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28:35 Another version of me definitely runs marathons, for sure, but this version does 24 hour plays and tries to make a living as a podcaster. So, maybe it makes sense that I love trick shot videos. I haven't always. I've known for a long time of like, you know, dude perfect. The YouTube wizards of sinking seemingly impossible sick basketball shots.
31:06 I wanted to talk to someone about this. A trick shotter, I mean. About the frame of mind they enter when doing their work. What it's like to set up for themselves a challenge they know could take a dozen or more hours to meet. I wanna know what their goals are, what the ideal outcomes for their work as a whole are, and more than anything, to find out what it feels like, what it means to them, how it differs, or maybe doesn't, from darts, long books, golf, boring movies, basketball, other challenges, and other things that one can put skillfully into other things.