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#583 – The Smart Grid with Paul Zawada


This episode is brought to you by Mouser Electronics. This week we hear about Digital Therapeutics. Go to TheAmpHour.com/digitalhealth to learn more.

Welcome, Paul Zawada of Syntonous LLC!

  • Paul was nice enough to respond when we said we were hoping to talk to someone about the grid/smart grid. He is an “operations technology engineer”, which means he straddles the line between the power side and the technology side of things.
  • What are grid operators’ appetite for new tech?
  • SCADA
  • How do blackouts happen?
  • Generation, transmission, distribution
  • i2r losses are why they operate long distance transmission at 765 kV.
  • China’s grid has newer tooling, which allows it to go at higher voltages.
  • You can tell the voltage of transmission lines by “counting the bells”. It’s roughly 15kV per bell and they do odd things to the shapes of insulators to prevent arcing.
  • Video about the Ohio blackous in 2003 we talked about last week
  • Where does control happen for “the grid”?
  • PJM
  • Frequency determines the health of the grid
  • Bike analogy
  • Tesla battery – Hornsdale Power Reserve
  • Moving to a renewable grid has some potential issues
  • Grid has “inertia” due to the spun up generators. They’re working on modeling “Synthetic inertia” for a more renewable grid.
  • “A disturbance in the electromotive force” (I’m sorry Dave, that title was too long)
  • Dave asks why does the voltage go up on his setup?
  • RMS voltage vs Vpp
  • The Power Triangle
  • ELI the ICE man, CIVIL
  • 99% of the time, loads are inductive
  • The role of reactive power in the grid
  • VARs
  • VAR tends to control the voltage
  • Real power determines the frequency
  • Hawaii example of a local grid with a lot of solar (and that’s kind of a problem)
  • Capacitors help to balance the grid when it there are too many inductive loads.
  • “Grid Following inverter” (vs “Grid Forming”)
  • Dynamic inverter
  • 4 quadrant inverter 
  • “Don’t call it imaginary power”
  • IEEE1547
  • have to be able to deal with frequency changes
  • The 50.2 Hz problem
  • Smart Grid
  • California Rule 21
  • Smart meter and Power Line Carrier Standard (PRIME)
  • Communication with meters
  • WISUN
  • COSIM
  • PLC
  • Private LTE
  • Brokers
  • Pool analogy
  • Stability of the grid wasn’t built for two way flow
  • Managing a wide range of inverters is difficult
  • Standard for comms by SunSpec (Smart Inverter Standards)
  • Control systems with SCADA
  • While analyzing hte grid, they use a state estimator (which is a mathematical model of the various sources in a grid system) and then do real time contingency analysis
  • Spinning reserve
  • Rolling blackout is when the grid systematically takes different parts of the grid offline to preserve the overall ability to deliver power.
  • Texas example
  • Dave asked about available power on the grid
  • Steel recycling takes a TON of power.
  • Different wires from generation (in Texas)
  • Community Energy Storage (“Backyard Batteries” w/ Four-Quadrant Inverters)
  • Wind turbine go to DC first (because of variable wind speeds), but are then feed to an inverter
  • Proposed Soo Green HVDC Link [Underground]
  • Grain Belt Express: Proposed Kansas-Missouri-Illinois HVDC Transmission Line
  • Pacific DC Intertie
  • Silicon transformer
  • Paul’s pet peeve is people asking him about “exploding transformers”. It’s almost always a fuse or a cable shorting to ground.
  • Expulsion Fuse Blowing (NSFW Language)
  • Another Expulsion Fuse Blowing
  • DC vs AC arc
  • 250VDC control of relax elements in power plants
  • Air Blast Circuit Breaker
  • “(The grid is) the most complex machine we ‘ve ever built”
  • Consulting and day job AND he is working on a Doctorate of Technology at Purdue. We’re grateful he found time to talk to us as well!
  • Follow Paul on Twitter! @engineerz


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 March 28, 2022  1h45m