Hardly anybody makes better sense talking about music and technology than Holly Herndon and Mat Dryhurst. Together with Mat and their ensemble, Holly has become renown for her enigmatic music between vocal music and electronica. She collaborates with Mat to create deep and influential discourse around their artistic work. We talk about music and Artificial Intelligence, new protocolls of music making, the potential of blockchain for the industry and Holly & Mat's fascinating biographies between music and technology, analog and digital, Berlin and Silicon Valley. They also share some scary stories about using cutting edge technology live on stage.