The first guest on this week's episode of C-Realm Radio is a local sheep farmer who is passionate about natural dyes. Her name is Nancy Zeller, and her work with pre-industrial methods of creating vibrant, lasting color in fabric has lead her to do a very personal sort of outreach and aid work in Rwanda. Later, KMO talks with Doug Lain about life extension and his new book, Advancing Conversations: Aubrey de Grey: Advocate for an Indefinite Human Lifespan. That conversation will continue in C-Realm Vault Podcast #197. In the second hour of the radio program, KMO re-visited the conversation with Michel Bauwens, Dmytri Kleiner and John Restakis in C-Realm Podcast #392: Manifesting a Material Commons.