Mik + One: The Official Project to Product Podcast by Dr. Mik Kersten

Since publishing best-selling book, Project to Product, technology business leader, Dr. Mik Kersten, has introduced transformative frameworks and ideas for delivering software at scale. He has given numerous standing room only keynotes and presentations worldwide and is an internationally recognized thought-leader. In this podcast, Mik + One, nothing is off the record as Mik sits down with industry-leading guests and delves into how they deliver value and drive digital transformations in their organizations. Tune in for a new episode every two weeks! Subscribe to the Mik + One podcast today so you never miss an episode. Follow Mik on Twitter: @mik_kersten #MikPlusOne www.projecttoproduct.org

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episode 41: Episode 41: Bank of New Zealand on Applying the Flow Metrics at Scale


To kick off the first episode of 2022, Mik is joined by two guests from Bank of New Zealand: Paul Littlefair, Chief Technology Officer, and BMK Lakshminarayanan, Value Stream Architect.

In this episode, Mik, Paul and BMK delve into how Bank of New Zealand has been applying the shift from Project to Product and Flow Metrics, and other key topics including:

  • Insight into how Bank of New Zealand’s transformation journey started, and the goals they first set out to achieve
  • The importance of investing in continuous improvement, and rewarding for improvement and not just output
  • Getting leadership buy-in, and why reporting the developer experience at the board level is crucial to enabling flow and visibility
  • Introducing education around flow at all levels to create continuous learning across the organization, and insight into how Bank of New Zealand has executed this
  • How tenacity, pivoting and starting today has brought a large enterprise organization like Bank of New Zealand on a great trajectory to getting things deployed, and how they’ve adapted their learnings at scale

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For more information about Paul Littlefair and BMK Lakshminarayanan and to view the full list of resources featured in this episode, as well as download the transcript, visit: https://projecttoproduct.org/podcast/bank-of-new-zealand/


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