History of the Papacy Podcast

Episode 117h Hiberno-Norse or Norse-Hibernians?

Description: Today Steve is joined by scholar Annie Humphries to discuss the interaction between the Irish and the new comers to the scene, the Vikings. Annie discusses the who the Vikings/Norse/Scandinavians were, why they came to Ireland and why the terms Viking, Norse and Scandinavian all have their issues describing the people who invaded, maybe conquered, maybe settled Ireland during the 8th to 10th centuries CE/AD.

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•Today I am joined by scholar Annie Humphries to discuss the interaction between the Irish and the new comers to the scene, the Vikings. Annie discusses the who the Vikings/Norse/Scandinavians were, why they came to Ireland and why the terms Viking, Norse and Scandinavian all have their issues describing the people who invaded, maybe conquered, maybe settled Ireland during the 8th to 10th centuries CE/AD. With that, here is the next piece of the mosaic of the history of the Popes of Rome and Christian Church.
[00:00:00] I'd like to welcome our very special guests today. Annie Humphrey, to talk about the Vikings in Ireland and the Viking relationship with British Christianity and Christianity in general, Annie is writing her PhD thesis on the Norse and middle age, Irish literature. They have been given numerous talks on the interaction between the north and Gaelic cultures during the medieval period.
Thank you so much. For coming on to talk about this fascinating topic, Dr. Carly knack McNamara suggested I reach out to talk to you about the role of the north and the history of Ireland and the British Isles and how the North's adopted and adapted and impacted the culture and history of this region.
And I'm really looking forward to talking to you about this fascinating topic, but before we get too far, can you tell us a bit about yourself? Sure. Thank you so much, Steven. So I'm a final year PhD at Trinity college, Dublin under the supervision of Sean Duffy, who's professor of Irish and insular history.
Um, I previously went to, um, university of [00:01:00] Connecticut where I got a master's degree in medieval studies and my undergraduate was Rutgers university in New Jersey where I double majored in history and medieval studies. Also during my time at Rutgers, I went to university college cork and earned a certificate in Irish studies.
And that's really when, um, things kicked off for me in terms of learning Irish language, uh, as well as medieval Irish language, um, and, uh, medieval Irish literature. Um, so. When I was at, uh, the final year of Rutgers, as well as university of Connecticut, I, um, really focused in, on, uh, Icelandic literature. I was interested in the way that the gales, um, Scottish and Irish people were written about in Icelandic settlement and literature.
Um, and so I took a few years out of academia, had a kids, um, Uh, taught a bit at local institutions and then I returned to academia for a PhD and kind of the opposite, the way that the Norse are written about in [00:02:00] Irish, um, sources and specifically I'm using, um, middle Irish dynastic propaganda literature, um, because its historicity has been questioned and rightfully so it is dynastic propaganda.
Plenty of reasons to, to bend, spend to the truth for all kinds of purposes. Um, but the things that it has to say about the Norse and in particular things, it has to say about the north that aren't just, they're terrible, awful people, and we're great for having conquered them. Um, uh, I think reveal really important and interesting ideas about the relationship of the Irish and the Norse, and then the descendants, the Hibernian.
The BI lingual, um, fusion cultures that, that thrived in the Viking settled towns in Ireland. Yeah, that's fascinating. So you're really getting a, you have a view of how the, the Celts and, uh, Irish, their imagination of the, of the north. And then the north says imagination [00:03:00] of the, of the Irish and the gales and the Celts from their perspective.
And so you're kind of seeing it from the whole 360 view. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I am a historian. I am interested in, you know, straight political history. Um, but I think this, this cultural history, this cultural memory is also really worth, um, investigating and talking about the idea of, of what was, what was the mind map of, of a person about this other person in a pre-modern world?
What are some of the frameworks you use? The. I understand that better. Well, um, sometimes it gets right down to data crunching about exactly what names are used, what the etymology of those names are, uh, where they first appear. And then in one context, um, sometimes it actually gets quite scientific, which is, which is funny because you know, my, my PhD friends in stem will, um, set something to run and then manipulate the data artistically to, to tell a [00:04:00] story, um, where that, whereas I'm doing.
Spreadsheets of, of medieval Irish literature. And it's like, wait, how come? How come I'm the humanities? I'm in the easy, easy stuff. It's, it's not. Um, so, so there is some, some, you know, raw data collection and analysis in those ways. Um, other than that, honestly, it's, it's a lot of comparative literature and, um, uh, seeing.
Stories animals tell, um, not that animals themselves are necessarily historically accurate, but they have a different purpose than this dynastic propaganda literature. Um, and then how it compares to things that are meant to be wholly fictional. Um, uh, but then even then the relationship of fiction to two histories is a bit more complicated than we have nowadays.
Um, so, so it's. Uh, fun, interesting human studies. Um, and then I'm, I'm I have the privilege of working with, with these medieval Irish documents. Yeah. That's [00:05:00] fascinating because you're li you're combining art. It's a kind of an art to try and figure this out, but it's also, you're, you're folding in the science of really crunching how the tech analyzing these texts.
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Thank you. I think so. And I think, I think honestly, I think it's a privilege to be at this point in my PhD where I'm, I'm, you know, very tired of my project, but I'm S I'm still, you know, certain that it's, it's producing useful and interesting information, um, about. You know, the small-scale literally what the Irish said about the Norris, but then on the larger scale, how people communicate with and envision each other's outside of modern state systems.[00:06:00]
Okay, so great question. Let's let's get things started now. Pretty much everything I have to say. There'll be one person who could jump up and say, well, actually, so this is going to be a general overview, not for intense rigorous academic analysis, but generally speaking normal. Meaning someone who speaks the Norse language that they themselves called, called Danish.

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