First there was Rise and now there is Dawn. In the future, there will be war - though it's not clear if the title of the film that tells that story will actually be called War Of The Planet Of The Apes. We've got our fingers crossed, anyway. Speaking to the director of the sequel, Matt Reeves, the Empire Podcast team get the inside scoop on the making of the film, then spend a good hour talking through the ins-and-outs of it all, from the CGI to the final shot. Banana jokes are kept to an absolute minimum. Promise.