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“Jessica Starling: Porn piracy is a form of digital sexual abuse as well. If someone sends you a nude for your eyes only and you upload it for others to see, even if you paid for it, you have committed digital sexual abuse. If you view that content knowing it wasn’t posted consensually, you have participated in digital sexual abuse. This means that the way many people are used to consuming porn, [viewing pirated content on tube sites or other venues] is not only unethical. It is also a violation. People often get angry when I tell them that. I understand that no one wants to be an abuser, that sounds so terrible. However, the truth is that our culture doesn’t value the consent of women, and especially sex workers. Charlotte Sartre: In public conversations on ethical porn consumption, it’s important for people to consider the sources of the things they’re hearing. That information should come from the people directly involved in creating adult content, not politicians or outside organizations who think sex work and sex trafficking are the same things. Nothing about us without us. Jessica Starling: People outside the industry have little to no understanding of how we actually operate. It’s dumbfounding to think that someone with no experience or knowledge of the basics of the industry could or would attempt to set guidelines for how to run it or consume its products. Imagine that happening in literally any other industry. I’m struggling to think of an example. It would be laughable how much they get wrong — if it wasn’t so dangerous to us. Kate Kennedy: Commentary on the sex industry by people outside of it is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. We have been screaming at the mainstream media to take us seriously, to listen to what we have to say, for decades. But the voices of ignorant do-gooders unceasingly and inevitably drown us out. And now we are drowning [under restrictions]. Mastercard and Visa’s decision to pull services from Pornhub following one op-ed by a middle-aged white male journalist who has made a career of exploiting the vulnerable for his own narratives is unconscionable. Now, I’m forced to take the side of a site that has done nothing but steal from me and my coworkers for years to preserve all of our First Amendment rights. Jessica Starling: Pornhub was hosting millions of videos, non-consensual or pirated, that should never have been uploaded. But the ideology behind the recent actions taken against them promotes the notion that porn can never be ethical. These outside actors’ ultimate goal is the removal of sex from the internet, and the eradication of all sex work by any means necessary. Allie Oops: The people who are going to be hurt the most by this move, [ostensibly meant to improve the ethicality of porn distribution and consumption] will be the most marginalized queer and indie performers, the alternative models and people with non-normative bodies. Charlotte Sartre: Where will the porn industry be hit next? It’s scary.” --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/antonio-myers4/message Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/antonio-myers4/support