got good people in this movie. And his name is David. He’s got these kids, Winnie and Jimmy. Jimmy is The popular quarterback in this small town, the second I saw him, I said, that kid’s gay.

Yeah. 

Todd: The gaydar was 

Craig: scared. Not because he was like, flamboyant or anything, I was like, gay. That, that, I turned out like, hey, that, that kid, he’s gay. And you find out immediately that he is, and everybody’s just cool with it, because, 

Clip: in 

Craig: the world of this movie, everybody is gay. I have that in my notes, like in all caps, several times.

Everybody’s gay. Even the people who aren’t gay are gay. Oh, my God. Okay, right. All right. So and I guess Joel McHale and Justin Long are business partners. They want to get this big waters cove, what is it? Is it going to be like a recreation? Is it housing? Yeah, I think 

Todd: it’s just a big development. It’s Trump Tower.

It’s like, yeah, but also like a shopping complex and maybe living space and office space, kind of one of these big things. I got the impression like this giant thing that they build up around like stadiums and things like that. Kind of a shopping mall, eating 

Craig: office. It’s big and flashy and gaudy. We 

Todd: never really even Get to spend any time in 

Craig: it.

No. See it from afar. I mean, it’s not built in this world. No, at this point it’s not built, right? Yeah. Right, okay. And so the last guy that’s holding out is, uh, an old man named Roger Evans. Played by the actor who played the smoking man on The X Files. Oh, I didn’t catch that. Yeah. Oh, I can’t believe you I didn’t even watch The X Files, and I was like, Oh, that’s the smoking man from The X Files.

And I looked it up, and he was. Uh, and his daughter his granddaughter, excuse me, is Karat. Now, his home is like a historical landmark or something, and his family’s been there for generations, and he’s not leaving. Here we go, Roger. 

Clip: Got the pen all ready to go. Let 

Craig: me just twist it. Ready 

Clip: to go 

Craig: for you. 

Todd: Mr.

Evans, we know you’re carrying a lot of debt, and you could 

Clip: use the money, so it, I think it’s a really great 

Todd: idea to sign. 

Clip: You’re a good 

Craig: man, David. But my family’s lived here for generations. My granddaughter will own it next. I’m 

Todd: not signing.

When your dad died a 

Craig: few years ago, Henry, he should have left the business to David. 

Clip: But I’m his 

Craig: son. David was more of a son to him than you ever were. 

Clip: Look, Roger, I know you and your family, you used to be the gold standard around here. Especially Christmas time, you donated those trees year after year.

But that was in the past, because I’m here now. So, I want you to take a look around your town, if you’re able to walk outside on your own. And you will see that I’m the person this town needs to move us on into the 

Craig: future. By kicking them from their storefronts and their homes. The 

Todd: people of 

Craig: this town are its future, Henry.

They want to live, to work and be happy, and that’s it. Your father knew that. 

Todd: Why do you want to take 

Craig: that away from them? And his granddaughter, Kara, and Joel McHale’s daughter, Winnie, are best friends, and they’re going to a party together, and so Mr. Evans is left at home alone, there’s a knock at the door, and he’s like, I told ya, I’m not sellin and he opens the door, and he gets his throat cut in a pretty gory fashion.

Yeah. By The killer, who is completely masked and, and shrouded. And it’s all white, and I read that this was based on the original concept for Ghost Face in Scream. Originally, Ghost Face was supposed to be in all white, and they just at the last minute changed it because they thought black would be scarier.

And I think they’re right. I think they are right, but I do like this 

Todd: design. I like the design of the face, like he’s wearing a mask that is just 

Craig: all It’s kind of like opalescent. Yeah, it’s faceless. Featureless, 

Todd: yeah. Yeah, featureless, but opalescent like you said, so you’re almost wondering if you’re seeing something that’s a little translucent and It doesn’t look like a mask, you know, it looks kind of like an otherworldly figure.

It looks 

Craig: like a, it looks like a fencing mask, except Yeah, 

Todd: and I have to say, like, when I was seeing the posters, and I was watching the trailer for this, and even maybe the first one or two Appearances that this makes. I, I really felt like this was maybe perhaps a supernatural entity, but very, very quickly as you see the way it moves and stuff, you’re kind of realize, oh, it’s definitely not, this is a person in a suit because, you know, they bump into things or they like, you know, oh, yeah.

Like kind of dart around a little too 

Craig: much and Yeah. Yeah. It’s, I mean, it’s just a guy. It also looks a lot like a Marvel character, uh, Moon Knight, I think? Oh, I didn’t know 

Todd: that. Looks a lot like him. I just noticed it seemed to be like, patterned after, referenced by the, the tree topper at the very top of that Christmas tree that they have in town, at Angel Falls.

It’s like an angel, I guess it’s supposed 

Craig: to look like an angel. Well, and they call it the angel. Mm hmm. I don’t that tree topper, I don’t think shows up until things go wonky. Oh, no, it’s there. I I It’s there in the very beginning. 

Todd: Is it? In the beginning? Yeah, the camera swoops down on when the first thing he does is that tree lighting ceremony.

Craig: It’s up there. Okay, well, interesting. Alright, so, then All these teenagers are at a party. The brother, Jimmy, sees a hot guy and immediately goes off and starts making out with him. Super hot. And the friend, Kara, finds some, like, I don’t, she’s upset about something. Yeah, I’m not sure. Her grandfather not, like, her grandfather not selling the house or something.

I’m really not sure. Um, but to ease her worries, she finds some random guy and goes off and starts making out with him. And Winnie is Left behind there’s also another friend Darla who seems I don’t know she’s like the bitch the bitchy one And winning has a boyfriend named Robbie who has no personality at all like you barely see him So when he goes to make out with some guy and they Start making out and she pulls back and she’s like, ew, gross.

What did you eat? And then blood starts coming out of his mouth because he’s been stabbed from behind by a giant candy cane decoration that was by the killer. It was, see, there were moments of this that were really fun. Like this opening kind of slaughter. I like it was cool. 

Todd: It was a little weird that the killer, like, leaps off of what I guess was a boardwalk or something?

That was weird! Yeah! And then goes underneath it, and half of this is like cement and half of it’s planks, I guess, and suddenly the knife starts stabbing up through the wood. Like, I was like, I don’t think this 

can 

Craig: happen. Wait, and why? Like, he was standing right there, he could have just killed her, but instead he decided to jump underneath the pier that they’re on?

It was so 

Todd: bizarre. Yeah, I didn’t get that at all. That’s what I was thinking, is this supernatural, is this guy supernatural? And he’s, I don’t know. You’d have to be pretty frickin supernatural to stab a, uh, I don’t know, it’s only like a four inch knife maybe, through like two by fours. A pier. 

Craig: And, uh, the killer, like, was kinda creepin around the gay dudes, but they just got out of there cause they thought somebody was watching them.

And then, the killer Kills Kara, or whatever her name is, Ka yeah, Kara. Kara, yeah. Brutally. Right in front of everybody. Yeah, and it’s super brutal. Everybody sees and they scream and everybody starts running. Mm hmm. And first, the killer starts chasing Winnie. But she just kind of outsmarts him. Like, she just, she hides and, and he can’t find her.

And then he does find her. And then, Jimmy saves her, and then she and Jimmy, they’re twins by the way, not that it really matters, but They are running away together, and somehow the killer catches them again, and the killer is about to kill Jimmy, like, he’s got him down on the ground, and he’s, like, trying to stab him in the head, and Jimmy’s just barely keeping him off of him.

They’re wrestling 

Todd: that knife between the two of them, 

Craig: basically, yeah. Right. And so then Like, Winnie grabs jumper cables. From where? I don’t know what they’re hooked up to either, like they’re just hooked up to a car battery or something. But she puts them on the killer’s shoulders and it electrocutes and kills him.

Dead. Yeah. And, uh, she takes off the mask, and it’s Justin Long. Mm hmm. And then we cut to a year later, right? 

Todd: This is where we get the title card. I was like, The title 

Craig: card! It was like 15 minutes in! 

Todd: Yeah! So it was like, you know, the killer’s unmasked. You know, in a typical movie, this would be when it’s finished.

I wanna know where those 

Clip: jumper cables came from! I’m just so 

Todd: That bothered me so 

Craig: much. They were like, buy a shed or something. I don’t, I don’t know. But I, see, now I’m talking about it, and I’m like, see, that opening was pretty good. Yeah. I liked it. But then things get weird, because it’s like a year later, and everybody else is like, fine and over it.

Happy. Which upsets. Winnie, she thinks that they, you know, her best friend died. Lots of people died, but, but 

Todd: it’s a little contrived, isn’t it? Like, come on, like the whole town. Now her dad, they’ve got the Carothers family realty. It seems like he’s taken over the business and everybody loves them. Right.

Her dad and his, her brother are in business together and. There’s a juxtaposition. At the beginning of the movie, we saw this commercial with douchebag Justin Long. 

Clip: Do you want the best? From the best? Look no further than Waters Cove, the future shopping, dining, and entertainment destination for a brand new Angel Falls.

My Angel Falls. Hey, you! And remember, there’s only one name that you can trust. Waters Corp. I’m the best. And 

Todd: these guys, like, have their own commercial that’s like, Hey, everything’s great, and the city’s wonderful, and yadda yadda yadda. Everything is better, because that’s what Winnie did, but she is just so distraught by the death of her friend that She’s mad that 

Craig: everybody’s happy?

I have that in my notes, like, she’s gloomy now. Like, and they tell you that with her clothes and her hair and her makeup. Oh yeah. Like, she looks sick. Like, she’s got like black bags under her eyes and her hair’s greasy and stringy and And, this is one of the biggest issues that I have with the movie. Her family are dirtbags.

Like, and I don’t want that. I don’t want her family to be dirtbags. Her mom is just like this waspy, everything is like appearances, and she’s super super fake. Well, and the thing that bothers me the most, I guess this is Christmas, the parents give her a workout sweatsuit and force her to model it for them, and while she’s upstairs, before they give the gifts.

The aunt and the aunt’s wife show up. The aunt is played by Catherine Isabel, who I absolutely love, who is getting older and looks fantastic. And part of the reason she looks so good is because she looks like she’s aging naturally. And I love it. And her wife is played I don’t even have the actress’s name in front of me, but she was the lead in a movie called Influencer, which we didn’t do on the show, but which I wrote a review for on our Patreon page.

And she’s very distinctive. Gorgeous, but she’s very distinctive because she has a really unique birthmark on her face. And I so wish that they had done more with the ants. Right? I like them both and they didn’t really do much of anything with them. 

Todd: Well when we jump forward one of them’s Gone, right? 

Yes.

Craig: Is she there? No, she’s, no, she’s dead. 

Todd: She’s dead. That’s right. 

Craig: She’s one of the We’re getting ahead of ourselves. Sorry, sorry. Okay, so, they, they force her to go put on the sweatsuit and when she comes back downstairs everybody else is gone except for, uh, Aunt Catherine Isabel whose name is Gail Prescott which is an homage to Scream, Gail Weathers and Sidney Prescott.

But the aunt’s like pouring herself a tall glass of whiskey and she’s like, what’s going on? And, It looks, you know, annoyed and she’s like, they bought your brother a truck. So she goes outside and they’ve bought the twin brother this 70, 000 truck and they bought her a sweatshirt and she’s like, what the f k?

And the mom says, we bought you both something that you needed. F k you! Like, why are they so awful? I know. Even her brother who, 

Todd: you know, they Played out early on and they’re keeping this trying to keep this thread throughout the movie that like he was one of the most important People to her is like, oh, don’t worry.

I’ll let you drive it. I didn’t when she storms off angry there’s a beat and then dad just turns home is like It’s, uh, got a 6. 2 liter engine. It’s pretty amazing. And they both geek out over the car. Like, really? Even your brother is completely insensitive to 

Craig: you like this. Right. Your brother whose life you literally saved a year ago?

And 

Todd: look, as I’m watching it, I was like, okay, I’m gonna put this in perspective. I think this movie is a hallmark Christmas movie, but They’re keeping it light, they’re keeping it basic, everything’s a little simplistic, and maybe there’s humor in that, you know? It’s maybe like a parody, you know what I mean, of a Hallmark Christmas movie.

So, I was still kind of going with it here, even though I thought it was ridiculous. I didn’t expect it to be realistic at this point. I thought all these choices were quite bizarre. But I was like, all right, well, maybe this is, this is part of the parody aspect of it. 

Craig: I, yeah, I don’t know. I really didn’t like that choice, but I guess what they’re doing is they’re setting her, she has to be miserable in order to wish that she was never alive.

So she’s already, you know, her family are douchebags. So she goes to a party looking for her boyfriend and she runs into that weird. Girl. Uh huh. What’s that girl’s name? Bernie. I was asking Alan every five minutes, what’s her name? 

Todd: You got Winnie and Jimmy and Bernie. 

Craig: Yeah. 

Todd: She’s, everyone calls her weirdo.

You don’t even hear her name until like half way through. And 

Craig: why? Like, why is she weird? Because she, like, they say that she’s weird because she comes to the parties. Like, then I, then everybody’s weird because you’re all there. I don’t under, like. It’s very unclear. It’s really stupid, and they’re really mean to her for no reason, including the main character.

Mm hmm. So she sees Bernie at the party, and she’s like, Have you seen my boyfriend? And Bernie’s like, He’s outside. Some other girl’s like, No, he’s not. Weird girl’s lying to you. And he’s in the laundry room. So she goes and looks in the laundry room, where her boyfriend is screwing that Darla girl, who’s also her friend.

And they’re both like, Oh, thank God you finally caught us. We’ve been doing this for a year. For a year! Oh my God. They don’t even care. No, they don’t. They’re, no, they’re genuinely relieved. Like, oh, thank god. 

Todd: It was getting hard keeping up the ruse. 

Craig: Yeah, so she leaves and walks out to a pier by herself and stands under the Aurora Borealis.

I don’t have any idea where this is supposed to be. No 

Clip: school. No best friend. No boyfriend. No one cares. It’s like I don’t exist.

Everyone would be better off if I was never born. And the Aurora 

Craig: Borealis light up, really bright, and Fade away. Again. Go totally black. She 

Todd: immediately turns around and those guys, she’d walked by two guys that were just hanging out by the bridge as she got there. And as she turns around, one of those guys who’s hanging out stumbles backwards and turns around and he’s got a knife in his eye.

Yep. She starts to scream and run and that angel is right there and just Yeah, he’s back. She just runs away from him and, um, she breaks a window of a car. And, it’s Buck, who we didn’t mention earlier, but this is, um, Henry Watters, 

Craig: Justin Long’s douchey brother. Yeah, 

Todd: I thought he was his son at first, but he’s his douchey brother.

In the very, in the very first part, in the other dimension, He’s like a, uh, wannabe Instagram influencer or whatever. 

Craig: He has an OnlyFans. Oh, that’s right! That the Gabe brother knows about. That was hilarious. Yeah, that actually was pretty funny. And he, there was a really funny line where he said something like, Did you want to, were you hoping to see my dick for Christmas?

Well, lucky you, cause it won’t fit under the tree.

But he’s a total douchebag. But now He’s the sheriff. And seriously, like, God, I may have had a drink or two while I was watching this movie. And I turned to Alan and I was like, was he a cop before? Like, I couldn’t even keep track of anything, but he wasn’t. And she’s like, oh my God, it was the killer. And I know who it is.

And he’s like, you do? Who is it? And she starts to say, but then Justin Long shows up. But the funny, 

Todd: the funniest thing about this is, she goes, he’s trying to kill me. He’s after me! He was 

Clip: trying to kill me! The angel? What? Yes!

Hey Chuck, I’m gonna need some backup.

Get some more of that chalk that we outlined the people on. Can we get some more of that caution tape? I feel like, I feel like we need to be a little more cautious. Uh, Tripp, can we get a K 9 unit down here? I don’t think it’s gonna help catch him, but it just, it helps the vibes. You know, this looks pretty good.

Todd: He’s Completely like in relaxed mode now and I’m thinking okay So now the town is so corrupt that the sheriff just completely turns a blind eye and it turns out That the angel killer he says. Oh, yeah, the angel strikes every couple of weeks. 

Craig: She’s like, how many people has he killed? He’s like, uh, 26 27 Every couple of weeks.

Yes, and this is clever too because she knows who it is. We know who it is surely buck knows That his brother is the killer. The other, uh, sheriff was killed by the angel killer. She says this later, like, you know, You have, you kill the sheriff and appoint your brother sheriff and now you can do whatever you want and get away with whatever you want.

And that’s what has happened. So, she, when, when he shows up, she denies to Justin Long knowing that it’s him, but she also kind of taunts him just a little bit. I feel like. She says something like, Well, he is about your height. And anyway, then she runs, and she goes home, and she walks in and her mom is wasted, drunk, and doesn’t know her.

Todd: Well, this is so bizarre, this whole, uh 

Craig: This is. She, she runs into the aunt who acts kinda weird, like, maybe she recognizes her, but ultimately not. And she runs up to look for Jimmy, and he’s not in his room, and the aunt says, he’s dead, he got killed by the angel, or whatever. And then she runs into the dad, and He said, she’s like, I’m your daughter.

And he’s like, this is one of the terrible lines. Like he has to say it. So he has to say, no, I had one kid and now I have none. Like, okay, we get it. You don’t need to literally spell it out. So nobody knows who she is. Um, and then she goes walking through towns and it’s like back to the future too, when, you know.

Marty had died and, uh, Biff was now Donald Trump and living in Trump Tower, and the whole world was a wasteland, like, there’s homeless people all over the place. Everybody’s high. That big, right, that big center is built and it’s gaudy and stupid looking and, um, when she goes there, All it’s like it’s it just seems like a bunch of teenagers hanging out.

I don’t really understand. No, I think 

Todd: she didn’t actually go. She sees the development. She climbs over, but she never makes it to the development. She’s back at that house where she had been to that party before her boyfriend’s house. Yeah, because he was like, it’s gonna be a new New Year’s Eve tradition.

And so presumably he’s having the same party again, except this time, right? It’s not so lively. It’s just depressing. And I guess instead of everybody, like, smoking joints, they’re on bongs? Is that the big difference? It’s supposed to be so Or 

Craig: is this just like meth? I don’t know. It looks like a cracked 

Todd: end.

Yeah, that’s true. I don’t know. It’s, it’s just depressing. Bernie’s there still, and she’s awkward 

Craig: and happy for a friend. She’s still desperate for a friend, right? And she, the girl’s like, I feel like I’m dead or invisible, and Bernie’s like, well, you’re not, cause we can see you. And she finds out that Robbie and Darla are still together, and they’re like a power couple, and they don’t know her, and she asks them, are you in love?

And they’re like, yeah, we’ve been in love, we’ve been together for like four years, or something like that. 

Todd: I love When she goes outside, there’s just this guy, I’m not sure if that was the boyfriend of her bro of her brother in the previous one or nah, but he goes like 

Craig: Dude, kick me! Kick me in the junk! I didn’t understand what was happening.

And she’s like, what is going on? And he’s like, can’t you tell he’s beating the shit out of me? But he’s like, all happy about it. I didn’t know if he was like, taking money and letting people beat him up. I had no idea what was going on. I don’t know. But the killer shows up at the party again, and kills the weird stoner neighbor who we’ve seen before and Blood splatter, like from, we’re seeing this from inside the party through a window and like the party goers are oblivious and blood is splattering everywhere and on the window.

So 

Todd: it’s a strong contrast. I mean, it’s sort of like the same thing happening again, but in this case, nobody gives a shit or nobody even notices, right, because it’s just so commonplace. It’s funny because Justin Long earlier, when he first meets up with Winnie, says Oh, we have a witness? We’ve never had a witness before.

I’m thinking, really? Cause this guy killed, killed, what? Killed 27 people. We’re about to see him kill like five more people in a very crowded areas. What? No witnesses? 

Craig: I don’t know. But yeah, the mayor announces on TV, I guess, another murder. And then when he like Adopts Bernie like you’re gonna be my friend now and and they decide together that they’ve got to stop the killer 

Todd: Yeah, she has to convince her because Bernie works at a movie theater.

And so Bernie’s like well, you know Let me take you to my safe place. And you know, this is the only place in town that isn’t owned by You know, Henry Waters, and so, and I have the key, which, that’s convenient. Okay. Yeah, 

Craig: and was it there that we see that she has, like She happens to 

Todd: have, uh, you know, the, uh, investigation board up and The threads connecting, you know, the typical, it seems like Bernie’s been very interested in trying to figure out who the killer is.

Am I right? Is that what I’m 

Craig: what I think? So I don’t remember. What I remember is that there’s like a bunch of like fashion designs around. Um, she’s a designer and she wants to go to NYU, as did Winnie, but we saw that Winnie already got her rejection letter. It doesn’t really matter, whatever. Um, but Winnie tells her the truth about her wish, and Bernie basically says, based on everything that’s happened, I want to believe you.

She’s like, but how do I know if I can believe you? Maybe you’re just a crazy person. Maybe you’re the killer! Uh huh. But then She finds out she’s not because the killer shows up. Oh, that was before they 

Todd: got to the theater, now that I look at my notes. This was Is it? This all happened at the party, yep. 

Craig: Oh, okay.

Well, I don’t I feel like they went somewhere. Maybe they went to They went to the theater, yeah. Maybe they went to somebody’s house. I don’t know, whatever. Oh, I 

Todd: think you’re right, yeah. You’re right. They went to somebody’s 

Craig: maybe her house. Am I jumping ahead? No, I’m not. 

Todd: No, now we’re all caught up. Now we’re now they’re at the theater.

They 

Craig: have their moment. And they fight off the guy. And that makes Bernie believe Winnie, and I couldn’t believe it when they acknowledged that they are aware of It’s a Wonderful Life. Yes, ah. I don’t remember what the character’s names are, but one of them’s like, You’re so and so and I’m your so and 

Todd: so!

Yeah, I’m your Clarence 

Craig: and And I literally was like, What? 

Clip: This is a world 

Craig: in which it’s a wonderful life exists and they’re aware of it and they’re like living it now and they’re aware of that. I, that was, I don’t know why that blew my mind, but it did. 

Todd: It didn’t seem very sophisticated, you know? I don’t know.

I don’t know. It’s God again. It’s like this Hallmark movie where everything’s gotta be very spelled out and laid bare to you. I don’t know why. Maybe because those movies always are shooting for. A wide audience and You know, grandma in the corner who may not, who may need to have the movie explained to her, you know, every now and then.

They kind of like reinforce these things every now and then. I felt it kind of insulting, to be honest with you. The, 

Craig: uh, I don’t know. I think they were trying to be clever. I don’t, it doesn’t really matter. I guess. So, yeah, I know. So they go and look at the Northern Lights again and Bernie’s like, it doesn’t make any sense.

We shouldn’t be able to see them at all, really. Um, and if we could see them at all, they shouldn’t be this bright. But somehow she knows that she knows that she must read it in a book or something. I’m foggy. I don’t know. But she’s like the Northern Lights are the spirit of somebody who died violently.

And they’re angry or something, and so they deduce that the Northern Lights are the spirit of the murderer that she killed at the beginning, and I don’t remember, 

Todd: do you remember? Well, it’s just like, you know, she, she, they’re starting to fade, they’re not usually this bright, and you basically gotta kill him again before it disappears.

That’s where we get, it’s so convoluted and bizarre, I don’t really understand where she gets all this. But I’m like, okay, fine, so somebody’s Okay, whatever. Now we got the time clock. 

Craig: So then they go back to, uh, they go to the theater now and they Did you notice, did you see on the marquee what was playing?

I know what you did last 

Todd: Christmas. Yeah. 

Craig: I didn’t notice that. Alan noticed it and I had to rewind to look at it. It’s that and A Christmas Carol. So they’re watching a private screening of A Christmas Carol and Bernie is asking her weird questions. It’s like, not weird as in like creepy, just like, um, get 

Todd: to know you 

Craig: questions.

Yeah. Did it hurt when you, I don’t know, whatever you did, why are you here? And when he has her feet like up on the seats and she like clicks her heels and wishes, turn things back and nothing happens. And then Bernie says to her, I know we just met, but I know this town. Was better with you in it and then do they kiss 

Todd: their their hands 

Craig: intertwine?

Oh, they hold hands I just have an all caps Everybody’s gay 

Todd: Or at 

Craig: least by we don’t know pretty right and I was talking about and like I said it out loud like Everybody’s gay. It was like not just in this movie in the world Everybody’s gay. I went to a mall Like, I went Christmas shopping this week with my mom, and we were in the mall, and I was just like, Gay.

Gay. 

Clip: Gay. Gay. Everybody’s gay. 

Craig: Oh, it’s such a different world than when we were kids. I mean, I’m all for it. I’m glad. I’m glad. I mean, I’m sure we were always here. I’m just glad everybody’s Out there living their lives. 

Todd: They’re more, they’re more obvious about it now. You know, they don’t feel like they have to hide it.

Yeah, good for, 

Craig: good for you! And it’s great, yeah. Everybody’s gay. Okay, so Then, I guess, oh, this was funny to me too. Such a contrivance. Winnie wakes up in the theater. And, Bernie, like, realizes she woke up and says something like, Hey, I’m up here. I couldn’t sleep at all because you snore so loud. Alan had been saying throughout the whole movie, This girl is driving me crazy.

I hate the way she breathes. I hadn’t noticed it, but apparently this girl’s like a mouth breather. And they make a joke. 

Todd: Winnie Caruthers? The Winnie? 

Craig: Yeah. Oh, I didn’t catch that. I didn’t, I didn’t notice it either, but it had been driving him nuts and they make a joke about her snoring here and this is when, okay.

Oh, okay. So Bernie had researched overnight and that’s when she found out that the lights are the spirit of someone who died the killer. Okay. So she had been doing, apparently she has, she It’s a library of occult stuff up there in the projection 

Clip: booth. 

Todd: Or at least the internet. 

Craig: So Bernie says they have to kill him again.

So there’s this like naughty or nice event. I didn’t know what was. is happening here. They go back to Joel McHale and the aunt. 

Todd: Her house. The aunt. Oh my god. What is the deal with her? I don’t know. 

Craig: Like, I, I love Catherine Isabel so much but I don’t know what’s going on here because Winnie basically tells her the truth and she’s like, I know, I know who you are cause you’re my aunt.

You’re so and so and you do this and blah blah blah. And the aunt’s like, well tell me something that you couldn’t find on Google. And she tells her this dumb story about like a sweaty thong or something. And the aunt’s like, oh yeah, there’s no way you could have known that, so, I believe you. Come 

Todd: on in, and she’s very nonplussed.

I guess, the whole idea is this whole family is just supposed to be, eh, whatever, about everything, maybe, by now? 

Craig: Well, her parents are a mess. Like, the mom is like, making out with a drug dealer. Yes. On the couch, in front of everybody, and doesn’t even care. She goes back up to the dad, and she talks to the dad about Jimmy and football, and The dad cries and says something so stupid and contrived, like, it just goes to show how one person, one life can change everything.

This dad, the death of his son, like, he could give a shit about the daughter. Now, of course, in this movie, Or, at this point in this movie, he doesn’t know that she ever existed. But, like, the sense that I get is he doesn’t give a shit about her, but losing the son broke him. Like, he is a broken man. 

Clip: We need to stop him.

Why did you come here again, huh? Why are you so intent on hurting my family? Dad, 

Todd: he killed Jimmy! Dad. 

Clip: What? You called me dad. No, I, I just I’m not your dad. No, I have no children. 

Todd: You need to get out of the house. Go killed. God damn it The 

Clip: guy that you are accusing of murder right now. He got me this house.

He feeds this family He paid for the burial of my son So get the fuck out of here go 

Craig: Mom’s making out with some loser in the kitchen and then the killer shows up and kills the mom and her boy toy And chases the girls and aunt gail And then, and then, somehow, like they, they trip him, and he falls down, and he’s like, knocked out, and they do this whole stupid scream to thing, like, we’ve gotta, like, step over him, and they make a big deal out of it, and they take forever doing it, and I am yelling at this TV screen, Jump on his head!

Clip: Yes! Like, 

Craig: what 

Todd: are you doing? Take him out! Why are you not taking him out? He just killed two people in front 

Craig: of you. I know! I’m like, jump on his head, grab the knife or something, and, and, and, somebody This scene irritated me. I know it is really irritating. They, because it would have been so, he’s just laying at the foot of the stairs, and they’re acting like it’s a cavern that they have to get over.

No, just step over him. It’s not a big deal. The knife isn’t even in his hand at that point. No, and they take forever, and so by the time the last one is over him, and I think when he goes for the knife, he wakes up. 

Todd: No, she crouches over 

Craig: him. She, uh, takes off his mask, and 

Todd: it’s her dad. It’s her dad! I wasn’t expecting 

Craig: that.

I wasn’t expecting it either, but it didn’t surprise me. 

Todd: No. And she’s like, Dad? And he wakes up and goes, I told you I’m not your dad. Again, I think a lot of this is supposed to be tongue in cheek. As stupid as it gets, I’m thinking, yeah, but maybe it’s intentionally stupid, you know what I mean? Honestly, though, I 

Craig: feel like with us talking about it, it doesn’t sound as stupid as it felt.

Yeah. And I’m not saying that in a good way. Right. Like, folks, like, if you’re hearing this and you’re thinking, oh, that sounds kind of clever, it just falls kind of flat, and I’m not really sure why. Maybe my expectations were too high, too. Could it be the tone? 

Todd: But also, this doesn’t make sense, and it’s gonna make even less sense by the end of the movie.

Craig: Well, and also, like, I feel like somehow the stakes are lower because I don’t, I think I would have felt differently about it if the family had been awesome to begin with, and then we see them in this terrible, horrible state. Oh, right, right. But they were already shitty anyway! Yeah. I don’t care and for whatever reason, oh god it’s so stupid, like the girls, the weird girl Bernie, Winnie, and the aunt are like a posse now.

And the dad, the, Winnie says something stupid like, it’s like he’s not even my dad, his, his eyes look different. And the aunt says, His eyes have looked like that for a year. Oh my god. Come on Waters 

Todd: is controlling her dad. 

Craig: Is that it? Is it like 

Todd: well, they literally say this she’s Posits. Okay. You know what waters is now controlling my dad.

I really need to kill him 

Craig: I’m like Mike what 

Todd: so what happened you think and what the movie I think Expects us to believe because I said nothing else happened or anybody say anything to the contrary by the end of it is that Justin Long’s character, Henry Waters, killed David’s son, which broke David, and that allowed Waters to control him.

Craig: I don’t understand this, because it doesn’t happen immediately now, it’s later, so maybe we should wait until we get to it, but, it seems like, at some point, Waters has the whole town, like, under a spell. Yeah, 

Todd: I guess so. That is what it seems like. But, 

Craig: but, but, how? Why? Like, her not existing made him magic? I don’t under 

Todd: Yeah, right?

I don’t get it. He goes on a killing spree and suddenly everybody turns into zombies? You know? Yeah, I don’t get it. 

Craig: When, when I don’t know. Out of pose? Ugh. For whatever reason, they decide that Because, like, for her to get back, she has to kill her own dad? Yeah. I’m not, I’m not sure I follow that logic. I don’t know.

But, they go back to the theater and they put on the marquee, which I thought was hilarious. Merry Christmas, David, we’re inside. Ha ha ha ha ha! Um, and they try to ambush the person that comes in, but it’s just Robbie and Darla. Why? Why are they there? Oh, they say, like, It’s their tradition. It’s their tradition, okay.

Their first date was there. Oh my god, right. So it’s just them, and then the aunt goes out into the lobby for a second and when she comes back in, she’s all stabbed and bloody and dies and then all the lights go out and we see everything in just camera flash? Yeah, 

Todd: it’s like strobe flashes. What was that?

Did something go on with the electricity or something? I’m not sure. 

Craig: Were those like the emergency lights? I don’t know it just looks like so we’re only seeing we’re only seeing the action in brief Images when this like strobe light comes on, but I think I saw Darla get killed, and I think I saw Robbie get killed too, and then the lights come on, and then Winnie stabs the killer with a broom handle, and it’s her dad, and he’s dead.

So, she goes back to the pier, and she makes the wish, and it doesn’t work. And the Aurora Borealis kind of start freaking out. It starts getting angry. And, yeah, Bernie’s like, uh oh, it’s angry. What?! Oh my gosh. Okay, alright, so then, then there’s What? Okay, here, here’s what I have in my notes and you may have to explain it to me.

Dumb, sad, weirdo, suicide, you matter scene. Because doesn’t Bernie tell her randomly in this moment, like, this was going to be my last Christmas, like, she was gonna kill herself? That’s 

Todd: it. And so now, like, when he says, I wasn’t Clarence, you were. 

Craig: Oh my god. 

Todd: Is this, I don’t know if this was supposed to be some kind of reversal twist.

But it wasn’t, because nothing has changed. No. She still has, is in the same situation, she’s still got to do what she’s supposed to do in the first place. Which was, get Henry Waters, who she knows is the killer, who why didn’t she just, in the very beginning, like, sneak up behind him and stab him? 

Craig: Yeah. You know, like.

And then, so they go into town, and stumble upon this weird scene where everybody is just standing around a stage, like the tree lighting stage, and Waters is up there with his brother. Yeah. Yeah. And, like, doing this whole naughty nice thing, and he’s like, You were naughty. And then he kills his brother?

Yeah. I don’t I don’t remember. In front 

Todd: of everyone. But why? Why does he kill him? You were naughty. I can’t remember. He gives some I don’t know. There’s no clear reason. I mean, I thought to this point, his brother been defending him. I figured his brother knew he was in on it. Yeah, I 

Craig: assumed so too. And this is the weird part where all of this happens in front of a large crowd of people who are entirely unresponsive.

Like you said, it’s just like they’re zombies. They’re just standing there staring. Don’t they even 

Todd: have like contact lenses in? Like, don’t 

Craig: they all have these kind of like There’s something with their eyes. 

Todd: Weird eye thing going on. So they’re all standing dead eyed. I don’t know. And then there’s a dumb showdown.

When he comes running up, and jumps up on stage, and has like an argument with him. In front of 

Craig: everybody. In which it’s revealed that he is Bernie’s dad? What? Oh, I didn’t get that. Uh, I think so. Oh my goodness. I have it in my notes. I don’t know. Maybe I, I 

Todd: don’t know. Well, this guy who had a knife in his hand a minute ago, they should be afraid of him.

He’s a killer. He just stabbed his brother on stage moments ago. And now, why are they fighting with words? Why isn’t this guy just like, I’ve had enough of you? And 

Craig: stab her too. I don’t know and it’s a weird argument, like, It’s another one for the naughty list, dear. 

Clip: So David was just like the rest of these people?

More of your drones? Drones? That’s an ugly thing to say, in front of all these fine people. David needs me. Like they do. The night I broke him, when I took his only son, he saw my true power. And he came to his senses and So will you. Very soon. Well, I guess there’s something you should know. What’s that? We f ing killed him.

Did you really? That’s a shame. You don’t know Angel Falls. What do you think? You think you’re gonna come up here and liberate these people? They desire to be ruled. They need me. The people in this town care about each other. And they know they don’t need you.

What? What are you talking 

Todd: about? The people in this town are 

Craig: dead eyed. And then Bernie hits him and then they both hit him and they’re like beating him. And his lackeys don’t do anything to come in and help. Yeah. I think he says, you just made my naughty list. And then Bernie stabs him. And he’s dead, and the, the trance in the people is broken, and like, their eye’s clear.

Like, seriously, there’s just this one little bi Well, I was gonna say this one bit of magical realism. There’s also the magical realism of her, you know, disappearing from existence, but Right. Other than that, there haven’t been magical elements going on. So I don’t understand how he literally has, like, enchantment powers over everybody.

Yeah. But apparently he did, but there but now the trance is broken. And the Aurora Borealis get really bright, and Winnie says to Bernie, Turns out I was here to help you. I knew that I, last, when we were in like the last 30 minutes of this movie, I was like, I’m not gonna remember this tomorrow.

And I don’t. But, um, she says I was here to help you, and then they kiss, because everybody’s gay. She then wakes up in her house, in her tracksuit. And it’s the same thing from when it’s, it’s a wonderful life when he comes back to his real life and he’s so excited and happy and he’s so happy to see everybody and that’s what she’s doing and she runs downstairs and she loves her shitty family so much.

She 

Todd: forgives them. Uh huh. She runs outside, runs down the street and actually happens to bump into Darla and Robbie or whatever, the boyfriend girl. 

Craig: And they’re in love and she gives them her blessings. She’s like It’s, it’s totally fine, you guys should be together, it’s wonderful. At some point before that, we get confirmation that her family is still shitty, because she tells them that she didn’t get into NYU, and her dad’s like, Oh, thank god, I didn’t want to pay for it anyway.

Like, they’re still shitty! But she’s grateful for them now, and she runs down the street, you know, and she doesn’t do the Merry Christmas movie house or anything like that, but it’s, it’s the same scene, basically, and she gets to Bernie’s house and she knocks on the door and basically tells her, like, She’s like, Don’t kill yourself 

Todd: But she remembers her no, she’s like yes, you remember don’t you and she says 

Craig: I do She does she remembers everything and they kiss and they’re gonna go and Bernie tells she’s like come on weirdo And Bernie’s like don’t ever call me weirdo again And then there are Christmas disco lights and the credits roll.

Todd: I 

Craig: don’t know. Honestly, I, I really wanted to like it more than I did, but I still didn’t hate it. I think maybe my expectations were too high. So, if you go in with lower expectations, maybe you won’t be as disappointed. Yeah, but what a waste. Like, this could have been I know, it is unfortunate. Even just, 

Todd: like, why is there so much weirdness, right?

Just the concept enough can carry this movie, if you just play it through, straight. You know what I mean? Yeah. But it just, they had to, like, all this bizarre stuff with their dad, why? Why did they 

Clip: write her dad in this weird 

Todd: thing, like, it wasn’t twisty and, oh my god, it wasn’t like, you know, when we suddenly found out it was this Revelation that it was just like oh, okay.

Well, that’s weird. Also, I don’t know I did you ever like feel suspense when the killer showed up or the killer was chasing people around? I wasn’t I guess there weren’t a lot of stalking scenes, right? There was just a right killer shows up stab somebody killer shows up stab somebody like before anybody can do anything.

They’re dead 

Craig: Well, and those action pieces were fun like The kills, I thought, and they, they were Some of them were. They were bloody. In the beginning of the movie. Yeah. And I also like Mostly in the beginning. I like the 

Todd: bit in the, um, the theater. I like the, the strobe flashing. Even though I don’t understand why it was strobing, that was cool.

Yeah. But they were two characters that I didn’t give a crap about anyway, so. Yeah. Honestly, nobody. I’m not sure I really cared that 

Craig: anybody died. No, not the people who did. Just kind of rooting for 

Todd: Winnie and Bernie, I 

Craig: guess. Bernie, yeah, right. Ugh, I’m so frustrated they didn’t do more with the ants. Right.

I like both of those actresses. And, God, you get Catherine Isabel in your movie, use her. She’s horror royalty. Yeah, right. Oh my God. 

Todd: Just as long was Kind of fun douchebag dude, but 

Craig: he was chewing up the scenery, but I think that he would he was right to do so Yeah, 

Todd: over the top kind 

Craig: of he was real. Yeah, he was really hamming it up but I think that that was smart and maybe the movie would have been better if more people had Hammed it up come up.

Yeah come up to that level, you know, you’re right 

Todd: If it had been more straight parody, it probably would 

Craig: have flown better. Yeah, go, yeah, go sillier, I think, um, in this case. I don’t know, you know, it feels like a early 2000s slasher, just not a great one. But it’s not bad either, as far as slashers are concerned.

And, it’s very, very Christmassy. 

Todd: Yes. That’s it, 

Craig: Very Christmassy. So, like Put it on while you’re decorating the tree. . Yeah. . It’s 

Todd: not, but that’s your cop out excuse for 

Craig: every lousy movie. But I don’t wanna turn people off of it, I think Give it a shot. Oh no, I, I think the fact that you, the fact that you and I both.

We’re disappointed. I don’t think it bodes well for the quality of the film, but I really hate to turn people off of it because I love Christmas and I love horror movies and I love Christmas horror movies. And this is just about as Christmassy as they get. Well, 

Todd: even if this movie had not had a Christmas theme and had not been this high concept, first of all, eliminate the disappointment of this great idea that I feel was just sort of squandered.

It’s really not notable otherwise, like it’s not notable as a slasher movie. There’s nothing particularly clever or smart or unique or twisty about it, even if it were just a straight slasher. So I feel, I mean, I just, I can’t recommend it. I mean, I think Christmas or not, disappointment in the high concept falling flat or not, it’s just weird, in bizarre, distracting ways that ultimately left me unsatisfied.

So, 

Craig: I can’t really argue with you. I want, I want to defend it. I want to say good things about it. Unfortunately, it’s just, if I’m being entirely honest. I, I don’t know. I didn’t really care for it. Ugh, I hated that. I hate that because, God, now we’ve gone a whole month of Christmas movies and we were ultimately pretty disappointed with all of them.

Yeah. The last one at least was, the one before this, was at least So weird that, like, you kind of have to see it, because it’s just so weird. Uh. If you want to see this movie, I wouldn’t say, Oh no, don’t watch it, it’s that bad. There, there are some funny parts. Sometimes the writing is so bad that you want to roll your eyes, but sometimes that can be amusing too.

Nah. I wouldn’t steer you away from it, but I also wouldn’t. Strongly recommend it either, unfortunately. Should we go out on a positive note? Yes, we 

Todd: shall. 

Craig: Should we hear from Shannon? 

Shannon: Hi, Todd and Craig. This is Shannon from Rhode Island, and I’ve been listening to your podcast for a few years now, and I think at this point I’ve listened to every episode, some of them maybe even twice.

I just wanted to thank you, and I’m glad that we’re able to do this on Patreon. And thanks again, and Happy Halloween. 

Todd: Thank you so much, Shannon. 

Craig: Yeah, thanks, Shannon. That was really nice. Uh, and gosh, you have to have been around for a while to have listened to all the episodes and some of them twice. It I I never forget, but it always just kind of blows my mind that some of these, some of you all, um, have been listening to us and and been with us and supporting us for years.

Yeah. That makes me feel Pretty good. 

Todd: Well, I’d love to take a poll, you know, because there were some people who were really strong listeners for the first few years, because we would hear from them a lot. And then, like, uh, they’ve fallen silent, you know, for, for then another couple years. And then suddenly they’ll, they’ll show up again, you know, and it seems, it turns out they were listening all along.

They just, you know, didn’t have a lot to say, which is totally fine. It would be so interesting to, to know who those people are and, and, and what they’re doing 

Craig: now. Bye. Bye. It’s also, you know, it’s also funny. I, um, I randomly just find out that people that I know listen to the podcast and I didn’t know that.

Like my cousin who is, uh, the head director at, uh, Brooklyn public library. I’m pretty sure that’s what it is. He’s the guy he’s, he’s kind of famous. I’m really proud of him. He’s the guy that started that program. Um, that’s making challenged and banned books, uh, available to all public school. Students all over America, they can check them out from, from their library, I think digital versions of them or whatever.

Very cool. Yeah, he’s gotten a lot of coverage. He, I found out that he listens to it. Oh, wow. I think he’s a really cool guy, and I didn’t know that. And then, somebody at Alan’s work listens to my, to my podcast. It’s, it’s wild. We’re still 

Todd: Eight years later, awestruck at this whole thing. I 

Craig: know! I really, I really am.

And to hear from people like Shannon, that’s, uh, it’s really nice. 

Todd: It really is. Thank you, Shannon. Thank you for your listenership, and thank you for your patronage as well. If you would like to be a patron, you can go to patreon. com slash Chainsaw Podcast. Just five bucks a month, we’ll get you access to some goodies, mini sodes that we do, write ups that we do, lots of chatter behind the scenes.

We take polls as to what movies and what theme months we should do next, all kinds of stuff. Just check it out there. We also give you access to the entire unedited phone call. With all the things that we, uh, and tangents and personal stuff and whatnot that we cut out from the show that goes out to the public.

If you’re interested in that, you can go to it on that place, or you can go to our website, ChainsawPodcast. com, there’s a link there. If you want to leave us a message like Shannon did, a voice message, you don’t have to be a patron, just go to our website. Chainsawpodcast. com and click on the talk to us button and it will pop up right in your browser.

All you have to do with your phone or your laptop Whatever you’re on is record a quick 90 second message And when you’re done it gets sent straight to us and uh, we might play it in an upcoming episode But we definitely listen to all of them Thank you so much, listeners, and merry, merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, whatever holiday you’re celebrating this season, we hope that it’s a good one, and that you stay safe and happy.

Craig: Yes. Merry Christmas, happy holidays. Until next 

Todd: Until next time, I’m Todd.  

Craig: And I’m Craig.

Todd: With Two Guys and a Chainsaw.